Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. It's 5 p.m. on Russell Scott, the chair of the City of Wood Creek Planning and Zoning Commission. I'm hereby called to bring the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting to order. City Secretaries, please issue a roll call.

Member Pat Rawlings. Here. Member Carol Nesbitt. Here. Vice Chair Carson Bledsoe. Here. And Chair Russell Scott. Here. Can you have a quorum?

Fantastic. Do we have any public comments?

We do.

all right moving right into the consent agenda the first item on the agenda for the consent agenda to approve the regular planning and commission meetings from April 18th I move quickly for the meetings from the point of hands on commission meeting from April 2. all right all in favor raise your hand say aye aye aye does it say the 18th or the 8th 8th probably Oh, I'm sorry, not you. Okay.

Oh, you said the 18th, so I said the 18th.

That was right before I put my glasses on. I've got such great faith in you. Thank you. uh so this is when we generally go for a report from the council liaison which is our esteemed mayor deborah heinz and i would like to ask her to kind of walk us through uh the legal review on the agenda item that we're getting ready to cover if that's okay

So, in lieu of a report from me, essentially, we have a report from Stan, and we would like to ask that they'll return these to us. While this is consultation that we are going to publicly discuss, it's best if they're not written papers, I'll start doing it. But really, it's pretty straightforward. Essentially, the state changed the laws for the city. And in our zoning code, we had this zoning for manufactured homes described already. We have the zone listed. What we did not have is a designated area for it on the map. The state code says not only do you have to have a designated area, but you actually have to have it applied to the map. So we're not in compliance with the state code. with that which doesn't take effect till September that's that's accurate um with that being said you know you all essentially have uh two options and we'll discuss that later tonight in the meeting but what the rest of this says is that the city is subject to this code and it's out of compliance not only because it's not applied on the map, but also because we do have a commercial district. We do have areas that plug sales tax about businesses. So that area where the liquor store is located and the cigar store and the golf course for that matter, actually. Because those exist, because we're tightly in general law city, the state says we have to. So tonight is not as much of a question about should we or shouldn't we? It's more about where is this going to go? And then we can talk a little bit more, like you said, about your choices tonight. Or if you guys have any questions, I'm here to answer them.

All right. Any questions, comments on that? We're going to discuss it in greater detail. So we're going to move into a workshop now on designating a zone for MH1, which is manufactured housing on the city of Wood Creek zoning map. Do we keep recording?

Yeah. Did you just save the time?

Yeah. Yeah. So we're entering the workshop at 5.03. And one of the first thing i want to do we have a city zoning map and i don't know how familiar you are with it so i think it's going to be best can we can we go over here yeah i was full disclosure i was driving around today and i studied the zoning map and had a discussion with the city administrator

One thing to point out in your legal review is that it cannot just be one lot. Now, the code is not explicit or specific on that, but if you're reading the intent and spirit of it, you can't just say it's this lot. It needs to be an actual, like, zoned area.

But I thought he was very unclear in his findings on how much area had to be this area. So we want to be able to create a specific area that everything right now is already designated, right?

We don't have a mobile, an MH-1.

the mapping right yeah so we're going to have to overlay that on something else where it'll be as if ss5 slash mh1 yeah i mean you're thinking right so i'm just going to point some of the things that i after spending an hour and a half looking at this map came up with um First of all, I want to be very clear about how I feel about mobile homes. I don't have a problem at all with mobile homes. I think it's a great affordable housing. If you haven't read the information, the mobile homes that we have to approve are standard HUD, which means single-wide, the little bitty black ones.

Yes.

Nobody that has a three-quarter million dollar home wants that next to their home. So nobody is going to want this to be zoned anywhere in the city of Brooklyn. But we don't have a choice, right? So what we need to decide is what's best for the City of Wood Creek and our residents when we decide to put it here or put it there or put it here. Sorry, there. I have a question.

The question is, is there a percentage? No. That we have to do? Yes. There you go. It just can't be one. No. We only carry one, right?

