City Council - public_hearing

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Very well, we're good. Very good. Yes, it's great. Thank you all for coming. We did our best to carry out an effective awareness in order to obtain a section as representative as possible of the community. This is the whole point of this process. So, my name is Alain Téframboy. I am a long-term urban planner for the city of Whitefish. Maria Butz is over there.

Raise your hand, Maria.

She is our director of parks and leisure for the city of Whitefish. And here is Jenny Bradford, right there. She is our specialist in special operations at Whitefish parks and resorts. It is mainly a project of parks and resorts. As a long-term urban planner, I do not know half of you, but many could recognize me because I am wearing Vision Whitefish 2045 and it was such a robust process that the parks wanted to make sure to have the same type of representation and community commitment for this one. If you have not signed the presence sheet, please do so. There are QR codes here and the reason is that we are going, the reason why I invited you today and what you received by mail, we want to explore if there is a community interest for a permanent scene at the depot park which could include or not rigid arrangements. So it's not about determining what it should look like or how to conceive it, it's clearly about knowing if there are returns from the community. If there is community support or whatever the level of interest, we will present it to the Council of Parks, which will give us the direction to follow and this would require the update of the Dépôt-Pas plan. Maria will talk to you more about it. At this stage, I will leave her the floor and she will give you all the context of what we are doing and why we are doing it. Oh, and sorry, then we will guide you through a real-time survey so that we can see here now what the general feeling is. And we have already received a lot of feedback by various means on the website, by email and everything else. So this is not the only channel. We receive opinions from others as well, but all this will be made public.

Thank you, Alain. Thank you all for coming tonight. I would simply like to give you a history of the Dépôt Park and its management plan, because it is important to understand not only where we are today, but also how we got there. To be very brief, if you want to know more about the history of the Dépôt Park, we have to ask the history of our parks. But very briefly, we acquired the depot park in 2009. Then in 2010, we began to develop the director's plan. It relied on the fundamental ideas of the director's plan of the business district.

Thus, our director's plan for the depot park did not rely on a single plan, but on other plans.

We had a piloting committee at the time. These members... They agreed... We also had a consultant in the team and we collected the public's opinion during multiple days. We organized three public meetings and communicated a lot.

It was in 2012 that we adopted the final plan based on the countries.

In summary, L'objectif de ce plan était de privilégier les espaces verts avec une flexibilité maximale pour divers usagers. La seule structure permanente étant le coin sud-est. Donc tel que vous voyez, le parc dépôt aujourd'hui, c'est ce que prévoit... ...moins une fontaine ou un point d'eau. Si vous avez consulté le plan directeur du parc... ... And we knew that it was... We just imagined a pretty pool of water or a fountain, no mouths or anything else. So we said, okay, we will not do this part of the park because the current situation does not allow us to do it. A few years later, the state legislature, finally the aquatic community and the parks and leisure services of the entire state put pressure on the legislature by saying it is not really reasonable.

And they changed some of these rules.

Comment nous avons mis en place le plan directeur de départ ? C'était là.

Il est complet à ce jour.

Nous avions effectivement défini certains objectifs. Le plan comporte. Ce ne sont pas tous les objectifs du plan, mais ce sont ceux. Nous. We might hear a lot about holding on to the corner of the avenue to look towards the park and to see the banyan tree. It was really important. It's very important for the director.

It's important for the director.

It's important. And that's what we heard. We don't want to... L'autre point, c'est que nous voulions développer un espace vert, ouvert et flexible qui ne soit pas trop programmé.

Nous voulions qu'il soit polyvalent.

Nous voulions... Aucune structure permanente. Et ce kiosque était destiné à être utilisé pour de petites représentations. Nous reconnaissons qu'il n'est pas vraiment utilisé de cette façon, mais c'était l'intention au moment de sa conception. Moreover, we want to offer a better green space for relaxation activities. We therefore want to ensure that people can not only go there for an event or an activity such as yoga in the park, but also simply to find a friend.

