City Council - Regular Meeting

Just tell her because here Good evening one. Good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's Williamsport City Council meeting. Today is Thursday, January 22nd, 2026. It is 700 p.m. here at Trade and Transit 2. Please rise for the invocation by Councilman Adam Yoder.

Lord, quiet the noise that pulls us from what matters. Help us set aside the distractions, the urgent that drowns out the important and the divisions that obscure our common work. Give us clear minds to see our neighbors needs, steady hands to do the work before us, and humble hearts to serve the community well. May we leave this place more focused on our purpose, to build a city where we can all flourish and to tend to the common good with wisdom and care. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Item number three, approval of city council meeting minutes from January 8th, 2026. Do I have a motion?

So moved. Second. Any questions about the meeting minutes? Seeing hearing none. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milligan. Yes. Mr. Mackey. Yes. Mrs. Catz. Yes. Mr. Pizzy. Yes. Mr. Ber. Yes. Motion passes 6. Thank you very much. Uh, item number four, limited courtesy of the floor. I believe we've had no requests this evening. Is that correct? That's correct.

Thank you very much. All right. And we do have some guests here tonight. So, we're going to jump around just a little bit. Uh we will jump down first to item number 13, resolution rejecting all quotes received for emergency owner occupied housing rehabilitation and authorizing the city to take such action that is necessary to obtain a reasonable quote. Do I have a motion? Please. move. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much. Um, so tonight we are here to talk about the community development block grant emergency rehab program. Um, we put out bids for three homes that are involved in this program. Um, we unfortunately only received one bid each for two of the homes and zero bids for the the final home. Um, so unfortunately we're able we have to reject those per our procurement uh standards. Um the program itself um our office runs and basically what we do is we field calls from homeowners who have emergencies. So roofs um you know plumbing issues, things like that that are can't wait for us to um move on other funding programs or refer them out to other agencies. Um and so they come to us, we're able to work them through a limited pool of CDBG funds that we have set aside each year. And um we're able to work through that with uh Jamie Schrodder from Cedicog um who does a lot of the intake and things of that nature and then she helps us to procure bids for these um homeowners. The issue that we sort of I think ran into this time was that the um when we went out for the pre-bids, we had a lot of questions from the contractors specifically regarding like bid specs and things like that. Um because I'm not trained to do, you know, I can go out and help with our codes team and and see like this is an issue and we need to, you know, fix it. I can anyone can look at a roof and see a giant hole and say we we need to, you know, make this not have that. Um so, uh but unfortunately, we don't have anyone on our team, whether it's our staff or codes department, that can go out and say, "Yes, there's a problem here, but this is how we fix it. This is how much it would cost so that we can go out and get good bids for the city um and for the homeowners." So, our ask here tonight is to unfortunately reject the two the bids that we receive for these homeowners, but then um allow us to move forward in

a way that helps us um secure better bids for not just these folks, but for anyone else who comes through this program. Thank you very much for that. Are there any questions for members of council regarding this? How many biders How many contractors would you say you had express initial interest versus So we had six I believe at our pre-bids um for these homes um and we only had one put in a formal bid on two of the homes and then he didn't submit a bid for the third home and the complication with the third home was more complicated I

uh yeah um it was the the issues were so they had roof issue and they had a plumbing issue and there are not a lot of roofers who do plumbing and there are not a lot of plumbers who do roofing. So, um, so you would have had to have a a multi-purpose. Yeah. And I I think you know they they may have been willing to sub out either whichever they weren't qualified for, but without having proper bid specs for them to take to potential subcontractors and stuff, it just made it way more difficult than Yeah. it needed to be for on their end to justify putting in a a bid for a singular home like this,

right? And the um how much money do we generally have to spend on these rens? I mean, I understand it's partly predicated on what the bid is, but Yeah. So, we I mean, annually um our department sets 75,000 aside per year for these homes. Um and then however many homes is just predicated on how much each individual project costs. We try we we're able to pre-qualify them, like we're able to, you know, work them through the income verification process in advance. Um, but it's one of those ones where if we do these three homes and we have five on the waiting list, we got to wait till next year or try and find them

other resources, whether it be, you know, one of our community action agencies or or whatever the case may be. Understood. Um, and and what's the proposed solution for the uh lack of expertise in the department. So, um we have a an RFP ready that we would go out and solicit for inspector services where basically they would be qualified to help us identify they would do the the initial site walk with me so that we're able to say like, "Yeah, there's a hole in the roof, but what's causing it?" You know, and things like that. but then also be able to give us a approximate cost so that we're able to tell them, you know, like we know what's within the 8120% CDBG allowable range,

right? Yeah. I got to say it does seem like the program comes with so much paperwork that it would be daunting as a contractor to take that on. So, yeah, seems like we're going to need to really meet people where they're at if we're going to get anywhere with it. Thanks, Austin. Thank you. Is there anything else regarding sign? Eric, I have a question. Yes, Bonnie.

Bonnie, I think you're muted. Thank you. I'm so sorry I took my finger off. Uh um from what I understand, and this goes back years, is that we have a list of people that do electricity, electric. Wouldn't it be uh maybe to our advantage if we also started maintaining a list of uh people for roofing and and for you know infrastructure you know I think it might help you it might help everybody. Do you think that's or is that too overcoming at this point?

No I think um that's certainly within like what our staff is is working on in in coordination with um Jamie at Cedakog. know um this initial outreach we did have you know lists of of um contractors that prior staff had utilized um we also used the uh chamber they have like the the listing there that we were able to tap into. Our goal here is that as we are able to um work with these different contractors, we'll be able to, you know, have a list that we know are are pre-qualified, for lack of a better term, um and able to, you know, be utilized for these projects. Um we know that they do good work. We know that they are able to put in bids that are affordable. Um and so that's that's our goal here, but moving forward, we're kind of starting from a a blank slate.

Got it. I can understand that. and I you know uh you're we're on the same path I think finding the right people to do this. Thank you. Thank you. One last question. Go right ahead. Austin, the professional services, I'm assuming, will not come back before us for any sort of approval, right? You guys can go straight ahead and hire the housing rehab inspector without I believe so. Yes. Okay. Okay. I was going to say professional services do not require three quotes. So you you should be good. And I'm assuming it won't come out to an amount that would require council approval. I don't believe so. No.