So the law, unfortunately, like many state laws, is... It leaves room for interpretation, but you don't see, you know, this isn't residential type zoning. It is uncommon for residential zoning to be one lot. That's commercial, that's a specialty, you know, that's a a cup those kind of things so residential zoning you know on averaging wood creek you know because your goal tonight is actually to go with wood creek uh historical concept so our smallest zoning area is

you know what four or five blocks that's residential so that is residential that lot is commercial the one you just said what i'm saying is i was looking at the general zoning instead of just residents so let me let me back up right so i after looking at this i personally and this is a committed so we've got to decide this together i personally took everything out that jello and went

There's no way. I mean, there's just no way that I can stand in front of the city of Wood Creek. So I'm going to say right here on Wood Creek Drive from the entrance to Brook Hollow that we have to be manufacturer housing. Right? I don't think anybody in the city of Wood Creek would want that. I mean, I know none of these people would. And I don't think any of these people would. Because that's what you see the first thing when you walk in, right? I mean, we drive it. So I'm like, okay, well, where can we hide it but still be in a place that's exactly what i ended up with wildwood sir i originally started here and i started here but this is getting ready to be completely redone this road is going to be every use right now and it's going to be a main entrance so do you want them right there or just like you have it right here no i don't think so this is the little tiny houses right there on the back hole of the golf course right um i also look at right around the corner here we're right here overlook circle i i would say a big fight hard against that part either way is there even an empty lot where you could do that So if somebody, if the house is 70 years old, 30 years from now, and they decide to tear it down, they can move a mobile home.

I was just going to ask. So hypothetically, if that house was torn down on Woods Creek Drive.

And we had zoned it MH1.

That was a question I had.

That's the thing with these is the way the lots are. This would work. I just don't think the vision is right. a lot already I think that's two or three I don't know what the number is and nobody is going to be happy with it I don't care where we put it wherever it is people are going to go oh yay they're going to the only other place that I was looking at but I had Sprout with development it's right

The PDDs are controlled in a different manner, and that would be a negotiation with the author to do that.

No, but I was just wondering, has anybody heard of it in six years? Yes. Oh, recently. Oh, really? Okay.

And that is not on the agenda, so we can't discuss further, but yes, we can talk about it.

This is PDD now, so. Yeah, I know, but that's it. I originally thought maybe that there's nothing other than the others. Just like this.

It's owned by the Watershed Association. That is a PDD owned by the Watershed Association. Okay. It's basically a conservation easement.

It is part of the City of Woodcrete.

Where do you have to be connected? The ETJ.

Well, it's in our ETJ. So you don't have to be physically connected if you're in the ETJ. But if you were to be not connected to the ETJ, then you can't join the city.

Oh, okay. So just within the ETJ. Yeah. Okay.

Well, all these little houses here, because when I walk down to the little, in that circle, this is at the end of the other end, because I don't, this end, I'm down here by offloads, you know, what they call 10 sports years ago. And that was the old city hall there.

And

I mean, and those are small homes, affordable homes, affordable homes.

I'll put it that way. Yeah, that's exactly right.

So it seems appropriate looking at the big picture that that would be. Well, you got to do what you got to do.

Are there any here? No. I don't know. I think this, I see what you're pointing about, just being an entrance, but that's where it makes sense, because these are really designed to be the rentals for the golf course, right?

They were originally.

I think originally, yeah.

It is the only area that's done for short-term rental as well.

Yeah, I think way back, they would bring people in, and if the sales are staying here, they were really interested in golf. But I just couldn't see 10 years from now, six mobile homes. Like I said, I think this is going to be a much more used road with that bridge.

It's all fixed.

I mean, everybody avoids it at all costs, right? You kind of just have to go that way. Yes. So once it's fixed.

There's not really a real road back there, is there? Like, how would you even get a mobile home back here? Oh, yeah, this road just continues. It's just sitting with Creek Maintenance. This here is not a mobile home, is it?

He's talking about logistics. No, it's got a circular drive.

But the zone in T. Watts, I think, is a positive. The zone in T. Watts, I don't have any areas zoned for short-term rooms.

Is that by the dark side?

