Trees and Parks Board - Regular Meeting

Call us meeting the order at 4:30.

Roll call.

Member Linda. Judy here. Secretary Shannon, I'm here. J, all present. All present. Forum established. All right. We'll um look over the Senate agenda of last month's meeting.

Do you have a copy of it? I don't. Okay. any edit approved.

Nobody else. Oh my gosh. I thought everyone else had a copy. No, you really should go online and and take a look at the packet beforehand so that you

I should prepared. Absolutely. All good.

I just need a motion to approve the consent agenda.

All right. Show hands. Motion approved. Is there water somewhere? Yeah, there's some in the refrigerator right here. I'll get you one. I just happen to be the closest.

Yes. Yeah. Also sparkling. Do you want Thank you.

Okay, so council liaison report quite quite lengthy. We'll be out by eight, I'm sure. Um, one is we're going to start announcing this sort of all the time. Y'all probably don't realize, but um there's an election going on and after the election, after the election um we have sort of this fruit basket turnover of committees because committee members are sort of tied loosely to council members. So when the council changes, then everybody gets reappointed, right? So, it's it's basically really simple. And we just need something like like Carrie and Tappy just need something in writing that says I want to stay on or I would like to not stay on, you know. So, so then they've got it in writing that you're going to either continue or you might say I I don't want to be on trees and trees and I want to go to planning and zoning. you know, anything that sort of solidifies that, we need to get from every committee member um you know, before really before December, right? So, we're going to just start bring it to everybody's attention so we get it done in advance because what's happened in the past is that all this happens and then all of a sudden these committees are saying, "Well, we're ready to meet." Well, you can't meet because we don't know who's on the committee,

right? So, so we're trying to we're trying to get past that so that in our October meeting or actually probably the first meeting in November after after the election, you know, we can we can basically say, "Oh, welcome to the city council and by the way, here's your here's your committee members, right?" So, so, so just kind of streamlining that process. It's weird, but it's it's it's a necessary evil. So just if you would if you want to stay on let them know if you don't let them know. Um if anybody um wants to be added they have to complete an application form. And so that's that. So that's one thing. Um in the in the council meeting on Wednesday um Wednesday last um there were a few things that directly impact y'all that the council voted on. So, I just wanted to make sure you had it on your attention. The landscape services, the $6,000 that we had, it's on your agenda, but but basically the council said, "Yeah, knock yourselves out." I mean, we had already picked that up and so got on. So, so that item on your agenda, you can discuss, but um all somebody needs to do, and I don't know whether you want to just appoint somebody or just go go sit down and meet with Jim, but but Jim just needs to know, okay, so so who do I contact to get bids from? So, we knew that it was Jonah. We knew that, you know, what Kelly was interested. There other landscape people that you know of that that have some specialty in native plants or if you have some other ideas that um the staff can reach out to. It's their responsibility to do the reaching out,

get in the get in the bids and then um and then really bring them to y'all and say, "Okay, so who do you want to who do you want us to to hire?" Um y'all say, "Well, I want Fred." And we say, "Okay, well that goes to council." Council says, "Yeah, Fred's great." And and Jim puts together the agreement and we get to work, right? So, does that make make sense? Yeah. So, so anyway, so Jim is just waiting for somebody from your team to sit down and go, "Okay, here's here's who we think would do a good job." Okay.

Um, so that's the landscape services. This was assigned to community relations for you know just thinking about and coming back to the council with but it it impacts parks and that is the thought of a of a regular music in the at the triangle thing. Yeah.

You know so I'm calling it TGIF at the triangle. Um but uh but you know it's you know just the the timing of it you know sort of a a band list of people that we can contact contact to come in do it. We want to do a you know variety of different kinds of music you know for different age groups and different different styles but make it a regular thing. Um I've been wanting to do this for years and finally we're we're getting it together. We don't have the budget for it. We don't have anything else but it will be in one of your parks. So, I just thought, you know, they might might like to know that and might have something to say. But, in fact, Cheryl is um Cheryl is is online. Um, if you want to say anything ever, Cheryl, just raise your hand or text me or something and we'll we'll unmute you. Um, so so that was that was kind of fun. I was excited about that. And then another thing that directly impacts parks is that we brought forward a resolution to create a parkland fund. So the thought is that some something like 3% of unallocated funds. So we get to the end of the year and we've paid all the bills and but there was still this delta here from what was spent and what was budgeted to spend. So, so let's say there's $10,000, you know, that didn't get spent. So, 3% of that, you know, would go to this parkland fund and we just acrew it over the years so that when something came up and say, "Hey, we'd really like to be able to do this really cool thing to this park or to purchase park land, there's some budget for it already that's dedicated to parkland,

parkland, green space, right?" So like acquiring land acquiring or just improving Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So So um you know Lana back at the meeting was talking about spots of land I guess just below you Bill, right? That's that are like weird little weird little cutouts that you know can't really be used for anything. Maybe the taxes haven't been paid on. A little stop off for people who walk you know while walking down the street. Yeah. And because of park in fact

I had said that if I knew that that property could not be sold or built on and you know my neighbor uh Jack said that somebody could build something there. But then other people have said no it wouldn't you know wouldn't meet the city's requirements. Yeah. There's another spot like that over on Champions right behind the the number eight green that just the way it's set up and with our setbacks, you can build a house on it. Yeah.

But it's it's an existing lot, but just the way the golf course comes in and their rules for, you know, they have setback rules as well. And so so there's no way. And the guy just wants to just take it away, you know. So something like that. That's how you'd be, you know, sort of could be a nice. So anyway, that that money is going to acrue over time. I mean, you're not going to have anything to to work with probably for as long as any of y'all are on the committee. Yeah.

But it it was it was kind of a neat thing. So glad to hear that. The other the other thing the last thing that was not this was not out of the council meeting but it was a meeting that we had um with the group that is that is working on the waterwise education programs. So this is the this is the um the watershed association and then um Sawa and Shannon I lost her last name. No, just we were talking about Luc and Sawa and and Zayn, you know, are are focusing on this and they want to take it throughout the valley,

but they look at Wood Creek as a as a great sort of educational testing ground for some of their some of their programming. It's everything, you know, water conservation, native planting,

um, and and all that stuff. what they want to do is a is an educational program um at the triangle at the gazebo um where they would we we've already got a plan for plantings around the um around the gazebo itself. Um, but what they want to do is not only that, but also some other things like, oh, well, if we put a burm here, it'll keep water runoff from going out the triangle and down the road people. So, so anyway, here's things you can do. Here's other things you can do. Here's other things you can do. Well, their best date is November 8th. November 9th is the tree giveaway in the same place. So we said, well, the only way it would work really is if we just said it say it's a educational weekend, a Wood Creek educational weekend, and Water Wise would do Saturday and the tree giveaway would be as planned on Sunday. Um, y'all don't have to do anything on the Waterwise thing. They're going to they're going to apparently manage the whole thing if they can pull it off. And that's not a for sure. But I just wanted to say that that if there is a strong objection to them being there on Saturday and us coming in on Sunday for ours, then then you know that just that needs to get back to them and say no, we we just really really really don't want to. I think it could be interesting and could I don't think it would take I don't think either program would take away from the others. It's just how well they dovetail. Right. So,

so I mean it could be it could be great. Um, and then of course at the Saturday thing we can promote the Sunday thing. Um, so it could could help our attendance at the Sunday thing. So, but it's a it's a different kind of education because they want people to get their gardening gloves on and stick plants in the ground and and move dirt.

Yeah. and then and then talk about talk about water-wise ways to to take care of it. Um how the how the how the water collection works and the irrigation and you know hey you can do this and you can create it irrigation system off the water tank off the pump and and that so that's their that's their educational focus is is you know a little different from ours for the nine. So, so that's not anything you can vote on or or do anything about in in this case. Um, but if it is something that that I mean, if you just don't have any concern about it, then we go from there. If you do, then you know, really, um, at some point we need to get back to them and go, uh, let's not let's not look at the eight.

So, that's that. So, I just wanted to bring that to your attention because I didn't want to to come as a surprise, you know, when they when there on the eth when when y'all are looking, you know, scouting it out on the on the ETH to see where everything's going to go and there's there's an educational program going. So, are they going to do they're they're going to plant around the gazebo on the ETH? Yeah, that's the thought. Okay. So, do we need to have like around the gazebo roofed off so no plants get trampled or Well, we we protect them. Okay. You know, yeah, that's I don't think I don't think Don't do that, though.

Yeah. I don't that's not something like I said I don't want y'all to have to think or or community relations you know to have to go you know because because the the planning and execution is not on is not on the city teams they they would probably work with staff some you know just in terms of getting clearances we're talking about asking Becket our land management guy to come and sort of predig you know just get your get your tools get your big tools and your big guys out there and get things ready and then and then go from there. Yeah, they just did a fresh up, didn't they? At the gazebo.

What kind? Beckett's team like they just put down new mulch or the mulch or I don't know, pulled a bunch of weeds. There was a crew out there. Oh, good. No, I didn't. I did. When I was there for cheer yoga on Monday, Willis Cage was over on on Sunday completely. I mean, and it it didn't snap the plant. I mean, I mean, it was literally completely off and laid down on its side. Um, but Willa didn't seem to be disturbed at all. So, I just picked up the cage and put it back on and a couple of rebars. I got a rock and pounded the rebar deeper into the ground to hold it, but it was it was You had a question, Shannon?

Um, so the the November 8th, is that for the general public? Yeah. Yeah. They would I mean we would we would actually advertise both of them together, you know, we would just say, "Hey, educational weekend. Learn all you ever want to know about and and get a free treat." Um so so we would we would we would co we would work together on on the marketing. I mean, they're they're mostly focused in this case on Wood Creek residents, but you know, just like the tree giveaway, if somebody showed up from out of town, we're not going to throw them out. We give them a treat, but we're not we're not going to toss them.

Question about the experts to give the names to Jim. Uhhuh. Uh is that going to funnel through? Yeah. So, yeah. So that's item number five we're going to be talking about that. Yeah. And so we can we can probably get those names together and whether it's you know Jacob or you know any anybody on the committee said okay I've got I've got the notes from the meeting here are the here's the contact information. Um if we need to dig up some contact information you know we can do that but we can do that when we get to that agenda item.

Yeah. Well, whoever's got the time to come sit down with Jim is fine. I don't think it matters who, but um and we know we've got information on Jonah. Um Jim,

no, Jim. Jim doesn't have any information about anybody or let's just figure he doesn't. Let's just figure he needs the information on anybody he's supposed to contact for bid. And he also needs to know, you know, it's like, well, okay, what's expected, you know, in that, you know, in the contract. I mean, so we want them to, you know, have native plant experience. We want them to be able to selectively weed, um, weed eat, mow, um, mulch, whatever, you know, whatever needs to be done. focusing on native plants in our parks, not exclusively Augusta Park, but in our parks.