And if you wouldn't mind if I could jump in. This is Jamie real quick. Um I just wanted to let everybody know I did have a conversation today with Joe Lions who is um with I just looked at it and I can't remember. Code inspections. He works with the redevelopment authority on their stuff and he also works with Clinton County on their and he's wellversed in all of these programs. So, it's very encouraging. He plans to put in a proposal for this program. So, that makes me happy that we do at least have one code agency that knows what's going on with this program and knows what they're doing. So, I think we'll get a positive response to our requests for quotes for this upcoming effort. Thank you for that, Jamie.

Sure. Uh my my question and maybe somebody with more construction knowledge than myself can answer this, but is this not you say we don't have anybody on the codes department currently that can do this. Is this not something you can learn how to do? Would that be more cost effective to teaching our codes guys how to do this as opposed to going out and hiring a third party contractor? BCO can't do it. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm not that conversation with Gary. I'm I'm I'm not going to half their department. They did do the thankfully they were able to go out and do the initial ones with me. Um because otherwise it would have just been me walking through folks homes trying to go, "Yeah, that's that's bad." All right. And and so um

yeah, you know, we definitely shouldn't be a hole there. I guess my again

um to add a little bit of clarification. I think what the issue was was really so yes the codes department did go out with Austin and look at all these projects and say you know this is not meeting code this door is insufficient. This roof is insufficient. What we came up against was we could tell you and you and you and you that we need a new exterior door and you may buy a $6,000 door and you may buy an $800 door and you may buy a $2,000 door. So, we would have contractors coming in and looking at it and saying, "Hey, we'll get a door for that." And one of them is coming back and quoting, you know, your basic $800 door. One of them is coming back and quoting a $4,000 door. So, we need someone in the middle who's like actually writing up

specs specs like actual project specs to say you need to source this exact thing. You need to source this exact material. You need to do it in this exact way. And that's where we're not comfortable as a department giving those construction specs. So, that we were not able to get from the codes department. Well, again, my question is, is that something that somebody at the codes department who should already have some knowledge on homes and what take what it takes to get them up to code to to to be able to do something like that? Like again, I don't know what training is involved in this. I mean,

it doesn't strike me as exactly a code's function, which is why it's curious to me that Jamie is saying that there's another codes department. You know what I mean? Like, it's it is different. Writing bid specs is not a standard. I I'm not saying that our codes department could learn to do it as well as anybody else, but I'm curious that there is a codes department that proposes to provide that. I believe the gentleman that she's referring to has a business that does codes. Okay. Yeah, it's it's a much larger undertaking than just code enforcement. It's it's a code assessment they're called. They they do I can only just say birth to burial. they do everything with all of these projects. So,

and I think it's a I think it's it's a couple things. It's um one, if we just identify someone who is willing to do this work for us, and they're just sort of, for a lack of better word, baked into the project, right? When we identify them, they come out, they do the specs, we're able to, you know, pay them with CDBG funds that, you know, that's where the money from this project comes out of. it would be a very small cost to incur in order to have really consistent bid specs for us to be able to do this work without going back and forth with contractors. And the second thing is um it's our hope that we're able to identify more diverse funding sources that will allow us to do home rehab projects without using CDBG funds. there are higher uses of CDBG funds and um there are funding sources that allow us to do this type of work with much less red tape and much less compliance. So um we are using our CDBG funds to do home rehab projects because there is a great need in the city and we have not yet been awarded a different funding source but we have already put in some applications for some other funding sources. So to answer your question, John, I think um this is a band-aid for this year in order to get through these projects and then we'll take a step back and look and see whether or not this program continues with this funding source and if it does, what's the what's the best way to make that happen?

Great. Okay. And then I guess just generally speaking and and maybe this has been discussed at some point in the last six years since I've been here, but how do people exactly find out about this program? what kind of efforts are being made to let the community at large know that this is out there for them to utilize if they qualify for it and need it?

Yep. So, at this point, um we work with all the other housing service providers that provide similar services. So, STEPPP will give people our information and take referrals. Um they get referrals from thousands, I think it's like 3,700 families that they serve every year. So, if they have families that they can't serve through their home rehab program, um they'll refer them to us. Right now, it's uh calls that just come in to Austin's office and he fields them and there's no need to advertise the program beyond just getting referrals from social service agencies and the calls that we just sort of, you know, naturally take by someone saying, "Hey, reach out to the city, reach out to the mayor." Um Austin works with the Center for Independent Living. A lot of the calls come from relationships with them because people are seeking accessibility improvements to their homes and things like that. So, it's mostly the the local agencies that are already serving these priority populations that are making the referrals to us.

Yeah. All right. Thank you very much for that. Seeing hearing nothing else then, Mrs. Frank. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milikin. Yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Mey, yes. Mr. Bizzy, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. Thank you, Edward House. Uh, we'll move on to item number 14, resolution of the city council approving a substantial amendment to the home ARP allocation pro plan. Can I have a motion, please? So moved.

Yes. Good evening. Thank you. Um, as you'll remember, the city received $888,134,000 um in home ARP funds, which was a uh COVID specific home allocation that we received in 2021. Um, those funds were to be used to further the work of um, homeless service providers essentially in the city during COVID and try to offer some additional resources to them. Um Jamie Shrader has been working with us on this and I'm going to default to her to explain the details of this substantial amendment that we're proposing.

