City Council - Regular Meeting

This council meeting will now come to order January the 20th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. Would you please stand for the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for the invocation? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Righteous God, we call onto you right now and we know that you will answer. Please show us great mighty things that we do not know so that this meeting can fulfill its role of the for the kingdom. Let our efforts be kingdom motivated and spiritled so that that we can be blessed by this meeting. We seek you for guidance and instructions. We seek you also for wisdom so that we can make the right decisions today. Amen. Heidi, can I get roll call, please? Sure. Everything okay? Payton.

Okay, I'll just talk loud. Miss Antonich here. Miss Grace here. Mr. Haye here. Miss Lucas here. Mr. West Morland here. Mayor Sora, I'm also here. All right. Um, guess we'll start out with audience participation. Uh, Cali College Sumar campus update. Zack Cooper, director of Sumar Campus.

Thank you guys for allowing me to be here again. Hopefully you had a great little Christmas break. Uh, it's been a while since I've been here. So, uh, spring semester started actually last week for in-person classes and today was actually the first day for online classes. So hopefully as kids get adjusted to their new schedules and are finding their classes and enrolling and maybe changing a class here or there, uh hopefully next time I come back, we'll have some numbers because I know you want specifics. I will tell you when I looked this morning, uh our summer campus enrollment from last spring semester to this spring semester has increased once again. Uh so hopefully that stays the same when I come back and give you the true numbers. And I'm I just excited to see that the FTE is trending on a path that we're constantly increasing. Um a one big spring semester change just to throw it out there is our Tiger Eyer. We are going to start throwing some specials out there. So the for the spring semester we're doing 25% off for students and staff with a student ID on your lunch. And Thursdays will be first responders get 25% off. So hopefully we get some that the city uh first responders come out there enjoy a nice warm hamburger or chicken tenders or whatever they'd like on the menu. And then for everyone on Friday there special will be two large one topping pizzas for $15.51 plus tax. So uh we're hoping to get some more public interest in there. Um the ery is open from 8:30 to 3 every day that the college is open. So we have holiday off. The ery is also going to be closed as well. Uh this week uh as far as big events we have Golden Tigers enrollment. So, for those of you who uh may not remember Golden Tigers, for those individuals that are 50 years of experience or older, you can take additional classes to either learn new things, make memories with friends, um, and just just have a little bit of fun learning something new. Uh, for Sumar County alone, we have 12 classes that are being offered in the spring. So, if you want to take a look at the newsletter, uh, just Google Golden Tigers Cali College. uh you'll find a link there and there's a newsletter and it'll list all the classes that are

being offered for Cali County or in Cali County and then ones that are offered in Sim County. You can sign up for either one. And then the last thing just kind of two big events happening later on in the year uh in the end of March. We are going to work with the South Central FFA district. So about 50some uh high schools and hosting the district a mechanics contest. So kids will come in do welding, electrical, small gas engines. Um they will do a little bit of carpentry and construction. Uh just preparing for their state competition as well. So we'll see hopefully about 150 students competing in that. And the last one, which is actually what I'm really excited for, is our robotics competition April 22nd and 23rd. When we get closer, I'll be looking for volunteers to help with the judging. Uh, but I really like that one just because those middle schoolers, they're excited about uh competing with the other friends from other schools, but they don't realize that they're truly learning skills that are probably going to be more common uh when they get older and are ready for those careers. So, what questions thoughts, concerns do you guys have today?

You've got some golden tiger cataloges on the front desk, too. Yep. There's some golden tigers cataloges. Yep. And then, uh, I'll be at chamber that Thursday morning. I'll also give out more there as well uh before the enrollment which I don't know if I said the enrollment time uh 11:00 to 1:00 p.m. on Thursday at the center campus and I believe you have a class this semester. I do. So uh lots of great starts the second half. Yeah. Yep. Um second half I believe one in February is a sourdough class where you will get your own sourdough starter. Make sourdough crepes which is a sugar-free option. and she's planning on teaching you guys how to make bread. And she's also going to let you sample cinnamon rolls that she'll pull fresh out of the oven when class starts. It's not me. Don't look at me. No, not her. Yeah, it's not the one I'm teaching.

Oh, okay. I can do it, but I It's not me teaching that. So, I just know about the food one because you know it's I'm looking at that one. [laughter] Any other questions? I see you're getting some stuff done at the barn over there.

