Police Commission - Regular Meeting

good evening and welcome to the september 20 26 wolf brook hampshire police commission meeting it's now currently in session and at this time i'd like to ask everyone to please rise for the point of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all Okay, before we get down to business, I just wanted to take a brief moment and just reflect on the fact that tonight is the eve of 9-11. And I'd like to take a moment, if we could, and have just a brief moment of silence in recognition of all the folks We lost, as a result of 9-11, all the men and women, children, first responders. So if we could at this time, I just would like to take a minute to reflect on that. All right. Thank you, folks. Let's see. I'd like to take consideration of the minutes. We could entertain a motion to accept the minutes from the August 2026 meeting. I'll make that motion. So moved, I'll second that.

Second.

I'll second it, yes. Okay, with that, we're going to move on to the chief's items.

Thank you. I have several items to make the commission aware of. The first one being the equipment update. That would be the cruiser that has been ordered from McGovern Ford. It is at McGovern Ford. It is awaiting a two-way radio from Motorola. As soon as that comes in, it will be on the line as a marked cruiser.

That replaces car seven, if you remember our conversation.

Personnel update. Detective Corporal Shanks has resigned to accept a detective sergeant position in OSPI. We wish him well. We have offered an out-of-state certified officer a conditional offer of employment, and now we begin the background investigation. He did receive very high marks from the oral interview team, and we thank those that were involved in that as well. We have extended one of the two part-time civilian parking enforcement officers into the fall. Next on the list is Captain Livy. To my left, we'll be attending command training executive development, which is offered by Roger Williams University. This program is one that's developed in corroboration with the New England Chiefs of Police. It's one that I took a few years ago. It's a six-week program, and it is hybrid. In other words, it's in-person as well as online and a whole lot of reading and homework. Next, Sergeant Sparrow began his school resource officer duties as of last week. Everything's going very well, and at this time, I'd like to appreciate the work that has been done in the school by Corporal LaRochelle over the past three years. He has returned to the patrol function. We do have in-house training scheduled in two weeks from now. Topics for the Commission's knowledge include the various policies that you've all signed off on, as well as domestic violence laws and the mental health considerations. Next on my list, I have traffic radar analysis. You should have both been made aware or given copies of Two traffic studies that we've done as you know, we've done a few other roads in town these two winners were North Line Road and Bay Street and as you'll notice What or what I'm finding is the average daily traffic and These two roads are very different roads they're in different parts of the town and they both averaged about between twelve and fourteen hundred vehicles per day and What I also found interesting, especially the Bay Street, was I expected speeds to be higher. I was concerned that we were going to see a lot more higher speeds. And as you'll notice, around 98.6% of the vehicles were under 35 miles an hour. So that's actually positive. So I'll let you digest that, and as usual, give us a call with any questions. For the month of August, there were 18 arrests, 157 motor vehicle stops, of which 25 were summonses, 12 motor vehicle collisions, and 33 criminal incidences of note that included six assaults, three nuisance calls for dogs, two DWIs, a sexual assault, and numerous fraud and scam cases. And these continue to be consistent every month. On the point of the dog nuisance, we have received quite a bunch of feedback from folks who saw our request for interest resumes for someone who wants to do the animal control officer function, and we're diving into those and having conversations with various folks that have shown interest. Next on the list is obviously the 9-11 ceremony. As you know, tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of that day. And tomorrow at 11 a.m., I'd like the public to be aware that there is a 25th anniversary remembrance ceremony at the Wright Museum. and the public is encouraged to attend. There will be representatives from DAR who is actually doing most of the heavy lifting on that, and fire and police personnel will be there speaking as well. The captain and I will be attending the Governor Wentworth School District meeting on Monday, and we're going over the MOU with them there. Also during the month of August and what continues into September is preview and presentation of the 2027 police communications and ACO budgets. They will happen later on this month. We will first meet with the new finance director and our town manager. There is rumor that perhaps the incoming town manager might be involved at this point as well. Signage. Signage for the public safety building remains an issue that has concerned a lot of residents and I think I should point out where we're at with that. The public safety building is the home to both or all the police, fire and communications personnel for the town. It's a building that we share and it has its own budget. Part of that budget is to put appropriate signage that fits with the building as well as with the town's character. And we have taken several estimates or quotes. Chief Zotti and I have reviewed those and I think we're prepared to go to the town manager with our thoughts and hopefully we can get that up ASAP. We were relying on the old sign for a time until you remember a windstorm about a month ago that took the sign with it. So hopefully we'll get that done. Accreditation and standards department policies continue to be written and sent through the process. As you know, but for the public's sake, the