City Council - Regular Meeting

to call the March 17, 2026 West Melbourne City Council meeting to order. If you would all stand for with me for the pledge and a moment of silence.

I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy and justice for all. You may all be seated. Welcome to tonight's meeting of the city council. Members of the public are welcome to speak on any topic, whether it is on tonight's agenda or on any issue that is important to you. Each person that wishes to speak should complete a speaker card, which are located by the glass doors and submitted ahead of time to the city clerk who sits at the end of the dis. After you have been recognized to speak, please use the microphone at the podium and clearly state your name and address for the record. Please address all of your comments to the city council rather than to individual members. Direct all questions to the chair. Speakers will be given up to three minutes. Thank you. All right. Our first item is introduction of new employees. Mark Picarillo. Good evening, mayor, deputy mayor.

Good evening. Um, it's a privilege for me to introduce to you two new members of our public works team. Tracy Mor Morrison, who's our administrative assistant, and Terrence McMillan is our water distribution crew leader. Um both of them come with over 20 years of experience in their relative uh in their fields that they were um hired for and they've been a great asset for us also. So um we're pretty um proud to to have them both on board with us. And with that Tracy

seriously there was a speech. Well I am Tracy Marson. My husband used to work here at the city of West Melbourne as well. And so I know that you guys are very much a familyoriented um organization and I really do appreciate the opportunity and I'm looking forward to um working with everybody. So thank you. Thank you.

Hi. Uh my name is Terrence McMillan. Um I'm here by way of Fort Pierce Utilities. Uh, as Mark said, 25 years. Um, I'm having a great time. I want to thank Mark and Tim for giving me this opportunity. Uh, I vow and promise to do my best and fulfill my duties. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for coming. All right, the next item is the proclamation for the Government Finance Professionals Week. Keith, would you meet me with your crew down there at the podium? All right. All right. Well, this is this is quite a group we have here. Okay. Again, my apologies to the council. Well, I guess I should do it here because I don't hardly have anyone behind me. I only have have more people in front of me. Maybe I should do it from the side. I don't know. All right. So, we'll just do it this way. How's this? Okay. All right. Uh the whereas the Florida Government Finance Officers Association is a professional association founded in 1937 and receives and serves more than 3,300 professionals from state, county, and city governments, schools districts, colleges, and universities, special districts, private firms. And whereas the FGFOA is dedicated to being your professional resource by providing opportunities through education, networking, leadership, and information. And whereas the government finance professionals week sponsored by the FGFOA and all of its member governmental organization is a week-long series of activities aimed at recognizing government finance professionals and the vital services that they provide for our state and our communities. And whereas during this week, government Finance

professionals throughout the state of Florida will be acknowledged for their hard work, dedication, and leadership. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that the mayor and city council of the city of West Melbourne, Bvard County, Florida, hereby proclaim March 16th through March 20th, 2026 as Government Finance Professionals Week and extend our appreciation to all government finance professionals throughout the state and here in the city of West Melbourne for their hard work, dedication, and leadership. Witness my hand concealed this day, the 17th day of March, 2026. You see that? And see that little seal right there? Megan made that. She made that by hand. So, this is for you. Thank you. Didn't she do a good job? There you are. All right.

My show.

All right. So, I'll just say a couple words. Uh, first of all, thank you, mayor, and members of the council for recognizing finance professionals week. Uh, since I joined the city a few months ago, I've heard many times about how the city has been recognized for their excellence in financial reporting. Um, that doesn't just happen by chance, and that's a direct result of dedicated people who work hard each and every day. And so these individuals, you know, that's a direct result of everything that they put in each and every day. Their professionalism, the attention to detail, and commitment to public service is what drives those results. And I want to thank each and every one of them for the hard work, dedication, and service that you guys give to the city of West Melbourne. Thank you.

All right, we have some questions here. Hold on. Hold on. Miss Adams, did you want to say something? Miss Magguire, did you want to say something?

Um, I did get a question today seeing what was on the agenda with you getting the award as to obviously please do not go in depth in depth. Um, but but what what does that really mean in terms of a city who gets the, you know, exceptional award and, you know, gets awarded for pretty much what we've done in West Melbourne. So each year we put together the annual financial compre the comprehensive financial report um and what is judged are the elements that are comprised of that entire report from you know the city's transmission letter to the actual prior year award certificate to the management and discussion and analysis to the footnotes the layout of everything the statistical tables that are required as part of that and plus we get the blessing from our auditors All of that is judged as part of those as that award criteria.

Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very very much. Thank you to all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Grab cupcakes, please.

Cupcakes. What am I going to do with the cupcakes? You should have put the cupcakes by the door. Should we like take one or you can't leave?

Okay, there are no modifications to the agenda. Next is public hearings. I'll give them a moment to clear out. Next is public hearings and the first item is renaming the West Melbourne Community Park to Sand Hill Crane. This item is sponsored by Miss Adams. Thank you, mayor and deputy mayor. Um, this evening, um, we have a a public hearing for the renaming of, uh, West Mil Community Park to San Hill Crane Park. As you recall, uh, members on the council here going back a little, uh, little little bit a couple years, uh, we updated the naming of city uh, properties and assets uh, ordinance. And in that ordinance, uh, we required a public hearing for any name changes, uh, for facilities or land in in the beautiful city here. And so, we are following that ordinance as we should. Uh, that ordinance does call for a sponsor. And so, uh, council member Adams was willing to sponsor that items. um coming out of some of the workshop discussions, uh San Hill Crane Park was uh selected and uh certainly rose to the top and so now we're taking the formal action. Later on in the agenda, there is another item which is designating the new uh parkland just south of uh Sand Hill Crane Park or West Melbourne Community Park, whichever it's called right at this moment in time. Um, and so it's kind of a chicken or the egg item. Um, we're public hearings are always first on the agenda and so this is a public hearing to to name uh both West Melbourne Community Park and the new parkland as Sand Hill Crane Park. However, uh, a few agenda items down the list here, we are officially dedicating that uh, as parkland. And so the the two

kind of dovetail together which one should be first or second is is really kind of a logistical item that um considering we're doing it on the same night I don't think really matters. Uh but public hearings are always done first and so that's why we're taking this action this evening. So again, just to clarify, this would be renaming the West Melbourne Community Park to Sand Hill Crane Park. And that would encompass both the existing West Melbourne Community Park and the new parkland uh adjacent just to the south of the existing community, West Melbourne Community Park. Happy to answer any questions. Miss Bolt.

Yes, I have a question about the Field of Dreams up front. Um, I know that previously we talked about the sign being in the back, but um, since that specific corner of the park is the Field of Dreams, is it possible to leave that sign up on Mitten? So, another item we all we did all of these items this evening uh together at the same time is coming up later in the agenda is all the new signage for all the all the parks. And so, I don't know if that would be a better time to entertain that discussion just because we have some maps and some diagrams. It might be easier for everybody to visualize it better, but that's a qu that's a fair question.

All right. Thank you. This is a public hearing. We'll open the public hearing. Um, are there any speaker cards? All right, we will close the public hearing. Um, Miss Adams,

thank you, mayor. I I did get a question from a resident who was asking when they saw the agenda, why are we going from community park to a specific name, so I did explain it to them, but I had let Mr. Rodie know that I thought that might be something beneficial to include in the meeting as well because we may have other residents wondering the same thing. Uh I know council in our workshop discussion had we had talked a lot about the community park and the challenge that it has with its identity within the city especially because all of the public parks that we have in the city of West Melbourne are all community parks. They're for all of our residents. And so as we talked about that, we also talked about the city logo and our identity as a city. And you will notice there is a sand hill crane in that logo. Uh Mr. Bradford's very excited with that. Um but you know that was from my recollection in the workshop that was how we sort of came about the the conversation around giving the name to the the community park as we also discussed making the new land parkland and and making that more of a natural and trail system park. So I just wanted to bring that up because it was something that I was asked. So, you may also be asked u by residents in in future conversations. Um, with that, I would like to make a motion uh to approve resolution 2026-06 uh renaming the community park to San Hill Crane Park.

Thank you, Miss McGuire. Uh, thank you, Mayor. I would like to second with comment.

All right, your comment, please. Um, as somebody who has lived in the West Melbourne area for probably about nine years at this point, um, this morning alone I went to go south on Minton and couldn't because a sandill a sandill blocked two of them, a lovely I assume mating couple blocked the path to disallow anybody from going south on Minton this morning. Um, and if that was anything but reassuring as to why we are trying to rename this park to the Sand Hill Crane Park, um, that that was a sign in a way um to say that they are everywhere. I can't go anywhere without them blocking my path. Um, I tr I kid you not, I tried to turn into the left lane and the sand hill turned itself into the left lane and I sat there and waited um, happily. However, it shows how much uh, they are a part of our community as much as any other resident is a part of our community. Um, and I am happy um, to second the renaming to the Sand Hill Crane Park. Thank you, Mr. Francis.

Probably a good thing. Um although it seems like this resol it it wasn't made by one person and and um it was a long discussion. Um we went through a lot of different things. Uh, and as everybody said, it was a struggling with the identity of is it we're going to have three different names for the different parks that are all kind of connected and we and uh, you know, it was a group decision. It was, you know, and we're making it official tonight, but it was it we didn't take it lightly and we we talked a lot about it. So, um, I just wanted to say that I know for a long time it's been one thing, but we're trying to bring it all together. So, that's all I have to say. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Boltz.

I guess um I don't really I've never seen a Sanhill crane over there. I have to say as many times as I've lived in West Melbourne 24 years, I've never seen a Sanhill crane there anywhere around there. So, I don't know whether I'm driving at the wrong times of the day or whatever, but in any case, I've never seen a Sand Hill crane over there. And and so, um, well, I know that this is probably going to pass and I will probably vote for, but I don't like the name change. I'd just rather it all be West Melbourne Community Park. Um, but again, like I said, I will vote for it. But those are just my comments. All right, we have a motion on the floor from Miss Adams, a second from Miss Magguire. All those in favor of renaming the park, please signify by saying I.

I. Those opposed say nay. Motion carries 61 with Miss Folultz. No, she voted yes. I'm sorry. I thought you heard I heard the A part. Okay. Okay. 70. Motion carries 70. All right. Thank you. All right, public forum again. Do we have any public forum cards? Nope, I did not think so. All right, then we will go to the consent agenda, Mr. Francis. I make a motion we accept the consent agenda as presented. Thank you, Miss Adams. I'll second.

