Development and Zoning Review Committee - Regular Meeting

wanted to be forthright. I am participating and I am here. I'm jealous cuz I'm having a bad hair life. Oh yeah, Rob, I forgot I'm not supposed to say have any hair jokes with you. My apologies. Yeah, damn it. Did I Did I really say that? I did. I was joking. Hey, Rob, you you got to watch those W six guys. I mean, you do. All right. So, are we good to get started? Yes, sir. So, I'd like to call this meeting to order. Uh, welcome everyone to the meet this meeting of the city's development and zoning review committee. At tonight's meeting, this interested party will introduce and provide a presentation on a development proposal that would be located within the city of Wildwood. Tonight's meeting provides this interested party the opportunity to propose a concept and then hear feedback from this committee which is composed of key city decision makers. One meeting is normally offered for this purpose. However, in certain instances, a second discussion may follow. It is important to note this concept this concept plan is in very preliminary and informal stages of the city's review process such as subject to changes if it proceeds to the normal to the formal submission process. The committee welcomes the public's attendance tonight via the Zoom webinar platform or streaming on YouTube. But given the preliminary and informal nature of the presentation, public comment is not being sought at this time. If the proposed development does proceed to the formal submission process, members of the public will have numerous opportunities to address the city's planning and zoning commission

and city council regarding it. At that time, the committee would like to thank you for your attendance to at tonight's meeting. Um, can I get a roll call of commission members, please? Yes, sir. Council member Bockard present. Council member Rambo here. Council member Marshall present. Mayor Garitano present. And Cher Batty here. Thank you all. Hey Travis, I'm sorry. Um my video is taking up most of the screen and you guys are these little bitty um uh cameo things up in the corner. What am I doing wrong? I've never Are you on an iPad? Yeah, now I'm on an I'm on a um a Mac. Okay. So, in the upper right hand corner, towards the upper right hand corner, there's a button that says view. Yeah. And I tried that, but it didn't work. That's kind of my complaint. So, if you click that, you should have the option to do the gallery view. Okay. Um I'm in the gallery view right now. Well, I'll just live with it. I I mean I I was just um um I'm familiar with the plans and there were only two slides of plans. So um I don't think he's started displaying the plans yet. Yeah. So yeah, because all I see is the participants right now. Okay. Myself. Yeah. No, what I'm suggesting is my face is my mug is dead center. Oh. And zoomed and everybody else is this tiny little um uh wallet sized photo in the corner. Well, that's what that's what I did. Yeah. If you can't toggle the zoom to a different view from your side of things, I I can't modify your view yet. All right. I was looking for technical advice, but um uh go ahead. Sounds like you've already tried what I would recommend. Yeah. Sorry. All right. Uh Mr. Vunich, do you have any opening comments? Thank

you, Mr. Chair. And to the members of the committee, thanks for coming tonight. We do appreciate you taking on this extra assignment. We never take that for granted. So, thank you very much. And tonight, the department has provided to you several items in support of this discussion. Some of which came from the petitioner in this case, the indiv the individual entity wanting to consider developing these two parcels of ground. The information that's been provided is obviously the agenda, but also the bylaws in association with the development and zoning review committee if there are any questions about authorities, roles, responsibilities, etc. Mr. Newberry also included in the packet the section from the subdivision and development regulations relating to large lot single family subdivisions in the NU non- urban resident district which is descriptive of this particular project and then finally the petitioner has provided you aial photography of the general location of the site which is two parcels of ground and then two concepts two renderings of the concept and then finally some photographs of the type of dwellings and interiors that you can expect if the project moves forward. So that's the packet for tonight's discussion and from Mr. Newberry and I's perspective. We did meet with Lombardo Homes early on about this particular project and advised them that it would be in their best interest to participate in the development and zoning review committee process. So all of you as the ward representatives, the chair of the planning and zoning commission, the council leazison is on to the planning and zoning commission and mayor Garitano could have an opportunity to provide