process is that they're written within the police department. They're reviewed by the captain and myself. Changes might be made. Updates might be attached to them. There is a workflow that happens through the system of PowerDMS. Once we're satisfied with the results, we send them off to the commission. Once at least two of the commissioners signs off, it becomes law or rule within the department. I would ask the commission if you could respond ASAP to those. What we've found is that that second signature isn't happening until several of the policies build up and as what you may not be aware of is once you sign it it goes automatically to the troops so they're getting five six seven policies at a time and it's overwhelming we want them to do a little bit at a time so we have them out on the road doing their job and not sitting at the computer trying to get through these policies so i i appreciate your cooperation with that um Under the same heading, 91 requests seem to be taking a lot of time. We're getting an average of about 8 to 10 every month And although that doesn't sound like a lot, it can be quite an undertaking. Police reports typically have to be redacted a lot. We protect this private citizen's information, so we have to triple check that form before it goes out into the general public to ensure people's privacy is protected. Wolf Bros no different than any other community with 91 a request in the state of New Hampshire. There's been a few Supreme Court case rulings that have kind of opened the door with a lot of requests. So a lot of people are understanding how that system works or how they believe that system works. So we're getting a lot of requests for copies of reports and that type of thing again for the public's sake. What we have is a form that you would need to fill out if you need a 91A or need a report that you have to fill out just so it's specific enough so that we get you the proper information, not what we think you might want. Finally, I'll end my report with a Quick conversation on the Pickering Corner protests. I'm guessing that's why you folks are here. The Pickering Corner, as you all know, has been a place for what I determined to be peaceful protests for, well, since June of 2025. if I remember correctly. Each Saturday, we have noticed and we have observed any number of a group of people who are peacefully protesting a myriad of things, as is their right. And the police department have had to change and move along with those protests because it's not something that I think that the town has experienced as a weekly event. I do celebrate any American citizen who uses their rights under the Constitution. And I appreciate the fact that the protest will be peaceful and they will be constitutional, because if they are, they are protected. Recently, it has come to my attention that certain counter protesters have either started arriving or have been a little bit more verbal about their counter protest. And for that, we have to refer to our policy and determine whether we have a demonstration or a civil disturbance. Demonstrations are what is protected, civil disturbances are not. As it is right now, if there are two obviously opposing sides in a protest, they all have a right to be there. We don't get to say, I was here first, or I have a louder voice, or I have better signs. You all have a right to be in a public place as long as you're not violating laws that are already withstanding in the town. That said, the department does reserve the right through state statute and policy to separate the groups as long as they are still allowed to peacefully protest on public property. That doesn't mean we're going to bring a school bus and load you all to some other field. but we can have folks move to a certain area or a side of the street as long as your vision or the vision of you is not obstructed to the general public, because that's why you're there in the first place. So we have, I have received some correspondence, I received some phone calls with regard to some concern. Public safety is what we are about. That's what our concern is, number one. And if a demonstration at any time becomes dangerous, it gets shut down. And the courts do support that. I do not want to ever shut down a demonstration. But if someone's safety is at risk, then we will make that decision at that time. What I would ask, if anybody is going to be at this demonstration, that they if they see a police officer is let them know who can be a spokesperson for that group. It just makes it easier. We don't have to yell over PAs and all that other stuff. That's when it gets a little dicey. It's just go up to somebody and politely inform them of what it is that's happening. And then they can let their folks know. And we try to do this as carefully and concertedly as possible while still protecting everyone's right to be there. I think that there are several officers that are working Saturday. They all have been briefed and they do know what the expectations are. Bottom line, for this Saturday and any other day or any other time when a demonstration occurs in the town of Wolfboro, that the requirement by our officers is to ensure that that is a safe and constitutionally protected activity. End of story. The officers' discretion, their capabilities, and the existing policy will be followed. Do you have any questions?

So, Chief, is there any other agency you might REFER THIS TO OR GET INVOLVED WITH THIS AT THIS LEVEL? ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, HAS ANYONE MADE AWARE OF, LIKE, WHAT YOU SAID OF SOME PHONE CALLS YOU RECEIVED OR SOME COMPLAINTS THAT YOU RECEIVED?

I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SEVERAL. THERE ARE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS AWARE OF THE SITUATION SATURDAY AND SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED. by and through the general court, and they have communicated to the attorney general's office what their concerns are with some overt threats or demands of this police department by an outside source. Is that as clear as mud for you? It is.