All right, we have a motion on the floor from Mr. Frampus, second from Miss Adams. All those in favor of approving the um the the minutes, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Motion carries 70. Action agenda non-consent appointment to Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. Thank you, Mayor. Are

Oh, you're going to take this. Okay. Thank you. Um uh as the council may not be aware, we recently had one of our members resign from the parks and recreation board. She still is a member of code enforcement, but for whatever reason, she decided to um asked to be u replaced on the parks and recreation board. So we Linda Polardi. So we received this application that's in front of you now um from um a woman by the name of Nichollet Tally. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. She is a registered voter and a resident of the city. She has extensive parks experience. If you had an opportunity to review her resume, she worked as a ranger for several national parks, Arizona, Arkansas, DC. She also performed as an analyst for these parks. And excuse me, if you look at some of the duties of the parks and recreation board, that experience could come in very handy when um it's a matter of like reviewing policies and things of that nature because I'm sure she's probably seen many many many throughout her career. She's present in the audience this evening if anyone would like to ask her any questions. There she is waving. Um so it's up to the council whether or not you wish to appoint her to this board. This is the only application. I'm sure she can come up and introduce herself. Yes.

Thank you, Miss Deli. Yes, please step forward. Hello. Hi.

Alli. I have worked for 11 years with the National Park Service. I started when I was getting my master's degree in public history at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock. I am born and raised in Winter Park, Florida, Orlando, Florida. Um, and I did go to the University of South Florida. Sorry. Go Bulls. Um, but very excited to come and represent West Melbourne if possible in parks and wreck. Um, I moved to West Melbourne very recently with my husband and our 13-year-old dog. And, um, we've already started being in the area, loving the area very much. Part-time, I work for American Cruise Lines as a onboard historian. Um, so I would love to dedicate some time with you all and stay in the park and wreck business as long as I can. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. I'm very glad you came tonight. I read your resume and wanted to meet you. So, I'm very glad you came, Mr. Frampus. I'll make a motion we accept Miss Tally to the parks and rec advisory board. Thank you, Miss Magguire. Uh, thank you, mayor. I will second with question. All right. Your question, please. Uh, actually, it's for the applicant. If you would you please come back? No, you're good. No, back up a little bit. I can talk to you about It's not that, but you did say historian. Um um so you mentioned that you currently do historian work for a cruise line, American cruise lines.

Okay, thank you. Um can you kind of tell me what that means and kind of how that translates into like a city's historian world? Sure. So um it's kind of like a guest speaker role and as that as a focus of history from what I have in my past, that's my main focus for it. um they build it as a historian on board. So basically you go on board for the cruise for instance one of them leaves at the end of the month. It goes from St. Petersburg all the way up to Amelia Island. And so you need to know the Florida history pretty well um in order to talk about every port that you're going to stop in. You give presentations at the end of the day. And all of mine are going to be focused on some form of Florida history, whether it be way early in 1513 in Filillion or if I'm coming up a little bit earlier with some of the space race and some of the more interesting history that's in this local area.

Perfect. Thank you. Very interesting. Thank you. Yes, I don't see any more questions. I have no more lights on. Right. Thank you. All right. We have a motion on the floor from Mr. Frampus, a second from Miss Magguire. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those again say nay. Motion carries 70. All right. Thank

Yes. Welcome. Next item. Designation of newly acquired parcels as parkland. Mr. Broie. Um before we go to this next item, just logistically, there is a park and wreck meeting tomorrow night. I don't know if our new member knows about said park and wreck meeting tomorrow night. So, I don't know. Maybe Erin, if you could grab her and um maybe speak outside real quick and just uh let her know about that. Just that popped into my head. So, I apologize uh for that disruption. Mayor, uh next up, as mentioned earlier, uh is the action item to uh incorporate our new piece of property that the city of West Melbourne purchased at 24.6 acres along Mitten just south of San Hill Crane Park. uh both designated it as parkland and also incorporating it as one park so that that the city of West Melbourne San Hill Crane Park will be both the old community West Melbourne community park and this new parkland. So this kind of brings it all together and I apologize about the whether one should have been in front of the other or they should have been right next to each other.

The egg this this is this is the chicken or is this the egg? I don't know. just curious. So, uh I apologize about a little any confusion that that's brought, but um our our code does say that we do public hearings first. So, I had the public hearing first. Happy to answer any questions. All right. And Miss Adams.

Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Rodie, in terms of I know we had talked about most of this agenda all related to parks specifically and in the workshop council was behind this location being designated as parkland. Um but can you share a little bit about why it's specifically important that we make sure before we move forward with actually doing anything with the parcel that this gets designated as parkland? Yeah, we just had a good conversation and I thought that was worthwhile to share.

A couple of interesting elements. Um, one of the new live local provisions is that if any municipality has surplus land, it's eligible for live local development. Now, the rules and the format of that haven't really been established yet, but I think uh typically in the past um whether in Florida or or in my past career, once the city has ownership over a piece of property, the council ultimately always controls that piece of property. with the provisions in the live local. I don't want uh any confusion in the development world that this is by any stretch of the imagination surplus property that the city owns. And so I think the the action of dedicating it as parkland and then uh the action earlier of naming it San Hill Crane Park takes any ambiguity out of that situation whether this is surplus land or not. And so that's an important element. Um, we probably, all things considered, we probably could have waited six months until we had maybe a better site plan for a possible community center and some trails and done that then. But since tonight's theme of the council meeting is all things parked, thought it would be a good opportunity.

Thank you, sir. I'd like to make a motion to approve the designation of the 24.6 six acres of vacant land included in our packet as uh public parkland. All right. Thank you, Miss Wolz. I will second then, but I do have a question. Something new your question.

Um is is it going to be named West Melbourne Sanhill Crane Park or just Stan Hill Crane Park? So, very good question that has come up in conversation um with other elected officials and staff. Um all of our parks are just named the park. So, Tallwood is Tallwood Park. It's not West Melbourne, Tallwood Park. And so, Sand Hill Crane Park is the name. Um not, you know, West Melbourne Sand Hill Crane Park, but we're changing Sand Hill. Melbourne Park Community Park.

We are changing West Melbourne Community Park to Sand Hill Crane Park. And so it's just Sand Hill Crane Park. Just Sand Hill Crane Park. Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Frampus. Uh question. Do we need to also designate this as part of San Hill Crane Park in the motion? So in in the or in the public hearing ordinance, we incorporated the new parkland So, in the chicken. So, the chicken has already hatched into the egg. And now we're to the egg. Okay. So, so it's already been done. All right. Don, you thought this would go smoother. I'm joking. He did not think this would you thought this would go like this.

All right. We have a motion on the floor from Miss Adams, a second from Miss Boltz. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposed say nay. Motion carries. 70. All right. 8C celebrated park entryways. Aaron Murphy. Let's talk. Here's where we go. And this was very park for

Good evening, mayor, deputy mayor, council. Um, I'm here for you tonight to talk about our proposed locations and um, associated pricing with the different sizes that we have chosen for each sign for the park entryways. Um, we worked really hard on choosing where we were going to put the signs and what size we were looking at. Um, I also wanted to be a good steward of financial dollars, so I did take that into account every time I tried to place a sign. And um so the first one is Westbrook and um that we chose a large sign because it is a larger park. Um and then it has the two wayfinding signs. I know there was a question on what the back of the signs would look like. They were teal for the larger sign. So, it' be the teal color and then on the way finding it would either be the reverse of what it was showing or it could just be white depending on how the sign was placed and how we wanted it. But like um for that one, it would just have the opposite directional signs for right here. So, it would go the opposite direction for where we had placed it for the wayfinding. Any questions on that?

Yes. Um I'm sorry. I do have a question if else does. Miss Voltz, is your light still on from your from your second or is this a new All right, Miss Voltz, the um those signs and if they're plain in the back, correct? They could either be plain the plain white or it would be the opposite directional signage from where everything was going. I think it should be the opposite only because then it doesn't give somebody an opportunity to write something on the backside of a plain sign, right? You know, so that was those are just my thoughts on that one.

Miss Adams,

thank you, Mayor. Um, echoing what Miss Faultz had said, I know the concern was what goes on the back of them, especially, you know, if this if the directional signage is going to be on the other side. I think that makes sense for the larger signs. Um, I believe Mr. Framp has brought up concerns about if there's graffiti or something that goes on on that other side. I would still like to hope that's not the case. Uh but is it better that we leave it teal and blank and if it becomes an issue add something to the back in your experience or is it better to be proactive add something to the back and then hope that that discourages people since there's already something on the back of it? I don't have experience with managing graffiti so I' love any input you have. And then I have a second question as well. I did talk to the park staff about how much graffiti they thought would possibly be on the signs and they didn't say it has been a problem in the past with sign graffiti. I know that this would be a larger blank slate. So, I'm not sure what that would bring, but um right now we don't have a lot of problems with graffiti on our signs. Um it's more of a restroom kind of area kind of problem when it does happen. Um which actually isn't very often, but um I did talk to the park staff. One thing that um I had spoken to Tom about is possibly putting the logo on the back and maybe that would take up some of the space or I know you had mentioned like thank you for visiting depending on where the sign was placed. Unfortunately like some of them it wouldn't it kind of wouldn't make sense for the thanks for visiting for how they're placed but um we thought maybe the logo or something like that may be a deterrent from if it wouldn't just be a blank slate. If you think the slate is going to be enough of a deterrent because maybe it's a color or maybe because of where it's located, where it, you know, if it's seen by the public, maybe that decreases the chance. I just

wanted to ask uh my second question is in regards to I'm looking at the Westbrook example and we have the symbols at the bottom for the amenities of the park, but I did notice some of the other large signs for other parks did not have the amenities symbols. Are they going to be on all of the large signs that look like Tallwood or Tallwood, sorry, Westbrook? So, Westbrook and Tallwood were the only two large signs that I had put in there.

Clemenswood, I had put a smaller sign. We could do a large sign in Clemenswood. Um, I just thought out of all of them that that one was closer to all the amenities that was there. So, I didn't know if it needed the larger sign for the placement of it because all the amenities kind of were right around it. Um, but we could put a large sign at Clemenswood. It would just be $7,000 more, but there's not room on the size that currently is being proposed there to put those. Then I don't think it's worth a $7,000 extra even for the Sand Hill Crane Park.

Well, we're we're getting there. I'm talking about the examples she brought up. That was going to be my follow-up question is it's currently not on the design for Sand Hill Crane Park, but that's a large park. that is a large park, but um I felt with the because we have the large um the screen on that sign that the three smaller signs were fine and we were having the wayfinding signs inside the park that or the two wayf finding signs, excuse me, that I didn't think that it needed the larger signs in the park. I just thought maybe they would be too overpowering in the places that they were being put. But again, we can I'm open.