They can also sit at a picnic table for lunch. In short, forms of passive leisure.

Nous voulons protéger l'investissement public dans le parc. Nous devons penser aux habitants, aux commerçants alentours et aux travailleurs du centre-ville qui souhaitent peut-être faire une pause déjeuner. We also think of the maintenance staff of the parks that must take care of this space. This will also come into account when we start talking about park planning. And then the development of Yon is still a genius.

Thank you.

The development of the parks must be timeless with a simple design. We wanted the design Nous voulions que l'aménagement du parc soit flexible pour répondre à l'évolution de la communauté et permettre la plus grande variété des besoins. Pourquoi est-ce important pour la conversation de ce soir? C'est ce que la communauté a exprimé en 2012 et c'est ce que nous avons mis en œuvre d'ici 2021. La question est, est-ce toujours le sentiment de la communauté Let's be clear, we generally do not come back to see the public so little after the end of a park to ask, do we want to modify the park? But when there is a significant public interest, Surtout parce qu'un certain temps s'est écoulé depuis que nous avons mis en oeuvre le plan 2021. Depuis, ce parc est devenu très populaire pour nos événements. It has become so popular that, as a service of the parks and the council of the parks, we realized that we needed an event policy and a maintenance plan for Depots Parcs in order to balance the interest of the events with our capacity and our need to maintain this park while guaranteeing the public its access. So, the event policy, I'm going to review it and I'm going to be clear. I'm going to go through the event policy.

We have to come back.

I'm not waiting. This is the first time, each logistic detail on how we schedule the events, but we will end up showing you our calendar to see. But I want you to take all the considerations that we take into account for planning. We therefore have historical events in the park. Many of you know what they are. We have our farm market, the Oktoberfest, the Hutnani, the Huckleberry Days and the Festival of Arts. I don't name them all and I don't forget them. We have defined a historical event as an event that took place three consecutive years or more. We have some that have recently begun to develop and that could perhaps become historical events. They begin to fill the calendar. When we have a historical event, we know that this schedule is reserved for this week of the year. This policy limits the frequency of events so that we can manage You all know that the farm market takes place on Tuesday, and if we have events on the weekend, we must be able to irrigate in the meantime, but we do not want the park to be flooded for the event.

We must therefore program these things appropriately.

For politics, this is the part where there is a lot of information, but I will examine it with you. We authorize an event of several days per month. Nous avons des événements sur plusieurs jours limités à un seul week-end, à l'exception de l'Octoberfest. Nous autorisons un événement d'une journée par week-end chaque mois. Ensuite, nous avons des événements d'une journée se déroulant à la suite, limités à deux jours consécutifs par mois. Nous avons un week-end chaque mois sans événements programmés. Nous préférons que ce soit le week-end suivant. C'est pour que nous puissions effectuer. Et nous avons des événements d'une journée en semaine qui se limitent à notre marché fermier du mardi et un vendredi par mois. Les événements d'un seul vendredi ne peuvent pas avoir lieu le vendredi d'un événement sur un week-end ni le vendredi d'un événement consécutif sur un week-end. So there will be a quiz later. You all understood well. The staff often refers to this policy when people want to organize an event because there are a lot to take into account. We had to establish these rules to allow events while preserving the space, public use and maintenance.

It is therefore a fairly in-depth policy, but Jenny, if you can move on to the next one.

And oh, just a quick word about our interviews too. We have a full week of interviews in the spring, one in the summer and one in the fall. This has made a huge difference for the plaza.

We have started, we have noticed that the plaza is getting much better.

Ce que montre cette politique, c'est qu'en juin de cette année, nous avions une journée disponible pour... Il est important que vous compreniez pourquoi nous voulons exprimer cela, car lorsque nous pensons à installer une scène dans le parc, nous pensons aussi au potentiel de ce qui pourrait être fait. This year, we could have had a day in June. In July, we had a little more availability. We would have had four dates in total.

In July, we have history.

In August, we would have had three dates available in total.

In September, we would have had four days where we could not...