Sure. Thank you. So the city originally allocated funds to the YW.CA for acquisition and development of non- congregate shelter work and also to um no one in particular at the time for development affordable rental housing. However, we did not get any proposals from developers for the affordable rental housing piece and the piece with the YW.CA for the non- congregate shelter. Once we reviewed all of the regulations that HUD had in place for the home ARP program, it was really discovered that the YW.CA could not meet all of those regulations. For instance, they wanted each new unit to have their own bathroom. there's there's just no space at the YW.C.A for that kind of thing. However, STEPPP, who put in for supportive services and capacity and operations, um did have additional need for funding for those programs. So, it is our recommendation for your home ARP funding that you move the funding out of the non- congregate shelter and development of rental housing into additional supportive services that will be offered by STEPP and a little bit out of the operating funds which will also go into the supportive services. STEP didn't need quite as much operating money as was originally allocated. So, that is what we are proposing as the amendment for your home ARP funds. Are there any questions regarding this item? Liz Millie,

thanks. Um, yeah, just uh is STEP's need for additional funding and supportive services. Is that money actually going to fund new supportive services or is it backfilling um monies that they didn't receive in some other area? That's a great question. Go ahead, Jamie. Nope, go ahead. I was just going to say I think it's kind of a combination of both. So, there are new programs that would be available through home ARP and I I've read about them. I can't speak to them specifically right off the top of my head. I have the paperwork in front of me, but it would take a while to go through all of the things that are applicable to the home. I was just looking for a highle answer. I don't even know what's

Yeah. So, there are a whole bunch of things that they can do to help prevent and um deal with homelessness. Housing counseling, mental health, uh counseling, um rental assistance, transportation assistance. It's really a whole lot of categories that they could put the funding towards. So, I think both it can support what they are already doing and some new services they intend to offer.

Excellent. I can add, Liz, one of the things that Michelle shared with us when we spoke with them about this was um they had a funding source that either they were seeking or they had previously that was not renewed that was helping the individuals who are staying at code blue, the shelter at First Church. So, STEPP is providing um essentially case management services to those individuals and their funding source that they had for that um fell through. So, we will be able to fund that with these funds, which Okay. I'm really excited about personally. Yeah, that's awesome. Is it does it get them an additional year or longer than that?

Um, this uh Jamie, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this will be a three-year spend down. They have to have these funds spent by the end of 2030. So, this will give them the ability to do that for three years. Good. Yep. Excellent. All right. Thank you, guys. Any other questions regarding this item? Seeing hearing none, Mrs. Frank. Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milikin, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Mey, yes. Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Ber,

yes. Motion passes 70. We'll we'll move to item number 15, please. Resolution authorizing award of professional services to Hunt Engineer Architects, Land Surveyors, and Landscaping Architect LLC for engineering services to construct improvements to Newberry Park. Can I have a motion, please? So moved.

Great. Thank you. Uh, this one may look a little familiar to you. Um, we had previously awarded engineering services for Newberry Park to Bricks and, uh, BRICS has since dissolved. So they were not able to fulfill their contract with the city. So we had to seek additional um engineering services for this and we proposed to work with Hunt. So uh Chris Kaiser who was previously working at BRICS is now working at Hunt. So we'll have the opportunity to retain his knowledge of the project and um get the engineering finished this winter so that we can break ground on this park in the spring. um which is very important because some of the funds uh through HUD that are in this park project are set to expire in August of 2026. So it's very important that we keep this project moving.

Liz me any additional cost to the city from the dissolution of one firm and switch to another? Good. None. Excellent. Thank you. Any other questions related to this item? Seeing hearing none. Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milikin, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Millie, yes. Mr. Bizzy, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. Item number 16, please. Resolution of the city council approving a minor amendment to the fiscal year 2020 action plan to CDBG.

Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Thank you. I will defer to Jamie on this one, please. Jamie. Sure. Absolutely. So, originally we had allocated $98,38016 to the fire department for the purchase of um SCBA, the self-contained breathing apparatus. However, um they have additional funds that they weren't able to spend just because of timing and availability of equipment. So, there is $9,471.74 left after they purchase their SCBA units that we are proposing that we put into the purchase of their rescue boat.

Are there any questions related to this item? Liz Millie, just did the cost of the rescue boat go up? I thought we actually had funding for the remaining cost of the rescue boat. We estimate the fund for the rescue boat to be at around a h 100,000. This is a little above that, but if there is funding left in the rescue boat, we'll put it into something else. We just have to spend the old money first. So, the most important thing is that we put the old money into what's going to spend it first and we spend it. Got it. So, basically, we're moving 9,000 in. We're spending that 9,000 plus possibly an additional six and then maybe moving 9,000 back out to another P. Maybe with Yep. We'll just we'll just keep moving.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Jamie. Sure. Are there any other questions related to the site? Seeing and hearing none. Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milik, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Mey, yes. Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Ryder, yes. Motion passes 70. We're going to move on up then to item number eight because we have another guest online. Resolution to accept the fiscal year 2024 audit reports. Can I have a motion, please? So move.

Good evening, council. Um, well, we've been waiting a long time for this, but this is a resolution to accept the 2024 audit report. Um, I do have Dustin from Mardis um on the line and he has a PowerPoint that's up on the screen for the presentation for the 2024 audit. Thank you. Any everyone able to see my screen? Okay. And hear me? Okay. Yes, sir. Yep.

Great. Thank you. Uh, appreciate the opportunity to uh report tonight. Um, I have a PowerPoint that I'm going to keep things to a high level, but please feel free um to stop me at any point if you have any additional questions. Uh, first off, I'm Dustin Star with Mardis CPAs. Um, I served as the audit principal and this is our first year um working with the city and providing um audit services. Um the reporting package um that is in draft currently in draft form but is ready to be finalized upon approval includes various documents and deliverables. Um the single audit includes the audited financial statements as well as additional reports over federal funding communication of those charged with governance letter. uh the DCD annual um audit report filing, a legal ad that is summarized from the DCD annual report, as well as the single audit data collection form that's required to be um included along with a copy of the single audit to the federal clearing house. So to start things off, our required audit communications uh management responsibilities versus the auditor's responsibilities, the books and records and information is the city's responsibility. Um we are engaged to um prepare the financial statements. Um however, the financial statements including the footnote disclosures is all derived from the information provided by management. Our responsibility as the independent auditor is then to provide audit opinions. I'm going to touch on each of these three opinions um in a in a uh following slide. However, there's three reports that we issue. A financial statement driven um opinion, an opinion on government auditing standards, and