Okay. And up until this point, Oh, sorry. Up until this point in time, can you tell me how many calls of service the agency has received up until this point in time? None that I'm aware of. So all the protests that we've had at this point, this has not required any police involvement?

I wouldn't say that, but it's more of an informative conversation. I myself have had several conversations with some of the demonstrators about what... is expected behavior. And they were very, very good about it. They said thank you, and they did what they were asked. I think the biggest issue that we've seen is two things. Number one, there is a sidewalk. If anybody's walking on a sidewalk, then anybody who's standing on a sidewalk demonstrating needs to step away from the sidewalk to let the person pass. The other issue would be crossing the road. We've asked that if you need to cross the road, say to go to the Corner Market or the Three Sisters, that you wait, you look both ways, you cross safely even though there is a crosswalk area there, but not to go back and forth as to obstruct the traffic under the guise of going to the store. I've asked that and I think I was polite and asked that they keep that in mind, and I was met with polite response. Thank you.

I'm all set. I don't have any questions.

Good.

Thank you. And that concludes my report to the Commission. Thank you.

Okay, next we're going to move on to Commissioner items. The next meeting will be Thursday, October 8th, 2026, here in the Great Hall at 6 o'clock. And secondly, I just wanted to touch on and follow up on the July meeting. Chairman Duffy had spoken about the third cruiser that the department is about to receive and I've gone to the captain and the chief and asked for some information on what we currently have in the way of vehicles and wanted to get the age and mileage just to get kind of a sense of where we are with our cars and out of that and correct me gentlemen if I'm if I'm wrong, but I From what I gather, we currently have three cars that are being actively used on patrol, correct? Six, eight, and ten?

Six, eight, ten, and five.

Okay. Yeah, five is listed as a supervisor's vehicle. On patrol, yeah. Yeah, okay. But that does go on patrol. But anyways, my point is, all these vehicles, I think the lowest mileage... out of those vehicles is right now currently at about 50,000 miles, and that's a 2023. After that, we've got one with 68,000 miles. Car 5 has 90,000, and then Car 10 has 144,000 miles. So these vehicles are getting old. And as Chairman Duffy had mentioned in the July meeting, An opportunity presented itself where there was a carryover vehicle that a dealership had that apparently another town ended up not taking it, so we had an opportunity to purchase that car at a substantial discount. In doing so, they were able to buy this vehicle for approximately, again, correct me if I'm wrong, about $15,000 less than had they have gone out and bought it just off the shelf, to say. We as a commission, we just want to say that we appreciate the fact that you took the due diligence to take some financial responsibility for this department and go out and purchase this vehicle. It's one that is sorely needed. In doing so, the goal is to try to get into a one car per year rotation. This will allow us to do that. We really appreciate the fact that you gentlemen have taken this on and gotten this car for us. If you'd like to add anything to that?

Yeah, briefly. It's related to the same issue I'd like to bring up. At a recent Budget Committee meeting, some of you may or may not have seen it, members of the Budget Committee, including Mr. Chairman, had made several, I would say, you know, negative comments relative to the chief and his authority to move money from line item to line item within his budget. You know, it should be crystal clear that under the laws of this state, any department head, fire chief, police chief, has a full authority to move money within one line or another within his or her budget as long as they don't exceed the ultimate number, which is the number that the budget committee is set for. Here's your ultimate number. Here's your budget for the year. And it's my understanding that the budget committee needed to seek advice of town council and from the Hampshire Municipal Trust on that issue. We as a commission, and me personally, in town government for close to 40 years now, one way or another, clearly understood that. Everybody understands that, that that's exactly the way it should go. Any department head, such as the fire chief or police chief, they are responsible for the smooth operation of that agency. In my opinion, they should be given the opportunity to do so and do what's best. They are responsible for that, and he knows if things go well, He gets praise. If things don't go well, it's the opposite. He clearly understands that. So unless proven otherwise, it's our position that he's allowed to do that, and we support him 100%. I would challenge anyone within the town to find any other department within the town government that's financially fiscally as efficiently as this department. It's something we on the commission and I know these two gentlemen take very seriously and we spend a lot of time talking about that and constantly searching for new ways to run the department, fulfill all of our responsibilities in the most efficient manner possible. So I commend him on that and I should also mention that in the two last budget cycles, both last year and the year before, the chairman of the budget committee himself publicly called out this agency, this department, for how it runs its budget and how fiscally responsible it operates. That's all.

