Planning and Parks Committee - Regular Meeting

He's not going to be here. I'm just saying he's not here. Yeah. Okay. And we are live. Good evening everybody. Um my name is Katie Dodwell. I'm going to be filling in for Mr. Galani. He is at a very special moment. His eighth grade daughter is graduating from St. Albins this evening. And I think we need to uh understand that's a priority for him. And uh so uh I'll be chairing this evening if we could get the roll call from absolutely first. Council member Rooki here. Council member Tratier. Council member Atenberg here. Council member Dodwell here. Council member McCutchen here. Council member Rambo here. Council member CR here. and Council Member Galani is not here, but we have a quorum. Thank you so much. Um I know we have on the agenda uh that we're going to elect a chair and a vice chair this evening, but because we don't have full participation this evening, um I'm going to make a motion that we postpone that until the following meeting later in June. We have second. Can we do that with Robert Wilser? Can we can Yes, ma'am. We've done that in the past just for a very similar reason where the election happened to be on a night when we only had five or six members and so it's always preferable if we can have a full committee. Well, I I understand that. I just want to make sure we are using the correct process. Okay. So, it looks like uh everybody is Mr. Rambo seconded. So, if we could have a vote, please all

in favor say I. I. Opposed? Stain. Okie do. Then we'll just move right along to approval of the minutes from the last committee meeting. Uh if everybody has had a chance to look over them who was participating last week or last month, excuse me. Um anyone want to make a motion for approval or do we need to make any changes? I'll move her approval. Miss McCutchen moves and Mr. Rambo seconds. All in favor? I I oppose abstain. Thank you for moving us right along, guys. Thank you. And I think now we have public participation. Miss Ripto, do we have anybody for public participation? We do have one speaker card um for Mr. Andy Dob with Bombshell Construction. um he wish was just to speak on the SNL cabin. So I don't know if you want to speak now or if you'd like to wait until um the agenda item is up. I can do whenever it's fine. However you guys would like to do it. Why don't we just wait until the agenda item and then it's all pulled together if that's okay. Excellent. um staff. Then at this time, if there are attendees on Zoom that would like to speak during public participation, if you'd like to use the raise hand feature, we will promote you to speak. Should we not because we have him here, should we not vote to move us in cabin up so he doesn't have to hang around? Yeah, I just hadn't gotten to that point yet. Okay. Okay. We have no one on Zoom that has a that has raised their hand. So, okay. So, we're going to go ahead and close the public input session. And now, if we can move on to parks matters and um we had had a request to move the Essen log cabin bid process up in the

agenda since we have a representative from the contractor here. Um, can I get a motion to do so? Yes. Minute. Mr. Rottenberg moves. Any second? Mr. Cran seconds. All in favor? I opposed abstain. Okay, Mr. Vunich, if you can get started with that process for us. Certainly, ma'am. Before I get started, first of all, I'd like to welcome our new member for being here. She's had a long afternoon. Mr. Young did his famous presentation on Robert's rules and all the things in the pool. So, we were totally confused. beg on her pardon if she should be a little sleepy by now. She at least came to see me. So, as the members will recall, particularly those that attended the meeting in April, the department had made a recommendation regarding the bidding process relative to the reassembly of the SNL log cabin. There were a number of questions raised by the committee members relative to the department's recommendation which wasn't the low theater which was bomb bombshell construction. Bombshell construction is the general contractor for phase one of village green which is underway just outside city hall. Um at that time Bombshell Construction its owner Andy Dobs uh participated in the discussion and at the conclusion of all of that there were a couple of requests. First, the question of should we proceed forward with the reassembly in 2025 as has been planned, part of our budgeting process that concluded in 2024, and also to investigate how the city might raise funds to better offset

our stress on our capital improvements program that we're experiencing in 2025. based upon what our city administrator has said probably in 2026 as well. And so there's a couple of things that I'd like to address before opening the floor to Mr. Dob with the chair's permission or get taking your questions. First, later on in the agenda, we will be talking about and going out and trying to solicit uh participation in some of our more expensive park and recreation projects. Specifically, we'll be talking about the all-inclusive playground. And then, as you know, we do a pretty big push on our community for Celebrate Wildwood. So we have a little experience some expert advice from unlimited play on how we might put the cost on our all all inclusive playground from the perspective of the department I do want to tackle the elephant in the room. So first and foremost um the bombshell construction after our meeting in April has made great strides out at the site. I mean, it's to me it's just been real rewarding to sit here at city hall and take a peek out the window and go over at the end of day. There's just been great progress and Mr. Kitel who's helping the city with construction management has nothing but praise for the quality of the work. So, that's the good news. Obviously, there's been a litany of missteps along the way. I took some of those last time. A lot of them seem to be focused around the engineering plans that we received and we're still addressing some of the inconsistencies that we are are are are seeing now as we move further into the project. So, not all of the delays

are attributable to the general contractor. I'll say that for the record. And obviously, we know that we have the electrical issue that hopefully will be resolved here very shortly. So saying all of that, the department just is, I guess, as best as I could put it, adamant that we need to get the cabin reassembled if we're going to do it. It's been 10 years. That means 10 years the log's being stored. Now, for the last couple of years, for the most part, to the elements, it's just practically impossible for Gan Bailey to keep a tarp on it anymore. the stars we've been getting. And so from that perspective, we're kind of I feel a little bit with our backs to the wall. Given what I've seen of bombshell construction and his commitment to find cost savings relative to the project, which he's already noted at the last meeting in April, going more to a manufactured stone versus a natural stone with masons out there working to fit it onto the foundation walls that are being poured. Um then certainly if that is the impetus to get us moving forward, the low bid from the bidding process, a commitment to save us x amount of dollars at at upfront. Um, and the same commitment we're seeing now over the last few weeks on V phase one, the department would be more than happy to accept the direction from the committee and city council to work with bombshell construction on the reassembly. I just it's a project that needs to be done. I'm afraid we're at a point where we might lose the logs if we just keep postponing and postponing. And there's a lot of momentum now. The Essen family's been involved. Um, we got a lot

of good publicity from the wildfire historical society. So, I really think that, you know, the the tension between phase one and the SN log cabin shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether we move forward or not. We can afford it. The good news is if we take money from Bertner Park, the sound mitigation program and property acquisitions, we actually will have some money left over. We don't need all of it. And so we can probably do a couple we might be able to do some mitigation and we might be able to do a little bit of the design and engineering for partner park. So I think we can maybe cover all the bases and get things moving. So my plea to you all tonight is don't let the tension that I obviously wore on my face at the last meeting in April delay the project. I think we have two competent contractors. you feel bombshell is the the most appropriate one based upon what you heard from Andy and April what I'm telling you tonight love to proceed with the project with that I'll close and if there's any questions of the department we'll be glad to answer them and again Mr. Job is here as well Mr. I am not sure if this is the appropriate point to do this, but I would make a motion that we would proceed with bombshell construction for the reassembly of the SMA cabin. I want to hold that and just make sure there's nobody that has any questions for Bombguard while they're here. But before we even get to that question period, does Bongar have anything that they want to present to the committee as a whole? Uh I just wanted to speak about the I haven't so if you weren't prepared to speak on this topic that's okay. I am I am prepared. I am not wanting

[Music] to I'm trying to decide how I want to say this. I have a real big problem with saying something about another contractor because I'm not gonna do that. Then don't. Then don't. Yeah. Don't do it. We don't want you to talk. What has me concerned is if we're talking about any kind of time frames whatsoever, the there's there's other outside factors that that make me concerned over one of two things. either let me get done with the job and get off the job and then start it or let me do the job as I bid the job to do it. Um, I can save you guys money on the on like I said on the stone.ve I've made that clear. I I know that I can save $20,000. What has me concerned is is the the whole thing with unions and my company and all of my contractors and everybody that I use is union and unfortunately the other guy is not. And if you're talking about slowing the job down, tickets go up so fast it would blow your mind. And so I I the I'm not going to question the guy's talent. I'm figure he's very talented. It has me very worried about time frames. So that's all I want to say about that. I'm not saying anything bad about another contractor at all. I want to make that very clear. And can I ask a quick question? Yes. Um if you were selected as the p the company to do this project Yes. What kind of impact would that have on the completion of the village green? It

would have no impact. There's the the the the village green project is a 100% labor operator um masonry uh aber walls retaining walls operators and laborers. The Essen log cabin is carpenters. just wanted to give you the opportunity to make. Yes. So, I have I have currently six carpenters, journeyman carpenters that work under me and four apprentice carpenters. Um, and then I currently have about five or six, my nephew's one of them, so I'm going to say five and a half laborers that work under me. They're they're the ones working on on Village Green right now. It it wouldn't it doesn't have any bearing. There's no time frame. So, so you would you would be able to start on this project immediately. Yeah. Immediately. Okay. I'll get to you next. Mr. Rambo had his hand up first. Yeah. Mr. Rambo, I've said this before. Um, if we don't get the cabin up, we've just got an oval in the middle of nowhere. And I think the cabin I think it's it's I wholeheartedly support the idea of con reconstructing the cabin now. Um uh your point about about unions is an excellent one. I hadn't considered it, but I have experienced that many times and some of us probably have. You wind up you try to open an extra gate or you do this or you do that and it's always weird. And so um that's that is a big selling point in Bombshell's favor. Um Joe, you've changed your tune a little bit from the last writeup that I saw. And um I it it um I want to make sure that we're all completely comfortable with going in the bombshell direction, but I'm otherwise I'm inclined to um to second Scott's

motion. So I guess my question is are you you feeling good about the the bombshell recommendation now or Well, it's been approximately four weeks since the April meeting and if you walk out to the village green site, you'll see a marked difference progress. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't thank Mr. Dob uh any more than right now. It's it's been great because we are on a bit of a crunch. September's coming quite rapidly. Um and that's our celebrate wildwood event. But to kind of just move everything out of the the way, if as I said, if the tension between general contractor and the department is basically putting the project at risk, then I'm not doing you all a service that I need to be doing. And that's working with whoever to get projects that you want completed. And so tonight, that's what I'm saying. The progress is marked. It's good work. and I want the project to move forward. Um, we'll have Mr. Dob may regret it, but the Steve Scots of the world will be out there watching. So, I'm going to have plenty of assistance making sure the the cabin people that know architecture and the cabins and things like that. So, I'm comfortable with that. That's the remaining concern because carpenters are not log guys necessarily. mid carpenter can use the same sorts of tools but talking about you know axes and ads and these kinds of things and it's a little bit different but if if feeling okay about it you're obviously confident you can do the job I'm I'm ready to ready to go but um there's other comments so so I'm sorry I was having a hard time following you yes ma'am

