Development and Zoning Review Committee - Regular Meeting

uh Monday's meeting. I don't know how long this trip will last yet. Okay, let us know. All right. Um All right. Doing all Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Hello. Good evening, Betty. And I drove uh yesterday and uh really curious where they're going to plunk a 100 houses. Mr. Chair, it's five it's 5:30 if you'd like to get started. All right. Um I'll go ahead and call this meeting to order. I'd like to welcome everyone to the this meeting of the city's development and zoning review committee. At tonight's meeting, this interested party will introduce and provide a presentation on a development proposal that would be located within within the city of Wildwood. Tonight's meeting provides this interested party the opportunity to propose a concept and then hear feedback from this committee which is composed of key city decision makers. One meeting is normally offered for this purpose. However, in certain instances, a second discussion may follow. It is important to note this concept plan is in very preliminary and informal stages of the city's review process such as subject to changes if it proceeds to the formal subdivision process. The committee welcomes the public's attendance tonight via the Zoom platform or streaming uh live on YouTube, but given the preliminary and informal nature of this presentation, public comment is not being sought at this time. If the

proposed development does proceed to the formal submission process, members of the public will have numerous opportunities to address the city's planning and zoning commission andor city council regarding it. At that time, the committee would like to thank you for your attendance at tonight's meeting. Um, can I get a roll call of commission members, please, or committee members? Council member Mabberry here. Council member Merier, he just came in so audio may still be connecting. Um, Council Member Marshall present. Mayor Gano present and Chair Batty present. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Chair Batty, could I make a just a small remark here uh for a second? Yes, sir. Yeah. just for for the benefit of uh the council members who may have not participated in the development zoning review meeting. Um these meetings are typically short. They're only about 30 minutes or less. This is not a meeting where any decisions are being made. Um we are basically giving the petitioner the opportunity to present their concept plan and provide a very high level of feedback. So there's no debating, no in-depth detailed discussion. Um it is it is primarily pretty much either thumbs up like you're on the right track or maybe work on a few things. the real detail work takes place in the planning and zoning commission once uh if the petitioner does even decide to move forward with their their plan. So, just wanted to let you know what it is because I know some wards don't see these as often as some of the other

wards uh especially around town center area. So, so again uh nothing to get into extreme detail here. This is just strictly the petitioner giving giving them the opportunity to to present. Um I kind of almost, you know, related to almost like Shark Tank, you know, they have a chance to present their concept plan and you can kind of give them some initial feedback, but no decisions are made tonight. Yeah, W one, W eight are common at these meetings. I think this is the first time I've seen W two. Um, uh, does the planning and does the department of planning and zoning have any comments? Yes, Mr. Chair. To the members of the committee, thank you very much for making time Monday tonight, Monday, to attend the discussion. We do appreciate it very much. As I often say, without you, we can't do anything. So, thank you. In preparation of tonight's discussion, the department did provide you some materials briefly. The department will describe them. As part of the meeting, we always provide the bylaws. So, if there are any questions on the part of the committee members, it's very easy to kind of reference them and hopefully we can answer any questions or resolve any issues. Along with that, tonight there was an aerial aerial photography provided of the general area. There are two colors on that aerial photography. One is green. That is the portion of Westland Acres that is in Wildwood and the other is white and that's the portion of Westland Acres that's in the city of Chesterfield. So this historic community is split by two jurisdictions

and principally the line that splits the two jurisdictions roughly is portion of of Church Road. Along with that information, the department thought it appropriate for you to see the preliminary plat that the city of Chesterfield is already processing through its subdivision process. And a preliminary plat means that there is no zoning change associated with their proposal. They are working on the subdivision issues as we speak. The other plan which is the last sheet in the bunch that is the preliminary plan not platt that is for the city of Wildwood. And you'll notice the difference because that particular plan contains Union Baptist Church, the historic cemetery, and so it's a distinguishing factor between the two. Also included in the packet is the ordinance that approved the placement of 19 properties in the Wildwood portion of Westland Acres onto the city's historic register. And that was required for them to potentially utilize the fif the fifth land use category as we call it or the historic land use category of the master plan. That category allows certain latitude with densities and types of uses when historic properties are being considered. And along with that ordinance which was approved about 20 years ago, there is the original change in zoning application of the historic land use category of the master plan and then the overlay district that was approved approximately a year later in July 2006. And so as you have before you tonight a

