City Council - Regular Meeting

Everybody, I would like to call the April 7th, 2026 West Melbourne City Council meeting to order. If you can all please join me in the pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silent meditation. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

All right. Thank you. You may be seated. All right. Welcome to tonight's meeting of the city council. Members of the public are welcome to speak on any topic, whether it's on tonight's agenda or any issue that is important to you. Each person that wishes to speak should complete a speaker card, which is located over by the glass doors, um, and submitted ahead of time to the city clerk, who is right here on the end to the left of me. Um, after you have been recognized to speak, please use the microphone at the podium up front and clearly state your name and address for the record. Um, please address all of your comments to the city council rather than to individual members and direct all questions to the chair. Speakers will be given up to three minutes. All right. So, we have everybody present with Mayor Young participating via Teams or Zoom online. Um, Miss Adams,

we need a motion to approve her attending virtually for this meeting as well. Yes, we do. So, I'll make that motion. I'll second. Oh, hold on. I had Mr. Frampus' light on. Second. Thank you. All right. I have a motion from Miss Adams and a second from Mr. Frampus. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? All right. Motion carries. 6. Thank you.

All right. The first thing that we have on the agenda tonight is presentations, proclamations, and introductions. We have the recognition of the graduates of the Citizens Leadership Academy. Mr. Odie, don't forget your certificates. I'll bring them down.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor, members of the council, and mayor online. We uh appreciate that. So, um we have quite a group that participated this year and graduated. And so what I'm going to have is I'm going to have our city clerk, Miss Alexander, come up and uh read out their names. And as your name is called, if you could come up, I will give you your certificate. And then uh I'll say a little bit about the class. So I should probably grab the certificates. Mr. Bo Graham. Oh, Miss Patricia Endorf Dorsy,

come on up. This is your moment. Your moment. Miss Parivas Jamnia. Miss Ana Johnson,

Mr. Rodie, are they gonna Mr. Amodin? We'll get a picture at the end here.

Yes, we will. Miss Alisa Modí, Miss Jennifer Modí, and Mr. Jonathan Modí, Mr. Cortaz Ross, Mr. Alan Seagull, Miss Nicole Van Buskerk, Mr. John Vanderil, Mr. Charles Walker, and Mr. Marvin Wright. We'll call back.

All right. So close.

All right. So, while I say a little bit about the class, if I could have the class all come back up so we can get a great big picture uh for like graduation ceremony. Um so, as we know uh every year we put on a citizens um leadership class uh and we get great participation. So, come on up and just line up right here. Um, we go through a six- week uh series of lessons and interesting facts about the city and we break it down by department. And uh this group has been phenomenal. Uh just some amazing questions, some amazing uh back and forth about our our great community, the city of West Melbourne, and and what we do. And so we have all the department heads come and present their information. And then of course the police department always steals the day with somehow the K9 is always available. uh to make us look bad. But my favorite part is the ending. Um we the last class is at the sewer plant and we do a tour of the sewer plant and and learn what happens uh to sewage. And while it doesn't sound very nice and it doesn't smell very nice. It's a very interesting tour and we're looking forward to future years. is I've given an invitation to all the the the graduates that they will be able to come and get a tour of the water plant here in another couple of months when we uh get ready to open and do that. And so um couldn't say enough about this group. Uh really appreciate them coming and being active and learning about the city. And uh we put a a plug in there for uh committees. We have a lot of committees in the city and we're always looking for good people. Um, so hopefully we'll see we'll see you all soon on on a committee moving forward. And so if I could ask the deputy mayor to come in so we could get a nice photo of this moment.

Thank you. Thank you all. Another round of applause. Uh great class. A shameless plug. We also do a police uh citizens academy which a lot of the members of this group had participated in uh last year and we run that in the fall and then we run the citizens academy in the uh spring.

All right. And next up we have a proclamation for fair housing month. I believe we have some representatives from the Space Coast Association of Realators if you guys want to come up and join me. And I will read this proclamation. All right, you got to admit you don't get to take a picture yet. All right, I will go and read this proclamation. Whereas April 11th, 2026 marks the 58th anniversary of the passage of the Fair Housing Act, affirming a national policy of fair housing for all. And the Fair Housing Act of 1968 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. And this act ensures equal housing opportunities for all and promotes fair practices in the sale, rental, and financing of houses. And the Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 strengthened these protections through expanding rights and enforcement. And Fair Housing advances equal opportunity, removes barriers, and supports diverse, healthy, and economically stable communities. And whereas the city of West Melbourne fully supports the intent um and purpose of the federal fair housing act, state and local fair housing laws and follows policies and practices in order to achieve these goals. So I want to say thank you guys. I signed it for you and you guys get your proclamation. We'll talk about

Thank you for the support. All right. I believe we have no modifications to the agenda tonight. So, we will go ahead and move into the public hearings section. Um, let's see. No, not on that. Perfect. Um, all right. So, first up, we've got the approval of a gated community. I believe Miss Fischer, you have our report for us.

Yes. So, for the record, um, Christy Fischer, I'm the planning director for the city. Um, I typ typically do a little presentation so everyone can follow along and this is reflected in the staff report. Um, I'll tell you a little bit about the conversation that I had with the applicant before the meeting started. Um, so again, this is the subdivision that, you know, a couple months ago, we just knew it as the LAR Homes, West Melbourne Town Homes. They would like to call it Avenue West. Um, this is the property that is located on the west side of John Rose Boulevard. So, you can see that on the aerial and as a sort of landmark, you can see Sheridan Lakes across the street, Greenwood Village. So, this is north of that. Uh, the applicant has three requests. So remember, we bring things to you that are stated either in the land development regulations or the comprehensive plan. So the three requests are the gated community. That's something that we have as a policy in the comprehensive plan there. That's why it comes to you. Um the subdivision name, and that's something that council in the past with a subdivision would vote on. So now it's going to be a separate vote in the uh subdivision street name. So a as a reminder the gated community and you know making sure that we have gated communities that are sort of designed properly. You know council of course supports it but we've had some proposals that literally would put the cars just about in the street um from the gate. So we you know in 2015 is actually when we started this and in 2018 we had some updates. There's really three sections. It's a point system uh that an applicant has to show that they comply with. So part of it has to do with emergency st responders. The second part is stacking of cars. The third part is the connection of sidewalks and bike

paths so that this community isn't just isolated. So the proposed gate features in two locations. Uh you have one I'm going to use the the cursor to kind of circle in the middle of their subdivision gate. They're going to have a pedestrian gate, which makes sense because then you have access to the the city park um that's going to have a sidewalk around this pond. And the other one is a combination um at the south end of the property of their driveway leading up to a gate and also leading up to a pedestrian gate. Uh so pretty typical in terms of you know gates. This particular drawing is in your um staff report and I know it's difficult to see but there's a photo that shows the gate as having it used to be called the railroad arms that came down. Um I just talked to the applicant and we're talking about since we had a recommendation for a gate type about them having that plus you know sort of like an enhanced gate behind it. So the the gate feature for you the emergency access that's my first bullet that I say that the gate feature provides the override uh for emergency access. So the big thing with Bvoulevard County is they want to have a click to enter. That's a kind of a a radio operated ability to enter into the subdivision. Um and then there's a few other items that they may have or may not but that that's the most important. Um, the second item is that remember how I said sometimes these gate proposals have been such that you're almost stacking cars into the adjacent road. This one doesn't. It allows for up to 17 cars to stack in a queue waiting to enter. And that's more than enough. I mean, we want five to 10 cars. This has 17. So, it checks that box. And they

also have their five- foot sidewalks at the project entrance. And then we talked about, you know, how this is going to connect to John Rhodess, how it's going to connect to the city park. Um, so they they had told us that the front entrance uh would consist of a black aluminum picket fencing. I didn't realize that it was really going to be this image of the railroad. So, these arms that come down are going to be augmented, but I'll have the applicant come up and tell you a little bit more about that. Um, what we were talking about in the staff report is that we noticed that with this particular brand of fence that they have, what the applicant showed on their drawings, um, or a slight embellishment at the top here. And that's what I was asking for is that slight embellishment. Um, and it's not that it has to be all around the property because in the development agreement, they already identified a fence that looks like this, but it it's really most of this is a visual impact, you know, from the street. And so that's what we're asking for. Um, this hold harmless agreement is something that the city now requires with any of these gates. And that really has to do more with, you know, not holding the public agencies um accountable in case there is for some reason a reason to go into that subdivision without having that click to enter. So that's what a lot of that has to do with this is the scoring that we do, you know, and that that bottom sentence is if a project scores 13 points or higher, the council would normally allow a gated community. So staff's opinion is this score is 15 points. Um and like I said this seems to do what we want it to do. Now moving on because like I said there's three items. Uh moving on to the

subdivision name. There's a section of the code that says that city council has to approve the name. Luckily this developer already knows what their name is going to be in terms of their branding. And you know, we looked at Aphne West and remember when count when city staff looks at it's through sort of narrow lens. Is it something that's offensive? Is it something that's duplicative? It's none of those items. So, you know, it it's may not be really applicable to West Melbourne in terms of calling it Avenue West, but you know, there's no reason to not allow it. And then the same thing with the street name. The street name actually goes first to Bvard's E 911 because they have to approve. Remember, they've got that countywide system. They don't want to be responding to two Makoa drives that might be, you know, within three miles of each other. So, that's the whole reason why we always have an applicant go first through the county, make sure there's not duplication of names. If the county says it's okay, and again, it's not objectionable, etc., then that's typically going to be the name. and they only have one street. So that's why Makoa Drive is going to be their internal loop road. So in conclusion, um we're asking for these three items to be approved under one motion. Um if you all want to have some discussion about it, we certainly can. And I believe that the applicant, you know, could answer some of your questions if you you have. we could kind of point on the drawing um where that embellishment would be on the gate.

Does the applicant wish to speak now or I mean you can do both. Would you like to say something now? Always happy to talk. My name is Anna Saunders with BSE. Appreciate your uh attention this evening. And as Christie was talking, this is great. I can actually walk over live out my best Vanna White moments. Um You can't see. You don't have it on your screen. I have to do it here.

