Affordable Housing Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Any particular words that I should say before?

If you don't, you can just go through the agenda. Okay.

Let me go through

the Start with the pledge of allegiance.

Thank you everybody for being here tonight. I know it a little bit wet outside, but we're still driving here. Yes. So that's better. The agenda tonight, we're gonna start first with the Pledge of Alliance, please.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual, with liberty and justice are all. Thank

you. Please sit there.

And we would like to receive

a motion for the approval of agenda.

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from the 10/29/2025 regular meeting. Second. Approved. We will take a All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed? Passes. The next item is approval of

the minutes of October 29, regular meeting. Motion.

That's what we just did.

That's what we just did, right? I thought.

Yes. We just did Yes.

Okay. I thought it was approval of agenda. Okay.

So approval of the minutes. Presentation of new three year ship LHAP and program audit.

Well, thank you. I I thought for this meeting, could go over our, first audit, which we just had by Florida Housing, as well as review our LHAP, which is, as as you all know, the Fagat, you need your microphones off. You have to turn them back on.

I'm sorry? Your microphone's off. Oh. Thank you.

No. Yes. So the LHAP is basically our framework for how we run our ship program. So the the the other attachment that you have is our audit. I thought we could just go through it.

So a lot so this was actually a lot of the files that they selected for this audit were from program year twenty two-twenty three, which was actually before I was here with the village as well as Gloria. So we had a previous Sorry, guys.

Could you get to the microphone, please?

Oh, sure. Sorry. So a lot of these were from before my tenure as well as Gloria's. But we did have actually a really good it does seem pretty lengthy, and there were a lot of observations. But Mr.

Fowler actually said we did very well for a jurisdiction our size and that a lot of the findings were very common. But a lot of these findings were income related so if you can kind of go through it and kind of you see how we go about income qualifying our grant recipients.

What observation WILLIAMS: number are you looking at?

Yes. So we can go through each one.

CHRISTINE No, we don't have to. I just was wondering what page you were on. Don't

have I'm to go through page just jumping around, but

obviously, we're all looking at this for the first time as But think more importantly, Andrew, were there areas of improvement? I'm glad to hear that there was a lot of positive feedback. Were there any areas that we need to be concerned about or we should be looking

No concerns. At different We've since had a lot of training on the income calculation. And again, a lot of these were from 'twenty two and 'twenty three, so before our time with Christian, who is no longer here with the village, was brand new to the program himself. I mean, our SHIP program started in 2022. And so so but I would say no no real concerns here. But I I thought it would be good for you guys to have on file as information.

No, but going through the audit will help you with the next

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. It was a lengthy process. It it was it took them about six months to kinda go through our our our files. And we were Gloria and myself, we were totally totally new to the the monitoring process. So it was definitely a a learning experience.

So yes, so I think we can go through the LHAF now.

JOSE Can I have a quick question? I look just learning. Strategy, owner occupied rehab. That means that the owner of the house was rebuilding or improving FERNANDEZ:] the house?

Yes. So on all of these, it's going to be owner occupied rehab because that is

That's the term. Okay.

Yes. That's what our SHIP program is, is the owner occupied rehab. So I mean, on, I don't know if you remember, we did have the rental assistance, but we got rid of that because we didn't receive any applications. So the owner occupied rehab is our sole strategy as long as as well as a disaster relief strategy, but that is tied into the owner occupied rehab.

And then just another question I was thinking. Those are rehab how do you call it, A or B and B. Are we allowed to cover any of that? Or that's still by Tallahassee?

MR. No, because in our program policies, you're disqualified if you have more than one properties. So people that have and specifically, if you have rental properties, you're disqualified. So we're really trying to target Wellington residents who are low income. So people who don't have additional properties as investment properties and people who are it's their sole property, it's their homesteaded property.

So yes, so I thought we could go through the LHAF now. So that will be in your agenda packet. And this is so this is a three year plan that we're required to submit to Florida Housing every three years. So we just actually updated it and sent Florida Housing our new plan. And Laurie, they didn't come back with any comments, did they? No. Sure.