Thank you. All right, we're going to move on to the select board rep.

thank you oh there it is thanks uh thank you for having me back um just to just to end the conversation about uh the cruiser the facts are that uh chairman duffy did meet with the town manager and myself to talk about the perusal before a decision was taken. So check that box. We did advise or get advice from counsel as to how to go forward, and you're accurate that when you stay within your lines, you're good. The issue we have as a select board is as we look out at the end of the year, we always worry about are we going to finish and are we going to finish on the number? So that conversation took place. So enough on the topic. It is within our responsibility as the select board to curtail spending. That's what we get to do. But at least me personally, and I'll speak only for myself, I don't want to climb all over the police commission and have a decision being made as to what you need to do to fund your operation. You get a budget, stay within your budget, do what you need to do. That's my personal opinion, and I'll stick with it. Update, the other day we had a primary here at town hall. A couple thousand, 2,051 votes, roughly speaking, were cast. It's always a good day to have this happen. We had about 35 new voters get registered the other day. um uh we we got through all of the uh things we had to do by around nine o'clock we signed off on this and i think pat waterman and a few of you stayed until quarter one in the morning because you had to let wmur and all these other folks though so the results were good the chief has confirmed that there are budget reviews that's the fun part of the year that's like going to your dentist on an annual basis Unclear whether the new town manager will be in next week, but it might be a surprise. And I say that because I just don't know whether he's coming aboard, but budget reviews for next year's budget are going to start. We're already in the capital side of the budget reviews. That started several weeks ago. The other evening at the select board, following two public hearings, the board unanimously said that the Libby Museum is not going to get, or is not going to be recommended to be demolished. And we heard the voters loud and clear say, don't do that. And the Libby preservation team and the Friends of the Libby were pretty loud about, and I mean loud, they were forceful in their comments about keeping that. We also took a decision the other night unanimously to have a meeting, if the Charitable Trust Unit of the Attorney General's Office agrees, have a meeting with the Select Board, the Preservation Team, and the Friends, so we can all sit down and clearly figure out together what the path is for us to remove ourselves as trustees and then to begin as trustees. We're not good at this. We don't do this all the time. So we need some professional advice from the AG's office. And hopefully, we'll be able to get that meeting letter. The letter, I think, goes out tomorrow. We're just waiting for the rest of the board to sign it. This coming week, we're going to talk about the water supply Steve Randall's going to update us. You know, there's some folks that are running around, they've got their sprinklers on. We're probably going to start, you know, turning the next crank on this and going to the warning phase that you really shouldn't put your sprinklers on. Clearly, if you have well water, you can do that, but if you're on the public water system, you probably shouldn't do that. All around the state, all around New England, water supplies are starting to go into the wrong direction, even though we're getting a little bit of rain. We showed up on the chart last time a year-over-year comparison of how the water supply has behaved after the fall, after the winter, spring, and how that all works. We need to address maybe having folks be a little more prudent about the use of water And the last, there's a lot of other things to talk about, but the last thing I'll mention is we did receive a petition from the residents of Sewell Road. The speed at Sewell right now is 30, and there's a lot of traffic down Sewell. The good news is you folks have those radar, whatever you call them, buoys or signs, the ask. is to take the 30 mile an hour speed limit and take it down at 25. That's about as far as we can go. We can't go below 25 by statute. So 50 folks signed up for that. And so we vetted the signatures. And I believe the chief and the captain of the highway department are going to get together and get us a recommendation. And then we'll take a decision on that as soon as we can get that through.

A lot of other stuff going on.

Town manager comes in on the 18th officially. You're all invited to the town docks to meet the town manager and hot dog Bob will be there. So it's one of those opportunities to do that. Plus you'll get a chance if you want to meet our new finance director. the person who's running our new rink, as well as our new town planner. A great team of people, I think, to take us forward. So with that, if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer them. If not, I'll go sit down. I'm going to go sit down. Thank you.

The date on that was the 18th in the time?

Yeah, the 18th, 2 to 4 in the afternoon.

2 to 4.

Town docks, rain, if it's a rain date, it'll be in here. I don't know if we're going to be able to get Hot Dog Bob's car up here, but if you're down at the town docks, a good day.

Okay.

Great. Thank you. And we'd like to hear from the budget committee rep if Tom would like to.

