Westminster Historic District Commission - Regular Meeting

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Okay, good. All right. So, we're with the City of Westminster Historic District Commission, Wednesday, November 5th [laughter] at 6:00 p.m. at Emerald Hill in City Hall. I'm going to call us to order with our statement of authority. The Westminster Historic District Commission derives its authority from chapter 164, article 9 of the city code, which is authorized by the code of annotated code, land use article division 1, single jurisdiction planning and zoning, title 8, historic preservation. The qualifications of the Westminster Historic District Commission are on file at the city administration building, 45 West Main Street, and the file is open to the public. I'd like to do a quick roll call. So we all know who we are. Chris Avidor deputy baby.

Chris McMasters chair Joe Atkins Melissa Thorne city staff.

Fantastic. Thank you very much. All righty. So tonight we have a pretty simple agenda. Um, and we're going to start with old business, which is a post construction application for the historic rehabilitation of tax credit for 205 East Main Street, rear TC25-02. Miss Lauren, would you like to start off our discussion this evening? Sure, I'd love to. I'm actually pulling up a quick screen share for the folks that online so we can see. It'll be this one. We're gonna switch and I think it's this one. Nope. Sorry, guys. There we go. All right. So, we're here tonight to talk about the historic rehabilitation property tax credit post construction application TC2502 for 205 East Main Street. And um on March 5th of this year, the commission reviewed this application for preconstruction and found that the proposed work was eligible work under section 143-5B. Number two, that JFJ and Suns Construction, Restoration, and Remodeling LLC's estimate of $89,244 was acceptable. And number three, that the property was an eligible property. Furthermore, the commission granted the preliminary approval of the historic tax credit certificate of eligibility for TC2502 in the amount of $8,924.40, which is consistent with our city code section 143-5B. On March 14th, 2025, the city received a letter from the Maryland Department of Housing and Community Development upon a review by the Maryland Historical Trust on the scope of the work and it was

determined that the department fact found that the undertaking will have no adverse effect on historic properties. And later on October 1st, 2025, the applicant submitted their post construction application for historic rehabilitation property tax credits in the amount of $89,244. The work was completed on May 10th, 2025, which was within our 24 months after preliminary approval was granted. And the final project that was completed by JFJ and Sun's construction was to remove the existing damaged, loose and bulged ephus, replacing it as necessary, installing flashing, installing new caulking and backer rods, aqua flash and mesh in certain areas, rebuilding this ephys system, and installing base coats with fiber mesh and paint. So tonight, staff recommends that the commission review the post construction application and other documentation provided by the applicant of 205 East Main Street to determine number one, whether the completed work is eligible and in accordance with the preliminary approval, and number two, the original approved amount for the tax credit of $8,924.40 is acceptable. Tonight we have Deborah here to um provide any answers to questions that you might have and um we have three draft notions available. Great. So Deborah, didn't Miss Garn pretty much represent what happened in your understanding? Yes. Do you have any concerns or questions that may have popped up during the um project? No, it was a very smooth project. Um I have two questions. one I always ask, did you have any change orders or cost overruns you did not expect or were they able to stick to their agreement with you? They It was It was that agreement. We did

find some other things that happened that led to other um contracts with them, our roof, that kind of thing. But that as far as that project, it was dollar for dollar. Okay. Great. And then the second question I have is I unfortunately for you, I live in the neighborhood, so I was watching the construction and I think I saw brick behind the stucco. Um, and I did ask someone early on if they put a picture for us just for the file. Did you find that to be the case? It's a brick structure below. Um, I believe so. Well, I think there it used to be a garage, so I definitely know there was um and then maybe some wood filling in like a bay area.

Mhm. Interesting. Do you know if those pictures were ever taken during They were and they were they were shared. It's just been such a long time. I think that it it might not be on top. You know what I mean? Um so I can confirm there there was some break there, but I don't have pictures of that here tonight. Yeah, that's fine. I just for the record because you know that part of town you're in danger of hitting log structures and you know I'm always curious how much is log how much is brick. My hope is that's brick. That means I'm guessing right on the time zone of that house.