Good evening. So Gloria Kelly with the Grants Department. I work with Andrew. The LHEP that you have presented in front of you, that was updated as a result from our monitoring. So within our village purchasing policy, we do allow projects to exceed $50,000 However, it does have to be presented to counsel for their approval.

So from our monitoring, we did have one project that exceeded, and it was $55,000 in total. So the monitoring observation was that we needed to make sure our LHAP, rather than showing $50,000 for a total project, went up to $65,000 So it could cover anything that had any overage. But as far as, like Andrew said, we were still in compliance. That was just one observation. So because of that, we updated the LHAP.

So the one presented in front of you has that update to a house of owner occupied rehab can go up to $65,000 which would include the actual project along with project delivery costs, such as the title search, mortgage recording, and any change orders that could be into effect once that rehab is started.

Gloria, on that project that was $55,000 do you know what was the scope of work?

Sure. So it was a townhouse. And it was a new tile roof. They did rat abatement of rats, and then they thought it was termites, but it ended up being rats. Some impact windows, an HVAC system, and then fixing some drywall from the HVAC system. And also important to note that from the 2022 program year, we did see an increase of costs because that was coming after COVID-nineteen. But since then, a lot of the projects have kind of decreased a little bit. So that one was one that was a little bit higher than our typical project.

I'm surprised they were able to do all of that for $55,000 to be honest with you.

Yeah. And

that process, obviously, they've got to pull permits. Can they do it as an owner builder? Or do they have to

No. So it's the general contractor who obtains all the permits and everything. And then we pay the contractor, so there's no exchange of funds to the owner. It goes directly to the contractor when they've completed the work.

And do we have an improved list of contractors, or how does that work?

So we actually have our process is open bidding. So any contractor that meets our purchasing requirements, and they are a GC within the State of Florida, or if it's a specific trade, like if it's strictly a roof project, we do allow roofing contractors to bid as well. But typically it's a GC, so they can encompass all of the building permits. They go to the pre bid meeting that's scheduled two weeks prior to bid opening. They have to attend that it's mandatory. They walk the property. They can take their own measurements, maybe ask any questions to Andrew or the building official. And then they have two weeks from that date to submit their sealed bids. And it's awarded to the lowest responsive bidder.

And so these bid packs, when they go out, the contractors know this is for this program. You're looking at a project that there are some financial constraints from the owner. So they might be willing to be maybe sharpen the pencil a little bit more, knowing it's not a $30,000,000 house in Palm Beach that's going up?

Yes, that's correct. We have a lot of

You don't really give them that. I mean, we attach the project specs, but we don't kind of they don't kind of understand well, some of the I mean, some of the contractors do because they've been

Well, working it's coming that. From a government entity. It's yeah, there's got to be some relationship there.

JAMES Yeah. But we include the project specs, but they don't JAMES Some of the contractors don't understand that it's for low income housing.

No. A lot of the contractors know of CDBG and SHIP from working with other municipalities or even with the county. They just may not know, unless we have our repeat contractors who have participated in the program for a while, what the maximum is. So we do have some bids that come in at $45,000 $47,000 and then you have a new contractor come on board. Even though we're fully transparent, we have all of that on our website as well as our bid documents, but they may come in with a bid at 65,075 thousand dollars yeah, just

Have we had a situation where somebody's been awarded the bid and then all of a sudden they realize, oh, wait, that covers maybe my material costs, I've got no profit for labor or

Well, so they have to submit the request for quotes. So in there everything is filled in: their permits, their overhead and profit, and then each line item is in there. So they can't come to us. Really, we deter anyone trying to come to us and trying to increase the project. However, with industry, if there is something of a price increase, we can look to approve an increase if they do provide vendor documentation and other information, such as we did have to increase a few projects due to tariffs when that was occurring. So that was something. But other than that, they just can't bid on something and then come back to us and say, oh, actually, it's REPRESENTATIVE:] this

Anything we could do better? Any feedback that, you know, kind of for this process that hasn't gone over well with contractors or homeowners?