So it so you're going to do the main project which is the billing village screen and now you want to do the walk cabin also. Is that correct? Yes. So and you said you could save money. Can you expound on that a little bit? Yeah. I so at the last meeting so in the plans um they show basically what they show is is uh the concrete foundation that you when you first start the building you're putting on this uh extra wide what's called a brick ledge and then you're using the stones that that they're very nice that they they offered up the stones but you're using these all these giant different misshapen stones which back in the day the stones were used to make the foundation. You would use the st you would not use concrete. Well, we can reduce costs by qu by $20,000 if we shorten up the brick ledge and get what is it's still stone and you're achieving the exact same thing that the plans show, but you're buying it from a a company, Earthworks or or Simco Stone or somebody. There's multiple companies and they it's a it's a I don't want to say pre-manufactured. It's a It's a specifically made stone to go on the foundation to make it look and appear that you are h you have a stone foundation on the building. But it's it's way cheaper because the stones that were provided, you have to have guys out here sawing those stones into pieces and and actually making them work and fit. If you buy them from like say Earthworks or whatever, they they look the exact same. Um but they they're all to a uniform width so you can just boom I

know what your child's at. Yeah. So it saves um a very large amount of money. Um and I offered that up I don't know month or two ago and I just said listen this is a it's a no-brainer in my opinion because you're already still making a concrete foundation to to build the log cabin on. You're just trying to reuse the stone where you could save a lot of money by just purchasing new stone. So So you're saying the savings of $20,000 it goes to the Essen cabin. Yes, ma'am. Not to the overall project, not to the village green project, right? It would go it would go to the to the to the to the price of the log cabin price. So the price I think I was 319,000 or something like that. make it 290 99 or 295 or something like that. And is the village green um on line with what was bid or is it greater or is it under other than uh an electrical issue that is outside in my opinion my control? Um I feel like we're we're pretty close. Um, I don't know that we've I I I know that we've made a couple changes where we changed from a organic lock material to a paper material and that made it cost a little bit more, but I feel like I did my best to offset the cost on that. U we switched out the light standards. Yeah, all of these have been presented to the committee. The change orders. Yeah, I saw the change orders. I was just talking about what's going forward. Yeah, the light standards. Well, I think all in all, I think we're done with most of the change orders. The only one that's kind of outstanding is the one coming from Amaran for their cost of work to underground the lines and then and we're working on the tree clearing and I need to talk to you about whether you want to pour back the brick stamped

concrete or not, which before we did. So, we probably have one more change, Arter, and it's all about the undergrounding of the electric and the new switch gear location. Yeah. And then I had one more question because I don't think I quite understood what you were saying, Rob. You said, "Well, we'll just have an oval and then we put a cabin in there." So, what exactly were you saying? What all I was saying was what I was suggesting was we won't have the um the unlimited play facility. We won't have a stage or anything like that. what we'll have is a nice oval that's sort of the infrastructure for what we really are hoping to see out of village green. But putting the cabin there makes it feel like we've really made some progress by September, which is the um the Celebrate Wildwood thing. And I'm just really eager to see a cabin there because that's, you know, it's going to make it a great place that people will kind of walk over to even if there's nothing else around the old. That's all I The cabin is going where it was originally designed to go. Yeah. which is outside the circle to the north or the south. Community garden. Yeah. Towards the community garden. Right. And so here so if what's the difference in the cost between a stage and the Essen cabin? What I think we could probably do the type of stage we had talked about. For the most part, we weren't talking about elevating the stage. We were talking about creating a structure above the existing stage. The stage is just going to be flat work that's completed for the most part. Yeah. The flat work is completed for the for the stage area. Yes. And so we were going to put we were going to do a building on top of the stage so they'd have cover and then as part of that the long range plan had identified restrooms and a little concession area. We just couldn't afford that as part of phase one because phase one is I think I've told you all before.

A lot of what we pay for is the stuff that goes underground that nobody sees. But it gives us the opportunity in the future to do additions and actually start bringing things out of the ground. But I would it just so there's there's abundant landscaping that's going to be added back in. We have all this pedestrian furniture and then the mayor's grove shifting over there. So there'll be some things. Yeah, I wasn't being negative. It sounded ne more negative than it was. It just meant there's an attraction if we have the cabin. That's all. Years and years ago when this first this idea of Village Green was presented, it was really meant to be a passive space, just a place that you could go and kind of read a book, grab a cup of coffee at Starbucks or whatever, come over and sit in the shade on a nice bench and just enjoy the day. So So what? I'm sorry. What? So what? So we have a stage but we don't have the cover. Is that correct? That's correct. That's correct. And what is the cover going to cost? We won't know until we bid it out. I'm asking Joe. Well, um Andy and I talked Mr. Dob and I talked about just doing some simple sales things you can do. So there's that's kind of my specialty is building those those structures there. Um there's multiple different options. So you can do a wood frame structure. That would be the easiest best option for what you have out there would be like a wood frame structure. Um I don't know if you've been to uh uh the the Bluebird Park where the amphitheater. We did we did part of that. Just saying. But um that you can do either down at the bottom on the amphitheater. It's a there's a it's a large structure like that that you could do that

for if you want you're somewhere in between I don't want to speak out of turn but you're somewhere in between you can be $150,000 all the way up to if you really want to go crazy I mean you can go all the way up to $800,000. Um, there's other things that you can do where you can do a candle lever system where like Joe and I were talking about, you don't have even have to be on the stage at all. You could be off the back side of the stage and some of those are at uh Bluebird Park also and they they look up and they go over the stage uh and they're a can stretched canvas type uh shade providing structure and I I can get you guys in touch with that. Those are all pre-engineered deals where they they you can you can uh you can get those installed for relatively cheap. I mean, we did that we did the big canal lever system at uh Bluebird for I think that one was about 85,000. So there there's a there's a lot of different options that you can go with. Um, I if you if you want to know the truth, what I would strongly recommend is um I don't mean to just throw it on to somebody else, but that Ken Keitel that's out there that works for I think he works for Terrace Spec or something. That guy is a landscape architect. I'm pretty sure he's a landscape architect. He knows what we're going for out there. Um he's made a lot of really good decisions that him and I have kind of worked on to kind of make field adjustments to make this plan work out very beautifully. And I really think he's the right guy to

speak with on that structure. I'm just going to tell you it it's so different and there's so many different options. You can install a canal lever stretched canvas for you can do the whole entire installation for $25,000. And like I said, you can go all the way up to So Joe, if is this an either or? We either do the cabin or we do some kind of structure over the over the stage. Is this an eitheror? it well I hadn't framed it as such because the discussion point was the cabin which has been obviously programmed as part of our discussions at the end of 2024 for 2025 fact we talked about it 2023 for 2024 but I guess what I would say is um we'll make do because right now it looks like we'll have maybe two events at village between the August back to school party hopefully and then September the celebrate Wildwood we'll use the temporary stage and I would offer that as part of our discussion of funding enhancements to existing green space we do it in the fall as part of our budgeting process we can get uh Ken Kaitel or whoever ultimately we the city should choose and we could do it with a little forethought and I I personally not not to speak out of turn but I would really wait until all of your landscaping is in cuz it's going to be beautiful around that whole stage area. You may get to where you just look at it and you're like, we just need a temporary setup thing in case it's going to rain because it's there's there's trees and flowers and bushes and I'm not I'm general cont. But it's going to be beautiful. Well, as he was saying,

so this is phase two or phase three actually. Well, and as you know, with the all-inclusive playground, we are now adding a restroom there. So, the the restroom concession area that was part of the original design for the stage may not be as essential or as as priority as it once was. So, can I finish my question? Yes. Hey, so what is the cost of the to put the log cabin back together? the the bib was 300 and I believe 323,000 something like that. I was 319 319 500 or something. They were 320. The other bidder was 323. So, and we're going to have to retrofit some of the logs because we don't have all the logs. Well, the original logs were lost, but we were a gentleman um in the outstate area had donated a cabin to us. So, we salvaged the logs. So, we have those. We've also collected a number of logs over the years through demolitions and people were kind enough to give us the logs from the cabin. So, it's a little bit of taking the old and putting some and there may not all be related, but they all are log so to speak. Thank you, Mr. CR. So, that's 319. That that's with a $20,000 discount. No, no, that's that's before the $20,000 discount. So what's the bottom line on the estimate then? Three right at 299. 299. Yeah. How much of that cabin was preserved? How much was destroyed? 80% 50%. Well, all four walls for the most part are in are intact. We lost the stone foundation as Andy mentioned. We lost the the raptors, the roof, and all the doors and windows. You know, when you see that estimate, I

cringe because I go, "Wow, we could probably build build a new one and and and uh for a lot less." And uh uh so why is it so expensive to put this together? It's because of the type of construction. It's it's uh basically log cabins aren't made anymore that way. So, finding the windows and the doors and the everything to replace what you need to replace to make it um age correct is people people charge a lot of money for the stuff. Um it's that's basically it. It's it's uh there's a reason why they don't build them anymore because they're they're cost prohibitive now. So, they're they're a little bit more expensive to put together. Um, okay. Uh, how come we can't find another donor? I see these cabins once in a while out there. I just have a problem with that kind of money. Uh, and I I get it. That's what it costs. Uh, and and we're we're kind of tight on our budget. Uh, and I feel we're kind of rushing. Uh, and I'm just a little uneasy about it. And uh uh that's all I want to say. Um I have two um questions, comments. The first is for um bombshell for Mr. Dodd. Um, since last meeting when I heard your appeal and came up and um, we're very passionate about trying to move forward and doing the log cabinet as well, I've actually come up um, five times to look at the construction and the progress. Yeah. And I'm still struggling to see that. I mean, I'm seeing the electric done. Um, but I know

