Planning Board - Regular Meeting

test Just good evening everybody. I'd like to welcome everybody to tonight's regular planning meeting for May 20th, 2025. I'd like to thank everybody here in attendance. Like to go ahead and um call to order and determine a roll call, please. John Junyang, Rick Krauss, Dan Ferris, Ted Toer, Cardbury, Trey Taylor. Awesome. Thank you everybody. Like to go ahead and move down to um approval of tonight's agenda. Are there any amendments to this evening's agenda? Seeing no one, I'd like to go ahead and then make a motion to adopt tonight's agenda as presented. So moved. Seconded. All those in favor? I I Majority has that. Thank you. Like to go ahead and move on to minutes for correction and approval. We have two um this evening. We have March 18ths and April 14th for approval and or corrections. Anybody have any corrections or notations that they'd like to make? Awesome. I'd like to go ahead and um without objection, I'd like to go

ahead and move to approve March 18th, 2025 and April 14th, 2025's um planning board meeting minutes. So moved. Thank you. I'll second it. Do we need a second? Thank you. Oh, very good. No, you're a second is not required. Just Thank you, Barbie. Like to go ahead and open it up this evening for general public comment. Was there a vote on the motion? I believe. Was there all in favor? Unanimous. Thank you, Barbie. I would like to Is it Anybody have any objections? Just double checking. Okay. Thank you. I'd like to go ahead and open it up for general public comments. And I would like to just go ahead because I know there is a possibility of online submissions. Is there any sub submitted questions? No. No. Like to go ahead and then close general public comments. Moving on to item E, old business. Um, this evening we have our town clerk, Barbie Bruce, to present and discuss our planning board rules of procedure. Barbie, would you join us at the podium, please? Thank you. It's not my mic. Perfect. Good evening board. Um before you you have um comments from some board members that have provided um their comments for their the rules. You also have a copy of

the 2021 minutes there and I've provided a revised copy of the draft meeting minutes. Um basically what the new draft has is it addresses the comment that uh chair Ferris um had concern with about um the BOA. So we have included in 1-2 um a cynics for the board of adjustments and how that functions. There has also been a concern about um the waxaw two term limits um and we understand of the continuity on the board which is very understandable. So what I would like for you all to consider is maybe possibly uh providing an exeicio type seat where for the scenario would be if uh say you had new elections and chair Ferris and vice chair Lameé were not elected for that and someone else was then they would serve as the exeicios for that year to help the new chair and vice chair uh transition into that role. Um this will continue that continuity because the exeicio uh seats would help with um with the training of the new chair and the new vice chair if that occurred. So I would recommend that you maybe put in something in your rules of procedure that uh addresses that so that we uh know that there will be um exeicios if that uh election was

different from from year to year. And that takes care of that where you roll off for a year and then you have and you stay off for a year but you're still an exeicio. And then if you're reelected for the following year um for a new year then it all it all transfers back and forth. So then just to clarify then one of my points was to make sure that we had clarity on if there was a year break that um a a board member whether it was myself or Miss Lame or any other board member that holding um an executive position um that year break then they could be reelected to a vice chair if they had been chair or after a year break or are Correct. Correct. Keep in mind, remember that your terms are for three years. Yes. Um and so if you're elected in that first year term as chair, you're not technically off of the board. You just roll off of that position, but you're still a board member. So, um, so if you were rolling off, let's say, chair Ferris, if you were rolling off for the year, you would become that exeicio, but you would still be a, uh, planning board member until your term expires. Okay? So, the terms don't um don't follow the uh the seat position. Your terms as planning boards, it follows you as a member, not just the chair and vice chair. That's just a function within the board that you you have um and you oversee uh the proceedings of the meetings. Yes, ma'am. Then um then one of my other questions would be to it if the vice chair and the

chair to make sure that it it's clear that they're two different executive seats. So the vice chair could be elevated to chair without having to take the year break. Uh, correct. Okay. And that's what I just wanted to make sure in one of my comments is I wanted to make sure that that was clear. It kind of left it a little open for interpretation uh depending on readings. And I just wanted to make sure that that point was clear that they were two separate executives essentially and that the vice chair could be elevated to chair, but that same year follows that chair and vice chair. So yes, uh technically that vice chair would still roll off the same year that the chair does if that vice chair position had not been reelected. Okay. Is that that and are you under am I understanding your question? Am I providing the right answer? So if they have back scenario served two two terms as vice chair and then they vice chair it becomes an elected chair but they had already served as two as an executive as vice chair. Can they be elevated and or do they have to take that year break because they were on the executive committee or the chair and vice chair? You would they would still take that that year break until it's time for them to come back on. Okay. That that But they would technically not be off. They would be an exeicio seat. So they would use that year in the exeicio seat as that transition period where you would generally if you didn't have an exeicio seat then they would roll off for the year and just become the planning board member. Yes. while someone else serves in that seat and then they would be eligible to either be

elected as chair or back to vice chair if they choose. But they but that's the beauty of the exeicio seat is they technically don't really completely roll off for a year in that seat but they're providing that continuity to a new chair or a new vice chair. Sure. Okay. Is that clarified? I I think that that kind of does everybody understand that? And I think I think I that was more of what I was curious about is are we looking at it as essentially individual seats or as essentially a an executive body and they have to roll off and I that's what I just wanted to clarify. No, you're you're correct. They are two separate seats. Um but with the exeicio uh seats then you generally don't roll off. You're just providing that support to the new Okay. And then the new uh chair and vice chair would assume uh the duties of like an OAB. Um correct. And then we we or the exhibition in that case any case we could be a support element. So if the chair said hey you guys did the OAB last year and we're just get going. Would would you team up with us and kind of thing and can we partner up to to help address the OAB? It's a new process for us. We can as an exeicio we can work together and and counsel and advise to the best of our ability along with staff. Correct. And when that time comes then you would also help the new chair during that OAB function to you know do the interviews and vet the candidates just like um just like any other member would. I don't understand. Um I'm sorry I wasn't recognized. Thank you. I'd like to go ahead and recognize you. Yeah. Um, thank you. I don't understand the difference