No, that's not. right here. These are the contents of it. That's way up after the bridge. Yeah.

Just to introduce this individual, if he's considering joining your board.

Yeah, I'm going to invite him. He was last year.

He was a very interesting citizen. Yeah.

Sorry about that. Yeah.

So anyway, so really, that at least, but that would just be my

right these are your full you know very small they're kind of meant to be rentals that's my you know you're talking about that's the point yeah one thing i had a question about is these two lights right here i think that one may be the golf course but this one is owned by jacobswell llc Oh, it's probably the watershed. Is that the watershed?

I can't, I mean, I don't know for sure. I don't know who Jake's LLC is, but.

I guess what I'm saying is, is there any possibility that those two lots could be rezoned? Because feasibly, you could clear those out and do those as well.

Are those when you cut them down?

is that is that what the camp was using or yeah when you go well the camp's entrance I think but when you go all the way around and you're about to turn here uh-huh this is very very helpful yeah yeah and so I mean you could zone it manufactured houses but somebody has to do a lot of land clearing but that's not our problem no I'm gonna do it okay

So I just think it'd be easier for us, perhaps if it's already developed, to relapse this thing six months and push up against some dates. Because it may take 18 months to negotiate and purchase and resell. I'd like to get it done. And if that could be done in the future, I think that would be a wise deal as an attempt. Yeah, exactly.

So you do have an opportunity for growth if it needed somebody pushed for it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So now what?

Well, I think you should return to the table and we should talk a little bit more about the next steps. And then you can try to make some decisions. So. This evening, you don't need to issue a final report or anything like that. This evening, the decision would be to go to public hearing or not, right? You could say, no, we want to take another meeting. No, we want to garner more public input and do X, Y, Z, right? And that is a recommendation you would send to council. Your final report will come after your public hearing, whenever you decide to call it. I'll go ahead and address the elephant in the room real quick. There is the option to do nothing and risk future lawsuits. I did clear with the attorney that doing nothing would not put us at risk of mobile homes going in anywhere. However, it is the legal opinion of our attorney that it is best to go ahead and address this to prevent any future liability for the city because if someone chose to sue us over this they would win because we would be out of compliance with the city right so that that liability is there so if that's that's probably the the main thing from the attorney and then I just would ask that whenever you're ready to prepare your final report you discuss the zoning based justifications for what you're recommending meaning Are you recommending it because there are lots available or because there are no lots available currently? Are you recommending it because of the zoning in the area being similar or dissimilar or like proximity to an entrance is fine, proximity to commercial or other kind of... Just the reason it's fine. And they need to be... based in zoning not aesthetics right because the city doesn't govern based on aesthetics and i think you had a fair point in that likely there is not going to be anyone thrilled about this but the prejudice towards manufactured home and affordable housing is also not um a governing decision if that makes sense like personal bias and personal prejudice against styles of housing should not be part of your justification ideally right it should be based on the fact that you could put it adjacent to some of the most affordable homes it is with the value right so that that kind of language basin and zoning principles right similar type of development um proximity to you know, commercial areas, which is sort of meant to serve. That kind of thing would be relevant, right?

The other thing is, is if you had manufactured homes there, it could provide a place for people that worked at the golf course or camped in Judea. Is that what you mean? Yeah. To make sure I said that right. To, you know, come in and stay as well if they needed to. And proximity would be good on that.

So, any other questions or concerns before we close the workshop? I think, you know, from everybody's discussion, we kind of got an idea of what we feel like is best. I don't necessarily think that we have to state that or disclose that. I just think we can think about it. But, you know, the next thing on the agenda is talking about whether or not we want to have a public hearing about it.

One last question. Is overlaying one zone on another cool?

is that legit to do i i don't think it's an option i mean it's a good question for stanley you know but i i don't i don't think it's an option that we have to not do it because we don't everything so you're right in that we you know inside because this also has to be inside the city limits we can't rezone part of the utj we don't have authority to do that so right now we don't have anything unzoned I don't think that this would be undoing existing zoning. I think it would be like kind of a dual overlay is my understanding at this time. Now, there are words in here that I think are really important is that a lot of this will be resolved in future court cases. So as this situation develops, there might be things that change that make us have to take this back up.