you made promises that there would be a lot of people coming and cutting bricks and we would see that happen quickly. Yes. And I'm still not seeing that that's um done. At least the last time I was up there a few days ago. Um I'm still struggling with how is it going to get done in the timeline. If we're now saying it's going to be August, I appreciate that you came and said, "I'm going to get this done." But it's been a month and I'm still not seeing significant change from my view other than some of the things that Amaran was doing and that you were going to have um some other folks involved in the process. So really, I just wanted you to um address when you think it's going to happen at this point because it does lead to what I think about the log cabin as well. Yeah. So, we're still we're still looking like end of July, August, I'd say. Um, we've put over 75 pallets of uh favors down. So, I I don't know. I' I'd be happy to walk up there with everybody right now. Um, we've put well over I think each pallet has 430 bricks on it, so 75 of them. We've put well over 10,000 pavers down. We have all the walls are the wall footings are dug and I was supposed to get the block yesterday. All of these bad storms have made it hard for the block company that we're getting the block from to get up here. But they I've been assured I kind of had a conversation with them. I've been assured it's showing up tomorrow. didn't hurt me too much today because we had so much rain last night. Um, you have to have a solid foundation to put the blocks on. Well, every time I came, there was nobody working and I came five different times and I kept thinking I'd

catch somebody working the project and really I came during the day because I'm retired and there wasn't anybody here working and I found that um that's fascinating because I can show you I we give out daily logs um okay daily that that list all the workers and um maybe they left before I came maybe I they work they work regular hours of eight hour days and we have I have five or six of my own guys working there every day except for if it I mean it really dumps rain. I'm not going to make them work in the rain. Uh and then Next Level's been out there and they have a crew of about on average they got a crew of about eight guys that have been pouring all the concrete. We got all the concrete stairs poured. The stage is poured. All the curbs are poured. The sidewalk, the sidewalk here where the handicap parking and the sidewalk coming all the way down the front. We've we've acknowledged that we've we're going to move the electric issue down here to this side. So that it was actually supposed to be poured today, but last night kind of screwed us up. We're going to try to get them out here tomorrow to get that poured. So, I I don't I'm okay. I appreciate you giving me the update cuz I was um the electric is all um inside the oval. All of the electric light ballers have been uh saw installed. The electrical conduit is installed. The It's driving me absolutely insane because the the trench is still open because I can't back fill the trench until St. Louis County inspects it. And for some reason because of all these storms, they keep putting me off, but they're it's ready to be inspected. Um, the irrigation is here and the installers will be here tomorrow to go ahead and install the irrigation inside the oval. I'm trying to get all that finished up because I

want to sad the oval as soon as humanly possible because the oval once I saw the oval, it cuts out a huge swip siltation runoff issue that that Yeah, because I think that's one of the things that you said you were going to be working on that I noticed hadn't been done too. So, yeah, that's why I was asking. And then my other question really is um kind of along the lines of um some of the comments that Mr. France made that last month. I also hear heard that we needed to consider do we move forward now? Do we hold based on budget and some of the finances and should we look at finding doing it as a fundraiser and some of those options as a part of the process? But what I'm hearing you now say is you feel like you have the money available to proceed. Well, my recollection of the meeting was is that obviously $319,000 as the original bid states is a lot of money to restore a cabin that I'll have limited use, but obviously it'll have a great community impact. Um, so what I heard was instead of us trying to manage these projects solely on capital improvement funds, isn't there a way we can draw the community toward these projects and have them embrace it and participate? And certainly that's something we're going to be talking about for probably the rest of the year. No, he's going to talk here shortly about the fundraising for the all-inclusive playground, which is a priority of the committee when we decided to move forward with phase two. So, I guess there's only so much funding out there and from the department's perspective, I think the all-inclusive

playground is more important. Right now, the cabin will draw some people to Village Green and Town Center. The all-inclusive playground will draw a lot of people to Village Green and Town Center. And we're using that as an economic development tool as well. So, in terms of priorities, if we're going to go out and ask the community and beyond for funds to help us do a project that needs to be done for a lot of reasons, I think it should be the all-inclusive playground. It's not to say that future projects once we set up a program or a process we won't do this. But I think right now trying to do celebrate Wildwood where we're asking for sponsorship from our local businesses, the cabin and all-inclusive playground. I just don't think there'll be enough to go around. Any other questions you touch? Um, so we're we're asking for donations for the all-inclusive playground. Well, unlimited play as part of their proposal, and there's no charge for this, they'll create documentation for each piece of equipment that's going to be in the all-incclusive playground. And with and offer it to the philanthropist, others will basically pay for it or donate it. There may be some naming rights. There may be some kind of plaque, something that recognizes that donation, but they've done this on other playground facilities in the region and across the United States and they claim to have great success at it. I'm sorry. No, please. There are grants that you can get and you can get it for specific playground pieces because um and it's a process. It's not an easy grant to do because I've done them

before for school, right? Um and um a lot of times the Lion Clubs will sponsor it, but there's a over umbrella organization that will help you if you you you submit the grant and then they have certain groups that will decide if they want to contribute to it or not. So you could get one entity or two entities or whatever to contribute to it. Um so that might be something to look into. Yeah. But my my point last time was I mean it's the Essen Cabin is is not the key focal point of of Village Green. You're right. the the the playground is. So, I I'm having a hard time saying, you know, we can pay what, $299,000 to put the cabin together, but we're going to have to go out and fund raise for the playground equipment. So, why don't we just switch that from one to the other? I mean, and and let the community be part of the cabin. It's not something that is essential to the village green. I mean, and will the Essence are they willing to donate some money to make this happen? So, won't the Essen lawn cabin be a considerable amount less expensive than the playground equipment? Gosh, less than a probably a quarter. A quarter of it. Okay. Yeah, playground. Actually, I'm working on getting the price list because, as I've mentioned, Unlimited Play has a relationship with Little Tech Commercial. They're holding the price despite now almost, I guess, 18 months since we first talked about it and the

tariffs at what we originally were quoted. So, I'll actually be bringing to this committee probably in June that that purchase order, so to speak so we can get that done and save ourselves some money. I my my point is just that that's that's a key figure and we're going to go fundra for that instead of taking the money from the cabin and putting it into the playground. But then why can't we fund raise for the cabin? And what I will say is the committee has complete control over the allocation of priorities relative to projects and the funds for them. If this is log cabinet isn't something that you feel strongly needs to be completed this year. I certainly understand that I will just fall back on again that we've been talking about it now for 10 plus years. The last couple of years we've really kind of been out in the community talking about its reassembly, the benefits it'll bring, the commitment it shows of the city to historic preservation, etc. So, there'll be a group that'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen this year or in in subsequent years. But I guess from the perspective of the department, I'm here to if you say we want to switch that money or save that money, I understand Mr. release painted a somewhat bleak picture. Mr. Rambo. Yeah, we do have um we do have some costs in the cabin and you said we're going to lose the logs. Those are um those are factors. I will the 10-year thing. It's been several councils and several of these committees and so on and so forth that have all thought this was a worthwhile enterprise and I'd hate to bag it. Um but my main question on that point is we were supposedly bouncing against a dollar limit for the village green uh in terms of federal money or something. I didn't

really understand it but we had a we had a we had a a ceiling. Um, does the cabin count against that ceiling just as the unlimited play facility does or are they is the cabin a separate project because it predates um Village Green and um and it's a just a different sort of thing from the department's perspective. It's in Village Green, so it's part of the overall cost. Okay, we're a little over $4 million in terms of what we can spend in Village Green. Again, remember that's city taxpayer money that's um addressed by that charter provision. So, we've been fortunate. Miss Ripto has been able to get us one and one one almost $1.2 million in grant funding. So, we're under that amount. So, even if we do unlimited play phase one of Village Green and the cabin, we won't exceed the amount that's set in the charter. And we could potentially, is that like a table stayed structure or some of the cheaper ones you were talking about? Yeah. Okay. So, and we could potentially do the um the shade thing and still be under the ceiling, right? Especially since we're doing restrooms as part of the unlimited play thing. And again, we've 1.2 million out of grants. And if the fundraising is successful as unlimited play has portrayed it to us, we'll also be slowly but surely taking that price down as we go along. Well, that's great. Saving money, but I just want to make sure we can get everything done. Um, so especially with the handicap components. Yeah. Um, the uh the um uh the Kevin work. Yeah. It's kind of I mean I you can build a whole house for 300 grand. You're exactly right. But this is kind of the difference between buying a fender at the auto parts store and putting it on an old car or hammering

out a fender and making the whole damn thing just, you know, look like it used to be. So, it's a the costs are I can see the value. I I can see the $300,000 because it's manual labor and it's specialized manual labor. The windows won't fit this and that sort of thing. So, I'm not I'm not appalled by the I don't have sticker shock on that particular item like I generally do. Um but um we have to decide whether we're going to let uh 10 years of inertia die on this cabin because if we don't do it now, it's the the logs as Joe suggested are going to rot. So, um uh I I think it's worth doing. How many logs do we have? Say thank you. How many logs do we have? We got enough for the I mean there's measure. You guys pick up pictures. Oh, we have three large pallets full stacked probably about six feet high. So you got like 40 or 50, right? Actually, you got four walls. You got four walls. He's got four walls. He doesn't have, as he said earlier, he does not have the windows, but it's a second story. No, it's just Well, there's a stair. Well, there is, but it's there's a little loft area. It's just a looks like if I might say something could I the chair could follow up on what he said. So um I I think I think we are to some degree nitpicking without a whole lot of experience on some of this stuff. Um and we've been given information about the log cabin. We've been given information about the updates um needed in the park. We've been given information about the inclusive play long-term project. And while I I know