So right now, when the projects are done, the homeowner does receive their pay packet, and then we'd have a survey that they have. And so there's three parts of the survey. The first part is kind of onboarding. Did you know the information prior to coming into the program? The second part is working with us, grant staff. And then the third is the did you like your contractor? How was the project? And from there, we've been able to gain some, you know, what we can do better. One thing that did come out of two grant cycles ago was we actually put together a timeline. So before, we would just correspond, this is your next step, and so on.

And we'd have it on the website. But now we actually have a, like, marketing materials. So once they've been approved for the program, the timeline is sent out, and then we also have that as well. So people can actually see, Okay, I'm on step three of the process of step 12, so

Yes. I think the difficulty is really managing the expectations of the homeowner. I think sometimes people forget the spirit of what we're doing and the purpose of these grants. Everybody thinks they're getting top of the line, new everything, but it's a like for like program. It's that's what you're getting.

UNIDENTIFIED So the contractor knows what the budget amount for the job?

So they actually the request for quotes Andrew prepares, and it's blank. So they're going to fill in the quantities are there, but they put in their pricing. So they don't know. We do receive from our building inspector with the software a cost estimate to that project, so we have a ballpark. But when they're bidding on it, they're putting in their own numbers. They only have the quantities for that.

But he doesn't know what the limit for the budget for the job? Like you said before.

Oh, for the projects? So we do have on our website and in the documents that the owner occupied rehab can go up to $50,000 But lots of times, those projects are well below that, really within, like, the $35,000 $40,000 range. Only really those when we see when our building official has the bid document estimate and we see that it's kind of close to them, we play the game of, Okay, well, we'll send it out there. And worst case scenario, if it does exceed and we feel that we can remove some items, then we can deduct at that time removing items. And when we do that, we remove the item from all of the bids that were submitted, not just the lowest responsive.

It's a Davis Bacon job, right?

I'm sorry?

Davis Bacon, the

The inspector job? Oh, yes. So our building department. We actually have another process. And this has come out of just conversation with the building department. But when the contractor submits the paperwork, they mark down that it's a grant. So it helps kind of expedite it through permitting technicians, and then our building officials can review it. And they have to still follow the same guidelines as anyone that wants to do any building in Wellington.

And that's one of our AHAC incentive strategies is the expedited permitting. So that goes through our building apartment quicker because of that strategy.

So my experience is, like, if the owner is doing the job, then he has less overhead, so can be within the budget numbers. But if he's using a lot of subs, then all the prices go up and then

Yes, it depends. Some we have a lot of repeat contractors. So the The contractors competitors

kind of they know the program, so they kind of know maximum is 50. I mean, we don't explicitly tell them like that's the maximum, but they know.

Yes. They know they're going to get paid.

So that's Yes. Another part of

So there could be a lot of subcontractors that they're doing the work because the big guy doesn't want to get that low. So the subcontractor

Yeah, depending upon the contractor, yeah.

But some of these projects maybe it's only your roof. So you don't need a GC, you just go write to a roofing contractor. If it's just a window. Have we had a situation where bids came back that exceed the allowance, and a homeowner can say, well, you know what, I can chip in $10? Or if they can chip in $10, they don't need the grant?

So we've typically either removed items from the project, or if we feel that the house is in disrepair and needs those items, that's when we present it to counsel for those individuals.

There's no restrictions on materials. If it's like, Okay, there's going to be new plumbing put in, maybe they want waterworks versus, you know, Moen or

JULIE No. So again, we follow the building department with their guidelines. So we don't pay attention to the brands. It's the actual product approval that It they're looking would be a like for like if they have something existing. But as far as brands go and this is always the number one with HVAC systems of wanting a specific brand. But as far as permitting and with the building department, as long as it's product approval and it's up to the Florida Building Code, and it's also up to the capacity needed for the home, that's something.

Because, yeah, I mean, I can do a $10,000 bathroom or a $50,000 bathroom, you know, depending on finishes.