lot of information but all of it about 20 years ago along with again the new preliminary plan that'll be the topic of discussion. If you have any questions for the departments of planning and public works Mr. Newberry, Miss Ribbit, Mr. Brown, Mr. Lee who is our city administrator and I are available. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Vunich. Um, would the petitioner like to present their plan to us? Hi guys, my name is Brett Lawless to my left or I guess on your guys' side. I believe it's should be the left on there, but this is Mike Lawless and then Dwight Clark. Uh, hi there. So, just real briefly on my side. Um, bringing us up to to speed on this piece. We broke this into two pieces. We we did the Chesterfield side and the the Wildwood side. Um, one thing that stuck out to me that I wanted to make sure was we we all were on the same page with is the Wildwood side is this part with the church and with um the legacy village. So, that's where we're going to have um the piece that the the the families are able to still live up there and especially Doris Frasier who um you know back I guess it was a couple years ago now on her 93rd birthday which we were all I believe a lot of us were at um May 8th was made Doris for Asia Day in Wildwood. So that was a pretty exciting piece. And my my only ask is that as dad kind of presents the technical pieces of this that we keep in mind that that's sort of our our urgency here is uh we'd like Doris to be able to see the the fruits of her labor there. So that's what I have and then uh Dad will kind of

walk us through the other pieces here. Right. And uh also we have in attendance tonight uh Andreel uh Hman who is uh sort of the family's representative. So, if you could possibly bring her in for any input that she may have for for for the families, I would appreciate that. Uh, so she's here as a representative of the families and uh as a real estate representative of them. And as far as the um and then Mike uh Mike uh Faulner is also here from Sterling and has some good engineering knowledge who may help us be able to explain this to you and be able to answer engineering questions as they come up. But um what we've what we've done here is as Brett said is to divide this into two uh separate areas. The Chesterfield area obviously that's that's handled by Chesterfield and Wildwood which will be handled by Wildwood. Uh we also uh moved the roadway in Chesterfield to be entirely uh Church Road will be entirely uh in Chesterfield. And then as we go into Wildwood, uh, Church Road will be entirely in Wildwood so that we kind of get rid of the split um, u road right away. And uh, so that's that's one area

of this. And then uh, we've we've got these lots at 110 ft in width. And we have worked with the Monarch Fire District to get a variance on the so that we are approved with Monarch Fire District for the one entrance on uh on Church Road off of uh um I believe that's uh off of the main road. I think that's Meiser Streker Road. Yes. So um and then we have included the legacy village which will be 10 home sites um uh which we feel is an important part of this proposal. Uh we're also uh going to uh redo some of the cemetery and uh get that uh squared away. And then the subdivision uh will take over uh a large part of the maintenance of the cemetery moving forward. Um so that the church will be relieved of that. Um let me see. Uh we also will be giving somewhat of a faceelift to the church. Um and uh you know we won't be adding on to the church but we will be uh probably putting on you know some uh new a new front and things like that to give it uh

kind of a new dynamic pop and uh that type of thing. Um any I think the biggest thing that we we had here is just and I know there's not the procedure is the procedure but I I just know from the family's perspective that they'd want me to say that you know this has been a long time in the making. In fact I'm not even joking. Uh the first time I heard about this I was like a little kid in his living room. Um, and uh, you know, so I mean I think they met Doris uh, back in shooting the early 90s. I've I've known Doris for 30 years. I knew Cliff when he was alive. Uh we've worked on and off on this and we got involved in it about two and a half years ago and we've been working consistently with with uh Andreel and Doris and Christy and Maria and Ronnie uh the whole family uh up there. And uh we would ask that this be expedited and that if any any way possible that we do this where we we've got 30 ft in between structures. We've got 110 ft wide lots. Uh we're we're uh minimizing the uh you know the u grading that we do up here. Uh we we feel that these lots are going to be just really really great lots and uh we ask for your backing on this and um we we hope that uh you find the uh layout as as pleasing as we do.