between uh being an exeicio official um and just being a board member that has experience and is able to help and advise. I don't understand what the distinction uh is between a regular board member who used to be a chair uh and an exeicio chair. The exeicio is in and in in many um on many boards they will have someone that transitions off. So they become the exeicio seat to help with the new transition. Uh granted it can be a board member but this kind of gives you the continuity in case that board member happens to be also new. So it gives the continuity to the board and to the chair and vice chair seats so that um they can give them the support to help them manage and um oversee the meetings. Does the exeicio um designation um carry with it any sort of responsibility or authority laid out in the rules of procedures that's distinctive from any other board member? No, they they would just serve as during that transition period to the to the chair and the vice chair. It's just a sort of way to formalize the planning board's um expectation that a um former chair has um an informal obligation to serve as a mentor to a new chair and same for an exeicio vice chair. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. It just solidifies them, I believe, as for lack of better words, a special adviser. Correct. If you want to call it that. Yeah. Okay. Anything else on that?

Thank you for your work on that, Barbie. I appreciate the work that I'm sure Cindy did as well on coming up with the exeicio and the entire staff. So appreciate you working with us to hear some of our concerns and and as we work through this and um finding a very positive solution and how to work and make sure that there is some continuity um in the future because I believe that's going to be important moving forward in the in the near years is um to one bring in new talent and then to retain the talent we do have on this board. Correct. Correct. And that's that's one of the beauties of having this board is that you have the continuity to to be able to pass on to the other members so that everything is seamless and there's not a lot of um uh time to get people up to speed. It's just kind of a a seamless transition and it's more effective for for you guys to to be able to to do it that way. Um so Oh, I'm sorry. for I'm still getting Go ahead, Rick. Thank you. Um, as written, I'm having trouble understanding um, if I understood your your comment that um, a person couldn't be vice chair for two consecutive um, one-year terms and then immediately become chair. Um, that would that that would violate this um, this rule. But I don't read it that way. It seems very clear that um those two positions are are not synchronized um and therefore um one could serve two years as a vice chair followed by two years as a chair without violating the rule. Um so which I'm comfortable with but that's not how you described it. So we may need to change the language to be

clearer um if the intent is as you described it. So annually you select or you uh by motion you elect a chair and vice chair every year. So it's the same position throughout that year. Mhm. So if the chair and vice chair are elected for another two consecutive years, the same two, then after that second year, both would have to roll off for a year, which means they would transition as an exeicio. Now to roll off, but but what I what I'm trying to tell you is this is not part of the rules. This is only a consideration. So this section would need to be revised in order to clarify what the exeicio members are doing so that it's you you understand that they do roll off a year for that. It's not that they they're rolling off of the planning board for a year. They're just rolling off of that seat for a year. they're transitioning to an exeicio um seat and they're providing that transition and that continuity to the new chair and vice chair. So just keep in mind that annually you do that. I think the question he's asking is at the end of two years of consecutive um time could the vice chair become chairman? Not until they roll off for that year. Okay. Like I'm saying, the the language is not in here. That's just a consideration based on a comment from Chair Ferris. So what everybody wants to hear is I the we need the understanding that if you serve

as a vice chair for two consecutive years, it does preclude you from becoming the chair in that third year. Correct. Okay. Correct. It's already It's already implied in your rules. It's implied based on here. It's um Do you need it to be more clear? Well, I would have two comments. Thank you. Um I would um propose changing it so that we did allow a person to be a vice chair for two years and then um be elevated to chair. That sounds like a pretty good approach to ensuring that you have um a decent succession plan. Um, but that wouldn't occur if you have elections. That would the only the only way that could occur is if that vice chair uh agreed to serve as a chair and you elected that person to be the chair. Absolutely. That would be the only way that would occur. They wouldn't automatically roll into that chair position because they're vice chair. I completely agree with that and that's clear in the language. So with the um clarification that um what this language seems to suggest is in agreement with what you just said uh which is if an individual has been elected two years in a row as vice chair and then is immediately elected to be chair in the third year that's okay. That's election. That's not some kind of automatic rolling into a position. If I understood you correctly that would be okay and that's good. I like that. So, as long as we all agree as to the terminology. So, while they're just keep in mind while they're serving in that exeicio role, they're in that year that they've rolled off. They're just serving in that in that in that capacity. So, yes, once they're finished with that year, then that vice chair could be elected to

chair, but that's only through motion. But it sounds sounds like we're saying there's a choice here. If we adopt this notion of exeicio, then we also are adopting the notion of um an exeicio not being um able to be elected to a different uh officer position. Um it sounds like it's an eitheror, in which case I would I would be um uh disposed not to go with the exeicio. And simply to clarify as you did Daniel and as you did John um clarify that it is that these two positions are are limited individually not um so that we could allow someone to be vice chair for two years in a row and then to be elected chair for two years in a row. So I I I hear what you're saying and I actually agree with about 92 98% something like that. I I I hear what you're saying. Um I just want to make sure. So I'll just use myself an example just to make sure that we're we're all I I served two years. I roll off on that third year. I roll off. The board says, "Hey, Chair Ferris, we want you as vice chair." I would be barred from vice chair on that third year. on the third year. Yes. But I would say not as currently in our rules of procedures only as your that's actually using your example and so using your example because that you like we were trying to say are they separated as separate executives essentially. Yeah. The and I have no problem with the framework of that. I just know