You can't see what I'm pointing to. All right. Well, let's see how I can do Let's see what I do descriptively. So, the the circle at the bottom of the screen that covers uh is identifying the gate. That is the location where Miss Fischer was talking about doing the embellishment. We have no problem with that. We're happy to agree to that. Put in that embellished gate that I think you called it was an echelon perhaps if I'm pronouncing it properly with the little circles at the top. More than happy to do that. Um, in addition to that, along parallel to the rideway, we'll also have that be the embellished portion of the uh the fence as well and make that a six-foot fence section. If you'll remember, um, back in January, we were in front of you with the development agreement, the concept plan, all of those things. And so, the other portion of the fencing that goes between the sidewalk and the pond, that is a 4ft aluminum fence that will have a kooa hedge on the um, home side of that. Um, and I think that the six foot fence to the the forefoot there will tie in nicely. So again, we don't have any issues that happy to provide that for you.

All right. Well, this is a public hearing. I do not have any cards up here, but does anybody from the public wish to speak on this topic? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. Um, all right. So, it looks like they are asking for a motion to approve numbers one through three. Um, what is the wishes of the council? Miss Vultz, I I just have a question. Um, just out of curiosity, the name of this drive, Makoa Drive, was there a specific reason for that?

So, I I quickly before I came uh this evening looked up the origin of that name. In Hawaiian, it means brave. Um, I will tell you it's very challenging to get a street name approved in Bvard County. Not only do they look at just your the city that you're in, but you're not allowed to duplicate a street name within anywhere within Boulevard County. Um, so the street naming um, conventions have gotten pretty creative and they've got a a long list of criteria that are required and this guy met the mark. It's easy to spell. It's only five letters. It won't be, you know, 26 characters long. It'll be easy to see on the street sign. Um, and it was one of the approved choices. I don't have a better reason than that. I I just thought maybe it was somebody's name or something. Who

is I don't know. Maybe somebody's name somewhere along the line. Somebody's name. That's a probability. Okay. Association. Yeah. Um Okay. So, I would like to go ahead and um Is it okay to make a motion now? Okay. Make a motion that we go ahead and improve approve the gated community. Uh, approve the subdivision name, Avenue West, and approve the street name, Makoa Drive, Mr. Frampus. I agree, Helen. The name doesn't match the name of the community for the thing, but I'll second it. That name is probably taken that if it was going to be Avenue West, the county probably would have said no.

They probably could have changed the name of the development to meet the road name. I don't know. I'll second. Um, Miss Adams, just a quick clarification on the gate because I know in the photo you've got the, for lack of terms, the the railroad arm and then we're putting in the embellished gate. So, we are putting in both of those things. Okay. Right. But they're also putting in the embellished gate behind it. Yeah. Right. That's correct. So, why both?

So, the purpose of that is really day-to-day traffic. residents want to be able to get in and get out of their gate that right in a a relatively quick manner. Um, and having the embellished gates will be closed in the evenings has that more uh secure feeling to it. They actually, you know, it shuts in entirety. The call, we call it a one-armed bandit. You're calling it a railroad gate. Um, it really just day-to-day traffic. It makes it easier for Amazon to get in, FedEx, yourself, your kids driving in and out. It opens much quicker. It just provides ease of access. So your goal is during the day to only have the one arm down and then at night correct in the evening those gates will be closed. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Christy, do we have any other HOAs with neighborhoods within West Melbourne that have dual No gates like that? We don't.

Okay. separate. But we do have other neighborhoods that have two. No, not that I'm aware, but you know, council member Frampus may be aware. They have an arm that comes down. Okay.

If there's a concern with that, we're more than happy to work with Christie and staff to just, you know, determine if we think the double gated component is too much. Maybe it is in this particular circumstance. It seems weird to me, but if it's the ornamental gate, we can certainly do that. So, if you'll give us the flexibility to work with Christy and her team on that, I'm happy to do so. To me, it seems weird, but I'm just one person, and I was just wondering your reasoning behind it. I was also thinking, and I don't know, I'm hoping this is not an issue for the neighborhood, but we have multiple neighborhoods that have u issues with people coming in and out and taking the gate out and there then it takes a while to get it replaced. So, I'm just thinking about the cost of replacing one piece of pure gate versus multiple pieces is not uh costefficient.

I will tell you the one-armed bandit piece is not nearly as expensive to replace if you run into it as the bulgate. That's fair. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I see no more lights. So, I have a motion from Miss Voltz and a second from Mr. Frampus. All those in favor signal by saying I.

I. All oppose say nay. Motion carries 70. All right. Now into the public forum. I do not have any speaker cards specific to the public forum. So we will go ahead and move into the consent agenda. Uh Mr. Frampus, make a motion. Can we accept the consent agenda as written? Miss Adams. I'll second. All right. I've got a motion from Mr. Frampus, second from Miss Adams. All those in favor say I. I.

All oppose say nay. Motion carries. 70. All right. Moving into the action agenda. Um, first thing I have on here is the triparty agreement regarding sanitary sewer service for the Dr. Horton development, the pines. Uh, Mr. Rodie.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor, members of the council. Um, so before you this evening is an agreement that we have called the triparty agreement between the city of Melbourne, Dr. Horton and the beautiful city of West Melbourne, Florida, involving providing sewer service for a new development west of Sawrass on Norfolk called the Pines. Uh as part of the continuing march forward of the proposed development, the Pines, at some point it was determined that Melbourne did not have sufficient sewer infrastructure in that area to be able to service it. Uh there was a meeting between the three entities of which um uh Melbourne was okay with West Melbourne taking the sewer uh flow and m maintaining and keeping the water for themselves. And so we began putting this agreement together. Um ultimately all three uh parties have agreed to this uh contract if you will. And so a couple of relevant items of note for this triparty agreement um is one that it's it's in perpetuity. So we will provide sewer service uh as long as that development is there which hopefully will be a long time if it happens. Uh the second item is that the residents that live in that development will only get one utility bill. So they will the city of Melbourne will build them and collect those fee. They collect that sewer fee and then write one check to the city of West Melbourne. So not to so that's intended to avoid any confusion for residents who live there getting multiple bills being confused. Uh ultimately when the infrastructure is permitted and approved through the city of West Melbourne for the sewer portion, uh we will have

easements and they will like other traditional developments that happen within the community. They will turn those assets over to the city of West Melbourne for the city of West Melbourne to maintain and operate uh moving forward. And so uh ultimately one of the other provisions along with the monthly uh fee for sewer service which is based on their water usage. Um we will be collecting our our uh ordinance for a $3,000 sewer connection per uh per CO. So uh ultimately we'll get that revenue for the infrastructure for the the sewer plant uh maintenance and operation. Uh this has been a good agreement to work on with both Melbourne and Dr. Horton. Uh I think we've worked out uh many of the kinks along the way and so asking for uh city council to approve this item.

Um before I get to council, we actually have two speaker cards on this item. Um if I can have Mary Johannison, would you like to speak? if you can come to the microphone and please state your name and address for the record. Thank you.

Hello, I'm Mary Johannison. I live at 2990 Indiana Street in Melbourne, Florida, zip code 32904. Um, I just want to bring to the attention of um the city council so that we're on the same page with information. Um, there is a strip of private property that lies between the Pines East and the Pines West. It's owned by the Florida Gas Transmission Company and it's referred to as Ranch Road on the south side of Canal 63, but it's actually their private driveway. So, the sewer line that's shown u goes across private land at this point. I understand the developer will work that out, but I just want to make sure that everybody is aware of that at this point. So, that's the end of my comment.

Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Uh my second speaker is Paul Johannes. Mr. Ry, does that affect anything that we're doing as far as No. Typical of any subdivision assemblage, they have to create any easements or anything that would be turned over to us. So, we're not involved until the project is permitted and finished and then uh sold to the city for $10. All right. Same thing. If you can please state your name and address for the record.

My name is Paul Johannes. I'm her better half. I live at this address tonight. I do. Um so I'll expand on what she said as well. Um that is a concern that you should be aware of. Uh the other part of it is in the application for the development and the annexation to Melbourne uh for the Pines development that road access is not allow any pedestrian or vehicle traffic north of canal 63. So in the police foundation west. Okay. So, not too sure how that's going to happen with the rightway access and all that for the sewer system. Um, but you should take that into consideration as well. Okay. Thank you.

All right. With that, Mr. Bentley.

Thank you, Mr. Rody. How far are we from capacity at the sewer plant? So we're about a 3.3 million gallon um plant on an average for capacity. We are as part of the BNR project that is under construction now uh giving us more capacity. Our typical flow is about 2.2 mill million gallons in a day. And so, um, we certainly have the capacity, uh, to take this project on as a lot of our development here at the end is going to end up being, uh, a little bit more commercial and industrial than than originally thought. uh as far as uh west of 95 than residential. Uh ultimately uh you know the the city of West Melbourne will ultimately need to expand the sewer plant one more time in the next 10, 15, 20 years, but these 810 homes would are not a reflection of why that would need to happen. So we we continue to grow, but we also always want capacity in the sewer plant. And once we reach our final build out, we may need to add one more basin to to collect into. Um but whether the whether these 810 homes come in or not would not be reflective of needing that final expansion. And are they permitted since we're obligated no matter what basically at that point if they expand past 811 homes

we're okay it it is for 811 homes I guess you're saying if they go like another

I didn't know if they expanded five years from now are we going to be prepared for that? Yeah, if if there were to be additional development in that area, Melbourne is in the process of trying to get sewer infrastructure to this area, uh, which I'll just generally refer to as as west of this and east of the Parkway and, um, north of Norfol and south of 192. Uh, they are trying to work to get infrastructure and I think ultimately they will get infrastructure there. Um, but if there is a Pines West uh that someday develops, we would have to evaluate that separate. But this agreement is for 811 homes only.

And we're obligated for our rules to only be able to charge 10% over what we charge people within the city limits of West Melbourne. You are correct. Our city ordinance uh has a 10% premium for non-residents. The state just recently passed, I believe it's 25%. Yeah, the state just recently passed a cap of 25% is the most you can charge for non-residents. Um, but we have had a long-standing tradition of 10% uh per the city code.

Thank you, sir. Uh, with that, Deputy Mayor, I'd make a motion that we provide the sewer service for the Pines project in the city of Melbourne. Thank you, Mr. Francis a second with a couple questions. Go ahead. So along the lines of um what was said we have a bunch of housing projects coming online here pretty soon. Three that I know of.