Fair. And I I'd rather, you know, there's a balance between you want to save the city money, but also knowing that this is our most popular and most visited park. I think there could be value there, but I'm open to hearing the rest of council's opinion. Thank you, Miss Magguire.

Um, thank you, mayor. Uh, personally looking at this, I personally would prefer as it's presented to go park to park. Um, looking at what's in front of me in terms of Westbrook, um, I see that, you know, we have our main sign, we have one of our directional signs, we we have two directional signs. Sorry, let me backtrack that. And one of the directional signs, it clearly seems like there is a a backside to that directional sign. uh looking at your your third red on Yep. You see right there with the the sidewalk right behind it. Um to me it makes sense for that to have the equal, you know, if it's this way, it's this way. If it's that way, it's that way. Um directional signs. For the other one where it's just nothing but green and trees, it makes sense for it to just be a blank sign. for your main park if there's nothing behind it. It makes sense to me for it to just be, you know, a blank welcome to the park sign. Um, so looking at Westbrook particularly as presented as long as that third one is mirrored on the back side, this this makes sense to me. So double-sided on the corner

where it seems like it would make sense for people to look at it and go, "Oh yeah, this is this way. That's that way."

But if you're doing a walking trail down that on that third sign. Hold on. Hold on. Miss Volt, it's Mr. Gaylord's turn.

Sorry, Mr. Gaylord. I was just going to echo um those comments from Miss Maguire, but I also say like I mean depending on which direction you're coming from, I guess the reverse signs might be helpful on all of them depending on where you're coming from, but certainly on the third sign for sure. Um, I would say as well for the other park entrances, I don't know if we were going one at a time, but the, uh, as Miss Adams brought up, um, the other parks not having the amenity symbols on the on the signs, uh, was an interesting touch that you noted that it would be an upcharge for us given that it's a graphic symbol that they put on a sign. Surprised they just can't resize that. a bigger sign.

It's also a larger sign. Okay. Um I would be I think it'd be I think we'd be remiss if we didn't uh at least you know entertain that idea as Miss Adams said for the Xanhill Crane Park. Um I'd be interested in council's thoughts about the other parks, but I'd certainly see the value add in uh entertaining uh the the graphic symbols for for the San Park. Thank you, Mr. Francis.

So, I kind of feel the same way uh that most of you feel uh that if you're coming from the back side of the directional signs and you know you can see the back as in what we're looking at in Westbrook, it makes makes a lot of sense to have it on both sides. If we're not worried about graffiti or something, um absolutely. I don't think it's needed in the grassy areas for where people are playing. Just, you know, if you're walking on the sidewalk, get directions uh wherever it makes sense. I have full confidence in you that you can figure out where it makes sense. Um I'm concerned about this San Hill Crane Park. I think at the north entrance, I think we need to have the the symbols uh where the where the two parks come together to have it on one side of the road and not the other side of the road. I know I think it's going to take a little more thought uh whether you you have it at the entrance of the the new parkland that we designed over by where the rec center is and and have some maybe a smaller sign between the road on what's that flanigan there. Um because you're not going to have a sign on both sides of the road. So, it's a little I I think it's going to take a little more thought

um whether you even need a sign there at all. If you're going to have it at the north end and the south end and we have the electronic sign in the middle, do we really need a sign at the entrance of both of those over there down in the middle? I I just I think we might want to hold off on making that decision or or at least uh I don't know, Mr. Ro, do you have any thoughts on that? because it to have it in the middle it's just I don't know just you either have it on both sides or you don't have it on either side or you put two smaller signs there. Right. Right.

It part part of why we liked we we had a very similar debate internally. Um and just so everybody references we're looking at the next cut sheet which is San Hill Crane Park. We're looking at the first there's San Hill Crane has two cut sheets. The first one is the bigger signs. The second is the directional sign. So we're looking at the first one. Um there's a what we're calling the medium sign. correct is located at the entrances at the south side of Fel and at the I'm sorry at the north side at FEL and at the south side at Flanig again.

Yeah, I'm saying the one on on Fell Road. It would be nice to have the little icons on there. Uh the bigger the bigger sign and maybe at the south end of the new parkland that entrance have the big sign and maybe

Yeah. And part part of our discussion was in the future that spine road will continue. So if you imagine yourself le exiting the San Hill Crane Park right now you have two options left or right on Flanigan. In the future you'll have an additional spine road or an additional driveway entrance if you will to the the the south part of the park straight across the street. And so the question is, you know, one of our concerns is we definitely want to sign at that corner to separate ourselves from Roads Park because that's a common challenge that we have. Um people from not from the area coming to Roads Park and they they get to this intersection and they see a park and they go, "Well, I must be at the right spot." And so we like we like a sign there. Could it be San Hill Crane Rex Center?

Well, well, and that's,

you know, ultimately we do envision one sign on each side of the street because and partly because of the confusion of Roads Park, which West, you know, San Hill Crane Park often gets referred to as Roads Park because it was Roads Park. And so kind of over signage and again maybe in 25 years uh the the group of people that are in the new room because they won't be in this room um will say why do we have so much signage you know because it'll be a little bit more established there but I think to us it was important to have a sign. We debated whether it should be a a a larger sign or the medium sign. And again, we thought the medium medium medium sign uh complemented the north side. But again, that's why we brought this, you know, we're we're you know, trying to balance all those things together and come up with a plan. And this is why we wanted to have this discussion, right? If we think the larger signs at the entrance with the uh amenities adds value, then we are all for that. We we certainly uh thought of that and contemplated that and just landed on the median med middle side medium sign signs for those entrances

and none of them are lighted, right? So some will be some will be lighted. Yeah. The up lighting on on the bigger signs or just on the mediums as well. We could do it wherever we feel is necessary. Where do we feel it's necessary? That's the question. So almost all the medium medium size signs will have the up lighting. Okay. And any sign that's lit now obviously will stay lit. I kind of like the look of the big sign with the with the markers on it. I think it defines especially in the bigger park. I don't know. That's just how I feel. Thank you.

Yes. Can I get back to Westbrook? the big sign there that you have on the uh left. Um I'm trying to figure out where that is located. So, you know, when you're um so right when you turn on there, there is the large Westbrook sign, the community sign like right there at the corner the corner of what? Um of Hollywood and um yeah, Windgate. Windgate. Windgate. And then when you go that to enter when you enter into the park, it's right there on the left hand side. We we have a sign currently right there.

It's it's right off the road quite to the play area. It's it's before the park. Many times I've been over there, I've never seen a sign. I don't know why. Uh it must be small. It it you know, is it really small or what? It's not super. I just don't bother looking at it because I'm looking for something else. It's It's taller than Diana. Well, it's probably taller than me, too. So, it's taller than me. It's taller than It's a large It's It's a pretty large sign. It

I'm in all fair in all fairness. The the It's lands It's got a very nice land. Well, it used to until the cold spell had a very nice landscaped area around it. That's probably probably blended in and it wasn't a very decorative sign to begin with. They're they're brown so they kind of do they they kind of So, is it going in the same spot? Yes, it's it's around that same area. Okay. So, as you pull in the driveway off of um Hollywood and Windgate, it's going to be on the left hand side. The driveway of the park. Yes.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, and on the let's see on the sand hill crane. Um, I think it's we have signs inside the park currently. No, no, I know we don't. But you're putting signs inside of the park. The next page would be the Yeah. Slide three or the graphic three. um which is 8 C-5 C-5. We're adding two because these numbers wayfinding the wayfinders

this is it that would list the amenities on them inside the park. These are inside the park. Well, this looks like it's inside the park, too. Definitely leave room for it because No, this Well, that's coming soon over here, right? So, this those two little pavilions that are Okay. So, it's right on Flanigan, right? Right off the little dog. Okay. And then that one's in the corner and then that one's near the parking lot and these are inside. Okay. Yeah, those are those need to be inside for sure. Yeah. So, the right as you we're not putting the Field of Dreams anywhere.

So, the the Field of Dreams. So, great great question. the Field of Dreams sign. There is there's one sign that's existing, but the one that's along Mint Minton, we are going to relocate at the entrance, what I what I would call the north entrance of the Field of Dreams area because it's a very nice sign. Okay. Well, the one is the entrance to the parking lot. There's It says So off that northern, if you're looking at your graphic, there's a a a northern parking lot along the Field of Dreams. Um, okay. I'm looking at Fel Road here.

Yep. So, in between the the current Field of Dreams and Fel Road, there's a parking lot. Our our our park parking lot. the in between the soccer and the basketball are two very large pavil pavilions and a very large uh land uh landscape uh walkway brick brick walkway that's really nice that that is an exit or an entrance a gated exit entrance that's very nice to what we would consider the north entrance of of the field of dreams and that's where we're going to relocate that very nice sign for the one that's right practically on Mitt. That's on Minton. Correct.

The one that's going into the parking lot you're going to leave there. So there there's one there now. It's not as nice as the one along Minton. So you're not going to leave one any sign there. There will be one. Yes, there will still be one big Field of Dreams sign at the at the north entrance of the Field of Dream parking lot off the parking lot.

Okay, that's what I wanted to be sure. Thank you, Miss Magcguire. Um, can we go back a slide or forward a slide? Honestly, nope. Forward. Oh, no. Okay. So, I'm just going to have to point. Um, so we have the directionals, you know, right there at the like right below A's place. We have it right there at the skate park. Um, as somebody who frequencies park very very very often with my son. Um whether we're parking on the spine or whether we're parking in that extra space up to the north right there along Fell Road. Um I frequently hear people who come into the park whether it's on the spine right there um right at the overpass right before you get into the park or whether it's to the north right there at fell when you get into that public parking right before you hit the courts. um that go I don't know where to go.

We another item debated. Where do I go? Another item debated was that north entrance that we're talking about um that that Councilwoman Votes and I were just discussing. Um adding another wayfinding sign there. It's one of those we talked about it. How how many way findings do you you know do you I think we're talking I mean are you talking and no so I'm talking the north and the west so I'm talking right when you enter to Yep. Yep. Right there where the cursor is pointing currently. That is definitely another popular entrance. Yep. And the the question is how many how many wayfinding signs are too many wayfinding signs?

The exact same thing, right? No. So that's what you um trying to figure out where

I So people park and then they go I see the playground. What else is here? So it's more of a like I've parked. I see the playground. I understand this is a big parkland. I don't know where to go. Where do I go? And normally I'm like oh well there's a splash pad there. There's a basketball court there. There's putt there. There's this there. There's that there. there's that there and they're like, "Oh, thank you. I really appreciate it. I would have never known." And so it's like, "How do we balance the that north on FEL parking lot versus the spine to the west?" Like, how do we balance that?