Especially if they try to dictate percentage or something. How on earth? I don't know how they can do that. Well, you just have to overlay it on some area and then just wait till houses were torn down.

Yeah, it's always good to have reasonable justification. So in keeping with existing zoning minimums, right? The minimum number of lots we have in any zoning is probably about three or four. So if you keep with that, then we have that, like, justification for our choice that is based in historical principles for this city, right?

And then we can come up, you know, already have, like, manufactured words, laws, whatever. So, you know, it has to have fencing and so many parking spots. We can do that too.

That would actually be a very relevant point to be considering going forward. because of the very real possibility that this might be implemented. Should you select somewhere that doesn't already have everything built out, you know, there would be more of an impetus to do that now. If you selected an area with everything built out, then, you know, you could develop that over time. But that is a really great catch, especially because if you don't address that...

Empty lot.

Yeah. they could have them next month they could yeah yeah exactly so there are there are some minimums in there um I believe we sent y'all the code yeah you know um like there are some very very basic descriptors but I do think that it's probably lacking real um governance like our other zoning has but you need to establish second requirements

i mean all of that i mean just like we do all of our stuff so setbacks and everything i think they should in most cases unless you're thinking something else carson duplicate what's already there in the like you know the area that we're looking wherever the setbacks are that we would continue that you know just copy that but add on top of that you know like

it has to have sturdy yeah you know uh it has to have yeah some basic stuff so we can talk about that uh yeah one thing that would be kind of interesting is depending on the size of the lots over there manufactured homes have a kind of a standard length too they do so when you have a normal residential home it can kind of morph to fit the lot but you've got a big stick that's got to be rectangle yeah big rectangle and it has to fit within our setbacks and stuff and that might be interesting hasn't that changed something like the tiny home deals with that is that a manufactured home

These are definitions that you might want to address. I mean, our code is pretty protective, something that we learned in all of the different attorney consultations on short-term rentals. the very end one of the things that our code does protect us is that we don't have to explicitly literally say everything that just because our code doesn't say it doesn't explicitly allow it either so that is built in there um but it is always best to to attempt to give clear direction and i'm trying to sorry i'm like listening to y'all and looking for this at the same time but i would say that This code is lacking clear direction and I'm trying to pull it up now.

And your tiny homes question is a real critical question. Let's don't get too far down the rabbit hole that goes down on each end. Yeah, but it's a manufacturer. I'm saying it is.

Is a tiny home a manufacturer?

Tiny homes are probably. This is not what this is written for. This is written for HUD standard.

Okay, very specifically standard manufacturing, but is that limiting?

I think is what his question is. Is HUD standard limiting or is it a minimum? Right. I don't know what you're asking. So, HUD standards can say this is the minimum you must provide. Or HUD standards saying this is the cap. This is the maximum of what this could be.

I guess it depends on your perspective. I would call it maximum, but I think in your context, it will be minimum. In other words, it can't be any smaller than the HUD standard, right?

So what Mr. Rawlings is asking is, are HUD standards, could somebody building a tiny house meet HUD standards?

Positive.

know so this is tonight that's what we can that's one of the questions for me that's a question for stanley exactly so that is the job tonight is to come up with your questions come up with your concerns come up with the things that you need to be addressed and and find a way future agendas or you know the proposal in your final draft or your report to council or why don't you know to to have counsel address these to have direction given to stand to draft the code to address them right you guys don't have the pen to paperwork but write these questions and you you express these concerns i think you should do a an exhibit um that shows a lot and then because we all know that manufactured homes are rectangular

nature to the street parallel to the street i think a couple of exhibits showing what is allowable the setback standpoint and all that stuff according to something i'm reading on the tiny alliance usa.org a tiny home may be a manufactured home that meets the hud definition and is built to bud code yeah so that's 320 feet

on a permanent chassis and meet the federal definition of a manufactured homes most tiny homes tend to fall below this threshold in size though and i think a lot of people would probably feel like a tiny home is more attractive but again aesthetics can't be taken into account um the mh1 subdivision is a minimum lot size of 7 200 feet minimum square feet living is 1000 square feet minimum setbacks are 25 feet interior lines are seven and a half feet side street is 15 feet so it doesn't address 25 yeah Front and back.