The Oktoberfest begins to overflow on the month of October. It is the last week of September and the first of October. And so in October, we will have... It is therefore about understanding the potential of the number of additional events that we could... In April of this year, a community group came to ask us for the installation of a permanent scene at Dépôt Parc for current event organizers as well as for future potential organizers. The group carried out a public survey of its own project. The Park Council then declared, why don't you collect the public's opinion to make us part of it? You may have participated in one of their surveys or discovered the project through it. They collected answers on farmer's markets and other events. There were posters all over the place. They managed to get 302 answers and the majority of these people supported the proposal. This was presented to the Council of the Park. The Council of the Park then said, OK, that's enough for us to say, let's consult the whole community to find out what they want to do. We tried to communicate via your public service invoices, by mail, via our website and our social networks. System de notification de masse donc je pense que si vous connaissez d'autres personnes qui en ont entendu parler mais n'ont pas pu être présentes elles peuvent également Tonight, we would like to hear from you about the history of Dépôt Parc, the director's plan and the proposal he submitted to us. What I want to clarify, and I think Alain has touched on it a little, but I really want to clarify it. We will review a series of questions with you. What we came to do tonight is to understand if the public wants to modify Dépôt Parc in relation to what it is currently. Do we want a permanent structure? What we did not come to do tonight is to design a scene. I want to be clear on this subject because if we manage to say yes we want a permanent structure, yes we want hard arrangements, then we will transmit the information to the council of the park, we will modify the plan of the director of the depot, then we will start a very So I just want you to think about the fact that if you want changes in the park, it's...

If you don't want any changes in the park, it's... Alan?

Before we start, can everyone give me a sign if you've managed to scan the code? Et si tout est prêt, car c'est le moment d'utiliser vos téléphones. Kali. Si vous n'y arrivez pas, signalez-le à Jenny. Elle pourra passer vous aider ou vous donner une version papier. Pour que vous puissiez suivre. Pour que vous puissiez suivre. Dites-le nous car nous voulons que vous puissiez participer. it must go through the Council of Parks. And this is absolutely not the final step.

If this group says yes, we absolutely want it, then we will present it to them. This is a very good question. The Council of Park Commissioners makes decisions regarding everything that concerns our park systems. The Municipal Council regulates our budget authority. This project in particular is entirely financed by fund collection. So if municipal funds had to be allocated, this part would go through the municipal council. If no municipal fund is allocated and it is entirely financed by private donations, then the council of parks will keep it and put it into action. Your interview will be part of our operating budget, approved annually by the Council. That's an excellent question.

So, let's repeat the question for YouTube.

La question est à quelle fréquence nous ou les organisateurs installons-nous une scène dans le parc pour les événements. Je sais que le marché fermier a une petite scène qu'ils utilisent chaque mardi. Le Houtenani utilise une scène plus grande. Le Stumptown Get Down qui a eu lieu, je crois, deux fois maintenant et qui est en passe de devenir un événement régulier utilise une scène plus grande. And the Oktoberfest has a smaller stage installed inside the tent. The Oktoberfest would not use a stage outside. It would continue to install a stage inside. Yes, so a handful of events. Let's see. Oui, en plus de ça. Oui, donc ce que vous voulez dire, c'est peut-être 30 jours par an où vous pourriez utiliser une scène. Oui, c'est, d'accord, excellente question. Je prendrai une dernière question, mais nous voulons passer à la phase de participation. Nous aurons une session de questions à la fin.

Des questions à la fin.

Oui, mais je veux vraiment que nous fassions ce sondage. Oui, on date très rapidement. I will repeat the questions.

We will do the questions at the end.

But we want to move on to the public participation. There will be absolutely time to ask other questions later.

Yes, so if one of you participated in Vision Whitefish or some of the other projects on which we have worked, we use a software that allows you to vote anonymously and see the results of the crowd in time. Now, remember that you do not vote on this project. Nothing will be decided tonight on the basis of these votes. It is simply to let the staff know via various channels, by email, on the website or here. If there is an interest and how many forms, Yes, it's an authenticating yes. We know that we have to provide a lot of efforts. Yes, it's an non-authenticating yes. But we don't know, do we? We have been approached by a certain organization that is interested and we want to know what they think. The community as a whole, and that's why you have seen so many sensitization approaches.