Right. So, one one other thing, there's a caveat to all that, too, by the way, is that, you know, we we budgeted $6,000 thinking that some of that $6,000 would be going to planting at the gazebo. It won't have to now. So, so you some of you'll have more of that money to work with. Okay. Yeah, because because the because the my understanding is that you know the the planting up there will be handled differently. So we won't have to we won't have to pay our our native plant specialist to do that.

We may we may pay for the plant but not for for the service labor type thing. Okay. If that makes sense. Okay. All right. I yield the floor, Mr. All right. Uh we'll move on to item number one. Uh we're going to discuss and take possible action regarding the beautifification of the rainwater tank by the the gazebo at the triangle park. Well, I agree that the nification would be good because I think the the bear metal is something that you

when you look that way, you can't help but see and but and in my opinion, I think that it should be painted just so that it with some shade of green that kind of blends in with the greenery and everything in the park. and with you could possibly then central something on it like welcome to Wood Creek please feel free to use our parks or you're welcome to use our parks or something like that.

So just um let me let me jump in too because this this particular item was sent both to y'all and to the to the mayor's subcommittee on the arts whatever. So both groups are saying, "Okay, from a from an artist perspective, what do you think? From a parks perspective, what do you think?" And then and then bring those thoughts back to the council and let them decide what what they want to do. And I can let me fill you in on what the arts group

said because there was a there was a there was a lot of discussion about, you know, just leave it the way it is. That's it's supposed to draw attention to itself because it's an educational program. It's part of an educational program. So you wanted to draw attention. So but then there was you know people in that group that were no it's that doesn't make it any more attractive just it's still educational. Is there something we can do in between? What what they decided on between them was um more of a a natural thing. So the what they their their top choice and what they're submitting to council is to essentially wrap it in cedar um you know the where you've got the the cedar kind of the cedar fencing but it's it's wired together so they're like butting up to each other. I mean just straight cedar post like this all the way around and it's flexible and just sort of wrap I mean still see the top you know but it would just like like sort of break up you know as a lot of the galvanized steel so that was one thing I mean I had also said just

do plantings you know just get you know tall enough plantings that it it kind of kind of covers it up but painting was also discussed so that is an option the one thing they said is no blue bunnets No, no, yeah. No murals, no nothing, you know, but there was, you know, say, well, if you, you know, if you paint it, you got to maintain it. Yeah. Um, so, so there was, you know, there was that. So, anyway, so that was, that's just, that's the feedback from them. The art people look at everything as can just, you know, it was interesting because the artists, well, they're all artists except for me. Um and and it's just I was sort of expecting Yeah. You see?

Yeah. And they're like, "No." And then the I guess really I guess it Danny sort of said what you were saying, but you know, just just something neutral, you know, just to to tone down the

the galvanized steel. So So there was that, but um but the consensus was, okay, well, let's keep it a natural look and just sort of cover it up. Oh, I I've been staring at it a lot, too. And I agree with Bill. I think a nice small screen would look good there. And, you know, repainting big deal to me, but I don't know how our I don't know how our feelings about it or ideas about it.

Your ideas are important. So, if if y'all agree on an on an approach and you move to, you know, suggest to the council that it be painted a mossy green, right? Um, that goes to the council along with the art group and they go, "We don't like either one of those ideas. We want a mural with blue on it, you know." Oh, yeah. So, so um so, so remember it's just like you know the city council can shoot down anything or they can expand on anything, right? So, um

but they want to know your opinion awesome wood compared to paint. Is that a factor? it is a factor because because we don't really have have anything specifically budgeted for beautifying the tank. Um so you know the cedar wrap that's fencing you know so so but it's not but it's not like it's not like fence like out here on the side. So I think the expense would be you know relative I mean reasonable but you know a few gallons of paint that's couple hundred bucks plus labor you know so

and I think I I don't have the visual on ste I've got a oh I can I can find it y'all y'all up amongst yourselves. That's just for me to be focus

when people drive by we say oh look what a beautiful place to sit under the tree or the gazebo not work thing and so to me its tummy down. I don't care which color. I like brown or I can go with the brown that top showing unless you painted it. If the wrap ground is just the size or did they almost the picture in my mind is almost like a tiki that's what I was think

it'd be interesting for sure. Uh, cool. But maybe I don't have a good visual. I mean, so I think it's a good looking galvanized tank. It's not like a one of those fiberglass tanks or poly tanks. Okay. There's there's cedar stave.

Yeah. Staves. Um, so in my opinion, I I don't think anything needs to be done with it. if anything was done with it, a small little wood creek just to let people know where they're at. Uh other than that, I mean, it doesn't need anything. Maybe some plantings around it, but nothing real tall to try to hide it because it's a good looking tank. I mean, and the the shiny like as bright as it is, it's that's going to dull down over the next couple years. It's going to get um lychans on it and dirt like a patina on it. So, it won't be as bright in the next couple years. It's brand new. Um,

and I think we've all seen the the galvanized tank at Wimberly City Hall uh is painted and I just had I don't think it looks that great, but that's just my own opinion. I mean, the blue bonnets, right? uh for pretty no like landscape mural or like I said if anything just have it say Wood Creek at the most and not even that big. I mean maybe in the center off um facing Bro or or Wood Creek.

I think the silver just takes away from it. That's just my opinion. Silver away from I agree. I don't like to see the burst of steel to be honest that are going to be planted around all natives. Um, you know, they're going to try to do some, you know, some perennials, get some color. Um, so obviously it's got to be deer resistant, drought resistant. So, we're not sure exactly what they've got, you know, planned for that, but but that was Right. the butterfly attack.

Right. Exactly. Exactly. Pollinator stuff. And as far as as far as like if there were plantings around the gaze, we didn't really talk about plantings around not the gazebo, but around the the tank. Um, but you know, same kind of thing. It have to we certainly want it to be native and and easy to take care of. So, I'm sorry. Were they are they planting around the gazebo or gazebo? Okay. Gazebo. Gazebo. They may do some they may do something down the walkway, you know, just to to break up that concrete, but but you know, I don't we haven't seen their plans yet.

And they're actually doing that on the 8th. They would like to. that was their that was their ideal date, you know, for what they're trying to what they're trying to do and to work within their time frame.

Well, one thought concerning the park area, if we discuss and change locations of the tree away to the community gardens, which is something that we're going to present, then that would highlight two parks that weekend. So I don't I don't think they're being there willffect us unless people ching on the plant they'll be very small. I don't think I don't you know it's like you know we'd have to keep kids off of it but

um I always like the idea of murals. I I love murals and I love seeing all the murals around town. So I'm mural Um, and but I I also like the idea of I like stage big sage green person, you know, I don't know the difference. I could totally get on board with the sage green water system, but then I think something on top of that just to kind of give it a little bit more flare. Doesn't have to be big and it doesn't have to be. Um I I like that I like really just beautiful cursed body

but small it might be the daddy on the water tower. Have you seen the t-shirt for Wood Creek Parks? Yeah, the one that Chris made. Yeah, that's kind of a neat design. It's it's just it's just it's a silhouette of a of an oak. Um and then and then stylized little creek area and it just says Wood Creek Parks. It's a very nice I was going to suggest trees because you know trees on it but if there's just like a hint of a tree. Is that what you're saying? Like at the outline of a tree.

Yeah. silver of a tree silhouette. Okay. I like that. I think you'd like the design. So, uh, can I make a suggestion if we write wrote down five ideas and we can have Jeff take them back? No, just one. Just just one idea that we vote on, right? I mean, if y'all if y'all say, "Okay, we're we're completely torn between these two ideas. We want to send them both and let the council decide." Fine. Because they're going to have two ideas no matter what. They've got they've got one from the arts group that they have to,

you know, that they're going to weigh and they're going to have something from y'all that they're going to weigh. Oh, okay. And then and then they may decide on one of those or none of those. Okay. Okay. Um, so need a motion? Uh, not yet. I mean, let's agree on what we what we want to present. I think so far, right?

I like the idea of So, if we did the So, if we did the back, so if we did the whole thing in a sage screen, like that. What how do you feel about stage three? You know, like that. I I don't know. But that's it's okay. The majority rules here. Okay. Um with the outline of the tree and creek similar to the t-shirts.

Yeah. I'll just say I mean in that case it's like painted a sage green and then and then bring in the Wood Creek Parks logo. or we go with completely different color. What I mean if we had like a lighter color um and then add that that could really pop on a lighter color versus sage green. So we did like I wish you could see his shirt but we can't find it nowhere. Wow. There's probably pictures

on the wood Facebook. What? What happens after I don't even know what that is. I don't know. It's still my computer. Oh, it's not. No. Who does that? I I think we states

uh going to a subcommittee. Once this was approved, we go into subcommittee to find uh muralists and just like we're doing with the um park maintenance. It'd be the same process. We find three muralists and

cheap on, you know, if it if it was a volunteer situation, I I think um that would be no questions asked. They're allowed to do that as long as it's approved by council. Uh but if we're paying them, then we need to put out put out an RFP and um submit bids. At least that's how I' I've run into just like we got to do paint the background of the shirt kind of palish blue and then I think the tree is kind of darkish green.

Okay. Well, mine there they did it on several different background colors. Monica's Monica's I think is is blue. Mine is more of a beige. I mean a a soft, you know, tan like like Bill Schorts basically and the and the logo is in green like a dark green shirts. Is this something new or something? None of us have seen it. go on without a student.

So, do you like that idea or just No, like if it was like a No, I'm just I'm just You don't want to paint it at all? I I really don't. That's I would just like to see a paint. I I appreciate the arts and I support the arts. In fact, I've got one of the boots. One of the wor boots. Really? Yeah. One of the big ones. Yeah. Wow. A retired boot. Huh? Is it a retired? There it is. They don't They don't find it anymore. Oh, yeah. Sure. Oh, she said,

but Oh, I see. But you know to appreciate the bar

when we have an activity there just blend in back. Well, yeah, background is the background the background color choice is important. But anyway, my my idea is just, hey, do what you can to make believe it's not there. We, you know, we appreciate the trees and the the new plants and everything out the park when we go there. And when we have a function there, well, we bring in things for the function. And so, we're not paying attention to the particularly in my opinion to the uh

people that I kind of like the main thing is for it to blend in and not take away from the beginning. Could we just vote to paint it and then see what that looks like and then break it up adding up another time? But it has to go to the council to to we have to have one for the artist and one for trees and products. So I would think we would have to then

So just for what it's worth, I mean the the discussion back and forth within the arts group was very similar except there was wine involved. So we don't get that option, do we? No,

when does council want a decision on this? Um, I mean, we could bring it to the August 8th meeting. I mean, we could it could go to the October October. It could go to the second October meeting. Chris said they're ready to go. Chris, they're I mean, council's ready to hear from y'all. Yeah. Yeah. The question is the logo or not? because we all agree to good.