we've got concerns about overspending on things, um I personally think that if this is going to be our main city gathering place for our events and other activities that we need to invest in it properly as we go along. Grants for different portions of it. where we can and then reaching out to the community. If we're reaching out to the community, my question um to Mr. Vunich and Miss Ripto is if we build it and they come, can we still reach out to the community to help offset those costs? Um if I may. Yes. Um my understanding was um with unlimited play that uh even after the playground is built they have on their website like in progress or completed but I think that you can leave the donation component open um and or naming components and so um up until it's constructed it offsets the cost for the city at the end of the day because they take the funding directly and so uh the city wouldn't have to deal with it at all. Yes, I think I would have to confirm, but it is my understanding having worked with other nonprofit organizations in buildings such as St. Louis Community College. Um it's been my understanding and I have done work with them where we go ahead and move forward with the project at the same time that we are asking for donations from the community

or from benefactors in various places. And um it's amazing how you can get additional funding once you have a few things out there for them to physically see and begin to touch. Uh suddenly uh additional funding becomes available. So, I would hope that we would not I would hope we would not continue moving forward with getting the cabin done um over concerns for a budget, especially when we've had the department indicate that they have located portions within the current budget cycle that we would be able to pay for this. Could could I say one thing real quick just so you guys u it's not I'm just I'm just giving you an idea but I I worked it up for the math that you were speaking about and there's been 32,740 papers put down so far. Um you have 32,740 naming rights. Um not including all of Well, I'm just telling you. I mean, my company is going to for Mayor's Grove, you have all of those that we don't even have those in yet. And then the walkway going up to the log cabin is all pavers also. And I was already going to approach after I got done because I'm going to be proud of this whole thing. I want Bombshell Construction to have a PA and it costs a little bit of money, but you have you can take them out with suction cups and name them and then put them right back in and place them and it's you have thousands upon thousands of, you know, it sounds like you're a future donor. I live in Wildwood. I mean, I live here.

I I want my name on on that. I'm glad to be a donor for something like that. And that's that's all I'm saying is I mean it may be you know get your name on a block for 500 bucks or 100 bucks or whatever it is and you you'll be immortalized until it's green over take 32,000 times 100 you pay for the whole park. I have one more question. Yes ma'am. So, it it's just been said that if we don't use the logs that they're going to rot. So, if we build this cabin, then are they going to rot? Well, they'll be treated once we get the cabin in place. What I'm saying is they're stacked. They're face toward this the elements and it's just the bugs and everything. So, it's not that they're going to fall apart immediately if they stay in storage. It's just each year we notice that the ends of them are getting more frayed. Um, so from the department's perspective, it's not as dire as maybe I described it, but it's just from the it the longer we wait, the less likely we are to be successful. more we wait and if we were to do it, we're using less and less of probably the original material. So I guess it's just from a historic preservation perspective, the more of the original logs we can use, the better and project either needs to be moved forward or not. I'll make that motion to move forward. We have a second. I will second, Mr. Rainbow seconds. Could we take a vote, please? All in. Do we need to do a voice an individual vote or fine? We can do an

all-incclusive vote. All in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Abstain. Abstain. Thank you. Okay. Something really quickly today, please. And this would be with bombshell, correct? Okay. Yeah. Make sure that name. might help. Uh if you have six logs laying there and six more on top and six more on top, the moisture and the bugs in that assembly is what causes deterioration. When you stack them up, they're it's dry on this side, dry on this side, and you've got the the joints in between. I forget what they call it, the mortar. The mortar between something else, but the chinking. Yeah. um and and they can withstand the elements for 100 years. Whereas if you have them laying there, they're gonna it it really really causes deterioration. So maybe that helps you understand what's going on with that does help. But my perspective is I think playground's more important. We can do both. So I think we need a railroad caboose, too. We need a what? A railroad caboose. See, the kids would love that. I could get one probably. But Kevin's going to be a focal. Yeah. Okay. So, I think Do we have any good idea? Do we have any other questions for our guest? We I was just gonna If you guys want me to stick around for Village Green, like, do you have questions about Village Green? Do you want me to I don't think so. I feel like it's looking good. Okay, fine. Show them and have dinner. Okay, I'm happy to do that. All right, thank you guys. Thank you. Have a good evening. Okay, if it's okay with the committee still drinking coffee, we will move back up to the park matters and start with item number one. Is that

okay? Mr. Vage, please. Thank you, Madam Chair. Madame Chair and members of the committee, as you know, when we began the discussions relating to the all-inclusive playground, Natalie McCabe, the owner of Unlimited Play makes comments relative to our existing facilities. Not necessarily negative comments but just that in period of time from their construction primarily starting in 2006 till now many changes have come to equipment accessibility requirements and standards and not in all instances has the city kept up with them because again there is no mandate to do such. So the thought was on the committee at the time, we may not be able to address all of them, but it would be nice to know through an audit of our playground facilities what needs to be done. Unlimited play over the course of a number of months was able to basically complete that audit and the results of the audit are in a report that's been prepared by unlimited. One of our last meetings it was asked that we do a chart that kind of indicates the location which in this case begins with anniversary parks what the trail headqu the items that have been identified in the analysis are audits of the unity and they talk about playground surfacing other surfacing primarily concrete walks and walkways pathways and aprons around the table and other play areas, audible descriptions on the trail quarters themselves, communication boards, swings, other equipment, sensory friendly areas, etc. The report did have in association with some of the items at some of the

locations the cost. So that was added to the chart as well. And as you can see the playground surfacing to make it let's say more friendly is the most expensive charge and then from there it varies. Some are relatively inexpensive in terms of today's cost for things on the other side of the coin. some if we actually did competitive bidding bidding and put them in a package instead of individual locations we might be able even find greater savings. So tonight the department is presenting the results of the audit. We would like to hear your feedback on what you think might be priorities. And then um as part of the upcoming um back up there, through your efforts, we are reallocating $15,000 from community development block grant funds per direction of the office of community development toward accessibility improvements in community park. So from that perspective, the department would like to have something to you in June recommending what it would like, but it would certainly want to hear from you tonight if you have a particular area. And then as part of our budgeting process, which will start here in a few months, present some thoughts on the um possible accessibility improvements in a a few other locations. We won't be able to do them all. So the idea is is maybe chip away at the things we can do over the course of a several number of years. Thank you, Mr. Brook. Um maybe I should know this, but I don't. I know we've discussed in the past that one of the priorities would be upgrading the child changing tables in the various restrooms. Um to me, that's a priority in all of the parks. I mean,

if we have to delay some of the other items, I can see doing that. But, uh, you know, before we worry about doing anything else, I don't want to see any children having to lie on the floor of a restroom. That would be I just I didn't put it as but that's the bathroom one. Exactly. And they identified or you don't have a facility. Okay. Sure. Why wouldn't I get a copy tonight? We'll see that. I can't talk on it. I don't know where it's at. I didn't get a copy. So, I don't know. Certainly, from this point forward, we'll make a paper all the That's what I've been talking about. I I apologize. The media decided to use the QR code. Yeah. Did they give you a pad, Jim? Did they Did you get an I don't have a pad. Yeah. Well, it's hard to that's hard. Colleen's working on it. I've I got called out last night, so I'm I'm trying to get on board. So, no, we'll get there. We'll get there. Well, and certainly you can have that. That's all right. I'll just listen. That's all. Can I follow up on on on my question um with the baby changing tables? Is that part of this because I don't see Yeah. Where is that? Is that reflected in these cost under bathrooms on the chart? Yes. So, is that the So, would the full cost of upgrading the baby changing tables be roughly $20,000 or does that cover other items in the bathrooms? Well, and again, I'm using the audit results from unlimited play, but okay, we've removed a facility at le because of damage, vandalism. Gleno, I don't think it'll fit there in

that permanent restroom facility. It's jam-packed in there already with all the mechanicals. So, um, Old Pond School, that would be inside the building, Green Pines, Gleno City Park, Community Park, and Anniversary Park. So, take those five, multiply it generally by anywhere from 5 to 10,000. So on the up side 50, on the low side 25,000. Okay. And we have $15,000 to at least address community parked bathroom facility. So five grand for per changing table. Is that what you're saying? That just seems to changing table. But if we have 15 grand, wouldn't we have enough to do more than just community park? Well, the the office of community development wanted us to pick one location, 150, I guess. Yeah. And the 15,000 we thought the community park because there's other projects in there relative to the communication boards, things along those lines that we thought we might be able to implement as well. And what do they mean by communication boards? Those are the they're they're attached to the railing or other improvements and you can basically you can move things around. Oh, okay. Um they have stories, things like that. I'm not an expert on this by any stretch. We have that at Green Pine. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I wasn't I didn't know what they were meaning by that term. So, who who does the work then? We bid the work. You just been it up. So, so what's the total cost if we do everything? Well, just to do old patent school, that's