Very well said.

I have a simple question to start with, a kind of test. In which age range? Three different options. We're warming up, we're working on our mess here. Can you? So that's why you appeared on this graphic, that's why it's really great. So 63 people are connected. Did everyone vote? Did someone get stuck? You always have to foresee the unexpected with technology, because it's great when it works. Do you just want to fill that in or do you want to vote? We'll move on to the next question.

So, do you live in Whitefish? Are you outside of Whitefish, but in the county of Flathead?

Or are you completely outside of the county of Flathead?

Environ neuf personnes vont probablement... Quelqu'un n'est pas prêt à avancer.

Alors, décrivez ce qui vous correspond le mieux. Si vous regardez sur votre téléphone, vous verrez. Êtes-vous dans une organisation? Un filier à une organisation. Ni l'un, ni l'autre. Êtes-vous déjà associé à quelqu'un?

All this will be available on the website once the data are available.

53 seems to be the magic number. Is there anyone left who has not voted?

Hop, 54. Someone just did it. Hop, that's it. Someone is starting to master the game well. We will roll the 100% now. All right, Jenny? Very well, main use of the depot. You can put game, dog, pique, music, relax in the grass, watch people, events, whatever. This will create a cloud of words.

You can even use the cloud of words for clues if you want to make big or small.

We always hold our breath while watching this because we don't have a sensor here, so we never know. 56.

Someone has a little bit of a sense of distance. It's okay, it's okay. Good, let's move on.

Okay, what do you prefer at Depopa?

Voilà déjà trois mots.

Bien joué.

Yes.

Alors, je ne sais pas si je peux tout lire. J'ai l'impression d'être chez Thomas.

Espaces ouverts, emplacements, arbres, ambiances, vues, pelouses. Espaces verts ouverts de plus petits. Voyons voir. Préservation historique, le parc. Le parc aurait probablement dû y figurer car il était juste mal orthographié.

Enfants et chiens.

Espaces de rassemblement communautaire. Certain words that I see are a little redundant, but maybe when writing them or spelling them a little differently, they don't correspond. We will now look at a ranking system using a scale of 1, which means that you completely agree with this statement. Sorry. With a signifier scale, you don't agree. So 1 is the worst. 5 means that I totally agree. Depots should be prioritized as a community space for special events. I don't agree with that.

The first question was, should the depot park be prioritized as a community space for special events? And we got a result a little above that.

It seems to be a little warmer than warm, but not hot.

The depot park should be prioritized as an open space for...

Someone didn't vote. Okay, we hear you.

Okay, wow.

Let's start with the first one, because it's been a long time. Can you give us just one question at a time? Okay, on your phone, you can see... Oh, you can see the five...

So, first question. Are there already adequate facilities for shows in the open air? I let you vote on that.

The second is to know if you prefer a temporary installation rather than a permanent installation for outdoor shows. The third would be to know if you support a new installation.

I support a certain type of permanent structure and I support... Je vous laisse un moment pour ça.

Ce que je vois jusqu'à présent semble étonnamment partagé à 5. C'est assez proche du 50-50. On dirait que cela penche un peu plus vers le temporaire que le... Mais avec 5 comme... Étonnamment proche du milieu. Yes, so if you look, I know that the numbers are difficult to read. but it ponders the whole. So, for example, if less than half for the first, if, for example, to keep the first, if that means a little more than half, people have leaned towards a rather favorable opinion, but it ponders.

So, from a 5, take this and calculate the average. This is what gives this result. This is what this body shows, this body.

Oh, yes, okay, okay, okay.

La première question est assez équilibrée. La deuxième question semble pencher un peu plus vers le temporaire. Plus vers le temporaire, exact. Oui, l'autre semblait assez divisé d'un côté ou de l'autre.