then what their concern is is chair vice chair Ferris served two years gets elevated third year to or nominated as chair. Sounds like based off of the current structure of the rules current structure. It would also bar the vice chair for being elevated to chair. Correct. But we can adjust our rules and just direct staff to kind of um maybe see if that is a possibility. And I know that the exeicio might cover based off of what staff is saying, but that the the the in between of continuity, but it sounds like Rick wants to be able to elevate the vice chair to chair on that third year. And so it sounds like that's what he's wanting. I'm not sure if having two sets of rules is something that can be in the logistics industry you want to make something repeatable and is it easy to understand and re a repeatable process without much laborousness kind of you don't want to be make it an arduous process so so either we have term limits and I don't mind term limits or it sounds like we let the election process play out with no term limits. Well, or or you get the third option that he's talking about is you have term limits, but the term limits are just for that particular position, not for all the positions. Yes. Or you separate the chair and vice chair like that. What I was asking Barbie is can that chair vice chair later be elevated in that third year? Right. She said what's written now? No. Yes. But I think what he's asking is can we separate the two? So that's the third option and that was my that I think I had laid out those three possibilities or I had also laid out a three force vote could override essentially that so essentially five out of seven votes could say hey we want our

vice chair to become chair and that's just part of the election process. That's correct. So we got a couple of options. I'm open to any of it. I I actually support the term limits. I understand that having some movement on the board al also is healthy to have other executives and other members be able to join as chair or vice chair. So I have no problems. I'll leave it up to you all. But it sounds like we've got a few options on the table to codify and clarify. I'll just say I like Ted's language. Um if you can remember how you said it. um which I think was term limits uh individually on each of the Yeah. What all I said was there's term limits on the chairman and vice chairman. That's it. I mean the idea that but there's no there's but they're independent of each other. So if you're chairman want to come vice chairman you come vice chairman. I mean the idea but but you're limited in those particular positions but but they're separated. I mean again I know you always worry about the vice chairman term passing back and forth for the two and that's that's the uh I guess the downside but that's but I think that's where the question is how how important is it because I think what's really great is we're in a situation where you're sitting on the board so you're still going have the influence of the people that are there. So like not like you're disappearing completely just like the ex official officer and how important that is because the old chairman is still going to be on the board. So, I mean this whole concept, I guess, is just a um you know, I'm I'm open to really anything from my perspective because even what's in here now, but it's again this idea of the exitual officer, I'm just kind of curious what that gets because the person's going to be here anyway. So, versus got to find that they're the exual officer.

I just I guess it it identifies, you know, if so if a planning board member or new planning board member, hey, this is your ex official. He's a backup. Yeah. If you if you also need to have an idea or who to ask and staff and you know, it's just another option. Again, special advisor and another resource tool in the toolbox. But also keep in mind that if you have an exeicio chair and vice chair and you have one of your vice chairs out, then that exeicio could serve in that capacity. or if you have a chair, the exeicio chair could serve um in place of the new chair if they're absent for that meeting. Um generally that proceeding goes over to the vice chair because they have the same duties um as the chair and presiding over over meetings. So it gives the opportunities for the vice chair to do that. Um just keep in mind that the term limits are consecutive. you have your elections every year. So that doesn't necessarily mean that the same person will be elected to that seat. It only means as if that person is elected for two consecutive terms as as that seat. They are separate and each one of them carries the same term limit regardless on how you're how you're reading this. It still reads that way. Sure. Um, so but it gives the the two people that need to roll off after they've served that two consecutive term, if they serve that, gives that those two people an opportunity to stay engaged in that position while they're in that one-year transition period for that seat. if they in fact want to do

the seat again after their year is up. That's all that is. So, um if you want to do that, then we can draft the language for that. If you don't, then we'll leave um the election part the way it is. That just gives that person, those two people an opportunity to to serve for that continuity for the two new chair and vice chair. That's all that's for. Barbie, um this doesn't change if someone someone's three-year board membership term is um on after their third year and then they get reappointed to the board. Correct. It doesn't change anything, right? So, the two consecutive year that's all in play still and all that stuff. No, that's just that's just the the seat that you all elect as members. Okay. That has nothing to do with uh the appointments or your your term appointment that has nothing to do with with any of that. So, it's it's just how your how the seats of the chair and the vice chair. That's it. So, I gave you something to think about, right? Yes, you did. I'm fine. And I think I it's the first time I've ever heard of an exeicio, so forgive me. I I was digesting it uh on the fly, but I think I understand and the what you all are uh have intended to accomplish with that position. I know for me it sounds like I'm I'm okay with it. um as written currently by staff. The only thing I would recommend and and this I don't this is the middle ground I think to what you're aiming for is would you all think about hey uh the

the twothirds vote can essentially nullify for the vice chair or chair so it's even across the board. Uh it could wave the term limit for one year. I don't understand the two. So that would mean you would have to have five of seven I believe uh of the of the board votes to say yeah we want you to serve the one additional or that third term but then I think that having a maybe a hard stop that where you would have to roll off so that vice chair could be elevated with a twothirds vote or five out of seven to share and that's a way to have the rule remain in place the way the staff is presented but the board during the election process can say, you know what, we really want that vice chair to be elevated. And that's strictly up to you guys. I mean, during that that portion of the elections, if you would like to nominate your vice chair as the chair, that's strictly up to you. And if that vice chair is willing to sit in that seat, then that's that's that's your pleasure as a planning board to do that. So, it's just it's just codify. This is just remember these are just guidelines in which for you to operate. If you want to change those by any means, then we can we can draft it like that. But this doesn't change anything based on how you're operating. Now, let's go ahead and maybe keep moving forward to see if there's any additional questions at this time. I I I think we've kind of figured out what we might need to do. I just I'm going to leave it to my other members to to if they have any questions or comments on those specifics. So, anybody else? Are we okay keep moving forward with Barbie? Thank you.