Well, you can say that we you can say first of all, we think painting is the way to go. Second is as far as decoration, our first choice would have the Wood Creek parts with them. I mean, so you could you could do that. So, here's some options. We're allowed to make more than one motion item for What do you have in mind? I agree. You can make You can make more than one. Okay. Notion, but you know, one motion couldn't override the other. So, you make one motion with more than one thought in it. Okay. I see.

Um, well, are we have we come to a conclusion or a vote? I think Well, would you like to hear the motion? I could try. Um, I'm making a motion that the uh tank and the gazebo part be painted uh mile green sage green is what we're thinking about with the option of adding the parks logo that is now on the t-shirts. I think most people there on council would know that right? I think so. that logo

or we could present and it may also be that the owner of the Wood Creek Parks logo says Nope. Not at But I think it's I think it's Chris. I think it is. I think I think Grummer designed it in the first place. Well, he gets a vote against it.

Well, actually this may because because you know he he didn't want to paint at all. He didn't think it should be painted. He said so said this sort of anti-artic you know to just decorate something right so anyway that's that's his you know he's got his masters and I don't know I mean he knows his whatever that's his opinion it wasn't shared by everybody on the committee but if you say well yeah let's go ahead and paint it subtly and add your logo to it he might go okay well I need to take his first consideration into well consideration Um, it's anti-art. What you How did you word that? It's anti-art. Well, no, just that this, you know, decorating just for the sake of decorating.

Exactly. He he doesn't he didn't, you know, he spoke against that, but he he also said, Yeah. I I if if we have to do something, I don't mind putting the cedar staves around. Oh, interesting. Well, I mean, decorating by making it fold in or to the environment or to the natural look of it. To me, that's not decorating. That's just it's just an opinion. True. But if you put the logo in in smaller level letters designed by Chris Brunner,

there we go. That'll do it. Anyway, was the motion. Did you get a second on the motion? I'll second.

Show of hands. Four to one. You're an A. I'm an A. Okay.

But the A's have it. Okay.

All right. Uh moving on to item number two, we're going to discuss and take appropriate action on moving forward with new tree planting at Brook Meadow. So this item was previously approved uh by city council. So what we can do is we can discuss what species of tree um we would like to have there, but there's no further action aside from that. Um, so in my professional opinion, I'd like to see um some kind of external growth pattern, something with uh that grows upright, not like our live oaks that like to whisk out with a wide um canopy diameter. So things that do well around here, obviously native um would with that type of growth pattern would be um cedar, chinkapin oat, burr oat, uh Mexican white oat um and pecan if I mean it it's getting close to a riparian area. It is up on the top of a small hill at the bottom of a larger hill if you look at the area. Um as well as sycamore um

uh so I think that's what six trees that uh have an exurrent a more exurren growth pattern that would do well in that area. I like sycamores. Sycamores are interesting. Really neat trees. Um, it's a fast growing tree. It is a fast growing tree. Yeah. How does it do in planting a tree in a hole in the middle of the road? Which ones have the best chance of survival?

Probably your cedar elm or one of your hosts. um just because of available water uh compacted soil um available nutrients. So th those are things that we should that definitely should be considered. Um so that being said, I mean your your elms or your oaks would do better there. pictures of the the place.

And I did have one concern of something that needs to be done. It's the back. I think this is his body. But there's a beautiful little wooden sign that says wildflower something is on it. And it's You got You got it mixed up. That's That's a That's the a This is the what? Well, so that's not the planting spot we're talking about. If you go about a hundred yards further down the road into Brook Meadow, uh, if you're going that direction, basically the corner of Shady Grove, uh, yeah, Shady Grove and Brook Meadow. Yeah. Okay. So, it's not the entrance. It's not the entrance. No, ma'am. Well,

it's close. So, who is responsible for these? I've been taking care of it myself. Yeah, you got the growth is excellent supposed to be. But it looks like to me there's a lot of trees missing there. Several stumps. Not in there. There's not. Not down this tree yet. Yeah. No, there's no stumps in there. Believe me, there's there's a couple of rocks for me. This is only flowers. Mhm. And it's all pollinators. It's all it's it's designated as a pollinator garden. So, um

Yes. Yes. I I I'm a big fan of cedar elms. Um they they're fast growers. They're amazing shade trees. They're deciduous. So, um, during the winter time when you're looking for that warmth, uh, it's defoliated and so if you're walking the streets, you'll get the rays of of sunlight beating down on you like we need. Okay. They sure aren't tough because since we lost all of our the elms are things. plants that they were kind of

Yeah, we've got a lot of elms in our yard and they grow they grow tall, very tall and um and I mean they're not trees. They produce a lot of shade. They also produce a lot of little tiny leaves. They're hard to little tiny leaves, but we're wood creek leaf creek. Yeah. Do what? for the is there any kind of is it a food source or um or anything that's true I'm just asking no egg farms you know so diff of birds will nest in different species of trees

uh for example the golden sheep warbler uh nests in heritage size ash juniper and just those they have to be roughly 20 20 to 30 feet tall really. Um I know I knew they nested in in juniper. I didn't know that they had to be 20 or 30. I didn't know they had to be big ones. They have to be They got to be big ones. Um interesting. So, um yeah. Uh different birds will nest in different they'll look for species of trees to nest in. Uh I don't know specifically what nests in uh cedar.

Okay. It is a host plant for certain bird. Which one? The cedar elves as a food source for their larva. It's a host plant. It's a plant that provides certain habitat. So that would be a good choice. The leaves of the elm are used as food for the developing caterpillars of oyster butterflies. And it somewhere we're just talking one tree, right?

We're just talking one tree. I mean, I do have other spots picked out around town, but I think we should start with one. And this this is warm enough. Uh so are we are we trying to pick the type of tree? Yes sir. The same in each of these places. Yes sir. I mean one specific. Wow. Yeah. In this case one one tree and one spot.

Yeah. In this case, you're looking for a tree in that spot. And then to be able to say staff, um, you know, put a cedar or whatever in that spot, you know, contract with the land management or arborist and make that happen. Yep. Cuz there's budget for it. There's approval for it. It's just like, okay, well, what do you want us to do? So, y'all are telling what you want them to do. Do we already know who is going to do the planting? Are you doing that yourself? No, I assume it'd be the city arborist. Uh we we hired we love trees. Yeah. Yeah. A couple years ago. Yeah. And it could be it could be our land management company under the supervision of the city arborist. Yeah.

Because there's going to be some tough digging to get through the old old roof structure. That's remember we we budgeted like $2,000 and put 1,500 of it to the to the digging and only 500 to the tree. So now now Jacob might be able to help him find a source for a good tree. I I definitely can't I mean I look forward to helping them. Yeah. And you could you know you could you could be the you know sort of supervisory person on the committee you know to make sure it happened according to y'all's wishes. Right. So

okay. Um well I mean I love seeks. I I've plant a lot of them. Um, with that being said, I like to get something a little more exotic in there like a burrow. I think a burrow or or a moderate oak would also do well there. Um, beautiful. Oh. Oh, yeah. They're beautiful. Um, great looking trees. I love birds. Birds are the one with the big acorns. The big acorns. Big acorns. They're gonna it's gonna be dropping acorns, right? I don't know. That's

that could be a potential distance, right? In the middle of the road. It could be Yeah, but they're awesome. I love those. They are sweet. Um they're beautiful. You make a good point with the acorns, though. So, I think we should 86. What about a Monteray of some kind? Uh, little little acorns. But would any acorns at all be a nuisance? So maybe we don't go with oats at all. Well, they or obviously pecan. They are walking and they roll. Uhhuh. That's true.

Yeah, that's true. Are you sure? I don't. I know. I know. It is still on the table. Okay. How about Sigmore? Uh, Sigmore. You know, they have those little I call them itchy bombs. If you get them all on your skin, they're really itchy. But so that's their fruit. Um maybe that would be the same as an acorn. They're not as hard. Um they you step on them and they just spray. Um, they're fuzzy. So, he wouldn't slipping. He would not be splitting like he would on I don't think he would.

Um, a sycamore would not like it. How do you know? I think it I think it would do okay thrive. I like to see a little a little bit closer to water, but um we could definitely seek out a more drop drought tolerant variety of sycamore. Um I know a couple people that have uh modified

sycamores, Mexican sycamores. So, right now we're we're in between Cedar Elm and Sycamore. We have any any other contenders? Any suggestions? I'm going to stick a bur in my yard. I got one for you. I got I got one. No, I got one that was one of the giveaways at the first day. I think has a Is it a Is it a burrow? I think it is. You could tell me. That'd be awesome. It's still a baby. It hasn't It hasn't produced acorns, so Oh, okay.

I can't tell you from that. I have an oak that I'm going to put in to replace the one you took out. Cool. Yeah. Just a little further away from the house. Further on um the bur still get into problems, right? No, this is in my yard. We're not We basically we basically nixed the burrow. Yeah, I think that was a a good judgment call. Um Sycamore I really like as well.

Yeah. I say cedar number two option. We can't get cedar ale. I like diversity. I mean, we have a lot of cedar all around here. Obviously, we have a lot of light oak. Uh the sycamore is all like on the creek bed. Yeah. More of a riparian. Yeah. And then and then over by the dam, you know, and and actually across the low water crossing there are several second war. cuz they like the water. They like the water. Uh, and that's what I was saying is we're not If you keep going down, you you hit a draw right there. That's where Hog Creek is.

Hog Creek. Yeah. So, it's not too far from that. Um, I feel like it would do okay there. Thrive. Maybe that's not the right terminology, but with a with a good planting, accessible groundwater, nutrients. Um, and we'll throw water on it, too, with uh water bags or or some sort of supplemental water. Yeah, we've got the water tank right there. Yeah. So bringing I mean we're already talking about putting a a tank on the mule so that we can load it up from the rain barrels. Perfect.

And then and then take it to water where it needs to be needs to grow. That'd be perfect. I mean I I don't see any reason after establishment that that that sycamore would not do well um in that area. And if it doesn't pluck it up and put it in a serum. Yeah, exactly. They always have cedar in them. Always have cedar in them. Um, so I don't think we need mo. Yeah, you do. We do need a motion.

