Planning and Parks Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay, we are live on YouTube. Ready to go. Huh. All right. Well, thank you everyone for being here for the planning and parks committee meeting for today, February 17, 2026. Let's uh do roll call, please. Mr. Proto. Uh, Chair Galani here. Council member Rambo here. Um, council member McCutchenum here. Council member Dav here. Council member Crayons here. Council member Atenberg here. Council member Tier and Council Member Robleski. She is here via Zoom. Can you hear us? Okay. Council member Robleski.

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Awesome. Thank you, everybody. We'll start off by approval of the minutes for the meeting from last month on January 27th, 2026. Can I get a motion? Council Brattonberg second. Council member Crayons. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Awesome. All right. It takes us to public participation. Do we have any I don't see anybody here in the room. Do we have anybody online? If anyone online would like to speak during public participation, please use the raise hand feature and we'll promote you to a panelist. Does not appear. So

none. Okay. Um takes us to our next item which is action items. And we've got five items for consideration under planning. And uh we'll start out with the strategic review and modernization of advisory bodies reporting to the committees which includes all awards. And we've got director.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the committee, thank you for coming tonight. I do appreciate it. For some, it was a long weekend, so coming out to a meeting after a few days off is much appreciated. So, thank you. As the committee is aware, back at the end of 2025, there was a request by the chairs of the standing committees to do an evaluation of all of our commissions, boards, committees, subcommittees, ad hoc groups, etc. Ultimately, an 11 by17 table was prepared and circulated to all of the city council members. That table was prepared by the city administrator Thomas Lee, Rick Brown, our director of public works and the department of planning and parks. Ultimately, the request that came out of that table in the information contained therein is what board commission boards ad hoc groups committees etc. could have need to needed to stay by either statute or ordinance could be considered for restructuring or be sunset or eliminated. The department took the initiative and hopefully that was okay with the committee to kind of go through and create a table of what 14 entities the department of planning and park has supported over the years. The entities are identified in the table whether they're created by statute. When I say statute, that's state statute or ordinance. The recommendation and then just the meeting frequency. So you have an idea of what we're talking about in terms of the commitment of time both as city council part of a committee or the council

itself. So lay us on to any board commission or what the situation might dictate. So in summary, the department has identified that of those 14 that it directly supports in some fashion or form, four are established by state statute and one being city council. Couldn't have Wildwood without a city council. The others um are the planning zoning commission and the board of adjustments. If you have zoning, you need a zoning commission. And if you have zoning, you need a adjustment. Those are in state statute and have been for. All right. The other is one that we may not think of, and that's the crossing community improvement district. State statute authorizes that application of the community improvement district. And as part of the statute, there has to be an oversight board and that's the board of directors. Five members form that board. and Mr. Lee, Mr. Brown, the city attorney, John Young, and I supported different fashions and forms. Some of you have been members of the Crossings Community Improvement District. So, those are the four that from the perspective of the department and I'm sure as you committee members, we know we have to retain because state statute says if we're going to do our business, they need to be there. Thereafter, there are five created by ordinance and there is an error in the chart. The Wildwood Celebratory Commission has no says city council action. That's actually a yes. It's by ordinance. So, my apologies for the air. I'll correct it after tonight's meeting. And so, if the report is forwarded to city council, it will be corrected. Those five u relate to the historic

preservation commission, the planning and parks committee, Walgreens celebration commission, architectural review board, and the development and zoning review committee. Of those, the development and zoning review committee is the newest of the bunch, so to speak. And that was an idea of farmer mater. And it the genesis really came out of a proposal on ridge road by Fisher Fryto um was opposed by residents in the area and over the course of approximately two years and a couple hundred,000 Fisher Fryto ended up not getting the proposal approved by the city. Mayor Bolan I think talked with John Fischer the owner of Fiser and Ficktol and there's frustration expressed. So from that perspective we now have the development and zoning review committee. We seem to have a lot of ward 8 representation because there's a lot going on in town center but not all of the warts necessarily are called upon to serve. But as I say it's the newest one that's why I'm explaining it. um the planning and parks committee. We have three standing committees. Um from the department's perspective, we couldn't do our job without you. This is where we vet things. This is where we get to have critical input. We move forward with something or not. And certainly, I think it's also an opportunity for you to hear the details that we can't necessarily always cover in a city council meeting given the lengths of agenda, public participation, etc. Um the historic preservation commission, the architectural review board um are core com components of the of the city

and have been almost since its inception. We had advisory um commissions before we had the permanent entities and that was because we knew we had a lot of history in Wildwood. Esley Hamilton, the St. Louis County historian with the Department of Planning and Parks, had done a wonderful job over the years cataloging those. And so we knew we had assets and we knew that there should be a way to at least protect them, if not very much at least acknowledge them and make sure that we had them on a survey. Um, the architectural review board, it's been a kind of a hot and cold component at times. It's really done a disservice, I think, to our town center in terms of the standards that they applied and for the most part dissuaded certain businesses and developers from coming.

Um then on certain instances, it's um it's not what I would say understood the complexity of some of the issues we're trying to solve. And so what I would suggest here and the department is recommending it stay is that we institute the new requirements for the architectural review board which is three members three architects and then all decisions are reviewed by the planning and zoning commission then received and filed by city council. I think that's an approach I I would hope that we could try and see if it's successful. We can always step back and then talk about consolidation elsewhere or a different approach. And the remaining are the remaining five were created by city council action and those are usually special needs and so the citizen oversight group for master plan. We've been meeting just over a year and Dr. Rambo are part of that. they can kind of explain what they've been doing for that year. But we're I think knock on wood will be done in May or June and then that that group will kind of dissolve um the landscaping and planting subcommittee of city council. As you know, we had a tough start with our consultant. We kind of collectively put our heads together and took it over. Melanie has been working judiciously on it and we should be back together in March and we'll have a formatted premanual but I hope you all think it's something pretty special. I do seems to have come together pretty well under the leadership of Mr. RTO. Um the wershed erosion task force we haven't met in a long time. A lot of the responsibilities that that group had

have shifted to this committee or committees and city council because decisions now involve prioritization and where our limited funding is going and those are the decisions that have to be made by the legislative body. So that could be in the department's opinion sunset or restructured if we need to. Um then on page two we have the all-incclusive playground fundraising group. And as you know we're just um that's real informal. We meet on an asne basis. We're trying to pull together a major fundraising effort for the spring to see if we can get over the hump and reach our $500,000 goal. And then as soon as the from the perspective of the department once the playground's constructed and open that group will probably dissolve or potentially get restructured. I don't know. And then finally the ad hoc building committee which meets next Monday night. Um and so they'll be pulled back together. Tom Thomas Lee, our city administrator, did a good job this morning kind of going through all the list of things that's on his to-do list and that's a lot. So, I think that group's going to get pretty busy here pretty quick. So again those are as need and once the need is addressed I think they can either be expanded structured or a little bit complicated to the for the most part of the group the only one that seems to me that needs to be sunset or probably rethought is the watershed erosion task force. I think they did a wonderful job over the four years. They identified the priority projects. They identified the storm water management master plan and they identified the basin retrofits and led us to a potential solution beyond just those traditional basins that are in

place actually creating new ones in the channels. I do have good news. Um, Intuition and Logic, one of the premier um, storm water management engineering firms in town, is beginning the analysis of every rainforest court, rainforest drive. So, Mr. Burgerer and those homes along that edge of creek that are suffering, the work has already begun. So, that's great news.

Yes, it is. And that's all that from all the propriation S with the sales tax on food and fees. Um, so it's great news. So, so that's the department's pitch to put it kind of informally, but a lot of what we do is driven by the entities I've identified. And certainly, um, there are any questions, I'll do my best to answer Are are you looking for any action from the committee on this or is this more than information?

Be a great question for Mr. Lee. I know that there was a desire to have this um addressed. So, um I would say if you feel that there's if you're supportive, great. If not, we can defer to March and make a final discussion then. There any questions? Please Rambo.

I'm supportive of everything you said. I do have one question. Um, the ARB, we've only got 14 architects in the city of Wildwood and then if three of them have to be on the council and their term limits and all those kinds of things, I don't see it as being practical. we went through this before and yeah, we got to have architects and so forth, but a representative AR architect and maybe, you know, one a captive one that the city, you know, pays for a consultancy or something like that would make this a more practical uh solution to the problem because, you know, three is 20 more than 20% of the 22% of the available architects in the entire city. So, how is there a way to solve that problem? Well, the new legislation that was orchestrated by Mayor Bolan and ultimately approved by city council allows us to actually go out and engage.

I thought so. I thought so. Okay. So, that would be the third person or maybe the second and third or and Mayor Garitano interprets the charter requirement differently relative to term limits on volunteers. Many of the architects that we were serving were bumped off because Mayor Bolan had the had the thought that it should be done retroactively. Okay. And Garitano has it. So some of them would be eligible again if we chose to engage them. Um some may not be practicing any longer. I know that group was getting a little getting like me older

which is kind of part of the complaint that you had about town center architecture um decisions. we, you know, drove people away because, oh, it can't look like that because we need to be, you know, historical or whatever. I thought it was kind of ridiculous at the time. There were there were times I'll admit that some of the members wouldn't talk to the department for extended periods of time because in its opinion, we had a set of code and standards and guidelines and I thought they far exceeded them and that often meant that the developer or the entity couldn't afford to do the project. Yeah.

Wasn't fair to them. Yeah, that's a little bit rigid. That's that's a shame. But um um Okay. Well, it's not it's not either it's not up to either. Mayor, can we get a final determination from the from from John Young? Well, certainly with the architectural review board, we can have this March at the March meeting and I can have John Young. I I would say that'd be help that'd streamline the process.