There's been debate about [clears throat] because if you look at the old pictures of the main courting you can see that this was a three-story brick building next to it. And so there was the rumor that they demolished that entire building and built this one out of Stuckco. And then there was the version where they just took the third floor off and covered what was left with Stuckco. So it's nice to confirm that the original brick structures under there. Yeah. And how often do you get to do that? Once every 75 years when the Stuckco needs to be fixed. [laughter] And this was sort of our chance to take a good look.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'll be around to be curious about it for sure. All righty. Um well, thank you. Do our commissioners have any questions? Hearing none, are our commissioners ready to go ahead with one of these motions? I'm willing to hear motion one, two, or three. I move motion number one if we can do it that way. I don't have to read the second that. Miss Melissa, do you understand that motion number one is to approve your request? And so I'll ask um we have our first we have a motion and a second and any further questions on that.

Great. So all in favor? All right. So the consensus has it. Okay. Thank you very much. Looks like you did a great job. I hope no. You did a very nice job. Great. And and so tell your friends and neighbors in the business community that this Isn't that bad? We're not that awful, right? We won't tell you what to do if your building's paint color. [laughter] Yeah, we might suggest no printable. But, you know, [laughter] I will share.

We already have your information on the paperwork that you gave. So, after some signatures tonight, we should be good for this this next um tech. Okay. So, we'll be in touch with Yeah. when it's ready. All right. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good enough. Good. Good night. All right. Great. We get ready to move on to new business and this is for 59 West Main Street Design in Time Paint Color. Miss Thurm, would you like to present that?

Sure. I don't have a staff report for this um project, but we were we met with um the owner and the management representative on the other day and they were interested in some of the programs that we have available with the city at this building and looking to invest in this building. um and and they're not able to be here tonight, but I think um the hope was that they could start conversations on recommendations on paint colors. So, I can say just out of our experience, keeping the sills white and the windows white is something that is pretty much a standard in town with historic structures. And that's not really the modern approach these days. Right now, the modern approach is to blacken those um windows. And that really is contrary to a historic district. And you know, honestly, five years ago before that style came in, I would have said historic district really doesn't comment on colors, especially since it's reversible. But that blackening of the sills really is counter to our community.

Are the windows in good shape? So they they're not thinking about replacing them. They just need to paint them or they haven't gotten that far into it yet? Not not that far into it yet. We didn't discuss the the condition of the windows. It was more just the brick part. The largest part of it. They look like replacements to me anyway to be honest. They don't really look or she got to be closer to now. Was this building just sold? Was it sold or is it the Was it the previous owner? She said she's owned this and a couple other properties on this last property she had. Okay. For a while. Okay. [laughter]

So, other than that, color choice we usually leave to the homeowners. We don't dictate, but we wouldn't suggest something muted. you know, you don't really want a building that stands out because its color is jarring. So, you know, we have a variety of colors in town going from grays to blues to, you know, greens and yellows and and whites. And honestly, um, she can take inspiration from her neighbors and if she wants the building to pop, maybe not pick the same color as her neighbor, but not a color that's going to make you stop traffic. You know, that's a busy corner. So, what do you guys think?

Yeah, my personal taste is for something very muted, I wouldn't even go with blue or something like that. I tend to go more and I think gray is

Oh, either a very light gray or or even white, which is what if you painted a brick building historically, it was usually white. Um, this one we know wasn't painted originally from there's a very early like late 1860s stereograph the historical society. You can see the montour house and and it's unpainted. So, we know originally it wasn't painted. What if you were going if somebody was going to paint uh what when were brick structures when did they start to paint?

Do they've been painted for a very long time? The hard part about brick is you find out that every 10 years they're spalled off because the brick breathes. Brick needs to breathe. Well, and sometimes they painted them originally if they used a really cheap grade of brick and needed to protect it. Um, so some brick buildings were painted originally, some weren't. Um, is that going to interfere like painting it now and then dealing with other things later? Is that going to be hard to match or shouldn't be difficult? Depends on how So they just want to paint. I'm sorry. They just want to paint the brick. They don't want to paint the facade thing. I don't know that you could.