Thank you for that. Um Mayor Garitano. Yeah, thank you. Um, I do have a couple of questions just to seek some clarity here. Do you have that you can show us here? I think it helps to understand the overall proposal including the Chesterfield side. Can you pull that up on the screen and then I'll have some more questions regarding, you know, what we see here and how it all looks comprehensively. Are you asking us to do that? Um, well, if our department has it, that would be great. If not, um, certainly appreciate if you have that. I do not. I have We don't have it, but you've been showing it. So, I assume I don't have it. All right. What about if we ask some questions here? So, you said on the Wildwood side there's 58 acres, my understanding with 58 homes. That's at least my understanding. Joe Voonage, is that correct? Yes. The proposal include 58 lots. 56 of them are new home sites. One is the church and then one's called the legacy lot. Okay. Thank you for that. So, what is the Chesterfield site look like? Uh, I to defer to Mr. Faulner. Okay. Okay. I was going to say I could pull my Is that all of it? That's upside down. How many home sites on the Chesterfield side and how much area is on that side? 54. Mike, are you there? 54 or 47 acres. There are 54 lots and I'm not sure of the acreage to be honest with you. Can Can everybody hear me now? Yeah, Mike. Yeah, we can hear you. I can answer. Oh,

good. Okay. So, on the on the Chesterfield side, it's 56.32 acres and of that we have 50 lots. Those lots are also 110 foot wide. They're halfacre lots. Yeah. Okay. And that's on the Chesterfield side. And on the Wildwood side, what we're proposing is the same 110 foot wide lots. And majority of all of those lots are going to be right at the half and a half acre except for the 10 lots which we've created in the southwest corner which uh Travis is circling there is going to be the legacy lots and there'll be 10 lots there with uh 70 foot wide by 150 foot deep. So there'll be roughly about 10,500 square foot lots except for Doris's lot. We made her lot a little bit bigger. Uh, and that's kind of Sam again. Travis is showing it right there. So, of the Chesterfield, it's are on the Wildwood side, we have 63.39 acres and of that 63.39 acres, we'll have the 57 lots. So, we're less than one lot per acre overall density. Okay. Thank you uh Mike for Mike was speaking there. Um let me check. Director Vunage um don't see you here but let me see if uh I can change my view here. I'm here Mr. Mayor. Oh yeah. Thank you. So just to help me understand and and again thank you everyone for being here and appreciate it and uh you know this is good to get the information here. Um, so, Director Vunage, can you

help explain because I know that when we are looking at um halfacre lots, um, my understanding has always been that the master plan uh, calls for a larger lot size. Uh, and the town center area is the only one that has the higher density. So, could you could you explain a little bit about the uniqueness of this parcel here? um regarding uh this site here, but also how this uh compares with the density of adjoining subdivisions. Certainly, Mr. May, I'll do my best. First and foremost, if you look at this particular area prior to 2005, it was designated non-urban residential area by the master plan for land use, which meant it could have one unit for every 3 acres. Obviously, that's not the direction the city of Chesterfield was going with the development of their portion of this historic community and certainly not what many of the residents that resided in West Lakers saw it. So, prior to that, we had created the historic land use category. We call it the fifth land use category in the master plan and that is for historic properties. A key element of that is the properties have to be listed on the city's register. So, as mentioned in the preliminary comments, in 2005, 19 properties in the Wildwood portion of Westland Acres were added to the city's register. That kind of opened the door for consideration of something other than one unit for every 3 acres density. And in this case, the property was then reszoned to the 1acre resident district with the PRD.

The oneacre resident district then with the PRD allowed lots that were consistent with a halfacre size. All of this is premised on the history of Westland Acres and the retention of some of that history in this case by Union Baptist Church, the cemetery, the legacy lots where the family members can still reside in their generational location, etc. It's complicated, but it's all premised on this being a community that obviously has a long and very interesting history. I hope that helps, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for stating that. That's what I was checking to see. So, I guess in this case here, um, and I don't know where I saw 58 acres, 58 homes on 58 acres. Mr. Faulner said it's 50. Is it 57 on 63.9? Am I Oh, because you're not counting the the one existing home. I think Mr. Faulner didn't include the church lot. The church lot. Okay, that's correct. And that's and that's where you're saying Joe is that the where I believe I read it on the city documentation it said 58 that includes the church lot and um the the one exist the cemetery. Got it. So really we're looking at 56 new homes as part of this proposal on the Wildwood side. 57 because I believe Mrs. Frasier lot, which is the larger of the legacy lots. I believe she's going to build a new home, too. Okay. Um, thank you for this. I'm going to just uh digest some of this information here, but want to let um our