$325,000. Add in the resurfacing, that's around $100,000 on five on four other parks. So, we're getting close to a million dollars just on surfacing. So, it would take quite a while to use a community development block grant funds to make a debt we get is $25,500 a year. Is that all we're getting now? Yeah, because we don't then we used to get more than that. No, it's always been that amount. That's the minimum amount, I'm told, because we don't have any low to moderate income areas. Yeah. But if we're trying to upgrade for um handicapped children, you would think they would give us more money. It has to do with the uh I know what it has to do with, but I think if you made a pitch, you might walk away with some more. Mr. Rainbow. Yeah. So Joe, um, can you describe the the the the current uh surface, play surface, typical play surface as versus the new stuff? Because I guess the new stuff is that rubberized uh almost flooring, but kids have been falling down in the grass forever. And um I'm just I I'm I'm struggling with that particular cost because that's a lot of money. And do we get injuries? Have we had injuries over? Definitely not. So what's the big deal? I guess. So I guess from an accessibility standpoint, those that have certain challenges, obviously they fall more often. And so from that perspective, we're trying to address it through this audit. And there are portions of the community park playground that aren't the soft rubberized surface. Um, so we'll buy the swing sets on those. Yeah. Yeah. I I guess so. Their

position was finish it. And that's what they're basically. Yeah. Unlimited funds, finish it, but we can take the 8020 approach and do the changing stations and the the things that seem important to us because we're building a fully accessible, gorgeous new facility. And if folks are limited to that for the time being, then I don't feel too bad about that personally, you know, and I'm a I'm a help every kid, you know, reaches his his or her potential. So, um, that's just my take. Anything else? No, no, that's it. Thanks. Real quickly, I just wanted to double check. Um, what's the cost that we spend on mulch in each of these parks each year? It was in the tens of thousands of dollars. Okay. So 50,000 between all the parks probably. Yeah, because we have there's a couple things. We get special mulch that's been treated so it doesn't create like rashes or Yeah. Allergic reactions from the kids and everything. So okay. And the little bitty kids stick in their mouth. We we can look at the playground sort of the same component as part of next year's budget and see if we want to pick one that possibly we can do it. But for right now, I think the concurrence was working on the restroom issue for everyone. Do we need to take a vote on that or if you would then I'll get started on get started. I'll make that motion. Do we have a second? I'll second it. Thank you, Deb. And if you could go ahead and I I opposed. I'm sorry. I'm just watching Miss Ripto White really diligently. So, I was trying to giving a busy three for three. Joe, is there anything else on this particular topic that we need to go

over? Is there anything else on this topic that we need to go over? But no matter. Okay. So, moving on to the next topic. That would be Joe's pickle ball court. That's what we need to name it. Joe's pickle ball court. Madam chair. Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the committee. This particular item was presented to you over a series of meeting at the start of the year as the project relative to the apartment complex and the improvements associated with that was also moving in a parallel track. As we got closer to the point where we were in a position to bid for the pickle ball courts, we also had the cost concerns rise with the Route 100 safety improvements and the old state road resurfacing with the high friction surface. The department recognized that there's a lot of moving parts to our capital improvements program in 2025. So it brought this to the committee and asked the committee do we want to proceed given all of the things that are happening around us relative to the funding we have available for this fiscal year. The committee did not want to necessarily make the decision that same night but asked who we did another cost estimate and see if it's more expensive or the same or less expensive. Mr. Kitel was asked to provide that cost estimate because he is working on a system of pickle ball courts up in the city of Florida and not to anyone's surprise got more expensive. Um and the numbers that are on page two do not include another

$30,000 per se but make a long story short has gotten more expensive over time. situation relative to our capital improvements program is just for it something we want to proceed forward with the bidding for 2025 or is it something that we will see thank you yes um so I I've had some concerns all along since it was moved from the park you know that o over to this site. I heard you talking about the decimal sounds that the court would make. Can you go over that? Well, what we what we're seeing a little bit of background I'll do as quickly as I can. There are what the department is witnessing over the course of the last year or so is that many people on the larger lot areas in the city are starting to install pickle board courts. And a lot of the research that we have have uncovered and investigated indicates that consistently that's an issue because of the sound of the paddle and ball. I guess the ball is fairly hard and the paddle and the ball on the surface make a lot of noise. So the most recent one that the planning and zoning commission acted upon, we required some sound mitigation efforts. So, we're in the middle of town center, which for all intents and purposes is probably at the best location in some regards, but we are in close proximity to several subdivisions. And so, from the perspective of the department, we've asked as part of the plan development to address as best as possible the noise component. There's not much you can do

other than solid wall, which we didn't do because of cost. But all in all, we're cognizant of the no noise associated with it. And that's one of the reasons we didn't initially show lighting as part of it. It'd be more of a daytime activity and not a nighttime activity. I'd rather be. So, all in all, it's a popular very popular sport. A lot of people that live in Wildwood ask about it on probably a weekly, monthly basis. Um, again though, I just recognize that we've got a lot of lot of challenges we didn't anticipate at the start of the year, road improvements that obviously the state of Missouri has imposed upon us. Um, things like that. So, I just want to make sure I don't want to go to bid, get bids, and then come back and then, you know, that's just a difficult process because the contractors spend time on the bidding process, and I I'd prefer to tell them we're not going to do it, but we're going to wait and then move back. The plans will be will be applicable regardless of what time, but we already have plans. Yeah. And so um my other concern is the developers come forward with many many projects for that area. None of them has come to fruition. So what is the likelihood that this is going to move forward? I mean can you even guess that? I mean, well, in conversations with Mia Rose, the multi multiple family developer and Greenberg Development, Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenberg, um, a lot of the funding has been

pledged. Um, as you know, they're asking for a sales tax exemption for construction materials and then some um relief to the property tax as the project goes from construction to first initial leasing and then over the course of the next nine to 10 years. Um, so is it going to happen? My inclination is yes because I used the same gauge I used with Prime Place. I'm still receiving plans. They basically submitted a check for $47,000 for the the bond council Gilmore and Belge to basically prepare the information necessary for the application for the chapter 100. So they're investing money into the project still. And from my perspective, I see that as the projects moving forward. There was a point at Prime Place where it just went silent. And that's when obviously you as the city council started to wonder what is going on and why is trailer there? It's never open. Those kinds of things. So I don't see any of those telltale signs. But I again I was an advocate of the prime place because I was told it was moving forward. I'm an advocate for this because I think it could be a benefit to our downtown district, but as I say, I know Mia Rose um they have many projects underway. They don't do project, they don't start projects and not finish them. So that's the factor that's maybe a little different this time around. They are a well-known football family developer. Yeah, thank you for that. I um I I'll just make my comment right now and that is um I I have concerns for the residents

who live around who would be in that area and then I mean I have been asked for years why doesn't the city have pickle ball courts? So, I wouldn't get reelected at this point, but um I can understand given the budget why we might decide to wait on that project and if a developer is going to give us money then when they get further down their project, you know, their their project to completion and then they want to give us money or if we have money at that point and put it back in the budget. I mean, and every I'm not exaggerating. Everybody I've talked to wanted wants it in community park. They they don't want it. They want part of this. They want it community park. I think that's a place to put it myself. But if we need to save money somewhere, then I'm okay not having those. And you know how long I've been talking about those. Uh Director Vunich, regarding uh sound mitigation for a proposed pickle ball court down here. You mentioned noise. I'm not sure we came to a conclusion on the sound mitigation. Are you are you recommending that if they are constructed there has to be some type of sound mitigation that is constructed along with it or are you saying that we don't need it but the noise may be an issue? Um I don't know if the noise will be an issue. Um Satenberg because at this stage I don't know if it'll be washed out so to speak by traffic on Taylor Road Manchester. We have a pretty substantial distance to the first set of residences in the manners at the Meadows of Cherry Hills. So what we've done to date is we dropped the elevation caused a little more grading on the site, but we dropped the

elevation of the pickle ball courts. So as we trying to tamp them down, so to speak, we moved all the landscaping up from the bottom of the slope on the south side of the pickle ball courts up next to the pickle ball courts. And the last step, and I haven't yet talked with um the the stock and associates, is actually instead of doing, let's say, a solid wall, weaving in some type of it's a chain link fence, vinyl coated chain link fence, weaving in some kind of slat system to at least help with some of the mitigation of sound. So, we've made a couple of steps already. I think there's one more. And this would all be on the south side because north it faces toward Deersburg, right? East to Durburg and west toward the commercial area downtown district. Would there be any shrubbery or trees between the pickle ball courts and and old Manchester? Yes, we pushed it. They really first had it at the base of the slope more down toward Manchester Road. We moved it up to the edge of the pickle ball courts thinking the closer it is to the source of sound the better. Right. And what we're talking about doing with this project is moving ahead with it, but budgeting for it for 2026. Is that what we're taking a look at? We actually have funds this year. We have $500,000 set aside. Okay. But that was set aside at the end of 2024, not knowing we'd pay $700,000 more to the state of Missouri for Route 100 safety, things like that. So, I just want to be cautious and I don't want you all to have to stand in the front of the rest of city council and say, "Yeah, we we know we've got stress, but we want to do the pickle ball courts." That kind of thing. So, I I guess if you don't mind me just sort of wrapping up here, I guess I'm thinking sort of addressing several people's concerns here.

this the pickle ball courts were intended originally to be part of the um Greenberg development project and the Greenberg development project assuming it goes ahead and that's a big assumption maybe at this point in time uh since they were to be part of that Greenberg development project that project is not going to be anywhere near completed until 2027 maybe 18 months. Yeah. So we don't we can still do the pickle ball courts at some point in time. We just don't have to do them right now. Understanding of course that cost materials and so on for this that project would probably increase like it does for everything else. But I I guess I'm sort of well you continue to have residents who have been asking for pickle ball courts going when are the pickle ball courts getting here? I'm sorry. I'm gonna take Mr. Rambo, Mr. CR. Yeah. Um, I supported the hard surface play courts from the very beginning. Um, and I'm I'm I'm sold on them as a community resource and benefit. Community park, I was opposed to that location from the very beginning because the noise is obnoxious. It's and it's constant and it's all about context for me. If it's in the city center, people going into Deerbergs here. Oh yeah, there's activity over here. People are having fun and whatnot. And um if it's in community park, people are trying to picnic and so on and so forth. And the pickle ball court location that the only one that was viable was there in the great meadow which chews up some of the great meadow, but it's also right between our two picnic shelters and you know close against them. And so the noise would be I'm not sure you I don't know how much you've you guys have se seen pickle ball

