Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

like six and under that'll be six. Good. Let's go. All right. I'm going to call the meeting of the architectural review board for January 8th, 2026 to order and ask the staff if you would call the role, please. Member Jones. Chair Lovely here. Secretary Ritter present. Member Parsons here. Alternate Bartles Meer here. Alternate Roman. Council member Leazison Nyam here. And we have everyone.

Have everyone. This is the first time I think we've had everyone in quite a while. All right. Um the first thing we have on the agenda is the approval of the minutes of the November 13th meeting which were in your packets and a motion would be in order to accept the minutes of the November 13th meeting. I move person moves. Is there a second? I'll second. Second. All those in favor say I.

I. Okay. The eyes have it. Um there Oh, I should have asked any corrections or amendments. Um the agenda, we just have the one item tonight that I'm aware of and um uh if there are any changes to the agenda that anyone knows of. If not, we will proceed. Uh the first we'll ask the Oh, are there any public comments? That's the opportunity for public comments and nothing online or whatever. Few individuals online if they would like to make comment they can use the raise hand feature

and not necessarily for the purpose of the case tonight but on other other items if you have comments online if you're online has you have a you have a raised hand

go ahead council member McCutchen yeah I just wanted to note a couple of inconsistencies that I saw in the report. Um I know Mr. Vonage is aware of one of one of them. Um on the first page of um the point of Bright Leaf description, I guess you'd call it, it says 130 homes or lots instead of 30. There's 30 in parenthesis, but 130 typed. Yeah. And then color in color. It's not in color. Yeah. [clears throat] We have a sheet here that has a color imagery of the uh the map.

Oh, yes. But it's right above that. It's in the written description. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. And then um there's one other there is um misspelling um in the ordinance 1 2 3 4 5 six paragraph down. Um it and it's one two three four. The fourth line is set the route should be R O U T. Thank you, ma'am. Yep. Thank you. All right. Any other public comments not associated with the case tonight? Nothing. Anything there?

Uh, Mr. Chair, I don't see any other. Okay. Uh, then let's proceed to uh any old business. Being none, we'll move to new business and ask the staff if you would to read in the case, please. First item tonight, Mr. Chair, as well as the only item, the point of Bright Leaf, 17100, 17130, and 17150 Taylor Road and 2346 State Route 109. A preliminary review of plans for six home options to be available within the Point at Brightleaf subdivision, a new 30 lot subdivision within the town center. This particular development is located in Ward 5. Thank you.

Thank you. And want to go initially to any comments from the staff in terms of introducing the plan and the applicants.

Mr. Chair, members of the board, I'm just going to give a brief introduction of why we're here tonight and then I'm going to turn it over to Director Bunich for some additional comments and we'll turn it over to the applicant um to review their their plans. uh with us. Uh so the agenda item tonight is a preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings, and floor plans for six styles of detached single family homes to be available in the point at brightleaf subdivision along with multiple elevations and various options for each. Uh the point at Brightleaf is intended to be a complimentary expansion of an existing development, the villages at Brightleaf and it is comprised of 30 lots. Um as you can see here on the northwestern corner of the intersection of Highway 100 and Highway 109 within the Wildwood Town Center. Uh the lot is zoned R4 7500 square foot residence district with a planned residential development overlay district associated with it. Ordinance uh 2879. Uh it is 8.3 acres in overall size and uh as noted it is in the town center and it is in the neighborhood general district in W five. Again, uh there are six styles of single family uh dwellings that will be reviewed with you this evening. Uh this is a preliminary review. We're not looking for an action from you. any comments that you have can be shared with staff and folded in with our comments and uh we can take action at the next meeting um as the applicant has an opportunity to take those comments and uh develop a