uh their council members here uh if they have any questions that they seek or any comments [Music] lost the video on some of these, but does does anyone else have any comments or concerns? Uh Mr. Councilman Marshall? Yeah, I actually I think while Brett said he was just a little kid there, I happened to know when this started and it was very difficult between trying to get the two cities to work together, get the zoning uh back together and there's a whole lot of stuff in those ordinances and my question Mr. vonage would be. So those ordinances that were 2005, 2006, do those still stay intact to and I mean because if as you remember you did them, we went through and and had to take the protected area to get the lots right and get those updated and it was very specific as to what could or couldn't be done on there. Do those get if if this goes forward, do they come back in underneath those? Do that we bring those to more current terms? Well, the underlying residential zoning district designation stays unchanged. That always kind of stays with the land, runs with the land, whatever, how whatever phrase you'd like to use. So although the overlay district with its performance standards relative to timelines weren't met. So the the overlay district is expired. It's no longer applicable. But we have for the most part what remains is the the 19 lots that are on the city's historic register and the R1 1acre resident district zoning under the historic land use category. So what the petitioner needs now is a new overlay district to basically work with this particular

concept that they're proposing tonight. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other um questions? Mr. Mayberry has some. Mr. Chair. All right, Mr. Mayberry. Go ahead. Thank you. Not as much related to features of the development, but but a but a an ancillary feature. We've had lots of discussion and we passed ordinances recently regarding secondary access um relation to obstructions to primary access. Will the will the secondary access on undeveloped ground from Wild Horse remain or will that um little small constructed swing gate with a padlock on it remain or will that all be vacated? Do you want us to answer that? uh whoever has command uh whether it's uh director Vunich uh or Travis or or you as developer Mr. Mayberry I would ask developer to respond to that or Mr. Faulner the engineer of record. Well let me respond to it to to begin with and then maybe have Mike Faulner follow up. We uh we made every effort to have uh the subdivision of Wild Horse get involved and provide us with an access and that would be the access that they were you were referring to Mr. Mabberry. However, they refused and uh

basically that's why we had to take almost a year and go to the uh Monarch Fire District and get a uh uh variance uh for that uh very thing. So, and and I think it's also important to note that this subdivision was greatly and greatly uh discriminated against. There is not one substrate in this development to this development. There is not one. Um, out of all of the subdivisions that surround this, there's not one substrate. So, there is also no sewer easements. So, I'm not saying that Wildwood had anything to do with that. It it happened prior to Wildwood being incorporated. So, you know, it's just a situation that occurred. this subdivision and these people have been severely discriminated against. And we went in and we did get a a uh a variance, but it did not come at no expense to the subdivision. Uh we have to provide 30 foot between each house. Now on the 100 10 foot lots, well that's not exactly a terrible toll, but it is it is a cost. And we also have to provide that same thing between uh the legacy lots. So those houses are going

to have to have 30 foot in between those. So, uh we did we have uh paid a price for this and uh the fire department gave us that uh that variance and they exacted a price from us for that variance and we now have that variance. So, I think that we're in a position that we should be able to utilize that variance and uh go from there. What cost did the fire district charge the development for the variance and what they didn't they didn't charge monetarily. So it's just opportunity cost and I mean plus just the the year that we took to to to do that through our attorneys and then also the year that it cost Miss Frasier and the families to not live in you know a house with water and sewers and stuff like that. Well, and what I was referring to was the 30 ft in between the houses. They felt like that was was something that would make up for the fact that they only had one one uh entrance. They went back and forth quite a bit on that and and they didn't do this lightly. It was uh I think very well thought out on their part and I think that uh uh we've we've worked through that and we would like that their their decision to be respected. Thanks for the description. Thank you, Mr. Chair. If I could just add something to that. Yes, sir. Go ahead. So maybe in more simpler terms, um the 108 lots, the 50 in Chesterfield and the 58 in Wildwood will be served solely by Church

Road. and to ensure that emergency access relative to at least a fire is addressed. That's why there's an increased setback along the sides of the dwellings so that if there is a fire, the houses aren't too close together to risk, let's say, a problem. And then I'm sure that they required hydrants at specific locations to better serve the the area. And I'm sure we're going to have a discussion about street widths just to make sure that if there's parking, the fire trucks and ambulances. Yeah, I'm sorry. I did I did that that there's only parking on one side of the street and uh I I do think there was something about Wiz, but uh at any rate uh there were some additional things. So yes, thank you. You're welcome. And again, Mr. Mr. Mayor, it's all about recognizing there's one access. So, they'll do everything the fire district and the city will do everything we can to ensure that police, fire, and EMS can get there with the least amount of problems. And if and if there is an an emergency, hopefully not, but you've got to expect it that it'll all be addressed pretty pretty efficiently and safely as possible. Last last thing that you just brought up yourself there, Joe. Are there any improvements required either width or construction capacity, weight, loads, anything to Church Road proper um toward the bottom at uh at the Highlands and the ex and the termination at at Streker? And if so, are those all uh born by the developer? don't know what they could be. It's a nice pretty wide road as it is. That's a very good