And then we can show you the list of available architects that are at least in terms of the 14 that are identified by the American Institute of Architects here in St. Louis. And then we can go over the ordinance. If you want to do something different with it, this is the time we could review it here in committee and take it to city council and adjust it to fit the circumstances. I think there is a value because Melanie and I were at the board meeting this past Thursday and discussion was there and I wouldn't say that the applicant was trying to pull a fast one but we caught him on the in on the sound dampening or the sound mitigation along Route 100, Route 109. And it was something that I could have said till I was blew in the face, but once it came from the board members,

it it galvanized it in their minds and they stayed were discussing. I they were kind of in whispers after the meeting. So I think it made an impression. Cut. Um the ad hoc building committee, what exactly do they do? I mean, we've got three staff names on here, so I don't understand what they exactly do. Well, initially, and there's a some group here that know better than I, Miss Toggle, do you? But

the the group went around um the building specifically looking and this has been close to two years ago now. um looking at things that were starting to fail within the building and we put together a list of things that needed to be improved upon so that we could work with those within our budget process etc. And so now that we've got some funds available, I think we're going to get the committee back together with the purpose of okay, how do we prioritize each of these things? what's comes first, which comes second, what has to wait, those kinds of things. So, it was just um how many council members?

I just got appointed to it. Yeah, I guess we've got three or four. Yeah, we're meeting on Monday, so we'll have an update for the next um parks and planning meeting if you'd like. But um that's that was its specific goal so that the city had the city staff had some additional support from council on improving a building that from my perspective probably wasn't built as soundly as it could have been. So that's that Mr. Lee described today given the cost of building repairs, building materials, labor. Mhm.

A lot of these fixes are going to require RFPs and the advisory building committee will review those RFPs, make recommendations about which one to select and then negotiate, things like that. It's going to be a lengthy process because based on Mr. le list. There's just a number of things that need to be addressed from HVAC to the issues with storm water management. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of improvements are needed.

Fortunately, um I wanted to go back to the architectural re review board and ask um we've said we have to have three architects on it. Would it be possible instead to have two architects and an engineer of some type? Or um we may have a little bit more leeway with um a mechanical engineer or um environmental engineer or something like that. As I said, we sorry, we haven't implemented it yet. It was at the so to speak tail end of Mayor Bolan's um tenure.

Yeah. the top elected official and Mayor Garitano had to hit the ground running. So I can bring back like I like I had mentioned we can have it back in March, let you see what it says, take your suggestions and then we can re I kind of like the idea of one architect resident, one other professional, a mechanical struct someone that works with buildings and then a resident. I think that'd be a nice mix. Yeah. Yeah. Gets people out of the tunnel that they sometimes visit. Yeah. Please. Anybody else?

Okay. Well, wanted to if with the permission of the chair, no action tonight. We'll revise. I'll make the correction on the error I made. I'll get the architectural review board information together and we can tackle it at the March meeting. Okay. Fair enough. Everybody good with that? Yeah. Yep. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you very much. Thank you. That takes us to number two, which is responses from other service providers on utility task vehicles in Belfarts on public streets and town center. Director V.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the committee, thank you for your patience regarding this particular item. As you know, we started this back in September, I think it was September or August of last year. There was a request by the chair to consider authorizing golf carts and utility fast vehicles in town center to achieve a lot of different goals. want to I think help the business community as consistently what I've been told as well as just to kind of elevate town center and make it kind of a place that's I think has a certain kind of character that obviously we're trying to create with new urbanism to that end the department's first step which was authorized by the committee all of these components were brought to the committee at different stages was to contact other service providers and solicit their input into this particular topic. And on the top of page two of the memorandum, contact the St. Louis County Police Department, Waldwood Precinct, the Metro West Fire Protection District. Mr. Brown and I presented to the city of Waldwood's board of public safety. Um, I also contacted the Department of Public Works as director. So take that as going to public the board of public safety. Also contacted the city administrator or city attorney if they had any inputs and then also the surrounding municipalities. Eureka is the only one that had implemented allowances for golf carts in their community. So I sent a letter to Craig Sabo, their city administrator. Um two of the entities responded, the police department and the fire district. And then the board of public safety did

hold a hearing on this hearing. They did have an item on their agenda at their December meeting and discuss this as well. U generally speaking, the responses um were not favorable particularly from the police department and the board of public safety. Um the fire district took no position other than any instructions in the ways necessarily um supported because their job is to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible not be deterred by any vehicle or any other item in the right of way. Um the department also provided its position on this as well and for a number of reasons was not supportive of it as well. Saying all of that and obviously we've talked to a number of individuals in the business community. We had our route 66 roundt this past Wednesday. We had over 35 participants um come and provide input and one of the top picks was golf carts in town center. The owner of Good News Brewing Company um thinks it would be a boon for his business and certainly was very supportive of such. So I apologize. oftentimes they don't necessarily want to swim against the current but in this particular instance we've not set up our streets our trails and many of the improvements that would accommodate all parts and utility to have vehicles to do it well in fact many of our town center streets are narrower have traffic coming and so the intent is the slow speeds to

this extent um that a golf cart or utility test vehicle might saying all of that other communities are addressing this. The city of St. Louis was one of the first. The department provided you their proposed regulations. The feedback I'm getting from the city of St. Louis in this regard is is they've created so many safety measures that the golf carts now have to have. It's pretty much impossible to do. And the state of Missouri now is has a bill um at the legislative session that would still allow local control over golf carts or not. But they are recommend they are proposing to make them almost like a a vehicle with headlamps, turn signals, s seat belts, etc., etc. So there's a lot of moving parts. Uh certainly the department is seeking your direction. Whatever your direction may be, we'll do our very best to implement it and um make sure it's done as you would wish. Thank you. Thanks,

Council Rambo.

Yeah, I uh um I generally try to take the department's recommendations pumped generally only by the board of public safety and even more so by the police department. And if the police department and the board of public safety and the department of public works and everybody else is pretty much saying the same thing, I I have always felt it was a bad idea. Um and um I don't know, you know, how much debate we need to do on it. What I was going to suggest is we um we uh I can make this as a motion, but we accept the department's recommendation. forget about these guys for now, but set up some sort of a an analysis uh um approach that says how can we make this successful because it's terrified me when Joe said good news brewing because that's um 30 at least 35 m an hour area over a hill so on and so forth there's and somebody's going to turn Yeah. limited sight distance and so forth. Somebody's going to turn in front of a car and then we're going to have a disaster on our hands. And we also have not only 109 but 100. So that that's different from the city of St. Louis. They're driving around Sulard. Okay, that's fine. Um I just don't think we can do that unless we limit them to no crossing of the highway. There's there's just too much too many safety concerns and too many um problems with a golf cart going 20 when everybody else is wanting to go 35 and so forth. So, I just think it's a bad idea. Um, we need to talk about the um ebikes and so forth separately, but is is does anybody else support the notion of having a um having a committee to study this and figure out how to make it safe if we want to?

I would say I mean I would say based on you know just what we heard from the police department, from all these different public safety departments.

Yeah. I mean, and and the whole reason it was brought up and and I'll say this because I've been personally approached, I don't know how many of you have, but by numerous residents here, especially in W 8 that, you know, are pretty upset about it and really think that they should have that right to do it. So, more or less speaking, I brought it up to the department to look into it strictly more to like respond to resident and to say, "Hey, we're taking a look at it to see." But I don't disagree with anything that Joe just said or that you said in the sense that at the end of the day, you know, we have to look out look out for what's best and the most safe situation for everybody involved, not just the small handful of people that may want to drive their golf cart. And I think the UTVs and the golf carts, I think golf carts are a significantly different, you know, I think I don't think they're two of the same thing. I think

Gator goes 60 miles an hour. That's what I'm saying. Some of these things, they have seat belts and the doors closed and roll cages. Yeah. Yeah. I got all that and lights and turn signals and they're almost like a car, right? They're just not those on public streets, right? They're just they're not licensed. So, there's that whole there's still there's a process through the state to get insurance, get them licensed, too. But but the the committee that I was suggesting is just that give a list of what the places that have been successful in um regulating them, they have all kinds of safety requirements that Joe said make it kind of like registering a car. If we can make people jump through those hoops, they got no complaint coming.

Yeah. And that's what I said previously too is I I personally from the beginning I think the golf carts and UTVs should be mutually exclusive conversations. I don't they can be lumped into one thing. Like the golf carts I 100% agree with. There's no way to justify that because they're totally different. UTVs like you just brought up are totally different. And if the state comes up or that we figure out a way though where we can have people register with the city and have some type of things where we know who they are, they are granted a permit for whatever purposes and they got to be over 16 and all these other things. Um those are things we can look at. I would say right now for the purposes of today it would be something that we would not we would table for future consideration and not take action on approving or recommending approving anything because even on the UTV side we don't have enough information or enough ability to manage it and thing too is like good News Brewing I I'm sure Larry's feels the same way but you know I get it right you might have people that might just jump in their UTV and cruise up there for a drink but it It's still it's a very small minority of people who who would be wanting to do that. And secondly, I would advocate that that's probably the most dangerous place because people are going over there to have cocktails,

a drunken golf, and then they're going to drive home. Different than going up to Deerbergs to to pick up some cereal, right? If you live in Cherry Hill. So, so I was just trying to leave it open for the particularly eight folks to say, "Yes, we're studying that, but the the initial determination is no." Oh, for sure. That's what we're trying here. So the state of Missouri is there's a bill for golf cart specifically or both? It's it's golf cart specific. So I think that makes the conversation easy with residents. We're tableabling this. Let the state decide what they're going to do. We have a negative opinion on it now. We can't even implement if we don't know what's going to be passed.