You need appropriate action. So the action would be to direct staff to work with the tree board to secure a sycamore uh appropriate sycamore tree and um place it in the tree planting area. Okay. Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to direct uh staff to acquire a Mexican sycamore for the tree planting at Brook Meadow in Shady Grove. Second,

show hands. The eyes have all item number three. We're going to go into a workshop. Uh it is 5:33. Um so our workshop we're going to discuss the November tree giveaway, but do we have any updates? Yes, I have some updates.

All right, let's do that. Cherald Mills and I have met and Shannon one day on with Lauren from Aqua, Texas. So, um these are the things we need to discuss. Number one, the location. Now, we realize that we did vote on having it at the Triangle Park. That was before we talked with Cheryl and talked about the benefits possibly having another park primarily to focus emphasis on the community part or gardens uh which would showcase that. It also has the commercial water system that has been built there that could be discussed and how catch rainwater containment and But also make um we could showcase the renovations here for city hall possibly um have restrooms available if that was available or possible. So those were the ideas about changing it and considering community gardens rather than the rest. So

good parking really good.

Got parking. And then Cheryl mentioned that we could their tents. Believe she has some tents and maybe we have a tent and set that up with chairs and have some decorations and then it would highlight the raised beds that we have available. We can also tell about that program and rent. But now I did notice when I drove in and parked today there's a lot of debris, old signs and things just laying on the ground. But it's right the storage shed. So that doesn't look really good, but we can put something in front of that screen or something. I can move this.

Anyway, so that is one item. Do you want me to just go through all the items? Oh, yes, please. Yeah.

So that so the location is the first. The second is the educational component. We need to decide if we want one focus or two focuses. one, we do want it to be on water, using rainwater, catching rain water, maintaining, getting water barrels or something that the local homeowner could do rather than spending a great amount of money on some sort of big commercial thing. So, that is one of the focus. We have several options for speakers that have committed um where they would come in and show us how to actually set up the rain barrel, how to maintain it, how to utilize it to water the beds. So that is one item. A second focus if we wanted to do water the first hour, the second hour do a demonstration of the oak uh cutting. Several people had questions about how to properly prune their oak trees and so we thought we'd have a demonstration of that. Maybe work with we love trees since they are on this and let them do a demonstration on that. Um the water focus um Shannon has spoke with the contractor company that I believe it's Harvest Rain

that actually install our water tanks in Wood Creek and they only do commercial tanks and whole house water

services but they are willing Aaron is willing to come and talk about water in rainwater. And on the other hand, Warren and I had found rainies and they are a small group of master gardeners who go around and help people establish their barrels and how to use them and how to make use of water with and without gutters. And they are willing to come and they they do not charge at all. They're nonprofit. They're called Rain Beads the Ees. They're from Camel County. I first contacted our county agent and we actually did not have one anymore in Haste County. So, they directed me to come

and these Mr. Um Stephen Granger is the master gardener that's in charge of all the rain barrel installations. So we could have one speaker or we could have two talking about two different things. My thoughts on that are um you want to make it a topic that the local homeowner feels like they could do like a rain barrel. Maybe start small rain. So, my thoughts are that the rainies might be a better choice. However, Channy, you want to say something about Erin? She taught with Aaron. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, Erin was really excited um to be a part of our tree giveaway. Um she was going, she is, I think, in the process of of doing an outline, although I was supposed to. check back with her this week. I have not yet. Um, and so she was gonna she was going to have a portion of the speaking engagement to address uh rain barrels. She is uh you know there's their company is uh familiar on you know they're going to be burst on on smaller rain barrels collecting with and without gutters. And then she also was to present um you know information and even do a demon you know just talk about the rain barrel or the sister as I think is what they call them uh that we have up at Augusta. So, it's like, you know, giving the homeowner some uh choices there, some options. You know, if you want to go with a smaller 50gallon

uh rain barrel, you know, if that's what you can do, awesome. Um on up to, you know, whole, you know, your entire home uh uh you know, if you have rain water running through your entire home. So, um because that is, you know, what they do. Um and They've done all of our It made sense to me. Although that that um you know, maybe we can have Raines do the smaller barrels but also have harvest rain. um there because they can speak to directly to what we have installed in our arts and if you know both do so they have some choices they have some options so they can see you know what's doable for them and then she also was going to do a component for children so it wasn't I'm not you know super clear on any of what she has going on just yet but wanted to include children as well because she said her son's absolutely fascinated by rainwater collection. So

she had which has to say about that. So I think follow up with her if we so choose you know if we want to just go with rain be um fantastic. If we want to do uh if we want to do harvest rain, fantastic. If you want to combine them, great. I kind of, you know, just if I can chime in on that. I mean, just from personal perspective, I love the idea of so because I've got all the rain barrels around my down spouts all around the house, but now I'm like, you know, yes,

might want to go bigger and and just I want I might I might be ready to graduate and I just don't even know the questions to ask. I see no reason that we couldn't have really truly not. No, no, no. I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't.

I I love all the ideas. I think that would be a great thing. I'm sorry. Excuse me. I think with the rainies well with with Eron I doubt that she's ever installed one but she can have knowledge about the bigger things whereas the rain they actually are going to install these things. Yeah. So I do have both with everybody time 30 30 minutes 30 45 minutes. Would that be too much for both of them or for each of them? 30 minutes for one of them is going to be plenty. I think uh more than

I mean 15 minutes max for a presentation. You give them 15, they'll go 20 anyway. So yeah, answering questions. I hope so. And then you could do questions and answers to to both of them. Just sort of have kind of a little panel. Was that it? Yeah, she wanted she definitely wanted to Q&A. Yeah, for sure. Okay.

Um well, another thing we had discussed Aqua Texas would pay. It could cost anything for the speaker to come, but these cannot they don't not accept anything and we didn't know about I don't Erin did not mention um any sort of u cost for coming out to say that there isn't one but it's that wasn't it hasn't been discussed yet had raised her hand too I went ahead and unmuted her she's on the she's on the call

hey guys hello I just wanted to chime in really quick I love Um the idea of having on both air and I don't know um I like the idea of the concept of having the harvest ring guys there to talk about like full home water like usage or if you're going to use you know install a more than a 100 or 50 gallon barrel right um and then I know Judy mentioned the rainies and they do a lot of stuff um one of the things that Lauren had mentioned is um they do like a really great presentation when it comes to um was it wicking gardening the demo the wicking gardening demo Judy

I believe that yes yeah so if they both wanted to come and maybe it's like they're both doing a presentation and we can kind of split them off and give them up to 30 minutes which would be probably more than enough time to do their presentation but what to focus on how to use your water tanks for like in-house full house. Um, usage versus, you know, uh, the rainies could talk more about like how to use it for your gardening needs or how to use it for your outdoor watering needs. Um,

so it's not they're obviously talking about the same thing, but they're not just repetitive or talking about the same thing, if that makes sense. So if we have two of the water speakers, would that lead time for the oak pruning or would we want to consider that at all? Do you think that's too much? Should we focus on one item or should we have to focus?

I like the idea of just focusing on the water because we also have we have stuff to raffle off as well, right Cheryl? We're gonna be right.

Yeah. So, it's a two-hour event is what we have slated right now. and Aqua has um they offered to basically pay for several of the raffle items. Um I will say just one thing as far as just why the the demo as far as the tree trimming demo would be appropriate for the November event is just that is the time you can trim your trees. So if we didn't do it with them this year, we would want to wait and do that with them next year. um if we decided to just do harvest rain and have them come in and do their presentation and do the um the the child activity or whatever that was. Um and partner with We Love Trees to do a tree trimming. I would say let's save the rain bees and actually have it more of a garden event where we can have them out to the garden and really kind of showcase it on its own that way. Um, and if that is what you guys decide, then it wouldn't matter if it was at, you know, we would there would be no discussion about moving it to city hall versus having it at the triangle like you guys initially voted. Um, because there's the same water barrel there. There's the same water tank there that's at the community garden. Well, I think with the rainies having it close to the garden would be great as far as having the beds and I think that would be what they primarily would be doing probably with water for gardens

possibly. For what it is worth, I mean, if if if you wanted to have focus on like the the oak wilt care because it is I mean, it is a good time. I mean, people people that's the last chance they've got to work on their oaks, you know, before we shut it down. And also, we'd be announcing the tree limb pickup. So, do all your work and then we're going to come by and get the tree. we're going to pick out the tree limbs in late January or whenever. Um, so you could do it you could do it so you sort of like as breakouts. So you could have like three stations where each one is talking then you know you got your 20 25 minutes and then hey okay go over and and learn about tree you know and if you want to learn more about it you'd stay on that one for two and if you want you know really interested in you know setting it up for your house you go over to you know um Harvest Rain for a little bit longer. So, so you could have triple education stations as an option. And then

and I will

I'll add to I don't know I don't think based on our conversations as far as what Judy and Shann and I have talked about I don't think anybody has reached out to we love trees yet to even see if they're able or interested um to do the November 9th date. So that would be another thing if if somebody wanted to reach out to them and even check their availability and interest and then by the next meeting we still have time to kind of square away these details. So by your next meeting you could either be like that's not even an option anymore. Um or uh decide if you wanted to have three different or do the two and do a separate event for the garden. And we, you know, the the rainies, it's a short event and people are coming and going. So, if you guys remember from last year, um, everybody kind of trickled in, grabbed their tree, and just kind of hung out. But again, the whole point, you know, the reason why we're talking about education is because we didn't have that last year. Um, and Aqua wants to, you know, help us bring that to life, if you will. anybody interested in reaching out. Okay. All right. The next thing would be in consideration of trees. So, we have two possibilities. We have Jacob's trees, which would run about $500. Yeah, we could talk bad, but didn't you get a better price or

um so yeah, I I can get a better price, but there's like a little bit of labor involved. We would have to obtain uh containers and um a little bit of soil to plant these because they come in liners, which are about that size diameter the root ball is. So, we'd have to put those in the pots.

We would get the same $100. We would get 133 trees. So, we could tone that down a little bit and then use some money to get some pots. Um, and then soil's readily available. There's mulch right over there. Oh, just we'd have to have a volunteer day to plant all the or plant all these trees and then would we even be able to give away roughly 100 or 75 to 100 trees at one time. Uh our other option was a nonprofit and that's what uh Aquitex was requiring.

I have something to say about that. So, we first with the tree, what's the name of the tree folks? Uh, and so she had trouble getting in touch with them. I finally got in touch with them. And they only have the bare rooted tree, which would be what probably what you're talking about. That would be the only thing they had available. And they just really weren't really interested very much. I don't to me. Not really what they do.