final presentation for you. Uh if you have any questions at this time uh director and I are available to answer them otherwise I'm just hand it over to Director Vunich for some history of the site. DNR. Are there any questions from the board members? Otherwise, I'll be very brief. Mr. Chair, I think it's nice to have a context. This particular property since approximately the mid1 1980s was owned by St. Luke's. St. Luke's over that course of time before the city of Wildwood had several zoning actions on it. One involved having a urgent care center and then that kind of grow grew into actually a a 23-hour surgery center with beds and offices for uh health care professionals. Obviously, neither of those proceeded forward and then for many years the property just sat idle with not really much interest. Over the course of those years, there was always someone that would come in and say, "I'm thinking about contacting St. Luke's. What does the town center plan accommodate this property?" Originally, for the first 10 plus years, it was intended to be commercial. That's how Andre Dwani and his team that were the consultants to our town center plan viewed that intersection of State Route 100 and State Route 109. more of a commercial component, not necessarily residential. What kind of changed that was when the city did improvements to State Route 109, added the roundabout at the interchange with Route 100. We for all intents and purposes closed access to the property, which meant now access came from Taylor Road, Taylor Road

extension through the villages at Brightleaf or that access point on Route 109 by Hickory Manor. Planning wise, you really don't want to introduce commercial traffic into an established residential neighborhood. So thereafter, when we updated the town center plan in 2018, we actually changed the designation from commercial, a workplace district, to what it is today, a residential set of categories. Thereafter, Fisher Fricto began the process of working through the zoning process, site development plan, and all of the things that go along with it. The site has a grading permit, so grading has occurred at the began in I believe late October through November. We are working on a couple of other items besides the architectural elevations. There'll be a display trailer out at the site, I assume, here in the next few weeks. so that sales can start and then we'll begin the planning process which will work through the that work through that process with our city council. Um the majority of the units will mirror what is in village E of the villages at Brightley. Those are the smaller units. They're maintenancefree units relative to the the grounds etc. and they are intended for a certain clientele. Part of the zoning process, Mr. Marshall and Miss Puchin, who represent this particular ward where this property is located, asked that the density be reduced. and taking that as an opportunity, Fisher Fal added some more craftsman style houses, a little different variation and really kind of set it off, I think, offering two types

of homes to two types of different buyers. So, from that perspective, we were pretty excited that we took something that from their perspective probably wasn't something they'd like to do. I think we made project even better by adding those two different types and they'll explain them to you as part of their presentation. So again, we have a long history here, but this is actually the first development that's occurred on it since the original residence was removed, and it's been by vacant or idol since then. So kind of exciting. As you know, there's a lot of residential activity in Town Center. There's the point, I believe, 30 units. There's Kelly Homes, the Reserve, which we've been looking at their units for the last several months. 115 prestige homes on West Avenue. They have 11 UN custom homes at the end of West Avenue, 16. So, there's just a lot of activity in Town Center and you'll be seeing a lot of those dwellings here in the next few months as we work toward late spring summer construction season. So, with that, I'll conclude. I appreciate your attention. If there's any questions about the history or how we got here, Robin and I'd be glad to address him at this time. And Mr. Marshall's been tagging along for years and years. He probably knows more than any of us, but

So, thank you. Okay. Any question? Go ahead. I had one. Is there going to be an HOA involved in in this? Yeah. And my understanding, it's to be separate from the villages of Brightley. So they're not going to kind of make this the [clears throat] the sixth village, so to speak. Well, thank you. Any questions at this point?

No. You to tell us tell us more. [clears throat] Uh good evening. Uh my name is Chris Dance. Um I've been uh working on this project uh it seems like for almost five or six years. Um, but, uh, you know, as Joe mentioned, uh, from the get-go, this project has really been an extension of the villages of Bright Leaf, um, which we built, um, beginning in 2018 and, um, [clears throat] you know, recently completed and, uh, is, uh, always been intended to complement that property and that project in all respects in terms of how the streets are laid out, how the roads work, how we treat Taylor Road, how we um you know continue the housing type and architecture that's included within that neighborhood, the landscaping, the city standards, the town center standards. So, all of that has been worked through. It's all part of our ordinance. Um it's part of our improvement plans. So really when it comes to the architecture and bits themselves, again, we're we're a continuation of of the products that we offer there with the addition of of of a few of the larger homes that Joe mentioned and is is preamble. Um, and so really, you know, I'll turn it over to Chris here in a minute and we can go through each of the models, but um, four of the six models are already models that we built within, um, the villages of Bright Leaf right across the street. So, these will be continuation. they meet all of the requirements of the attachment A relative to the materials and the the setbacks and offsets for porches, garages, um all all of the

items that are required by the city as we gone have gone through the process. In addition, the two new models, they also meet those same requirements in terms of the projecting porches, um the roofs, the materials, the fiber cement siding, all of that. So, having said that, I you know, the takeaway is again, it's a continuation. We want to be cohesive with the neighborhood. It's not something different. Um, and it really is just a a completion of that entire corner, something that's already been a huge success. I mentioned the public space. I think you did a really nice job with