Right now, the focus is just to paint so that they can um remediate and build those spaces upstairs. Um, so they're just working on just phasing essentially this project. Eventually they want to work on other areas, but yeah, the color that's on it is fairly muted and it's fairly neutral. So that would be okay, but they wanted to go with Yeah. And I don't know that you could paint those wooden shapes on the front there. Not sure they would take paint. So I just was wondering what they had. Well, it depends. They've probably been pressured and stuff, so I'm not sure how good they would look when you paint them. I think that would be I think they would just soak in paint.

So, I don't even know what kind of condition they're in. Somebody would have to really get up there and look at them and see if they're okay or if they're they've been up there since the mid 1970s, they could shape. One historical option is that you know because the painting issue happens so frequently every 10 years you're stuck painting brick. Um at my house they painted the brick brick red and so then when it pops it doesn't look so bad because it kind of matches the brick.

I was saying that where people paint the brick to look like brick. that at my house on the sleeping porch of the first floor which was enclosed pretty early. Um it was painted brick red on the brick and then sort of white lined on the mortar. They even lined the mortar but like a crazy expensive way expensive way to do it. But it had it was almost like a chalk line, you know, like a paint chalk line was really thin and and very precise. I don't know how they managed to apply that to the building. Like a white piece of string or something, you know. I think a stormy gray.

Well, we look forward to seeing how this facade gets improved and um hopefully it's part of the facade improvement program. Yes, we're definitely encouraging them to come back and and fill out those applications and also to reach out for any like on-site discussion if they're interested. Sure. any kind of assistance we can offer. You know, we've seen [laughter] a few things coming down so that we can be helpful. What condition is the interior in? They need a lot of work in there or it's pretty much moving and ready. Some additional work. Yeah. Does anybody come to us for painting and business? Is it vacant now or do they have tenants now?

They have some tenants upstairs. I actually don't know. And I looked to we were we were met with them. There's no one on the first floor. So they're looking to, you know, part of the phasing. So first residences, make sure they're good to go and then fill the weekend. Well, they could come to us for tax credit as well for interior. Yeah. And if it's a business, would they be eligible? I mean, besides the state, would they be eligible for federal grant also for business? If they take care of the if they rent it out to uh

if any part of it, even the rentals upstairs are commercial. They're all They're all eligible for the federal tax credit and I would get that as long as that's available. That's 20%. And state 20% and us 10. That should be helpful and I can help. I've gone through the paperwork. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. All right. On to the historic district commission's implementation plan. And I think Miss Thorne might have some news. Um I don't have a lot of news on the 250th activities to be honest. No the imple

Oh the um jumping ahead implementation plan. We have the contract ratified. So we are that was shared out today. I got a copy of that so we can finally move officially move forward um with our contractor. Very grateful for that coming through today. Um the state has been incredibly patient. The contractor has been incredibly patient. Um and I think everybody's just ready.

So far I'm done. I've been stacking up resources. I actually thought it had been approved earlier, so I started sending stuff directly through to the contractor um that I thought would be contributing to this implementation plan. And then I got the word, oh, it's not official yet. So, now that I've heard it's official, I'll start sending through more stuff, more resources. Okay. Yes, that's great. And you always get to see Snake. Yes, I appreciate that. There's actually can you start to include Joe? Absolutely. We can give you that information as well. Yeah, absolutely. Or Joe. Don't take me off to also include or even just planning at Westminster.gov comes to everybody.

It'll be the one-stop shop. The thing I like about including you guys is that every once in a while I've run across something interesting, a little historical tidbit, and I'll ask Melissa, will you share that with the historic, you know, commission? And I don't know, I think it keeps you all more engaged to have little things popping up. So, would a great anything else on the implementation plan we should touch?