Yep. So, uh, with the monsoon that we had last summer, uh, we realized that a lot of that water was shedding right towards the barn and just settling there. Uh, so we had some dirt work to shed it away. Uh, we raised the floor, uh, with some crushed concrete to keep the inside of it dry. And then we also were preparing for the be the pollinator program that we've been talking about for a year that's been kind of delayed because of the rain last year. Uh so you'll see next week they'll be putting a fence up and then the farmer who is working with us to make that project happen. Uh for just to kind of go back to the beginning uh we need to plant soybeans in there this summer and then in the fall or winter about the summer time we'll plant a pollinator seed blend with the bee and butterfly fund. So everything is still moving forward with that to utilize the 14 acres um and working with FFA chapters 4, Kate, Great Plains, Master Beekeeper, and a couple other organizations. Uh Valor Honey for one, uh are all interested in collaborating with us. So we're still moving with that project, but yes, the biggest thing we had to get done is get some dirt work so we can keep our feet dryish.

Congratulations to you and Shanlin. Thank you very much. I really do appreciate it. So yeah, um for those who may not know, uh Jaylen's pregnant. So right after wheat festival, we're hopefully going to celebrate with not only celebrating wheat festivals being over, but celebrate with a new child. So um congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you. So all right, you all have a great rest of your evening. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Uh I need the consent of agenda, approval of minutes, approval of appropriations, receipt of council correspondence. Move to approve. Second. I'll have a motion in the second. All those in favor. All those opposed.

All right. Uh reports of mayor and counsel. I'll start with Councilwoman Antinich. Well, tonight I'd like to thank nurses, uh, hardworking, on your feet all the time, CNAs, CMAs, LPNs, RNs, nurse practitioners. They're amazing. Something I was a candy striper for a day and a half and that was and then I left and walked home. [snorts]

I'm in awe of them. I've spent 17 years in doing hair in elder care facilities and I have watched some amazing people, men and women, nurses both. They uh they know how to plow the road, but I I would like to give them a uh pat on the back. They're extraordinary people and u that that's all I have. I'm proud of them. The ones I Councilwoman Grace,

I don't have anything tonight. That's a record. Two in a row. [laughter] Councilman, [snorts]

um a few things. I'm glad to see the old Homestead Restaurant come down on North A. That's needs more on North A, but that was good to see it come down. I had a lady email me and complain about um junk um 514 and 520 South F. She said she turned that in 3 years ago and nothing's been done. She's been in contact with the city, but nothing's been done. So, if you could look into that. So, I'll look into that, but I'm going to ask if we could actually do those to staff directly because my concern, and I've articulated it a number of times, is that because these abatements potentially come to you as the council, it could look that you guys are prejudging these conditions and [snorts] that could end us up in a lawsuit. So, I understand that you've been contacted, but if you would run it through myself or through the staff, I that would actually probably be the more appropriate venue for getting information, I understand the want to bring it up in a public meeting, but there are definitely some litigation concerns about doing it this way.

Okay. Well, still talking about code enforcement. Got another email. From what I understand, the ordinance you passed a year ago on um code enforcement needs to be amended so we can go in and clean up a property. Is that true? So, the league issued a practice statement noting that parts of the IPMC do not comport with state law when it comes to self-help nuisance abatement. and the city attorney and I are looking at it based on the information from the league, but we don't necessarily have a full way forward yet, but we're working on it. Correct. Okay. Glad to see you're working on it. That's it. Great.

I don't have anything tonight. Thank you, West. [clears throat] Um, I just like to remind people looks like we're going to get our first snow this weekend. So, take your time if you have to get out where you're going. Usually the first snow is uh terrible for first responders. So just pay attention what you're doing if you got to get out and be safe. It's going to be

Mr. Mayor. I forgot one thing. I' I'd like to um tell all of our employees, please be careful in the snow and and this cold weather. Your dedication is amazing. It's it gets rough out there. That I forgot to say that. Thank you. Okay. And I saw I don't have anything else. So, let's just move on. Um reports of city officials. Uh Jeff update.

So, there was a memo in your packet uh updating we've received two applications. One from Joseph Grant Hobbs, one from Jerry R. Elmore uh to uh fill the council vacancy per the resolution that has been adopted previously. The process works that you would review those applications tonight. You can take no binding action. Uh we did invite the applicants to uh attend. Uh Mr. Elmore did reach out and say that there was a potential work conflict. Bo, but you made it. Okay. here.