Yeah. So, one, you know, from um is it possible to bring our plan up there? you [clears throat] know, again, really not an architectural item, but more of a planning item. Um, you know, we didn't want to have houses fronting on the Taylor Road. Um, we were very cognizant of sort of the street, you know, kind of a new urbanism, uh, street pattern. um and the way that the property falls, we created uh the the the point space down at the corner um where there is uh you know that's where the storm water will go. But instead of including a storm water basin that was maybe a an issue from a maintenance standpoint, we created a lake there. There's a fountain. The fountain [clears throat] will help with um ambient noise in the neighborhood. There's a considerable amount of landscaping. Um there's a landscape plan that's that's included. So it's very robust. Um all the houses back to common ground or common ground strips. Um those areas will be irrigated and landscaped. Um, so we're we're creating a very upscale uh environment here and one that uh tries to um you know blend itself into the planning concepts that we already had with Bright Leaf. All the all the houses will side onto the road. There's a very nice buffer that will be um completing along Taylor Lo Road. Taylor Road is being expanded, adding curb and gutter along the length of it on our side, city sidewalks down to um the trail all the way to the north. Um all the city uh street lighting standards and so forth. So, uh you know, it's a process. It takes a while to get it all put together. Um, and at the end I think we'll have what seemed like a very seamless neighborhood

in the whole context of of that corner. And Mr. Chair, we Fisher Fryto's concurrence and the efforts of Mr. Marshall and Miss McCutchen, we integrated all of the new lots with existing pedestrian connections around them. So, as Chris mentioned, we have sidewalks along Taylor Road, but we also brought the trail into the project around the lake space. U there's access off the trail into the development and then gives public sidewalks. So, it's really just gonna complement what's already out there in terms of our Wildwood Greenway corridor, which is obviously what our city council wants and I think in the end makes Wildwood kind of unique how we treat connectivity makes hikers, walkers, runners, etc. So, Mr. Fry did a really nice job of coordinating all that.

So, bikers, walkers can go down around the pond. the which I think will be a nice amenity. Mr. How's that questions or comments? Go ahead.

Yeah, I'll just continue on and just jump in here. So I mean I you know um again the first four models um we have the Ashland we have a Highland those are both ranch models um or one story models. Now, in terms of this site, there's a number of walkout lots um that allow for finish floor levels or elevated screen porches, all of those kind of things. So, the Ashland um is the slightly smaller ranch model in terms of the elevation. We're, you know, there's all of our materials are noted in the back, but again, we're starting from the street. We're elevating the porches to meet the city standard. The porches are all projecting. Um, they're all carriage style architectural doors, James Hardy 5% siding, 5 trim, architectural shingles. Um, the vent stacks will be painted them to match the roof color. Um, window grills per the city's requirements. um all all of the things that are are required [clears throat] um a continuation of what we had at Bright Leaf. So, we're very well aware of those. Um and they're all they're all provided here. Am

I correct? There's no base, right? These are all bas Okay. Unfinished though. Yeah. Yeah. based on customer selection. Sure. Unfinished standard, but we offer a number of finished lower level options.

Yeah. I mean, that's one of our hallmarks is that um you know, the customer uh can choose what how they want to do. We we make uh customization. Almost in all cases there there may be certain upgrades that people will do. Typically on the outsides, we don't allow a lot of that in a planned community like this, but there may be somebody that may want to a stone or something like that where we'll we'll change out a brick base on a column to be stone, but again, that's a mason it's a masonry for masonry change. And so, um, those are all contemplated in our proposed materials. You know, we'll have a standardized stone that they can upgrade to

and occasionally people will want to add more masonry to a different elevation. Um our our general rule of thumb is as Chris said in a plan community we typically don't allow people to remove masonry but if they want to add additional masonry then that's usually something that we'll entertain.