Yeah. Well, we usually get five to 10 contractor bids on each project. So it's it's usually has yeah. It has to be pretty competitive for them to win. So

yeah. But but generally, I think on the specs, they'll say even if they name a product, then it say it's a similar Mhmm. That the product

that's yes.

So then meet the requirements.

Yes, I can send out an email with kind of our process of how we send out the projects to contractors, if you want to take a look and review it.

And how does a community, the ones who will qualify to get that grant, how do they apply? How do they know this exists? They live in a corner that they don't even have a computer.

Yes, a good question. So we've done some marketing through the utility bills. We've done that in previous cycles. Our funding for this cycle is actually lower, so we're not gonna be taking as many applicants. But we've gotten a lot of interest from people from walk ins, from people sending emails, And we're actually going to open the app applications May 1, and that is all online. So you go to our website. You click on the grants tab, and then we use a software called Neighborly, which facilitates all the applications. Because there's a lot of documents, lot of W-two information and that.

How do you alert the residents that you're going to be opening this up on May 1?

So we've sent out notices through the Palm Beach Post as well as the town crier as well as our website.

JAMES Is it available in more than one language?

JAMES I believe it's available in Spanish.

So Neighborly allows the applicant to go on and We pick whichever JACKIE

don't work with code enforcement. I would think that we do code cases where clearly somebody can't make the improvements to become compliant because of some financial constraints. And that would be a great way to sort of communicate have some outreach to those homeowners.

Do. So once the media release is ready to go, that's sent to code, building, senior services, community services, and customer service. And so that way we do get a lot of referrals, actually, through code and even building at times. So the village knows to send anyone that's inquiring to us. And the utility bill was a big help, but like Andrew said, with funding being limited this year, with our applicant pool having to be smaller than past years, we felt that the utility bill would just kind of exceed the expectation of really where we can help the most with

the I rest of think code enforcement would be a great partnership. It built so much goodwill with homeowners. Instead of being sort of this compliance officer who's breathing down their neck and sending them to a magistrate, we have a resource and solution to help improve the look of your property, which improves the neighborhood. So I would again, I'm sure you guys are exploring all of those resources, but that would seem to be a really good way to build some trust and value with the homeowners.

I agree with that, because we've had a lot of code enforcement issues. And I mean, I spend a lot of time on the phone with these residents. Too much. It's annoying. Not annoying to hear from them, but annoying that they're going through this. So I would love to explore how we can really communicate that, because I think that that's a really important thing.

Right now we have code enforcement. They have our flyers that actually list the checklist documents, because that's always the main thing of, oh, you should look to apply for this grant. Okay, well, what do I need for the application? How do I apply for it? So they have this year, going out kind of outreach wise, our little flyer similar to the timeline, but this one actually gives all of the document information. And so it kind of helps residents understand, like, oh, it's not just I can go in and, oh, I want to apply for this. But it actually is a detailed application. And like Andrew said, we're collecting a lot of information to make sure that these individuals really are the

Just to follow-up on Councilwoman Silvestri's point, JAMES I think a lot of times there's a level of embarrassment. If somebody has a code issue and there are financial reasons why they can't get things up to code. So rather than just sort of directing them to a website, it'd be nice if we had somebody internally, customer service, that can do that kind of personal outreach and see if we can't really educate them on what programs and resources are internally through the village to help maybe resolve some of these issues. I think that's a really good way to spend some of these dollars.

I agree. Oh, yeah. One thing that we can do, maybe we can meet with Mr. Stillings and discuss it further, because he's who I talk to every single time I get a phone call. Maybe there's something that our code officers can have on hand when they go out to these homes. And if a resident says, I can't afford it. I'm a single mother. I'm elderly. Whatever the case may be. And they give them this little document that says, here's how you get information on the funding, I think that that would be great, because then it's on them to reach out and do it. The code officer can make a note that that's what they did, then we can move forward. And at least there's more of a fairness and understanding, because there's so many people going through so much.

Yeah, we can for this cycle. In the past, we've given the Code Officers, we've given them, like, little grant flyers that they can hand out when they're going there.