Par rapport à... Le site d'engagement est... So, with that, I know there were a lot of questions at the beginning. We are going to take the results of this. We are going to publish them on the engagement site. We will indicate what our general consensus was. So, we received this tonight. We probably received 35,000.

For the questions, we will pass you the microphone because we will record and your voice must be heard. So just raise your hand if you have a question. To clarify, is it the person who decides? Once you have finished presenting it to the Council of the Parks? Or is it the Council of the Parks? C'est une excellente question. Le conseil des parcs recevra toutes ces informations lors de sa réunion du 13 octobre. C'est une réunion régulièrement prévue à 18 heures ici. Nous allons donc compiler ces informations, tous les commentaires du public reçus via le site Engage, ainsi que les commentaires reçus par e-mail dans un rapport du personnel. With a recommendation on the update of the director's plan or its maintenance.

Talking about the survey that was carried out, they realized.

And you mentioned about 50%, something like that.

What are the figures of this survey?

What were the figures for and against? Do you specifically talk about the investigation carried out by the group that wanted to... There were 302 people who responded to this investigation and it was... Very broadly, in fact. It was really high. I would say it was more than 80. It was not... It was significant enough for the Park Council to do what it had to do. And that was the goal, because it was not a survey.

It was not a survey approved by the...

It was not... We wanted to make sure that we touched all the members.

Were they residents?

Yes, they were mostly residents. But... And it was individuals who were at the farmer's market or at other events. I beg your pardon.

I think that just because he's in front of me, I saw that Richard raised his hand. There seems to be a reluctance to name who is behind this idea. And is it? Well, I don't think we're deaf, but yes, you certainly can.

No, it's a group of community members. There is therefore no organization behind it. It was these two individuals who came to the Park Council meeting. So I can say that Edbox was the first person to come and see us. Then a group of other people. They are members of the musical community. Toby Husband, is Toby here? I know he had to go the other way. Toby Scott has also expressed very clearly his wish to obtain it. All this is in the verbal proceedings of the Park Council. You can see who was...

It's a group of people, excuse me. They are residents.

Isn't it an organization, a lucrative housing association or something like that?

There were two other people here who had raised their hand. This gentleman, I think.

Not here. The website where the data will be published is www.engagewhitefish.com.

You will see a section entitled Community Contribution on the proposed area and something similar.

I am a new resident, so my opinion must be taken with a lot of respect. My question is the following. I have seen your directives for the use of the park and I don't know. But your directives suggest that the depot itself must continue to remain the wonder it is. What does that mean? And if that's the case, I'm done with this subject. A permanent scene will not be located just in front of the depot.

C'est la décision que nous prendrions en fonction des retours reçus sur le plan directeur et les directives, n'est-ce pas? Le dépôt, c'était vraiment important lors de ce plan directeur du Dépôt Parc que nous puissions toujours voir le dépôt. Et nous en avons parlé lors de certaines réunions du Conseil du Parc, à savoir que s'il y avait une scène, nous voudrions toujours qu'elle ne bloque pas la vue du bâtiment du Dépôt. As a temporary scene, isn't it? Contrary to a permanent structure, we really wouldn't want it to block the depot. But again, in terms of design... Any other questions? I thought that... What about the current pavilion? Has it been considered to rebuild it or is there electricity? Because the Pavilion of Kalispell is used for musical events. Yes, the Pavilion has a lot of electricity and it was intended for small representations, but according to the musical community, it is not really ideal for shows. Even if there is electricity, it is simply not the installation or the ideal location.

When we talked about adequate facilities, I think we wanted to say what we currently have. Is it enough for the shows?

Is it possible to mount temporary structures or something?

Is that what you said?

There was a gentleman just a moment ago.

There was a gentleman in the background? Yes, it was you who raised your hand. In the background.

When we examine the scope of the scene, Is it just a space for shows where there is a toilet and other equipment that would improve?