Um uh but typically you have given the applicants if they show up a moment to speak. So um if you want to hold with that as your normal process, that is available to you. If you want to wait for the next meeting, that is also available to you. So

Mr. Elmore, you want to come up and say something. Yeah. Uh, council members, members, um, mayor and city employees, I just want to say thanks for having me out, uh, to be able to talk a little bit. Um, I didn't, I'm not from Wellington. Moved here about a year and a half ago, but I did grow up in Sun County, grew up out in Argonia. Um, grandparents have been in Sar or my family's been in Sun County since 1870s. And so, we always wanted to get back and uh, raise our kids here and we finally had the opportunity in late 2024. So, that's when we came back out. Um, all politics is local and uh so once we moved out here, I started looking at ways I could get involved and so I uh joined the library board earlier this year. Uh coached the baseball team uh or sorry join the library board earlier last year. Coached baseball team over the summer and I'm just looking at more ways to get involved. Um, I like council member uh Hayes's ideas on uh economic development and uh making this a place where you know our kids and our grandkids uh will want to come back to after they uh go through school or training or whatever they do. So just want to contribute and kind of uh further those types of items and uh learn more about how the city government works. That's all I got. You guys have any questions for me?

Questions from I have one. I mean, if if you get selected, what would be the first thing you think the city of Wellington should address? Uh, the first thing that I think the city of Wellington is going to or should address in your your opinion?

Um, well, so I think the first thing that we should address um I I agree with you on a lot of the um code enforcement actions. I I do also understand the need for um you know, some discretion and you know, proper procedures for um addressing those. But I think code enforcement is one. um economic development for sure. I remember you know we're uh we're not unique um in being a rural town that has lost a lot of business, lost a lot of people. I mean that's that's widespread across the country across the globe. Um but I do think there are other uh towns and smaller cities u in Kansas, Oklahoma uh you know adjacent states that have uh done some positive things to uh work to address some of those and bring business back or if they can't bring outside business back work to develop local business leaders uh from the local population. I think Cowwell's doing a good job at that. Maybe couple other I've driven through. Um so those are the two things that I think um I would like to uh see focus on. code enforcement and economic development. Um, other than that, I think I've, you know, spent some time reviewing uh budgetary items and things like that and I think our ordinances are are pretty solid and and I think u, you know, the budget is pretty uh pretty straightforward. So, those will probably be it.

Thank you. Yep. Anything else? Appreciate you. Mr. Joseph Hobbs here. [snorts] [clears throat] I don't have any comments, but if you have any questions for me, go. Same question that I asked. Could you repeat the question, please? In your opinion, what do you think the city of Wellington should address first? Well, not to sound like a broken record, but I do believe we need to do something about our streets. A lot of them are in poor shape, and if we could, I think we should do something about that.

That it Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. And thank want to thank both of you for Mhm. doing what you're doing right now. We do appreciate it.

All right. Um Jeff, number two, fireworks. So, we received uh the contract for this year, but the uh Rainbow did basically recommend that we consider a 25% increase over what we've done the last at least since 2018 of the $6,000. They said that based on tariffs and other things that they're seeing in the marketplace that uh the same $6,000 would result in a much smaller show than previous years. Uh and as much as we discussed the various uh funding for all of the community related uh activities and providers, uh I thought it was appropriate for me to bring this to the council rather than me just unilaterally upping the amount. We're talking what? Another extra $1,500.

Yep. When When do they need to know? [snorts] Uh typically we put our deposit down uh right around the first part of February. [snorts] Questions from I think it's good. Yeah. I unfortunately it's the cost everybody's going up higher than we anticipate. And I think it's something that the city needs to keep going forward. So I appreciate you asking us. I would say move forward with it. I would agree. [clears throat] Okay.

Okay. We'll figure it out. Uh next we have the public hearing. Uh there's no public hearing. Uh ordinance. No ordinance. Resolutions. Jeff. Resolution number one.