Yeah. I I think, you know, if the council's open to it, we could add another directional sign at what is probably the next most popular entrance for us, which is on the spine road in between the soccer fields and the Field of Dreams buildings and the bathrooms is is another very popular. But I I'm so I think it would be better on the west side of the parking lot because the cars are always blocked there. Excuse me. On the other side, they're not blocked there. Mr. Bentley is next after Mr. Frampus. Sorry. He's talking out of turn tonight. Yeah, you're

still Thank you. Um I I know you keep talking about the wayfinding sign. I I see a lot of times that the national parks just like a a flat where they have a map of the park which it tells you where the fountain is and kind of like after you park you can you can look at these flat boards that have the little maps on. You don't have to look like this but I mean it tells you exactly where things are in the park. It would make a lot of sense to me to be where the main parking areas are to have a map board that allows you something to think about. Um maybe bring it back in a different meeting or something.

Yeah, I doesn't have to be a sign per se. You know, we're we're talking about we're we're talking about the same thing, but we're talking I I just want to clarify that those are two two different types of request. I think the map is a really good idea. I I I think that's that's needed. Signage, but but the wayinding is meant more for when you're coming into the park where to go where where the map I've already parked. I'm out of the car and I'm I'm already walking with the kids or what have you. And so

two of these is probably good coming in. You can see where to park. And then if you get out, you could, you know, I I think an additional wayfinding at the pretty popular entrance, which is that walkway off a spinal

between the soccer park and and the Field of Dreams building. That's a pretty popular walkway. That would be We'd certainly catch people looking right at that time, deciding where to park, and then looking at where we could do some map locations. I know we do have the big um uh the digital sign that's hanging at A's place. We could incorporate a map into that, but we could also do some map signs. Well, that's kind of out of the way, too. I mean, you're that's more of a message board.

It message board, but but we could flash that's that's a big screen. Tom, how big is that TV at that we hung that you hung? We we collectively Yeah. So, it'll be at the Field of Dreams on the actual building. So, right when you walk in from that north entrance from the Spine Road, we're going to put a TV right as you're coming in. Oh, nice. Like a digital message kind of when you go out into the lobby here. That's is what we're going to do. Nice. Oh, nice. Thank you. Sorry. I consider once I once I've signed and paid for something that we we have it. So, I I apologize.

We doing something similar to that over like um on over near the skate park where the uh the building where the skate park we get a little more I'm just saying a similar I know where that thing is. We not at the skate park, but you have that building over there where the You're right. We we we tend to think security and how rugged it needs to be when it's around the skate park.

Okay. Thank you. that that that's a a little more of a challenging near the building uh and the parents with all the kids is much safer. Um but we would definitely look at that. But um I think moving park by park has worked out really well and so I don't know if there's any more comments on San Hill uh Crane Park or if we want to move to Hammock Lakes. Are we still looking at adding a wayfinding sign after Mr. B? I think a wayfinding at the north at the north entrance uh between the soccer field and the seemed to be a consensus. Okay, Mr. Bentley.

Thank you, Mayor. I like Steve's idea of putting that map actually very close to the entrance sidewalk where between those two items that you mentioned, uh the Field of Dreams building and the soccer field. So, I I like having I would like having that right there because everybody comes into that gate and kind of stops and and and I think that'd be a great place for it. Um I like the looks of the sign that's the I guess the signs that you have at Sand Hill Crane Park. Uh as well as the one at Westbrook. It just seems a little bit odd to me and I think this was even mentioned maybe that Westbrook signs the high-end sign and our premier park is the but you have more of them,

right? Well, and and San Hill Crane Park still has the biggest monument sign of any park that's in existence, right? It's not we're we're upgrading it, but if you look at the graphic on the screen now, um the digital sign at San Hill Crane Park that has the A's Place and and ours, it's getting the upgraded look, but it's also it's also by far the largest monument sign for any of our parks and that's staying. Thank you, mayor.

All right. Thank you, Miss Magguire. Um, I will also agree that putting something on that uh, sorry, west side um, right there along the spine where people kind of enter in that common entrance could be very useful because that's where most people enter in when they're coming to the park, whether they're looking for where do they go if they're trying to get to the ballpark, if they're trying to get to the skate park. I I've seen it firsthand bringing my own son. People go, "Where where do I go?" And I'm like, "What are you looking for? Soccer field, te-ball, putt, playground." Um, so a lot of people kind of get to that point and go, "Where do I go from here?" Um, I don't think it needs anything, you know, fancy as to what's currently on the screen, but just the general like, "Go here for skate park, go here for this, go here for that, go here for that, blah blah blah." uh should work fine for that park.

On the west side of that parking lot, Miss Adams,

thank you, mayor. I spent time as people were talking listening to the input, but also considering the cost. I think if we're going to add the extra wayfinding, and this is just my opinion, if we add in the money for an extra wayfinding sign, I think we should then keep the original signs that you have in this design, not go for the bigger size with the symbols because I think that would almost feel unnecessary if we're putting in additional signage. U keeping in mind, yes, it's a large park, but it's not exorbitantly large. And I think after you come the first couple times, people do figure it out and new people do they will see the different wayfinding signage that will already be there. So I just don't I can't see the justification for the larger signs looking at it now knowing that we're putting money in for extra wayfinding signs. So that's my opinion on that. U in regards to I think it was Mr. has brought up the sign along Flanigan. Knowing that the parkland next to it, you know, we haven't designed what that space is exactly going to look like and and waiting on engineering and stuff like that. I'd be curious if it throws a wrench in any planning if we if we move forward with the other signage and what if we pause adding in that oneoff plan again until we have the extra parkland you know more established and that way we can actually see it decide if it's necessary because what I don't want to do is spend the money and put a sign there and then we're having the discussion of well what do we do right across the street. Well, now we're locked in because we've already just put a sign, you know, how many yards across the way. That's just my opinion. I don't know if it matters with your quote and with the um company in terms of signage, but I'd just be curious, would it be worth holding off on that one until we

move forward with that one? Um, and then my last question was in regards to um, accessibility for people that are blind, do these signage pieces, especially the wayfinding signs, do they have braille or anything for people who may not be able to visually see the sign but still come to that park, especially considering we have the Field of Dreams within San Hill Crane Park. I hadn't asked that, but I can find out. I just think it's important. Thank you. Oh, for sure. Mr. Gaylord. Oh, you just turned it. It's been there. I've been watching. Mr. Mr. Francis, you're up again.

So, a lot of the map map boards have braille on them. So, that you know, if we're going to consider that, that's I think that's a better spot for them because you're really not going to go walk alongside the road, especially if you're blind and try to touch the big signs. I wouldn't think because you're going to have a monument around them anyhow, right? I mean, well, I was considering how many of those physical laid flat maps we're going to have versus a wayfinding sign.

Um, and the my other question is if we like these medium-sized signs, why don't we just use them throughout instead of having the big signs? I Yeah, I think the big signs, you know, especially at at uh um what do how many we have in like two or three of those? So, CL uh we have two of them. Two of them. Westbrook and and Tallwood and Tallwood have have their have the from the street the monument sign has those

as well. So, I mean, why I I just seems if we're going to save money and we're worried about all the money we're spending, just use the mediumsiz signs and the way signs and and be done with it. Last time, there may I promise. Okay. Miss both.

Yeah. Um I'm thinking if somebody is blind, they're coming with somebody else and somebody else is going to give them direction. So, is it really necessary to put anything else on there? Um, I don't know. That just doesn't make any sense to me uh at all because you know that they're coming with somebody else who's going to direct them to wherever they are going. Unless you have another thought.

My thinking is respectfully as somebody with a disability. If if somebody said, you know, if I'm using my wheelchair coming up to this door and there wasn't a push button or something that I could use to access the building and the response was, well, you might have somebody with you who's going to open that door. I would probably a little different than being blind. I'm just giving you my No, I I understand that. I understand that totally, but um somebody blind is not going to be driving there. They're going to be driven there by somebody. anticipate that one person at a time. Miss Volts, you had the floor.

Yeah. And I So anyway, um I think that was all but I I did agree with other things that you had said about Miss Magguire. Uh two questions.

Thank you. So two questions. Um one on to the ADA accessessible side of things. Um, obviously having something that meets, you know, your standard ADA accessessible. Obviously, city, we're very minded to, you know, what's legally required. You know, what kind of makes it more so than legally required. Um, I'm not too worried on that side. I know that we will meet requirements as required and if not exceed them. Um, but going back to Santill Crane, if you will, please. Um, looking kind of looking at what I'm seeing in front, you know, we mentioned that only two of our parks have these, you know, the big beautiful signs that have the cute little, you know, national parks, you know, wayfinder things that say go here, go here, go here. Um, for it to not happen within Sandill Crane seems weird, for lack of a better way to put it. If this is our if this is our premier park, if this is our this is our best we can do, if this is the we expect everything beautiful and everything to be in this park, for us to not have our premier signs be within that park um does seem a little abnormal. Um, not to say that it doesn't look fine from the pictures that I'm seeing, but thinking about, for example, on Flanigan right there where that sign is pictured to go right before the spine, knowing that, you know, to the left there's going to be a new road that connects to, you know, the community center and more parking and more trails. Um, I agree that I don't want to lock ourselves in to it, but I also don't want to lock

ourselves out from it. Um, so I agree with the other two in that park, but that one specifically on Flanigan. I I would agree that waiting and seeing kind of makes sense because showing what we truly are going to offer makes the most sense. I don't I don't want to waste money and show like, oh, here's this to the left. Here's this to the right if we don't end up putting something to the left or to the right. Thank you, Mayor. Okay,

Mr. Gaylord. Um, just wanted to echo uh the comments from council member Adams and deputy mayor McGuire about uh holding off on the sign on Flanigan until we better know where how what the park across the street's going to look like. I would also want to say as well that um uh the having the disparity between the symbols on Tallwood in Westbrook and not on San Hill Crane kind of feels um a little awkward. Um so I'm not sure how council wants to solve that or if it or the council views it as a problem. Personally, I just think aesthetically it's a little awkward um to not have those symbols at our premier park. Um but to have them at other parks,

to to that point, we we did look at the Sand Hill Crane park sign. I'll call it a long mitten on the north side of the park. That That's a long mitten. It's a mediumsiz sign in the in the presentation. Um, we didn't we're trying not to take too much away from the main sign, but we could make that sign along Mitten. We could make that a larger sign with all the the logos on it with all the um elements. You could, but that that would that would add another nice

sign there. You you had said that the cost for the upgrading the medium sign is about $7,000. Yes. 30. It's a little less than$7,000. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bentley.