For the moment, we are looking to find out if we want a permanent structure. If we get there, honestly, other ideas will start to emerge, won't they? Why don't we really want to talk about design tonight? Because as soon as we start saying, oh, we could see a scene, then you know, we all have a creative mind and we're all starting to imagine what could be done.

So it will be a very long process to follow if that's actually what we're going to do.

Yes, for the toilets in particular, the city has installed the two sanitary blocks in Auchanis to help. I am curious about the maintenance of this proposed thing paid by us, by us citizens of Whitefield. Je suis aussi curieux de savoir si tous les événements couvrent les frais d'entretien et de réparation du parc lui-même, ou est-ce que toutes ces dépenses retombent simplement sur la base fiscale de l'avion?

Si c'est clair.

Excellente question, Jill, et j'apprécie vraiment cette question.

En tant que service qui doit entretenir nos parcs.

Nous aimons construire des choses en tant que personnes et en tant que communauté, mais l'entretien n'est pas toujours le sujet le plus amusant. Je vous suis donc reconnaissant de vouloir en parler. Il y avait une proposition selon laquelle il y aurait une dotation pour aider à... C'est donc une proposition qui a été avancée. Mais les éléments, oui, l'ancien... They don't cover them entirely because they don't use it.

There are therefore a lot of necessary interviews.

We evaluate the cost of the fees for the park each year. And as our costs increase, we offer these fees.

I beg your pardon.

Je m'inquiète, c'est des conséquences imprévues de la limitation de l'accès public. Et je ne sais pas si une scène ferait pencher la balance, mais c'est possible. Ce que je n'aime pas dans notre parc, c'est lorsqu'il y a un événement et que tout le parc est clôturé avec ses barrières de chantier. Et cela doit être fait bien avant l'événement. It may be due to the fact that alcohol is used and that they need to contain people inside closures, but they were used to making beer gardens using only one part of the space for alcohol and closing only one part. I simply prefer events where the public can always cross the park. You know, if they want to buy a ticket to Tombola or for a fundraising event or make a donation, that it remains open. But having to cross and get your hand stamped to use the public park, it doesn't seem fair. I wouldn't like it to happen at our library. I wouldn't like it to happen at the Avalanche Trail trail. I think there would be a toll in these other public places if we ordered them to be privatized under the pretext that we were collecting funds to support the event. It just doesn't make sense. Cela ne correspond pas à un lieu public dans mon cœur. Merci. Ce que je peux vous dire à ce sujet c'est que le service des parcs et loisirs prend cela très au sérieux. We constantly complain about public access to our parks. And the Council of Parks really strives to ensure that we do not commercialize our spaces, which seems to be your concern. We do not want to commercialize. Thus, all our demonstrations, our demand for all our events, and that they must be organized by non-profit associations, we do not authorize commercial entities. Unless an association needs a commercial provider, for example, C'est ainsi que nous utilisons ce parc pour offrir les services que nos organisations à but non lucratif fournissent à notre commune. Et c'est ainsi que nous gérons l'équilibre entre la demande et cet espace où les événements ne nécessitent pas de fermer l'accès. Et je sais aussi que si vous essayez de gérer l'affluence avec la vente, This may not entirely respond to your concerns, but it is very important to understand that we limit our events solely to our associated community. Closing is a decision that belongs to the organizer of the event. It is not a city requirement, except if there is alcohol.

Je me demandais comment l'ordonnance sur le bruit de Whitefish gérerait la musique provenant du parc s'il existe une limite de décibels ou si cette proposition prévoit une limitation du volume sonore des spectacles.

Dans le code municipal, nous ne gérons pas les niveaux de décibels. Nous reconnaissons que des gens très éloignés peuvent entendre. C'est incroyable de voir jusqu'où le son peut porter. Les événements dans nos parcs doivent se terminer à 22h00. Et tous nos parcs ferment à 23h00. La pétinoire. Car des activités se déroulent jusqu'à plus tard. Mais tout le monde doit avoir quitté nos parcs. A vous !

Tout au fond.