Okay. So there are a series of ordinances uh for you tonight. Uh the first four are somewhat interrelated. So uh I know that there has been some discussion about the use of incentives and trying to induce development in our community uh through the use of incentives. Uh and these four ordinances before you are [snorts] work of staff over the past year and a half or so of trying to discuss with various developers opportunities and partnerships with which we could use our incentive powers to induce development in our community. The first one is from Cohen Ezri for uh supporting their application to the Kansas Housing Resource Corporation to make an application for tax credits to their program to rehab and build additional up to 18 doors for the Eastwood Apartments, which are the ones off of Michigan Street. The and so the first thing there is a resolution supporting the development and that we will consider working with them to support the project and its development

council. So is is that the the junior high? No, no, no. It's the apartments up on Michigan Avenue. Oh, out of Michigan. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, move to second. Oh, go ahead, Tim. Motion a second. That was Tim. Okay. Since you guys were haggling over it, I'll roll call those. Miss Grace? Yes. Mr. Haye? Yes. Miss Lucas? Yes. Mr. [clears throat] West Morland? Yes. Miss Antonich?

Yes. So that's five yes votes for resolution number 6414.

Second resolution. [snorts]

So the second resolution is a resolution to use the city's intent to issue uh industrial revenue bonds for sales tax exemptions in support of the project previously discussed by co-z. So, um, [snorts] there were a lot of words in your memo that I sent you. Uh, a lot of them say that both our policy and statute is somewhat silent on the use of industrial revenue bonds as a vehicle to develop multif family housing. uh but it has become an increasingly common use uh that is outside the box as Councilman Haye asked to start thinking about when it comes to incentives to induce development and to bring families to our community. So, uh, I would say that I actually, so Chief Haye or sorry, former Chief Hay, uh, when you brought up other communities, uh, did you see any communities that are using this incentive and and want to [snorts]

talk about how how it's being used in other communities because I think that you, you know, noted that you've been doing the research to Yeah, I've looked at other communities, but I don't know if that this one's been used. So, but I I like [snorts] the idea.

Uh, it has the city of Augusta just used it on Country Club Cove Tower to reinvest in that one to make sure that they had an affordable senior living facility. So, it is something that we can do uh and is becoming increasingly common, although it is outside the realm of what we normally do. So, that is part of the reason why we're bringing this resolution stating our intent. Uh, but also to make sure that we have the runway to issue these. This is typically a fairly long process to issue these. The applications are not due until the spring for these projects, but pre-applications are due in the coming weeks. So, we wanted to try to get ahead of this so that we could help these partners try to qualify for the reinvestment tax credits through the CA the Kansas Hest Resource Corporation.

Jeff, if I'm if I'm not [clears throat] correct, didn't they use this for the city of Augusta or Elorado? Yep, Augusta's used it. Uh Goddard just announced back in August that they were awarded uh like a I can't remember the exact amount of state tax credits, but they also pledged their uh IRB authority against the process and it's about a $20 million uh investment in affordable housing in Gddard over there off of 183rd in the Walmart area. So, uh you know, it's kind of a gray area, but at the same time, it seems to be board of tax appeals seems to be approving them. So, uh, we're going to strike before anybody, uh, starts think differently about them.

Any other questions from council? Move to approve. Second. [snorts] Have a motion in a second. Heidi, can I get roll call? Miss Grace? Yes. Mr. Haye? Yes. Miss Lucas? Yes. Mr. West Morland? Yes. Miss Antonich? Yes. So once again, that's five yes votes for resolution number 6415. Okay, Jeff. Resolution number three.

So this is the one Councilwoman Anmich actually just asked about. Uh Riverstone Platform Partners, uh which is a development organization, uh out of the Kansas City area. They have approached city staff about considering an adaptive reuse of the old middle school building. uh and they want to apply for tax credits from KHIATC uh as well as looking at potential uh application to the state historic preservation trust uh and some other stuff that we will probably be bringing to you at a future meeting. Uh but overall same concept but an adaptive reuse of a disused building. Um, again, I don't know uh what your research has shown, but the what was it? City of Baxter Springs partnered with the same organization to rehab a disused school there, and it was a very successful project for age 55 plus. So again, we're we're trying to work a number of angles to reuse ice buildings.

Any questions? Move to approve. Second. Have a motion and a second. Heidi, can I get a roll call? Mr. Haye, yes. Miss Lucas, yes. Mr. West Morland, yes. Miss Antonich, yes. Miss Grace, yes. So, that's five yes votes for resolution number 6416.