I'm just curious to help me visualize so what is this like you said the small the ranch is the smallest and then it looks like there's a bigger model one of the newer ones maybe one of the newer plans. So square footage wise like how smallest to largest like what's the range? So, the Ashland is the smallest that comes in at about 1,400. And then, uh, the largest ranch that we offer will be the Whiteall. Um, that practically speaking, that comes in at a little over 1,800. If you look at the floor plan on the Whiteall, there's a little corner that's taken out of it, but we almost never build it that way. Everyone almost always includes that corner. So, it effectively it ends up at about 1,800 ft. So, the ranches are in that range.

And when they finish the lower level with another bedroom, they're usually all around 21 two feet. And then we have two story and a halfs. Okay. The uh the Fairfax, I think the Fairfax is about 2,200 and I believe the Parker is about 2400. And then we do have the one twotory, the Radford, we sold one of those in Bright Leaf. Um but we always like to offer a twotory just in case we have that family buyer. Uh and that comes in right at about 2200 feet as well. [clears throat] What's the uh price point from low end to high end?

Yeah, I mean we we haven't really set pricing yet, so it's not really something that um we have a nailed down exact price point, you know, but I would say, you know, early on that same type of question came up. You know, I think we're going to be starting in the high 400s, maybe the low 500s. Um and um you know it really depends on how everything shakes out you know with our development costs and you know but right now that's where there's a great story about as they finished off village village E the amenities people kept adding some of those I think you told me Chris room 700,000

yeah I mean the last few houses that we built um in Bright Leaf and the Billigy some of them were in the high 700s, you know, as they really upgraded a lot and and that's not atypical just that's not just a location thing. I mean, I think there's um it's a unique buyer profile and that was a unique time too. That was kind of um the housing market got really extremely hot right there for a while and right when we were ending. So, you know, it's it's all driven by market conditions, but um you know, today's buyers are definitely want more things. Um and there's more things available relative to everything from like appliances to lighting and and um it's hard for people to say no anymore, you know. So,

yeah. Doesn't that seem a little high? It's $250 a square foot. It may. I know it does. It seems that way. But um I mean my house is that in terms of appraisals and everything else, it all comes in and 1,800 square feet is Yeah. I mean it is not unusual at all for us to see that creeping.

I mean, Alex, you might know, but yeah, I think it it's not atypical for some, you know, sometimes you have an all cash buyer or you have you have predominantly cash buyers. So they're they're coming out of a situation where they want they want something like this that's going to be maintenancefree. They want it. they would they may have other homes in other parts of the country and um you know this is the maintenancefree aspect of it is appealing to them they can leave everything's taken care of but they want it the way they want so it's not atypical is there any plans to do anything at the intersection of 109 and Taylor

um on the north end actually no um some of the improvements were done as part of the city's route 109 project. There is a full two lanes of width from Route 109 on Taylor Road south into the point and the villages at Brightley. Um we're going to add the sidewalk and or actually it's going to end up being a trail extension, but other than that on the east side there's already improvements from Hickory Manor and Sandlewood and the villages at Brightleaf. So, what you'll see more is just the trail improvements, pedestrian improvements, and then probably some storm water improvements just to make the trail work.

It's that entrance. It'll it'll remain that way. Yeah. I mean, we did a we did a full traffic analysis and so that was part of the zoning and planning process, but the way that really operates is that there is a full there is a turn lane to turn in there, but anybody leaving will have to exit right, go down to the roundabout where there's free traffic flow, and if they were wanting to go south, they'll have to go north first to go to the roundabout. And so that kind of interchange and that connectivity, those improvements that are already there help with the flow and the turning movements and everything else. That's my intersection. Yeah, that's not the way it really works there. So,

well, I understand it's going to be a problem at a certain 30 people into 30 homes into that, it's going to be a problem. Yeah. Well, I hate to disagree, Miss Jones, but Rick Brown, our PTOE, our director of public works, reviewed that traffic study thoroughly, and if there were required improvements, we would have asked for them because we can credit their traffic generation assessment fee through those off-site improvements if they're necessary. But we're pretty confident it will work.