Um, so we and basically it's it's the comments that you had, Chair Ferris. Um, and some of those I've already uh redlined those in red. Um and if you have any questions based on that then we can go over those. Um I think the other concern was um quasi due that was just and you've already addressed that that was and I appreciate that. That was my only other thing that I was like, hey, I want to make sure that we're this one was clear, right? Because when you operate as the BOA, you are in a quasi judicial proceeding. So then you have another set of guidelines and rules that you have to um adhere to based on your 160D. And so because you're uh as a quasi judicial board, you are in the evidentiary uh proceeding where you're hearing um witnesses, evidence, and things just like you were in a courtroom. So we don't generally put any of that in your rules of procedure as a planning board because you that's a totally separate proceeding for you. and then formalization of public comment. I'm perfectly fine with what staff's recommended statement is. Right. And currently, right now, you already have a a public comment period. You offer a general comment period uh at the start of your meeting. It's part of your agenda. Um I just didn't know if we needed to formalize that in our rules or procedures. No. No. because there's no statutory requirement for you to hold um public comment, but you do for um out of consideration of the public that is here or what they want to uh uh to to give

comment on uh some of the uh land use items that you may have. Perfect. And then the last one uh was just something that I I I thought would be helpful uh for our town clerk and staff and if someone needed to be designated just kind of formalizing that port. Right. Yeah. And I appreciate that. And from from time to time we'll we'll designate. Usually my deputy clerk will fill in if I'm not able to. Um so we're getting her up to speed um with that. But um it's um you know is is it's a pleasure to to serve you um as as a member of of your board. So I'm I'm I'm a able to do that. Thank you. Um, I also wanted to point out from um, let's see if I can find that now. Okay, if you in part 13 where you have your motions, um I believe there was a little bit of confusion um to 134 where it says majority vote. So what majority vote means is just a vote of the members that are present. Um and if you're not here, then you can't vote. However, if you are here and you leave and don't get excused, then that is an automatic affirmative vote. So, majority vote is just the the uh members that are present at the time that that vote occurred. So, we have also put um

in after the rules or as set forth by instate law. So if it's required by state law then we have to follow the the motions based on the state law and we struck the um a concurrent vote of the four fifth majority shall be required for variance that is only when you are serving as a BOA. So we feel that that was a little bit confusing in that area. So, we struck that language from that and I believe that was um and I think Ted had a question about um 68 um members and discussing pending cases. Um, as you know, we have um we've talked about that where it's a quorum if the majority of you are meeting in a public place and you're discussing an upcoming case. So, you've you've um you've created an unofficial meeting. However, there's there's nothing wrong with you all meeting or having a social time with two of yours or three. Um and but we would rather you refrain from any talking of any pending um plans that might be coming through simply because it could cause bias and you could be recused from the vote because of your um previous conversations because you're you're not impartial uh to that particular information. Yeah, the point I was making is under section 68. You you said a lot more than 68 68 says prior to a blame board meeting.

Members are need to discuss pending cases, but you repay from responding with opinions and views. Well, if you're talking about pending cases, I assume you're going to have you're going to have opinions and responses. So, to me, that seems like the warnings you just gave now should be part of 68. if you're going to meet to talk about a pending case. Um, correct. That's that is there to let you understand what that means as far as meetings. That's not to say that we're saying yes, you can do that. You can meet you. But what that's saying is it's addressing what you need to do as far as meetings and how you are how you address that has um we're not saying that you can do that. Um, that's not what that's saying there at all. Okay. It sure sounds like you're saying that because it's prior to a planning board meeting, members are permitted to discuss pending. That sounds like you're giving a green light to do it. We're saying it's permitted to discuss pending cases. Again, that that's that's the only confusion I'm having is you're saying it's permitted to discuss things outside the meeting. And that's one guess I'm thinking is there should be some cautionary comment saying if you do discuss it these are things you need to be aware of but may again that there was or maybe you don't even put that section at all but went by saying you're permitted to meet outside the meeting to discuss cases it seemed like you're opening up opportunity like you said to have to recuse yourself issues if you don't handle it properly. That's that was the only point we're trying to make. Well, Ted, the one thing that's missing out of that sentence is facts. So, you can discuss the facts of a case, but if you start getting into conjecture and opinions and views, that's where it turns. I think that's that's kind of like implied in this and that's addressed in your conflict uh

your conflict of interest. Um because you know the overall is is that you have a pending case. You all can discuss that amongst yourselves. Um but you it should only be what you're discussing and not factual things. It's not something that you speak among other folks. It's just planning board members. Cindy, you want to help me on that? I'm going to just jump in here for a minute. Um, planning board members can meet with the public. If some if a developer calls you and says, "Can you meet with me? I'd like to talk with you about this." Sure, you can do that. Um, you should refrain from doing that as a board though. A majority of you should not do that. Meet with a developer or a citizen and two by two, three by three so that you don't have a majority meeting. But certainly part of your duty I think as a planning board is to gather facts about the case and it is to be available to talk with citizens or with developers about a case. Um so I think that that is what I've experienced through my entire career that a planning board it may meet with developers may meet with citizens if you want to. If you don't want to, then that's certainly up to you. Then I guess I'd recommend changing the policy simply saying that they can meet with non-members to discuss the case or non non-members of the board. Yes, you can versus saying they're permitted to meet to talk about the case. You can do that. And um I would recommend however that when you're meeting with a citizen, a neighbor, a developer that you don't commit to anything that you just gather facts. Right. So I'm talking about this information. I'm talking about this procedure. The procedure I think what you're saying is that you shouldn't say