Thank you, Chairman, or I should say Rick. I would echo the comments by both you and Commissioner Koop about the responsible way the PD has comported itself with the budgets year after year. I've been the liaison for quite some time between the Budget Committee and the PD, as well as the fire. Thinking back the PD is one of the few that have actually given money back to the town a couple years running in their budget so that Really should be commended Other than that we have our next meeting on the 6th of October So there may be a little bit more to report on things going on on the 8th when you meet again. But I am glad that, and it was, there wasn't complete consensus, but I am glad that the cruiser is coming to town, the new one. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions?

Thank you. No questions. No questions.

No questions. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, at this time, I'd like to open it up to the public, if there's anybody that would like to get up and speak. And if you could, start with your name, please.

Thank you.

My name is Gogi Milner. I am one of the organizers for the Wolfboro Area Peaceful Protests. We've been out there now for over a year and a half. We haven't had any problems and we have found our local PD to be very supportive and helpful. When we've had questions, they help us out. We are experiencing, and thank you, Chief. You've answered lots of questions, and I appreciate your words earlier. We are asking the commission if we can have a police detail there this Saturday. We're seeing an uptick in counter protesters who aren't really there to protest. They're there to disrupt what we're doing. That's their goal. And last Saturday, we had a participant, Representative Mike Belcher, who came and videotaped pretty much the whole time, but there were no problems. And I really left the rally feeling like, well, you know, we got along and nothing bad happened. But he proceeded to write quite a long article in a public social media on a sub stack where he portrayed what happened with a lot of images and false statements and is designed to create violence in our community. And I'm concerned that he's trying to get people upset about things that happened to him that didn't happen and that he will be getting more people to come and support him in his perceived He called a perfectly nice dog an attack dog. He said our sign wouldn't let him escape to the rear. I mean, he really spoke in terms of combat and military readiness. It scared me to read it, and I would feel more comfortable if we had a little more police presence, at least this Saturday. I think he seems dangerous to me, and I'm anxious about it. We're going to proceed and have our rally on Saturday, and probably nothing bad will happen. Nothing has up till now. Thank you, and I can be a contact person. I can give you my card if you're looking for that If you could if you'd like to speak and could give us your name, please

Zoe Dubois, I live in Tuftonboro, and I'm at the rallies every Saturday, and I had the same kind of experience where I thought everything was peaceful this past Saturday, but this Substack article was very disturbing and upsetting, plus the fact that we know that a lot of the other people that are coming are carrying weapons where most of us are not.

If I may, one second. I know, correct me if I'm wrong, you asked for, yeah, thanks, a police detail for Saturday, is that what you were requesting?

Yeah, some sort of presence.

Okay, so that is an operational function of the department and follow under the Chief's authority, and I think you already kind of knew. I'll address that after these folks have had an opportunity. Yeah, so we just want to make sure We communicate well, so he'll touch on that before we leave. You're welcome.

Yes, sir. My name is Jim Clark. I'm from Tufton Borough, and I just want to back up what Gogi is saying and emphasize that it's the first time, and there have been counter-protesters there all along. We're very respectful of them. They're very respectful of us. There's never been an incident. what's happening now is quite different and what is unsettling to a lot of people is these people some of these people are carrying guns and at the very least while it's their right it's obviously totally unnecessary and to some people it's extremely intimidating and it is my opinion just viewing these people there, that they are there for that purpose, to intimidate. And the potential for something to go wrong is increasing dramatically. I'm sure myself, if I saw someone threatened, that I would quickly attempt to help that person or intervene. And knowing that people are carrying guns to these protests, I'm wondering, do I have to start carrying a gun? I mean, this is crazy. So I just want you to be aware of what is happening. It is quite different than what has happened in the past. Nothing like this has ever occurred before. And it would be a good idea just to keep an eye on things. And we see the police go back and forth all the time, maybe pay a little more attention to what's going on, stopping in, having a discussion with the people, just to find out exactly what is happening. I would also like to point out that on October 17th, I believe, is the next Mill King's rally. And it will probably be huge. So I think each time we've had that, there has been a police officer present across the street, just for anything to help people across the street. because the traffic gets kind of crazy. But there could probably be a pretty huge crowd out on that day, and I assume everything will go nicely as it always has. And one last note, I'd like to mention that standing there week after week after week, I am appalled at the rate of speed of vehicles going up Main Street. Not all of them, some of them. I mean, it is. You want to make some extra money? Get out there with some radar. You'll clean up. I mean, it's just insane the speed that these people drive at. And I wish something would be done about it. So that's all I've got to say. Thank you.

Can you tell me your name again? I'm sorry, I didn't hear your name. Jim Clark. Jim Clark? Clark. Oh, Clark. Sorry. Thank you.