These are all generally kind of falling along. the common ground I imagine it's all being handled by the HOA but yes sir the pictures are showing nice lawns uh but how much of lawn is there and are the individual owners maintaining that or is that going to be all again it's a common HOA there's uh common grounds maintenance and individual maintenance so there's irrigation on every lot that's required landscaping and then that's all maintained by the HOA [clears throat]

So I mean I we we could go through each elevation. I think we have continued a consistent style um elevation a on almost all of them. We use a more of a ford and batten look with a lot of dental molding and um uh bipon trim details and it really kind of has more of a more of a farmhouse kind of look. Um elevation B is sort of a blend of that with some craftsman elements and a little bit more masonry. Um and then elevation C is more of a a true craftsman kind of look. Still again a lot more masonry. um a lot more trim details. Um we have some example photos. It's probably a little hard to see up here because they kind of get washed out, but if you look at the streetscape that's already there in villages of Bright Leaf, uh, and Village E, what you'll really kind of see, and the takeaway is there's a there's a lot of, uh, you know, with the projecting porches and the different roof elements and the the different gables, it's not boxy in any way. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of articulation. Then when you couple it with the landscaping and the street trees and the city's um you know the vertical curbs and everything that we have there, it really I think it hits the mark with what the city wanted in terms of town center and a lot more articulation and again we're we're carrying that same theme forward. [clears throat] Um the bottom two photographs and the far left [snorts] one kind of show the newer models which um they're a little bit wider so you get a little bit more front porch to them instead of the porches being more uh they're on on the the narrower product it the porches are more deep and on on these they're wider. Okay. So you get a

little bit more of a front window that kind of thing. So, so are the wider ones only offered on certain lots? Yes. Um, the perimeter lots. Those are the ones that that say B. Is that um they probably do say B on the site development, correct? So, they're the perimeter lots.

Okay. And then the interior block is um and again there one of the major differences between that and maybe the villages of Bright Leaf is that you have a little bit more longer stretches of of houses um than what's there. And here we're only going to have four houses that are you know in a in a stretch uh in that interior block. So it's a it's a pretty short block. While we're on the streetscape, uh it's probably a good time to mention uh one of the only other differences that we are uh implementing from the original Brightleaf project. Uh in the original Brightleaf project, we had a fixed color palette. We had like three different color palettes for our customers to choose from. Um I think Joe and Travis know very well that, you know, as we started to fill out that street, we started to run into some problems with duplication and, you know, people really wanting a certain elevation but not necessarily liking a certain color palette. Um, so I think that was a struggle for all of us to manage. Um, so going into this part of the project, we've elected to uh allow customers to make their own color selections um and not do a fixed palette. So,

but it's still within what we're proposing here, which is all earth colors and correct, you know, nothing too crazy, but it's um and you can see James Hardy's palette here, you know, on this page. I mean, you you guys see it, you probably, you know, see some of the newer homes that there's a lot more contrast being used. There's um some darker colors that

with the color technology that um manufacturers have come up with that they're more stable. They're more UV protected. Uh James Hardy um has really expanded their their selections to not just being the cobblestone and khaki gray that now they offer some darker colors and stuff so that um buyers are kind of gravitating towards that darker windows all those kind of things. Yeah. So that should help add some architectural character to the neighborhood as well and some variation. And from an outward visibility standpoint, it's going to add more character and uniqueness versus everything kind of having the same color on the back or the side.