simply meet prior or meeting. You should simply say that you can meet prior with non-me board members to gather information or something like that to to clarify who you're meeting with that you're allowed to prior to a meeting because it seemed like you're meeting other members of the board. It gets really sticky really quick. I think I I hear that it sounds like that we need to add a couple of words just in my opinion sounds like we John is correct to discuss facts not opinions of of a possible case. So, um, hey, uh, Cindy, I need to talk to you about, uh, setbacks for NC on this area. You know, how does this work? Uh, if the I had a citizen ask me for additional screening. I know that there's no additional screening like in the like distance-wise, but is there planting wise that we could address to help that citizen? The citizen is John Doe. And then can I connect them with the staff members? And that's kind of discussing a case, but you're not discussing or inviting your opinion. You're just discussing some of the facts of the case, but you're not in in diving into your conjecture. Well, and I would also like to point out that if it's quasi judicial, you should not be discussing the case at all. And I was going to say that, but yeah, I was going to say, so there's the and then then the BOA is completely different. It is like you are essentially a judiciary and you hear the facts almost as if they were sworn in at the podium and you only hear the facts presented on that evening. Uh if if I'm miss Okay, thank you. And so I think it sounds like if we added those two couple of words possibly it could clarify. Look, I wasn't disagreeing with the language that Barbie had. What I was saying is it's actually implied in here that you're to stick to the facts since

you're not to in the in the language it says you're not to respond with opinions or views. So I'm okay with the language. I I think so. What I'm what I'm hearing though was was there confusion on like a a quorum type of language that needs to be in 68 because it's addressed somewhere else though. Correct. Not in the formal meetings like we warn people that they're drawing the line when you get above get some things. Well, but Ted, I think I I don't mean to interrupt, but I heard I heard what your concerns were and what you're talking about is a quorum discussing opinions or I'm sorry, a quorum of members are permitted to discuss a pending case, which it doesn't say here. I mean maybe it could be clarified but all it's in general what to Cindy's point was as an individual member as a 2 by two or as a 3x3 you could discuss facts of a case uh of a with a developer or a citizen outside of a quorum outside of a meeting that's okay and I don't maybe was there confusion there oh no no the only confusion I have is it's not that specific It specific simply says that you can get together to discuss the case as long as you have a problem. And my concern is that if you're meeting somewhere and they people see you meeting as a quorum. No, no, don't again. But that see that doesn't say it's not a that's what I'm getting at. That's your concern. So if we want to add that, it sounds like exactly that's the part B is adding, you know, member uh pro. Um let me see if I could do this real fast. Uh, prior to the planning board meeting,

members absent a quorum are permitted to discuss pending cases and facts, but should refrain from responding with opinions. Right. Because that's all I'm talking about is drawing on that state line where you That's what I figured. Yeah. And I think if we added that or or slightly adjusted that language if anybody has any additional or or other recommendations. It sounds like that that we can clarify that. I'm okay with what you said. If we if we added language, I just jotted down something. Um, planning board members should be aware of open meeting requirements when meeting outside of the planning board meeting. Something along those lines. Yeah, something along, you know, prior prior to the planning board meeting, members are permitted uh absent a quorum. So just reinforcing or uh absent a quorum to discuss pending cases but should respain from uh should ref uh only respond with facts and refrain from responding with opinions. It would be majority. So it would be so yeah it' be so 2 by two 3x3 you know same thing if the bo had 2 by twos with the uh town manager that's not a quorum that's not a majority and it's not a majority and so you you're you are not breaking 160D you and you are permitted to have essentially civil conversation and with any members and have a lunch for the benefit of future future members coming in and not having to go through all that again. I think the added language would be okay. Staff okay with that? Cindy, are you okay with that? Would could Barbie and I work on that language and send something out to you? Sure. Or let me defer to you on that because did you want to get this voted on tonight?

No. No, it's not necessary to to do it tonight. um is we can draft that and send it back out. I'm okay with that as well. Okay. So, if there's no other comments, then I have concluded my review of these rules and procedures. I'll I'll open it up to my other planning board members. Rick, thank you. Yeah, I had some other comments. Um, I think that you feel like they may be addressed and I just need to be instructed on how they are already addressed or that I misinterpreted or or misread. Um, so probably the most substantive comment I had uh that we haven't discussed was the possibility of adding a mechanism for the planning board to um um vacate the appointment of a chair or vice chair. So, we elect them to a one-year term. That's normal. But if for whatever reason the planning board um wish you know wishes to remove a chair or vice chair that that I propose that that should be allowed. Um just in terms of symmetry the board elects and and the board holds accountable those whom they they elect to those positions. So are you saying it's already allowed? Um yes that's already mechanism in your rules of procedure because if you in fact as a board remove a member that is a written notice to the BOC because the BOC is the is the board that appoints you. So if you are asking for removal of a member regardless on what position they hold then that um that's already in these rules or procedures. That's a little different. So if it happens to be let's just say a chair or vice chair then you will hold

the same elections that you did when you elected that chair or vice chair to fill out the remainder of that term of that chair. So that mechanism is already there. There would be two votes. It would be a vote to vacate and then a vote to appoint. Correct. Yes. Yes. And and what my request was shy of that actually um what you're describing I believe is uh that there's already a mechanism for removing a planning board member regardless of what position they may or may not have as chair or vice chair. I'm saying I don't necessarily want the board to be able to eject a member of the board because the the board doesn't appoint members of the board. Um but the board does elect those officers and it seems to me the board should be able to vacate the elections of those officers without removing them from the from the planning board. So they remove them from the office but not from the planning board. It sounds like that may not be addressed and I may be the only one that wants that but um that that was my feedback. Did you follow what I'm saying or? Yes. So just to summarize it sounds like you want the ability in the rules and procedures to be able to um vacate or or strip an elected officer uh from his executive position. But it would not essentially it would be a step it would not strip him from the would not strip him or or make a written notice to the bo which then they would I'm sure that they would ask questions regardless of wondering why someone would got got elected and then and then stripped x amount of months a year uh because it's only 12 months in a year and then I I mean I'll be I I I like it from a a symmetry and a accountability