They can't drive it on a public street without a registration anyway. Uh, but like I said, I think when the time comes, I I just brought it up because like I said, I had a cons significant number of residents, like I said, especially here in Ward 8. It's right in the middle of town center where people are like, "Hey, I got these things. It's ridiculous that I can't do it." And of course, even though I've had people bring it up, if you look in the context of the general population, it's a minority of a small minority of people that are concerned and the people that are concerned are passionate about it because they like driving their thing. And I'll say that I go to Deerbergs regularly and I've seen people driving their UTVs to Deerbergs um in Town Center regardless of the fact that and I've seen ebikes too regardless of the fact that they're not allowed to do it anyway. And I know the police department probably has, you know, talked to people about that and that kind of thing. But I just for the purposes of making it a, you know, city ordinance to say you can or can't or you can do it. I just don't think there's enough information there to provide us the ability to make a decision to change the way it is today and keep it safe. And I think that's a good enough explanation for residents to say the state's looking at different considerations.

Um, you know, we really can't take action on this until we have more direction from higher level authorities on what we could even do and what it would look like. So that's the motion. deny it for now and and um wait for the state to bring up a determination. I'll second it. All right, we got a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? This includes both golf carts and UTVs. Yeah, for now. Yeah. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I have a question. I depending on the way this state ordinance is written, municipalities don't always have to follow them. Correct.

No, it just gives us guidance that like the registration requirement, you have to have insurance. You know, the the parameters to allow it. The city would then determine whether or not allow it. They just set the minimum standard that we would have to follow. And we would know what they would have to do if they if we wanted to allow Does it have to have a seat belt or not? That would probably be the state. How is it registered? Is it registered to the state a license plate or is it registered to the city and we permit or you know what I mean? Like we can't even we can't even look at it to decide what parameters to put on it because we don't have direction. Well, I think we can decide that no, we're not going to do based on what he gave us that we're we're not going to allow it. As of right now, that's what we're saying. Yeah, that's what we're saying. I think what

if something were to change in the future where the state would say you could register a UTV with the state, get a license plate to where legally you could operate it on a public roadway, then we could relook at if we wanted to allow that from a city perspective. But right now, the vote is we're not doing anything. You're not doing anything or you're Well, the the current ordinance in place that says you're not allowed to drive either of them on public streets stays in place in place. We're not in place. We're agreeing with the department to recommend that we don't change anything from

and the cops and the board public. So I think uh what council member McCutchen may have been alluding to and maybe director you can correct me if I'm wrong here is uh I think the state provides guidance regarding minimum requirements for like ebikes and so on but it's not necessarily a mandate to the cities and you were trying to clarify would the state legislation be guidance or would it be a mandate? Yes.

Okay. And the state legislation as proposed is clear that the decision is always up to the municipality still. So they'll set what they believe are minimum requirements that should be included if a municipality decides to. But if a municipality decides not to, that's well within their perview. Exactly. That's what I was asking. Can I ask a follow-up question? Yeah.

Um are we going to address the ebikes and so forth uh as well? because um I nearly got creamed by a kid on an ebike um by the Walgreens. I took pictures of him and whatnot. He was zooming all over the place and then a couple of his buddies met up with him and it's just they're kind of a menace and so we need to I mean kids want to have fun and I would have had an ebike had I had them had they've been available and whatnot but I think we need to talk about those specifically um maybe in the same maybe a different conversation from the yeah just FYI a kid was riding an ebike over here on village green and down the steps

so I I think um if memory serves I think Mr. Young uh city attorney sent some uh directives or I shouldn't say directives but recommendations that we clarify some aspects of our code regarding ebikes. Is that not correct Stratford? Your memor is very good. We haveations relating to ebikes but we limited them to our parks and trails. That's where we first saw them. Now they're everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. And that's the problem. are on sidewalks where people walk. So, we'll we'll bring that up for another meeting on the agenda to discuss the ebike separately. Good. But for now, we've got the motion on the floor in a second. Um I thought we

and M council member, I think your dog voted eight times. Sorry. I'm just giving you grief. U All right. So, let's uh All in favor of the vote, please say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? Any abstension? All right, good deal. So, we'll leave things as is and look at looking at it again in the future. Um, next item on the list is a lot consolidation proposal for city hall and village green properties in W 8. Director Vunich.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the committee, the department is presenting to you for your consideration a proposal to consolidate a group of lots that are contiguous and all under the city of Wildwood's ownership. Those lots include the two three acre parcels of ground that form Village Green phase one and now phase two city hall and the trail system that's around the large detention basin south of the theater. You may ask, well, why would we want to consolidate? Well, first and foremost, we've been fortunate that phase one of Village Green has been primarily flat work and no structures or buildings. And so the setback requirements relative to the two parcels of ground were not applicable. The setbacks were adhered to on the city hall site when the building was constructed. However, the new phase two with structures and proposed restroom would have to adhere to the setbacks and so from the perspective of the department eliminates potential areas of the total six acres for use. Additionally, and probably most importantly, Mr. Lee, Mr. Brown, and I had a conversation with Robert Miller, who's the director of engineering with Metropolitan St. Louis Sew District. We were talking about our storm water bio retention basins that sit next to our building foundation walls. And we're trying to solve a pretty difficult problem. And we talked about trying to retain water further downstream, further upstream. And the district looks at each

individual site as a location where storm water must occur. Mentioned potentially doing consolidation. Mr. Miller said, "Well, that changes everything. It's one lot. You may be able to detain further upstream or further downstream." And so from that perspective, that would be a big deal. particularly if more upstream than downstream are here. And so the department has been working not publicly, but a firm out of Washington, Missouri has been doing a number of surveys of late for our residents. the department has been seeing those surveys, reviewing them and they're relatively inexpensive in terms of their services, but they do a very good survey. And so that's the component that's before you tonight. I contacted Erin Wagner who with who is a principal in BFA and asked him to provide a cost estimate for the survey work. the response I provided as part of the memorandum. He thinks he can do it for the least cost by just time and materials as he's described it. And when asked what that might the upper limit might be, he said approximately $4,000, but if he doesn't, it's not $4,000. He's not going to charge $4,000. Survey work is very expensive work. If you've had it done to your property, you will understand that. So, the department doesn't bring is not bringing you additional bids. It can, but in this particular instance, the quality of the work and the commitment, as you can see from um um from the from Mr. Wagner is pretty

substantial. The department would like to proceed get a favorable recommendation. Council member Godwall, is this coming out of operating budget? Um, it will come out of the Department of Planning and it'll probably be like either we'll do a contract or contractual services. Okay. Okay. Just want to make sure we had

council. So, I think it's a good idea based on what you said, but there are long-term, you know, legal implications for turning this into one property. Um, I think things like the setbacks if we're common owners could be the that can be dealt with without combining the properties. I don't know about the water issue. Um generally the issues I think are when you go to sell or transfer you know various portions which I don't think the city plans on doing but I am aware that we're looking at expansions of the roadway. Are there is there any reason why turning it into one parcel could cause issue in the future for the city as opposed to having individual lots?

Sure. Tr I I couldn't see one. Um even Wildwood Avenue is right of way the city owns. Collectively, it could have been added because it was actually transferred as a parcel of ground for right-ofway purposes, but it's a standalone parcel and obviously other than the trash enclosure, it's intended for access, future access to the south. Um, I guess from the department's perspective, I would look at it as a benefit to the storm water management problem we face with city hall. I uh would argue not in a bad way that the setbacks board of adjustment could address it but I think this is a simpler approach and as John R will tell you and he's told me many times the variance is only is the last resort on the list of things to do. You only go to the board of adjustment when there's no other appeal process or approach that would work. And so I adhere to that. Um, I appreciate your concerns. There may be something that they haven't thought of, but I think this storm water issue is the the lynch pin. If we can figure out something to either eliminate these two or reduce their size or relocate them because we have a single parcel, then I think we've done the taxpayers a great service.

Councelor Ratenberg. So, this is a um somewhat unrelated question, but it still sort of ties in with these properties. There are some private properties that are just below the colored rectangles, especially the one on the left and the one in the middle, owned by residents who are around retirement age and thinking of selling. and um they had approached me at one point in time about making those properties available to the city at what they said would be a quote reasonable price unquote and I know I had passed that information along. Did we do you know if anything was ever done regarding that?