feedback if there's any questions about the process or the information. Mr. Dubberry and I'd be glad to answer them at this time. And thank you. Thank you, Mr. Vunich. I have a cat that wants attention at the moment. If the cat has a question, I'll be glad to try. Um, but all right. Uh, thanks for coming, Mr. Falner. Uh, would you like to give us your presentation? And you are mute. Muted. Hopefully you can hear me now. Yep. Yeah. Loud and clear now. Good. Sorry. Yeah. Actually, I thought Doug Nance or uh someone from Lombardo was going to be making the presentation, but I noticed that they're not on here. Yeah. Yeah. We only have three in attendance and the name don't look familiar. Mr. Faulner, can you see the other attendees names? Are any of them individuals that might be affiliated with Lombardo Holmes? No, I don't see any of them. Okay. It's I don't know what. J Sher Shrewer. Yeah. Jeffrey Sherer. Yeah. Okay. We can promote him in. And then one of the other individuals is a a neighboring property owner. Okay. Yeah. Jeffrey just I think is trying to get on. Okay. Yep. I just sent him a prompt, but he's coming on in.

Mr. Faulner, ask and you shall receive. Yeah, that's great. Hi guys. Welcome in. Hi Jeffrey. Uh my name is Jeff Shreer. I'm an engineer for Lombardo Homes. Um we have this those two tracks under contract and as Joe has um said, we have met with the city and we would like to do threeacre lots on on that site and I guess Travis, are you changing screens or do I have a way to? Yes, just let me know when you're ready. So um there are some you know street views. We do not plan on disturbing anything um south of the creek there. So everything that we uh all the lots there will be in that open area field. So you can go to the next one keep going. So this is kind of the picture I put in green where the trees are. And I guess if you I don't know if you're able to zoom in Travis to the one to the third or fourth lot. Um that's the only there's only I would say less than a half acre of trees that we have to clear. Uh we want to put in a parallel road next to highway T. Um so it would be two entrances onto the MDOT highway or St. Albvin's road private drive and just serve those um 16 3acre lots. uh we will buffer and try to screen from the road our homes as much as possible. I think we show that um between the road and highway T. I think the you know one of the main requests that we have is I know there's a requirement because of 16 lots to do a centralized sewer system and we are

planning on bringing um potable water from Missouri American water. It's It's not a mile away, but it's darn close. About 4,000 ft. Um, from Wild Horse Creek Road and Highway 100 all the way to this site. A 12-in main is what they're saying we have to do. Uh, and bring it all the way across this site and deadend it on our west on the west side of this development. And with bringing the potable water here, we was ask we would like to ask for a variance where we can do individual septic systems. Uh the next slide is really just a more of an animated slide kind of showing oh back one how you know where we want to keep the homes up away from the creek and tree line. Um, and then all of these homes will be side entry. Uh, we kind of feel like they'll start in the low 800s and probably transact at 1.2 or above. Um, when it's all said and done. And then the next couple of slides, which it looks like they're kind of small, but they're all just go through these travels. Yeah. And these this is Doug Dance here at Lombardo Homes here as well. Uh we've done half a dozen not half a doz probably a dozen homes uh with our on your lot division in Wildwood and these are similar to those homes that we've done u within the city as well.

And they'll range anywhere in square foot from 20 2800 square foot to anywhere north of 5,000 square foot depending on the different options that you put in um on them. So I like that patio. We are a unique a unique builder. Uh we're a custom home builder in in a way that we have um two models or two series of homes that we will be offering here our larger estate, you know, homes. But we will allow a customer to, you know, if they want to add four feet to the side of the house or four feet to the depth or if they want to move uh the bathroom from this location to another location, we will do that for the potential buyer. Custom elevations they want to deal with. As someone who would have loved to get four feet on my garage, I appreciate that. Well, I have seen a lot of things in garages up to six cars and detached garages. Yeah. four foot here and four foot there. And so I really we don't have much more to say if we have get here to answer any questions. Um well, thank you. Uh does the commission have any questions? Uh can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't raise my hand. Do you want me to do that? Uh you can go ahead Rob or Councilman Rambod. Okay. Um yeah. So, uh um uh it's great that you are leaving the hillsides undisturbed. Um that's uh partially of necessity, I'm sure, because you don't want to cross the creek, but that works for us or certainly works for me. My questions