played but the noise is obnoxious and I wouldn't want to have a family picnic there with that kind of nonsense going on. I do think the Town Center location is great if we can make that happen. And I think Town Center is actually further from homes than the one in Community Park because that other subdivision at the northeast corn northwest corner of 109 and 100. I forget the name of it. Mystic some maybe it's Yeah. Windsor Crest. Yeah. Yeah. Windsor Crest. But um that is those homes are very close and they have a trail and you know everybody walks down there and so on and so forth to community park. So, it's really their park more than more than any anything. But I would argue against trying to move the location back to community park on that basis alone. But, um, if we can afford it, we probably ought to do it because there's a lot of I would pick a second. Mr. CR is next, but I want to make it just a quick I concur with Mr. Rambo and that having that kind of noise level and that that park is not an appropriate place. We have had citizens as Miss McCutchen has said want to come into town center and our economic development committee meetings. We have talked about the benefit of having that pickle ball court here during the daytime so that people will attend to lunch in the restaurants or dinner in the restaurants in the area, maybe go shopping before or after. It draws people in and so um we also have a current resident of Wildwood who is donating that property to the city so that we can build the pickle ball court. Mr. crayons. Uh pop pop pop. I mean, I had a condo up in uh Iowa and there was a pickle ball

court. I didn't bother me. But uh I think that's an argument next year. I like to make a motion just to postpone this until 2026 so we could do all the finetuning then. Uh like uh Scott, do we have a second on that motion? I second said that, you know, this is if they build it, our department, it's 18 months, so there's there's no need to spend our money this year. I I second that. I would have a request of the department. I don't know if now's the time to say it, but can you um say it? Can you get us some um some data or some information or some certainly some some tangible data concerning the noise level of a community pickle ball court as opposed to one that belongs to a condo association which might not have as as well you'll be next to an apartment complex too. I'm sorry. Won't that pickle ball be next to the co That's the apartment folks problem. I'm not concerned with new people bu moving in because they know what they're getting. I'm concerned with the people that actually live there already and don't you know suddenly they I really don't have an opinion on yet where to build it. It may make sense to build it downtown. I agree draw people down here but uh so my question was Joe can you can you get provide that data as next time we this sub subject comes up Mr. Duvary has already done some extensive research I think we have some pretty good information on it. What's your impression? Am I all wet or is that reasonably accurate? Um, community park was a selection that the department endorsed because we own the ground and it was in the center of the park away from residential areas. I concur. Moving it over here just brings another thing into town center that bring makes people want to come here. And more people we get here, the better it is for everybody.

So, is the motion on the table that we postpone this for 2026 for discussion of the 2026 budget and determine at that point as we're doing our budget discussions coming up whether that pickle ball court moves into 2026 or it continues to be postponed until 2027. Is that your motion? Yeah. To 26. To 26. Didn't you say 26? Well, I said potentially. Jim's proposal was to delay it to6 and by that time we will know the status of the green development project etc. and the t more about the more about what the economy is. Yeah. I mean, we could conceivably in 2026 take another vote and delay it if we think it's necessary. I understand what you're saying, but from the perspective of a resident, yeah, I think that not may not fly as well. I think if you're going to back it up, you should back it up to 27 and then if you have the funding, then go ahead and do it. I think that they're they're getting tired of being put off with like the basketball thing and the tennis court and now pickle ball thing. Well, that that's the reason for doing it in 2026. I know. I understand what you're saying. Um and then my last comment is, you know, the residents own this city. We work for them. So when we have a lot of residents who are saying they want this type of facility in the community park, I think we should listen to them. They elect us, we work for them, that's what the residents want, then that's what we should do. Um I

don't I don't understand. I mean, everybody has their own perspective, but we don't know for a fact how many people have picnics by that pavilion or by the other pavilion and how much impact that would really make. We don't know that. But I asked for that data, but we know we do know how many people reserve the pavilions. And I I have I have personally never been asked about a pickle ball. Oh, I have been for years. Not pickle ball. I have for the basketball team. I've never been asked about it either. I repeatedly have been asked for that for years. the basketball courts and the tennis courts. Um, yes, Mr. Rottenberg. So, let's bring some control back. I would just say that um, so I know where you're coming from, Deb, in terms of residents asking for it in community park. I think we did take a vote to move it to the town center area. I wasn't here when you did that. I've had a number of restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants restaurant restaurants h excuse me a number of residents it's been a long day number of residents ask about pickle ball courts when I tell them that we're construct them in town center no one has had a problem with that one or two people did say well I heard they were going to be constructed in community park and when I explained to them that yes they were but we felt that it would be better positioned in town center to drop people into town center they're okay with it So you may have had a different experience than I have, but that's been my experience so far. Yeah, I had a very different experience. I've also had residents who said community park needs to be quiet quieter. I mean that was the whole premise for community park in the first place was active not Mr. CR. Let's just vote on it. I guess follow the question. We have a motion and a second and a second. All in favor? I I

opposed. Abstain. Thank you. Okay, so we've got one and two. Um, we've got the sculpture on the move program that Miss Ripto is prepared to go over if you want to have a discussion on that one. Yes, my mom. She's playing dual role here. So, okay. Secretary and thank you chair and uh members of the committee. Um I don't know how familiar you are with the sculpture on the move program, but it is a program that the city used to participate in and stopped. I think last year was 2023. Um the sculpture on the move program is offered by the creative community alliance. Um essentially it was designed to bring uh to make it easier for artists to work with organizations such as municipal and nonprofits and such in order to bring art into the community. And so, um, it was intended to streamline this process and get artists in contact with the actual, um, organizations. And, uh, it's it's a fun program. Um, and so participating participating communities, they facilitate the installation of public art on a temporary basis. It's a two-year term, and the city's actually signed the contract with the artist for that two-year term. uh the art has to remain on um it remains on display, but it it's also for sale uh the entire time. So, it helps the artist out as well. And at the end of the two years, the city can opt to purchase it uh choose a different sculpture, not participate in the program. So, there's

no commitment beyond the two-year term um and or switch it out with another like participate in the program again that year. So, the city um you might recall these uh these two installations were here I believe in 2023. Um the purple twist was out front and then the cactus was in the back uh by the garden. Um, and so, uh, these typically, uh, the cities, um, choose like five of their favorites and it's kind of a draft program where they draw which city goes first and then you get to pick your first selection and then so on so on, similar to sports teams. Um, and so hopefully you get your first selection, but maybe not. Um, and so typically that happens in February and then the art is installed in April or May. So the city has missed the window for that. uh you need to commit by December. However, um we reached out to uh the program and they still had um sculptures that were that hadn't been chosen and so they sent us um a bunch of sculptures that hadn't been chosen and we narrowed it down to I think it was 20 or so upstairs and just put them on the wall and took a vote within uh the department well the entirety of city team and narrowed it down to five sculptures. Oh, there it is. Uh, which I have all here. And so, um, this evening the city is, uh, or the department is looking for a little bit of guidance as far as this program is concerned. Is this something that we would like to participate in? Um, and if so, we can still get a sculpture and it would still put us relatively um in place to participate in two years. So, we could

get one for the front of city hall this year and it's just signing a contract with the artist and we'd arrange it so that that the display would be moved if we participated again um few years from now and then next year the city could actually participate the way that you're supposed to participate for the art. you can buy a statute, one of those statutes for for sale. Is so all the statues are actually for sale. Okay. Um we would kind of be renting them through this program and then the city would have the option to purchase it, but so would anybody else that came along and saw it. What is the cost? Because the the sale price was like 78,000 for most of those pieces that I saw. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so it's $1,000 a year to participate and so it' be a two-year contract. So it' be $2,000 per sculpture. This one we were thinking of starting with a sculpture out front um and then potentially do the one in the back. Um and so essentially the department is looking for guidance as to whether we'd like to bring this program back and if we would do we want to do that now and reach out to one of these artists. I narrowed it down to five because we don't know if the art is still available because they might have gone through a different program or sold. Are these moved around to city to city? So, how long would we have one of those statutes? Two years. Yeah. And then in two years and we get a different one. After the two years, we can choose to purchase it or we can swap it out with another one and participate in the program again. And so, they would pick up theirs and then the next contracted artist would bring $78,000. It's well just to rent them like essentially. Yeah. How much for Oh, yeah. The sculptures vary quite a bit. And um yeah, the ones that were so typical rent um two years $2,000. Yeah, $2,000 a year for two years. So 2,000 correct is what I read. So would want to buy one year? Well, um and we can opt to buy one or we

can continue to participate year after year and um a lot of cities have multiple sculptures in different locations. We buy money for We do indeed. How much? It's $1,000 per year. So, it would be $1,000 every year. And then if we participated next year and had one in back as well, then it would be $1,000 per sculpture. So, it'd be $2,000 a year. Um, if we went with more than one sculpture. Are these local artists or is it more global? See that? You know, are they local artists or is it more global? Um, so it's both. Yeah, it is. Uh some some people are from out of state. Uh it usually tells you where they're from on there and so you can choose local. Okay, Mr. Rambo, some of them were going to kind of deliver. They were willing to deliver and so on and so forth. But it goes, just to be clear, it goes on a cycle like if we got one one year, we get one here back here the next year and then we change this one out the following year and change this one out. So it's every year. Yeah. So it's every other year. Every other year. Yeah. For for for for it would be every other year in that in that sense. every other year per sculpture, but we'd participate every year if we had one in front and one in back. And that was very cool. Those sculptures were I like I think it's just a great great idea. So, do they last? I mean, they're iron or Yeah. They'll be there forever. Yeah. Well, and the cost is cheap. So, I you know, we can talk all we want, but I'd like to make a motion that we let second it. I'll second. Just too a bargain. Um, so we have a motion by Mr. Rambo so I can find Mr. CR. Okay, I think it would be that easy, huh? I was hoping it would be that easy. I would also like to seek guidance if you have any preferences when I reach out to them as to the first second. We narrowed it down to five. So just in case um the