Um Mr. Hayes um Larry Hayes is one of the owners. He's discussed it with me as well as his neighbor. Um, I for the most part told them that I don't know what a reasonable price is, but when there's nothing in the budget, reasonable price is, it's a donation. And I don't think they're in that position. I would defer to Mr. Lee if he's had any conversation. And as you know, this committee and um passed a moratorum for a five-year period of time on any new park sites. So from that perspective, that's what I've been telling people when they ask

uh city administrator Lee. Thank you. Uh we did have a initial discussion with them, but it did not uh lead to anything fruitful. We did talk with the two owners there. Um there's actually two property owners that would be considering. They have not moved as of yet, but they did say there was some preliminary interest as Mr. Vunich had mentioned going off the guidance from the the overall council um without having additional properties for parks, we had not moved those discussions further, but if the committee's interested, we could reach back out to them this week or moving into the next meeting, give a report back. Thank you. I don't mean I don't know what we would really do with those properties. I mean, nice to have in the future, but

I have an idea that we've been talking about in the master plan up committee. It's recreation center. That's a whole another that's a whole another we had the land. Do we have the budget for rec with them? Sir, a recreation center, a senior center. Well, because we we send out surveys and ask residents what do they want to see in Wildwood. We sent one out from the master plan. The two big items overwhelmingly was less density and a recreation center. And it's totally different than a Y. I don't need to go into all that at this point. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, but I mean, if we had the land, if we had the money to have the land, then that'd be a perfect place for it.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I mean, but there's multiple layers to that. There's if we have the money to have the land, right? And then if we came up with that solution, then if we had the money to get the rec center, which I mean, a brand new rec center with a pool and water, no pool. No pool. Whatever rec center would I think require I think the paint is a requirement. No, they're just too expensive. No, you don't want to pull. You want a place basically for the kids that were running over out in the parking lot

and you know to it's going to bring it's going to be an economic development push for town center. You could maybe even in the rec center get somebody like Taco Bell or whoever just to have a kiosk in there to have food available. I mean, there's all kind We got a $3 million village green that's being built that's outdoors. There's nothing expensive in there. Yeah. I mean, like I said, there's there's a long wish list of dreams I think we could come up with. But at the end of the day, I think Well, I understand we don't have any money. I'm just saying that if we get those parcels, it would be a perfect place for a recreation center and it would be an economic driver to get people up here.

Yeah. Know I like once again I think wish lists are great but the problem is is like those parcels of land wouldn't be donated or cheap car show to build it. And then and then the other thing is the other thing is that if you're talking about potential tax increases for watershed and other things that you're going to bring to the residents purchasing land that you're not able to do anything with for the foreseeable future is a tough is a tough screen and we did that sat there forever before we did anything with it. I mean I'm not I it's this is not the time. I'm just saying

no I get it. Um, yeah. I mean, you guys have already had conversations. I think, you know, you're you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars at a minimum that would be necessary to to and we never know what the future holds. Let a developer build it. Here's the deal. If you guys want to ask them what they're looking for, I'm have no problem with that because it doesn't cost us anything to hear what number they want to throw out. But I wouldn't engage in any formal negotiation or anything to that extent. I would make it a casual, you know, hey, if you were going to sell it or to the city, what would what would you be looking for? And like I said, I think it's a long shot of of that might make it beneficial for economic development in it would be nice to grab those property

placing other types of find out what they're what they're looking at and then that could spark a conversation in the future. But right now, I mean, that's so probably should circle back to item number three here. Did we haven't made any motions yet, have we? Yeah. Related to the lock consolidation, are you looking for action from the committee on this or the department would respectfully request a motion to proceed forward with a contract or city council's consideration? Somebody like to make that motion. Council McCutchen second. Any discussion on the motion? Further, all in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed?

Any abstensions? All right. May I ask what the size of those parcels are that we're talking about? Like three acres a piece or 10 acres total? 10 acres total for two parcels. For all three for four. Oh, okay. Okay. So, the the little strip around the detention basins like a No, no, no. I meant the the two parcels that were discussing potential. Oh, they're threeacre lots.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Three acres. Okay. So, like I said, if you guys want to just have an informal conversation to get a number on what they would be looking to ask the city for if they were going to sell it, then we can always table a conversation at a future time about that. Cool. Thanks. Uh, next on the list, we've got uh Route 66 historic marker, director.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the committee, the department has prepared for your consideration tonight a memorandum which requests you to consider paying $5,000 additional for one of our community markers. I'll give you an explanation why. As you know, over the course of many years, we installed 11 community markers and historic communities that originally formed what now is Wildwood, Missouri. Those markers were distinctive. All were prepared by in graphics company that's located in Breland, Missouri and installed by Gay Contracting. We think that they are very distinctive and for all intents and purposes they are for the most part indestructible. Many of them have been up for years and years in the sun and the rain and the snow and the cold and the heat and they look as good as the day we receive them from graphics. However, as with most things, the cost of those community markets has continued to accelerate and with that acceleration in cost, this department commission started looking at their options. We engaged another company, a local company to assist. Unfortunately, as we worked through the different variations and input from the historic preservation commission members, we were not necessarily getting that feeling that this would be a quality marker like the others. In fact, the design came from this ripple for that marker and others in the department of planning, not me. It would look very very bad if I had been involved. The Historic Preservation Commission members felt that

the process wasn't leading us to the conclusion they had hoped. And so from the perspective of the department, it felt obliged to at least present this to the committee and the committee would issue a a taking take an action move that the city council regardless of favorable or not. Um the cost is just under $5,000 more. Um from the perspective of the department, we would take that out of capital improvements. We have a line item capital improvements equipment. Um we would have to maybe juggle some funds within the few items that remain in the capital improvements program parks related for 2026, but we feel it's important enough to bring it to you for your consideration. If you're asking how many more, the city council's already approved one other marker as for the United States colored troops that would be placed in Babler Park near the Coleman and Tyler families had their plantations. Other than that, not have anything on doesn't mean that there might not be something come up, but certainly there's nothing on the horizon. So, two more is what we're looking at for the future. One for Route 66 and the other for CT like to add anything.

No, you covered it. Um, so what's the total cost then? This one cost just under $16,000. The other was just under 11,000. All right. I'm I'm a no vote because I don't think this is a time for it. That's, you know, all I have to say. That's that's why I brought it here. Anybody else? Council member, where's the location for it going to be? The Historic Preservation Commission is recommending down at Big Chief Roadhouse there in the public rideway just by the building itself. No traffic down there.

I don't know. We talked about it a bunch and um the um we doing everything they can to put our best foot forward for the Route 66 um anniversary celebration and so forth. And um those the cost of these monuments has always bothered me a little bit because it takes quite a bit. But if you figure out that if you figure that a number of them have been here for 30 years and are still in good shape, they it tends to make more sense. The the colored troops one um is uh is uh really in a way sort of the least we can do. There's a whole lot of historical um buzz surrounding the colored troop um uh identification and uh acknowledgement and so forth. There's a um there's a uh um like a a whole program for um acknowledging the um uh the connection from the uh from the river. What what what's the gentleman's name?

Railroad network. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's they're they're we're getting national recognition as part of the Underground Railroad because of a river crossing. I forget the guy's name though. Um Archer.

Archer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um and so if we have n national recognition for being part of the of the Underground Railroad, but we don't have anything whatsoever in the entire city to show um to acknowledge that uh recognition. It just seems like a bad move on my part. So, if I were if we were going to split them out, I would say the colored troops one is very important for our image and the the um Route 66 one is very important over the short term, providing we can get it installed before next summer because we're doing all this stuff for Route 66. We've got a a a magazine, we've got um um we've got our our Route 66 map and so on and so forth. it seems like a relatively inexpensive uh cost for the rec for the visibility or whatever the recognition that we would gain. And so like I said, I don't like the price anymore than anybody else does, but what is it? Um so it's 37 No, it's 20

32. Okay. $32,000. Yeah. Both of them. For both. For both of what? Both monuments. Monuments for what? I know Route 66. What other one are we talking about? United States. We haven't purchased that one yet. No, we are waiting state approval to place it in Balor State Park. It's been up in Jefferson City probably for a year plus time at their headquarters. Can I continue question? Yeah, go ahead.

Um, what what's the aluminum one cost? Um this the the quote from the other firm was we're doing double-sided. Um we decided against that though, didn't we, Joe? Well, the aluminum. Yes, we did. It's about 35% less or 40% less. So, it' be around $7,000. And so the like speed limits signs and stuff, they're aluminum. Yes. So if galvanized steel,

honestly, I I think this is way too much money to spend, but you know, the old highway signs that's had Route 66 and other things on them, they were out of alone. I mean, so I don't know why if we really want one that bad. And it's a lot less expensive. Why couldn't we go that route? I mean, if you want something there because that's mean a painted or printed sign as opposed to the because these are I mean, they're substantial. They're like historical marks. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you want to really be like what the old Route 66 looked like. Well, I'm I'm thinking more about the colored troops and and also the fact that there's verbiage on the

We're talking about two different ones. I'm talking about Route 66. Well, I don't I He didn't split them out. So, we're Yeah, he's talking I mean that the the the department's asking about both of them and they got a bid for both of them be done the same way and they have done separately. It would be just under $32,000 for both of them. So, is each one $15,000? 15,000 16 and 11 is what? Right. And $5,000 is a lot less than 15. And you would it would be more like the original Route 66 sign. And it's a lot of specific to Route 66. Yes.

Yeah. And it's it's a lot less expensive. I mean, if you really want something up for Route 66, but it's not going to last as long. But well, it's not going to I mean, how can you I don't know how you can do the printing part. Just like they've always done the printing part. No, there's verbiage. There's like a How many Route 66? All you want is Route 66 original or whatever original Route 66. If if I were a kid, I'd steal that. Director Director Vish on the Route 66 one. It's it's similar to like like the Fox Creek one and then you were talking about the the color. It's it's got an explanation and a historical perspective story on it, right? Yeah.

Historic preservation commission has adopted the text. The text was forward to city council for its acceptance. And on the back side of the sign, there is the route as it go as it travels through Wildwood. So you can see the major landmarks as well like uh Old Pod School, Route 66, Grove, things like that. You know what I'm talking about, right,

Council Rottenberg? Um, if you were to get the go-ahad for these two signs based on the design that you are recommending, when realistically would they be delivered for installation? We think in graphics can get us the Route 66 sign by summer. So, it would be in place. The official kickoff is the beginning of April of this year for the celebration of the 100th anniversary. So, we'd be a couple months behind potentially. United States color troops. Um, I just can't tell you. Um, we sent it up, the park superintendent, um, is supportive. He packaged the information with recommendation, sent it up to headquarters in Jefferson City, and it's been there since then. We contact Mr. Furry, the park superintendent, every couple of months to get an update for the historic preservation commission members. But the most part have not gotten a response yet. We perhaps move the color troops one to 2027

and make sure that we or just even bring it to where right now we approve we recommend the approval of the Route 66 one. Right. Yeah. And then we just table the other one for discussion when when and if we get approval from the state. Yeah. Because we can't even order it until we have approval from the state. Yeah. So there's no point in proving something right now that we don't know if we'll ever be able to do. Council Rama.