That could be a problem. Yeah. Yeah. How big are those lots? That's 50 feet. I don't know if they're 100 feet. Those are not big lots. Well, I mean, that's just something we would have to change. I mean, because we have to.

Well, but if tiny homes are qualified as manufactured homes, we could have a square tiny home. But the problem is... is if the home needs to be, would you say 1,000 square feet?

So we don't have minimum lot sets anywhere else.

No, the house.

Yes, yes. So I can't tell you what SF5 lot sizes are because we don't actually have them.

So anyway, there's a lot of questions you have to be answered, and we can't do that tonight.

Well, I think it would be relevant to say something like adjust MH-1 code to fit the existing laws where you're overlaying, right? You might need to reduce some of those stipulations. In fact, SF-5, I can tell you right now, Sorry, this chart is hard to read. It's only one story, 1,000 square foot metal, so that's the same.

Oh, only one story.

Yeah, I will say that the front and rear setbacks are less, so the manufactured home is more stripped than what's in place there now.

That's 15, isn't it?

Over there, it is 15, and it looks like the front is 20. The sides are 7 1⁄2 feet. Yeah.

um so uh city secretary i would like um have you exited workshop no because i'm still okay uh i would like to uh get a question a couple of questions to our city attorney uh just for verifications is tiny cones HUD standards for manufactured home in the MH-1 designation. Second question, can we, and if so, what kind of requirements can we add, i.e. fence, parking, skirting, set mat, how they are set on the lot, etc.? I think that will help us And then I think we covered everything else.

Just one little thing came up a minute ago. You said no two story houses. But I've seen a lot of tiny homes that have lofts. Most do. And that can enable, with a smaller footprint, your square footage to go up. So that is another part of this question.

But most tiny homes are 800 to 400 square feet. I was taking a double-sized one in Costa Rica, and it was $700. And it was double the size of any one I've ever been in. It was big, you know. Our friend's is 380. They have one mountain blanket that's 380 over the property, but for guest house care. Thanks.

I need to clarify that the minimum square feet of living is a thousand for both designations in each one and the other. and that SF-5 does not allow a second story, but MH-1 does not. It doesn't talk about murking and it doesn't talk about fencing. I can tell you right now, I mean, I can't speak for our attorney, but I've worked with him long enough, mostly to know that he's going to say, you can add all of those requirements, fencing, minimum setbacks, parking, all of that. You probably should. The one that I do think is a relevant question for him is his skirting on the house, because that gets to aesthetics. so we might that is something we probably need to run by the end of the day so just asking about all of it just because we have an opinion on it right all right i'm just telling you he's going to talk he's going to say yes it's relevant to add fencing distinctions we have that in all of our other zones okay yes that's in all of our other zonings question yes borderlines material and that kind of thing. So that's that is a that was a question.

And the tiny home question.

Oh, yeah. So do we want to kind of supersede the state? Do we have the ability to do that? Because if the state says tiny homes, if they meet these standards are sufficient, then do we actually have the ability to say no tiny homes?

right right so I think we should move that volume but again you know a tiny is it a tiny home if it's a thousand square feet right what's the thousand square feet the livable area or is the footprint of the house not a living space yeah yeah condition leaves yeah right so you might I mean I've never seen a two-story manufactured poem there's people that do container homes I've seen that yeah that's the the oh wow the thing is though is that if you have a loft i've done this you have a lot if the loft is 30 33 33 of the floor plan below it it's not considered a two-story it's still part of the open space yeah so even if it has a floor Yes, sir. If the floor is 33% and less, it's considered a loft space. And a lot of the tiny homes, you have the kitchen, the living room down below. And it's kind of like an A-frame up in the mountains, right? So it's all loft. And that loft is considered part of that first floor. If it's 33, if it goes past the 33%, if it's somewhere in that neighborhood, then it becomes a second floor. But the 33% line is where it cuts off.