standpoint, the board the planning board elects its own chair and vice chair, the planning board should be able in my head. I think that's pretty mgiven. I I'll be honest with you. Uh democratic process, uh if if all of a sudden six members didn't like me, I'm just picking myself because I'm an easy target. I'll just pick on me. Six members didn't like me and you all said, "Hey, Dan, you're out. We we don't want you as chair anymore. What am I gonna say? Like, nah, you elected me and I'm going to just sit here and just, you know, Well, that's what be a lame duck. I'm just going to push back here, Rick, and and and I'm just going to say as a resident, I'm going to do common sense thing, and I'm going to use my logic and I'm going to say maybe I'm not being helpful to my other residents at that point. I might just excuse myself because I'm just a volunteer. I'm not holding the high office. So, if you really want something, I'm okay with it. I hear what you're saying. I get you want some additional authorities to be able to tug and pull. If I I'll leave it up to you all. You're looking for extra checks and balances and I think it's already there. I agree. I think a one-year term is not that long. um it does make people get to know their fellow board members and not just blindly vote for him originally as chair and vice chair. I think um as responsible adults that that uh want to be productive members of of the board, servants of the community, we owe that to the to the board of commissioners. We owe that to each other, the citizens to get to know each

other and actually put a thoughtful vote forward when we're originally voting for the chair and vice chair. We're just good neighbors. Yeah, I've served on a board in this town for getting on over 10 years and not aware of any board in this town or any other board I've been on where you've had that. Um, I think if the issue is bad enough, they need to be removed from the board in general and we have a mechanism for that. I'm good with that. I I think it's good and it's pretty much implied at this point in my personal opinion. I'm good with the language as stands by presented by staff. All right. Then we will um draft uh 68 um to your suggestions and we'll um make the make them available to the board and then you can adopt these at your next meeting. and then they'll need to go to the BOC for ratification. Is any do I on since we're continuing this to another do I have to make any motions or do I have to make any requests to continue this to the next planning board meeting um or upon staff? I I think it would be um in your best interest to just make a motion to continue this item to the next planning board meeting. Thank you. Then I'd like to go ahead and move forward to continue this item to the next planning board meeting. So moved. All those in favor? I I Thank you very much. All right. So the next thing, do we have a copy of in the back of our packet?

All right. One other thing I wanted to touch base with you guys. Uh, it's starting to be summertime and vacation and I don't believe um wanted to go through and make sure the dates that you all have um it's in your packet. It's this piece of paper right here. Um yes, thank you, Joe. Um it's probably on your screen now. If you'll just take a quick glance at these dates and see if they are uh still meets with your schedule or if you have some dates that you need to adjust so that we can make those revisions and get it before the BOC for them to read. Uh I I won't be available for June and maybe July. I'm traveling outside country. No, I didn't have a problem. The only one that I'm looking at and and I don't have a calendar pulled up right in front of me that October 21st, is that just a couple of days before a holiday? No, don't have a holiday. No, there's Veterans Day on a birthday. A lot of people think that's I just couldn't remember off the top of my head. Halloween's the 31st. Yeah, I'm not worried about Halloween. It's not a holiday. Not in my opinion. Well, if that's a holiday, let's let's take that. Mr. Holly, I just didn't know if there was a I couldn't remember if there was like a federal holiday or something like that. I don't go. So, Paliva, is there any um Indian holidays within those dates? That's my maybe that's that that's probably the holiday you're talking about. Thank you. Let me just

check. I thought I had it in here. You should celebrate that on the weekend. Yeah, he's right. It's a holiday. It's a kind of Christmas for us. It's a Diwali. It's a festival of lights. It falls on October 20th. So, and it goes for 4 days. So, October 21st. So, would you all want to um either cancel that meeting or reschedule that for another day? Um, could we direct staff to investigate if there's an availability for a possible special meeting on a reschedule and follow back up with this in the next June meeting and I would recommend if if possible out of respect for two of our members I believe that would be taking that as a holiday to just take a look at it and and then we can make maybe an ultimate decision in June. Is that is that possible? Yep, that's fine. Could we get dates in October that would be available for a potential special meeting? How about we follow up with you um in June and or our team would be happy to also email staff in the interim so we can try and work that out. I tell you what, let's make it easy. You all look at your calendars and you have the dates and you email me with some possibility of dates to coincide here if you need to reschedule. Then what we'll do is we'll formulate another possible schedule for you all and then we can determine the the special meetings there because to hold a special meeting I only need a 48 hour notice. Um, and then the purpose of the special meeting. Off the top of my head, why not just pick the 30th? But that's just kind of me off the

top of my head. I normally do try and avoid end of months though. That's just my normal business. But if just that if I it goes to the 28th for your holiday. No, four days. So 28. So the 28th 21st, 22nd and 23rd. Is that Yes. Yeah. Why don't we do the 28th? So So maybe the 28th would also be an option. Uh that that's what I was try I wasn't sure and that's why I was wondering could we maybe go after on that Thursday and if you reserve a room for sure. Oh yes. Hey I mean a double header. Yeah. I'm okay. May 29th. 29th. So there's So it seems like there's a range. Maybe they're right at the end. Maybe we sneak in before the BOC. Uh if our schedules couldn't sync on that on that Tuesday. If you want to do the 29th, then we can add the 29th and revise this and that way we won't have to put a notice out. This serves as your notice. Wednesday. The 29th. Yeah. And thank you Daniel for considering the holidays. Is that okay for Yeah. I think the October month we do I can make the 29th work as well. So I'm good with that if can everybody make the 29th. You need a followup. Okay. Yeah. Then it sounds like we Rick. Yeah. It's fine for me. We only have one person absent. So we don't know. So So in the rules of procedure it says that the regular meetings you have to hold them on the third Tuesday of each month at 6:30. So since we are changing it on the schedule but not having a special meeting, could we add unless published otherwise to the end of that sentence or or is it just Well, that's what's on the notice. Unless otherwise noted, the Waxaw board