question, Mr. Mayberry, because all of the properties that are subject to the proposals, both city of Chesterfield and city of Wildwood, the majority of Church Road is offsite. And so that was a question that the departments public works and planning were going to pose eventually to the developer because it is in all intents and purposes somewhat of a substand substandard road. I mean it works fine for low density but now we have 108 lots potentially up top. Very good question. Thank you. Thank you for that. Um, Mayor Garitano, thank you. Uh, one thing that I'm looking for, and I don't see it in the attachments that's been provided, is the square footage for the lots on the Wildwood side. I see that the square footage has been provided on the that appears on the Chesterfield side, but am I missing a page or is that not been provided? Mr. Mayor, if I could answer that question. Uh, the lots will all be uh halfacre lots except for the legacy lots. Okay. Well, one thing I notice here is on page five of seven, I do notice that um this over here, if you look at page five of seven, maybe Travis, can you put that up here?

So Travis, I'm assuming the aerials won and then come from there. If I'm wrong, Mr. Mayor, correct me, please. Yeah, I think so. Can you This is This is pa what I think is page five. It's just been reoriented to to a north south orientation. Well, I'm kind of looking at it the way we have it. So, can you rotate it just once to uh to kind of make it match the way we have it? Let me see in the packet. Okay, I think that helps. So, can you zoom in a little bit? So, okay, perfect. This is good. So, I'm looking at this Mike. These are all the Chesterfield lots, correct? Okay. So, I'm seeing a lot of 20,000 plus square footage. Now, Travis, if you just kind of shift a little bit up. This has a little bit. Is this the Wildwood piece up here? Yes. To the to the north of the page, Mike, these are showing 15,000 square feet. So, one issue I have Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, if I could, Mr. mayor that when when they were putting this drawing together to get something to submit in on sketchwise that w that 15,000 square foot designation was what was originally on the uh Wildwood side plan that was submitted because the plan that was submitted uh back in 2000 in the 2000s was for 15,000 square foot lots. Got it. And that's just that was just a leftover

uh from that that didn't get removed when it was submitted into uh Joe. Okay. All right. That if that's the explanation, then that makes sense. The reason I'm saying this and I think then your explanation answers it is that I don't want this where you have the Wildwood site more dense than the Chesterfield site. Right. We don't want we don't want an inconsistency like that. And I certainly don't want the Wildwood side to feel like it's packed in, compressed. So, I think it it has to be consistent on both sides. Otherwise, someone's going to come into the subdivision and be like, "Wow, the Chesterfield side's more open and spacious and the Chester the Wildwood side is not." And I don't know that that would be something that uh our residents would like. So I think it has to be uh you know comparable or or even larger like that. Uh so thank you Mike that alleviated a concern I had there when I saw that. But I'll be looking for what the plans show there with the exception I do know that you guys have carved out a small section by I believe is it Doris is that where Doris's home uh home is? I think those are uh let me see with those smaller lots, right? Yeah. Travis, could you pull up that the Wildwood side? So, while the mayor's talking about he's talking about the the south west corner where the church is, that section there. Right. Right. And I know I understand that is is kind of the legacy section there that will so that that what we see there then is indeed then staying that way right Mike or is that different? Yes that is that is correct that will stay that way. Totally understand being uh being the legacy section there. So but

yeah I was looking for the the the the remaining lots to see um you know how they were kind of going there. But uh I think that's uh you there's I guess there's a reason you're calling it the legacy section there. Uh is that for the family members or is that um explain a little bit why? Yes, we we've uh a number of the people that are up there presently and I can't tell you I I know that two to four of them want to be there. Yeah. So, uh, we're going to be building and we will probably be doing that ourselves. Okay. We will be building the houses up there ourselves for them. Um and then uh you know at some point if you know nobody else steps forward and wants to um live up there then we will probably open it up to other people or you know maybe they will buy a certain number of them for people in the future. We haven't we haven't really had those discussions as to how that would work out, but uh there's only 10 of them. So, I would think that they would probably go fairly rapidly um with the number of people in the church and in the community, that type of thing. Um, so you know that that's set aside for the people uh that have lived up there in the past and living up there presently. uh you know so yeah I totally understand the the significance and the the of the area there and and we have people that would like to be up

