City Council - Regular Meeting

It is 6 o'clock. We'll call the meeting to order. If everyone would like to stand for the pledge in a moment of silence. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation with all be seated. Thank you very much. Welcome everyone to tonight's meeting of the city council. Members of the public are welcome to speak on any topic, whether it is on tonight's agenda or any issue that is important to you. Each person that wishes to speak should complete a speaker card, which are located near the glass doors and submitted ahead of time to the city clerk. After you have been recognized to speak, please use the microphone at the podium and clearly state your name and address for the record. Please address all your comments to the city council rather than individual members. Direct all questions to the chair. Speakers will be given up to three minutes. First order of business will be we need a motion and a second to allow Mr. Frampus to um attend remotely and to vote. Mr. Adams,

I'll make a motion to allow him to attend remotely. All right, we have a motion from Miss Adams and Mr. Gaylord. I'll second. All right, we have a motion from Miss Adams and a second from Mr. Gaylord. All those in favor, please signify by saying I.

I. Those opposed say name. Motion carries. Welcome, Mr. Frampus. I Oh, here you are. I can see you here on my little screen. Thank you, Mr. Frampus for joining remotely. Um presentations. The first will be a proclamation for the November 2025 as Native American Heritage Month and that will be followed by um flute playing by Claire and John Ellis from Native America American Heritage. All right. Am I back? Okay, we'll start right here. Native American Heritage Month Proclamation. Whereas the contributions of Native Americans and their descendants have significantly enhanced the freedom, growth, prosperity, and greatness of the United States. And whereas Native American Awareness Week began in 1976 and recognition was expanded by Congress and approved by President George HW Bush in August 1990, designating the month of November as National American Heritage Month. And whereas the customs and traditions of Native and indigenous Americans are respected and celebrated as an integral part of rich heritage heritage across the United States. And whereas the celebration of Native American Heritage Month creates an opportune time to educate the public about the many tribes and to raise awareness of the unique challenges of the Native people both historically and present. And whereas in honor of Native American Heritage Month, Native American Heritage Gathering, Inc. will host the 17th annual Native Rhythms Festival from November 14th through the 16th, 2025 at

Wickcham Park, honoring the indigenous peoples of the Americas through music, dance, crafts, and cultural displays. Now therefore, be it proclaimed that the mayor and the city council of the city of West Melbourne, Bvard County, Florida, hereby proclaim the month of November, 2025 as Native American Heritage Month in the city of West Melbourne. And we urge all citizens to celebrate the accomplishments of Native Americans and learn more about the vital contributions of Native and Indigenous Americans. Witness my hand and seal of the city on this fourth day of November, 2025. So, thank you very much. I'm going to hand this to you here and we'll take a photo and then you can play the flute. How's that? Okay. And I'll give you the microphone and you can say anything you'd like to say.

Would you like to say a few words?

Thank you. Thank you so much, Mayor Young. We appreciate this very much. Um and we're very fortunate to be able for the 17th year to have the Native Rhythms Festival. Um it's a beautiful familyfriendly event. It's free for all. There's uh we say it's uh familyfriendly and as a native event that means there's no alcohol. So it's a beautiful place for children, families. Bring a couple lawn chairs, a blanket. Um you'll see beautiful native village with different performances. There are a lot of free workshops. You can sign up for many many beautiful workshops all free. Just go to native rhythmsfestival.com. You'll see everything there and you can sign up. John will be doing something about the Trail of Tears because he has some Cherokee heritage. That's my husband John at the camera. This is Bart Leovski and he'll be playing in a minute the Cherokee morning song as part of the committee. So, we welcome all of you. Uh there's uh beautiful native vendors, try some fried bread, come and enjoy the day, learn more about Native Americans, and it's all free and wonderful for the general public. Thank you. You are clear, right? And you are. Okay. All right. Go ahead and play.

Thank you. That was lovely. Lovely. Thank you. [applause] I can see you want to say something. One more thing. And I want to give a big shout out and a big thank you from Native Heritage Gathering, Inc. from all of us in the committee to Sandy Mickelson, a diamond sponsor of our event. Thank you so much, Sandy. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Next, we will have the new employee introductions. Mark Piccarillo.

Let's see you pronounce these names.