of uh planning board holds regular monthly meetings on the third Tuesday of every month beginning at 6:30. So could we add that to the rules of procedure too is what I'm asking. Yes. Yes, we'll add that also. Perfect. Thanks. Any other dates? November, December. You're good with uh December. I will not be at the December meeting. Somebody turns 22. Same here. Yeah, I probably won't be at the December meeting if we want to take a peek at that. Um, let me see here. My term is up, so I don't even know if I get a say, but I mean I was going to say December vote either. Well, your term's not up yet. So, you do have a say. Thank you. But December, I will not be president in December. I would not sl You can't slide that one back. No, not back. Forward. I would do forward a week. Well, there is an option to cancel meeting entirely for the month. Yeah. Uh December seems to be the busiest month for staff, members, board of commissioners. Um so that is an option. Can we tentatively reschedu but understanding that we might need to revisit with staff or do you cancel? Well, you can leave it on here and if you choose to cancel the meeting, then all that is is just cancellation notice. Yeah. Then let's leave it as is. Okay. And then we'll probably follow up with that part B. Okay. Unless we have to and you need us for some reason. All right. All right. We'll leave we'll uh make that correction um for October and um we'll get a readoption by the board and we'll send the revised schedule out to all the members. Thank you. Thank you

for working with us um staff and all the planning board on that holiday. Cool. All right. That's it for me. Thank you, Barbie. We greatly appreciate it. With that, I'd like to go ahead and do we need to close that discussion, Cindy, just in case. I'd like to go ahead and close that discussion um for our meeting schedule item F1. Uh all those in favor? I I unanimous. Thank you. With that, I'd like to go ahead and move on to new business number two. Uh, this is a discussion of our planning board goals for 2025. Um, this is just kind of an opening and a dialogue uh to see if there is any ideas floating out there. Um, and I've been working with the board of commissioners and our planning staff. And on 6:2425, I will be going in front of the BOC to give a leadership update. Um, I did not get to attend the retreat this year with them. And that's normally when I get to have an open conversation. Um, I was uh, unfortunately not yet a part of back part of the team. And so there was kind of a a lapse um in that and we didn't we're not able to join with typically what occurs um in conversation and a participation with the BOC uh during the retreat period. So, this gives me an opportunity to can have a conversation with them, see what they might be looking for for some of their goals and also giving a report back of maybe what we're seeing and updating our rules and procedures, letting them know that we're we're we're working on that and syncing up with them on those types of items and if there's any other issues that we want to address.

Uh, you pretty much stole everything I was going to say. Um, so, so yeah, so we wanted to get a collective, uh, I guess a collection of ideas from all of you about, um, goals coming up for 2025. Anything that you guys want to work on specifically? Um, I know training has always been a big one. So, just continue continuing that training and education. Um, updating the rules of procedure, which are in progress. And then some of the other things have have included um having a planning speaker series or could be learning more about the land development code and being more familiar with it. Um and then uh and just general things like that that you think you guys would want to accomplish within this time frame of this year. Um, and then Daniel is is going to be bringing those ideas and kind of a a perspective from the planning board to the board of commissioners. Um, and so this was a directive directly from the mayor and asked that Daniel attend and give a leadership report. Um, so as a whole, we just want to hear from you guys what are some general goals that you that you would have. Um, and I have examples from previous years as well. And then I have um a draft one as well which are just general ideas. Um because I think in today's time there seems to be a lot of legislative updates that are occurring at the state level and so staff tries to stay wellversed in that. Um but having um you all and then having our board of commissioners be active in those uh new legislative goals that uh really affects some of our planning authority as as a

town and then also at the county level too. Um so this is just a draft document um of ideas or goals. um they've varied depending on the year depending on what we're working on. So one year is very heavy in the future land use plan and comp plan because we are in the midst of updating it. Um so we have fairly new ordinances. Um but you know this is your time to to really narrow your focus on on goals that you guys have. I'll bat lead off on this one. Um, I know I've championed in the past training and I'm very appreciative of our training this year that I got to say this was one of our most comprehensive trainings and I'm very thankful for it. The other thing that I would like to champion and work with staff is I know we're going through it right now and having any additional knowledge on our historical preservation and partnering even with our historical preservation committee. Um, garnering any additional knowledge that will help us plan better for that area would be priceless in my personal opinion. Yeah. And since you bring up historic preservation, um I know it's short notice, but we have a historic preservation workshop actually scheduled tomorrow. Our uh wonderful Janet Pirano is is given a presentation on uh tax credits and um our building exterior grant uh African-American history project. And then also uh this may be interest to you guys as planning board members, but also as residents. Um we're kicking off a Waxaw uh 250 committee to celebrate the 250th year uh signing of the Declaration of Independence. Um so that was an initiative that was brought to the county uh to get the county involved to

have a a larger steering committee or just a committee on it. Um, but there wasn't any interest. And so now, uh, Janet, I will say I'm bragging. Janet took it upon herself to to reach out to outside agencies like the Union County Library, our downtown Waxaw Association, um, the Yeah. Uh, UCPS, uh, all these outside agencies to form a committee. And so, um, I think that would be a great first step in getting involved in historic preservation because, um, is at a greater level than that of just wax all um, Janet that we essentially got a year for the 250 planning or or is it can you give me a small snapshot? Sure. Um, they actually started planning probably about 10 years ago at the federal level. Um and then about two years ago, the state started planning and asked for a uh county committee from each of the 100 counties. Um Union County has opted not to participate in that. So I felt that Waxaw should step in and have a committee. There was enough interest um and in local community groups uh to wondering why Union County wasn't proceeding. Um so I reached out to those people and said you know we can do something here in Waxaw. Uh so we will and um they plan on continuing it through past July 4th of 2026. I I think the federal level they want to go out to almost 2030 um just to and it doesn't just focus on the signing of the Declaration of Independence but that whole time period um the Revolutionary War and and it's um focusing on people and places. So you know not just the founders of the country but what was going on here