We know if What's they do that? Do we

know if they do it? This past grant cycle and then the one that's right now that we're gearing up for, we've gotten a lot of referrals from Code four items. About how

many would you say?

Oh, I don't know offhand. I would say at least within the last week, maybe or not the week, month, eight. But unfortunately, some of those we do refer to other organizations, like the Rotary Club, because they are covering cosmetic items, such as landscaping or painting or power washing. And unfortunately, those are items that are ineligible under our program. But we're always looking for ways of how we can help the residents. And we also are hosting a grants application seminar at the end of this month. So that'll be an opportunity for residents to come in. They'll see exactly what the application's going to look like when they go to log in. And really, the time one on one to answer any questions or concerns that they may have. And anything, that's the opportunity.

They can come out and see what it's all about.

Okay. Great.

Thank you, Gloria.

Well, you're right. Kind of those lower income, kind of like the 12th Fairway, kind of the old Wellington areas that really get hit hard by our code officers, those are actually the majority of our grant recipients come from those areas. So it's a good point.

the residents have a choice? Like once the contractors make their bid, do they have any influence whatsoever? Is it just whoever's chosen to be the Yeah.

They have, owners kind of selections. Depending upon what they're doing, like shingle color or, you know, if they're doing a roof or, you know, whatever. But, yeah, they they they do get selections. Yeah. So I thought we could go through the the LHAP and actually go through it and get some comment from our AHAC because don't think we've actually ever done that process.

So we can start on Page two at the bottom. The purpose of the program is to meet the housing needs of the extremely low, very low and low income households. So what that actually means is so people that qualify for our SHIP program have to be in the 80 area media income or below.

Which is what these days?

I think for a single 60,000 for a single individual, 60,000 or below. And then it kind of depending upon the household size, it goes up from there. But so about 60,000 or below.

Okay. Thank you.

Years covered by this plan are 2025 through 2028. The ship program is established in accordance with section four twenty nine zero seven-nine 79 of the Florida Statutes in Chapter 6,737 of the Florida Administrative Code. Cities and counties must be in compliance with these applicable statutes, rules, and any additional requirements as established through the legislative process. The local housing partnership, the SHIP program encourages building active partnerships between government, lending institutions, builders and developers, not for profit and community based housing providers and service organizations. Providers of professional services related to affordable housing advocates for low income persons, real estate professionals, persons or entities that can provide housing or support services and lead agencies of the local continuums of care.

The plan is intended to increase the availability of affordable residential units by combining local resources and cost saving measures into a local housing partnership and using public and private funds to reduce the cost of housing. SHIP funds may be leveraged with or used to supplement other Florida Housing Finance Corporation programs and to provide a local match to obtain federal housing grants or programs. Public input. Public input was solicited through face to face meetings with housing providers, social service providers, and local lenders and neighborhood associations. Public input was solicited through the local newspaper in the advertising of the local housing assistance plan and the notice of funding availability.

Advertising and outreach, ship funding availability shall be advertised in a newspaper of general circulation and periodicals serving ethnic and diverse neighborhoods at least thirty days before the beginning of the application period. So we just did our outreach last week. If no funding is available due to a waiting list, no funding of availability is required. Waiting list and priorities. Applicants will be maintained in an order that is consistent with the time completed.

Applications were submitted as well as any established funding priorities. So we take people on a first come, first served basis. And there are priorities. So it's the lower the income are the priorities because we actually were required to there are certain buckets of thresholds we have to meet with our funding. So we have to give the majority of our funding to people who are in that very, very low income brackets, which we've actually been able to hit all our buckets.

But we thought, when we first signed on to this program, that we thought it'd be very hard to find people in Wellington that are in those really low income brackets. But we've actually had no DAY: problem filling those buckets.

Is this a taxable event for recipients? Do they get a ten ninety nine?

JAMES Is it a what?

JAMES A taxable event? Do they get a ten ninety nine?

JAMES I don't believe it is. Yeah, I don't believe it is, no. In accordance with the provisions, it is unlawful to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, natural origin, age, handicap, or marital status in the application process. Support services are available from various sources. Available support services may include, but are not limited to, home ownership counseling, credit counseling, tenant counseling, and foreclosure counseling.