Thank you. I I would say to M. Magguire, I I think that's kind of the same thought that I had on you don't have your premier sign on your premier park, but I thought Mr. Roie made a good point with the A sign because it does have the brick columns and the brick across the bottom. So, kind of talked me into, okay, I understand his argument there. Um and and I do kind of like the fact that these three signs look the same. Um the other three signs. So that's I kind of talk myself out of asking him to put the big sign at this park because because I thank Premier Park, Premier sign, but that other's a premier sign. The one with the digital writing. That's probably as premier as you're going to get it.

Uh so that's where I am. Thank you.

All right, Miss Adams. I'll uh ne negate his opinion with my own. Sorry. Um I think looking at the I know we had talked a couple meetings ago about the value of putting those symbols so that people knew it was at the park but seeing them in terms of where they would be placed at all the different parks, hearing the discussion of looking at a park of like Tallwood uh which is currently you know getting community feedback which is great. Uh but comparing that to something like San Hill Crane Park uh I think if the question becomes do we then upgrade all of them you know at this park because it's the premier park but also knowing that we are spending the money and investing in a parks master plan to then you know elevate all of our parks. My personal opinion is let's keep them all the same. And if the question is, is it worth paying more for the bigger, flashier sign or what we're seeing currently at San Hill Crane Park, I actually think I like the simpler, less expensive signs. I think that goes further with city money. Thank you,

Miss Mclair. to clarify on the sign that already exists at the Sand Hill Crane Park. Um, as what's pictured, the stone looks different. It It looks as Mr. Frampus just said, it kind of looks like an advertisement. Um, are we planning to change that to update it to the current park plan or is it just to keep it as is? We were going to remove the stone at the bottom to be more consistent with the rest of them. Just the just the bottom or the pillar? Just the bottom right now. Okay.

Oh, I'm sorry. We'd be adding stone. Yeah, that's I'm sorry. I'm not Just to clarify, we're adding the stone. The stone is not there right now. I'm sorry. that that will make it look very similar to our the other new park large signs because it'll have the stone along the base of it very much like Westbrook Park. The big sign at Westbrook will have. Am I looking at something different? We have graphically inserted the stone to Yes, we we've gra because it looks like there's stone there. What do you mean? our internal arts and crafts project. Uh our our amazing team added the stone to make it look

so so everyone have a better visual. Okay, thank you. Okay. Um so to clarify, we would just make it look uniform. Correct. Okay.

Okay. Well, that was easy. Um, are you are you there's no re um the recommendation here is for a motion to approve moving forward with installation. Is that what you're looking for? We still want to go to the rest of the park. Rest of the parks. Few more parks. Okay. But are we done? Okay. Well, then hold on. I have a question on this one then. All right. For for the um for the existing sign that's there that says A's Place and then it's split with West Melbourne. Um, where is the plan to move out the A's Place and make that so now it will say Sand Hill Crane? Will it still say A's Place as long as they're still there?

Yes. So, the the deal when that was put there is they purchased that sign and built that sign and got that space as part of the lease agreement. Okay. Well, then by all means, it should be there. Okay. So, as long as they're there, they'll have they'll have that space. But we do have a plan then to replace that at some point. If at some point that circumstance changes, we will then change. That's just a face plate though. That's not that's a plastic or not plastic. Yeah. Some fancy word for plastic insert.

Okay. Muire, uh, to clarify on that, does that marquee follow to the next tenant or does that marquee stay with It's our marquee. Okay. our marquee. Thank you. Okay, let's move on.

Hammock. Hammock. Hammock legs.

I don't have any lights. My thought process was to add the wayfinding to try to maybe increase food foot traffic to know what is actually back there because it's a beautiful park back there and it does have a lot of amenities. But I think a lot of people just don't realize what is back there. They maybe know that there is a park there, but they're not sure what amenities are at the park. So the wayfinding I believe would help to maybe encourage some of the people to walk back there and see Okay. Um, Mr. Gaylord,

um, Erin, what was your thought process between, uh, this park in Westbrook about putting the medium sign here versus the large sign at Westbrook when you were designing this? I was looking at the area and the space at um, Hammock Lakes. It is a smaller little area. Westbrook had a larger thing. It is al also a larger park and it's more spread out. Hammock Lakes is kind of combined in the back and that was my thought process when I chose the signs. Okay. Thanks, Mr. Frampus. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Hammock Lakes Park is bigger than Westbrook, right? It's more

all in one area. It is a bigger park. It is. It's more confined though. Westbrook, I think, is more spread out. It It just seems a little bit How much are the How much do the little signs cost? The way I believe they are $7,925. So, if we didn't put that and we put one of the bigger signs there that has the little green emblems on there, it's almost a wash, right? instead of doing the the wayfinding sign, the smaller sign if because when you drive in, you're going to see the big sign,

you know, and and if you put the little emblems on the bottom of it, you're going to kind of know what's in the park and and it's just following the walkway around to the park. I I just I think it's I don't know, just it's a nicer looking sign. It's going to have the the brick on it and and when you drive in the community, you're going to see this nice, beautiful sign. And I'd rather have that there than the little the mediumsiz sign and away ferris sign. And I don't know, just seems like it would I'd rather have the big sign than two of the smaller signs. I don't know how everybody feels about that, but I just Anyhow,

Miss Boltz, yeah, I was looking at the wayfinding sign and it everything is in one place. I mean, like everything is off to the left. I don't know whether that's just the way it is or that's just what the sign is. It is because the houses are right there. So, I couldn't really put it. No, no, no. I'm I'm just talking about the arrowsing. Uh, yeah, I'm just talking about the arrows. Everything is to the back. Yes. Everything is pointing to one side. Yeah. Everything's then do we really need that? Well, the indicators would be what is back there.

I I think council member uh Frampus brings up a very fair point. I I mean I since I'm on the chicken or the egg analogy all night, I I think whether it's one sign with the emblems that show what's there or the medium sign with the the directional sign, I I would say that's

that's just kind of a preference of whatever the council thinks. I think they both accomplish the same thing. Um, but I think one sign would we'd certainly prefer one sign easier to maintain uh than two, you know, two you got to weed whip around. Not not again not that not that we base these decisions on on the maintenance aspect, but from a practical standpoint, they both accomplish the same thing. And so maybe on this one, the nicer sign accomplishes that better. Well, I I was looking at there's four four things to do there. Okay. I don't I can't read what they are because it's too too small. Um but could you get little icons for each one of those and put it on the bottom of the big sign

for the larger sign? Yes. So, if you did the larger No, I'm just talking about the one that you've already got there at Hammock Legs. No, because the smaller sign they couldn't accommodate the the actual it couldn't. It looks like a wide space there below. So again, the these this is this is us doing the graphics to change all the names, but keep in mind there's a standard that we're trying to hit with the the bigger signs with the logos so that people can see them while they're driving, while they're in their car. And so could you to to your question, could we squeeze those logos in and make them real small? Well, sure, we could do anything, but then they don't they kind of defeat the purpose because they're too small for people to see them.

Well, they may be too small for somebody to just drive by and what the heck was that? Yes. The larger sign, Miss Adams.

No, my vote is not for the larger sign because this is this is Hammock Lakes Park. Again, we have the question of if we're if we're putting premier signs, then it goes to the Premier Park. and I don't think they fit there, which means I don't necessarily think the larger signs should be at any of our parks. I think this size sign works for the park that we're looking at. And I don't know the resident feedback that you guys hear, but in terms of the Hammock Lakes Park, I've had residents who have reached out to me and said, I go there and I look around and I'm not really sure if there's supposed to be a park there because they don't see anything. they, you know, yes, theoretically you can see that there's a sidewalk at the back end of the parking lot,

but I think when it comes to if you're a new resident who just happens to either look on the website and you see that there's a park there or you live in one of these neighborhoods and you pull in, the question then becomes, where do we go when we park? And yes, you would hope if if people see sidewalks, they're going to follow it. But I think that wayfinding sign is especially important at that park because people are looking around and going, "Where do I go? Should I walk into one of the neighborhoods? Maybe one of their parks is the park that they're talking about." I've heard some very interesting things about this park in this location. U but I think the smaller sign works. I think once you start adding in the bigger signs with the higher cost and the the visual symbols, then we have the discussion all over again about Premier Park, premier signage, and then should be equal across the city. Thank you,

Miss Mclair.

Um to add to uh Mrs. Adam's points. It was having never actually been to this park before. I spent some time going to each one of the parks and going having never been here, having not lived in this neighborhood. What would I want or what would I need as a mother of a toddler of a teenager of whatever coming to this park for the first time and going to this one I can agree that I got there and went where do I go? Okay, there's a there's a sidewalk. I assume I followed the sidewalk. What is that correct? and I followed the sidewalk to which it did in fact lead me to the park. However, right, but as somebody who had never been there, somebody who didn't live in the area, somebody who didn't know, I had no idea where I was going when I parked. Um, and the more that we can mitigate that as it being one of our city parks and not just a that community's park, that would be preferred. That That's my only comment. Thank you,

Mr. Bentley. Thank you, Mayor. I like your presentation sheet there, and I think that makes the most sense. Thank you. Okay. Okay, Mr. Francis, I go back to my suggestion that we only use the medium-sized part, the mediumsiz signs, and not use the other sign then. I mean, I I just don't understand why if we're going to I mean, that was my original suggestion and I just I just think that I'm okay with the way finding signs. I am just go with the medium signs and be done with the big signs.

All right. You have enough information on that one, Aaron? When ready for the next Tallwood Park? No. Jan Le Jan Le. Jan Le Park. Okay. I don't have that one. Okay. Oh, yes I do.

Next mark. Next we did Clemens Woods. Okay. Yeah.

Looks great. Twood Park. I'll tell what I did put a larger sign because we are doing the master plan of it right now and it is a larger like spread out park. That's kind of in my mind that's where the larger signs win. But I could agree that a smaller sign would also work if that's what you prefer. Miss Magguire, can we go back about two parks? Oh, Janason to everybody's favorite park that nobody knows what we're doing. Um, do we know what we're doing with this park yet? Which one? Jan Le.

Jan Le. Yeah. Ultimately, you know, I think from the master plan, you know, incorporating Jan Leon into this site when we make the determination of what this site ends up ultimately looking like seems very logical that it would just be one park. Um but knowing that it's at least a year away before we start talking about the future of this park and implementation. Um Jan Leon is a park and so consistency with the signs led us to putting this medium sign there. And how much of the medium signs?