then uh an opinion on uniform guidance over federal funding that was expended during the year. Um included within um the financial statements include significant accounting policies all of which adhere to generally accepted accounting um practices. Accounting estimates um all financial statements have an element of estimates found within them. The two largest estimates include the liability for pension and opeds. Um, opeds is other post-employment benefits um, particularly relating to insuranceances provided uh, to retirees. Um, those liabilities are actuarily uh, determined um, and included within the financial statements based off of the information that's uh, provided from management to the actuary and then reviewed and audited uh, by us. sensitive disclosures found within the financial statements in note one includes an update to the repayment of FTA funds. Um this is a a footnote that was also um reported in the prior year um and continues with some additional disclosure around that repayment agreement. I'm glad to report back we had no significant corrected misstate misstatements and no significant audit adjustments. Therefore, the information that's being reviewed on a routine basis um is factual and does a agree in uh conjunction with the audited financial statements. Also glad to report back we had no no disagreements or diff difficulties with management and performing our audit procedures. Upon the conclusion of the audit, we will obtain management representations. essentially a letter that's that's given to us to note that anything that we inquired about the information that we received was all factual and that nothing was withheld from us. We're not aware of any consultations with other independent accountants and we had no

issues discussed that were contingent upon us being retained as the independent auditors. So now the audit results um we had an unmodified or a clean audit opinion um on the government funds, the business type activities and each major fund and aggregate remaining um fund information. Um and an adverse opinion on the aggregately discreeted um presented component unit. Um uh this is uh consistent with the prior year results um that that adverse opinion is due to the fact that the Williamsport uh parking authority is not included in the financial reporting um entity. However, under um uh government um auditing and government um accounting standards um that entity should be included within the financial statements. that information is not readily available um and upto-date as audited information um for the calendar year 2024. Therefore um there is an adverse opinion on such and related finding um regarding that exclusion from the reporting entity a uniform guidance results. Uh so this is then uh discussing the federal awards that were expended during the year. Um our major program in making up you know the significant portion of the total of the 5.4 million that was expended during the year um was for the state and local fiscal recovery funds referred to as the ARPA funds. Um single audit reporting we had a unmodified or clean opinion on compliance. Um however a finding over internal controls over um reporting uh similar to um a repeat finding from the prior year. However, um the internal

controls over that reporting um has continued to improve and did not affect um our opinion on compliance. Therefore, we're stating that the information itself did was not indictive of um a misstatement of what it's being reported um as required under the the federal expenditures. However, improvements over internal controls to continue to um improve that reporting process was noted. Reporting structure, uh governmental financial statements are relatively complex. Um there's an entitywide uh financial statement that has a long-term approach and includes long-term assets and liabilities. You have fund financial statements that's found on page 3 through 12. And that is what um most are used to understanding and seeing as part of an overall day-to-day operational standpoint and includes a more of a short-term focus. Then you're required to have uh note disclosures about both the entitywide and fund um financial statements. Found within the fund financial statements, there's government funds and business type funds. The only business type fund the city currently um reports is an internal service fund um that then provides services to the governmental funds. So then moving on to some financial highlights um overall change in fund balance and I I will state that a lot of the graphs and information I'm about to present is pertaining directly to the fund financial statements. Um so across the board you have the major the funds that qualify as major funds and then the aggregate non- major and overall uh positive increase in fund balance um for

the calendar year 24 ended at a positive 1.5 uh million and is then made up across those categories. Focusing in on the general fund, uh general fund fund balance, um as of December 24th, um was a total 12.5 million and is then broken up among these three categories. Unassigned fund balance in which there's no restriction or earmarking um for that particular uh uh section of fund balance of 3.6 million. um committed 5.9 million for emergency reserve funds and then three million assigned um for future uh budget deficits. Having trouble with this slide. You're not able to see the um I'm having trouble with this slide. You you can't see the legend or anything, can you?

No, we cannot.

One second. I apologize. What about you guys? That's very odd. I'm going to go to a different view here. Hey Jamie, real quick. Yeah, that um the positive fund balance, the 1 million increase in the general fund and across the board 1.5, was that what we projected when we were working on the 26 budget? Yes, all the numbers that were used in this audit were all used in the 24 budget, like in the 24 side of the budget. So, yep. Well, in the budget reflected every number that they got. So, okay. I apologize for that. The um slideshow view for some reason is messing up the legend. So, I'm going to use this view. Can everyone see that? Okay. Yep.

Okay. Um moving on to the other governmental funds. Um so, this is everything except for the general fund. um total of 7.1 million and then is earmarked um for these particular funds or for these particular purposes. Sorry. Um restricted for the home program of 1.1 million um restricted for grants various grants um that must be used in which those grants have restrictions for. um restricted for liquid fuels, restricted for other purposes, which is a very small percentage um of approximately uh $20,000. And then committed capital projects making up a large portion um of 2.2 million as of December 24th. Moving on to uh the general fund revenues um budget verse actual, you can see the the uh large categories that make up the overall um revenue budget with by far the largest portion being taxes. Um the dark blue being the budget, the light blue being the actual um actual t taxes came in over budget. Licenses, permits, interest and rents um also came in over budget. Uh intergovernmental revenue slightly under budget and then all other areas uh slightly over budget. there was an overall net positive meaning um revenues actual revenues exceeded the budget of approximately 600,000. Then moving on to the expense side. Um here all categories had uh positive budget verse actual meaning that the

actual expenditures were less than budgeted and the overall um budget versus actual variance was 1.5 million um meaning 1.5 million um less than budgeted for 2024. Okay. So then moving on, as I mentioned, uh governmental financial statements require also a long-term look. Um in the governmentwide financial statements, you're required then to report um long-term assets, including um capital assets. Here's a summary of capital assets that are reported within the financial statements. Um total depreciated and undepreciated items uh items not being depreciated including land and any construction in progress of approximately 2.6 million. Um capital assets being depreciated um included various categories. Um net of depreciation of approximately 35 million for overall governmental activities um capital assets of approximately 38 million as of uh December 2024. Additionally found in the governmentwide financial statements is long-term debt. Um the the city has the the following uh bonds and notes payable for an ending balance as of December 31, 2024 of approximately $15 million of bonds and debt including notes payable.

That's our full debt amount currently that we're holding. Yes, that would be the full debt amount if you look at the current portion. um 1.3 million will be um the debt service of just principal um due in the in the following year meaning as of what was paid in 2025. Understood. But I I had thought that we were still carrying a little bit more debt than that with the debt we absorbed from RBT. 15 million is the total right now across all of our aside from Yeah. I mean these are the numbers that Aside from just Yeah. Okay. I mean these are the the bonds that we have. Aside from obviously the unudited parking authority, correct? Yeah, their their portion is included in that. It is I believe so.