top two here, so this one and the flower over here, those were the top two choices within city staff. Um and then the others were runners up. Uh, but if if you would like to provide guidance as to which ones you would like to see or don't want to see, I'd be happy to cross those off. They can pick. I'd be for the city staff to pick one. Or you could put the flower out back and do the back. I think it'd be more fun to do it every other year, you know, that way. No, I I agree. I'm saying the flower the first year because people will be coming to look at the village green and stuff anyway. And the flower belongs back there where our garden is is the only that's my thinking. Well, there doesn't get a whole lot of view back in the garden, right? I think waiting until the the the park gets more finished and there's more. Aren't we going to start using because the last one, as you can see from the drawing or from the photo here, there was one out here so that it was a long purple one kind of thing so that people could see that as it was they were going by. Um, and this one is lit also. Um, yeah, to that it's only it's only but it's only about it's not very tall. I think it's like three feet or so. Do we have power at those locations? Those two solar power lighting. Oh, really? Yeah. Miss McCutchen. Um, oh jeez, I lost my train of thought. No, I what I was going to say was the one in the back I don't think really got viewed enough, did it? I did. I don't think so. I mean, people worked in the community garden, I think, saw it, but I don't think anybody else knew it was really back there. Um, and I I really like the thought if maybe at some point we could put it in the village green rather than just out here. So, make a pad for it now while he's the two kids up there that circles. I

don't disagree with Deb, but I I just the fl I saw the flower and I thought here's our garden and people will be parking in the parking lot for Village Green and it I figured it gets seen, but um but you're probably right. The best place to do it is out here in the corner, Mr. Rottenberg. Um so I have I would favor top two flower and the couple to me both are sort of indicative of what we're doing here on Wildwood. But but here's a silly question I have. Why can't they both be out front? I mean, they could theoretically. We have a concrete I think we have a space in Salt, you know, for it deliberately. And so we could essentially have both of them out front or we could have one here and one in community park. Like it doesn't really matter. The agreement that we have to make is that it's in a place that's, you know, visible and, you know, so the artist also gets recognized as well. And so, yeah, and that's kind of part of the reason we were thinking out front this year because then we can kind of figure out what we want to do in the back of the building with the park and everything next year. Where would the other spot out in front? Because I know where the one was down in the Would it be like closer to the door or what would we do? One of the sculptures out front at a time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and we're only getting one this next year. Two out front. I'm asking where the second location would be out front. Actually, I would say if we ended up with two sculptures, we would balance them at either end and as soon as Village Green is ready, move it over there. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, but we're only getting one sculpture this year. Correct. That was the thought. So, we don't have to worry about that until next year. Okay. So let's move our discussion back to do we want to make a recommendation on which currently on the floor is the two people and the flower

the top level ones. Um, does anybody else have any I'd like to know the size of the the relative size of the other two. You can kind of see with Um, so the flower is about 9 ft tall. Says 9 by 4 by3. Um, the people it looks like is 7 and 1/2 ft by 3 feet by 2 feet. And I think the artist will work with you on color if I'm not mistak any color. Yeah, it's it's called princess bird is um 8 feet by 5t x 5t. Which one's which one's princess bird? That one there and the other one is the middle one is 3 by3 63 in tall the drama. So I'd say I like the birds but wait whatever this one is down here. I like that one. This one? Yeah. Would you call it Mrs. Bird? What? That's the princess bird. Princess Bird is great. The flower is great, too. So, we we as a committee get to decide that. Yep. What do you think? I got input from the staff. I I just Well, well, they already voted. They voted on those two. I didn't participate. I have no taste. So, well, they said they narrowed it to stopping us, Joe. 20 or so. So, I just went with the top 20. So, we'll make the final pick, right? These two actually tied for first. Um, and then I think this one really and that one I think tied for a second. I think that one came in. I like Yeah, the bird. I like the flower, too. We just point to them. We'll raise our hand, right? Or we can make the decision that staff will determine which ones go out here. I'm up for anything. We like all three. We like those. We've chosen three out of

the five people and the flower and the bird. Yeah. Whatever they can get, we'll get whichever one we can get. I vote for the people. I'm just one vote then. Thank you all for making those votes. I know it's hard. Thank you so much. I didn't bring this in. That was the easiest one. This is fun. Hopefully we'll be able to get together. Thank you so much for doing the followup on it. Yeah, it is good. And everybody needs to understand, don't we have some local artist artwork say at the entrance back here to the city hall and we've got the for the flowers. Yes. Um you voted to move forward with the program. And then as far as the Yeah, the sculpture as far as the sculptures themselves, there wasn't a vote on it. We didn't want to vote on that. I thought Well, there's an availability issue. So, we just told those three. So, I'm prioritizing these three. Oh, I leave those two off and unless of course those three are not available and then we'll move on to those two. All right. Excellent. Well, thank you very much. Okay. We have our village green phases one and two updates. Um I know we've had some talk on some things but not on everything. So Mr. Vunich, take it away. Thank you, Madam Chair. Madame Chair and members of the committee, I'm going to be very brief. Included in the first segment of this presentation is the design for the switch gear which will be substantially less in cost than the duck bank that was originally proposed to underground the utility lines. We are waiting on emer's cost related to their

work as part of the installation of the switcher and taking the electrical lines underground. As Mr. Do mentioned tonight he is working with Ryan hold electric cost together for the components that they do before Aland Missouri shows up on the site. Just to give you an update we are about a million and a half dollars of expenditures for the project. Again the bulk of that came very early on with the storm harder work and the installation of the underground punch facilities. There was discussion of the change orders. As you can see, we basically have upgraded the light standards, so to speak, to be compliant with our requirements of the zoning, the outdoor lighting requirements. We'll talk a little bit later about the trash enclosure. The mayor's grove is relocating over. Mr. Dob mentioned that. Um the electrical work for Essen Login was an add-on as well. water meter pit that's complete undergrounding of the lines the pavers the organic lock I do want to make one mention about the pavers that was a suggestion that came from bombshell construction versus over the organic lock although they're not complete as there's still work to be done it was a great decision on eurall's part to go with that going to be less maintenance last a lot I really think there's going to last outside of the panel. So, if there's any questions on the switch gear or any of the components of of the upload and I'm going to turn it over to Micode two. Can anyone spell diuretic? I'll be right back. I was just getting it ready. Asked if can we have a break? It's a little more information than I needed. Let's go take a five five minute break. And jeez, Katie, that's generous.

Well, hopefully everybody will be back sooner than that. But at 7:30, you'll be in the meeting. Yep. Absolutely. We have in the past. Mr. Galani is very precise. Yeah. Yes. We're We're kind of running over here a little bit. We don't want to extend the meeting. Yeah, we did. didn't say anything. You rehashed the old days how to bring business conversation a while. How do you bring in new business? You know, I said it was the best meeting I've listened to in a long time. I listened to the economic development meeting. I told said earlier that it was the best meeting conversation. Good. Got a lot done. What'd you get done? Um voted to do away with the sign escro program. Okay. And uh see what else did we do? We endorsed digital signs and all non taxies. So that was city hall. You're right. Nothing else. No. Okay. I just want to make sure you stated that. Okay. Um I'm trying to think of what else we did. One or two items we pushed forward. Those are two big things I can think about. Okay. Yeah. Who's the chair this time? You good job. You know, last year, how many meetings did we have where we showed up and we did not have a qu and at least two if not maybe three

and u makes it hard to get anything done. Yep. So, I had a little nice little friendly reminder. If you can't make it, let us know ahead of time. different for no other reason than we let you know the rest of the committee. Yeah. Yeah. Before they even get here. Yeah. So, what I'm going to try to do is make it a point besides the agenda which gets sent out ahead of All right.

We allow you to take unmuted us and then bring it back and that's final one day just process down. We did that last night, didn't we? Unnecessarily throw away all Okay, let's continue on. I'm sorry. Um, Miss Ripto, I think you're up next with the single source contract and fundraising. Excellent. Um, okay. So, yes, uh, thank you, chair, and members of the committee. Um, so yes, this is twofold and they're not exactly related, so I'll address them separately. Um, and if you wanted to vote on them separately, that would be okay as well. Um, as far as the single source contracting, uh, the city council approved the conceptual design of the premier park, um, and the premier playground in the park. And the next step in the development is design and engineering of the bidding plans and specs. And then at the time in which this was approved, uh the department anticipated that once the bid components were completed um which were which included the plans and specs uh the site development components um which include the grading, drainage, utilities and other items that this would then be bid out. Well, the department uh recently met with all-inclusive to discuss the next steps and details of the associated contract, and they offered the option of using them as kind of like one-stop shopping. They go through Sourcewell, which meets the state's requirements for the bidding process because they're all pre-bid through Sourcewell, which would eliminate us having to go through that step, which then would eliminate the time associated with going through that step, as well as the time for preparing the RFQ and all of that um information. And so sid should the city choose to

move forward with unlimited play as a single source contract um they uh also mentioned that one of their preferred contractors that they work with and the one that they would like to work with on this project is Ideal Landscape Group which um they've had experience they've done their other projects so it's not an unknown factor and uh Ideal has also done several projects in Wildwood so the city is also familiar with their work and and their the exceptional quality of their work. So this would be a preferred contractor of the cities as well. So this seemed like a win-win um to that extent. And so um if this is a direction that we would like to move forward with, then we can work on a contract that includes all of the steps instead of bidding out that one component. um because right now the city would be um they'd be doing the design and engineering, they're also getting all the equipment and so they're already doing most of it. And so that's something that we want to move forward with. It will save us time and time is kind of important with this one because we have a grant for $575,000, but it is supposed to be um completed within 18 months, which is approximately one year from now. And so we need to get moving move that one. Um any questions? Yeah, I'm sorry. I got lost. What What project? This is the Unlimited Play playground over here. Playground facility. Oh, okay. Yes. So, Unlimited Play uh remind me is a nonprofit organization. Correct. Correct. Right. Then I feel very comfortable with this. Yes. And so that they just they have it set up and I think for a reason because they're it's a very specialized thing. And so therefore them being able to go through source well is also helpful because you know they're not having to retrain contractors and refigure out how to work together. And so I think that I think it's a really good setup that they have