Three town hall projects. Um, it's how well what where did you say we were at with capacity and and is that going to put us close to capacity or not? So, we're a we're a 3.3 3.5 million capacity plant and we're averaging about 2.2 with 32,000 people right now. Yeah. So, it it's, you know, while I would not want 811 homes of sewage to show up in my backyard tomorrow, uh, or one home of sewage to show up in my backyard tomorrow, um, this doesn't work out, it's going

in the in the big picture of the plant, uh, this is a very small percentage. Um, how many lift stations in this community are we going to be taking responsibility for? I know there was one in West Melbourne on Norfolk. Is there how many within the community? So, there'll be three lift stations that feed into our lift station that's already in existence in West Melbourne. In the city of Melbourne in in the city of Melbourne. So that's additional costs we're going to have down the road, but would be funded through the

the user the monthly user fee. Uh I think this is a good deal for West Melbourne. I I know that uh Melbourne was trying hard to get their sewer down here in time, but uh doesn't look like they can meet the timelines that uh the contractor wants. So, uh I think this is a good deal as long as we're not considering this as part of a greater deal to approve other projects uh down the road or other things relating to this down the road. So, that's it. All right. What uh Miss Adams,

just a quick question. Thank you. Um, knowing that, knowing that Melbourne currently doesn't have the ability to service this neighborhood, we would if we decide not to. I mean, they don't have any other option. Correct. I think

I agree with Mr. Frampus. I think it makes sense, but I just want to make sure. Do they have any other options or this is their option? I yeah, I don't want to speak for the developer or for Melbourne, but um it's not typical for a municipality to allow another municipality to pro provide service. And so I think um I think this is a good opportunity for us, but my guess would be the an answer would be at some point Melbourne would expedite that project and try to get sewer to that area. I think the challenge as we have discovered in in West Melbourne is running sewer infrastructure for a lot of development is cost effective. Running sewer infrastructure for one development is not cost-effective.

Are they expecting any further development in the near future in that area or do we not know? I I do not know. I mean this I'm just thinking if we're going to be connecting there, you know. Yeah. I I don't know. But but certainly any anything outside of the 811 would be a a separate agreement, another item that would come in front of this body. Understood. Thank you, Mr. Bentley. Yeah, Mr. This belongs to us forever regardless of whether they develop service in the area or not. Correct. Thank Thank you. This is in perpetuity.

Uh so I have a motion from Mr. Bentley, a second from Mr. Frampus. All those in favor, please say I. I. All oppose say nay. Motion carries. 70. Um next we have the Norfolk Parkway improvements. Mr. Roadie.

All right. Thank you, Deputy Mayor and members of the council. So before you this evening, a second item regarding uh the pines and the development. As you recall about 10 months ago, uh Dr. Horton and their team was uh present in front of this council to discuss the possibility of this Pines's development. Uh one of the items that the city has was an uh an ordinance in place regarding uh extending developments into other communities that use our roadways. And at that time, uh, the city council, uh, and the developer agreed, uh, to wave that stipulation in exchange for the developer building, uh, the ultimate buildout of Norfolk, which is, um, three major intersection improvements, the school, Shallow Creek, and Minton, as well as forlaning the project. And so as uh that action took place then moving forward uh the development became uh more of a reality as they worked through the approval process in the city of Melbourne uh to get this development moving forward. One of the items of contention as just mentioned was utilities and at one point in time it was talked about uh water and sewer. ultimately they had water capacity and so uh we got through that hurdle or I should say the developer got through that hurdle and then ultimately now I think it is um within a couple of months uh of going back to the city of Melbourne with its uh development approval and development agreement and so one aspect of that um that we don't have in a normal development is we would have a development agreement which would stipulate uh how things are built and timelines of

of those measurements because this is not a development in the city of West Melbourne. We don't have access to that. So we approached it uh by an action of the council for the site plan of the road improvement which uh articulates uh the improvements the school shallow creek signalized intersection and the adjustment of Mitten uh working through the county and then the ultimate fourlaning of the project. Um, with that also came a uh timetable that they uh that both staff and the developer had discussed u which ultimately is before you this evening along with some of the drawings of the key areas again Creek Minton uh and the ultimate uh fourlaning of the project and I just want to I'm scrolling so bear with me one second. The relevant time frames are um once development has been approved by the city of Melbourne, which is my understanding in the next uh month or two, the clock would start and they would have up to three years or 300 cos, which are just finished homes for sale. So, certificates of occupancy to complete the Shallow Creek uh signalized and fourlane section of Shallow Creek and the construction of the um improvements at Minton. And then at 10 years or 810 or 811 COS, they would have to have completed the full for laning of the rest of Norfolk. And so that that item is before you this evening. The developer and their team, they look a lot bigger from this perspective. I don't I I think it's just

four of them, but the development team is here um as well to answer any questions. Uh and I'd be happy to answer any that I can. All right. We also have two speakers on this item as well. Um it looks like it's Mary and Paul again. I don't Do you guys wish to speak again? Okay, Mary.

Yes, Mary Johannes. Uh 2990 Indiana Street, Melbourne, Florida. Um so I applaud the council for setting milestones with the developer for um expansion um improvements into the Nor Parkway. the piece that goes to the west Melbourne boundary. Um there is discussion I believe in a study underway by the city of Melbourne looking at the extension from basically the Pines's entrance just west of West Melbourne to the Nor Parkway or excuse me extending the Norfolk Parkway to the St. John's Heritage Parkway. Um I don't I've heard different time frames in which that study will be completed. Um and I believe initially it will be uh two lanes and then expanded to four lanes. However, it would be connecting into the parkway. So of course that's county. There's hurdles to get through for that. Um addressing earlier comments or questions regarding um sewer. So, I have the Plat Ranch. If you ignore all my scribbles here, the Plat Ranch is close to 4,000 acres under the city of Melbourne when they annexed it. The Plat Ranch from I believe it was in 2016 it formally occurred. There were provisions associated with this and it's under the city of Melbourne's comprehensive plan, excuse me, future land use development and it's under 1.11.6 Plat Ranch Community Center that has very strict stipulations as to the amount of housing and the types of housing. a requirement for a school. Um

actually a requirement to have an arterial road connecting north south to 192 which is of course EPOT. Um but in order to do any development on any piece of that land, a comprehensive plan uh development plan has to be submitted to the city of Melbourne that covers the whole Plat Ranch except for the little 300 acres that got excluded, right, which is the east pud of the Pines development. And then what just got annexed is the uh western which uh was county and that's known as the Crawford Nursery by the local neighborhood that I live in. So timing on all of this um there's a lot of work obviously there's a lot of uh constraints associated with it and the city of Melbourne is actually required under this plat branch uh community action center to provide both water and sewer to the entire plat branch developers and the owners property owners will be required to pay for the connection to those to those services or those utilities. So that answers your question as to whether West Melbourne is going to be doing that. However, I do want to point out until that is developed and until there is access to St. John's Heritage Parkway, Northfor Parkway is the only means of ingress and egress to the Pines's development for police and fire services. So, city of Melbourne police, I'm not sure about the fire, which fire station does

that, um, but would be coming down North fork Parkway. So, I don't know if that is taken into account as well. Um, another piece of data, the east or the the east part of the pud and the west part of the putt of the pines are actually in different school districts. So the boundary even though it's connected you know the whole development is one current property boundaries are in two different school districts for both elementary school and high school just things to be aware of and um to keep in mind in future reviews.

Perfect. Thank you. Um Paul guessing most of that applies to Melbourne as opposed to West Melbourne. Correct, Mr. Attorney? Yes. And the school board as well as far as the school lines go.

Paul Johannison, same address as the last time. Um, so what she said with respect to the Plat Ranch and the overall comprehensive plan, you have a bunch of unknown unknowns and they're all going to want to go east west on the Norfick Parkway when it's finished. So I don't know how that's going to impact West Melbourne, but I see West Melbourne becoming a stomping ground for the city of Melbourne. So that's that's my viewpoint with respect to adding homes and extending the Norfick Parkway and I know that it would relieve some of the traffic and allow the development. What's the impact going to be on Minton Road right out here at 3:00 when it gets shut down to one lane and 192 when the Parkway North Parkway gets connected to the Heritage Parkway? Where are they going? I know what I experience. They're going east on 192 through West Melbourne. We can't get out of our neighborhood today. It's backed up all the way past the Space Coast Town Center. And just a point of note, today driving here, they were backed up from 95 to Tractor Supply going west. Okay, so Norfick Parkway, this intersection down here at Mitten Road with more development without a comprehensive plan is just going to be more of a problem is what my viewpoint is. I kind of look at it like the children's book. If you give a mouse a cookie, that's my viewpoint on this topic. I could go on. I at the Melbourne City Council meeting. I want you guys to envision this. Melbourne Police Department responding

to a 911 call can wave to their brothers in blue as they drive to the Norfick Parkway because the only way to get in and out of there is going to be the Norfick Parkway. And I'll remind you again, the application to the city of Melbourne says no access on Ranch Road. My recommendation is to close the covert at canal 63 and then the Florida Gas Transmission Company can work it out with you guys and work it out with City of Melbourne and the developer and all that heavy equipment and that daily traffic to and from that can drive through their development have access to Norfick Parkway with easy access north, south, east, and west without being forced to make a right hand turn on 192 at the I95 interchange. So, put that in your thought process here tonight. Thank you.

Thank you. Um All right, Mr. Frampus,

Mr. Rodie. Um well, let me just start by reading u an email I sent to Mr. Rodie earlier. um states uh I know that Srass Lakes Community Association has not agreed to the temporary construction easement or traffic signal easement presented by Dia Horton through the plans by the construction engineering group. Uh nor has the developer made contact with the association on this matter. So, uh, in our packet, they represent that there's the potential for easements. Um, but, uh, no contact has been made, uh, to discuss those easements. Uh, I also stated, uh, apparently what is being presented to council on the April 7th meeting is incomplete as the documents I have, uh, are different from those being presented to council, which I've learned recently that u, that was three weeks ago. and this thing's moving quickly and apparently they were updated since I received the last copies. So, um I'm guessing there's more than just three pictures, but uh council should be provided with all the plans of this project and not just a few select few. I also believe that the timelines provided for the milestones of the project are unacceptable and inconsistent with what the public was promised. three years or 300 occupancy permits for the traffic light and Norfolk Mitten intersection improvements and then 10 years or 181 occupancy permits for school traffic improvements and the expansion of Norfolk Parkway to four lanes. I mean, think about that. We're already having traffic problems and we want to wait 10 years before we open up this road to four lanes. says, "All of which should be simply unacceptable, and I'm surprised it is being presented tonight." Uh, West Melbourne being promised the sewer rights for this

project is not just cause for the burden that will be placed on the West Melbourne residents, Pineapple Cove travelers or residents of the Pineapple or the Pines, the new development. Uh, during those time frames and our word on improvements which you, Mr. uh and and many of us have told our residents at various meetings. So, you know, just a little history back in 2002 or 2003, uh through discussions, uh Mr. Bentley puts put forth a motion that ultimately resulted in the city funding the traffic light at Shallow Creek and and Mint or Norfolk. Um, we've already promised the residents there was going to be a traffic light there. It was supposed to be two years ago and then we it got delayed because of uh uh COVID I believe and the ability to get the parts in a timely fashion and then uh 2004 was also on our budget to do and then at the end of that it uh they started negotiations where Dr. Horton would pay for the traffic light. Now, we're going to make residents wait another three years for this traffic light. It's just unacceptable. It should be happening at the beginning of this project, not at the end of the project or not three years into the project. Um, you know, I don't and I don't see any verbiage in this agreement that states about the construction vehicles not being able to use Norfolk Parkway because to my recollection, it was always supposed to be the construction vehicles were going to be mandated to use a construction road that went from the Pines project to Heritage Parkway. Is that not uh still being