Yeah. Um uh it's important to remember that um Teresa reminded me um we uh we told the Madison one of the criter one of the um um key pieces of changing the name of Old Slave Road to Madison Valley was that we told the Madison family that we would be putting up one of those markers. um which became the US colored troops one and um so we have a we had a

no I say we still plan on doing it it's just that right now we're at the mercy of a state approval to let us do it. So, at this point, let's approve the Route 66 one, I would say, now because that wants to go in right away if that's what we're going to do and table the United States Colored Troops one for when we get approval from the state. Yeah. Yeah. Then we can recommend that because that could be six to 12 months out. Makes perfect sense. I just don't instead of packaging them up as two as one when the one we don't know when we'll be able to, let's just do the one we know we can do. One in 26 and one in 27 makes a lot of sense. They're safe.

GRG Great Rivers Greenway is proceeding forward with the western greenway connection and the segment they're working on is from the north boundary of Babler State Park to Ria Road, the southern boundary. And the trail is going to go right by where the USCT sign was located. Yeah. So, been kind of twisting our arm to help us on that one because we think it'd be a nice addition to the trail. Yeah. and GRG has a great deal of money to spend in most instances. So, we think maybe a little time and a little more pressure we can get them to participate as well. They could help contribute.

Council adver um just another question. So, Council Member Cray referred to the location of this sign as proposed at um uh Big Chief Grill and uh you know, purpose of a sign is to get exposure to as many drivers as possible, people passing by that way. It would seem, and I could be wrong here, that if we wanted to maximize exposure to that sign, it might be more appropriate to locate it somewhere closer into the town center area. I I don't really have a major problem with it where it's at, but I guess I'm just want asking for a little bit more perspective from you regarding why we chose that particular location. Well, the alternative location that the commission members spent uh time discussing was Route 66 State Route 66 Roadside Park here in Grover. The feeling

a couple sites, we had a couple other sites, didn't we? We custom and discussed them and came up with this as by far the best one because of the historic nature of Big Chief itself and some other stuff and it might draw something to a local business. I'm sorry, Joe. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I I meant to ask like where was the other one? I forgot. The um um and then we also talked about somewhere around Old Pond School. That's right. Or by what used to be the first city hall. We have signs in those vicinities. So, the thought was to spread them out.

Um the feeling was is that at Big Chief Roadhouse, they do have a fairly good business. They get a lot of travelers on Route 66. There's parking across the street at the school and there's a crosswalk. So, it was felt that we could do Well, the school was the other location. Remember, we talked about the school a lot and it just for from every perspective it this was the right spot if we're going to do it. So, do we So, is everyone in agreement then that right now we're going to separate Route 66 and the United States color troops and and deal with that other one at a future date when if we get approval from the state

for now but I mean you you could support it or not, but we're just addressing the Route 66 tonight, right? So, we're considering them separately basically. Correct. We're gonna we're gonna table or postpone whatever you want to the other year. We can pay 26 and 27 that I mean if that I would just say whenever we get word from the park director that the state has approved it. Okay. Then we can bring it back to the agenda and talk about it and so for now does somebody want to make a motion regarding the Route 66 sign? I'll make said motion. Okay. to

to move ahead with ordering the sign and putting it in place as suggested by the historic preservation. And uh the motion ought to I include something maybe Katie on uh on revisiting or ensuring that the and ensuring that the colored troops sign is kept to the forefront and needing information back from the state because that's national. I mean I really think it's as soon as as soon as we get word from the park director that the state has approved it, we'll immediately bring it back to the committee. approval on what I was saying. All right. So, we've got a motion on the floor. Somebody like a second.

I did. Second. Council Rambo. Any further discussion on the motion? Any questions, concerns? All right. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Oppos.

Two opposed. Any abstension? Okay. Motion passes. All right. Thank you very much for that discussion. The last item under planning matters is the recent development trends in the city of Wildwood forformational purposes. Does anybody have any questions related that's been provided by the department? Mr. Chair, I just note that was going on in January, but we had 91 zoning authorizations and Wow. He's getting ready for the spring. Yeah. So, $3,200 first month. There you go. We do have one question. Yeah, go ahead. Coun.

Um, luxury villas at latitude in 38. What's happening with that? Um, the department contacted the attorney now representing the group. They will be at the planning and zoning commission on March 2nd. They've put postponed the last two meetings. And so we wanted to make sure before we sent out the mailer that we had something that was going to be be on the agenda and not postpone. Do you know what it's going to look like?

Um they have a revised plan. The plan that I saw last had no access to Main Street. All access was off Etheton Road. They had no improvements on Main Street. They showed the dedication and for the most part the interior of site looked nothing like new urbanism. So basically they haven't changed it really. They reduced the lot count from 55 to 44.

Thank anybody else out there. Just to tag on council member concussions on the question, there were a number of I think what we referred to as hammerhead turnarounds in the original design of of the last proposal. What is happening in this proposal that is different? it. The hammerheads have all been eliminated. So, it is a single culde-sac street that comes off of Etherton Road midway through the frontage on Etherton Road and goes a loop. So, it's almost like an exaggerated culde-sac street.

Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you very much, Director Vunich. That takes us into parks matters. We have five items ready for consideration. The first being the performance stage for village green award 8. Director Vich.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the committee, as you'll recall, the Wildwood Celebration Commission has been looking at ways to reduce costs for our annual event as well as to raise funds so as we can provide a wellplanned, fun, and safe event this coming September. One of the items they identified that was carried over to this particular committee was instead of renting a stage for our five concerts inclusive of Celebrate Wildwood to purchase one. The committee asked that the department do research on this particular item. Miss Nagger and Miss Chansky uh did that research and ultimately came with three options. The options are from what I consider a very low cost to middle to the high end. The high-end is Glance Staging and that's the company we use that we rent the stages from. So that's a known quantity. The others are as I say somewhere between um they all have different costs. I think the low end was about $30,000 and requires assembly. on the high end it was just uh around $300,000. So very much more so than I would have anticipated. I think an intervening component to all of this has been a discussion that was held recently potentially building some kind of stage and having that stage be in place at all times but could be then used for seating or our placement of furniture and then have a shade structure in conjunction with it. Therefore, it becomes part of

the landscape. doesn't need to be assembled, disassembled, stored, and we end up getting the shade structure that we think we need for that particular location, which is also where much of our furniture is going for seating and casual use. So, it provided the original design. Pardon? I thought that component was in the original design, was it not? It's not. It was one of the items that was shown but was removed due to

Yeah. due to cost. So I think from the perspective of the department, if there's direction on purchasing the stage tonight, we'll be glad to begin that process of getting additional details, getting more information. But I think the direction I heard last from the city council was they prefer to do something more permanent that could be integrated into the the the village green and be an asset besides just something that we use. Wasn't that part of the phase two or phase three? Phase three.

Phase three. Phase three had the final components. There really was only three phases to village green. But yes, the shade structure is I think critical and it can be done in conjunction with the stage if we get a good designer. Council um um I think it's a a main part of village greener stage. Uh, first question. I got several here. We have 300,000 in the budget. No. Share that one. So, uh, has anybody actually look at one of these?

Well, we've had that particular stage for years and years. These others, Glance actually provides them. Early on when we were doing concerts, we we were using smaller bands and things along those lines. So Glance would come out and install something like this. They bring the pieces and basically assemble it and then come back and disassemble it. Um it's just a flat surface that's elevated from the ground and but it doesn't have a top to it. So and if we did purchase it now again, where would you store it? I didn't quite

um That's a good question. We have some options. is the west side of the garage. We have the new uh recycling container there. We had our trailer there for many, many years where we stored the um our tables, some of our sandbags, etc. Certainly, it could be the west side of the garage. So, there would be no expense in storage. The city is in a great position. Rightway is ours, so we can use it as we see fit. So, reason. But then we minimize what's available to Yeah. and it's in close proximity. Is this something you you like this stage?

Um, the stage is nice, but it's hydraulic. It's large. It requires the the the tractor of a tractor trailer situation. It's not pulled by a pickup truck. It's that large. So, I think we would have to look at something else. Okay. Costwise, I think it's not really appropriate. Yeah. And I just don't think it's something feasible that we could manage ourselves. Right. So, what are you recommending for a stage? I was leading toward what city council had discussed, trying to build something that's permanent. Okay. And is functional for the other 360 days of the year when it's not a stage.

Should we do that within a budget? I don't know what the budget is yet. Okay. We don't know what it is. We can rent until then. Yeah. That's phase three. We can rent them until then. Well, whatever works. I mean, I think we need a stage. I think it needs to be permanent. We can continue to rent the same stage like we've been doing over here by the theater until we get to phase three, right? That's 13,000 a year as of last year's. So, and they cut enough down. Yeah. Okay. So it's I got council member Utenberg Rambo.