8,79. And if it were to be, let's say this whole site got renamed uh Aaron Murphy Park, which it couldn't because you haven't passed away yet, but I had to find a name and I know I had still alive. I had to pick a name and you were the easiest target right now. Um, you know, ultimately we could change the face plate for the sign if it if it ended up being, you know, Murphy Park. Yeah.

But could could we debate whether we should do anything at all or put this sign here? Yes, we debated very heavily. But knowing that it's probably 18 months to two years till we have a plan and implement that plan for this whole site. Defaulted with let's let's be consistent and and identify the parks. Is is Jan Leon a highly used park? No, it is not.

Not now. See, my hard part is what I just heard is we're probably going to end up combining the two areas together. But in the meantime, for two years, we're willing to waste a grand.

Well, I I don't think Yeah, I that's an interesting perspective that I wouldn't agree with. I don't think it's a waste of eight grand to identify a city park. Um, it is a city park. The desire was to make uniform signs for all of our city parks so that everybody knows where the parks are. We aren't going to do Brian Adams because Brian Adams really isn't known as Brian Adams and the sign. We know something different is going to happen. And so I'm contradicting my own logic that says we didn't do it for Brian Adams because we know something's happening there. What we don't know is what Jan Leon ultimately turns into whether it's standalone or part of this whole site that would make sense. And so that that's a

and we also have the large sign out there with the the scrolling sign that is already there for the Veterans Memorial Complex. And on that to clarify, you said it's in a sense it's simple to kind of change out the face plate. Like if we change the name, it we can change the names. Okay. The names can change. It would obviously be cost to relocate the sign. Okay. But that is that is off the curb. It does have a curb cut access and that is off the curb cut access. So, it's essentially the entrance of whatever that might be or it might end up just being landscaping and trees and All right. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Miss Adams. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Roadie, what's I mean, is it possible that we can if we decide to do something different with these two parks and we invest in this sign because I do understand your logic of if we do something it wouldn't be for a little while yet. Um, Is are the park signs something that we as city staff have the ability to move and relocate? Is that something we then have to hire someone? What does that look like?

We have relocated signs in the past. Um it's it's not easy and there is some cost associated with it, but we we have been able to relocate them. Changing the name is not something we, you know, we would just call the sign company and and get a price to to change out the name. That that's something a little beyond our our scope, but we have relocated signs before. Okay. Thank you, Miss Bolts. I'm wondering, do we have the money to do all this? It is budgeted for we set aside money every for to implement the master plan. Okay.

So, this was part of that. So all of the signs that you have in here, we have money to do them. Correct. Okay, that's all I want to know. Then let's just do them. Mr. Francis, so currently Jan Gleason Jan Leon Park and Brian Adams Park has a sign on it, right? There. Correct. Brian Adams is right outside. Right. They both have signs on them, right?

Yes. So the only thing that is going to happen is they're not going to match for 18 months, right? So why not just leave what's there and it won't match for 18 months? But we still named our parks. The park has a name and then then when we figure it out, change them. I mean, how long did we hold off this sign in front of city hall that we approved two years ago? I mean, we waited. What is the problem with waiting? I mean, it doesn't have to match right away. What? Just hold off a minute. We're We're going to hold off at I sounds like we're going to hold off on the Sanhill Crane Park on the Flanigan Road. Why not just hold off and wait? Why does Why do we have to make all the decision tonight is my question. I just I just think we need to wait. We're going to change this for sure. This building is going to get terrible.

Agree with that. We probably are going to combine the two. Just wait. Why do we got to spend the money? Hold off. Save the money. Change it when we know what's going on. It just makes that makes sense to me. And I and I still think it's going to be my vote to leave them all at the medium signs and do away with the big signs. So, Miss Folz, well, I don't think we're going to go out and put all these signs up tomorrow. It's going to be over what, a period of what, a year, maybe longer to do all these signs? No, it should be about a 30 to 60 day install for the signs. 30 to 60 days.

Can we just make it 60 days to six months? I mean, how long it

It's a very fair question. These are, you know, all almost all the items discussed tonight were were part of the discussion that we had leading into this process. Right. As you will recall, the council's desire was to have the logos on the signs. And so that was a new element that we had added for the signage. The whether we do Jan Leon and Brian Adams now or or not is another item we debated because again, we know something's going to happen and it's kind of the the damned if you do, damned if you don't a little bit. Sorry for using that word in a public meeting. Um, but you know, ultimately if we were to come and say we're not doing anything here because we don't know the future, then we're not following the the recommendation of the master plan, which was to uniform your parks with all the same signs to help with the marketing.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I we're we have we have no do what we need to do except for those few that you know you had just mentioned, the Jan Le and Brian Adams. Um, and we don't have to wait a year to get all this stuff done. We've been working on this for how long? A two years or more maybe. But know that we had to set a plan. We had to come to this meeting with a plan. And we knew that this would be discussed like this

and and that's important, you know, that's important that we have this discussion, but we had to create a plan. And so could the plan have have not had a sign here and someone would have said, "Well, why don't we have a sign here? It's going to be a while before we do something." So I I think we're, you know, we're, you know, don't misunderstand our plan with we think that's the only plan and the best plan. This is just the plan that we came forward and and a lot of these items were discussed internally and ultimately we went with a Jan Leon uh sign because one we can change the name if if and when the name does change or the park theme changes if you will um was kind of the thought that ruled today.

Yeah. I don't I don't think that we need to wait forever to get these things done. Um 30 to 60 days is probably just fine to get. Are they going to be able to do them all in 60 days? I mean, yeah, you already have that. I I mean, we we've been working with this vendor for long time, I'm sure. Nine months now. They're I assure you they're waiting for our order. Okay. Okay. Um well, the motion that we need is to just Okay. I'm done.

Okay. All my lights are off. So, I have the the newly acquired park out on roads, John Roads. Um by the the new No, John Roads. The the proposed retention. Yep. So, next workshop will be discussing naming of more facilities and parks. Okay. But um signage they they will incorporate this sign into that development. What what it will be called will be up to the city council. Okay. And so we don't have to put any kind of a sign. We're not worried that it matches what we

Yep. We will give them our design. They there's only a handful of signed contractors in Bvard County that that put in signs. So we'll give them the design and they'll implement this sign. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. What are you looking for next, Miss Aaron? Are we good with Clement? Miss Murphy, I'm sorry. Clemens Woods. Okay. We certainly have a lot of parks, don't we?

And the last one is Tallwood. Oh. Oh, your mouse is your mouse is jumping, Aaron. Oh, I was in Tallwood. Oh, yeah. It's moving quick.

So, Tallwood was the one that I had um chosen for the large sign, which of course we can go to the medium sign. Um, and then the wayfinding in the back where because it kind of has two entrances to Tallwood. We are currently doing a master plan of Tallwood right now. Miss Magguire,

I guess from the council perspective, I'm just confused as to do we prefer the large or do we prefer the medium signs because in our workshop, I remember it being the more we can have the parks little square showing where to go, the better. And now it seems as though we've changed that. So I guess I'm just kind of hoping for perspective for her in a sense as to what are are we wanting more of the largest or more of the mediums and that's open for anyone to answer.

Mr. Gaylord.

Well, to your question, Deputy Mayor, I think Okay, other members of the council can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that council's opinion is shifted a little bit into preferring the medium signs uh given that the wayfinding signs may be appearing a little bit redundant with the symbols on the large signs. Um, in stating that, however, um, I would be interested to know what council's opinion is since we are since we have come come to agreement about holding off on the signage on Flanigan uh, for San Hill Crane Park. And Erin, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't memorized all the slides. I believe Tallwood and Westbrook were the two non Sanhill Crane parks that had featured large signage.

Correct. Um, given that being the case and that there are concerns on the council over the cost of upgrading large signs to medium signs, I'd like to bring it forward to the council for consideration that we um change Tallwood and Westbrook to medium signs and then the two San Hill Crane signs that we have currently that we have agreed we wanted installed, have those be the more premier signs. That would solve some of the concern, the disparity concerns about us not having the premier signs at our premier parks while also serving the while also solving the concerns about overall cost. Uh because it would keep the cost for the sign project the same.

Thank you. I'm sorry. Okay. Um Miss Bolt.

Yes. Um, I think since it's already budgeted, I think we ought to leave it alone. Um, if we were really, really, really short on money, we should be concerned about it. We need to make our parks look like they're our parks. Um, this Tallwood Park, it's like it's never really been a park. You never I mean, you never even knew that it was a park. um except for some little tiny sign that was there, but never knew what was there. Um I just think that we just ought to leave it alone. But I I think the Sand Hill crane, we need to hold off on those because we don't even know what's going to be there, at least on the new side of it. Um those are just my thoughts on that.

Mr. Trampus Aaron I kind of think we lost perspective of the size of the size. Can you can you again big sign versus medium sign the different sizes. Do you have that handy because it's in the pictures they all look the same. I have if Megan because there's they're significantly bigger, right? The the big sign as opposed to the medium sign.

Correct. Um I think there was a presentation that I did um in February right there celebrated entries and then

this wasn't the medium sign was about the size of a person right and the larger signs were bigger. I guess it all depends on the size as a person, but as I um I just I don't know. Um so there's the larger sign.

So, man, I'll tell you, I really like those big signs. I think they I think the bigger ones I really think it and I I agree that having 10 of them on San Hill Crane Park would be ridiculous. But uh and honestly I think I think the big sign even looks better than the digital sign that we have out front of the it just looks more like a park sign and less like an advertisement for things going on. I um it I'd like to get something about in the middle of those two and put them everywhere. I

And I think to move those signs that's that would be kind of defeat the purpose, right? You're the big ones would be hard. Well, even the little ones you probably pay almost as much as it would cost to put in a new sign anyhow to move them. I just Are you finished, Mr. Frampus? I just I'm just struggling with, you know, I just think that if we're going to if we're only going to put I agree with uh Miss Vultz that, you know, I've been to Tallwood Park and and it's it's kind of not much there.

Um it's the basketball court's used a lot and that's in a weird spot. Um to have a premier sign there just seems silly to me. Uh set off Hollywood Westbrook's not bad. Uh it's a big park. It's a nice park. It's it's uh out in the open. It's wide open. Tallwood's not um I don't know. I I still going back to the thought of having the mediumsiz sign everywhere, but I just looking at it here, it doesn't look big enough to have everywhere.

Um I I don't know what what everybody else's thoughts was. I'm I'm struggling with this whole I don't even know where we're at on most of it. So, well, let's get you some help here. Miss Magguire, what would you like to say?