That's in the That's in the original agreement, but it's not in this agreement. This is just the timetable and the and the drawings, but it's not stating anywhere that construction vehicles won't be on this road, right? We we would be happy to add that. I I don't think that would be a

I I think that was a big part that we would didn't want. and you know to to you know what was said here tonight by the two residents that spoke that the additional traffic on Minton and you know during 3:00 time hours I mean we currently there is a traffic problem on Northark just based on the school expansion uh with the extra 400 people they're adding to their roles uh they're you know getting out of the the community there one way in one way out it's It's a problem now and to make the residents wait another three years beyond what they were promised seems to be ridiculous to me and I won't be able to support this. Thank you,

Miss Adams. Thank you, Mr. Roie. Do we know why the developer has not been in if it is true that they have not been in touch with Srass HOA? And I ask because yes, we we look at things from a whole West Melbourne perspective as part of council. However, I think we can all recognize any work done on Norfolk Parkway that impacts Shallow Creek is going to directly impact what do you have just just about thousand homes back there and 33.

That's a significant, you know, amount of our community. And so I want to be sensitive to the fact that to me that seems like an important piece that might be missing. Um, I would agree with Mr. Frampus in my notes looking at that timeline knowing that this is going to impact not only the people that live there, but the people that use these heavy roads in West Melbourne that we recognize as a council we don't have control over those, you know, changing a lot of that traffic pattern. But we do have an opportunity to work with the developer to say, "Hey, we understand your timeline. However, that's not going to work for our residents." And I I think we've got to have some flexibility on that timeline looking at I I agree. I think if we're going to prioritize the project and I think it could be a good project that that three years has got to be bumped up. I would if it's doable within that first year and I think 10 years is just when you think about the length of time for a project and the residents impacted over that timeline. I mean, we'll have some residents that will move into the city, stay here, and potentially move out of the city depending on work before that gets done. That's a long amount of time. I'd like to see that move down to five or six years. Personally, that's just my opinions on that. But I think if if we haven't been in touch with the HOA and seeing the questions raised by Mr. Trampus, who I understand, you know, lives there and may hear probably more about it from his neighbors, the residents who come from Melbourne with their concerns. I don't know how the developer wants to address those. I know they're in the audience. I'd love to hear from them. Um, that's just my opinion, but I have some concerns.

Yep. I think you have uh two questions. One um the developer reaching out to the HOA and the second is the time frame. So, I will defer the second question. And I'll answer the first question first, but I'll defer the second question over uh to the development team to uh to add to this conversation. Um the proposed improvements uh do not go onto the private property right of way. So the fourlaning that the um the signalized intersection um was able to be shifted into the right of way and so it didn't require any land from the HOA. the the one element I believe is still an an item that um sounds like it's going to be in the HOA's right of way is just the 4ft tall push button for the walk don't walk button. Um, but other than that, the entire development has been sh the entire road expansion has been shifted to be out of the HOA right away.

And I understand that, but I think there's a difference between legally required and being a good neighbor and developer coming in that area. That's just my I'll defer the second question over to the developer on timeline. Deputy mayor, can we pull them up for questions? Yeah. Do you guys have a representative that would like to come up? I do just want to say, Mr. already that you presented us with documents that say with and without HOA approval. So,

yeah. And I and again I won't speak for the developer um but it was discussed that if the devel if the HOA would like the double lanes coming out of um Shallow Creek that they are willing to do that if if they were granted an easement to be able to do that work on on obviously private what I would call private property. Um they're happy to do that. Uh otherwise they would you know happy to continue with the project and not touch private property and and stay off of it. Hi if you can state your name and company address for the record please.

Thank you. Jake Wise, civil engineer for the Northfor Parkway project uh with CEG engineering group and uh I was taking notes on all your questions. So appreciate that. Um tonight are basically understand there was already an agreement that has been put together and so we're coming here tonight for an update on that. At the time the agreement was made there was discussions about maybe a roundabout at Shallow Creek intersection with Norfolk Parkway and uh or if we're going to end up with an intersection. So we did study that and there's just not enough land in the public right of way to do the roundabout. So we ended up with a T intersection with a traffic signal. And so we did ask um as Mr. Frampus identified to be able to obtain easements um for the intersection improvements and temporary construction easements as well to make the work easier to make the maintenance of traffic simpler and just a little uh little simpler and less difficult for the residents. Uh but for whatever reason that was denied. So we had to go back to the drawing board and come up with a design that would work within the right of way that didn't need any easements at all. So that is what has been brought before you. Uh that did take some time. It has only come up over the last few weeks. Um so we have been able to come up with a design that did not need any easements um from the HOA.

What was actually denied the uh request for the easements for denied by who? It's a just my understanding I wasn't involved directly that we had I don't think there's ever been a meeting. Okay.

So this the wasn't supported then as far as I'm aware to allow us to use the easements for the improvements in the construction. I apologize. I didn't realize that. Um so what um we proposing is to do the traffic signal and we want to do the roadway projects. They want to make it it better for the Pines project. They want to be able to have better access. They want to be able to not have backups like they're already having. And we think the traffic signal and the main road intersection improvements alone in the first phase would be significant improvements that will help that day-to-day travel. The time frames are the outlier. That's worst case scenario. We based it on the normal absorption rate of homes, but we didn't want to just have it based on selling homes. We wanted to make sure there was a time frame cap, and that's why you have the three years and the 10 years. Um, so for the uh the um 300 homes, which for the three years, we do anticipate it to go much faster than that. We also concurrently still have to do a full design. we have to get it permitted and some of the traffic uh signal infrastructure takes up to a year to obtain. Uh during CO it was a lot worse but it's getting better. So a typical traffic signal project takes about two years best case scenario. We did one recently at Maryloma in Babcock Street in Palm Bay. That one took almost three years and that was moving as fast as we could. Um so they do take a lot of time to do all the permitting, design, construction and get all the infrastructure there as well. Um so the three years is the worst case scenario. We want it sooner. We uh want it to be there as quickly as we can because we do believe it will be a significant improvement for the pines as well.

Uh there is a a second project in between the third project which is the fourlaning and uh that is something that's not within the city of West Melbourne limits but that is taking the parkway out to Norfolk Parkway out to the St. John's Heritage Parkway. So that's another significant improvement. um the traffic study that we did and uh we have a a traffic engineering company that did that separate study and they did that with Boulevard County City West Melbourne and um with the city of Melbourne. So all three agencies involved in this traffic study that was looking at these original improvements. The uh four laning didn't provide a significant upgrade of or any upgrade to level of service. Obviously, it gets cars moving faster to the next intersection. Um, but it's still something that ultimately are we believe is going to be great for the whole area and a big part of our project. So, that's why we're committed to it. Again, we want to do these things. We're not asking for any impact fee credits. We're asking for any fees to be waved or anything like that. We want these improvements to happen as well. That's how the Pines is going to be successful is to be able to get these improvements done. Um but we have to be able to do them in a way that the project can financially support it and be able to have the time to do it uh correctly through design and uh getting all the infrastructure and uh everything else for those. Um so yeah the time frames are absolutely the worst outlier case if 2007 or 8 comes again interest rates COVID there's so many factors that could happen. So, we just wanted to make sure that we had the ability to make sure that we could get them done uh in a reasonable time, but based on our typical absorption rates, we would get it done much faster than uh those time frames that you're seeing. Um

I heard you ask about access. So, 100% agree. All construction access comes from the west. It does not go down North Parkway. That same construction access would also be used as emergency services ability to be able to come uh they could come down Norfol of course or they could come uh from the west off of the St. John's Heritage Parkway, but it's important to have two different uh accesses for emergencies. Um we do already have school concurrency for the Pines project. Um we uh are going through the process of being able to uh do complete the design that you have in front of you now that doesn't have the easements and then uh our next steps from here would be to do 100% complete engineering drawings, get them permitted and then be able to start ordering all the infrastructure for the improvements. We have to come up with maintenance of traffic plans for pedestrians, for vehicles. Uh we also of course have to cooperatively work with the school. We have met with the school. We have worked with them as well to make sure that they are part of uh what we're doing as well. Uh the school has even agreed to stagger their times for the addition that they're doing now with school start times with the older kids versus the younger kids so that the uh travel times will be at different periods. They won't all be at the same time for the school. Um, so that being said, what we're proposing now is to immediately move forward with the intersection improvements at Shallow Creek. Immediately move forward with the improvements at Mitten Road. And in Mitten Road, we're going to take the southernmost lane and make that just a uh a right turn lane. So dedicated right, that'll be an improvement. We're going to have dual left turn lanes going north. So you'll have double the stacking plus extra length that we've

added. Um and then some traffic signal improvements as well. So we do believe that first phase is going to be a pretty dramatic improvement uh for both Mitten and Shallow Creek intersections. So that being said, be happy to answer any questions that I can answer for the board. Thank you. Uh Mr. Gaylord.

Hey Jake. Uh so you mentioned that the 3 years and the 10 the 10 years were based off your worst case scenarios. Um and you mentioned that the 300 COS and the 811 COS are based off your absorption absorption rate which would go much faster than your worst case scenarios. So I'm curious to know uh what the difference in time periods Dr. Horton would be looking at based on your typical absorption rates and then obviously like what your best case scenario would be uh because currently you have it written up that um you know it's 3 years or 300 cos whichever comes first and then 811 cos or 10 years whichever comes first. So curious to know what the time frame looks like based on your absorption rates. I think um I'd be happy to answer your question, but uh for the first phase, it is as much permitting and time frame to do the construction. Um based on your typical absorption rates, it'd be around the two-year mark um for the first phase. And that's what we're hoping to beat that to be able to get that traffic signal in there. And again, it's an improvement for the pine. So, we want it to happen.