So the purchase price limits that the sales price or value of new or existing eligible housing may not exceed 90% of the area average area purchase price in which the eligible housing is located. So we're we get these numbers from HUD. And basically, to qualify, you can't be above that threshold.

We ever do appraisals? What's that? Do we

ever do appraisals on properties? So we use the property appraisers. We use their number. Income limits, rent limits, and affordability. The income used in the SHIP program are updated annually by the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Welfare transition program should be an eligible sponsor be used. A qualification system and selection criteria for applications for awards to eligible sponsors shall be developed, which includes a description that demonstrates how eligible sponsors that employ personnel from the welfare transition program will be given preference in the selection process. In the case of rental housing, the staff and any entity that has administrative authority for implementing the local housing assistance plan, assisting rental developments shall annually monitor and determine tenant eligibility or to the extent another governmental entity provides periodic monitoring and determination, municipality, county or local housing financing authority may rely on such monitoring and determination of, tenant eligibility. So moving on to the next page, our project delivery costs. These are expenses for delivering housing services under the strategies of owner occupied rehab, emergency repair, and disaster repair to eligible applicants.

So these costs were not allowed to exceed 5% of the total project cost. And we do give priorities to groups that are considered essential personnel. These are teachers, educators, other school district employees, community college, university employees, police and fire personnel, healthcare personnel, and skilled building and trades personnel. So we try and in our projects, we try and incorporate green strategies when possible ENERGY STAR qualified appliances, water sense faucets, ceiling fans, mold, lead and asbestos removal, and motion and light fixtures and switches. So as part of those set asides, we have to meet a 20% special needs set aside.

And to do this, we to meet these needs, we advertise to agencies and partners that serve the qualified special needs population. We also communicate with various organizations that serve this population. All housing program activities, give priority to special needs populations.

And do you always find the 20 needed?

We have thus far. Yes.

And if you don't, are you allowed to allocate it somewhere else? If you is there like a form you fill out or something you do?

No, they're very strict with you have to hit that 20% special needs allocation. It's probably the strictest thing they're on is the special needs. So going on to the next page, Page six, this goes into our strategies. Our strategy being owner occupied rehabilitation. So we've just increased the maximum award to 65,000.

As Gloria was saying stating earlier, if the lowest responsive bid exceeds 50,000, the project now may be presented to village council for review and approval. This is in accordance with the village of Burlington's purchasing procedures. All project delivery costs are included within the $65,000 So the terms of the loan, it's over five years. The interest rate is 0%. Forgiveness on the loan is 20% each year.

And we've only had one instance where we've had a foreclosure, and in that instance, they're required to repay the amount. And then we did have a project where they went ahead and sold the house after we completed the project a few months after the project. And in that case, they had to repay the entire amount.

Do we lien the properties?

We do. You do. Yes.

And then our next strategy is emergency repair. This strategy is intended for homeowners whose life, health or safety is threatened by conditions in their home as determined by our building inspectors. This may include, but is not limited to, a leaking roof, plumbing problems, lack of functioning sanitary facilities, lack of heat or cooling systems and electrical hazards. So the award for this is up to 15,000 and this is actually this is considered like a pure grant in that there's no repayment schedule. And as you see, there's no interest rate.

Moving on, our next strategy is disaster repair. In the event of a disaster or emergency, as declared by the executive order of the president or governor of the state of Florida, SHIF funds will be used to leverage available federal and state funds to provide assistance to income eligible households. So we were able to use this. You remember back when we had those tornadoes that came through Wellington, we were able to use the disaster repairs to help out a family. And then moving on, our incentive strategies that have been approved by you guys or AHAC is expedited permitting and ongoing review process.

And I thought for our next two meetings, we can actually highlight some of the additional incentives that are allowed. And we can get some of our planning and zoning staff to kind of go into each incentive, and we can have a longer discussion. Because I know we've had these two now for a number of years now. So I don't know if we want to maybe get a new incentive going. And then that was kind of that's basically our plan, and that's what we submit to Florida Housing. So I don't know if anybody has any comments or or questions.