No. So I finally after a lot of searching I found the West Texas Nursery with uh Texas&M I believe this their affiliate but anyway they have um you can get 10 trees for $60 and they will be one year old saplings in individual pots but they call tubes. Yes. Okay, Chip, just keep going. Scroll on down to the bottom. And I I think there's Oh, there's a camera on. Just keep going. Okay, right there. Oh, interesting. Those

10 for $60. He said they can ship them by FedEx on Wednesday and they would arrive by Friday. So, we don't have to keep them until Sunday. He said that probably even need any water. But um they are um they call them tubes and it looked like it was about 3.3 in deep and 2 in wide. I tried to compare them to a 4 inch pot, but they're they're going they're small, but they're about 12 to 24 in tall. So they are much younger tree than what we gave out last year. But

this would be for $300 would be we can get our 50 trees for $300. And um all of the all of these if it says that they are available, we can get the saplings for all of these. And I looked to see which ones were native. And um I believe they had the bur oak, the shoe oak. Am I saying that right, Jacob? Yes.

Ash, ball cypress, and desert willow. Those were the native trees for this area. In fact, I Google what was native for the Hill Country and those were the the ones they were committed. But that's our other choice and and they're part of the Texas Forest Service. Uhhuh. I think it's Texas. But then I got a note from Nor and they are actually willing to pay to cover the cost of the trees even We buy through Jacobs. Okay. Who is that? So, this is the uh author's house.

They all land $300 for these little trees or 500 for Jacob's trees, but we had to do all the work on that. Uh that's just one of the sources. I was looking at quantity. So, for $500, we could get over a hundred trees. Um, I still have the same resource that we used last year, uh, down in the lower San Antonio area. Uh, those were gosh, what were they? $5 a piece. Um, 10.

Was it cheap? Five or 10? I'm drawing a blank right now. I think it was 10. Was it 10? I think it was 10. Yes, I had 10. Okay. So, I still have that resource as well. And those came in containers. Those they were relatively tall, right? Yeah, they were. I mean, they were I think they were a good size pot in five gallon. So, I mean, maybe one gallon. I think they were one gallon. Okay. I still have that resource as well. Um,

I'd be afraid. I mean, so we had we put 25 out there. Those went really fast, so we put 25 more out there and those weren't all taken. So, you know, 50 to 75 is probably the magic number.

I would say 50. But I think we went home with a handful maybe. Um, but we also I think this was one of the things we talked about like we haven't heard from anybody that took a tree home to see what those how those trees are doing. So I think instead of just blowing our budget on the trees, just I would stay since we didn't give away a full 50 last year, let's stick with 50 unless obvious you guys you guys decide. That would be my suggestion. Um, and then doing it in two waves again, just releasing 25 and doing kind of that same process and then another 25 just to kind of break up the time that way if um what we noticed with the first round last year, a lot of people didn't see that initial post or that initial email, right? And then the trees went really quickly. I think they were gone within maybe three hours of Taffy sending out that email. Um and so it was another week or so before we got or maybe a couple of weeks before we got approval to get another 25 and then we released those and those went just as quickly but um my suggestion would be sticking with 50.

Yeah. What you can do as a what you can do as a committee when you come out a workshop, you know, if you want is to say, you know, purchase, you know, not to exceed 75 trees and you could put in an order for 50 and then go back to the well for 25 if you had a good if you had good good results from the initial mail out for people to sign. So just not to exceed. So that's that's just it. So purchase always say purchase a combination of trees from such and such um not to exceed 75 total trees. So if you just get 50, you're fine.

But if you say 50 and then you say you need 75, then you just cut the budget and but you always sort of shoot high and then settle that. Cheryl knows that's how you come in with an under your budget all the time. This is true. This is true. She was talking about the tree getaway. Cheryl, the only form I had was for the second round. I did not get your first round. You What was that, Judy? I Oh, concerning claiming the saplings

the I did not get the original email that was sent out as the beginning of the first 25. I only have the one for the second 25. So, okay. I have the form to send to people. We've got that.

Yeah, I created that with Taffy. So, it was just one form and so we'll just need to make a copy of it and then update it as if the event has not happened. Um because basically we had that one form and then we updated it as we added more trees. So I can just make a copy of it or I can sit with Taffy and uh make a copy of it and then if we want to just release the 25 like we can go through that same process um and I can just pretty quickly go in and just make a copy and update it and then just reshare it with Taffy um or any of you. Taffy would handle all the ordering trees then that way that she'd take care of that. So um and then uh the type of trees we need to make a decision on what we would want and I told you about the ones from the Texas nursery that are available. So now we would have to get those in bundles of 10 either 10 of the Texas ash and 10 of another kind of 10 of like that come in bundles of 10 if we do that or whatever with Jacobs. Um these little trees and saplings would be labeled already. So we would not have to label them. And um that anything else on that Cheryl on the back? Um,

yeah, I did want to mention I didn't I don't think this has been um mentioned yet, but when we met with Lauren uh this last time and what she was suggesting that they would sponsor in addition to the trees um so up to $500 for trees um up to $100 for food and beverage for the event. So, we would need to decide what you want to serve since it's 3 to five. if you want just water and sparkling water and cookies, whatever, whatever you guys want. But we have up to $100 that they will reimburse um the city for. And then they also um she did not mention this in this in the last email, but this is what we talked about on the call. So Judy, we'll need to hard confirm that this was still included. But she also said that she was going to purchase um if we give away 50 trees, 50 gator bags to include with the tree. Um and then also rain gauges, not only to give away with the tree, but also just to have on their table. Um and then I have noted up to $200 in raffle items. Um, initially when we proposed the full sponsorship of the event, we said up to $1,000. So that $200 just kind of leaves the um a rough balance as we discussed. Okay. As well as the two rain barrels.

Yes. And then the rain barrels. Yeah. Perfect. So, so Aqua Texas is really going all out to sponsor this as far as the trees and the food and the giveaways. And then we we also and Judy, maybe you already mentioned this too, but they they really just want they're just trying to be a good not necessarily neighbor, but um trying to build community with us. So they don't necessarily need any kind of time slot for any kind of presentation or speaking. Um Benton I think is his name.

Venton. Benton. Yeah. Yes. So Benton. Um Lauren is actually getting married that weekend. So she will not be there. So he will be on site. Um and if we wanted him to get up and speak or introduce or any kind of airtime, if you will, he'd be willing to do that. But I think it just really depends on the programming. Jeff is all, you know, mayor has always been our MC for any event. So if you guys decide you want him to step up and talk, otherwise we'll just kind of make note that the event is sponsored by them, but they're not necessarily there to have any kind I don't want to say that they're not there to have a discussion, but

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, they're really just they're really just saving us money and uh paying for the event for us, which is really nice. And then Cheryl mentioned that with she would be glad to help with the advertise like newsletters, email blast, things like that. I guess that your committee, Cheryl, or just you on that?

Yes. So, yeah. So, we'll work with you guys and we'll work with Taffy to get um put together a flyer um put together something for the newsletter and then an email blast and then you know I'm happy to share it across any of my socials and next door and the community Facebook pages and as any event um I just if you see it I'll also send it in an email to everybody so or I'll send it to one of you and then you guys can disperse it within the board. But if you have any um any preference on ways to share, whether it's sending it via text to your neighbors and friends or an email to your neighbors and friends or on your own social platforms just to get the word out there.

And then my other thought was we would need to think about what we would need like tables or tents if we do have it here garden. So that basically those are the items that think about

decide to location where we're going to get our trees, the type of trees, the food discussion, any questions. I am not clear on the uh Aqua is paying for the trees regardless now of where they're coming from nonprofit. It could be Jacob West Texas00.

Yes. Yes, sir. Up to um not to exceed 75 trees total. is what we're suggesting. Um, but yeah, Aqua's got 500 in trees, 100 in beverages, uh, 200 in raffle items, two rain barrels, rain gauges, and 50 gator bags to go with trees. Did I miss anything that a put on the table?

It's a little unclear to me. She said updated budget for 50 trees by source nursery 300 maybe West Texas Jacob 500. Okay. So that's a little unclear. I think there's just some confusion there on their part.

Well, I think we told that's why we told her the truth cost $300 from West Texas. We had a lot of 500 we were going to have to pay for them, but we didn't know they would be buying our trees when we started all this. We thought our trees

and and she it was a lot of issue with whether or not it was nonprofit. She thought we would be able to purchase some purchase from nonprofits. Uh but tree folks were they are not available. So then the nursery is really not nonprofit but they are advertising arbor day on their website. So showing how she was able to convince whoever that was good and then they decided well truth would work too. They just truth. Okay.

So, I guess we just have to decide. We'll decide outside the workshop. Uh we're just in discussion right now. If you can get the same quality tree last year in the buckets, the one gallon, I mean, those were wonderful compared to a little bitty container like this. But if you can't get that then of course I think the West Texas would be a good choice or because they are already ready to go. You wouldn't have to p them to them like

and they can get here within the day to the event. Last year, you remember you had to store those trees in your garage or wherever nursery. So, that would not be necessary this year if we went through Texas, right? Uh any options any any of those options are are fine by me. Uh but we'll we'll make a decision uh after workshop. Uh is there anything else we want to discuss while we're in the workshop?

Well, the food Cheryl and I discussed it with Lauren since it's late in the afternoon. Obviously, we're not serving lunch like we saw and so we were thinking just something really white like water and cookie tray maybe something like that. Not huge meals of food. So maybe a a sharpenery board.

Yeah, I do have to keep it within the budget. Now she said that would pay up to $100 for snacks. Well, if it goes over that as our budget and they supplement with 100, then so if you wanted to you wanted to spice it up on if you wanted to add more than $100 worth, you could do that because you've got a budget for this project. Okay. So, what are your thoughts about how much food should you provide?

Paper foods. I mean, nothing, no food truck, nothing extravagant. Um, our cheapest wine. I kind of like the L, you know, those little salmon bits and cookies. I missed that part. We went straight to the pools.

I wanted to I really got to keep an eye on them. Okay. Um, and another question was, should they buy the food and try to bring it here or would one of us be to go select the foods at HV or whoever? That's better. Huh? Which is better? Better. It's better to just get it and get reimbured for because we know what we want, you know,

and then I guess Jim would just build them or send a receiver. All right. So, who would like food for you? Who like to do that? Of course, if you needed coolers for water or you can call them some of us. Yeah. And ice need ice. Um, what normally do you give that little plates, finger foods? Do you have a plate? Have plastic tens, napkins.