All right. I'm going to close the workshop at 534 p.m. And we're going to move on to the next agenda item, which is discussion and possible action on calling a public hearing for the purpose of considering the zoning change and applying MH-1 zoning to a designated area in order to comply with state law. Can we? No. OK. I personally think it's a great idea to not do this, not being transparent, and to be as transparent as possible about it. So I'll entertain motions to have a public hearing, or if you have comments on it or questions, let me know.

Are we ready to have a public hearing before we get these questions answered?

Oh, no, I don't think we will. I think we'll get the questions answered probably by the end of the week or Monday or something like that. The public hearing needs to be like in three weeks, which gives us time to get our stuff together and then post it two weeks out. And then we would follow up with our meeting the week after that and make our final recommendations to council. Does that sound about right?

i think that that's reasonable it is definitely one way to approach this oh not fair to tell y'all what to do i made it can i ask you a question about some little spots that you're recommending there aren't they deep enough wide enough to actually establish the seven thousand square foot yeah so that is that is a calculation thing that we would have to perform because Our code does not have our lot sizes listed. It's actually one of the things that as a council member, I've tried to get passed to minimum lot sizes. So it's one of the things that eventually in our code update will be addressed. So somebody will have to go in and calculate all of these. then the mh1 again so it goes back to the mh1 standards that we have can and may need to be adjusted depending on where you decide to put this my best if you're asking my real recommendation here i would say y'all don't sound ready to have a public hearing and i would recommend that if you set a public hearing you set it a couple months out that you consider having some of your questions addressed by the attorney first, maybe even like drafting a formal sort of thing. And we can even have Stan just to take the meeting. But really, some of this is just policy. Stan is not going to tell y'all what to do. It is up to y'all to think, what does Wood Creek want? What does Wood Creek look like? What do our citizens value? What is in keeping with our existing zoning? So we're actually looking to you all to decide things like, is one parking space enough? Are we going to require two? Are these setbacks reasonable for a mobile home? Or do we want further setbacks, less setbacks? If we allow, you know, the fencing seems like it should stick, in my opinion, stay with what's already in that area. So whatever area you select, I will copy that fencing. I would also maybe select a rank of areas, meaning your first choice, your second choice, because having worked with this council for a very long period of time, they might not like what you pick, right? And I would like to make sure that your voice is fully heard and valued and that we aren't kind of cut off at the knees because we made only one recommendation, right? And they might overhear.

So, okay. I personally don't think we have that much to find out, but maybe I'm missing something to me. I'm going to have one question.

I think these questions we're asking will lead to other questions. And I tend to agree that given that we're not close to the date at which we have to have it, that I think this would be better to push it out a little bit and maybe have one more meeting where we so you want to do it like after our next meeting i would see like maybe two weeks after that which gives us another two weeks following meeting after that well um as far as how that interplays with the council later um if we did did it if we set it up for two weeks after our uh next meeting

um would that work well with the council schedule um yes and yes uh so basically I would recommend one or two approaches either you use an existing meeting date and time for your public hearing and you hold your own or we have it on the existing council meeting date and time and have a joint public hearing Either way, we don't save money, so it doesn't actually matter. At one point, I thought we would save money by having them on the same day, but you actually still have to do two public notices. The reason why I say I don't really are ready for the public hearing is because of the temperature of social media in the city. If you all do not have some clear materials presented with this that are carefully crafted, you may be eaten alive. And I don't want that for you.

Well, you'll be eaten alive anyway.

I know, but we do owe our residents an attempt at transparency and communication. And I would recommend it come in the form of packet materials that they can digest at home that serve as a public record, even if somebody doesn't attend the meeting or doesn't listen to the meeting.

Or even if somebody cherry picks a particular part of the packet

been posted on social media so it's to skew the public opinion that is highly guaranteed and that's guaranteed yeah yeah so do you have a recommendation for uh adding this to our next agenda for our next public meeting regular meeting for the planning zoning commission uh yeah i would just like to it's basically uh

Another workshop, basically. Yeah, basically, we just have to have another workshop.