um going on there and then I will also address the fundraising component because that was also brought up at our meeting. Do we need to vote about we can do that now or if you want to wait until the end. Um I am I wish with however you would like to proceed. Go ahead vote now. Yeah, let's let's vote on then. I would make the motion to um proceed with um unlimited play as the general contractor, I guess. Is that the way I should phrase it? Correct. All right. Do we have a second? Mr. Rambo seconds. All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Okay, that one's taken care of. Excellent. Well, I'll zip through this one. I should be able to zip through this one, too, because I think half of it was already handled. So um I will start here because I think that this is the interesting part. Um so uh director Vunage uh addressed um the fundraising component parts of the fundraising component that they also offer and it is all part of their service. So that's that's the good thing about it is that they do a lot of the work. the city will still have to do some of the work like they don't actually go out um looking for donations and um reaching out to people but you know this type of facility that is for you know all-incclusive children it tends to attract attention and thus you can also go outside of the city limits they actually um in a city like Wildwood which is predominantly a bedroom community with small business entities that we have a hard time pressing you for a $300 banner for celebrate Wildwood. Um going outside to larger organizations or organizations that are very supportive of this type of thing, maybe children's hospital corporations do that. I I I know Union Pacific uh in fact, I used to deliver foundation checks. Uh and uh you might look at some

of the corporations in town that that foundation. That's correct. Yeah. Well, and that's also um you know, although we might be a bedroom community, given the demographics of Wildwood, you know, we probably have a lot of people that work outside of the city of Wildwood that could also bring this to their organization. Um they would also put it on their website and this was uh really cute. So this is um under the unlimited play website and they have a little map and so we would actually go on here and so they actually have like a little ticker as to we would set however much we're trying to you know Yes. And it varies quite a bit. Um some of them it's 350,000 some some it's 615 some it's 3 million. And so this would go on there. People would be able to donate straight through their website. So the city wouldn't have to handle that and set up all the accounts related to that. It would just essentially reduce the cost of what we would be spending on the playground. And this playground we already have pretty much funded. It's slightly over budget which could be addressed um that you know relatively easy by you know taking something down in the park or you know finding another source for it. So again, we have the 575,000 that we have raised, but um through the uh grant, but this could offset additional um Oh. Oh. Is there any way we can change the name of our park so that it's not at the bottom of the list and it's in the A range? Maybe. Um, so just so that I can take you here because I think that so in here they have you donate to this playground. It's got about the

playground and such. Um, but it also has um like a cute flyover video for the people. in which they actually show what our park would look like and and whatnot. That's a little choppy going through Zoom, but I also have Melanie, would it be possible to put a URL on the homepage of our website? Yes. So that it links to our specific site here on this. Yes. If you look up um where it says Carnebell Elementary School. Yeah. I can't read that from here. Yes. So it would take people right there. We could put QR codes in our newsletters. We could promote it however we wanted to, but they would also help us promote it. Okay. Um and then if you go into this um like the I put a couple of copies of their brochure that they would offer. Um, this is what director Vunich was referring to as far as them including the cost of the equipment. And so people could sponsor specific equipment or and we we could make those decisions essentially. Some of them have an overall we're trying to get $650,000. Some of them are sponsor this and then you also have the choice of do we want a placard on the individual equipment or near the equipment or do we just want to have like a board that thanks all of our sponsors and you could categorize it however you'd like. Some of them have sponsorship divided by um cutesy little names you know as far as the sponsors are concerned. And so I mean essentially this is a service that they offer. They also through this they would also um provide advice on grants that we could

potentially apply for and things like that and and given that it is no additional charge it would be a little additional work on our end but I mean so if it's if it's successful um great and if it's not we're no worse off than we are now and essentially the park you know will still get built um but it could offset or that money could then go to things like the SNL log cabin or the stage or whatnot. Mr. Ramble, very quick question. Um, sure. We were talking um about more mundane sales, benches, bricks, those kinds of things. How do we dovetail that? How do we integrate that um that overall um initiative with this specific one on on unlimited play? Because it it's really it's part and parcel of the same thing, but we're referring people to hey, if you want to donate, go here. No, no, if you want to donate, go here. How do we I think that as far as those two programs are concerned, I think that those are two separate programs, but I we can talk to them and see if the bricks can be incorporated into the bricks are like more of a commemorative like we also talk about benches and so forth. I mean, we talked, you know, large small scale to large. I'm trying to think of an a way to integrate that idea or if somebody is, you know, committing $12,000, $10,000, they get a free brick with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, I feel like, you know, maybe that's how we commemorate our our sponsor as our donors. I would say that we go back to Unlimited Play and ask how can we make this um site specific to our needs and include not only what this program is providing, but also what the city is sponsoring as

well. include both of those items on the list so that if I'm a mom of five kids, I do not have $10,000 sitting in my bank account right now, but I'd really like to donate a brick. Right. Tell me what it's going to cost to donate a brick back to our Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah. For that piece of it, you could still probably get him to put a link. Absolutely. And if you look at the options, there's options of, you know, just contributing towards the donor walls. your name would just be put on the wall or equipment sponsorship or some of them even have naming of the park, you know, and so I don't know if that's a direction that we would necessarily want to go, but maybe it is, you know. Yeah. Um and so it's a matter of figuring out the best way, the best approach that the city could um seek sponsorships. And I again I don't think that having think having the ability of donating less is better um for sure. But having that ability for people to donate $12,000 I can't argue with that. Um and I would say that the um other bonus to this is well I would say that as far as the discussion earlier concerning seeking sponsorship for log cabin versus seeking sponsorship for unlimited play. I feel like we have the resources to do it with unlimited play with assistance and and with a program that's already set up and as long cabin we've been seeking donations for four years and haven't been completely successful with it. And so I think and what does that tell you? Well and that's that's it. But I feel like this you know there is a potential they have brought in this this gives us the possibility to look at this methodology to provide a vehicle to engage our community in provide in giving us donations for these activities. Absolutely. Um and so I I would strongly suggest that we figure

out some way that this is on the homepage. Oh, absolutely. We will incorporate it wherever we possibly can. It'll be on the village green. It will be on the homepage. It will be pushed out through social media. And then whatever their resources are for pushing it out. Um well, I think a really good time, especially for the the bricks and the benches, would be celebrate Wildwood. I think that would be a really good time to get That's part of the reason we're eager to move forward, like get this ball rolling sooner than later. They said that they could have a catalog for us relatively quickly. And um I would look at deer birds too and and shnooks and just make a personal uh visit with them or and uh they they'll probably donate a good chunk of change. It's a worthwhile cause, you know, and I feel like the Esau cabin, I hear people that are, oh, you know, it's too much. And then I hear people that are, oh gosh, we have to it's been 10 years. I feel like that's people tend but I feel like an all-inclusive playground everybody is like it's for the children, you know. the log cabin. In fairness, you there's nothing you can't put a plaque on. You can put 20 plaques on the log cabin, right? You know, it's not like a like a brick. But my question actually, I'm jumping in. I'm sorry. But um I really would like to know if they set the prices for those items or if if we have some flexibility if we say, "Okay, if somebody pays five grand, we're going to name this bent name this seesaw after them as opposed to 12,000 to actually buy the seesaw." I believe that we can name those prices. I think they'll give us, you know, their catalog as to how much it costs. And then I think that we can offset it because we do already have some of the funding. Um, and then also, you know, possibly have like, you know, gold level sponsors and whatever that aren't necessarily. Um, I'm I'm going to recommend that we take a vote on whether we want to move forward with a this type

of a program and put that responsibility for the details with Melanie and with all-incclusive play so that we get the biggest bang for our buck on the first go around. I'll make that. I do have one question. So, are you including the bricks through this program or potentially? Yes. If I can, then absolutely. I don't know if they have the capacity for putting the names and stuff. I'd be a little concerned at doing that because then somebody would be more willing to to donate less than more. And if they don't have the option to de to donate, donating $12,000. Exactly. I like this. But yeah, if we can combine the two, that would be great. If not then we'll make sure that they are you know referenced um you know together or multiple places. Yes Mr. advantage. Just from the the department's perspective, I want to depend on unlimited play to tell us how how best to maybe fund some of these larger items. And if they were to say that adding the bricks or benches at this time may draw away from that, I would depend on their expertise. They were very confident their ability to basically draw some donors to our pro our project and I'd like to depend on them as we go through this and we get feedback from them. We'll always bring it to the committee so we can refine it, get your direction and take it back to them. Okay. So, all in favor Yes. I I don't know if I had a second on that. Was it that was Mr. Rambo? Yeah, it was me. You were the second. Okay. Who made the motion? Was that Mr. Rober? Thank you. Perfect. I would say trust but verify though because they still even though they're nonprofit, they have a they're motivated to um get this playground in and so we have to understand whether they're whether what

they're saying is really accurate or or not. The playground's already going in, you know. No, no, I understand that. I understand that. Yeah. But just judging from their donation like website, I feel like a lot of a lot of the playgrounds had a lot of funding that had already been they just set a goal and then you know especially with that ticker, you know, I think that that helps motivate people. So I think that excellent. Thank you very much chair. Yes sir. Your permission. Um the remaining items, the um either ones that we asked if there's questions and then the other items, they can be delayed if you'd like. The trash enclosure bid, the master plan, the signage, those were more just the last two are more updates and so that having a report, you're getting the information. Okay. If you'd like to the meeting, then it's it's fine. Yeah. I would like to make a motion that we follow uh Director Bunich's recommendation and adjourn the meeting. I'll second. I did have one question. Did you get responses back on the master plan survey? I received one. So, we gave you a paper copy that was an idea of Miss McCutchen. And so if you'd like to fill that up then we have time obviously we're the master plan the citizen oversight group through the goals and objectives are here so you have ample time to get to the planning services anything you'd like to it's worthwhile and it will go through that group of so thank you I'll bring it back up because there's a lot to fill help you. It's online, too, right? Oh, yeah. You don't have to go online. That's easier. Director Bonich, you get

a star because you were here two and a half hours last night and you're here almost two and a half hours tonight. They quit tomorrow. He'll be back on Thursday, too. All right. Thank you all. Good job. Good job, Melanie. Good job. Did we actually vote on the motion to adjurnn? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Okay. All right. I don't think we did, but I think Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. I sat.