We got some stuff at home. We have a tub uh in the shed. We have a tub that has a bunch of paper plates and napkins in it and from Arbor Day. Is that in our storage shed? Yeah, we just have to see what's in there and if it's enough and supplement what we need to supplement. Anything else, Jeff from past events?

Now, Cheryl, did you were you on the line when we were talking about the the water wise thing? Um, I kind of caught the last end of that. Um, that they were maybe doing something the day before or something. They came they came to us with a with a a work workshop concept that is good because it's you know it not only makes improvements on Triangle Park um with natives but there's an educational component to it as well and and some interactivity and the people would be actually working with the natives and and doing so it's a it's it's a they're trying to take these educational programs throughout the but their focus is on Wood Creek because we're a pretty good test area. Um, but their best date was November 8th. And I said, "Well, we've got the tree giveaway November 9th." And they said, "Well, they don't have to cancel each other out. They could be it could be a weekend of education on water and natives and and whatever with the water wise people on Saturday and the tree giveaway on Sunday. So, that was that was what it was. But if it if that actually comes to pass then we would be doing some joint marketing you know just to tell people you know come come Saturday and you know come back Sunday and get your tree and learn more. So but they are they are separate in that you know trees and parks nor community relations is expected to manage or or run the water-wise. They're going to do that themselves. I I think that sounds great if they don't need any anything from us.

So anyway, I just wanted to put that in your ear since you were talking about doing uh doing the marketing on the trigger one while we're still in workshop. So those were the only items checked that I can think of unless I see anyone else other things. Um the only other things are um I mean we're not we're not going to have vendors, right? We're not we understand here. So we don't want to overshadow our spring events. Yeah. Yeah. Way too much.

So without that, um, that's all I can think of at the moment.

No questions. No additional. So do you know what you're when you come out of workshop, do you have an idea of what motions you want to bring? Yes. Okay. Uh we are exiting the workshop at 6:15. Shannon, I wanted to just say something about the uh uh uh he and uh their Oh yeah, the trees and if that's even I mean if we're is that necessary if we're I think that'd be awesome. I mean they have a good variety. Yeah, I think you mentioned fruit trees, right?

I was thinking that. Yeah, I was thinking of asking for fruit trees. Good idea. And then I was also going to I just don't want to have too many trees on hand and then we're not able to Well, if you got lots of little saplings, but then you've got some nicer, bigger trees for king feed. Those are attractive. Those are attractive um raffles. That's what I was thinking. That was the idea. And then I was going to um email Matt um over at Wly Gardens as well to see. Do we want that many trees coming in? Is that good? I think we can get rid of them for sure.

Well, the worst thing can happen is we don't and then we've got trees that we can plant around our parks which all right. So, um I'll see what women can I say one thing.

Yes. Sorry. I love that too. And I was when you mentioned that in the email, I was also thinking just like plant the seed if you will. Um that now we're not just or you're not just the tree board like it's the trees and parks. So if Wimberly Gardens or King Feed did not necessarily just want to donate a tree since we are giving away 50 to 75 trees already like any other native plants that would be great that are drought resistant. deer resistant that would be water um drought friendly anything that would be a great addition to someone's yard, right? Um

I that would be my my thoughts because that's it's great to have them and if they don't donate for this one, we always have April Arbor Day um that we can ask again. But awesome Matt for some just some native plants. Is that what you're saying? I Matt at Wimberly Gardens

at Wimberly. Yeah. I mean, I would say why not? Yeah. I just because it's it is the tree giveaway and I know we're giving away trees and since we already have so many, but we're also trees and parks board now and it's it's you could give away anything that would be drought resistant. You're like anything that would survive in our neighborhood. Um, anything that would survive these deer? If everyone else thinks that's a good idea, that's just my two. No, I like it. Okay. How do we do the raffle? So, everybody gets tickets. Everybody gets tickets.

And they just do the drawing after each present to win tickets. So last year we had a 10 by10 table where it was kind of like the check-in table where if you as a resident signed up for a tree, you came and saw us at that table and we kind of checked your name off. Um the other thing that we made everybody or we didn't make them, but we asked everybody to sign was that that they would use recycled water to water their tree. Um, so whenever they come up and check in for their tree, we can give them a raffle. Um, give them raffle tickets or you guys could give them raffle tickets to enter into those raffles, too. And is it one item per person? That was

totally up to you guys if you you got to be present to win. That's the only thing I would hard say is you have to be present to win just so you're not holding on to trees and trying to arrange pickup. Um what we did last year also when we did the registration form to sign up for the trees we did say that the trees any unclaimed trees by the last half hour of the event. Um so let's say by 4:30 they would be released and walk up guests could take them, residents could take them. Um that way again you weren't trying to coordinate an afterevent pickup or anything like that unless unless you guys want to do that.

So do we know what we're Okay. So we're going to come out of our workshop and then we need to have some action items at 620. 6 Did you mark it down?

Okay. All right. Um discussing take action on the November tree giveaway. Um we have a couple couple items going on here. Where the trees are going to come from. Uh potential change in location. Um what else we got? the purpose whether it be Oh yes,

water catchment and tree pruning or just one or the other? I think we've already discussed I mean water catchment is going to be our main focus. Do we want to add um a secondary um yes educational item? Yes. So Cheryl had some good points about it. the me time to and then we have the tree when there's a tree pick up or tree land pick up starting at the beginning of the year. So we just kind of Yeah. Good timing.

Good timing and you'll reach out to trees if what is our second option if they are not available. It's got rigger.

So that'd be great. Um just and Cheryl seem to think over here we have plenty of trees that we could practice on if we needed to or demonstr a practice component. Come come trend the city tree. You want to know how to know how to do it. Like for Shannon, she said that she had no idea where to cut, how which way to turn and cut. So I'm It always stresses me out. I'm like, if what if I cut it wrong? What's that going to do to the tree? I stress the tree. Absolutely.

I'll be stressed out if the tree is stressed. Um Okay. Um, we put all this into one motion. You can put it all in one motion. Just try to keep it concise. Cuz Shannon's got to write about it.

Yeah. Um, so our second major thing was location. Do we want to consider changing location from our original location at the Triangle Park? Uh the benefits would be trees around to demonstrate on uh a bigger rain harvesting system. A community garden to potentially uh demonstrate using collected rain water to water a garden. Uh, am I missing anything? Any any cons?

Um, facilities. Restroom facilities. We have restroom facilities. Yeah. Um, and then we even thought about if it was necessary, we could use this room for one of the speakers. I don't we didn't know if we would need that. You would have it available to you. Would it be available? Of course. Okay. But it's a Sunday afternoon. No, no reason you're sitting this. I promise I will not call at a special meeting. We are going to be utilizing a lot of the outside area with our tents and our So what about that?

So congested. No, that's what I'm there's more parking here than there are at any of the parks. Okay. So that wouldn't be an issue. How would that get to our parking lots if we're set up? We we have to we'd have to set up so that it so that you don't take away all the parking. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And people can get through, you know, that's that's just logistics. Well, I like it the here because we do want to highlight all our parks. We did the busted part or we need we've done triangle and and like so many people have no idea this even exists. starts

and Cheryl and them. They've done a lot of work. Yeah, it's really something. It' be a good excuse to clean up that area back there, too. Hit some of those little signs and stuff. Yeah, we got Sean working. Did you just make a motion to change location? Well, we're no motion has been made yet. We're going to combine all this into one motion.

That the focus or we're going to have the two focuses water. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. and treatment. Uh so other things that we discussed um speakers we have Aaron from Rain Harvest and Stephen from Rain Bees um are our two potential species and both community both are for no good or not. So do we want to have do we want to have both different perspectives.

My Yeah, my understanding is commercial residential. And we talked about the fact that, you know, a lot of people think, oh no, I'm not gonna spend big money for tanks. That they would start like Jeff with one rain barrel and then he's got three or four more 10 rain barrels and then maybe this would give everybody an option. Wouldn't just be the four,000, right? So I say yes. and Jeff could wrap off some of the You're gonna upgrade, right?

Talking about it. Um, so one thing that was not fully understood is is Aaron gonna charge for her presentation. I don't think so. I almost feel like, you know, we purchase these sisters from their company. Correct. If she charges, just say, "Well, come on. We don't have a budget for speaker. [Music] I can't imagine. Or two. Well, two from them. Two from them. And we're getting another It'll be three. Oh,

attached to the back. It's off the back of the bathroom. See that they would charge us for coming out. They're already purchasing from them. If they do, they're fired. Yeah. And I need to be verification on it. Oh, 100 bucks. Yeah. Um, the tree source.

The tree source. How do y'all feel? What's y'all's uh guided direction? I like the idea of the West Texas nursery. I like the idea that you got the supplier last if the West Texas really are just little. That's what they are. Little little and they said that's a year old. I mean 18 to 24 in is okay.

Um the the picture look way little way smaller than it 18 in. Yeah. Maybe this is they're two sizes. A 40 C and a 10cc. So we would be getting a 40 C. Okay. I'm not sure what those pictures what these look like.

Seeings measure about 12 to 18, but then I saw somewhere up to 24 in. But they're only a year old. Okay. Definitely a small. However, I've also read where the smaller the tree, the more likely it is to live, too. So,

they're they're hardy. I mean, they have longer periods to to get established. Um, go through harder conditions. They're resilient. Smaller ones. Um, I'm fine with West Texas. I'm fine with my resources. Um it's unfortunate we didn't have any luck with tree folks. I reached out to Ben as well and just I I don't have any answers. Um well, she kept saying to me, the lady I reach well for groups like yours,

this is what we have to and I kept saying, well then we you know we're nice trees to give away. We have we buy them. But she just that was her statement. So why do you negotiate in his size and everything? But when I called Cameron over to West Texas, oh, he was just thrilled, you know, to to think about us walking his his little I really enjoy talking with him. But I'm okay. So they are small.

Do you think people would be disappointed when we say we're giving them a tree? Is that Will that be a huge disappointment? Lots of possibilities. Yeah. I mean, we're making a huge deal over a tree. So, you want a little bit more maybe to show for it. People like showy fall things. Well, the ones that we gave away last year were fine. Were great.

Yeah. I mean, it's like I don't know why we would make any effort to to do. I mean, it's like if they were if they were the same basic deal for, you know, less money, you know, yeah, absolutely. But it's like I mean, it's they're not the same deal, you know. So, we might spend a little bit more money, but they're just a more attractive, right? You know, thing to take home. I mean, is it's they just well established. They haven't been they're not all greenhouse grown and you stick them in the ground and they Yeah. Well, I think the only reason we were not going to consider Jacob Street that we thought we were going to keep it up,

right? But now is saying that that changes the whole It might be interesting though on the West Texas trees to, you know, at some point order up sample. That's what I'm curious about is I mean I just see I mean, okay, ship us ship us 10 trees and let's see what those look like. Just I don't know. Oh, I don't know what their minimum order would be, but is it 10? We get 10 trees. Well, 10 for $60 or uh 25 for 100. Oh, okay. So, say they're different sizes. If you get the little 10 cc, you get 25 for 100. 10 cc's.