Good evening, Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Council members. I'd like to introduce you to three of our newest employees. um their fourth individual, Andrew, couldn't make it tonight for prior engagement. So, we have Ernonaldo BJ um parks department. We have Sheldon Autry from the parks department and we have Brandon Johnson for streets and drainage. Um all been with us for a couple months now. I think Sheldon's probably the um only been here for about a month with us. Um the four of them are are fitting in perfectly. um great attitudes, uh working out well and good team players. So, we're very happy to to have them aboard. And with that, I'll let them introduce themselves.

I apologize. I feel really nervous. Um I'm Ronald. I'm Cuban, originally from Miami. Um I don't know much to say. I love to work. I'm very OCD, very petty attention to details, very respectful upon manners in class. So, and just it's a pleasure to be on board with everybody with the city. I've always done towing my whole life, heavy equipment, machinery, stuff like that. Um, drive semis and stuff like that. So, I know a look almost like jack of all trades. I've done a little bit of everything. It's just a pleasure to be with the city. All right, we have some questions for you, Miss Adams.

Thank you. What brought you to West Melbourne years ago? I mean, I was born and raised in Miami, but I moved up here because back in 95, 96, I was like eight years old, so it was like nice, peaceful town back then to raise a family. So, you've been here for a while? Yes. Oh, that's great. Bay, Melbourne, back and forth. We're happy to have you. Thank you. Thank you. Can you pronounce your last name for us one more time? I'm sorry. That was just my question also. Oh. Oh, Miss Vultz. Yes, Miss Vultz. I was just wondering also what brought you up here. One more time. What brought me up here? Well,

no, no, that's fine. Uh, that was my question also, but she asked first. So, thank you. Welcome. Yes. Uh, sorry. Hi, my name is Shel Natri. Um, live down in Miko. Um, I was at the city of Coco. It's like half the drive for me. Worked out pretty good. Um, interested in the water department was I was working in the water department there. So, heard you guys are building the water department for water plant. So, that's kind of what brought me here and just looking forward to getting that done and maybe moving over to that. Um, loving the job, loving the city. Everything's been fantastic. So,

great. Thank you. U Miss Folz, did you have a question there? No, you still have your light on. Okay. Hi.

How you doing? My name is Brandon Johnson and um I've been with Street and Drainage for about two months and um I love it. I just love community. So that's I think that's mainly what uh drives me every day. I'm from Pennsylvania originally and I worked for White Marsh Township and for about three and a half years and I just fell in love with working in the community honestly and uh did electrical work for a while and um that's pretty much my background. But when I um initially was going through the interview process, um Jennifer and Isabelle were just amazing. And I could tell right there just from, you know, their welcoming attitudes that this would be a great city. And um so I just want to um say thank you to everybody. Mr. Roadie, thank you for giving a chance. And Mark and Adam, they're on facility every day. And um I just really app appreciate these guys because they bring uh they motivate us, but they bring an atmosphere that's just really positive to be in and um so I enjoy coming to work every day and working for them and I couldn't say more about this city. So looking forward to I appreciate everybody.

Well, thank you. We'll have to keep you in PR. Thank you. [laughter] Thank you. Thank you very Thank you very much. Oh, Miss Boltz, I'm sorry. There's a question. Miss Boltz, I'm sorry. I thought your light was stolen. I'm sorry, but I heard Pennsylvania. Where are you from in Pennsylvania? Philadelphia, right outside. It's called Ka. Okay. Okay. I'm from Indian. Yeah. It's a um Well, I'm from Pittsburgh, so that's why I was on Yeah. So, all right.

So, um yeah, I'm from Kunch Haken. It's right outside the Philadelphia border and um so yeah, and I work for White Mars Township, which is connect like connected to go birds. All right. Um, next is the um public hearing. We do not have any cards for public hearing and this is ordinance number 2025-24 impact fees. Mr. Kerry.

Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh, if I may, before I explain the ordinance, I'd like to read the title. Uh, this is ordinance number 2025-24, an ordinance of the city of West Melbourne, Florida, relating to impact fees, revising section 18-272 of the city code of the city of West Melbourne, relating to schedule permit fees, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for codification and scrier's errors, and providing an effective date. And as a reminder, we did talk about this ordinance two weeks ago. This is an ordinance to pave the way for our water plant to allow us to assess impact fees should the study uh come back and and say that's the best way to move forward. Um and it just cleans up the code so that we can um to assess the study as well as charging impact fees if and when the time comes. The code right now doesn't really adequately address in-house impact fees. uh the impact fees we charge now are passed through from other communities and so we've separated those out into two different sections and um allowed us to collect our own if we need to and that is the ordinance. I'll take any questions if you have any.

Thank you. Um council wishes of the council miss make a motion that we approve um ordinance number 20 25-24. Thank you. Um, there a second, Miss Magguire. Thank you. I'll second that. All right. Thank you. We have a motion on the floor to pass the ordinance from Miss Boltz and we have a second from Mr. McGuire. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Motion carries 70. Mr. Frampus, can you hear us? I didn't hear you, but that's all right. Yes, it was an I.

Thank you. All right. Thank you. Next item, public forum. We have a speaker card. Actually, I need to close the public hearing. Um, and now we have public forum. We have a speaker card from Cynthia Pool. Please come up and state your name and and address for the record, please. My name is Cynthia Pool. Address 244 Sylvia Road, West Melbourne, Florida 3294. Thank you. speaking to the microphone.

Oh, sorry. Um, so in my neighborhood, we have a coyote problem. Uh, I was told to call the sheriffs. I called the sheriffs. They told me that because it it was not an invasive species. They couldn't do anything about it. But coyotes are an invasive species to Florida. So, I called Florida Wildlife. Florida Wildlife then told me they couldn't do anything about it. I had to call a trapper. And so I went to call a trapper, but then they told me I have to pay to have the coyotes taken out. Well, the problem with all of this is I really didn't mind it because they're coyotes. Really not a big problem. They're dogs. But now the dogs have taken out everybody's chickens in the neighborhood. They have now pretty much taken out everybody's cats. And now we have one that literally will not allow me to come out of my house. They're getting aggressive. They're they're pinning people in their houses. And I have two babies. If my kids decide to go outside and play at 8:00 at night with their dad, then what what happens if the coyote attacks my kid? You know what I mean? It's it's getting to the point where they're they're too aggressive. there too many of them

and everybody I called to have something done about it told me they can't do anything and they also told me now at this point I have to come to you guys. So trying to figure out what can be done about these dogs. Our animal control is the county um that would be a it would be a county thing. the city goes we are under the well the county takes care of that and you they told me that I had to call Florida wildlife. I'm I'm getting a runound and that's where everybody has told me I have to come back to you. Yeah, it's Mrs. Pool. Yes, sir.

Um uh I'm what I'm going to ask of you is if the chief can get your information and we'll take a look at if it's something that the city can do from our side um and see if we can put something together and try to help you out. But I don't want to ask for your information over the microphone. [laughter] So, thank you. Phone number. All right. Thank you very much, Miss P. Oh, thank you. Nothing else for public forum uh consent agenda. Miss Adams, I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. All right. Thank you, Mr. Gaylord. I'll second.

All right. Thank you. Do we have a motion on the floor from Miss Adams and a second from Mr. Gaylord? All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Motion carry 70. All right. Next item is the action agenda non-consent ordinance number 2025-27, cleanliness and sanitation of premises. Mr. Kerry.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. And once again, I'm going to read the ordinance by title first. This is ordinance number 2025-27, an ordinance of the city of West Melbourne, Florida, relating to cleanliness and sanitation of premises, amending section 26-104 of the city code of the city of West Melbourne, relating to notice violation of owner, amending section 26-105 relating to hearings, providing for conflict, providing for subability, providing for codification and scriveners errors, and providing an effective date. And this ordinance um comes from the workshop that you all held uh where we had discussed the potential for having a citation program for yard waste. Um currently we can handle yard waste as a violation of the city codes through the code enforcement board process. But as you probably know the code enforcement board process is a kind of long and arduous and you have to go through several different steps before you can get to the hearing. And then once there's a hearing, there's opportunity to correct. So it's usually at least a couple months before a problem is really able to be corrected by the code enforcement board just by the nature of the way the process works. Uh this ordinance creates a citation program where a code enforcement or law enforcement officer um can issue a citation. Um uh usually when we have new citations, the process begins with warnings and then if the warnings don't solve the problem, they can issue a citation. Uh according to the direction I got at the workshop, the citation is in the amount of $20 for a first instance and a citation in the amount of $45 on second instance. um if the second violation occurs within five years of the first violation. And uh this does not prevent the code enforcement board or excuse me the officer from sending to this co to code enforcement board. And in fact, that would generally be the the third instance because if after two instances of citations, they still haven't fixed the issue, um you probably