And what about the uh second part of second milestone? the the uh the oh the the 10 year worst case scenario I'd say worst case based on our absorption that would be around the sevenyear mark if we're absorbing at a regular pace that 81 mark okay thank you

when you say absorption what are you talking about the sales of the houses sales of the houses Uh, for example, Sagress Lakes itself, 933 units went very quickly. It was in a good economy. Things move faster. That's what we're hoping for. That's we know this council's hoping for is for it to move along as quickly as possible. Uh, but you know, COVID 2007208 when my parents bought their house, they're still in today. They had 11% interest rate and they were excited. So, things change and we just want to make sure that we're um make sure that we do have an outlier worst case time frame. Miss Adams,

thank you. I'd like us to instead focus on best case scenario and if we need an extension, to me that makes more sense to then come back and say, "Hey, XYZ happened, but we're working on the best case scenario timeline." I'm supportive of the project. I think it's good for multiple communities that are in this area. Um, but I'm not supportive of placing transportation and traffic burdens on current residents for a long period of time to meet the needs of future residents at a much longer timeline. Is there a reason we have not connected with Srass in terms of recognizing it's going to impact multiple multiple families?

Um, well, for your first part of your question, totally fair. The 300 home mark is what we are anticipating is about the same amount of time to sell the houses that will take us to design, permit, and be able to construct the signal. We anticipate that to be our best case scenario. Our only concern is if for some reason we're not selling homes in a normal pace, we just want to have the ability to be able to say, "Okay, for whatever reason, economy, things that are outside of our control, we have a little bit more time." Or for example, I'll just give you the example of the city of Palm Bay has a wastewater treatment plant they're trying to finish. It's three years past. They still are not being able to get the final components they need all these years later. Things like that pop up. That's an unfortunate. Um

that's why you give us the best case scenario and then you come for an extension. We did the 300 units. If that goes, that's best case and we're happy. We can't wait to get it in. It's a huge improvement for everybody. But yes, that is exactly what we're hoping for. Um, I'm sorry. What was the second part of the question too? Terms of the Sawrass community. Oh, reaching out to Srass because those are going to be the people that call all of us.

Scott Lee, division president Dr. Horton. Uh, thank you guys for your time tonight. Uh, so, uh, in regards to your first question, it was my understanding, uh, it was it was our understanding that, uh, the city was in contact with the HOA. Um, And uh that response was the response. What response? I'm sorry. Who did you talk to? Who did who did I talk to? Who were the city did you talk to? Who and so myself. Okay.

So So we have had conversations, but the Dr. Horton and uh Sawrass HOA have never been in the same room. I believe the response was that Sawrass Lakes couldn't talk to Mr. Roadie officially about this uh this road until our the Sawrass Lakes current lawsuit was settled with them. So there would not be a conflict and that's what Mr. Roie was told um during our meeting. Has that been settled or not? To my knowledge, it's on the verge of being settled.

Is there a reason other than the fact that I think lots of people support this project and want it to move forward in a good pace? Is there a reason that we need to consider this tonight and now, Mr. Roodie, versus potentially tableabling it to give them time to either close this other issue, meet with the HOA, potentially come back with a better timeline? Well, I'd like our city manager to from his perspective, but you're welcome to.

Yeah, the the timing of this item is really twofold. One, that the trip party agreement is finally ready, and so good good timing coming together. The second item is they they receive preliminary approval from Melbourne on some of their land use and reszoning elements and then need to come back within the next month or two to get development agreement and essentially final approval. Their process is similar to ours. It's just a little different. And so we tend to do that in two meetings. land use resoning future comp plan development agreement all in two meetings their process because of the annexation was a little bit different so we have this window between now and when it goes back to Melbourne uh for for action whether it's approved or denied to kind of work this detail out and so that's why timing work that's why it's in front of this this body this evening

and if it gets denied by this body what happens in front of Melbourne If it were to get denied this evening, we would certainly circle back with the developer and try to find something that would work to to bring back, but ultimately um we would want to get this element. You know, they they have permission to do the road. They have permission. We have an agreement with them. This was more the time frame and the details of of what that road's going to look like so that everybody in the community can see what's happening, right? We don't want to make uh make these decisions away from the community. We make them in front of the community. And so, uh if it goes nowhere tonight, then we'll circle the horses and take another stab at it a future meeting. And and let me just say from um the community's point um since they're staying within the easements of uh the rightway, I don't know that there's much the community can do. However, as a councilman, I think we made promises that we should consider when we're telling residents something's going to happen. We should stand behind that.

I didn't know if you wanted to chime in after

Mr. M. Thank you. Uh, a lot of it comes down to timing. We've been talking about timing. Uh, you guys mentioned three years and how that potentially is not a short enough time period. Uh, just ordering mass arms takes about a year, right? So, if we place an order today, it would take a year to get those in, right? A year. worth of development, hopefully sooner, right? That's that's with everything being smooth, right? And then there's trip periods and there's there's a period of time you have to run those things to make sure they work before they're finalized. Um, so with I guess the sense of urgency would be is for us to come to an agreement here of what we're doing so that way Melbourne can also look at our plans and get us what we need. Our plan is once we have approval for West Melbourne. The project is still at risk, but to shorten that duration, we would go ahead and order those mass arms. We've already got we've worked it through uh on our end how we're going to have to do that. Um and what it comes down to is that we're at risk. We're going to be at risk. So Melbourne could potentially shut that down because we still have an agreement with the city of West Melbourne to put that traffic. So once we have the agreed improvements, we're going to place that order and everything's still at risk, but we're going to place that order, pay the money for that to try to get to expedite the traffic signal. Three years is is is extremely tight. Okay. Um, as far as 10 years, I I completely agree with everybody. That sounds like a long period of time. Uh, we don't want to talk about the economics of what it's like to build and produce a development. Um, I in Sawrass Lakes. I feel like uh not being a person that works for Dear Horton, the community got built probably too quickly, right? Um that's up for debate. Uh this type of project, even the time period we're looking at at the absorption rate, how how fast we can build them, how fast people can purchase, how how fast they can move and

afford it, you're looking at six to seven years without uh it being a tremendously crazy great market. But then we're still going to be at risk if the market goes really sideways, right? So that would that's the ask for uh the 10 years. Is there some flexibility to it? Sure. Not much because it would be tough to keep on coming back to say, hey, you know, because we're also the ones posting the bonds, going back to pay for the bonds. I know nobody cares about how much money costs, right? But uh that's a process, right? And for us, we want to get it done as expeditiously as possible, right? So it doesn't it doesn't behoove us. We're not in business to drag a project out just so we're on the same page, right? Uh it's it's not uh in our best interest to be sneaky about any of this stuff, right? You know, I feel like since the beginning of this uh journey, we've uh we've tried to be and I still feel this way to to try to uh make it a win-win for every municipality we're touching, including West Melbour. So, and staff has been great to work with. Um, and I appreciate it.

And I appreciate that. I think, you know, you said it very well. Everybody wants the project to move forward at a good pace. It It's good to know that you live in Srass and so you see some of the current already traffic buildup that I think many of us are concerned about looking at it from a whole city perspective, especially when we have increased traffic

and and you know, and I do live there, right? I go to work in the morning. I have two little children. My wife takes to school. So that we get stuck in the same traffic. Nothing more do I want to have that traffic signal put in. But there's the reality of the time frame it takes to get that type of equipment, install it, and do it. I would be setting myself up for failure if I agreed to anything less than three years. I mean, there's nothing more that I want to place an order for that and try to get that done as fast as possible, right? Timing of school season and stuff like that. We're taking all those things into account. We're not just blindly just throwing it a dart and saying this project's going to go about whenever we feel like it's time. We're taking in account school season, seasonal season, summertime, all that stuff. So, as far as the traffic signal, the very first part we're talking about that part, right?

10 years, that's that's a different thing, right? So, you know, at seven years, it's that's tough, right? That type of development should take seven to eight years in all honesty for it to be properly done, not overburdening anything. So, that's what years. Thank you, Miss Boltz.

I'm going to make sure that that excuse me, that three-year timeline isn't tied to 300 homes. So, you're not going to Excuse me one second. You're not going to We're not going to wait for 300 homes to be built before you put in the turn signal. I mean, the traffic light. Okay. So, it's it's 300 homes or three years. Okay. It's one or Okay. Whichever comes first. Yeah. I just wanted to be sure that that was the case. Thank you. Which which includes the modifications at Mitten Road as well. Yes.

Right. So, there it's not just it's the improvements at Shallow Creek and Norfolk and the modifications which significantly will enhance congestion in that area. Mr. Bentley. So to make sure I understand this in three years, you're saying you'll have the light put in. Yes, that is the goal. And again, I if we can walk through it real quick though, so I still have to get a a site plan approval. I understand all that and and I understand the three years.

So I understand why you would say three years. So That that's after everything gets approved. He has three years to do it. After everything gets what? Approved. Correct. So you can't start work till you get it approved. Right. Well, what he's saying that that the time the clock doesn't start clicking ticking until everything's approved and then it's another So if it's a year before that happens, it could be four years before the light comes in.

Right. But he's not going to be doing until it gets approved, he's not going to do any construction either. So, I mean, I think it's a real real issue. Um, where I'm strugg one of the places I'm struggling is the 10 years before you forlane it and before you do any improvements, I think on Mittton toward Mitten Road right there. Is that true? No, sir. So, the first phasing of development, you got to talk a little bit. I got an You're sitting right behind me. Sorry. Uh the first phase of development is going to be the shallow creek improvement with the traffic signal singleization, right? And then the Mitten Road intersection on Norfolk, right? And that's within three years.

That's within the three years of 300 homes. Okay. Uh the other part of this that isn't really in here is that we will be punching west and connecting out to the St. John's Heritage Parkway. Right. When will it be fourlaned? Within 10. within 10 years of permit release. 10 years. So our our part, right? I understand that.

So So you're asking the residents that live there currently, the 933 or whatever the number is to potentially go through 10 years of additional even worse traffic than they currently have. And I don't think you live there that anybody can argue that it's a good traffic situation. So again, based on the traffic improvement analysis, and I know that I've seen the I know that they're magic, right? They're like voodoo. Anybody I can get any answer I want. I understand that paying for it. Um

but I think anybody that lives there a traffic signal and the modification of Mitten it it has it will have significant improvement. I I think that that in itself is going to open a lot. Plus, you have any data that shows that? Yeah, the traffic improvement analysis. We'd be happy to share that for sure. We have that. Actually, the the analysis actually shows that with that modification and going out west, there's no need to ever fourlane. So, well, not with this development. Now, if everything gets modified later on down the road,

so I might believe if you put in a light and do some improvements, you could speed the current situation up. But you're also adding 300 homes in the meantime onto that road. before the 10 year mark gets her starting. I mean, so

multable grade levels. I'm sorry. Here's here's Yeah, I might be able to help you with your question. So, what the traffic study identified is the segment between Shallow Creek and Mitt. Right. That's what we're concerned about.