Mr. Andrew, if you record any money going back to the SHIP program or goes to

the Wellington? So if we do have one of those instances where there's a foreclosure or somebody sells their property within the five year period, that's considered income to the program, and it goes back basically basically into our budget. We use it for another project.

Does would any of the funds be okay to be used for, like, a deductible? Like, if someone made a claim, but they just weren't able

to pay their deductible?

That that that could be. So we would have to approve a new strategy for that to be included. I know in talking with you guys or AHAC and as well as Village Council, they've made it clear that they think the owner occupied rehab is kind of the best way to go about using these funds. Because we also, in addition to SHIP, we also have been doing for a much longer time, we get CDBG funds, and we do owner occupied rehab as well for CDBG. I think they feel that we can reach FRANCOIS the

most amount of people with these

And you're kind of looking at this Board as this advisory committee to counsel. Obviously, we've got a new council coming in. It'd be a little bit of a transition. Is our role? How would you define our role? Mean, kind of feel like and I'm happy to have these discussions, and I hope we provide you guys with some good feedback. But on a broader sense, mean, are we here to sort of kind of check the box from the statutory requirements or?

Well, is because we receive if a jurisdiction receives over $300,000 it's required to have an AHEC. So because we're our allocation for this year is, I believe, it's $4.50. So we're above that number. So we have to have an AHAC.

And we're happy to support staff's recommendations and kind of defining these programs. I just sometimes wonder, what is it you really need from us? I think we all have sort of various backgrounds, and we have great diversity on this committee, experienced professionals. So I don't know if I'm contributing in a way that is making a difference or if there's something you need from us or, again, if we're just sort of here to check a box.

JAMES So really the purpose of AHAC is to formulate those incentives. In our very first meeting, I wasn't here, I know Tim Stillings presented on he went through all those incentives that Florida Housing puts out as kind of allowed incentives for an AHAC. And he went through each one. And it was determined from that meeting that really the two that we have are really the only ones that we need. But we're supposed to review those incentives every year, which we haven't been doing a great job.

But and admittedly, that's part of that is is my fault. But but for next meeting, we I I can send down an email. We can pick which incentives we wanna kinda discuss further, which we can have that discussion with Tim and members of Planning and Zoning. But that is kind of the purpose of AHAC is to review those incentives and pick which ones make sense.

If there's anything you can provide us prior to the next meeting to talk about incentives and maybe just cite examples in other municipalities that had success with other incentives, I think that would produce a much more lively and effective Sure. Meeting.

And also, if we can take a look at what percentage of the community is being impacted by this type of program. Because that will because you see that the perception always is everybody in Wellington has a big pocket. They don't need it, this. But in reality, it's another one. So we have to make sure that we're really helping the way we're intended to be. Sure.

Well, think the criteria that's been established really does limit that pool of potential recipients to people in need. We're not looking at helping somebody in Mallet Hill that has a dirty roof. But people that are really struggling to maintain a proper house that's dry, safe, cool, warm, whatever the case may be, they all deserve to have good housing. And I'm very proud that I live in a town that recognizes that, and we help those people. But yeah, I mean, anything like that, if you want us to think about incentives and bring something to these meetings, I'm happy to do it. But again, if it's UNIDENTIFIED John, sit there and listen,

we've to make sure we're in compliance with the state, that's okay,

That's not okay with me. I don't want to come here to check a box. If we're going to have these meetings, I want to be stacked, prepared. Let's get things done. And if there's things that I can, you know, bring up at a Council meeting or whatever, that's what I want to see at these meetings, if I'm going to come sit here for an hour.

Sure.

Okay.

That's all I've got. Thank you, guys.

A motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn.

Second. Second.

Was there a public

do you an open public comment, Gloria?

Do you have a question? Do have a comment?

UNIDENTIFIED No, Gloria answered my question.

Oh, okay. Okay.

So

that's it.

I think we're adjourned. Well, thank

you all. Thank you.