C'est donc un premier.

Je suis tellement contente d'être venue. Soumal m'a dit de venir, mais c'est une affaire importante. C'est un grand changement pour notre communauté. C'est notre place communautaire. Nous nous en soucions tous. Nous nous soucions de ce qui lui arrive. Nous avons tous des avis très passionnés dans un sens ou dans l'autre. Donc j'espère que... Ce processus sera plus transparent sur le qui et le quoi et sur le fait que nous voulons de la musique au marché fermier mais que le marché fermier ne sera pas là. Que se passe-t-il? Il y a beaucoup, beaucoup de questions ici. Il y a aussi des questions, eh bien, oui. Il y a aussi des questions à savoir si, sous prétexte que vous avez organisé ce festival ici chaque année, vous pouvez continuer à le faire et détruire notre pelouse. Il est peut-être temps pour ces festivals de chercher d'autres lieux dans la communauté, le toit du parking ou ailleurs. Mais vous savez, il y a des espaces. C'est donc une autre chose à considérer, car si vous construisez cette structure, vous devez avoir plus d'accès. Et ce n'est pas seulement la musique, c'est le théâtre, les prises de parole en public, les présentations. C'est un espace communautaire qui l'ouvrirait davantage à la communauté. Mais vous allez devoir examiner de plus près. I have other comments, but I'll keep it for the advice of the parties.

The red shirt next to it, with the hand up.

As an actress, I want the public to have access and to be encouraged.

dans la création artistique et par conséquent, les bijoux en argent vendu impliquent une circulation d'argent.

Mais l'argent coûte cher à l'artiste et, je pense simplement,

that the arts and the storage, the mechanical aspects of production are complex. Cependant, les avantages émotionnels et spirituels de ce qui peut se passer dans l'espace public doivent être encouragés et partagés ou doivent être en communauté de bien des manières. et je pense que c'est un atout pour la communauté de disposer de plus d'options pour les spectacles et les présentations

One thing I want to say is that it's great that the farmer's market offers music, but for those who are looking for a scene, we have two buildings dedicated to the arts of the scene right there. So it's not like we're missing a scene for a show.

We have one right next door, without talking about the bass.

So, I don't know.

Are there any other questions? I think I may not have been very clear about the farmer's market. I have the impression that the farmer's market is a sensitive subject. We love to offer local musicians the opportunity to participate. It's obviously very important. People are everywhere on the picnic. And we will always continue to do it. I'm not saying we're not doing it. What I'm saying is that a permanent scene that we should rent and finance is not what we want. We want it to stay essentially open. We love a park with an open space. We don't even rent it for exclusive use. Because you could very well do something else at the same time as the farm market. And we love the fact that it's a green space at 4 p.m. qu'à 17h, il y a de la musique, des pique-niques et des jeux, et qu'à 19h30, tout est disparu. Pendant toute la semaine, ça redevient un espace vert. C'est ça, selon nous, la vocation du marché ferme. is to bring together the community and do something commercial and professional. We would obviously have to rent it, which would mean having to find funds elsewhere. And you know, that's why people are setting up closures. It's to control entrances and make access paid. It is simply not the vision we have of the market. We like young, new artists to come and get to know each other. That's our vision of music in the closed market. Can you explain why these two things are different? So that people understand why there is this confusion? Yes, and people were sending petitions to the farmer's market saying that it was for the farmer's market. We weren't even there. And that absolutely doesn't happen. As far as I know, it's a group of musicians. And of course, we've been organizing the market for 24 years now, 19 weeks a year. So a lot of local musicians have played in the market. Le Marché Fermier est organisé par le Heart of Whitefish, Erna. Et ils accueillent des musiciens, mais ce sont eux, le Marché Fermier. Et le cœur, Heart of Whitefish. Le cœur n'est pas le groupe qui défend la...

If I came to the Council of Parks, could I make a public comment on this subject? It's a fantastic question, former president of the Council of Parks.