Exactly. So going from two lanes to four lanes gets the traffic just a little bit faster. It's it's a pretty short run to the intersection. So we've increased stacking. We've increased the turning movements. We have dedicated rate to go south, two to go north, but we don't necessarily want to get the traffic there significantly faster because then you're going to be more stacking more cars at the intersection. So it's actually remaining as a two-lane. It's a little counterintuitive, but the fourlane that section just gets the cars faster from Shallow Creek to the M intersection. And that's what the traffic study revealed. We were surprised. The traffic is almost surprised and we had to reevaluate everything when we got the numbers back the way we did. But the more significant improvement is after the 300 that the parkway, Norfol Parkway goes all the way to the west out to the um St. John's Heritage Parkway. So now you've got the ability to split the traffic two directions. It could be as much as a 40 60 split, something like that, because people are going to be able to go west easier than go east. So that's where the real significant improvement happens after phase one. Now, that's not part of this agreement because it's not in the city limits, but it affects the city of West Melbourne residents pretty dramatically. So that's where it's coming from. And Elurn was surprised by the results. The county was surprised by the results and we were surprised with the results because we're working with all three agencies at the same time. That helps your question.

10 years is a long time. Fully understand if um Mr. Rodie, would it be better, you know, I'm just listening to to what I've heard up here and this is going to be a dicey vote currently, I believe. I could get 100% wrong, but that's my impression of of what I heard. Would it be better to table this and have you have a chance to talk to give us more data on this or or or let it take the potential of failing? Yeah, I I think that's fine. You know, I I I really do. And

you know, our our efforts with this have been to be transparent, right? And this is what this is one of the effects of of transparency, right? It's it's this open government that works. Um I think tableabling it till next meeting or the meeting after is is still within the time frame that works for everybody at least until the next meeting. I'd like to talk, but also keep in mind that we have an agreement with them to do this for the light

for for for the improvements for the development for the extension of the Norfolk for four laning. We we have an existing agreement for them to do that. So, at some point, we're going to have to come to terms with that improvement. I don't think anybody's questioning that it's going to be a good project. the the question is the getting it done. I I agree. I I just want to reiterate though that I'm struggling with the 10 years. Yep. It's it's I think that's um you know, Councilwoman Adams mentioned six. I believe you mentioned six. You said six or seven might be

oh that would be so six or seven is perfect economy perfect absorption rate everything going completely perfect I wear rosecolored glasses a lot of the time so if if you had to call the bond let's talk about that then look like so what about what about a scenario where it's a the second phase is six years with the ability to be extended for one to negotiate this now. I'd rather just table it and and not negotiate it at the meeting because I I mean I have a

to me it and I'm it's your guys's meeting, right? But at the end of the day, it sounds like the item we're hung up on.

Well, it's not a traffic problem now. And the traffic light is not going to fix the problem because the traffic light's not going to do a better job than the officer standing out there that's actually directing the traffic. It's not going to fix the problem. The problem is that we're putting 10 pounds of potatoes in a five pound bag. So we we we can't expect to add 600 more cars from this this community. Why not why not just commit to starting the project day one with a possible completion date of three years or or starting all of them on day one and and order this stuff and just start the project and and just get it done. you know, I me particularly, I don't care if the pines goes in,

but I think it's okay, but you know, fix the road. It's a problem now. I mean, we put we put an ordinance in place about connecting this road because of all the traffic. We went through we went through many hoops to get where we're at today to be able to control the access on this road. And we need to set, you know, Why not start today? I don't I don't care how they pay for it. They want to have an absorption rate so the houses they sell pays for it. Dr. Horton has enough money to put the road in. So, but but he's saying that we also have an agreement in place already to allow this.

We have an agreement to allow this. We're just talking about the details, the timing of it, basically. And and so that's what we're that's what we're trying to get nailed down to be able to to move everything forward. And so that that's why you know obviously this item is in front of the council to to talk about that. There was a little talk about a roundabout early which right I remember

we that ship is long sailed. We don't need to talk about roundabouts anymore. Um, one thing I'll note on kind of the urgency here, as Scott said, that the moment we get a decision from this board, our our intention is to order this mass arm immediately, that that's our long lead item, um, and I think that shows on our that we're as eager as you all are to get these improvements, these critical improvements in place. one of course the the signal at Shallow Creek and Norfolk that I think is a major concern not to mention the improvements at Minton which again minton is the bottleneck right now that's where everyone goes to um the second thing is regarding the four laning in this 10-year timeline so we have three phases of traffic the first phase are the major improvements the improvements that help the Sawrass and the Pineapple Cove residents the most that's the signalization and the improvements at Minton that helps the stacking the ing the circulation any of the the improvements we're doing. Our intention is that we want to punch out to the west to St. John's Heritage Parkway before doing this fourlaning because we perform this fourlaning work before that other avenue is available to Srass and Pineapple Cove residents. The traffic is only going to worsen if they're going through a construction zone while we're constructing North Folk East. So again, we have these three large phases of traffic improvements to complete here. This first phase, again, as you've heard, will take approximately three years in the ordering of the signal. So we're three years in. Then we have to punch to the west, Norfolk. I mean, that that's a long stretch, as you may know, to get to St. John's Heritage Parkway. Um, and we want that fully open and operational so that residents don't have to go through a construction zone on Norfolk East just to get out of their community. Um so again that's kind of where those timelines are coming from. Per best case scenario again three year

well before three years we'll have the signal out. Hopefully we'll have it in two at Shallow Creek and Minton. We'll then punch out west and then we'll come back and make the four laning improvements. But that's a lot of different but you're already going to have a construction zone going on when you make the improvements at Shallow Creek. It just be easier to do it all at one time. um your your improvements at Mitten Road doesn't help Mitten Road traffic at all. It's that traffic's still going to be you know the bottleneck. You know, you might have a a heavier stacking lane on Norfolk, but that doesn't help the traffic on Mitten at all. I mean, that's the timing of the light.

Does everybody agree that Norfolk should connect to St. John's Heritage Parkway from Mitt Road? Do we all know that that's eventually going to get done?

I just ask you guys a question. um you have a developer willing to work with you to get that done. I know you mentioned that Deorton has a ton of money that could do that. Uh the way business is run uh is that you just don't shell out a bunch of money to get stuff done, it's not economically feasible. Okay. Um, so if we can all agree that it needs to be done and you have somebody in front of you that's willing to help out with all those things. If we're just sitting here talking about a 10-year timeline and I'm telling you seven years and we met at 8, we'd move on and complete this so that way everybody can go and they can approve our plans for design. I can order a masked arm and I can have my kids and wife go to school in the morning at a decent time as fast as humanly possible. I feel like that is

I don't like timelines. So you don't want to get into timelines? No, I think we should start I think we should start the project immediately again. So not economically feasible to do it all at one shot. Nor is it with that amount of traffic. It is not just construction. Then don't do then don't do the project. Mr. Am I still on or is Mr. If traffic could get to Mittton quicker? I don't care if it's a space shuttle. Can they get on to Mittton?

Well, there'll be an additional lane. So, there's three now. There's two left and a a through and a right. There'll be a dedicated right, a through, and two left. And it'll be larger stacking, right? But they can't get on Mittton faster. I can see them getting to Mittton faster with a four lane. But but more of them high traffic times. No, no, he's he's exactly right. So at high traffic, just like several intersections in West Melbourne, at high traffic, you're you're only able to go as much room as there is to go, right?

Whether whether that's Milwaukee 192 Um, Hollywood, Dair, all of those have the same struggle. Yeah. And and let me just add, Pat, at 3:00 during high traffic times, yes, more traffic can go left and go straight across. You're not going to be able to turn and go down Palm Bay. That's always that's the bottleneck. That's solid. And that's it. In the morning, absolutely. traffic will get out of there faster because you don't have the same B battleet going north and you could go any direction. So having the four lanes go through would absolutely speed up that traffic.

So So what are you guys agreeing to or putting out there for the timeline if we know it's not going to be 10? So we're not going to agree to at least not all of us.

Understood. Um, so just based on timing, same thing. Punching out being having to be able to afford to punch out west, eight years would be as close as possible. And I still don't know if the development is going to be completely done in eight years as far as a buildout of homes, right? So 10 years would be we get final sign off, final inspections from the city of West Melbourne on the four laning section of it. So there would be a year and a half of or a year prior starting construction to complete the fourlaning. So is I I I know it's kind of hard looking at the math. So even at seven years being where we're at, we would start development before that you would still bleed into eight years. That's with everything going completely without any issues. Yeah, we did just arbitrarily. Actually, we were actually hoping for more time. I think I started at like 15 or 12 and that got shot down and so it was very much for, you know.

Thank you. Uh, Miss Adams. Thank you. So, you're saying six for potentially finishing your portion of housing build, correct? to almost seven, but six, yes, would be like it would be perfect. There's no delays, no anything. Okay. So, six if it was perfect and then you're expecting a year of design and permitting and that sort of thing. Sorry, I'm not trying to be confusing. I promise. That's okay. I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding.

Years of being able to go vertical. So, from approval process from the city of Melbourne to give me a permit to break ground, you're 12 to 14 to 16 months. Add that year. Let's just let's call it what it is. It always takes about a year and a half before we ever get CFC to be able to go vertical. So, add a year and a half and then six years of building and selling through homes. So, you're at seven and a half years. That is perfect. That is we've done everything we're supposed to do. No delays. We hit the market just like we were supposed to and we were able to get through homes. That's perfect. So, eight years is I'm at risk.

So, are we willing I mean I I think there's more of an appetite for eight than there is for 10. Are we then willing to amend what's before us to say we're going to do it? I don't know if the number makes sense in terms of the number of homes if that still works for you guys, but amending that 10 to eight. I think I think I verbally hear you say it, but I want to make sure that I'm on the same page. Okay. Because I understand from after you've presented about what the process is for installing a traffic light. I feel like sometimes, you know, if you tell the city manager, we'd like to talk to the county about a traffic light, you know, that the process just begins. And I don't really track how much time that takes. However, hearing it from your perspective, I get it. Yeah,

knowing how that process goes, I'm not even sure it if the city tried, we could, you know, Mr. Roadie, is it possible from a city perspective? Could we get a traffic light done in less than three years? It's definitely a year for the mast arm. We haven't ordered the board the the electronical component. Our last project took a year and a half for the mast arm and almost two years for the board. the the box the the brains of the of the item. But but that was a long time ago. That that was, you know, that's like now three years ago, right? Are we expecting that to be faster now or slower now?