So that includes all debt across all branches. Yep. All all debt um issuance um so bond issuance that are in the name of the city. Yes. Which did the parking authorities included in our bill. Got it. Yes. Now this includes um bonds and notes. I'm sorry. Sorry. No. Okay. This includes bonds and notes only. So there is also um payables and receivables related to ongoing activity between those entities. So this is just including any long-term debt. Got it. Thank you. Yep.

Additionally, um pension liabilities and OPED liabilities are required to also be included in the governmentwide financial statements. And this takes a long-term approach of what is held in trust by uh the pension funds versus what the overall liability is expected to be. Um this graph here shows how that how sensitive that can be depending on if there's a 1% increase um in the overall earnings of the uh trust funds or a 1% decrease in the trust funds. So think of it as if the investments outperform what the actuaries are expecting um that liability would significantly go down. So that would be the items that are moving down towards the the the smaller amounts um or on the um right side. If the assets underperform by 1% that liability would increase um significantly. Um overall the sum of the net pension liability of all three pension plans was approximately $9 million as of uh year end 2024. Um one plan actually dipped into what we call a net pension asset meaning that the the trust funds are in excess of the expected liability. That also relates to an overall positive investment year. um if the investment rate would decrease only 1% that would then here in this case being the red line would actually turn into a pension liability. So this this uh graph is just to depict this liability changes significantly from one year to the next depending on how well the pension trust funds perform from one year to the next.

Can I follow up on that real quick too? Sure. You said that so 2024 in other words was a good year for our pensions. Correct. Okay. And a good year for the stock market consequently. Um have you delved into 25 to look at those that I'm just kind of curious. I we we have not. Yeah. This is also a actuarial provided information. Um, so the the city's hired actuary um puts all this information together depending actuary doesn't Yeah, that's what I was right. I mean, I know that we were we're working off the 23 valuation now, but they just requested the information

for um 2025. So, we'll be providing that to the actuary soon. Got it. Hasn't been got there yet.

Yeah, of course. Um anyway, good to know that we were better off there for a second at least. And also too, this this liability um is a long-term approach. So if you think of more of how things are being funded from one year to the next, all um MMOs are the minimum municipal obligation that's being paid into those plans are being met from one year to the next. So if you kind of think of, you know, you you continue to have the operating funds and make those payments as they become due, that liability will continue to shrink depending on how well the pension plan is funded. Um, most pension plans are not 100% funded because this liability is a long-term approach and as you continue to fund that based off of what your annual contributions are, you'll be you'll be good in the end. Um, so the the liability itself is typically something that um isn't a major concern. The more of the concern is are you continuing to make your annual contributions in which the city has.

Um, but we are not funding our opeds at all. Right. So this graph does not reflect the other post-employment benefits

and that's actually that's a good segue right into the OPED liability. So this liability is significantly higher um than the pension plan. Um the the big difference here is exactly what was said there. There is no trust for the OPED plan. Um the the state requirement is that you must have a trust for your pension plans. there is no statutory um requirement to have a trust for an OPED plan. Um across the board in local governments in Pennsylvania um the OPED liability is significantly higher um than pension plans um because most municipalities don't have a trust for their OPED plan. Um the fund as you go idea for OPED plans is typically how things are be are are funded. So, as insurance premiums come due, that's paid with with any operating um reserves that are that that are there rather than having the trust um make those payments. This is then depicting kind of the same idea. However, we looked at how well the investments perform with the the OPEDs. There is no trust. So, this is then looking at the health care cost trend rate. So, if um healthcare costs would go up 1% um the increase in liability would be about $11 million. If cost would go down 1% it would decrease by about a $9 million. Mhm.

Any other questions, financial highlights or regarding um the audit opinions?

Doesn't seem like we have any here. Okay. Thank you, Dustin.

Yeah. And I and I would like to uh to to thank uh Jamie and and all of her crew. Um first year audit definitely have a lot of of uh learning to do and you know cross referencing each other with different what we call different things. Um and just to turn the audit around essentially in 3 months. Um it had to take uh good cooperation from everyone from the city as well as you know our staff as well too. So, I really appreciate the opportunity of working with the city um and and turning around an audit in a relatively short period of time, especially uh a first year for us. Uh the question that I have then is the 2025 audit. Um obviously we're closing out books on that and we've got other things that are coming in at that point in time. Um

yep, with the approval of this tonight, we will now be in compliance of our city audits. Our 2025 audit will be due in the fall. Um Dustin, I think we talked about starting that in June. Yeah. Um we we have time scheduled to start a little bit before then um with the idea of wrapping up no later than shortly after the June to July time frame.

Yeah. So, uh the preparation for the audit is it's we've started. So, um, we're trying to close out all of the 2025 stuff, still getting in the 2025, the end of the year stuff, and then it'll be crunch time, and we should be on time for our 2025 audit. Liz,

um, just a question. So, at this point, um we are not that we're eager to go out for um further debt or anything like that, but the city is is in a fiscally responsible position. Um Dustin, in your opinion, and you probably have no opinion on this, but um is the city does the audit that you just provided coupled with a clean audit for 23 as well um effectively make up for a handful of years where we have

That's a that's a really good question. Um that has to be determined by bond council or who is willing to back the debt essentially at that point. Um, I can't say that I I I know that question, the answer to that question off the top of my head. Um, but I do think that um having strong financial position um in most cases hopefully would outweigh any, you know, prior year issues with um filings, right? if if you're able to issue debt and show that you're able to pay that and have a plan of having everything continue to be filed, um I think that that would be a very positive outlook in order to possibly issue in the in the near future.

It would seem to me that it would also be an indication that we continued to pay our debt even while our we somewhat had our books in dis. Um, so you consider us to be in a strong financial position comparable to other communities in the Commonwealth?

Yes. Um, the the OPED liability and pension liability definitely skews things. Um, if you focus in on your fund financial statements, um, that's where you show a lot more strength and that's consistent um, amongst most municipalities. as you continue to to um grow fund balance as well too. As I mentioned, it was a a positive 1 point uh 1.5 million roughly of an increase in in fund balance. There was an increase in um 2023. Don't know exactly where things are at in 2025 since we haven't started that that process. Um, but if you have consistent growth, um, that will definitely help as well to, um, to prove that you're able to take on debt and and make those debt service payments.