No. And I don't want to overwhelm or obviously task anybody, but just something to keep in mind. If there are any other items that you know of on from your like wish list on the implementation that you want to start working towards, you can just just let us know and we'll add it to the agenda and we we can start talking about it. Absolute great. Okay. Thank you. Nation's 250th. So, let's do a double check. How we doing on street signs? So, we got a lot done last month and we did.

I know. which is great. Um the actually the jump down the historic district entrance signs we marked actually physically marked. So we're hoping to have an installation date soon. So that will actually be that'll be officially completed completed for the first two. Um the street signs we're still working with um a company for them and we have learned that the price has gone way down since we limited the scope. We're just now working through that extra bit as far as the um the longer style that we've discussed that is that center we have quite a few of them center street Manchester Avenue and those to make sure we can get a good design on that space. So, you know, nothing's been purchased yet. We're still working through um talking to Mark about just making sure who needs to have this before them to okay it before we purchase. So, I think I I see that being an early January purchase.

Okay. Yeah. Very good. What's next? Oh, you want me to talk about the commemoration plaque for the revolutionary era of homes? No, we we're still working on

Sure. So, we had gone through so um we'll just touch on so the downtown preparation we talked about the um the flags um that we would like to order on top of whatever the county or whatever the municipalities are going to do to order the county logo. We'll also make sure to get some Westons but the commemoration flags. We I've reached out to a company for an ideal pricing. I haven't gotten the prices back yet. Um, and I I went back to our notes on the actual wording of it. And what we had discussed was maybe having one set of language for every building. Yes.

To make it more costefficient. And it's still everybody's part of the same thing. Um, the bu this building. Oh, I didn't bring it with me. And it's pulling out. This building is designated as a com for the commemoration of the nation's 250th or the United States Cester sesquentennial. I think that sounds nice. Um I I question one more time if that's what we want. Definitely. Okay. I think we couldn't do it any other way. We customize it for each building. The cost would be exorbitant.

Right. I know. And that's the only thing. Um, and I think the question that we will get from the homeowners is my building wasn't here at the revolution. My building wasn't here 250 years ago. I'm willing to go talk to anybody. There's only 30 of them. I'll knock on every door. I think there's actually only 15 when I double check the list today. Um, but so which is even better, I guess, for for that. But, um, I will talk to every every homeowner. I will go knock on their door cuz I live in that neighborhood. Gives me an excuse to go say hello. When we had talked Cath, you had mentioned an era of time.

Is there any way to weave in the actual era that those buildings were built in? Like 1838, this building was here. Like do the whole range that makes it that makes it customized again. But but it would be the whole range for everybody. So the pick whatever the first building was on the oldest building on that line we had a we had a date range. I think we talked of like 1764 which is the establishment of Westminster through like 1814 which is the end of the war of 1812. Yeah. I was going to say that but I'm looking at you because I want to make sure I said that 18th to 19th century. [laughter]

Right. I think we wanted to say through the war 1812 because really that really was the end of England's hope to get us back as a colony and that honestly was the end of the revolutionary war. We had there kind of a second war to seal deal so [snorts] that's why we we feel comfortable in saying that. Okay. So when we have when we get the letters out to the residences, I will communicate that with you so we can work through any challenges or anything that comes. Yeah. Because I think I'm happy as a neighbor to go around and follow up on that letter and say I'm happy to answer any questions you have and if I don't know, I'll find out.

Well, I want to know about the tax credits and things while you're talking to them. thought they wanted to do anything else for the building. So I'll just tell them the good [laughter] thing about the 250th celebration is that they themselves don't consider the limits to being 250 years old. They considered the whole swap of history. I mean there are whole states that weren't in the union out in the Midwest and the far west. Um, and yet Alaska can participate in the 250th just because it wasn't a state till what,

1949 or something? 1948. It's considered some it can celebrate. All right. Good. Um, I was going to say something about the Liberty Tree plaque. I had heard, and I may be completely wrong, that there was some sort of plaque they were willing to provide with that tree. Did you miss an opportunity to grab a free plaque? Never heard about that opportunity. Could you just double check? We may not have to pay for a plaque.