We're told the boxes are are going better, but the mass arms are still about a year. Okay. So, understanding it from that point and understanding you guys want this project to move like we want it to move. You know, I don't I don't think it behooves you to drag it out just like we wouldn't want to tell our residents, "Yeah, they're just dragging their feet because we gave them up to a longer amount of time." So, I get that. I appreciate you guys taking our questions and working this through with us to make sure we're all on the same page. I'd still like it to be six to seven, but understanding mathematically that may not work. Eight is still better than 10. So, thank you. Completion, right? Yes, sir. Yes, that is Uh, Mr. Frampus,

Deputy Mayor, I'd like to make a motion we table this till the following meeting so Mr. Roie can get with them and and work out these details. All right, I have a motion. Do I hear any seconds, Mr. Gaylord? I'll second. Uh, it's any council discussion on that? Okay. Uh, so I have a motion uh to the next meeting or to the meeting after. Does it don't we have to say when we're tableabling it to? Uh, this isn't a Okay. It doesn't need to be date certain.

Okay. I have a uh for tableabling. I have a motion from Mr. Frampus and a second. Oh, hold on. Miss Deputy Mayor, can we have a I mean, just for peace of mind, I mean, are we picking a date certain when Mr. He wants to bring it back. Next meeting is April 21st and then we have a May 3rd meeting. Okay. There doesn't have to be a date certain. He said he can bring it back on the agenda whenever he did. He Yeah. And I don't think that city attorney's mic was on the city attorney said it doesn't need to be a date certain. It's not a public We do date certain when it's a public hearing that we've posted. That's to avoid having to advertise it again, but that's not relevant in this case.

Okay. Back to the motion to table from Mr. Frampus with a second from Mr. Gaylord. All those in favor signal by saying I. I. All oppose say nay. Nay. I'm gonna have to do a count on that one. I need a roll. Do you think so? Three to three, I think. No, it was four. Mayor Young voted um to table. So, it was three to four. I voted I voted to table, right? So, it was three to four. I think there's four. I thought let's just Can we roll call vote? Yeah. Be be safe. Council member Bentley. Council member Bentley.

I'm not for tableabling it. You want to work that. Council member Frampus. Council member Adams. Council member Vultz. No. No. No meaning no table opposed to tableabling. Yes. Correct. Council member Gaylord. Table. Deputy Mayor Maguire. No table. Lost. Mayor Young. Table. Okay. So is four to table, three to not table. So the matters tabled. Yes.

All right. Um, up next we have the five-year capital improvement plan. Mr. Roodie, I'm not trying to make the council upset, but could we take a five sec five minute recess for Sure. Yeah, we can take a five minute. I think that reconvenes us at 8 o'clock.

for the five-year capital improvement plan.

All right. Thank you, Deputy Mayor, members of the council. So, before you this evening is a requirement for our comprehensive plan. Uh, one of the requirements for the state is to approve a a five-year capital improvements plan, which we uh utilize kind of dual um one, not only uh obviously we'd like to follow the requirements of the state, but also kind of starts our kickoff for capital projects. Um you'll notice uh that we try to divide the projects based in the years that we think we're going to spend those funds, but but these numbers tend to be a little more rounded. These aren't when we get to the budget CIP, we plug in the exact dollar amount. These are a little bit more estimate. So something that we think is going to cost somewhere between, you know, 71 and 73,000. We just average 75,000 and and and keep the process moving forward because it's not it's not so much a budget exercise is as it is a planning and financial planning exercise. And so before you this evening is our five-year capital improvement plan. A lot of the projects that we have talked about and continue to talk about are in here. They're divided into uh the required categories. Um and so I'm I'm happy to take any questions. We also include a section that's transportation improvements that are not the cities uh either state, county, or um either the state or the county just to kind of show a bigger picture of some of the other projects that are going on. But those obviously aren't budgeted or paid for by the city. Uh so those are those are in there as well to to paint a full picture. Uh and staff requests that you review, discuss, and approve the five-year uh CIP plan for the comprehensive plan.

Uh before we talk further on that, can I get the city attorney to read it for us? I will absolutely do that. Thank you, madame vice mayor. This is or madame deputy mayor, excuse me. This is ordinance number 2026-06, an ordinance of the city of West Melbourne, Bard County, Florida, adopting the annual update to the capital improvements element of the comprehensive plan consistent with chapter 163 Florida statutes, providing for the repeal of ordinances and resolutions in contact here with, providing for severability and interpretation, and providing an effective date. Thank you. All right, back to the council. Miss Waltz.

Yeah. Just go over what you were talking about um Tim about the um transportation capital.

Yeah. So, at the bottom of the spreadsheet, which is um we'll call it 8 C-7 is the the council packet uh page number. We have some transportation capital projects. Um, one of them's phase one of the Hollywood Boulevard widening. That's not a West Melbourne project. That wouldn't be funded through West Melbourne. And when or if that ever were to happen, I that would not be our project, but it's a really relevant one to West Melbourne. So, we include it in this CIP plan. Uh, the I95 paving 95 is not ours either.

I 95 is definitely not ours and it was supposed to be done almost a year ago. And as we all notice, it's getting closer, but it's still not complete. Oh boy. And then the Ellis widening, which again, we are contributing some money to that, but the bulk uh cost of the Ellis widening project is coming from the county and the TPO. Yeah. So, we are going to be giving money for the I95. No, we are we are giving zero funds to the I95 repaving. Zero. Why does it Well, that's why I'm asking you. Why does it show $10 million?

Yeah, we we have always um added in major road improvement projects that touch West Melbourne. Just to provide context because this document is a requirement of the comprehensive plan. So, the state wants to see all the projects in the area and transportation is a big element of the comp plan and so we show these items. um as part of the it makes no sense.

There are there are several items that are mandatory of the state's requirement of the comprehensive plan that I would say are not fair or or make perfect sense to me. But um this is one that we we include as a requirement. Well, good luck balancing that budget. Okay, Mr. Frampus, be clear, this isn't part of our budget. This is has nothing to do with the city of West Melbourne 2627 budget. This is just a I understand that. But the just just more of a planning more of a planning document. Yeah.

Make a motion we approve the first reading of ordinance 2026-6 is written. Miss Adams, I'll second. All right. I have uh let me see here. Um all right. I have a motion from Mr. Frampus and a second from Miss Adams. All in favor say I. I. I.

All oppose say nay. Motion carries. 70. All right. Now it looks like um Miss Alexander, you have to ask us about the alternate for the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, as you can see by the memo, and I'm going to be very brief, the council's asked to consider appointing an alternate member to the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization. As you all are aware, Mayor Young is the sole representative, and if she's unable to attend a meeting, then we do not have representation at those meetings. So, I've provided the calendar for um council's information, and if you would like to appoint an alternate, that would be great. Hold on. Let me pull this up. I have no lights on,

which I kind of expected would happen. Yeah. Hold on. I'm trying to pull this up again before I commit to anything again.

Please. So, if you see the calendar that's attached, there are um seven meetings of the governing board. They meet Thursdays at 1:30 in Rocklage. Well, this the governing board is the council. So, one of the council members to be an alternate The other one is uh Miss Rod and Director Fischer go to those.

Um I have no issues being the alternate on this. Miss Adams, I will happily make a motion to appoint Alexis Magcguire as our alternate to the governing board of the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization. Thank you,

Mr. Bentley. Good. Second from Mr. Bentley. Okay. All right. I've got a motion from Miss Adams and a second from Mr. Bentley to appoint me as alternate to the TPO. All those in favor, please signal by saying I. I. All opposed say nay. Motion carries. 70. Congratulations. Thank you, Alexis. Yeah. Um, okay. Uh, next up is, uh, the conflicting dates in September for council meetings.

Thank you, ma'am. Um, when the council set their meeting dates for the year 2026, they did it last year and there were two little asterisks that said that we might have to change the September council meetings. the county and the school board do not set their meetings out as far as we do. And so, unfortunately, we were informed that the county board of um I'm sorry, the board of county commissioners for Bvard County has set their budget hearings on the same date that we were going to hold ours and state statute says that they get to have those dates. So, we have offered the council if they would like to consider um holding those budget hearings on Wednesday, September 9th instead of Tuesday, September 8th and Wednesday, September 23rd instead of Tuesday, September 22nd,

um which was something Mr. Roadie mentioned in the budget workshop. Mhm. Uh before I look at this one, uh typically the 9th would fall on a PNZ meeting. We would adjust that. Okay. Just making sure. Plenty of time to adjust that. Yeah. I was going to say it's in my calendar as P&Z. I wanted to clarify. Okay. Miss Adams, I'll make a motion to reschedule our regular council meetings in September to be held on Wednesday, September 9th and Wednesday, September 23rd due to the conflict. Mr. Gaylord, second.

All right. I have a motion from Miss Adams, a second from Mr. Gaylord about the date moving. All those in favor, please signal by saying I. I. All oppose, say nay. Motion carries 70. backed by popular demand. 811. All right, Miss Murphy, celebrated park entryways.

Oops. Good evening, deputy mayor, council. Um, I am back again tonight. I have based on the council feedback, I rearranged some of the sign placement to large signs being added to every location to be consistent. Um, wayfinding signs with maps at Sand Hill Crane Park have been added and pillar style signs have been added to Flanigan and Fel Road entrances and a medium sign has been added at the Sunflower House. Would you all like to go through them? Why not page by page? No, Mr. Bentley

that we approve this as read and as outlined in our package. Mr. Frampus going to um Can you bring up the placement of the wife signs at uh San Hill Crane Park? Yes. Um, yeah, I was gonna say technically I have a motion on the for you and a second for So here are the um question.

Go ahead. Go ahead. So these are these are just the plain ones and then the the maps were here. Did you have a question on the maps or the ones without maps? I probably a map. We we have it in front of uh what used to be Field of Dreams and what is the concession area. Correct. That's where those two signs are at, right?

No, the one is going to be at the entrance off of So, right across from the the maintenance building when you first walk into the park. That is a a busier entrance for us off of the Spine Road. And then the other map was when you exit the park that kind of gave a map to the splash pad. They're not pointing to where they're supposed to be. It looks like they're pointing to certain areas. Um I think you're you're you're right. You're saying the concession area at Abe's place. She's thinking concession area at Field of Dreams. Remember, there's that real roll up concession area at Field of Dreams. It looks like it's right between the two buildings from what I'm seeing.