Hi, I just want to add a little bit more to that. My name is Chris Hart. I was kind of cited in that article with the dog, the golden dog. It felt like the portrayal was similar to the blacks being German shepherds in Oakland or the Jews in Germany with the Nazis, that the way that he was, you know, painting a picture that's something along the lines of, I was threatening him with my dog. My dog barked. My dog barks when he sees another dog. My dog barks when he wants an extra cookie, and my dog barks when he wants to get gone. But if you want to meet my dog, he's so sweet. And I don't know, the point was that it's inflammatory. So there may be more people coming to the Saturday protests. And I think a suggestion would be to have an officer walk along the sidewalk like five minutes after things begin so they can make suggestions of, you guys, why don't you just work up there and you guys stay down here? Are we cool with that? Because I think everybody could get along with that kind of a decision. But anyhow, if you want to meet my dog, I'd be glad to bring him to the police department. Great dog.

So thank you. Thank you for your time. Is there anybody else from the public who would like to speak at this time? All right. We appreciate your input. And as Commissioner Koop mentioned, we as a commission aren't responsible or it's not part of our duty to be involved in a day-to-day basis. So we're going to pass this on to the chief. And as he said, he'll be in touch.

come up with a solution. I can quickly respond to a couple things that I heard. Number one, special detail is a different situation where you would hire a police officer. There's a minimum mandatory of four hours, and whoever requests that officer would have to pay for that officer. I don't feel that's necessary in this regard, and I don't want you all to have to pay for your protection. You have given me some information, as has the counter protesters, to be fair. All the information I've received has been people concerned about their safety and their protection of their rights. That's what we do. You don't need to pay more to ensure that that occurs. I have scheduled more officers to work on the town's dime, not yours. because the safety of the entire town, not just those at Pickering Corner, but the 6,700 people plus our guests and our workers and everything else deserve that. Officers will be focusing their attention on Pickering Corner and wherever else in town that requires police presence and public safety and property safety. Yes, I would like to meet your dog and we'll do that on occasion, On this occasion, you will see officers. They will make a determination depending on what they see, what they hear, and what their training tells them to do as to what their best course of action is to keep you all safe. I am concerned, however, and it's not to this group, these folks here in front of me, but just generally, where I heard a couple of statements from people who said, well, if they're gonna come, then we're gonna get more people to come. That's a problem. That's adversarial, and that's not what the spirit of demonstration is. Go, demonstrate, exercise your First Amendment right by all means, and when you're done, you're done. We will be there protecting all people within the town of Wolfboro, demonstrators and others, and we'll continue to do so. The last thing I will leave you with is I have received some complaints over the past, oh, maybe 15, 16 months from after the protest. I have received one that occurred during the protest when someone picked up their cell phone, called me and asked me a question about what had just happened. And it was somebody who was rolling coal. And that was right after you first started, you know, the black smoke thing. And we dealt with that. However, Every other complaint I've heard has been at least two days later. We can't do a whole lot. And that came from all sides, if you can call it sides. All different people with all different concerns. They seem to file complaints after Facebook publishes pictures. And now we have complaints. But the complaints didn't occur at the time. So if something is occurring that is concerning to your safety, we need to know about it. Everybody's got a phone. And if you don't, somebody next to you does. Call the police if you're concerned for your safety. I don't want anybody getting hurt because I'll wait till Monday. If it needs to be resolved at that time, let's resolve it. Is there any questions on what I've asked? Could you step up to the mic, please? I can hear you better over there, but nobody else can.

The only time I've contacted the police is immediately after a protest, if something occurred during the protest that I thought needed to be addressed. And there's not a whole lot you can do. There's just not a whole lot that can be done after the fact, even if it's immediately after the fact. The other point I wanted to make clear to you is that our policies are that no weapons of any kind are to be carried by our group. so we're not you don't have to worry about our group we don't allow our if someone's carrying a any kind of weapon a knife or a gun or something that looks threatening they either leave or ask to leave or they put it away in their car if they can't bring it And our policy in terms of disruptions are to deescalate or call the police if we can't handle that. And if that doesn't happen, our plan is to disperse. We're not looking to engage. Engaging is like off the table.

Just as I can't and I will not enforce your policy with my authority, I won't enforce them to not have our rights. Sure.

I just wanted you to know we thought about it a lot and we're working towards a peaceful expression of our feelings and our rights.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any other public input? Bernie, we haven't heard from you yet. All right. Well, with that, I think I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. I'll make a motion to adjourn. And I will second that. So moved.