So I think I'm sensing the the committee is moving in a particular direction regarding their feelings towards this stage and that probably ties in with the questions that I was going to ask about this what I'll call a portable stage anyway. Who would be responsible for putting it up and taking it down? City staff. And then city staff would have to move it from Village Green back over to the parking lot. So that's going to be a significant commitment of manpower to set it up and to be moving it back and forth and safety issues. Liable for Yeah. And then the city's liable for

I would probably ask for some cost proposals from some of our contractors to do it for us just because some of it's metal. It's heavy. We're doing it in the summer months. So, it's just a difficult proposition for these proposed dollar amounts here strictly for the structure. I mean, we're talking tens of thousands and it's I mean, the 13,000 we're spending annually right now for all of our concerts. We continue to spend until we build a permanent structure. If we do this, we're spending this large amount up front and we're probably going to spend at least 13,000 if not more having it put up and taken down and stored.

So, we're actually increasing our annual expense plus the upfront expense. And then we still want to do the permanent thing, you know, three, four, five years down the road. So,

I got council member Rambo. I I was just going to before I knew that it was only $13,000 for a whole year, I was going to suggest that we look into maybe financing the dang thing. But they are industrial looking. They don't look great. I think Village Green is crying out for some sort of band stand or band, you know, some kind of stage. I mean, that was my concept of Village Green was first and foremost the events that we have and you know, you need a dang stage for that. And if we can build in physical structure, we can still pay somebody to do the audio v audiovisisual part of it, but um we don't have any idea what that cost is going to be. And so I would kind of lean against buying a stage that we have to assemble with city staff and that's looks ugly. I'd rather just continue to rent an ugly stage and um try to prioritize the you know in the future budget building a structure that's worthy of the rest of the village.

Yeah. as part of phase three to be done. So, it's it's just a matter when we get to that point. But, can we get the money for it though? Don't we have to stay within the budget of Yeah, that was my question. Million dollars. Is that the what's what's 4.6 is what I remember. Could be off a bit, but but it goes up each year. Yes. Says based on inflation pressures. Hey, we have a few years we'll have it. I think assembly and reassembly on that on that that I think that's kind of fragile that pad there. It's probably going to beat the hell out of it by the time we get around to it.

So, how how do we get a permanent stage eventually if we if we're stuck within that budget? Well, I think if the committee is is is agreeable, we would continue to rent the current current equipment. And then during the budget cycle this year, look at okay, here's what we spent today. Here's what is available. This is what is our priority. If it's the stage, then we authorize money to do design and engineering and then build it some point in the future. So, do you need do you need if if the committee's recommendation is to not purchase one of these and just continue? Do you need a motion for that?

Yes. So, like to make that motion, council, seconded by council Dodwell. Uh, any further discussion on the motion? I would just like to know if we have any even a conceptual drawing. Can I just make one comment? It's Vicki. Oh, yeah. So, so that's my question. Go ahead. Sorry, Vicki. I asked a question. Can we get an answer? Yeah. Before or after? Um, what do you think? We could certainly get some type of What I would suggest is instead of spending money on, let's say, an architect, landscape architect, whatever. Right. Right. We could probably find some images that show what others have done.

Be nice to know. And here here's what we're looking at today with the with the aluminum. looks like it's a Tinker Toy versus this is what we'd like to have graphically. I I think being able to graphically see that difference is important if we're talking about the budget. That's all.

Just one more point. I apologize. Um early on when we were just starting Village Green, Mr. do a bombshell construction and I had a conversation and he thought trying to can lever something in terms of shade so that there would be no obstructions poles in front of the band itself and so there's that thought but certainly we can find some images that would give you at least some food for thought. Yeah, council member

just one comment wanted to say that I brought it forward based on celebrate Wildwood committee saying that based on the cost of renting that it appeared the ability to buy a stage um would be approximately the same amount. um this committee decided that we wanted to look for a more permanent solution and that's when we went back and said please find out what those costs are. It sounds like those costs are pretty expensive at this point. So I think that was the initial reason why we went this direction was based on this committee making that recommendation um that we look at a permanent solution but it still sounds like it's cost prohibitive at this point. All right. So, we have we have the motion on the floor to proceed with the status quo of renting for 13,000 a year. Um, any further discussion? Okay. Seeing none, all in favor, please say I.

I. I. Any opposed? Any abstension? Awesome. Okay, great. Uh, next on the agenda is Village Green phase one update. Director Vinnich. Thank you again, Mr. Chair, and promise from this point forward is M. Ripto.

In terms of the village green update, there's just a couple of key points. Um, conversations have been held with bomb bombshell construction and they should be out on the site um tomorrow and Wednesday at the very least doing some of the punch list items that have been identified as part of the memorandum. Next level uh the concrete contractor will be out there. There's a couple of areas on the stage as well. Next is the concrete path that joins the stage that have some blemishes associated with them. But we're going to use some sand blasting and try to get the colors consistent and remove the blemishes that are in association with it. Tom Kelp who's doing the to had done the storm water installations for the management component as well as the water fountain a while back from a firm in California that is necessary for the water fountain fountain part will be in this week and they comes to install the water fountain next so we are getting some progress finally um and I think that's key obviously there's some other punch list items that aren't as critical as uh some of the actual physical work at the location. Those are all the warranty information, the booklets that are provided relative to the the equipment, etc., etc. Mr. Lee and I had a conversation today. We're not exactly sure when the furniture is going to show up. Um we've tried to get an estimate. Um, obviously getting things from China or other locations is a little more difficult these days and so we're just kind of waiting to see. The other item on the as part of the memorandum is a little more meaty. Um, as you know, in about six weeks, we'll have our first event there and shortly thereafter,

we'll have our opening and then also our major fundraising effort at phase two intent based upon our fundraising committee and um others to actually try to get some of our larger donors, potential donors out to the site, show it to them. Unlimited Play has made a commitment to be there that day and line out where all of the components would be. Miss McKay, the owner of Unlimited Play, will be there and for the most part lead the discussion on why it's why it is something that if you're interested, you should donate. Saying all of that, there are two areas that the department had requested um a change order from Bombshell Construction. The end of Main Street, which is where the switch gear was installed, and then the western edge of the oval. Bombshell provided that information. The cost was reasonable, but not great. And so, the department got a second bid from Tehill Construction. And that's it. This part of the memorandum department is wanting to get the work done quickly and complete that 28 egg hunt. Although I think for a safe event certainly if you notice people continue to use Crest View Drive and are maneuvering through rock and muds. They traverse that particular area at the end of Green Street. The bid is um bomb bill at this stage. I think Mr. Lee and I agree just need to get the work done and have it ready for our events as we start the spring. This is no way affects the contract with bombshell construction. You know, the error in the

undergrounding of the lines. The switch gear was a new concept, new component. And so the work at the end of Main Street was not part of the original contract, nor was it at the western edge because we were wanting to save the trees, large evergreens that have been retained. And so we asked them not to go into that area with their graders. And we've saved the trees and I think they are healthy based upon Omni Tree Service and their input. So tonight, the department is respectfully requesting authorization to engage Thill items. T-Hill is one of our 11 contractors that were boomed at the start of this fiscal year 2026 as part of our overall bidding process. So from that perspective, we're not going outside the maintenance contracts in this particular instance. So from the perspective of the department, we appreciate decision tonight so we can make some headway one way or the other. Thank you. So just to clarify, director Vish, that the bid Till is replacing which two items on the change order?

They will be working at the end of Main Streeting that area so the storm water doesn't collect at the switch gear, which it does now, and then leveling it out and getting grass established. And on the western most edge of the oval, there is an area where the trees encroached right up to where they were installing concrete ring and pavers. We asked them not to go any further uh because they were using a large grater and we were afraid they're Oh, so but I'm saying that this bid for Tehill for 13,950 this is separate from all the change orders. So we're just looking at contracting T- Hill versus talking to Bombshell. Yeah, we had talked to Bombshell and the difference is approximately, I think, $4,000. Yeah.

But all these other change orders are already in place. Yes. And they were presented to city council, you know, at the Monday meeting collectively with all the background material. Okay. Aubrey, did you have a question? Um, no. Yeah. Um, so would somebody like to make the motion to engage Thill for this work? Council member Do. We have a second rotten. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor, please say I. I. I. I. Opposed. Any obstension?

All right. Awesome. All right. So, now we've got Village Green phase two fundraising efforts and general updates. Miss Ribbitzo.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, Mr. Mr. Chair, members of uh the committee, I wish I had more updates to give you about the fundraising efforts. Um but we've kind of hit a lull right now and uh the group hasn't met since uh January 14th, which so you had a recent update on it. Um as far as uh the fundraising between then and now, uh we were at 23160 23,160 and we're at 23,730 now. So, it hasn't gone up despite our, you know, posting more on social media and such. We have gotten a ton of views on our um story map. Uh there's been over 1500 views. We just haven't had a whole lot of people um sponsoring. Uh the Able Fables to date is showing $150 um raised on their on their site, which given it's about $5 per item purchased is actually better than it seems. Um, sure.

On on the donations, um, the way the site shows it, it kind of insinuates that you have to give the full 5,000 or the full 4,000. Is there any way that we can change the website a little bit to say give your donation to this item and then they can pick $150 $200 or well the website it goes through all of the different pieces of equipment and we've only we've only um uh have six pieces of equipment sponsored and those are sponsored really early on but we have had several people contribute $100 $150. Okay. In January, we had a $500 contribution. So, I think people are fig have figured out that they can.

Okay.