All right. Uh, Jeff, resolution number [snorts] four. Uh same concept as before but with the middle school building. It is to basically articulate our intent to uh afford these developers uh industrial revenue bonds to get the tax exemption uh the sales tax exemption alone. Uh I'm not sure um who knows or doesn't but uh IRBs come in two flavors. They either have a property tax exemption or a sales tax exemption. Uh and both of these developers are only asking for the sales tax exemption and the sales tax exemption would apply to the materials and labor uh to do the conversions, upgrades, etc. uh to the properties and would not involve the uh property tax exemption. Um, I'm sure that all of you have thoughts and ideas and have seen how other communities are using these tools and some of you have probably sat through a number of discussions of industrial revenue bonds uh and the desiraability and what the uh basis and and advantages and disadvantages are of property tax versus sales tax exemptions. Um I I won't, you know, get into too much detail, but there are definitely some caveats on both sides, but uh and there would be some discussion potentially on why the city staff has tried to steer towards only the uh sales tax exemption, but if you want to have that conversation, I'm happy to have it. But right now, these are only for sales tax exemptions. I just wanted to I didn't say that on the first one.

[snorts] questions from C. Are are go ahead. You've we're trust I mean do you trust these people? I mean as far as coming in wanting to do this and then I mean are they trustworthy? Have they done other things like this? I hate it when they come in and get everything st then all of a sudden they're they can't do it or whatever. How do you feel about that, Mr. Porter? I mean, about their ability to do this.

I am going to say I would not have brought these before council if I didn't have some kind of belief that these were projects that were a worthwhile and b weren't attainable. Uh I would point out that Cohen Ezri uh has owned those units on Michigan Street for a fairly long time. Uh, one of the reasons that I believe they are applying to the state right now to try to rehab and build additional units is that [clears throat] they used some of those tax credits initially when they built those properties and basically they can now access them again to make the reinvestment and the state has been uh want to see reinvestment in some of these properties that they funded back in the 70s and 80s. So, uh, I think it's in their best interest if they want to continue being in the community and they've been in the community for quite a while, uh, with that property. So, I do think that it is a prop a a project that, uh, we could probably see across the finish line. Uh, the second one for the middle school, I think it's a big project. Again, like I said, I've checked, they were able to do a similar project in Baxter Springs to bring a disused school into uh adaptive reuse uh to have senior housing. Uh I've also talked to the city of Newton. They did a different project in Newton that involved multif family housing, but it wasn't an adaptive reuse. It was a green field development. They were able to complete that in a timely manner. They've also done several projects in Kansas City where they have rehabbed existing buildings. I know that there are probably some differences in working in a major metro than there are in a rural area, but they have experience doing both. I don't think that um I see any reason that gives me pause other than they're a developer. I always approach developers with some degree of circumspection, but these both of these developers seem to have a history of delivering on projects and they both have they both have uh a fair bit of experience in dealing with these

tax credits both from the uh state historic preservation office and from the Kansas Housing Resource Corporation. Uh actually Cohen Ezrey is technically a syndicator uh in one of their sidelines, which means they basically take these tax credits and find placement for them for other groups. So I would think that you know they would have some knowledge of of the process and and how to make sure that a project gets crossed finish line. Well, thank you. I don't know these companies or anything and I thought I I hope you don't think that was an ambush for asking that question. Thank you for that. Yep. Move to approve. [snorts] Second.

Have a motion to second. All righty. Can I get a roll call, please? Miss Antonich, yes. Miss Grace, yes. Mr. Haye, yes. Miss Lucas, yes. Mr. West Morland, yes. So, that's five affirmative votes for resolution number 6417. Okay, Jeff. Resolution number five.

Sure. So, uh, similar topic, different things. So, one of the things that our community has done is they have gone forward and gotten preliminary approval from the state department of commerce to establish some uh reinvestment housing and uh incentive districts within the community. Uh one of them is on the Crest Heights properties that the land bank holds. Normally I would do this where they would go to the land bank first and then come to you after they uh enter in an agreement to option the property with the land bank. But there are some requirements when it comes to public hearings and notices uh when it comes to using these RHID tools. And basically I'm going to just be very blunt about it is the future of the project would depend on these being approved. Uh so my thought on this one is we're going to do it backwards. We're going to do the RHID designation uh and hearings first and then if it gets approved, we'll move forward with trying to move these to the land bank process and then ultimately to council. But the thought being that uh don't know if you read my memo or not, but one of the interesting things about this type of uh incentive district is that it requires participation by the school district and the county and both of them have a veto in this process. So, um I don't really want to go through a lot of the efforts to do option agreements and to build out a developers agreement and all those things. uh if this gets voted down by either of those outside entities. So uh basically the resolution before you sets the hearing uh and uh puts it so that the [snorts] relevant tax entities can basically