I have just one question. Please go ahead. about the site location for twotory will that be restricted to certain lots only in terms of sites. So the interior lots will take that twotory model. Yeah, it won't be on the perimeter. [clears throat] Yeah, I know that that question kind of came up on our concern with and like Chris mentioned on the previous project, we had one we had one buyer that that purchased a twotory um it really doesn't fit the fire profile, but what we're trying to do is really adhere to the Fair Housing Act and um Housing and Urban Development. Completely agree with that. I I think the bigger concern were people seeing it, feeling that visually,

yes, it was going to look out of place. And I know you can't restrict it. I was just curious if it'd be uh would there be certain lots that if you want the twotory, it could be on the outside perimeter someplace where it wouldn't be so obvious from the plan. Can you go back? it it would really be in that inferior section. That's the that's the only place where we would allow that. So the the a lot and all 15 ft taller. Well, it's really just it's another story. So, um yeah, it's eight or nine feet taller. Yeah.

Plus in the roof, right? Sure. Thank you. How tall are the ceilings on the floor? They're 9 foot. That's with the Anything else? Any comments that we want the staff to kind of look at as they work with the developer on this? Trees are only around the exterior. There's nothing on any of the properties or they may be trees or small trees.

No, no. Every every lot will have a street tree as required. Okay. By the city's ordinance and then there is um uh then foundation plantings and landscape package that goes with each house, you know, on the front. Uh, and then like I said, um, there's might be easier for me to point. You have the landscape plan.

So, like the lots actually stop here and here. And then there's a common ground strip that goes through here as well that will be landscaped and then this will all be irrigated. So, that's just one of the things that we're trying to clean up. It's we've kind of learned over the years and various projects that you know we want them all to have this buffer. It gives everybody privacy and it just helps sell these in lots that back up to each other that they still have privacy and we can put that buffer on. But on the lots themselves there will be trees.

Then the lots themselves still have street trees. Yes. Joe, you kind of mentioned the the newer models. We can flip to those if you want to look at them. We can talk about some of those because again, those weren't built in the villages of Bright Leaf, but we've tried to bring them into conformance with these. So, if you flip to um the back back portion of the packet, it's the Parker and the Whiteall. So, starting with the Parker again, we kind of have more of a craftsman look. You can see that from the rendering. Tapered columns, um the window trims, um the brackets on the eaves, um just the way that the trim is detailed, the window grills. Um it's kind of a little washed out up there. Um but that's just, you know, that that's the nature of how we wanted to do that. Um we have a simpler uh farmhouse type uh look that's elevation one. Um then we go to the blended concept with a little more brick and the front railing and the front porch and elevation. um two and then uh it it jump it's it's labeled number five and six for us. That that's just how we label them because there's other ones that we're not offering here. But f five has more of the vertical board and batten sighting again to kind of tie into the the other uh designs that we've already built out there. Uh

and then the six is kind of the more craft true craftsman There's a lot of material complement there with the shake and the vertical for patent you see in the fill elevations as well. And then actually the elevation scheme on the white hall is exactly the same as the Parker. The Parker is essentially the White Hall. It just has a loft in the draw space. You get and you get daylight and stuff inside. Mr. Chair, I just have a curious question. Um, on two stories, is it typical now to have a laundry room on the second story?

Um, we'd like to try and offer it as an option. Um, if not presented standard. Um, I would say it's it's probably a 50-50 thing. Um, we see people who prefer a second one. We see people who like to have twoies. Um, sometimes they'll do just like a little stackable on the second floor and then have a larger like main laundry with the folding table on first. Uh, kind of like Chris said, that the buyers nowadays, I mean, you know, with with the internet and and the home shows and everything else, they they come to us with all kinds of creative um requests and, you know, they keep us on our toes for sure. Alex, the same for for the most part. Yes. Uh we basically like to just follow the owner suite pretty much.

That seems to be if you've got a true twotory with all bedrooms upstairs, usually put the laundry room upstairs. People don't like to haul all their laundry up and downstairs. Yeah. Or like I said, do a little stackable like off the master closet, you know, just just services the master. Oh yeah. Seen a number of different things like that. I'm lugging it to the basement. Huh? I like that idea. [laughter] Ours is on the second floor. And that's funny you say that because our neighbors was in the basement and my [laughter] son said ours was in the basement. Laundry never get

I'll tell you what, I just finished an addition on my house in Webster Groves and as a part of that, we brought the laundry up from the basement to the first floor. And it's probably my favorite part of the edition because going down into a 100-y old basement to do laundry is not fun. We love being an adult, [laughter] [gasps] the things we get excited about as adults. That goes all the way. Well, we used I was going to say you can't do that anymore. We used to do that. Um when I first started out, we had a lot of laundry shoots, but St. Louis County kind of put the kaibos on that because it's a fire chase. Not if I'm taking down springing up. [laughter] That's true. It's true. It's not the doing of the laundry, it's the putting away of the laundry. That's the trick.