Yeah, I So, we had gotten that from Champ Zundram out of the Western Maryland. Um gosh, the what is the organization? I'm trying to think the Maryland so some sort of Maryland tree organization and they uh so maybe they have a budget. I don't know. I mean we paid for the trees but I would I would double check because I you know everybody's getting on this tree bandwagon and I have heard the plaques come with the trees and I thought I [laughter] think we got our plaque. Um, so maybe that came out after the trees were I mean we jumped on real quick. We did. You were very put on the trigger, which is wonderful, right?

But I'm hearing about other people getting a plaque going with that tree. And I thought maybe Could you look into that and see if you hear or if you talk to your network? I can, but I think you might be better off going through who you got it from. Absolutely. I I I would just be surprised if they were offering it and had mentioned it previously. I mean, it's I think it's a a typical plaque that just explains what the tree is, but I thought, well, if we're part of a larger movement of liberty trees and everybody else's plaque, why don't we have one that looks like it, you know? [clears throat]

Yeah, I reached out to him recently about Mount Ary because they were interested in some more trees. Um, and then I heard I think for the heart of Civil War heritage area there was an additional opportunity if you had a tie to the revolution. Um, that they were looking for those specific spots to add trees. Um, so yeah, maybe because of that they're offering plaques. We'll look into it. I I think I think honestly they're um I I suggested either the the tea house where William Winchester's house is. Mhm.

Um, and I also suggested Durban House. I think the tea house is actually one step out of the heart of the Civil War heritage areas area. I think [laughter] I think the city is their boundary and I know the tea house is just outside of it. Um, but I do know the Durban House is within their boundary and I thought there's so much going on there that is a Revolutionary War house that [laughter] it makes sense, you know, the city except a tree there. I'm not sure how whether or not the city's been approached for that or there are other places in in the county than Westminster, although it's very hard for me to accept that. [laughter]

Well, and another one that's closed is the historic tribe there. Be a great place to have one of those liberty trees or even Westminster cemetery because you got lane. So, we looked into that and the cemetery board considered it, but it's just these trees are huge and they drop a lot of leaves and we currently don't have a problematic leaf program. We would have to develop a program for maintenance of leaves. Trust me, it's going to be a while before that's going to be a big issue.

I know, okay, with the size of the tree that's [laughter] out there. Yeah, you're not going to have to worry about it for a But they do actually grow to 60 feet tall and their their span of root mass is huge and that's a lot of grapes for us to say no to, you know, close the door on. So we looked at number of corners we could put it on, you know, to get the root mass to go somewhere else, you know, like under the road and under the pavement or something. And we just kept saying we're just not comfortable, you know, our our livelihood is underground. We just don't want to lose it to the roof mass. So, we felt like the Durban House, which is surrounded by woods, would be a good place. So, um my contact was with the Alagany County Forestry Lord. Isn't that interesting? You would think it would be Anonda County or something, but um that's who it was. And we all we did get a certificate along with a treat like a certificate of

you know something you could print out or or use it as design. So um adoption papers with exactly. So we'll see if there's anything else. Well I can I think email Liz and ask her. Okay. Because that's the context I think I would have seen these plaques. Okay. Yeah. It would be nice if we had something similar to match what other areas had. Yeah. Um, and I'll be sure and CC you so you're in the loop for and I also like what we I also like what we already have created. I do too. I like it. So, not necessarily saying we won't do that. So, looking at all the options. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, it just it just to me seemed like, oh, this is an easy do. This is already it's already prefabricated. [laughter] Fabricated. Fabricated. Fabricated. That's the actual word. Okay. Um, so event programming, I have a little bit of an update. So, um, I think I shared with Melissa that we did get the Patriots Trail, first marker in the state of Maryland for the Westminster Cemetery. Um, excise

and it's in our maintenance shed right now, but we're not going to share it online because we're going to do an unveiling. The Sons of the American Revolution were sponsors with the William G. Pomememoroy Foundation and they got us the sign and the pole as part of their nationwide Patriots Trail. first in the state of Maryland. Although I'm a little worried by the time we actually get it in the ground and have a celebration. Somebody might beat us to it. But we got the first one. [laughter] And you're broke through these now.