I don't know about that, but um my perspective was that the large signs were supposed to be from from the roadside. It was supposed to show you this park has picnicking, this park has dog access, this park has basketball courts, this park has blah blah blah. whatever amenity it is that that park had, that's what I interpreted that those large signs were supposed to show. And I think that can be useful for those, especially for the smaller parks that we have where none of the residents really know what's there. Because before you even get to park and you walk inside and you go, "Okay, where do I go? Well, let me look for these wayfinders. How do you know that you even want to park there and go there? To me, that's what these large signs are for is to say, "Okay, there's picnicking there, there's basketball there, there's pickle ball there, and I want to go there because of X, Y, and Z." So, if I don't know that it's offered at that park, how do I know I want to go to that park? So, that's kind of where I've where I'm hung up between the the large and the medium signs as to I don't know. I I know I live in this neighborhood, but what does that park offer? Or I'm driving by and oh, that looks like a really cool park, but what's there? Um, to where I think the large park signs could benefit those parks, but that's I don't know. That's that's kind of where I'm stuck as to like, okay, well, we have those symbols, so are we going to use the symbols or are we just going to completely kill this large sign and all of these pretty

symbols that show us what's there and just go for this medium park sign,

Mr. Roie? So I think we confuse this process um by trying to interject the medium and the large uh in in an inconsistent way that that didn't come across quite as we initially intended. So, I would very kindly ask to table this item to the next meeting and allow us to put to put more consideration into the consistency that we're lacking. We we view parks. It was good to get this perspective. We viewed some of the parks that are challenging with what's there with the bigger signs based on on our perspective, but I think we'd like to take a take another shot at this and be able to show a little bit more consistency and a little bit more uh accurate depiction of these signs. And then I think this has all been really good feedback. We can we can take all this feedback and come back with a better plan and and let the let the council take a look at that.

All right. We hear anything on that? Oh, and just so I can muddy the water further, um I like the large signs with the symbols on the on the bottom where appropriate. Not exclusively large signs. That would be too much, but where appropriate other than the medium. So, there we go. I just helped confuse everything. All right. So, I still have lights lit up. Um, and we have the suggestion for Mr. Roadie to table this. Miss Adams, your light is next. I was going to provide further feedback, but I can do that with Mr. Roadie at a future meeting and save everybody some time. I will uh do we need a motion to table? We'll Yeah, we'll make a motion to table that until the Can I ask just mention something about

I'm still making a motion. Okay. I I would like uh just talk about there. There is and I need a second before we I will second the motion. Um but but I just have a question about Tallwood Park and it is I've lived in West Melbour for 24 years and I have never known that to be a park. I thought it was just nothing. It was just a big vacant piece of property back there. So, we need a big sign to tell people we really have a nice park back here, you know. So, those are just my comments on Tallwood Park. We had a

I the mayor, the reason I asked for the tableabling and I I know you're about to call a vote. I I just there's just a lot of, you know, part of our challenge as staff as we go back and we replay this and it's going to be really hard to try to put all these different thoughts into into a concept that Yeah. And so we'd like to we'd like to it's it's good to have a plan and get this feedback, but let's let's let us take this feedback and then come back with another plan and I think that plan will be a lot closer to what everybody's kind of talking about. I have one more light on before we call for the vote. Mr. Frampus.

No. Okay. All right. Well, once the motion the table is brought up, all conversation is supposed to stop, I believe. Right, Mr. Perney? Oh, well, sorry. We should have stopped this a long time ago. My sorry started going down that rail. You could have just chimed in and vote. Yes, we if if somebody makes a point of order, I'll chime in. Otherwise, it's your meeting to control. Okay, we have a motion on the floor from Miss Adams. We have a second from Miss Voltz uh with a motion motion to table this um until our next meeting. All those in favor, please say yay. Amen. Those in those against say nay. All right. Motion carries. 70.

Amen. Thank you, Erin. You did a great job. Okay. I like your plan. Yes. Have Mr. Picarella, you can retire now. We've been up here long enough. This is why the chief is leaving, you know.

Good evening again. Approved. No, this is dealing with Clemenswood Park off the master plan park's master plan and put a little parking lot into where the uh playscape is. So, um, we went out and got three bids. The lowest bid is $31,000, $440 to install five park five parking spot. Five parking spots with two handicap spots. So, it's twice as big as hammock lights. Miss Bolts. Motion to approve. Mr. Frampus.

Second. All right. Motion on the floor for Miss Vote, second from Mr. Frampus. All those in favor of opposing, please signify by saying I. I. Those in favor say name. Motion carries. 70. Thank you, Mark. I would suggest uh lobbying to go first next time when Mr. Ro public works doesn't bring enough treats by city hall. Okay. All right. City council reports. Mr. Gaylord.

Just a brief council report. um attended the Space Coast League of Cities uh board of directors meeting and subsequent dinner. Um very good meeting um very productive. I wanted to say as well that the acoustics in the Malibar meeting hall were very good and um Diana was having a wonderful time telling all the board of director meetings or all the board of directors uh everything that they needed to know. So it's very good meeting. Okay, Miss Magcguire. Thank you, mayor. No report tonight. Mr. Francis,

I I do have one thing. I discussed this with Mr. Roadie uh multiple years ago prior to Mr. Rodie coming here. It came up about advertising on the fences with banners uh at the schools and uh council had determined that it was a a code violation and it was dealt with. I don't know, Mr. Rodie, maybe you want to expound on that. I did bring it up to him and I would like us to address that.

Yeah. You know, just going back, there was an issue with a a private school, church school at the time. Um, and off we don't allow the city of West Melmer doesn't allow what is called offsite advertising, um, which is a signage for a business that isn't located there. um which is a a very common practice in almost every local government that that I'm aware of. And so uh the the trend of fundraising at schools and preschools and and uh private schools of hanging banners of businesses on the signs became popular years ago and a lot of communities had to deal with that issue. And so uh it has reared its its head again. um outside of the school of science here. They've they've got some signs up for some local businesses uh probably as a fundraiser, but uh we certainly uh will take uh you know a very tact tactful route of requesting that they remove it, but then ultimately if we have to take action with code board, we'll uh follow the city's code.

Thank you, Miss Folz. Um, okay. I also attended the Palm Bay Chamber lunchon and that was um Diana's first meeting as president there. So, I think you missed the first meeting in League of Cities. Oh, that's right. League of Cities. Anyway, I was at the Palm Bay Chamber. That was next on my agenda. Um, League of Cities. Um, I attended that and you did a very, very good meeting there. And I was at the U cops on a coupe and we raised a bunch of money.

Yeah. All righty. Well, that's very good. Um and I'm on the board of commission on Aging for the League of Cities and um they have nominated me to receive a resolution for active senior and I will be receiving that resolution on May 4th or 5th, whatever the date is for the from the county commission. So congratulations. That's nice. Thank you. Is that it? Yes. Miss Adams.

Thank you, mayor. A couple things to highlight. Uh the Palm Bay Chamber focused uh their latest meeting on transportation and infrastructure. So, Ellis Road was a common uh discussion item that was brought up, but they also had uh quite a bit of input from the airport. They've talked about uh potentially exploring other modes of transportation in Bvard County. Uh which also tied into the new transportation center that's going in, you know, further north of us, but just letting everybody know they are continuing to explore some changes to what transportation looks like in Bvard. I don't know how realistic it may be because all of their panelists said the biggest challenge we have when it comes to transportation and infrastructure is funding. And so we all know that state and federal funding continues to decrease for projects and it takes us longer to get the funding. Therefore, they've talked about most of their projects have doubled if not tripled and more uh by the time the projects are actually moving forward. So I thought that was particularly interesting with that meeting. Uh cops on the coupe chief uh you guys in the police department did a great job. Um, I think, you know, as we continue to have this event and raise money for the Special Olympics, you know, anything that council can do to help our community know that it's happening, uh, would help, I think, with our, you know, our police department outreach because they do a great job. Speaking of outreach, uh, Nana's House and One More Child held a community outreach event. If you haven't been to uh that location, it's uh just south of here off of their road is called God's Way. Um and they One More Child is another foster licensing agency in not only Bvard, but they license across Florida, but they were partnering with Nana's House uh specifically to try to advocate and reach families to kind of let them know what they offer. Um and since it's in West Melbourne, I just

thought I would bring it to your attention. Their model is a little bit different than general foster care with other agencies in Bvard because they actually have housing units. If you go there, you'll see them. They currently have two that you can walk through and those are set up so that uh families who want to foster. Let's say you want more space to be able to take more children in because the hard, you know, sometimes hard children to place can be in sibling sets of three, four, five children and they try to keep them together. And so if people have a desire to take in multiple foster children, they want to make sure that they have the space. And so they provide housing for those families free of charge. Uh but they work with them to make sure that they have everything else that they're required to have, you know, per the state, but it's a very interesting model that I don't see uh currently elsewhere in Bvard County. So I wanted to share that with you. The League of Cities meeting that was mentioned uh was our scholarship presentations. So, we had quite a few students from across Bvard uh get scholarships focused on getting degrees or certifications related to public service. So, that was exciting. Uh the springfest was held this past weekend at the West Melbourne Library. Um it was a well- attended event. They had it in the morning. Um my son had a great time running around trying to just touch and eat everything. Uh, but I do want to bring that one up because I heard from the librarians I was speaking with that they are revitalizing and they've gotten interest in their friends of the library program that I brought up a couple months ago. Uh, that we're currently not taking donations because that program had lost uh the people interested in volunteering. So, that is going to be starting back up, which means adult programming will also be increasing at the West Melbourne Library. And then the final note I had was April 11th is going to be trash bash for the city. Uh if you have not participated before, we get to uh go to certain areas. Don't worry. Uh I thought

it would be great if we did like along John roads where there's quite a bit of trash up against the fences. Apparently that makes Mr. Roadie very nervous due to traffic concerns. I may have made him nervous walking closer to Hollywood a couple years ago, but I can tell you I picked up more trash along that road than I did in our city parks. Uh, but usually we bring residents who want to volunteer to trash bash will go to one of the community parks and we'll pick up trash. Uh, two years ago we actually found a complete toilet in the uh the woods of right behind the community park and that was uh quite an adventure getting that out. But But that was Oh, sorry. But that was I made my notes before we did the name change. Uh but the reason that I had it had come to mind was because uh Miss Vaultz had asked about the signage that was at Westbrook and uh Westbrook the I think the first or second time we did trash bash was one of the parks that we went to and we found the sign and we got trash cleared off of it and we I think all the volunteers were kind of excited that look there's the sign and this is what it looks like and so it came to mind when you were speaking earlier.