need a heavier hand, which is the code enforcement can issue a daily fine that runs until they clean the the uh premises up to the satisfaction of the officer and the board. Um, but this does allow the uh city to quickly issue or or citations that will hopefully cause somebody to fix the issue and um so that we don't need to go through the several month process of a code enforcement board hearing for run-of-the-mill cases. And I'm happy to answer any questions that you have about this. And if anybody wants any uh changes to the, you know, any part of the ordinance, obviously we can do that for second reading. Um the ordinance right now is based on the feedback I believe we received at the workshop. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Miss Bolt.

Yeah, this I don't know. This whole thing just seems like we're identifying everything because of one specific area um doing this. But I remember when the guy from Waste Management was here, he said that they had something that when they saw a pile, they could put a like a a note on it or something that says you're going to pay $10 if you don't call and have this picked up. Do you know what ever happened with that? So, um he the waste management does have uh small signs that they're putting um when the yard waste pile isn't a clam truck pile. So, one of the issues that we have is people just put a couple pong palm prawns out and they really need to go into the brown container and so they have a sign to to identify that and then has some instructions that they need to get rid of that via using the brown container. So, that's one element uh that they have uh that they are now starting to uh use. Um, also a followup, uh, we have been working with, um, that gentleman who came from waste management, his name is Luigi. Uh, and we've been working with Luigi and Jordan. Um, Jordan's our our local government rep for waste management. And on a pilot basis, um, we've identified eight streets, um, in the northern part of the community, what we call the older growth part of the community. And as a pilot program for November, they are going to um if the truck is in that neighborhood, they're going to pick up any piles around it. They're not going

to drive by any piles. And they're going to evaluate that to see load capacity versus routing and how much that that messes with the overall schedule uh for the pickups uh as a trial basis. And then we're going to meet after the trial is done to see if if that's something that's feasible moving forward. So, kind of a two-pronged approach. We're trying to identify some of the areas areas of the community that are what I would call the frequent flyers of the issue with the yard debris um with with waste management doing a little bit more and then uh this ability to issue citations for the violators. Well, it it sounds like a really good idea that they're going to do that and and so I'm wondering if we should let them do that first and then come back and do this. Um uh I don't know and then

yeah I I think this is a go hand in hand for the city only from the aspect of you know we have we have two we tend to have two type of violators. the violator that just doesn't know the rules and the violator that doesn't care about the rules. And and it's easy to work with the first violator. You know, my mistake. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. I'll get it fixed.

This this gives us something to do for the violator who doesn't want to work with us because ultimately all these actions, you know, the goal is compliance, right? we're, you know, the city's budget is not going to be uh benefited, you know, one way or the other based on these citations. This is this is a reasonable citation amount to get someone's attention. You know, if it's just $5, they might just ignore us. You know, this isn't a type of offense that should be a $100 either. This is some $20 is, you know, hopefully, and again, what starts with a warning, starts with us working with them, and if they don't comply, then they would get a $20 ticket. And $20 is hopefully reasonable enough where it's it's not um financially that aggressive, but it's enough money to get their attention to have them comply.

So, are they going to do this like the whole month of November and then let us know or what? Yep. So, we're going to meet uh in December and and run through the numbers and see if this is something that's feasible for them and and how it worked out and the feedback and and any comments we we get from it. Perfect. I'm glad you're doing it. Thank you, Mr. Bentley. Thank you, Mayor. So, I think this is in line with what we asked Mr. Carrie to put together. So, um I would make a motion that we um approve the ordinance number 2025-27. Thank you. We have a motion. We have a motion from Mr. Bentley and second.