voice their objections to that if they do object and then we can continue moving this down the path. Uh for those who aren't familiar with RHIDs, uh it allows the city to use tax increment which is usually used on commercial developments like a CD or a TDD or some of these other uh commercial type developments where you use the increase in valuation to retire debt for infrastructure. Uh and you know, one of the reasons that that second phase of Cresby Heights is never developed is there's no infrastructure there and it's going to cost millions of dollars to put it in. Uh and so this is a way that we can try to uh lower developer costs without having to use special assessments which I know some of the adjoining property owners who are in the second phase object to using traditional specials. Uh and this is a way that other communities have gone forward and been able to uh make the investment to induce development of affordable housing. uh and you know as an RHID there is an affordability requirement for the units to be built uh based on the numbers that they submitted to us and that was uh outlined in the feasibility analysis which is a part of the overall plan. Uh we believe it's attainable. Uh it's a bit aggressive. Uh and there are some ways that we could potentially um look at structuring the deal so that [snorts] it's still going to be kind of risky to the city, but we can try to ameliate some of that risk. Uh you know uh again I know that some of you have been doing uh you know looking at how other communities are financing things and how they are using incentives. I would point to Osawatamy and how they did their HID as a potential model for how we can move this forward. Uh but you know um I'd be open to other suggestions on on how to

use this incentive tool uh if you guys have them. [snorts] No, I just greatly appreciate all the research you've been doing on for all of these resolutions. Thank you for the details and the research. Yep. Move to approve. Second motion to second. Ready. Roll call. Miss Grace. Yes. Mr. Haye. Yes. Miss Lucas. Yes. Mr. West Morland? Yes. Miss Antonich? Yes.

So, it's five yes votes for resolution number 6418. I want to say this right now because Jeff, I appreciate the work you put into this. I've uh been to several of the meetings with with some of the developers for the middle school when they bring in six of their of their top guys. I mean, they they sit at that table. They there were six of them that came in that day and I was I was really impressed and they like Jeff said they they've turned around u they're into buying old old junior heights and they're serious and uh on the Heights one that gentleman I've met him twice and he was in again. He's he's serious like Jeff said if we can get this thing rolling he's ready to roll. Sam, we've had we've had contractors in the past, two years ago, year ago, that come in and for some reason they couldn't get the funding, but um these guys are serious. This is good for Wellington. So, I just you've done you've been working on this thing and uh it's it looks like it it's going to come through. So, I want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing because I've there's a lot of stuff that I don't understand and he just takes it and he goes and then when they have the meeting, they're like, "Yes, yes, I like that." So, again, thank you, Jeff. I appreciate it. All right. Uh, any study items, Jeff?

I'd just like to say that I have invited all three of these development firms to your work session in March. So, uh, because if the goal is to learn about incentives and what developers want to see, why not bring in the three developers that are actually wanting to actively develop in your community? Okay. We want to do that in a executive session or what? No, just a regular session.

Nope. Just it'll just be part of your work session. I I've invited all three of them to attend your work session. uh because all three of them have ideas and also um we'll maybe be a little further down the road on some discussions with them on some other specifics they may need in support of the tax credit project specifically. Uh the Crestview Heights one obviously will kind of we'll have a hearing basically if you looked at the calendar that that uh bond council and the FA included for your review. We'd be looking at probably having the hearing on that on the 2nd. uh and that kicks off a 30-day protest period. So, you know, we'd be well into the protest period by the time we have that meeting. So, we'd kind of have a better idea on the Cresview Heights aspects of the projects as well. So, uh I think that would also be a good time to potentially talk about the RHAD and how we might structure some of that uh as part of our overall discussions. uh like like was mentioned, I mean, we got to look at ways to to do these things and you know, all these developers seem receptive to the things that staff has been discussing with them and how we've could potentially structure deals. Uh but you know, don't always know enough as much as you guys. So, you know, this is your opportunity. All right. Uh

anything else? Move to adjourn. I'll second her move to adjurnn. Okay, we have a motion, a second to adjurnn. All those in favor. All those opposed. Meetings adjourned.