Yeah, I feel like doing that now, but we we don't want we want it unveiled. So, what we're thinking about is um even though we have it right now in hand, we're a little concerned about unveiling it during the Christmas season. I mean, this is going to take us a month. get it in the ground and do the unveiling, have a party. It's going to be a month. And the more I talk with the S for us to get a color guard and get the mucky mucks we need to get from the S, the D, and um, you know, the Pomeroy Foundation, all these folks have to be invited. And then we'll of course want our city participants, you know, the mayor and, you know, people from the county level, maybe even the state level like we did for Belgrove Square.

That's all that needs a month. Like people need a month on their calendars. So, we were thinking about doing it um [clears throat] maybe the first weekend of May for preservation week. And I've already found out one of our speakers is not available. So, I need to talk with the S and really nail down as save the date. Um, right now our working day is May 3rd,

Sunday at 2:00. I still need to communicate with them and make sure that that's still working for the folks that they're coordinating. um a lot of pieces, but the Beldrip Square event that we had on the 20th of September was a wonderful um practice round for this kind of commemoration. Well, we did with the Powerway Floundation one for Mary Shelman. They sent all their people. So, they did and state of Maryland people. Yeah. So, that maybe their schedule is going to be more important than our schedule. That's why we're thinking of putting it off till the spring. Oh, definitely. and giving us plenty of months to edge it in stone.

Yep. You have the Pomeranate people. In that case, this the pass through was the state and um this time it's CSR but still it's you know everybody is important to get on stage and you know take a bath. So don't share this with anyone. It's a big secret. Would you want to do it as part of the Memorial Day celebration that you have in the cemetery every year? We are really not interested in that because you know the Memorial Day celebration is already a big deal

10,000 pieces that don't always attenuate well together. And um I feel like it it'll be up by then. And that's May is preservation month nationwide. But I just feel like it might take away from acknowledging these three patriots. And hopefully during a Memorial Day foundation or event, they'll acknowledge the three patriots. That would be great.

Or you could do it in April on Patriots Day for which is the day of the Boston Marathon. But you know, they gives you a sure we're hooked to. So anyway, we're still negotiating and you know this this is a joint project so I have to make sure our partners are all happy. All right. So I just wanted to share that. Um and then of course we have our items completed and we're happy with that. So let's move on then to the historic district commission and public comments. And I will just go down the list. Miss Amador, do you have anything for the good of the historic district? Nothing to report. All right, Miss Batty.

Okay to report. Okay. Well, I will report about last night's party at the Wakefields Valley Center. It was the heart of the Civil War Heritage Area's annual meeting. And um I was there, Mr. Debo was there, Mr. Barber was there on behalf of the city. And um I got to say that was a fabulous event. It was lots of fun. and we were the inaugural event for that new center and we got to go through the Durban House which was also a lot of fun. The thing I like and maybe I'm unique in this, it's not quite done which is great cuz I can see the stone wall behind some of the piping and some of the doors aren't quite adj and I can see behind the corners. So, it's like the building is a little rivals

and I love that. [laughter] But I'm I'm sure that in a month or two everything's going to be perfect. Keep part it partially exposed. Sometimes they do that. You could see like in the corner or something. I don't think that's the intention. I think the intention is to make it look perfect. And yeah, I most I think most people want that. You know, I'm one of the exceptions who likes to look behind the corners. You do. You like to see behind just a little bit. I've seen it before. It looks like

So um and that building is looking great. It's looking really fabulous. St. Cheers. Um, I did this on my Facebook, so take a look at that. The food was fabulous. The, um, Carol County was the host essentially. So, we had Carol County vendors who had things like cider from boggers and dessert from boggers and we had Carol County beekeepers had honey available for everybody to take home as a little gift. And um it it was a real celebration of farmlands. That was the whole thing was farmlands. So the um Al Spoiler who was the MPT host of Maryland farms or farm.