Apparently, there's a way to still have that with a damper. It's It's got It's built It's a built-in damper. You open the door, the damper opens. All this contraption that I'm sure will break eventually, and then your laundry gets stuck in the wall. So, I will make it a point not to tell our design people. Yeah, exactly. But do we have any comments or other things? If not there any other public should ask space online with any public comments or questions. This is phase two. Uh well it's really not a it's just another it's a new project. I just saw phase three over in the corner of the plan. It said something about phase three. So I didn't know what's Where did you see that?

Oh here it says the villages phase three over here in this little part. So I didn't know. Oh, that was that's a reference to the plat that was for the original villages. So there's not going to be 30 more houses in this little way. No, no, no, no. I think that's you know that when you do the site development plan part of the you know you got to identify the adjoining properties and so that's just a um that that's a that's a note that's on part of the site development plan about you know how that property was created and what what its intent is. Okay. Just checking.

Yeah. I'm just going to see on the south side of the four units in the heart of the complex 13A, 12 A, 5A, and 4 A. Is there any more articulation on the side other than just the siding? Well, we could look I mean, we could look at the particular elevations. Um, well, I know there's going to be an occasional window there, right? You haven't seen

correct. Yeah, but you tend to have a lot more trees on that side than you would probably on the south side. You know, I think it really just depends on the model. I think you're going to have on those units, um, the garage will be on the high side of the lot, which means the porch will be on the side closest to that street. Okay, that long,

right? So, when you see that, you basically have the porches wrapping back. So they actually that's pretty unique that the porch will be wrapping back like that and you'll be able to sit there and not just feel like you're in a you know shotgun. You're going to have more of an open corner there. So I think that would be one articulation that we'll we'll be mindful of there. Um especially as the grade kind of transitions around those corners. We might have some railings and things like that that we'll have to incorporate. Are you putting your trailer up the like 1000 109 area? No. I mean, right now we're proposing the trailer to put it in the most inconvenient spot, [laughter]

but I mean it's I mean it's got to be out of our way to really do work, but so it would be down um on to the very northern end of the property. That's where there's electric right now that we can have access to. Um that's the area that's the closest to to grade. We only needed about a foot of dirt to be pushed off there. Um so um we have a a plan that we've presented to staff for that and that's where your first model will go.

I don't think we've decided that. No, I think that's just kind of where we're, you know, we we won't be looking to do the first model until we get a little further along with development. Um, we'll probably have to figure out where that can best go once we see how the lay of the land is once we get a little further. Mr. Chair, if I could, please.

Mr. Ritter, I looked up the governing ordinances along Taylor Road. They have to treat the side of the building the same as the front in terms of um trim, shutters, things like that. Anything that's on the front of the building has to be on the side. You also did it for route 109 and route 100 although I think it's really is applicable those internal units that you me mentioned it's really there's nothing in the ordinance that would require

thank you we will have street trees along that length [clears throat] of that street as Oh, anybody hear anything else? This is not for approval. It's simply for, you know, the opportunity to provide these comments. So, uh if there's nothing further, uh we can close that discussion. No action is needed and look to see if there anything else to the agenda that we're not open. Did you Joe?

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing me. Would be I think Miss Cus and I intend to have this back to you in February. Well, anticipate that we will have the February 12th meeting. Anything else for this evening's meeting? Not our next meeting will probably be Thursday, February 12th, assuming we have this back. Um, any closing remarks from anybody? for presenting this to us. We'll be seeing you again. Uh and I'll call for a motion to adjurnn.

Motion motion to adjurnn. Is there a second? See a second. All those seconded. All those in favor say I. I. I. Those oppos. The eyes have it. We are. Thank you. Thank you all. We appreciate it. Exciting.