Go past there tonight. You're gonna see it? I'm I just And what time is that trash bash? Yes. Do you know? It's usually first thing in the morning. I didn't write it down on my notes, but I can get that to you. Okay. Yeah, if you could do that. Thank you, Mayor. All right. Thank you, Mr. Bentley. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I just want to say thank you to Mayor Young. She led the TPO for and still on it for many, many years. And I had the bad fortune of driving on Ellis Road today. That road is beyond a nightmare at lunchtime and in the evenings and in the morning. Is that the part you're thanking me for?

No, I'm thanking you for going off and leading that effort to get the money and to put that as a priority and to keep that as a priority because that's got to be the worst street to drive and and Bard County and and maybe even beyond. And and I think getting that fourlane is going to be good for all the businesses along there, good for the airport. And I don't I don't know. I I think you were a big reason that came about and your constant support and leading of that TPO.

Oh wow. Thank you. Thank you very much. I I will take that. Thank you. Okay. It's my turn next. So um I went Oh, so Thursday is the TPO. Speaking of that is break for break for a break. So it's going to be Thursday morning out on out here on 192. Um or I guess was you'll see us. will be all be standing out there by the beacons so we can talk to people about what the flashing lights mean. So if you would like to be there, it's at 8:30 in the morning. Uh my event is I went to the um Panda Express that's open up there in 192. It was a great event. A lot of people there. The food was wonderful and uh so I'm looking forward to that and a whole lot more things opening up there soon. Um Edgar was there from the um Space Coast um development people and he did mention some of the other things that have been talking about coming in there. So it's going to be a really good place out there. So I'm looking forward to all of that. Uh anyone we're going to move to management reports unless anyone else has a comment they want to add. Management reports. Mr. Roadie.

Um just a couple comments real quick. Um I did send out the email. I was notified by Keith Gee uh that the WNBA has kind of gone into a hiatus again. They really hit the stride. I thought about a year ago, six months ago, they had really good attendance. Uh I know a lot of the council members attended um as long as well as the mayor um attended some of their meetings and thought they were really starting to grow and then a couple of of people uh had some conflicts and and stood down from the board and they just the last two meetings couldn't couldn't really get good attendance and so um I really appreciate the work that Keith Gee uh put into that. he really kind of picked it up and carried it forward and and gave it a a a great effort. I don't think it's a reflection of him at all. Um but we'll we'll stay tuned to see what happens to the uh WNBA uh as they pivot as they have in the past. Hopefully they'll come out uh stronger. Um, I'm requesting that the police chief come up and give a brief briefing on the uh excitement that we had today at America's Best Value In.

Thanks, Mr. Manager. Yeah, so this morning about 9:30 uh we were called to America's Best Value In. A report came in of a uh uh possible shots fired and possible glass breaking uh third party report. got there, we located the room and quickly learned that uh we believe a shot had been fired. Uh the window was broken out. Didn't really know who was in there at that time. Uh but uh and uh through the broken window uh we were able to tell that uh there had been some barricading going on and they were in there. So patrol had established uh close contact with someone inside of there. Uh so we obviously don't give up that contact once we're able to establish that. They had a shield out there. Um and the people were uncooperative. We weren't exactly sure what we had. We didn't have any visible signs that uh someone had been struck, but uh certainly uncooperative people inside not willing to come out and uh talk to us. So we we quickly realized this was going to turn into a much longer term probably situation. Uh we established a command post nearby and uh activated our SWAT team. Um uh so patrol uh you know they had established the inner perimeter and were attempting contact to to talk the people out. uh SWAT took eventually took over the inner perimeter. Uh we continued to try to have a dialogue with the people inside. Only one person was really communicating with us. Uh Bvard Sheriff's Office assisted us also with some crisis negotiation team. Uh so I think about three hours into it. Uh uh we had a good rapport. Uh we we thought that one person was coming out. Um and then the situation kind of escalated quickly uh and uh led SWAT to take immediate action with less le lethal force. U the the mother was escalating against the daughter. Uh and using that less lethal force against the mother to prevent the crime she was doing at that time uh allowed SWAT to make a safe entry, take her into custody and get everyone out of there. So, uh you'll see in the press

release she was charged with a number of felonies uh and is up at Bvard County Jail. Um and then of course we're uh the uh the juvenile daughter making sure that uh she's getting appropriate care too. So very successful outcome. Uh a little bit dicey at times. The team did a great job. Uh you know SWAT did what they're trained to do also. Um and just all the divisions between SWAT uh the co crisis and negotiations and the investigations division working together to uh for successful resolution and we did get the uh the gun out of the room that had been fired. So um everyone's safe and uh glad it was a good resolution. Wow. Mr. Frampus, did you have a comment? I did. Not on this. Not on this.

Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. Anyone else have a comment for Mr. Vest Wellies here? Mr. You're that's your Go ahead. You have the floor. I I just wanted to say, Chief, I think this is your last meeting. You're going to be with us. Uh and Am I stealing your thunder? You're stealing my lines. Okay. I only have three of them.

Sorry. Too bad. Um I really think you turn things around. Uh, I we have the best police force here in West Melbourne and I'm really sorry that you're leaving and you're getting out of here before me and and um I I think you did a great job and thanks so much for being here and the effort you put in for everything. So,

well, thank you. I I appreciate that. It has been a absolute honor to serve uh here for the last three and a half years, Mr. for having the confidence in me and council affirming that decision. Um we really do have a great team and uh it's not just the PD, it's all of us working together with you and the community. Um I'm very blessed for what uh that I was able to serve. I'm going to miss the PD of course. Uh miss the community, city council. You know, one of the reasons I came here is because council supports the police department and we have to earn that support, too. And I I don't just come up here and it's not cart blanch, you know, because people I know we take a big portion of the of the city's budget. Uh but there's a lot of to run an operation 247.

That's going to change now you're leaving.

Yeah. But you you also asked the tough questions and we're happy to answer for those. And uh like I said, I'm proud of our service here. I I I really do love West Melbourne and uh you know, the toughest time to leave is when when things are going really well. Um, but maybe it's better to go when things are really well than uh it's when it's not easy to leave, maybe it stayed too long, you know. So, but no, I I uh as mentioned by uh as I shared with the PD and I think with some of you too, um family truly is the reason for uh for for my change. Uh 30 years of sworn service is a long time. I wore this uniform uh what I figured about 8,000 days. And I can tell you all those days I can't remember a day that I didn't love coming to work. So that's going to be the toughest adjustment, but glad I did it. Proud to serve with all of you. Great community. Uh on to the next chapter, but it truly is for family and uh uh that that's the reason we've made that decision. So thank you for all your support. I'm going to miss Alia and uh it's this truly is a special place. So I appreciate it.

Thank you, Chief. and we can say goodbye to Chief Wednesday, March 25th from 3:30 to 5 o'clock over at the PD. We'll have uh some cake and coffee, say our goodbyes. Uh we have a couple of words. We'll we'll try to find some nice words to say uh for for Chief Vesta. Of course, I say that jokingly. Um he has he has met and exceeded all expectations. He has made the city a better place by making the police department stronger. That makes our community stronger. Um I I like to make the joke I I take a team approach on a lot of things and there were probably some afternoons that chief was in the room and we were talking about some situations at the city and he probably was thinking I don't know why I'm sitting in this room. But you know that you were sitting in that room because your opinion mattered. your your input was always spoton uh and very appreciative for for some of the tough decisions and some of the tough situations the city had to get through. So uh we appreciate that and I invite everyone to join us over at the PD on the 25th from 3:30 to 5 to say our goodbyes to Chief Es.

Thank you. Appreciate that. I'll be there. Thank you, Mr. Kerry.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh just a quick update on uh this legislative session. Um it is over. However, they did not pass a budget. So there will be another session. Um th this session didn't include the property tax uh constitutional amendment. I don't know yet if the special session will address that because it'll depend on how the the call to session is worded. Um whether it's limited to just the budget or other items as well. Uh so we'll find out and uh when that call comes out. Um there are a few bills that passed. Uh a couple of them aren't even available yet as far as the final uh version as it passed out of the full chamber because the at the end of session the bill drafting people are crazy busy as you can imagine. Um so those will kind of trickle out. So I'm not sure you know what all the final language on all these are, but uh there was a live local bill that passed that once again you know expands the reach of live local. Um and once again for the third year in a row it passed nearly unanimously in both chambers. So once again you know whatever um controversy they have up there whether it be you know partisan or whatever else whatever they one thing they do agree on is live local is a good thing and they want to keep expanding it. So um there's also a utility bill that passed um you know and it mostly deals with utilities outside of the city. So, I've already um emailed the city manager about that, about uh making sure we implement that. It does cap the rates, but I think we're already under that cap. So, that's not going to be a concern to us, but we are going to have to do a an annual report now. Um so, another unfunded mandate has come down. Um and there was an ebikes bill that passed. Um so, we're going to uh look out for the governor's signatures on all those bills and see if they're signed or vetoed. Um and once he acts on the ebikes bill, we'll be bringing an ordinance um to you. We have already sat

down with the chief and city manager and I to uh discuss what that ordinance will look like and it's uh starting to take shape, but you know, until the governor signs or vetos the bill, um we can't bring it to you. And um yeah, I think that's I think that those are the main notable things. So um again, the the league's full report hasn't come out yet. when it does, we'll have a a bigger uh report as we do every year. Thank you, Mr. Francis.

So, for the ebike legislation, um I'm guessing you kind of know what it says, right? Ours are we still going to create an ordinance and ours can be more restrictive, but or less how we can be more restrictive, not less restrictive than the bill. Correct. Is that or or some?

Yeah. So, that's one of the things we're going to I'm going to have to look at and analyze because in general, um, the state statutes do allow us to, um, to have more strict ordinances for ebikes, at least as it pertains to our, uh, our streets and our roads, or excuse me, our sidewalks, I should say. Uh, the streets and the roads are preempted to the state. So, as long as we're talking about the sidewalks, then yes, we can have more restrictive. Thank you. Even even though They would be our streets like our local streets.

Wow. It's Yeah. So, the the uniform traffic code regulates streets across the state whether they're owned by the state, the city, the county, or whoever. Um and and so and and this is part of the broad overall scheme that they have for traffic control because the the legislature wants to make sure that there aren't a thousand different standards for driving in the state. You should be able to drive from one city to another and know what the rules of the road are. So that's the theory behind the um the preeemption. And and for roads, I think that's one of the preeemptions that probably makes the most sense that we have honestly because I think it would be a nightmare if every city and county could develop their own road standards and you could be perfectly legal in one town and then break the law going to the next town without even knowing it because you you can't keep up with that. So, um so yeah, streets and uh and uh you know the driveways essentially are preempted to the state for that reason. Can we get money from them to pay for our roads?

Why are you looking at me? Okay, any more comments? We are adjourned. Thank you.