Okay.

So, nothing before then. I would like to make a motion that our next meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission that we have a workshop discussing designating a zone for MH1 manufactured housing on the City of Wood Creek zoning map.

Yes, I get that.

I have a question though. I have a separate question. I know there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on social media and a lot that aren't and there's a lot of people not on the internet

does the city doesn't put out any like newsletter do they wish you i never get one in my mailbox so to mail it you have to elect to receive that and we will mail it to you we do not blanket mail the city because that would be very expensive we send it out monthly it can be received digitally as well you also have to sign up for that you know that yeah but it can't volunteer

after the mail people go slide it in the mail box.

No, that's a federal offense. Right.

You have to put it on the doors.

It's very easy to sign up for mail. I would immediately pick up the phone and call the city and say, quit wasting money on paper. I can read it on my computer.

It's a situation. Any way you go. But some people like paper.

and so yeah and that's all so if you want paper we'll give it to you but 97 people don't but i think we just call them yeah okay thank you all right so we have a motion to have a continuation of discussion of possible action on calling uh i mean uh on uh designating his own for h1 manufactured housing in the city of woodbury zoning map at the next regular planning and zoning committee meeting which i believe is June 17th. Is that correct? Yeah, it's the third Wednesday.

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consideration for agenda items that's where you're meeting I

we want to uh we want to be able to finalize that meeting by creating a packet for recommendation of city council that includes information for the public to digest about what our recommendations are and the reasoning behind it yeah i just decided hey it's

No, they can't blame us for what's going on.

No, that's right. I mean, they're good.

I mean, I've never watched the video, too. That is for growing up in the nation and raising food choices. Yeah. Would y'all like to have Santa's in that meeting or not?

I think it would be really helpful if Zoom is finally going to come here, but if we can Zoom in for 30 minutes, maybe closer to an hour, I'll probably be done in 15 or 20 minutes. It's been 45, so good questions, good discussion. Any other consideration for agenda items for the next meeting besides what we've already discussed? Anything else related? Okay, do we have any announcements?

Y'all probably know this, but the GLOW grant was approved, which, forgive me if we talked about this in the last meeting, I don't I don't think we'll be seeing it, but either way. So what's going to happen is that when we council meeting, they have a bunch of formalities and then we'll start like the engagement process with them in June 2nd. And that will really learn how this is going to work. But up front, we know the city will be paying costs out of pocket and then being reimbursed.

So brace yourselves. Let's do one more.

oh sorry, the General Land Office, it's another CBGB grant and it's based on resilient communities and what it's going to pay for is the comprehensive plan survey release, the update and the processing of that data and then the update of our comprehensive plan and a subsequent code update related to that average but also...

So it'll pay for the code?

Well, it's $225,000. So it will pay for a lot. Attorney fees are rather high, but we don't have to take all of the code update at once. We can chunk that kind of stuff. So if it's looking like the money is running out, we can sort of prioritize.

Is the grant expired at any point?

Not that I'm aware of at this time, but we are not to the point where we have been briefed on that kind of stuff yet. So I have some time next week with it when we meet. So I don't know about that.

Oh, and there was one other thing on the affordable housing. If we didn't act on this, it could possibly cause us to have a bad answer on a grant as if we do the fair housing stuff. Is that true?

Is always a possibility whenever you are not meeting those kind of standards. So part of accepting this general and office grant is actually we have to make April fair housing. So a lot of grants are tied to state compliance and also being a community that is inclusive and kind of meets Some minimum standards.

Some of the state cares about that.

Okay. Okay.

I'm going to take a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. A second. All in favor say aye. Aye. And I actually, I think we didn't vote. I don't think we voted on that.

You can adjourn.

We're not adjourned.

Are you talking about Regulation 2? Yes.

It was motioned by that. And then she had a question and we got distracted and moved on and didn't vote. So all in favor of that motion, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Thank you. And with that, I will take advantage of the motion that was seconded to adjourn and adjourn us at 548 p.m. Thank you.