Yeah. The the We'll call it the southern one. Can you go back this one? Yep. So that southern one is at the popular entrance of people coming into the from the main parking lot from the main from the main parking lot and then the other one is near the entrance of the spine road which is the other busy entryway by Field of Dreams

by Field of Dreams. So, my suggestion was going to be put one of those map signs near uh over by where the pavilions are, the skate park. So, when people come in uh that park along the the back side of the parking lot are also going to be able to see a map on the whole park uh and not just have to go into the park itself.

That would cover all three entrances then. So, I mean, it just to me it makes more sense to have have it out where you're going to be parking and walking in. Uh, there is a always a big problem with the different pavilions, the number of the pavilions, and I'm guessing the map is going to have the pavilions numbered on there as well. So, if they're going to be renting one of those pavilions, they're going to be parking up by the pavilions and not walk all the way in and try to figure it out. So that was only that was my only suggestion. I like everything else. I'll take my head off that. But uh I I would like for you to modify your motion uh to add that

modifi agree with Steve. So all right, seeing no other lights, hearing no other comments. I've got a motion from Mr. Bentley and a second by Mr. Frampus with that one minor change. Um, all those in favor say I. I. All oppose say nay. Motion carries 70. It was We should have put you early in the agenda. Um, all right. Moving on to council reports. It looks like I am up first. Oops. We did not laugh

typically. Um, it's okay. I can go as is. Um, let's see. So, last week, last week, this week, I don't even know. Last week, thank you. Uh, was the Palm Bay Chamber um, lunchon where I did the state of the city for all of them. That was very wellreceived. Um, got a lot of comments afterwards. The only thing I've been hearing is that we basically just change the numbers out in our presentation every year. And maybe it's time for a little bit of a refresh on that. Um, but other than that, I it was wellreceived. I got a couple actual like some good questions while I was up there. Um, and everything seemed to go pretty well on that. Um, I don't have any reminders or All right, perfect. That is my report, Mr. Fandis.

No report, Miss Folz.

Yes, I um I did have a chance to stop by the Easter egg hunt with the bunch of little kids over there. It was great. I just loved watching them. It was really awesome. Um and and I excuse me tonight. I don't know what's the deal here. Anyway, I did go to the chamber event and I think you did an amazing job. Um it was it was awesome. Um so, u really appreciated you stepping up for Andrea. You did a great job. Um, and then of course went to the U League of Cities and God knows what else I did, but that was it.

Uh, Miss Adams, thank you. I'll echo the sentiments. I think you did a great job representing the city for the chamber. Um, some of the questions also focused on Ellis Road, so I think our community as a whole continues to be wondering about that progress. So, you handled all of the questions very well indeed.

U, the second thing was we did a another event with the transportation planning organization and a couple other partners out near the hybrid uh pedestrian beacons in terms of trying to educate the public on what the different signals and colors mean. Um, I think the police department's going to have to continue working on that education piece because while I continue to reiterate to people that ask me about them that 192 is not our road and it is FDOT, they continue to ask questions, call my phone, knock on my door, and want to know what are we, you know, why did we install these and how do we use them? And I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble if I go when it's blinking yellow versus not. And so I think we continue to push out that education piece. It's going to help with uh the traffic flow that is on 192. But it was a it was a good event. I know a couple of us were able to make it and uh the police department was really out there and their focus right now at least then until now from my understanding is continuing to focus on that education piece and not necessarily the enforcement until they feel like the community really has a solid understanding of how those beacons are supposed to operate and help with uh traffic flow and safety. The third thing was this past Saturday they had a beep and seek egg hunt uh with the Bvard County Sheriff's Office and uh FCA Boulevard. And so they had if you've never been out to their beep ball that they have at the Field of Dreams. They have these large uh they're they're quite large. very large baseball looking things that beep uh to help athletes that have visual impairments to participate and play and work on different skills. And so I've seen beepball. I had never seen a beep and seek egg hunt before. Um and so they put

these beeping eggs out in if you could picture our field of dreams. uh they put them into the baseball field and so the the participants were able to find these Easter eggs based on how they beep in the field. I didn't know how easy or difficult that was going to be and I learned quite a bit um just in in seeing how people would navigate something like that and their encouragement was to try to do it as independently as possible. And quite a few of the people that chose to participate uh we did have Promise residents but we had other West Melbourne residents. We had people from outside West Melbourne come to participate and the feedback that I got was this is a really cool inclusive event and we really like being here and I know that FCA liked being there. Uh Beatball is going to be doing a beatball huddle in May. It's I think it's each week through the month of May. Erin says yes. U so they're going to be doing that each week through the month of May. And so they use this event to also reach more people with visual impairments to try to encourage participation in future Beatball events. But if you haven't seen it, I'd encourage you to go out and see it. Talk to the people that participate. It was really cool.

Uh the huddle in May. I have to look at which dates or Aaron might know off the top of her head. It's one day a week for each. It's maybe it's Saturdays. It is Saturdays. We just don't know the time, but we can get that to you. I think it's nine, but I didn't want to

I don't want to lock that in unless I'm sure. And then the final thing I have to note is we did have the April youth advisory board meeting. We have an event on May 16th from 1 to 3. It is a partnership with the youth advisory board and the police department. Their focus is mainly on uh for an endofear thing for school ending to focus on teen and youth mental health. And so they chose to do this collaboration event with the police department. Um it is free and open to families of course as well, but we're specifically trying to outreach to the youth in our community. So I just wanted to share that with council to help us get the word out, but also make sure that you're invited to attend. Uh we will have our last uh youth advisory board meeting that first week of May before they take a break for the summer. So just a heads up on that if you forget about that changing schedule and then show up in June or July and we're not meeting in here. So just wanted to give you a heads up on that.

Let us know when that other event is the the end the beatball huddle. Yep. I can get that out. Thank you. for the huddle pm at night, right? Okay. Um All right, Mr. Bentley.

Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I did attend most of the things that have been mentioned on here. Uh the crossings on 192, boy, that needs some work. Uh, I think it's a great program, but most cars didn't know what to do. I mean, they were just and there was police officers both on motorcycles and in their vehicles, and if you didn't do the right thing, the feeling had to be you were going to get pulled over. Of course, it was only an educational thing, but it was it was fun to sort of watch in in the sense that I think most people wanted to do the right thing, but they just didn't know what to do. Um, so I think if the city can You know, I don't want to put it out there in the weekly letter thing that you send out because it's only 800 people that get that, but somehow if there's something we can get out to the broader city to know how that operates, it would be useful.

Yeah, we we did a big Facebook um push on on all of our uh Facebook platforms when they said it was going to go live and then it really didn't go live. And then we did it again when they said it was really going to go live and then it still hasn't really gone live. It's live some places, but it's not live at all the intersections. So, we will continue. We'll we'll push it again this week and get it out. I think what would really help is if they were all really live.

Yeah. Also, there was these little bookmarkers, I guess, size things that showed everything on there. if we could get those from uh I don't know FDOT or whoever sponsors that and hand them out, maybe put them in in the building over there and let people pick them up when they come through. Uh maybe we can put it in their water bill so that it's separate. Uh but uh we'll include FDA's number with them.

Yeah. So they need they need help and they wanted help. So I I think that was positive. Uh, I think the Easter egg thing at the field of dreams was really I had a good time there, you know, watching them listen to the sound, you know, for the death folks and and go actually get to participate in an Easter egg hunt. That was fun to watch and very touching to watch. So, if you didn't get a chance to go, you ought to go next year because, you know, I think you'd walk away saying, "Man, that was that was worth the time of being there." And the last thing I have is, you know, I attended the Palm Bay Chamber and as you've heard, Alexis did a presentation on the status kind of of the city state of the city, I think they call it. And that was a second event because I was also at the one at the police station with uh Officer Arensoft and Alexis where she presented to a group. You did a great job at both those events of representing the city, of presenting the material like it was just the back of your hand. I mean, it really came across well and and I've been to hundreds of these over the years. And to get the kind of questions that you got, those weren't just ordinary questions. Those were good questions and the answers were wellinformed and just off the cuff. And usually you don't get good questions after an event like that. Usually people just they're ready to be done. They've heard enough. But they cared enough about your presentation and your style that uh you know we probably had six or seven questions. Good questions and great answers. So, you know, having been on here a long time, it's really good to see the youth, and I call you, the youth, whether I'm supposed to politically or not, to see how well they're doing and and to say I think the city of West Melbourne's in really good hands. So, thank you.

Thank you, uh, Mr. Gaylord. I would like to echo the sentiments of this council as a member of the youth that uh Deputy Mayor Maguire did do a fantastic job at the Palm Bay Chamber and um yeah, it's live. So, thank you. And then Mayor Young, do you want to say anything?

Yes. Yes, I do. I wanted to um I wanted to thank Deputy Mayor Alexis for stepping up and just doing a great job. I heard wonderful things from you. I'm sorry I missed it. Uh I maybe it was videoed somewhere and I could watch it there, but thank you so much for stepping up and thank you for agreeing to be the alternate to the to the TPO as well. I'll be back on my feet soon and I'll be back. It's my goal to um be at our next council meeting on the 21st. I should be there back in my regular chair. So, thank you very much for your patience. I I did do the the um the with the road crossings like the rest of the group did. I was part of that. I agree with you, Mr. Bentley. We need a lot more education out there. Uh that's my report. Thank you.

Thank you. And they did ask uh Mayor Young if they could film me while I was presenting. So, I would assume that recording is somewhere. Great. Thanks. Um okay. uh management reports. Uh no report at this time.

Just a a quick note that uh taxes are due next week and that should prompt you to start thinking about your financial disclosures. Uh as you probably remember a couple years ago, uh some people challenged that and the court issued a stay and it appears the stay is still in effect. So, you still will be filing the form one and you have to do that by July 1st, 2026 and please get it in on time because they will fine you for being late and they are very unforgiving on the fines for being late. So, uh just as a reminder, I'll remind you again as it gets closer, but uh just to put that in your head so you start thinking about it.

Perfect. All right. Any last minute things for the good of the order? Uh, Miss Adams, just a quick question for Mr. Roadie. Um, I know it was brought up during the item that we tabled. Uh, will we be getting a copy of the report that the gentleman referenced in regards to the I think it was the the traffic numbers the traffic study. Happy to forward the traffic study on. Okay. Thank you. Perfect. All right. with that then we