It's interesting. They're measuring work with CC. So, I had to try to figure out I figured it'd be like a little 4 inch pot that you buy at the store. So, it's pretty, but we we could ask them to we could buy 10 trees, but we'd have to buy these 10, but they don't ship. But would they ship them right right away or you Yeah, you could ship them at any time. This is just trying to work it around our event. So we

and I did not want to try to another thing with TR folks. It was bare rooted in bundles. So you had to pull them apart. Okay. A cup is 8 ounces. So, um, that's like 240 cc's. Well, that's or Okay, four cc's. I see. Half a pump would be 120 cc's and this would be a half of that.

So, that'd be like like a a prescription bottle. [Music] I don't know. Yeah, I think everybody has something big. Yeah, it's hard to imagine that would be a minimum of 18 in tall. Yeah, that part I don't get. Well, you don't have to. I mean, all you have to really decide is that you're going to you're going to purchase up to 75 trees, you know, not to exceed $500. Yeah,

you know, you just you just do that. It you don't have to say who you're going to buy it from. You don't have to say who's going to be speaking. You just say you want you're going to do, you know, three speakers on two on different rain capture and one on on oak tree care. You're going to, you know, buy, you know, up to 75 trees not to exceed $500. And you're going to you want to move the event to the community garden from the triangle. you know, that's that's all you have to put in the motion. You don't have to be that you don't have to be that specific. You just have to you have to be specific about how much you're going to spend. Um, and it helps to have some specific that word specificness to, you know, sort of the education program. Okay. Three speaker, but you don't have to say who they are or anything else really just because because if it changes then you're stuck,

right? So, but your hire get back to the fact that we've got to give an update to Lauren to tell her what order she would be a reimbursement. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. Don't worry about Lauren. You know, this is this is going back to the council and saying this is what we want to do. Is it okay with y'all? Yes. Okay. Now, now you get into the details. Lauren, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, whatever. you know, but you don't you don't have to say buy, you know, 60 trees from West Texas trees. You can just say buy up to so many for not to exceed this amount and then you're completely covered. Okay.

I think we have another Zoom for the 22. So, when will council be? Council meets on the 8th and the 22nd of October. Um, September. We're not having another meeting in September. She's gone. Thank you. Okay. Oh, is she here? Nope.

Oh, it just goes back to Oh. So I have four items to make a motion on. Uh the education, the location, the speakers, and the streets. Do we have to add food to that or

is there anything I'm missing? You don't have to name this figure. You just say the You can say what the educational components. Well, it doesn't matter really whether you say it's rained and harvest rain or whether you just say I was just going to say two speakers. Yeah. Okay. Well, you got you got three speakers.

Potentially three. Okay. Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to seek council's approval for the November retreat giveaway. Uh we're going to have two educational components. We're going to have a new location at city hall. We're going to have three speakers and to ask approval to purchase up to 75 trees not to exceed $500.

Bill's got a second. [Music] Uh, do I see a show of hand? Yes, ma'am. We can discuss We can discuss that. We're just looking for approval from that. 75 trees. No more than 500. Yes, sir. Yeah. Up to 75 trees not to exceed 500 bucks. Okay. We have a second. Uh show of hands. Okay. Four to got it.

All right. We're going to move on to u item number six. We're going to discuss and take Whoops. discuss and take possible actions on recommendations from council on creating a dog park within Wood Creek. This has been So, we're just going to skip on skip five. You don't need to add any more to five on the You don't really need to do that on the on the landscape company. Oh. Oh, actually, no. That's the one I was originally intending to read and then I just skipped it. Okay. But um we can create a subcommittee to look for bids on this RFP. Well, you're not living for the bids. You're working with Jim to get the bids.

Uh candidates for the bids. Candidates for the bids. So, if y'all would like, we can split up into a sub community of up to two people to petition um contenders, people that would like would that potentially would be interested um in submitting a bid through

be happy to reach out to Jook to be sure he's still available. I mean Jama if he's still available and so did he have to submit another what he submitted was was strictly on Augusta Park that's this is an Augusta Park this is our parks it is it is a it is a a native plant landscaping specialist to help us with our native plants in our parks.

And if my understanding is right, we need to um petition at least three bids. Um you don't have to get three back, but you have to ask for at least we have to ask. Five is better, but three is enough. Three. Would you like some another another board member to help you? Sure. Sure. Okay. Okay. And I know that Becky had Kelly's information. I I had some contact with Kelly. You've got her number. So that's how you name

I don't have my computer my step up on this computer. This is the city computer. So I can get it though. I mean if you send me I mean I leave minutes limit. Okay. Yeah. I leave I leave it real early in the morning and gone until the end of the month, but I will be watching emails and stuff. So now Jeff, but are do you feel like they need to submit drawings and all that or just what you're interested in?

What you're interested in is a Yes, I can I can do what you're asking which is some some targeted mowing, weed eating, weeding, watering, fertilizing for the native plants specifically in in our parks and green spaces. um and the scope and I can I can do all that and my my rate is x number of dollars per hour. Yeah. So you need to know yes I can do all those things and it's going to cost this much dollars per hour and what you have five 6,000 6,000 was was

no well we've got we've got Augusta and the triangle will have work to do. There's nothing really at Creekide yet, but there was conversation about a um what do you call a sensory garden in Creekide that you know the kids could actually touch and feel. So you know but that's just that's right now it's just a thought

but I mean you would be able to go to this person and say okay this is what we want to do. Do you have any ideas? So they they could come back with a design for something like that. So you would want that capability. Um but but right now as far as getting getting bid are you willing to do it? How much is it going to cost per hour? Um and are you capable of doing you know these things that we need doing? And the problem that has been that that you know like like Becky and Claire have said is that you know we just need somebody to make sure that somebody's coming by and putting water on where water is needed and and you know like the weeds are getting out of hand and and and like Becket or Sean they don't know the difference between a weed and a and a native plant that we're trying to protect. So

does anyone else have any suggestions for third person. Maybe you just reach out to the landscape or start googling certain things.

Yeah, but I don't want this little random person. I want somebody. Now, you could you could go to like like Wimberly Gardens or some place and say, "Who do do you have somebody that you know that you would recommend?" We're trying to get some bids on on this kind of work. King Feed Wly. They might have somebody that buys from them routinely. probably they would go to a wholesale nursery but um

then we need to know how often they'd be willing to come right it wouldn't be weekly probably ideally 6,000 for the year yeah that's not a lot no it's not that's not a lot now I don't tell them that Keep me do I am by keeping you dead for $6,000.

No, no, let them read the RFP. So, Jim will reach out to them and send them a request for proposal and uh the um the details will be within that, right? They're you they're going to give you your what they charge,

right? Yeah. You don't have to tell them what your what your budget is. I mean, basically, it says, "Listen, I mean, Jim may say they may ask and say, "Well, we've got a budget of $6,000." And they Well, okay. I mean, but but you know, if you're if you're doing that kind of landscaping work, you know, for 25 bucks an hour and you're going out a couple hours every week, you know, that's that's still you that's not $6,000.

No. you know, it's like there going to be times that you're going to spend, you know, 10 hours and other times that you're just going to go by and look, hey, everything looks good. See you, you know. So, so it's like, and if it gets to the point that you're three months in, they've already gone through $6,000 on on actual good projects, then you might have to say, "Okay, well, listen, let's go back to the council and find some more." Is is a resident? Um, no. Not a Creek. Would it be good to have somebody that would bid on that that is a resident? Yeah.

Well, that's a good idea. But do you know anyone? I mean, we can we can do a search next door. Bill, that's why you're on the committee. Yeah. Yeah. And you could you could very you could absolutely do that. You could go out and say, "Hey, City of Wood Creek is looking for, you know, you know, you know, landscape help, landscaping help with a focus on care and feeding of native plants. If you know anybody, please let me know."

You know, one of the uh best little roadside parks that I've ever seen was on off of 281 headed toward the valley. And it was a state park, so it had to be between in the state state, but they had a person who lived near that roadside park and he took care of that part better than you would your lawn. Yeah. I mean, it was always perfectly clean. The vegetation and everything was it was just like you would want for your home garden

or or lawn. So, you know, I think you know that type person to do this job. I mean, they were a resident and took his work and it would that would be really Yeah. Becky D. I don't think Becky I don't think Becky Den is looking for work. She's She's exiting. But we did a plans for sure.

So you can make a motion to, you know, form the subcommittee and task Judy and Bill to, you know, find potential vendors for the project and then to work with um staff to um secure bids. Okay. I'd like to make a motion uh to notify staff that we created a subcommittee of Judy uh Judy Newton and Bill

Bill I was gonna say Willight uh Bill Drumight to petition for bids for our landscaping city landscaping project. Um, don't don't say petition for bids because it sounds like you're going out for bids. Petition, you know, to find vendors, the petition staff. Yeah. Yeah. Petition to find vendors. Uh, what about putting a a time stamp on deadline? Yeah, you should. By the end of the year. By the end of the calendar year. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I I'd like for it to be decided by the end of the year. Yeah. What's up? You're just looking.

So, by our next uh tree board meeting, tree and parks board meeting by end. We got a lot to do. I'm wondering if I handle all this board meeting with all the but I guess I guess we'll come back with report if we had who we talked to. Don't don't you know I'm just saying don't overthink it. All you're trying to do is get three or four or five names of people they can contact. So I don't contact them. No ma'am.

Only to I mean you can contact them to say listen I just want you know we're going to be doing this. Our staff is you know is going to be going out and and doing official you know are you interested? You know and they say yeah we're interested. Okay. Well what's your best contact information? that's what you're trying to get so you can give it to Jim. But you are not you're not negotiating. You're not doing anything except to say that you know maybe answer a couple of questions but see if they're even interested in bidding. Okay. So what was last part of your motion? Oh to find vendors by end of next by next meeting.

Just say next meeting. I'm not sure what that is yet. teeth. Yeah, you can say by the next meeting. That's fine. Yeah, it's clear. Second. I'll second. All right. Show hands. The eyes have it. Uh, also I think our next meeting is the 15th of October. 15th of October. Yes, sir.

All right. Item number 56, discuss and take possible actions on recommendations from council on creating a dog park within city limits within the city. I remember this was an agenda item quite a while ago. Uh we had talked about the wooded area close to the interest on the south side of Wood Creek Drive. I think that's still an okay spot. Um I like that spot.