And it does not hurt our financial position, the fact that we used several million dollars worth of American Rescue Plan Act funding to balance our budget in 24. It can. Yeah, it definitely can. However, I guess what I'm saying to you is 25 is going to begin to look a little thinner on the ground perhaps because there won't be that balancing um happening.

Um Jamie, maybe you can you can talk a little bit more with specifics, but I believe revenue loss for 2024 was significantly less than what was in the past. um where then expenditures that were left, I'm sorry, the funds that were left and spent ear were earmarked for expenditures um not all of which necessarily are reoccurring expenditures. Yes, there's definitely things that were spent that um will improve um you know, equipment and such. Um but once that equipment is is purchased, there might not be as much need to incur those expenditures in the future. Um, kind of where you get into that situation is where all of the American Rescue funds were used for revenue loss. Um, and in that situation, municipalities are in a much harder um, standpoint when all of that that those funds have dried up. So essentially 100% used towards balancing your budget and not necessarily having earmarked expenditures that eventually will fall off once those um, funds are spent. Thank Thank you very much, Lesie.

Yeah, we were pretty good with the spread out, so I agree with everything he just said. Yeah. Thank you. Are there any other questions related to the audit? I just want to say thank you for all your hard work. Thank Thank you, Dustin. But Jamie, to you and your team, I this is a whole lot of leg work and this is um this is great. We got a completed audit. So, nice work. Compliant. Yes. That's awesome. Thanks for your hard work. Thank you. Seeing hearing nothing else, this is Frank. Mr. Yoda, yes. Mr. Milligan, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Millie, yes.

Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. So, we will get back to our regularly scheduled program at the moment. Uh we will go up to item number five. An ordinance of the city council of the city of Williamsport placing a government study commission question on the 2026 primary election ballot and designating the number of members to serve on said commission in final reading. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Second.

Are there any questions regarding the um second vote for this item? I have no questions, but I would like to thank Adam Yoda for presenting it for me last time. No problem. Seeing hearing nothing else, nothing else. Mrs. Frank. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milikin. Yes. Mr. Mackey. Yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Millie, yes. Mr. Pelosi, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. Item number six, please.

An ordinance repealing and reenacting the section 111.02 of the codified ordinances and first reading. Can I have a motion, please? Move. Second.

All right. So, my name is listed here. So, I guess I'll be taking the majority of this one, but then I'll turn it over for the finer things to our solicitor. Uh, so this is a point that had been brought up um at the beginning of last year. Councilman Mackey uh felt very strongly about it and we stowed over it for a while. Uh so we decided uh that we were going to take our committee structure and change that up a little bit and rather than eliminating all of our committees because that would do a uh a number on our ordinance that we have on the books already. We decided to simply add uh what we are going to be calling um the committee of the whole. This will allow us as a body of council to meet discuss things at committee like we normally would whether it would be the finance committee um public safety public works um and if you went through the or uh the ordinance itself we have economic revitalization we have housing needs we have um where was the other one committee of transportation oversight there's quite a bit of other committees out there so this is just going to simply allow us to meet whether it be all of us at once or a minimum of three of us and have the discussions that we normally would um at a committee meeting. Now it's up to us in the meantime between now and two weeks from now to have the discussion about when the appropriate time is going to be. Uh this will make us much more efficient as well when it comes to getting members of council together that have areas of expertise when it comes to the particular items on the agenda for the committee meeting as well as getting members of the administration together. So that way they can use their time efficiently and not attend three or four different um committee meetings to talk about something and then have to follow up with somebody else um after the fact because they weren't there and so on and so forth. So Mr. Grimes, anything that I missed in that?

Not really. I mean committees are are generally administrative functions of city council. So you guys have control over how committees operate. Um you have chosen in your ordinance is to lay out how those committees work. Um, adding this as a committee of the whole in addition to the other committees means that you don't have to change all kinds of other pieces of your ordinance, but it also allows you to operate as you are for right now until you're ready to decide and to work through how a committee of the whole works because it's administrative. So, you guys get to decide how those function. Um, but we've kept the same um quorum requirements for the committee of the whole, but otherwise it just gives you some more flexibility, which is not unusual. Well, there's other um municipalities and some the size of Williamsport, including I think Lancaster and Hazelton that both use a a similar method as this for their committees.

Thank you very much, Liz Millie. I missed a lot of the discussion on this, so you'll excuse me if I'm um retreading things, but just so I understand, the proposal then is that we will have a bi-weekly committee of the whole meeting um prior to a council meeting to vet agenda items. That is correct. And then individual committees will meet um as necessary for public safety related things, housing needs related things. That's correct. In the way that some of our committees have functioned for quite a while because some of them have not done much lifting at all. Um the proposal then for the committee of the whole is an in-person meeting. Uh no, it is not a proposal for an in-person meeting.

Okay. Um the reason I'm asking that isn't the mention of a vote. Um because there have been some sort of I don't know there have been issues with us voting in a noninperson meeting like a like a Zoom meeting. Correct. And the way that we've handled that in our committee meetings prior to this was simply not recommending recommending anything before a vote in that committee meeting. So the proposal is effectively the same. Then we will have a single committee meeting probably on a Tuesday and it will be a Zoom meeting and it will be a Whoever shows up shows up sort of affair.

Uh what the goal is and what we need to discuss amongst ourselves is assigning certain members of council for a two or three month stretch. Okay. Make sure that if they can't be there, they can find the alternate within the group. Um however, if it's a time that's advantageous for everybody and we all happen to be there, we all happen to be there. Okay. Okay. Well, I I understand the idea of not doing away with all of the other committees, but as I see it, while those will still be included in the ordinance, this committee of the whole kind of is taking their place. Correct.