concern the uh details on the burm that you're hoping to put up because that's been since time in memorial since it was an Indian path that has always been open there where you could see from you know the the what is now St. Alburn's road or or T highway off to the south to the hillside. Well, you got to give that up. But I'm wondering how much um how much uh of that view you're going to block. Are you going to try to completely hide the houses behind something? Cuz that might be a monstrosity. Um and it shows a lot of landscaping. I'm sure you're going to it's going to be pretty well done. But the concern for me is not the view from the homes to the highway. The concern for me is the view from the highway to the homes. And so can you can you just uh speak to the details of that, please? Well, we were not planning on building any burm. The everything slopes from Highway T down to the creek. So, we want to try to use that as much as possible with the storm water so that we can keep everything in swelles on each lot line that goes to the creek. So, I mean, okay. So, so I'm sorry. So, I miss I it was hard to see on your your your plans that you submitted were simplistic and I understand that, but it was it looked like you were doing some sort of landscaping. Um, uh, what about the the trees and stuff that you're So, yeah, we we showed a typical landscape buffer that we typically do and some of our developments, but that's totally up to I mean, it's a negotiation. I mean, okay. I mean, if you all wanted something less and want more view, we could definitely take out some of that. I mean, it's usually Green Giants, uh, maples, oaks, uh, and evergreens that we put in those buffers. Um, but we could scale that back if that's what you all were looking for something less. Usually, I'm just we're just kind of used to seeing with

the landscape packages why we do that is what we've seen in other municipalities wanting, but we can scale that back as much as you would like. No, no, this is this is just me talking, but I'm um my concern with developments typically is um the reality that I don't care what the folks have to look at internal to the subdivision. I just want to minimize the visual and other impacts for the existing residents. That's what I'm probing here. And um uh if you're doing some you know landscaping that's individualized on a perl lot basis and it doesn't look um regular because 16 um similar similarly sized similar elevation homes right there in a row 200 feet apart that stretches for quite a ways and that's going to be quite an an impact and I'm just kind of trying to look ahead because I'm familiar with the complaints that residents make once they get wind of a particular development and and um so so I I don't I don't I I guess it sounds like it's too preliminary for you to provide any details on that, but just be aware that's going to be a big hot button. Yeah, if we move forward, we can do some 3D renderings of that with the homes in the background from the street of what that looks like. Um so that you all have a better view of that. And then also every home we have a monotony rule so no home can look the same next to each other. So, we try to break all the homes up so they all look different. That's great news. Uh, they're expensive homes and people, the people that want to buy them are probably not going to be looking for a cookie cutter type of a solution either, but so co have you considered varying the distance from the road a little bit just so that it's they're kind of I'm not saying staggered one close, one far, one close, one far. I'm saying some sort of a variation there so it doesn't look quite as reg regular like soldiers

lining up. Yeah, I mean yeah, we can look at that. Uh some of it will have to do with the individual septic fields and where the how far the house has to be from them. So once we get in, we think next week we're doing some testing uh which we'll know more about the septics and with the soils test that we're going to be doing and based off that we can start to do maybe some preliminary layouts of where that septic field can go and idea of what the where the house can go. Just know like if the sepic field is behind the house depending on how many bedrooms that field can grow. So that house might need to flex a little bit. Uh, I think that's that's been bottomland for eons. So, you can put the septic fields wherever the heck you want, I'm sure. And it looks like the the lots are pretty skinny. Most of them are only 200 feet wide. Um, and um, I'm looking for I guess I'm looking for a little more variance in the appearance. Um, and I think that's really doable and really cheap. I think we'll probably talk a lot about the septic systems as time goes on because um uh 16 individual ones right there by that creek um very close together might be problematic. But there's um a recent development that I think we insisted on or that we um um uh approved with shared septic systems like two homes share a septic field or you know there there's solutions like that. you're going to have to do a bunch of that work uh with us, too, because um 16 septic fields uh right there will be a non-starter for the neighbors. And we've already had um uh trouble with not trouble, we've had complaints from those folks about a um a commercial facility, a greenhouse that's pretty close to where you you guys are trying to build. and um those neighbors are already well