We have a second. I had to go with the light. You want to go miss? We have a second from Miss Voltz. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. That's why my light was on. I had a question. I'm sorry. We have a question. I didn't realize you I saw your light and thought it was for the second. Sorry. Okay. Um, Miss Adams,

my question was during the workshop I had brought up and I know that Mr. Roadie said $20 won't affect the city's budget one way or another, but I'm going to share the same concern now as I did during the workshop. For some of our residents, $20 may or may not make a difference. But I do think especially for those that are on a fixed income, 20 bucks, especially right now, is going to be a big deal. Is council willing to entertain an idea of bringing it down to 10 or 15? That was just something that I personally felt and I wanted to see if there was any other interest on council prior to taking the vote. But Miss Bos, did you want to put your light on? Did you?

Yes. I can see something wants to be Yeah, I I think that's a good idea. I think maybe we could look at that as soon as this other program that they're doing is over and see how that works and and then we can put it all together again and if if it's $5, it doesn't matter. $5 is, you know, better than $20. So, yeah. So, you're saying wait until we have the data to then go back to our own ordinance and drop it? Yeah, I think we can do that

rather than approach it now. Well, let's see. Yeah. Yeah. I think we I' I'd like to wait and see what Waste Management's going to do. All right. So, we have They're going to pick it all up anyway. There's not going to be any of those charges. Mayor, I'm having a hard time raising my hand. Um, yes, Mr. deem appropriate. Uh,

Miss Miss Magcguire and then followed by Mr. Francis. Thank you, mayor. Um, so just to clarify, so somebody in our code enforcement, law enforcement, whomever sees the pile, they give a warning. They say, "Hey, you need to call or put the ticket in with waste management, which is free, and get this picked up or put it in your bin." Then they see it again. Then they issue the citation. Correct. So realistically, fixed income or whichever If you call and do the service, you're not going to get the fine. Okay. Thank you. Correct. All right. Thank you, Miss Mr. Frampus.

Um I wasn't sure whether Miss Folultz was pulling her second or not. If if she was, I'll second it. And I I think the fines are appropriate. um they're getting plenty of chances uh along the way and if they can't afford the the fine they should clean up the yard waste appropriately. That's it. I was I was not pulling my second, but thank you. Okay, so we'll back up here. We're back to We have Well, we were about to We didn't We We started to We got but I don't think we actually did the I part. We got the I think we did. All right.

Technically, everyone said I don't hear anyone saying nay now. But all right. So motion carry 70. And I am so sorry that I s did not see your light in time. [snorts] It's only the first reading. It'll be There we go. First reading. Okay. All right. Um that was easy. All right. So we'll [laughter] go to the next which is council reports. Miss Folz. Um, yes. I thought that Heritage Days was really good. Um, but um, Tim, the guy from the water department who was passing out those little blue bracelets. His name. Who was he? His name's Guy. His name's Guy. [laughter] The guy.

The guy. Yes. He goes by both. [laughter] Anyway, I have that little blue bracelet sitting and every time I turn the water on, that little blue bracelet just looks at me and says, "Watch how much water you use." And it just is driving me crazy. [laughter] I just thought it was funny. But it really has helped me to watch. I used to turn the faucet on and just let the water run as I did whatever. But I'm not doing that. So I just want to thank you to that guy to Guy to Guy.

Yeah. For doing that. Um and also thank you to you and Mr. Kerry. the reports that you guys have given us, not the the weekly, you know, whatever. Um, it's the different reports that you're putting out. I just think that those are so valuable and I just want to let you know how much I appreciate those. We we thank that's all. Thank you, Mr. Bentley. No report, Mr. Gaylord. No report. Miss [snorts] Magguire,

uh, I will just echo that Heritage Days was a was a really good and well done event. Um, I would love to see I know we put the drone up and kind of can see approximately how many people are there, but I would love to kind of have numbers to actually like compare that year-over-year so we can really see how that's growing or shrinking or what's going on. Um, about 10,000. Okay. [laughter] about 10,000 maybe a little bit less about.

Uh yes, uh Mr. Bradford and I are working on a couple different ideas u that now that it's up and going and it would be nice to be able to track um kind of attendance year from here. And so we've been working on a couple different ideas other than uh the really old school way of just taking photos from the drone and counting on the screen. We want to try try to find something a little more official. Maybe you could give everybody a wristband and we'll have wristbands um you know count it up ahead of time and see how many we actually give out.