Right. So that we are not we're we're only we're only meeting in committee for the most important things that need that time. Right. So that could be a public safety issue. It could be a finance issue. It could be a public works issue, but instead of assigning it to one of these specific committees, we're just going to all meet in this committee of a whole to discuss the issue. Right. That is correct. And should we run into an issue that we have to spend a little bit more time on, we need to dedicate to something else, we can always use those other committees for those reasons. If somebody has to do a little extra leg work and we decide that we want to bump it to that committee and then they want to present it to the committee as a whole, we can certainly do that. It seems a little bit more than we would need to do, but we have that option if we would like. Yeah, it just it I mean it again the the entire reason I brought this up was because it feels like on any given twoe agenda there's maybe one or two things at best that may need a little bit more clarity for our purposes here at the whole entire city council meeting. So the idea that we wouldn't be able to get through that type of thing at the committee of the whole, it it it kind of seems to defeat the purpose if we're going to have the committee of the whole but still put things down to the public safety or the finance or the

Again, I I see no reason why we would need to do that. Maybe when we get into this home rule discussion, right, we might have to use those committees because they might have questions and it just might be more advantageous to do it that way. But again, eliminating them, I think, would cause more issues in the short term as we start to work our way through the new committee structure.

And then again, to Councilwoman Mey's point, I don't know if it's a big deal or not that we have the the term vote in the actual ordinance because she is correct. If we meet virtually, it then just becomes a discussion. There's no vote being taken. So, I don't know if that is a language that needs to be changed or modified in some way. My suggestion because this is an administrative function is to allow it in the most broad way. Um certainly we can change it however you'd like, but if you leave those other committees and you leave the language of vote, that allows you to meet a committee of the whole, have all your committees meet and have a vote if you want to, but it also allows you to have a committee of the whole that meets virtually and doesn't vote and none of the other committees meet. It allows you that flexibility to decide administratively how you want to handle it. And if it ends up just being a work session type of meeting on Zoom without a vote, that's still allowed under the ordinances. And it doesn't the ordinances don't require something to go to public safety or finance. It um just says that that the committees have to hear something related to their committee. And a committee of the whole obviously can discuss anything it would like. So you could you could send all of your items to the committee of a whole, but the way that it's drafted now gives you the most flexibility. But if the intention is we don't want the sub the other committees operating at all and we don't want to vote, we can certainly make those changes. But it still allows you to do that with how it's written. Now,

if I can kind of jump in here, I think some additional um the way I kind of interpret this and I think it it's good. Um, when you think about what our solicitor said about flexibility, I mean, I think historically when you go back, if you'd go back and and do some research on when these committees were formed way back in the day, you probably saw a lot different of a approach that prior councils had taken, right? Um, you probably saw a lot more like diving into individual projects initiative that were maybe council driven that happened at that level. Um, we h we haven't done that because frankly there's been a pile of stuff that's just I I don't know that we've had the ability or time with a lot of everything going on the past six years, right? Um, but I think, you know, kind of looking forward, I think it's good to keep these because you think about uh this the stamp program that is still ongoing that we're going to have to go through for the next couple of years. you think about um you know diving into quarterly reviews of our of our spending and our budget. Those are really good examples of projects that and specific oversight of the finance committee. Um the county pulled back their LERA for example a couple days ago and that's going to impact our LERA. And so when you think about the economic development response or aspect of that that's a really good you know thing to focus on for that committee. So and the membership of those is set up that it has the appropriate people already that need to do that. So I think you know from a project initiative perspective we have the ability I think that Mr. Grimes is saying the flexibility to to do that pretty quickly rather than going through the process of you know establishing an ad hoc committee all that kind of stuff. So, I know this is a lot of in the weeds minutia, but um I think the setup makes perfect sense.

Um and I think it's good, Liz. Um I I agree with you there, Adam. I would, however, encourage us. Um I know that conventionally, unless you're planning to break with that convention, Eric, the president of council does not serve on any of the subcommittees

with exception of the committee of the whole. Um point of that being since we've had a change in presidency, we should um reappoint members of those individual committees ASAP because I do feel that we should um allocate home role as an issue to the economic revitalization committee or the finance committee. Um and that that is something that we need to move on relatively quickly. Um so that I that I would say should be carried forward by an individual committee. Which one? Yeah. But it does is it is that a volunteering raising your hand is

I'm happy to if you want but and I was already the chair of the finance committee so I can continue in that role or I can run ERC. I don't really care. I'm just but um that is something that I think rises to the level of it a committee should be meeting about that on a bi-weekly or monthly basis for a little bit here and um until we perhaps have a home rule commission that takes over that role. Um and uh I don't have any other things that I think need to um immediately get sent to some committee for multiple discussions, but that seems like an important one. Yeah, I would agree with you. And again, I wanted to get this in place first as we started to figure out that structure and then over the next two weeks get input from everyone

and certainly make sure that this is the best use of our time. Yeah. No, I I think this is great. Um, I I'll I'll openly say I think, you know, over the summer is when I'll happily raise my hand to actively be taking a spot on the committee the whole for, you know, bi-weekly vetting of things for sure with my work schedule, but you know, on demand, I'm happy to fill in where I need to as well. So, are there any other questions related to this item? Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milikin. Yes. Mr. Mackey. Yes. Mrs. Catz. Yes.

Ms. Mey. Yes. Mr. Pizzy. Yes. Mr. Ber. Yes. Motion passes 70. We'll move to item number seven. An ordinance to transfer ordinance number seven, 2024 budget. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. M. Livermore. Hello again. Um, you guys should be used to seeing this transfer ordinance. Uh, after every audit, we usually uh go through and um clean everything up. So, that's what this is. This is just an ordinance cleaning up up all the budgets, moving little bits here and there to make sure that everything is all in compliance.

Are there any questions related to this item? Seeing hearing none. Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milikin, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Ms. Millie, yes. Mr. Pelzy, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. We will move to item number nine. Then, resolution authorizing the purchase of 1226 Ford F Super Cab and 2025 Ford F50 box truck. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second, Mr. Livermore.

Good evening, members of council. What you have before you is a resolution authorize and purchase one 2026 F350 and one 2025 F350. Um, these trucks will be purchased through Stucky Ford um in the amount of $120,31. Funding source is the uh Parks Capital Projects. Um, these two trucks will be replacing two 2011 GMC 2500s. Is there any questions? Liz Mu,

just do we think that the vehicles that are being replaced have any value? I'm assuming they're going to go out and one way or the other, but are they? Uh, yeah, they'll have I they'll have some value. Okay. Thanks, Seeing hearing nothing else. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milikin. Yes. Mr. Mackey. Yes. Mrs. Catz. Yes. Ms. Millie. Yes. Mr. Pizzy. Yes. Mr. Ryder. Yes. Motion passes 70.