organized and and there will be resistance to this project no matter what you do. But the um the the the things that I'm suggesting are complaints that I typic that we typically hear later in the process. So I'm trying to help you guys out a little bit. Oh, we appreciate it. Um one question I had is how what's the total acreage of the these parcels? the the total tract is about 55 acres. Okay. And so six you said 16 homes, correct? So that's a little over three acres a lot. It's about 3.4 acres a lot, but we have Okay. We we left a little bit of common ground on the western edge. Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. And and some parking. Is that for people to explore the common ground or is it just supplemental parking? It looked like there were like three spots there near your common ground. So I mean unless Wildwood is different, we have had no luck with the post office allowing individual mailboxes that we have on for just so you don't have to park on the road block it. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. So they really are mandating communal mailboxes everywhere now, aren't they? For doesn't matter what size lot you build. Mhm. and we've not had success changing that. Um, are there any more questions from the commission? Yeah. Uh, thank you, Chair Batty. It's Joe Geritano. How are you? Can you hear me? Yeah, I I'm doing I assume you were at talking to them, but I'm doing No, no, no. I'm good. Yeah, I think the one comment I would say is I think just have conversations with Director Vunage in the department. um especially when I was listening about

the comments regarding the uh you know their septic systems because uh we you know the department has had experience in in addressing that and then you know whatever concerns people bring up we've also have um you know as recently uh another development in ward one where I think they were looking to uh get a uh a variance to put in a uh more um I guess uh director vanish what what do they call that the kind of centralized system centralized wastewater treatment plant okay so so I think yeah the department uh will probably have some thoughts around that uh how you can uh make that work thank you mayor um anyone else have any comments? No, I disagree with the sewer. The whole sewer issue I think is going to be especially the neighborhood um because there's been flooding in the creek behind there. So, I think that that will be something if you come back with a really good plan on how you're going to handle that. Um that will take away some of those concerns. So, and I while we're on the subject of the creek, I assume it still still drops off enough behind the houses that flooding won't be an issue back there. Well, the plan does have on I I did show on the plan there is a little bit of flood plan on the very western portion which is where the common ground lot is. Okay. And Mr. Chair, we verified that we being the city, we took a look at the our maps from FEMA and as Mr. Newberry is showing

that Hatchard area is the 100redyear flood plane. Okay, great. But the majority of it, as the gentleman mentioned, is um compassed in the common ground area. Yeah. Yeah. If you can pan back up towards Highway T a little bit. I are I let's I'm just reading trying to read the contour map there. Are those are those two foot contours? It looks like those are those are two foot contours. Okay. Um so one, two, so it most of it sits a good 10 feet above her. So the flood plane. Yeah. Well, that's that's last year's hundred-year flood plane. this this year's right getting worse every year but but 10 feet is gives us a lot of freeboard um but those folks are going to have some wet backyards over time they just are yeah I'm assuming this will be similar to some of the homes along on road as you get closer to BA again Mr. chair. They provided photographs of the type of dwellings that they've been and I'm just referring to the topography of the lots. Oh, pardon me. Yeah. Um, yeah, because I know they've built a few homes in that uh creek valley along Pond Road and pretty wide valley and I assume there there have not been any issues along there. No, we actually we apply a pretty stringent standard. We required two feet of freeboard from the low sill itself. And so that's a standard that's about a foot greater than what county requires. And during the 1993 flood, that one foot of

freeboard basically kept everybody dry. So it's a good standard. And Mr. Brown, our flood plane manager, does a good job. Sounds good. Thank you. Well, if um no one else has any questions, um I'd like to thank Did someone say something? All right. Yeah. If if no one else has any questions, I'd like to thank everyone for their time. Um to um Mr. Shore and uh Mr. Faulner and I forgot uh Doug Nance and Mr. Nance, I appreciate your interest in the city and look forward to seeing what you have when it comes before planning and zoning and if potentially city council. Thank you. Yep. Thank you, Lombardo team. Look forward to working with you guys. All right. So, can I get a motion to adjurnn? I'll make that motion. All right. Second. A second. All right. Got a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I.................... Any opposed. Any abstain? All right. Thanks everyone. Thanks guys. Bye.