Would there would there be any other potential areas that's large enough? large enough. What? And that we own that we own. Do we have to own that? One of the old cutouts that you were talking about. So, does the city own that place that you just mentioned? Yeah. Down at the down at the corner. Yes, sir. It's about a half acre to 3/4 of an acre, right? Yeah. Something like that.

I have a question. So, I was just uh when I'm driving across it to come up here to the city, um there is the so across Champions Circle there's the you know the houses that are right across from it. The one left corner that's directly across from that um plot of land. Uh how much do they how much do you know like where their property ends and where the like is any of that city property at all? Golfer's property.

It is golfer property. So if it's golf property. Is there a possibility that we can do, we can work something, negotiate something to where we could use some of that for parking because there's that and Judy actually brought this up the last time about parking. They're not there's not much parking there. And well, someone used to live for parking, but I don't I see cars parked over there. I just assume it was people who lived across the street.

So people I mean people park all over the place as long as they pull off the pull off the pavement and it's all that we really care about. And um our fence would this would be fenced in and was that so fence to the It would be Yeah, it would have to be fenced in and and so but it's not going to be fenced up to the road. I mean it leave room for parking, right?

You know, that would be part of the plan. Okay. So So we've got this space. So y'all are just saying yes, we think it's a good idea. You know, we'd like to see the city proceed with it. Um, you know, we we did talk to somebody just to get a rough quote on what it would cost to fence it, you know, so we do have a we do have a rough quote for the fencing, but we haven't looked at it's not like it's been surveyed and say exactly know where the lines are going to be. So, we'd have to start with that, you know, start drawing, okay, the fence is here, you know, parking, additional parking here. There's there's space right now for like maybe two cars in a in a designated parking spot,

but that can be expanded. Um, you can park across the street. You can park across the street at Memorial Park, but you know, you still have to cross Wood Creek to get over to the to the dog park space over there and then the handicap parking space, right? Two different parking spaces. One hand. Yeah. Well, there's Oh, over memorial part. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you can you can pull off on the on the grass, though. I mean, so that's that's workable. Um, no, it's not it's not a great it's not a great area if you're looking at parking, but we don't you know the the city doesn't have any place that's a great area if you consider parking except here. Yeah. Well, that's why I was thinking, okay, so that you know, wherever that homeowner's land ends and the golf course starts, if there's something that we could possibly do, you know, that remains to be seen. The golf course has not been very um generous with their limit.

I mean, I don't really use that and it's not you. There's Yeah, there's And it's not, you know, golfer. It wouldn't block any golfers crossing the Wood Creek right there. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I mean, I'm going to just I'm just going to keep an open mind on that that that that they're just going to set that intention that they may um be very generous with just that small portion of land or if we just did like fresh gravel right there, you know, for parking or whatever.

They they might I mean, honestly, that's the city's easement. The city owns that. The city owns the the 10 feet or so in front of your house too in your in your engineer road leads. Yeah. So So each road has an easement a city easement that's about 50 ft wide. So if you got 22 feet of asphalt in the middle of it, you know, you've got room on either side of that that is that is city literally city property and easement. So,

and can any anything be put on an on an East or does it need to be like is that can you build on it like Well, if if we want if if we wanted to if we wanted to do something with that I mean we could now with the golf course raise a stink could be you know but if if we say listen you know we're thinking about just sort of putting some some hard surface down you know for parking because we're going to put a dog park across the street um just letting you know that we're going to put hard surface on our easement, you know. Yeah.

By your property, you know, it's like I mean they they may get their they may get upset by that, but they couldn't really stop it. So, conversely, if you wanted to put if you want to put park surface in your front yard for people to park, the the the procedure for that is you say, "Hey, city, I want to put hard surface in front of my is that okay?" And we go, "Sure." But theoretically, you ask permission to do anything in our eastern. Oh, yeah. I was looking at the map

trying to visualize this. Okay. Well, do we have a need for the dog park? Can we establish that we have a need? It was something that came up in the um comprehensive plan survey um as a you know would be nice to have and it was it wasn't like 80% want a dog park but about 60% said yeah you know that would be great or yeah it would be great as long as you know you know whatever but I mean with with some I was just wondering like today when I t this lady had to be 95 or She said for a little Donald trying to

she's always so dangerous. But but would people like would she go to the dog park and walk her dog? I doubt it. Seriously. But so you know who would be using this? Who would be riding over there and parking? Yeah. The the thing is I've always owned at least one dog and I've never used a dog park. So that that was my question. I mean, can you get your dog and drive to the park? A lot of people do. Very popular. The idea is to let your dog off the leash. Mhm. So, yeah,

the dogs are supposed to be on a leash within like if you're just walking down the street. Um, they have to be they it's for that quiet. So, it'd be it'd be an opportunity to let your dog off the leash. Um, if you live in the apartments across the street, you have a dog, let them out and uh use the facilities. Yeah, one of my concerns was water access at that area of the city. Could we get that? Is it there? I there was at one time. There was Okay. Wow. Because we had irrigation um for the for the plants up there.

Huh. One time. At one time. Well, the pipes are still there at one time. But I don't I don't know. Okay. That would be a that would be a big question mark. Uh I mean so the requirements for a dog park really is a fence and a a water source and if we wanted to a bench. Yeah. What what else would a dog park require that I that I miss? Well, I mean we need to really scour the property. you know, it's got weeds and Yeah, it's gonna take some It's gonna take some work to get it cleaned up. Yeah, definitely.

No. And y'all can, you know, y'all don't have to make a decision on this tonight. You can say, "Okay, we're going to keep keep it in consideration. We're going to go down and look at it. We're going to step it off, get a better a better sense." Yeah. I would say that we should try to establish the need or the uh what the citizens want. survey with a some kind of survey. Okay. I mean, one what is the demand for like we we don't want we want it for we pre not everybody that's walking and running and out of town, right? I mean, or is it open to anybody?

You can't I mean sit there on the corner with the blue hole area right there. Yeah. Um, no. You're not going to keep non-residents out. But, you know, the thing about a dog park is like it's like the dogs socialize, the people socialize, you know. So, so there's there, you know, there are certain upsides. I mean, but it's still a maintenance issue. I mean, it's something that, you know, has to be budgeted. I mean, you've got those little plastic bags. Somebody's got somebody's got that stuff up, you know. So, Okay.

I mean, so, so there there are a lot of considerations and, you know, it would have to be, you know, pretty high on low top. I don't know. I can't remember if it's on the um survey that's fixing to go out on the top plan update. I can't remember whether dog park is up there as a a choice. I think it is because one of the things we're trying to do is have have people changed their minds since they originally um were surveyed, you know. So there's a lot of the same questions on the follow-up survey as there was on the original survey to see if you know see if the trends have changed, you know. So it may be that you know what y'all have been asked to do is say look at is it feasible? What would you know what would need to what would we recommend to the council? I mean your recommendation to the council may be we think it's a stupid idea. You know that could be your recommendation. That doesn't mean the council is going to go okay well we'll just do it without you. You know they could do that but they're asking you for your recommendation. So so it would be a park. So it comes under your purview. you know, you can come back and say, you know, our concerns are, you know, cost of maintenance. Um, you know, where to go parking, you know, um, you know, we're we're not against it, you know, but, you know, there are some questions that need to be be answered before we can go any further on it. We don't have any, you know, it's like, is there somebody that's going to plan this for us and sketch it out? You know, M, you know, Doug Parks USA. Um, you know, I don't know. You know, that's that's why I say don't don't feel like you've got to decide right now what you're going to do.

Just say, you know, say I mean, if you want to, you know, just say, okay, listen, everybody between now and the next meeting, go down and walk it and just sort of, you know, get a get a sense. Go visit a dog park. There's a I know that um Wood Creek North has one, fairly large one by their by their main office across from the across from the playground in Wood Creek North. They've got one there. Um the apartments have at least one maybe a couple of dog parks of the apartment units. You need you need the apartment complex. Right. Right.

And this is a good location. You got all those forplexes and and apartment and and sort of those houses over in Deerfield. So, you're kind of doing Deerfield a favor, you know, which is I would appreciate that. Which is, you know, they're kind of they're they're they're I mean, until we did this road for them, I don't think anybody's done anything for Deerfield in 25 years. No. You know, so now the other thing would be to acquire land and put it someplace else, but that's a you know, down the road. Yeah. Well, I had a couple questions about that that I'll ask you. Okay. I would say that we should table this because we need more permission, you know, more need to think about it more.

Sound that in. And then you're talking about the possibility of getting land someplace else. Yeah. The other thing too, I mean, I think moving to table is is a good motion. Um, one thing is I'm not exactly sure of that property and where ours ends and because I think there's a vacant lot next to that. I don't think that whole wooded area is I'm not sure that that whole wooded area is ours. I don't think it is. I think it might be two lots, one belonging to somebody. So, a survey would be required. Well, if nothing else, just go on Hazecad and see see where the property where where it's platted.

Not a I mean, if you look at the if you look at the zoning map, Yeah. it just shows like number one or two. Yeah. P1. This is this is US P1. This is government. So that's, you know, that's Memorial Park. And this is P1. And they look to be about the same size, right? They do. Yeah. But but I I haven't walked it off down there to see. Okay. Well, where where is that S? And also remember there's a path along Wood Creek Drive on that side leading into Blue Hole. So you're not going to encroach on that. So if what you end up with is a 10 foot wide dog park out that well. Dog run.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think we need to do a little bit more snooping around down there before any real recommendation. Okay. So table it till the next one and then and then just ask people to go and spend a couple minutes. Well second motion bill.

Okay. And that concludes our meeting at 77.

All right. Well, I'm kicking you all out. I got to get out of here, man. I'm sorry. Well, I'm supposed to be at the same meeting that Linds. Yeah. So, winds, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sorry you missed that. Well, this the three the three candidates were presenting. They're they've got some sort of a forum tonight and so they were doing a a candidate forum. So I'm like, "Okay, well, let's see what everybody's doing." Well, if you ever need to reschedule a meeting, I'm not going to reschedule your meeting. I was thinking maybe Tap or Jim here. Oh, just kidding.

No, I'm fine. No, I'm fine with that. I told him I told him that I had a meeting and and I wouldn't you know depending on how it went I'd be here. I think Linda took our uh meet minutes from the last meeting with her. Oh, so we have nothing to sign. I don't have anything to sign. We'll have to get maybe Yeah, I think she does. We can just print another copy. I mean, Cara can put another copy and get you. Yeah, that's not Oh, I got I got to stop the film. Oh.