Uh they don't have to sponsor an entire item. And so, I I don't know that that's confusion. I haven't gotten any calls on that either. So, um but that is the way that uh Unlimited Play has it set up. And so, we don't have a whole lot of control over that. I've already finagled I think as much as I can. We have our own special website. Um but yeah, so that being said, um the uh the committee's decided to focus more on like the $500,000 uh dollar deficit rather than the $2 almost $4 million for the entire park and and try and bridge that gap. And thus far, we have, you know, approximately $24,000 um towards that. Uh so um again as uh director Vunich uh noted we would like to uh target larger donors sponsors outside of Wildwood maybe hospitals and such and so um having a fundraising component as part of the opening of the village green so that um Miss McKay could you know give her spiel and in prior to the village green ribbon cutting and then everyone could meet out on the village green uh property. Um, I think we're leaning towards a Saturday in April, either the 11th or the 25th. Uh, the uh sponsorship uh group is or the fundraising group is meeting next week. So, we'll discuss the details of that further. Um, uh, and on a side note, the department is also working on putting together like a sponsorship page, not even of just sponsorships, but how can I get involved in my community? How can I support my community? And so in that it would have all of the sponsorships and stuff like that. And so that's just kind of an aside note, not related to this, but it should maybe help put the word out there, at least direct people. Um, but that being said, the reason uh that we wanted to bring this to you tonight with so little updates is because uh the department did come across a grant opportunity. Um, and we haven't even had a chance to run it by the fundraising

group yet. But given it's timesensitive, uh this is the last round of grants that they're doing for this and the grant is due on March 31st. It's the uh T-Mobile Hometown Grants Program. Um it relates to building, rebuilding, refreshing community spaces that help foster uh local connections. Um, and they're committed they're committing up to 25 million through 2026 to support small towns, villages, and territories across the US. Um, and the cities and small towns consist of a population of less than 50,000. So, we qualify for that. Um, the projects have to be shovel ready. Um, uh, physical builds or improvements that can be completed within 12 months. And so, this just kind of seems to fit the bill as far as that's concerned. uh they partner with um Main Street America um as far as like give awarding the grants and such. And I feel like this is exactly the type of feel-good kind of project that Main Street America appreciates, especially green space, town center, you know, um with uh uh helping people of all abilities. And so I think that uh it's there's a possibility we could get it. Um the grant amounts are up to $50,000. Um, so it's kind of a drop in the bucket when it comes to $500,000 gap, but it is still a significant chunk of change. Um, and so this this appears to align perfectly with um what we're looking for as well as as far as the all-inclusive um fundraising um is concerned. And so that being said, tonight the department is seeking the committee's approval to move forward with um uh submitting an application for this grant uh before the 31st of March. And so with that, that concludes the department's presentation, but if you have any questions, we would be happy to answer them to our best ability.

Oh, go ahead. Why Why are you asking for permission to get this $50,000? Is that something you should just do on your own? Um, you know, we like to uh we we like to get the council's approval for all the things that we do, but yes. Um, so how many how many uh fundraising events do you have scheduled? So as far as the city's concerned, we only have the one with the village green opening uh grand opening scheduled. Again, it's hard to get it on everybody's schedules and with all of the things the department has uh I not just the department, we've got lots of meetings as we discussed earlier. So we're talking one fundraising event.

Um we are talking one fundraising event as of now. There have been businesses that have done um fundraising. Uh the martial arts um and the group was also, I think, reaching out to restaurants to see if they wanted to participate. Um but yeah, and there was the holiday lighting that they donated um $500 to um from Prescue. How big is your committee? Uh I think it's down to five people now. Five people. Yeah. Could Could we at each of our events throughout the summer. We have been well I mean in the summer

we have been yeah we've had uh posters and we've had um car like the little postcards and stuff that we've handed out and we've we've talked to people about it um and council member a microphone in front on the stage and say guess what folks tonight you can help make it possible. That is definitely worth discussing. and people going through with buckets or something. Sure. Sure. And I think at this stage anything I'm just trying to think of anything. Yeah. I think should panhandle that

and Taylor get out there with his own book. Good luck with that one. Well, that being said, if if anyone has any suggestions for people that we should invite to this um fundraising, you know, um little VIP party prior to the Village Green opening, send me names of of people and businesses and such that that you think would be um you know, great to reach out to and invite to this. Okay. To add them.

Yeah. um my phone pad and computer um show things differently, but I've noticed that the um the presence of the of the new playground has fallen off the the the city website. It's kind of it's back a ways and you have to kind of look for it. C is there a way that we can make it permanently a part of it? You just a little part. Hey, you know, help us with the playground sometime. I mean, you can think of the language, but um it's if it's not readily apparent when people go there, we're not we're losing probably losing some eyeballs.

Yeah, we have had it on the news flashash, you know, since we started this fundraising effort. Um and it's still on there, but you have to arrow over toward, you know, I arrowed over and I didn't find it on my pad here. And you can look at it to make sure I'm not um you know, Yeah, I just saw it I on there earlier today. Um, I I I was I I had an Amtrak disaster and I had um my brain is not working very well, but I think I um

I'm hoping that how do I get involved? Um like what we would like to do is link it with the under the how do I also under support your community businesses support your community or like get involved or something like that and then just have a page that goes into volunteering for boards, commissions, committees that goes into our various commemorative programs. But just a blip of it and then takes it to the page. But have it all collectively in one place. I think we can do better. My mom says let you put a poster picture of the playground in their windows. I help. They can't open signs in their windows right now. That's true.

Can I Can I make a comment at some point, too? Yeah. I got Council Roenberg and then I got you, Council Roki.

Thank you. I have I have um two crazy ideas here when it comes to fundraising and I've seen this used to good effect in some other fundraising efforts. One is um we have a fundraising event to have an auctioneer there. Now auctioneers obviously when you charge a fee, but they can be very effective sometimes in spurring the crowd into maybe reaching a little bit more deeper into their pockets than they might otherwise. The other thing uh would be and council Rambo alluded to this making uh a fundraising and I don't know if we can do this or not if this is appropriate but making a fundraising effort visible on the city's website in the form of we have the playground there and then we have a uh the traditional thermometer that you see that you know start the temp it starts to rise as we get closer closer and closer to our particular goal.

Seeing that could encourage people to give because they want to see that thermometer go all the way to the top. We there is one of those on unlimited plays website like they have you know percentage of goal attained and um and our website directs people there but I guess now it's between we have the story map in between the story map I can't get that to work really unfortunate. No I've tried it on different devices I can't get it to open up. Yeah we need to tweak that a little bit. Okay, I'll look into it and see and figure out the issue there. Um, yeah, Council Member Blooi,

just quick comment. I think, um, from my perspective, I do a lot of fundraising. I think from the city's perspective, it's difficult because they haven't done it in the past and trying to find something that the city group is comfortable with for us going forward is trying to find a way to make that come together in a way that's successful for all of us. I did recommend having an event um prior to the opening of Village Green and I think that wasn't as wellreceived but did come back and say we should have something um earlier in the day prior to the opening of the village green and the ribbon cutting for that and we'll talk about it next week and see if that's something that everybody feels comfortable with. But I think because the city hasn't done this in the past, it's harder to come to terms on what is the right event, um I'm very willing to try and say we need to decide on what that is so that we can make this come together with the right people there um to do the fundraising we need. I think it's just trying to pull all the parts together in a way that everyone feels comfortable um at this point is where I'm at um from my perspective because I feel like we've we're trying to pull that together in the right way. I think it's just difficult um because it's new to the city. I think I think the the whole premise of the fundraising is a great way to try to generate additional funds to help subsidize some of the costs that we're undertaking for this thing. And I think um but I also think that because this is so new to your point, council, you know, most people don't even really understand the village green yet until they actually get to go there and enjoy it and start to see what's there. I think

the fundraising efforts might materialize better and more fruitfully in the coming years when people are actually using it and then I think if we stay in front of them and keep it. I would also caution that you know there's a lot of different um typically the city's coming at people about ordinances and changing this and right now we've got the deer thing that's taking a lot of publicity and we've got the turnberry thing going on and all this kind of stuff. So, um, you know, coming at people too hard about money and donations, I think to put it out there, make sure it's visible, but I think to be too aggressive with it, I'd be careful with that. And especially considering, you know, a lot of people, Wildwood's a upper middle class city, but for the most part, but a lot of people are feeling financial pressures right now. I mean, credit card uh balances are at historic highs, delinquencies are rising. I mean, so there there's definitely and I'm not trying to get into economic discussion. I'm just saying though, like if we're coming at people really hard about donations. I think making sure that it's visible and it's out there. So somebody who might be in a position or inclined to want to do that. And keep in mind too, everybody with kids that would be using the Village Green and the and the and the um unlimited play and all that. All these schools are having all these auctions and fundraisers all the time. Everybody's in Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and soccer teams and basketball teams and every single organization that families participate in are constantly asking them for money and fundraising for a million different things. So, I would advocate that the city's probably on a lower end of the totem pole of priorities for most people when it comes to making a donation. So, once again, I think it's a great idea. I think we should put it out there, make sure that the information is available and for somebody who might be interested and and our events have posters and signage, but I think we should be careful as to how aggressive we're pushing it.

So, Michael, you're saying really, you're basically saying we don't need a fundraiser then, right? No, I'm not saying I'm just saying I just don't think we should be making it like a main focal point of the village green. Well, Vickiy's a fundraiser, right? Is that my understanding? Wow. Do you have some kind of different idea how we can raise money beyond the routine? Uh way to raise it expectations maybe too lofty here. We need to level set.

Well, I think our our target was to raise $500,000. One of the ways in doing that um through u Miss McCay was she was going to contact the media to see if we could do something through um that source to highlight it. And then we also talked about having um one fundraiser to try and invite some folks to um to target some folks who would be willing to donate and also look at our other resources um in the process. So I think we have a few good ideas on what to do, but I was charged with trying to help the group to fund raise. So that's my goal is to help that group in that effort. Yeah,

that's correct. And Miss McCay seemed to think that, you know, the $500,000 was a doable number. And again, it would be great if we could have more fundraising events, but we have very limited capacity as city staff to make that magic happen. Um, I'm asking what kind of events can we do? Like, you know, there's golf tournaments, there's uh ways to uh Sure. something out outside the box or something. I don't know. Uh I've never fundraised before.