I think I know what you're talking that program. I think I know what you're talking about.

Started out as a radio program and became a regular TV program. So he was the host and he talked a lot about his 50 years with Maryland public television with and farms in Carol County. That was fun. And I have to say um everyone looked good. The city of Westminster looked fabulous with this new um event. Abby Grouper and her staff were all there to be really helpful and that was wonderful. Um, we had a great crowd. Um, a good chunk of them from Carol County. And I just have to say all in all, it was a really fun fun inaugural event for that center. And I would really recommend you find a way to get in there because that's going to be a great wonderful spot for gatherings.

What's the um u How many people can you hold? What's the max? Easily. It looks like 250, but I'm just guessing. Is that like an addition to the old house or is that It's a It's the old center. Oh, the house is separate. What? Melissa, you don't 190. Nice. Cuz we just updated um the Carol County visitors guide for next year with that number. So, is this a new building or is this the old country club building? It was the renovated country club. You would know it. It's so beautiful. I mean, it's beautiful and the acoustics are great.

Well, it was a nice facility. remember wandering around out there for runs and stuff and there was this house and I realized that was an original old house there but I didn't see so that old house is they were working on it. Yeah. On the heart of this floor heritage area gave three consecutive years of grants at 100 grand a piece to renovate it and the city has matched it in far more far. So, it's um been a dream to get that going for a long time and it's very very historic. Mr. Durban, who owned that house, originally was one of the original founders of the Methodist movement, Strawberry Shrine. Okay. Which

Yeah. So, super cool. Super. Is it technically within the historic district? Probably not. I mean, not the district. Let's study though. It is. It is a city you're talking about. You should give them a plaque. They're definitely in a colonial. I have no idea what the date of the Duran house is. It's definitely colonial. 17. I don't have that information. [laughter] They need. All right, we'll talk afterwards. They need one of our blacks on that building. We'll add it to the list. Add it to the list. Are they Are they on my feet?

I'm sure. I am sure of that. I'll look it up. absolutely certain. It's just I hadn't thought about it because it's not in the district, but that's okay. We were willing to give plaques away for the tea house and that's not even in the city probably. So, all right. Um, so that's it for me in my my activities. Um, Mr. Atkins is new, so he's probably No problem. Welcome. [clears throat] Welcome Joe and liaison for the city of Oh, he's gonna be our new liaison.

Yeah, we're here. Um I'll be here to help along the way. And um I just want to have one update to share. It's really just to let you all know we're waiting to hear back from the state department of housing and community development on our facade funding. If um any award is made, we should know by December. Um, sometimes it's around the end of this month. Um, and if that's the case, if we have additional funds, um, we will be bringing them hopefully in a large chunk in February. So, I'm sorry, in March because February would be the due date. So, if you guys could be at the ready for early next year um to hopefully to have a competitive process, we'll have um probably new this year, we'll have like a template for the ranking and grading of applications um so we can use use the funds in the best way.

So, that does bring up a topic we should probably talk about. Um, normally we skip December as a meeting date unless there's pressing business. Okay. If someone has a tax credit or something they want us to review, of course, we're available.

We would not want the public inconvenienced, but as a normal thing, we sort of skipped December. Um, how do you feel about it this year? I'm h I mean if yeah I'm good with what you said. I'm if we want to skip December because there's just so much going on. I'm good with that. But if somebody has some pressing thing I would absolutely find find a date to meet and review. Is that okay with city staff? Do you look at that? Our next meeting date then we would schedule would be January 7th.

That's the first first Wednesday in January. And so we're well clear of New Year's and all that. Um this is a helpful stand but we are at ready and willing to be helpful if something in the beginning of December comes up. Okay. Okay. All right. With that we will move to adjournment. Thank you very much everyone.