They have software for that. They have software that gets the ping from everyone's phone and they know they it even knows if it's a two-day affair and if they come the second day so it doesn't double count them. So what I hear is we're making Heritage Day a two-day event. Yeah. Right. No, no, [laughter] no, no, no, no. I just meant it was very sensitive software that it could eat. Very smart software. All right, Mr. Frampus, before I get myself in trouble here, Mr. Frampus. Thank you, Mayor. New report.

All right. Thank you, Miss Adams. Thank you, mayor. Thank for for your good sportsmanship. I think Mr. Roadie was starting to sweat as soon as we started talking about two-day Heritage Day. I will I will echo the same thoughts on Heritage Day. It was very wellrun in terms of staff preparedness. I know the whole team came together to make it happen. So, it was really great to see. We got a lot of great feedback from our residents that they loved attending. We got some great ideas for next year already. So, that's exciting. U also wanted to recognize I thought the council workshop went really well. that was right after that. I really enjoy those. It's a good discussion session. You know, it's it's really good, I think, for council to look at things more in the future that don't always make it onto a council agenda and we can take the time to discuss those things and they're still open to the public. So, I think that just went really well. So, I wanted to thank everybody for participating with that. Also wanted to let everyone know that we do have our first youth advisory board meeting on November 13th. It's going to be right here in the council chambers. So come and uh watch our first discussion as I kind of help set them set the stage and we have discussion of what that looks like. Um it's at six o'clock.

When is it? November 13th. It's a Thursday I believe. Uh, in terms of upcoming things to have on your radar, I know the Florida League of Cities has sent out and I brought it up last council report, but in case you wanted to sign up for the legislative uh, conference that's coming up the first week of December, it's going to be closing shortly. So, just a reminder if you would like to participate. Also, Nancy Pelonen and Pat with the Palm Bay Chamber have their retirement celebration. It's free. U, it's on November 15th, but they are asking that you RSVP. I believe that came to our council emails. So, just a heads up on that.

Um, and then I just had a note just about some staff appreciation. I think between Heritage Day, the different things that they're managing for the city, especially our parks department, our police department, um, they're handling resident questions. I know on a daily basis we heard at the last meeting people like Tammy were recognized um some of our other staff and then tonight from the water and and part and drainage departments we had heard about HR and all of the work that they're doing and how well they represent the city and I think it's just really great to recognize them and thank them for their work. I know that you know at the end of the year Mr. includes that as well. And I think you're working on some other staff appreciation things, but I just wanted to give them give them some appropriate staff recognition for the work that they do because I think they set us up to be a really great city that we are. So, those were my notes, mayor. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. I don't have much. I wanted to say that the pond where the all of the trees and things were taken down around the pond that's over at city hall across the street between the police station, whatever. It looks wonderful. That looks so nice with that new fence there and the fountain in it. It looks very nice. So much better. Um the street sweeper guy, the street sweeper with our own street sweeper. I love that guy. Wherever [laughter] he they came through our neighborhood. They did such a good job. I imagine that there's a schedule for the whole city so we can let different neighborhoods know when not to park or leave their things in the in the street.

Yep. We we just ask that you bear with us um Tom Bradford and his team and uh Mark and his team uh from the logistics of it. We're we're working through the process uh you know, we're trying a couple different routes. We're we're trying to get this dialed in and then uh we're going to be able to add some electronics uh to it to know uh be able to track it better and and get a schedule. And so, um, probably give us another month or two as we're working out the bugs and trying to figure out what the appropriate routing is before we, um, really settle into more of a consistent schedule. Thank you. But that'll be that'll be coming.

Thank him. Let him know how much I absolutely appreciate what a difference it's made on the on the street. So, thank you very much. A little bit of a learning curve. Yeah. And I also wanted to me comment on um, Heritage Day. Um, it was great. I loved going up in the basket up there and dumping the balls down there. I absolutely did. I'd like to see the chili cookoff return. We had chili cookoffs in past heritage days if that could return. That just an idea for whoever collecting ideas. Um and that's it. That's all I have to say. And uh Mr. Oh, Mr. Frampus, where did you go on my list? Oh. Oh, you you didn't have a report. I just saw his little face up there and I didn't want to miss him. Um if no one else has anything else to say, we are journed.