And thank you for bringing us back to the fact that it is the time for questions and answers, that the public comments can be received during the meeting of the Council of Parks on October 13 at 6 p.m. in the Council room, right here where you are. We will compile all this information. Les questions que nous avons, nous les présenterons à notre Conseil des Parcs et ils pourront alors prendre une décision basée sur tous les retours que nous avons reçus en ligne et ici et par courriel. Alain, combien de temps gardons-nous la composante de participation ? Est-ce qu'il y a peut-être une semaine avant le Conseil des Parcs ? C'est exact.

Cela dépend de vous, Madame la Directrice.

So, about a week before, we will close this online component in order to be able to gather the data. Bien sûr, s'il y a des commentaires publics qui arrivent après, ils pourront être présentés lors de la réunion du Conseil des parcs. Ma carte est sur le comptoir. Au fond, vous pouvez donc m'envoyer par courriel vos commentaires publics basés sur ce que vous avez entendu ce soir ou si vous souhaitez...

A part of this discussion could concern the renovation of the kiosk, so that it becomes what it was supposed to be, because I often used it like this. It's difficult for the public to see what's inside. And there's a nice country layout. It's just not a safe area. So if that could be part of the discussion, it's an option I'm looking at.

Thank you. We will add it as a public comment to be taken into consideration. Because this does not quite fit into the question of whether you want another permanent structure. I'm just curious about the scientific study that was carried out. Was it done by professionals? Was it financed? So it was a bit biased. I wonder just how it was approved. I'm worried about the polls that are launched like that and that we take for an absolute truth, while it was not a scientific study.

Well, we are not, and that's why you are here today. It is precisely for this that you are here, because we have received a study that was not carried out by the city, but by a group, good or bad, without comment from our partner, right? It was a study carried out by a group. We therefore call on the whole community to say, what do you think? Good idea.

Yes, that's exactly it. That's why. Yes, to have visited different communities with permanent structures and stages, this can be a major asset. But as long as we don't see the design, the size of the stage and all the other associated elements, my vote tonight could radically change. I therefore hope that this will be submitted to a public vote once we know the design, the size and the location. Because I really don't trust the data I just gave you because I don't know what I think yet. Thank you for that. And if we want to move forward with the modification of the park, we will absolutely start this discussion on what it will look like. Will it simply be a polyvalent development? We will absolutely involve the community.

And then... And so, you know, Please bring the microphone closer to your mouth.

Okay. It was a really important interview, and I think you could talk a little bit to everyone.

Bruce is absolutely right. When you have certain amenities in a park that attracts people, you will see this pedestrian crossing using gas. Lorsque vous avez des événements avec la même disposition, vous verrez ce passage piétonnier. Nous avons essayé de mettre en place des mesures, comme le fait que chaque événement doit pouvoir varier son installation afin de ne pas créer ce trafic piétonnier continu.

Si c'est juste une fois par an, nous n'avons pas nécessairement de le faire.

Mais si la Seine était, je pense que ce que vous voulez dire, c'est que si la Seine était au même endroit et que tout le monde s'y rassemblait chaque semaine, alors nous verrions des impacts sur le gazon. Et il serait alors très difficile de faire pousser l'herbe car l'herbe n'aurait pas le temps de repousser. C'est là que se pose la question, voulons-nous aussi... Because it's a good question. It's a good thing to consider. If I want maybe a permanent scene but no rigid surface, it could be difficult for us to maintain this part of the park because you would start to see a lot of pedestrian crossings. We are probably considering a rigid surface element around a scene. to be able to manage it.

Stiff surfaces, that's a good question.

Stiff surfaces, it's like concrete, pavements, everything that's on the ground.

But... Not really organic.

No grass, no gas. It's generally... Ce serait permanent.

D'autres questions?

Je vous remercie tous d'être présents. Une belle participation. Et si vous avez d'autres questions, vous pouvez nous contacter. N'hésitez pas à venir à la réunion du Conseil du Parc ou à nous envoyer vos commentaires. Il reste des encas, alors n'hésitez pas à vous servir.