Well, and to try and to try and incorporate into something that is already existing. Um, I had suggested that maybe we do before, you know, as we do the ribbon cutting for the village green that we also ask folks to come prior and have a presentation by Miss McKay and to do that as a fundraiser or brunch before the event for Village Green ribbon cutting so we could incorporate it in the way the city would like to see that happen. So that was my suggestion. We haven't had a meeting to talk about that fully to see if the group feels comfortable with that, but I think we could incorporate something that would bring some funds to the city. And we also would be inviting folks that um we haven't asked yet to say are you willing to give us some addresses and some people who would be willing to come to that event. So, um I think we could incorporate into what we already have going as long as it's a time that the mayor could be available and that we could do it in conjunction with the opening of the village green. And then we talked about either having, you know, depending upon the weather, having um something inside or having it outside and and having signage out there to show people where the equipment and things would be. When is it when are we hoping to have raised the funds to do this?

Very good question. Um, we have our $575,000 grant that's supposed to be committed by June, but um, so if we're at $23,000, I'm not a fundraising expert, but you people need to call Albert Pooher. You know, we we need to go after, you know, people large volume donors, not organically driven community.

Goal with the fundraising event with the village green event is to target larger sponsors that would like to have their name on as far as sponsorship is concerned. And that's kind of the goal is to for this event um target that audience that that has deeper pockets than say our small businesses that we have here. Is going to make contact with those individuals. Yes. And Natalie McKay has actually volunteered to go meet with them personally to invite them because she said a lot of times people don't necessarily want to come to the event, but they're willing to, you know, sponsor. And so she said that she's willing to, you know, do the footwork to uh so can we give her the authorization to hit the pavement?

Yeah. So that's that's what we're coming up with now and we're coming up with a list and that's what we'll be discussing at our next meeting. What about what about a uh like naming rights for the enterprise village green? Just a thought. We have I mean like they get naming rights for five or 10 years or whatever it is for you know certain amount. If we're going to have a lot of traffic through there it's a great advertising opportunity but every other like amphitheater or public space like that has sold naming rights. I mean, that's a way to get in some sizable money. Then, would we perhaps let them meet

once again? Because I think we've kind of gone through the holiday season, which is not a real giving season for non significant other. I think after the holiday season's even worse, letting people recover. We're asking in April, you know. Yeah. Go with it and come up with different ideas. Sure. So again, if you have suggestions of businesses or have contacts with um anyone, please feel free to send them to me and uh we'll put them on our all-inclusive list for Natalie to chat. Find some more of those grads for $50,000. Yeah. Yeah. Well, grants are time consuming. So $50,000. Absolutely.

There's a good chance. There's a lot of They're giving out a lot. So that's a that's a good good find. Cool. Thank you. Thank you very much, ladies. Um that takes us to the next item, two items. Does anybody have any questions, concerns or comments related to the two final items under parks matters? Right. Seeing none, that takes us into executive session, which we don't have. And then uh the not ready for action under planning and parks matter. There's eight items and director Vunich uh was nice enough to provide us with an update. If you look at the uh handout that was provided to you,

um there's an update on the back of that for each item of those eight um giving you a time update on what's going on in the timeline for next steps related to that. If anybody has any questions relating to that, we can address those now. It looks like this. I know it's got a stack over here I'm going through to find it. I'll just I'll go through real quick if you want. Uh thank you

the resurfacing of parking lot area at anniversary park. There was an attached RFP for the publication on Friday. Uh urban night sky designation of city park sites uh report to be prepared for the March committee meeting. So we'll have that next month. The foundation organization or comparable for park and recreation donations to the city. Uh the department can have that on the next agenda. So it'll be March then as well. and the memorandum of understanding with department of natural resources for Al Farster Trail. Uh the department of Missouri Department of Natural Resources have been working on a format for the MLOU with assistance now needed from the city attorney. So we'll get a followup once that's taken place.

That's a slow process with MDR. Oh yeah. The memorial badge program on city owned lands. There's an attachment memorandum of that in this packet and there's a temporary hold given the locations for the benches are limited. You could come back with something if you like, but as you know, we were kind of filling up Rock Hollow pretty bad. Not in a bad way, but almost everywhere we could put a bench, we have a bench. And so we're starting to fill up the locations. And council member,

yeah, it doesn't just have to be Rock Hollow. I mean, any place somebody would want to put a bench that would work should be able to. I think we should keep that program active. Well, and certainly it's the decision of city council, but we spend a lot of time putting in benches that fit the character of the facility. And these benches don't fit the character of the facility and

plastic and they're they're they're meant to be for the most part very resilient to abuse. And we have the pavers now that we're trying to sell in the park. We have a couple of other we have the tree program. We have pavers at Old Pond School. We have them at Village Green. So, and we're asking for money for Village Green phase two. So, I don't know. I guess we give those trees out free, right? Pardon? We give those trees out free. No, you had a sapling said Arbor's Day. We do. But because we get those free.

Put a sign there. donate to the park or something, you know, just donate, you know, random.

Yeah, I was just going to say what that indicates to me is the benches are 1,800 bucks a piece and that's a reasonable price point and people are some people are comfortable with that two grand if we can think of something that is equally imp impactful. It doesn't have to be a bench. So I I mean this is not a this is not a brainstorm or innovation. And I just kind of think um there's a there's a gap between the pavers and um and the trees and stuff and a a bench. I don't know what it would what it would what would be an alternative, but there's people out there willing to pay two grand to have their name on something that somebody uses. Um seems round fees, too. I'm sorry.

Yeah. Playground paper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean all all sorts of things. We can look at different ideas and yes, we can bring something back. It's just we were scrambling to find locations and not every location I think is appropriate. I just appreciate the generosity of residents and a lot of people are relatives of residents that have passed but also it's a little depressing when you see all the benches and it's in memory of it's just like Yeah. Yeah. And it's nothing but benches. I mean, you know, supposed to be a natural area. Yeah, we could talk about other other things and table that for another conversation.

Uh, the next item is aesthetic lighting regulations, referral from city council. We shifted the funding and resources to electronic message centers. With the legislation now in place, the department will begin this process with the committee. So, we'll look for more conversations on that. We have our first application from our fire protection district for electron for their sign they put in without asking. Yeah. And it's not Lafayette.

Yeah. Uh building and trade code reviews department will need to engage a consultant to assist in this matter. Recommendation given the complexity of the complement of codes and interpretations by the city's partner St. Louis County to withdraw this item. So we'll take that off. And the last item is the discussion of potential decision-making metrics for technical and/or consultant work products. the city administrator's work in this regard may address this matter and matrices

just the the trade the building and trade codes they're very very complex I would not do it justice even if I took a look at them county interprets them around 2015 there's a new set out probably we still just recently passed 2015 so it could be a black hole for us so I would encourage just to kind of steer clear. They do the codes work and if you talk to many of the builders, they feel they're but I just feel like boy, we could spend a lot of time and not make much progress.

Okay. Um Kchen, I've got miscellaneous when you get to it. Yeah, I'll get there in a second. Um, one other thing I wanted to uh really quick relating to our meeting for March, it's currently scheduled for the 17th. Would the committee be opposed to moving that to the 24th? I don't know. Probably not. Reason I bring that up is I'll be I'll be out of town on spring break. Spring break. It's spring break week. St. Patrick's Day and March. Yeah. move it to the 23rd, which is that Monday. It's a free Monday. Okay.

The 24th is that 23rd. We've got our building committee. Didn't know that meeting or the week before. Do you mind if I maybe just come up with some options and send them out to I'll do that tomorrow. Council member McCussen. Um, yeah. I know a long time ago we talked about the speed limit on Highway 100 and all the noise. I noticed that Ellisville once you get right inside of Ellisville on 100, speed limit's 40. Yeah. So I don't know if that's something we'd want to consider even approaching like mod about changing the speed limit.

Maybe it's still 50 for a while. It's 50. Well, it's it's 50 past the storage. It is for a little bit and then it's 40 because I got a ticket because I thought it was 55 after striker. Yeah, it drops after striker. It does. Yeah. So I I mean that's something we talked about. I noticed it. Um if that's you know something we want to consider then I think it also will once you get past Streer, you're getting a much higher density traffic situation than you are less. I don't know. You can't get out of Forest Leaf Parkway for 15 minutes. So I don't know. I'm lucky not to get a speeding ticket. No, I got one because it dropped and that's just recently. That's

It's hard. It's hard to stay at 50, I think, on 100 once you get past. She get past speed. Yeah. I could never say a thing to kids because I had more tickets than they did. No, I'm just saying I think if you made it 40 further west, it would problematic is that everybody would be exceeding the speed limit. Yeah. I mean, we just talked about it before and I noticed it. So, I can certainly ask Mr. Brown to consider it a board of public safety. Yeah, because we did get it changed by Lafayette High School once. We did several years ago, but it's just information. Anybody else?

All right. Well, thank you all for your participation and healthy debate and conversations. We got some good stuff handled tonight. and thank you for the department and all the work you guys put into doing all of these agendas and getting all the information for us to discuss. So I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. Council member second council tryer debate on the motion. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor please say I. I. Any opposed? Any obsession? Thank you very much. Thank you all three weeks March and I'll tell I'll make some bouncy