there that would like to be up there with their church with their community and with their history and of course so yep okay thank you that that explains that I think one other comment I heard was is about road with and and uh I'll just throw in my two cents when it comes the road width. The reason why we want to make sure roads are wide enough uh where it could allow for ample parking on both sides of the road is we've run into a significant number of issues here in the city where uh I guess some of our past practices allowed parking maybe on only one side of the road. Um and and we've even seen it where we have a road narrow enough that there's no parking allowed. And the problem is in today's age with multiple drivers at home, with visitors coming over for holidays, we start running into issues where people complain to the city that they don't have a legal place for their guests to park. So, um, it's it's an unattainable and unrealistic scenario that we run into. And and so I think that's something you want to make sure you factor in there. Um, but uh, I mean, I can't think of anything at this point. I mean, um, uh, certainly understand, uh, the past ordinances that occurred, uh, in this area with the the historic designation as well. So, that's all I got to say now. Thank you, uh, Miss Hman. Yes. Good afternoon. I just wanted to share some words on behalf of the family. I thank you so much for putting this meeting together this evening. That means everything to us. Um, I am speaking on behalf of the Frraasier, the Thompson families, the families that have been there, the families that are deep in generational roots of this community and this land, this historically black community that has been suffered quite some time. So, we are coming to you

asking for your expedited support. We're asking for this because this project has been in the years for years in the making and unfortunately these years have not been kind and time has continued to move forward but progress has not. And our senior family members, those who have carried the burdens, made the sacrifices and laid the foundation are aging like Mother Frasier, like Ronnie Frasier. And it is our sincere hope that they will have the opportunity to see in their lifetime the fruit of their labor and their legacy. So this community has waited long enough. We have toyed with this long enough. And it's time for healing. It's time for growth. It's time for investment. And it's time for the city of Wildwood to help us move from delay to delivery. We are not asking just for approval. We're asking for your partnership. We're asking for your building opportunity and we're asking for your urgency and we're asking for your compassion. We're hoping to count on all of your support in bringing this long, long overdue vision to life. On behalf of our families, we say thank you for your understanding and your expeditious decisions of moving forward. Thank you. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. And I understand I understand what you're going through. Yes. Um are there any other comments or questions from the commission or committee? If I could. Uh Mr. Chair, this is Mike Faulner again. Travis, if you could put that if you could put the Wildwood side back up again. I wanted to just point out something so the mayor could see it is if you would hone in on the south um the eastern side where we connect over towards uh the Chesterfield side

if you can kind of zoom in on that. You can see Mr. Mayor that the 15,000 square foot designation does not exist there. So those are all going to be uh halfacre lots. Okay, thank you for the clarity. That's that's what I I'm glad you you your answer uh uh cleared up uh you know just the concern of the differences. I I noticed here it didn't have it. That's why I was asking for a sheet if he had one for the Wildwood side that had all the square footages, but uh we'll we'll see that in due time. I'm sure. Yes, we're squared away. Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes, sir. Go ahead, Mr. V. failed. Well, thank you. Pardon the interruption. I failed to answer one of the mayor's questions. Um, generally speaking, the wild horse subdivision is zoned R1 1acre resident district with a PEU. So, in many ways, this proposal mirrors almost all of the villages in Wild Horse subdivision. And from that perspective would be from the department's perspective consistent. I would note one thing. I think over the years when St. Louis County was the jurisdiction, they often did a little trick to address the concerns of the Westland Acre residents. They would lot they would place some of the larger lots um next to it. So those lots on the west boundary, those are generally a little larger than most of the others in the subdivision. But as you can see from the proposal that's been submitted by the petitioner, many of the lots don't adjoin the boundary. They separate them from with common ground. So there is no common boundary line or property line with the new lots. Just wanted to let

you know and respond to your question, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I I think that's is just some of the questions we uh we get and uh I think there's there's definitely uh the historical significance the designation that you mentioned but you mentioning that this there's uh comparable I guess densities right is that what it is it's comparable to what's around there it it shows that it uh fits uh in line with the character there um because uh you know that's usually stuff we hear comes from folks. But if it if it aligns with what's existing, I think that's makes a good case. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. All right. If no one has anything else, um I want to thank everyone for their time. And can I get a motion to adjourn? Motion by Councilman Marshall. Is there a second? Second. Second by Mayor Garitano. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Any abstain? All right, we're ajourned. Thank you everyone. Mr. Chair, if you could just stick around for a few seconds afterwards. Thanks. Thank you everybody.