Thank you very much. Move to item number 10. Resolution authorizing agreement between the Williamsport Bureau Fire and ESO. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Welcome, Chief.

President Ber, member of council. Uh bringing this resolution forward to you tonight. This was brought as an previously was brought to you last year when we purchased it, but it was not brought as an annual subscription and we're looking to do that as an annual subscription not to exceed 14,342.73. Uh this is the recording software that we use for our fire incidents as well as our EMS incidents and uh we're required to do to record those incidents for the state to be eligible for grants and such. So that's why we need to do this. Okay. Are there any questions from members of council regarding this item?

Liz Millie, I'm so sorry. Where's the funding coming from again? This this is out of our budget. Okay. Um All right. And uh and was budgeted in 20 like as in you're not reallocating anything from your budget. We correct. This was this was here last year and this company purchased the previous company we were using. Um but when the resolution was done last year was not done as an annual subscription so we had to bring it back to do it again so we can keep it under that same budget number. Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um the question that I have then chief is going to be in relation to uh Southport now and having our uh fireman over there. This software is helping record that data. Correct.

And getting us reports to know what it is exactly. Yeah. can we can with this here and we're still working with the company on as I'm learning uh how to generate those reports. We can actually identify each unit when we hired overtime when we when we're you know normally staffed uh to provide that service over there or whether we're doing it just out of our normal rules of of manpower. Wonderful. It'll be nice to see um how this reporting software works when we get our first quarterly report from you. Yep. And so it will allow us to track actual cost. That is to say OT versus regular hours there amounts in there. Yeah. We can show when we hire overtime or whether we had enough staff on that day to do it without. That's great. Good.

Any other questions on this item from members of council? Seeing and hearing none. Mr. Yoder. Yes. Mr. Milikin. Yes. Mr. Mackey. Yes. Mrs. Catz. Yes. Miss me? Yes. Mr. Pizzy? Yes. Mr. Bite? Yes. Motion passes 70. Thank you, Chief. We'll move to item number 11. Resolution uncollected real estate taxes for 2025. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. Second.

Mr. Walderoff, welcome. Good evening, President Ber and fellow council. Um before you uh tonight is a resolution um for uncollected tax uh debt here. Um in the amount of 1,213,418.68. Um it is of my opinion that the treasur's office this year did its due diligence and trying to collect these taxes. We were able to collect 14,567,157.72. Um the resolution further uh is asking that the uncollected debt go to the county's uh assessments office for further collection efforts. Um, one thing I would like to not uh some things I'd like to acknowledge is I was looking at some sheets and that's about 90% of the uh of the that that we were supposed to collect, we were able to collect this year. Um, it's about a 2% difference from last year. Um, given the fact that the uh the current role that I am in was vacated back in October, I would like to acknowledge Wendy Williams and Katie Shoemaker to uh of the individuals at work in the treasur's office that selfishly stepped up, took on more responsibility in that vacancy. So um if it wasn't for their efforts, I believe that the amount collected would have been much lower as long uh along with other processes within the office of other taxes and operations.

Well said. Are there any questions for members of council? Seeing hearing none, Mr. Yoder? Yes. Mr. Milikin? Yes. Mr. Mackey? Yes. Mrs. cats. Yes. And Mr. Waldroth, I want to thank you. I think that was really nice because people don't get acknowledged at times and we both know how much work is put into this. So, my vote is still yes. Miss Millie, yes. Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Ryder, yes. Motion passes 70. Uh we'll move to item number 12,

resolution exonerating the city treasurer from collection of the 2025 real estate taxes. Can I have a motion, please? So move second, Mr. Woff. So council, this this motion exonerates me as as it's very detailed and exonerates me from having the responsibility of collecting the rest of the outstanding debt. um the Lakecom County Assessments Office would take over that responsibility and my focus of new charge would be collecting the new taxes for 2026. Something pretty standard these past two we do them every year. So are there any questions regarding this item? Seeing hearing none Mr. Yoda?

Yes. Mr. Milik? Yes. Mr. Mackey? Yes. Mrs. Cats. Yes. Ms. Mey. Yes. Mr. Pizzy. Yes. Mr. Ryder. Yes. Motion passes 70. Thank you very much. All right. We will move down then to item number 17, certificate of appropriateness for 734 West 4th Street. Do I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. There. Any questions regarding the certificate of appropriateness here? Seeing and hearing none.

Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milligan, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes. Mrs. Catz, yes. Miss Millie, yes. Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Binder, yes. Motion passes 70. Item number 18, except for filing the controllers report from November 2025 and HARB minutes from December 16th of 2025. Could I have a motion, please? So moved. Second. Are there any questions regarding the except for filing? Seeing and hearing none. Mr. Yoder, yes. Mr. Milikin, yes. Mr. Mackey, yes.

Mrs. Catz, yes. Miss Millie, yes. Mr. Pizzy, yes. Mr. Ber, yes. Motion passes 70. Announcements. The next regularly scheduled city council meeting will be held on Thursday, February 5th, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. here in Trade and Transit 2 on the third floor. Upcoming meetings. Monday, February 2nd at 12:00 p.m. we have the planning commission. Thursday, February 5th at 7 p.m. we have our city council meeting as mentioned. Um, do we have any comments tonight from members of the public? Any comments from members of council? I just have one question real quick. Chief, when are you going to start growing your mustache?

Thanks. Um, somebody Yeah, I'm sorry, John. Sorry. Yeah. Um, sometimes this feels pointless, but uh just it sounds like we're getting a lot of snow. Right. So, just everybody, the six people who are listening, be patient. The road, the roads will get cleared. Uh we only have so many people driving those plow trucks. Don't go out if you don't need to go out. If you get stuck, you're just causing more problems. So, everybody be careful. Uh and stay safe.

Um the announcement that I have is we will be having an executive session tonight uh to discuss legal matters after our uh council meeting. So, any comments from the administration? Any comments from news media? Believe anyone's here from news media. I'll take a motion for adjournment. So move. All in favor? I. Thank you very much everybody. Have a wonderful