locally. Um so that's why we we are working with the Waxaw um the Museum of the Waxaws, the library, uh the schools, um and just several organizations. Uh the Waxaw community theater, uh Waxaw has a writer uh committee. Who knew? So uh they were interested too. Uh, so yeah, we have a probably 10 or 12 different organizations that'll be working with us. That's awesome. Well, uh, go ahead and I know I'm probably speaking before I get my blessings, but I'd like to figure out how I can help you. That sounds like something I would just truly enjoy. I love history. I love military history, and this area is so rich in um, colonial history to modern history. um and just what rich heritage uh can be brought and maybe um even some of our how to emphasize that and I'd like to loop back into u maybe another planning initiative how to better partner with our economic team um for and how we can better plan in preparation for the economic goals that we need. And so those are just a couple of things that I would love to see possibly discussed um from my point of view, but uh I'd like to raise my hand and uh help you however I could with the um celebration of 250 years of this great country. Yeah. And I'll I'll go with a a broad stroke for this. Um so maybe the goal would be uh greater coordination with the town of Waxaw uh advisory boards or other committees. Uh so for example our downtown Waxaw association they have uh

multiple committees. Uh they themselves have their own board. They have a design committee. They have a uh I think the promotions and economic vitality committee have been have been combined. Um, so that's a method that they use as a nonprofit for our downtown to further promote, uh, downtown as a regional destination. So, um, so again, broad strokes, right? So better coordination with town of Waxaw committees and advisory boards and that could be where you guys just uh sit in on other meetings or you um assign a planning board member to go to these other meetings because when I say we we're not we don't fall short of committees. I mean they're yeah um parks and recck has one. They have a public art committee. Um, so I think that would be a great goal to start coordinating that. Well, I'd love to work with you all uh and be happy to join. Uh, I would like to double check though because I know we're still waiting on our rules or procedures. Cindy, uh, and Barbie, you might have to follow back up with me. I during the review, I believe our current rules and procedures do preclude me from holding an additional uh, seat at as of right now. So, I couldn't sit on like a parks and recck seat. So, I might have to be going as you said as an appointee to sit with the committee from the on the planning, but I might want to double check that one if you would and maybe just loop back with me later. I believe I am per prohibited from holding in an additional advisory board seat like a parks and wreck or something like that. I'm not sure. Thank you for for checking that. Um, outside of that, I appreciate the discussion. I know I kind of uh Rick Chair, I apologize. I I thank you. I didn't see your hand. Oh, no. I just

put it up. Give me one second. Barbie, the current rules of procedure do not preclude you from serving on another board. Thank you for double checking. You're welcome, Rick. Thank you. First of all, I I I uh love the idea of um of uh partnering with the economic development um uh bodies. I'm not sure if they're committees or or um jurisdictions of different uh departments uh within staff, but I I think that's a great idea. I would really support um a strategic objective that uh looks for constructive ways to get involved with that. So, I I just second that. Um I um can you um remind me um uh in the coming year and this is a one-year horizon. Is that right? Uh the the strategic plan is a one year uh that you're looking for input on a one-year horizon or Yeah, this is typically well typically it's done January 2025 or each year in January. Um Right. So it would be just for a one year and then we re-evaluate it typically every year. So, um, when is the, uh, next cycle for the comprehensive plan update or the land use? Um, uh, yeah, it's typically every 3 to five years and we're about a year and a half into the adoption of our comp plan. Okay. So, probably not about another year. So, that's probably doesn't make the cut for for 2020 for the next year. probably not a big priority to to get ourselves um uh embedded in in that process yet. Um I'm just thinking out loud. Um, I would uh personally like uh to see um somehow uh uh a goal to um increase the way in which the

planning board um serves to gather and uh analyze and concentrate and apply feedback from the community. Um I know that's within our um remit um according to the rules of procedures that we conduct research that we are bringing that in. Um and right now I don't see a lot of places where that happens for us. So I'm wondering if that's um an area that um might be fleshed out in uh in the next 12 months. So just one thought. Yeah. So would you want to go out into the community to receive the feedback and then come back with a report to really I guess implement what the community is seeing? Like what like what what are you envisioning like more specifically? It sounds like you have a because planning and and zoning is is such a broad topic, right? So you could be getting feedback on a specific development, right? So that's one big key um factor of what you guys do. It could be anything for for zoning and future land use. It could be anything in coordination with the county and joint planning areas. It could be um yeah coordinating with engineering and traffic and you know other pedestrian improvements or like what you want downtown to look like. I mean it's yeah I think parks wrecks and trails and yeah all of that's good stuff. Um what I was really looking at is more of the infrastructure for for um being able to be sort of the opposite of a megaphone is, you know, a collector of of uh input um so that we can apply that um you know, improving knowledge about uh what the citizen concerns and priorities are um in our recommendations to the to the board of commissioners. and and maybe that's only done through our suggestions

as to how to change the land use plan and and comprehensive plan when that comes around every 5 years or maybe there's another way. Go ahead and looks like you've got a thought. I'm going to jump in here and I think I can address this in in a nutshell what Rick's trying to ask for. when we did our 2040 comp plan and we did several public input sessions and I I think he's just saying yeah um what is the mechanism to essentially maybe in advance or let's call it a public input memo um and not and not something as comprehensive as what we did in the past when gearing up for all those public input sessions in for the 2040 comp plan. So, he's wondering if there's a mechanism to make like an input memo for the planning board and being able to make sure that the public knows that we're open and engaged and we're hearing to and we're um willing to receive um any input to in the planning process. But I would also like to emphasize that too to anybody in the public that has any questions in the planning process. I know the us as the planning board, the board of commissioners, and I would like to thank the staff because they're always available if so if the public does have questions. I know staff and I'll even make myself available to help to the best of my ability um if they have questions out there in our long-term goals. But as you were trying to essentially be a receiver of input and then that's normally I believe the mechanism was done with essentially a a public input session where we put out our maps and and lay out hey where do you guys want trails? Where do you guys want this? Um Blair I remember being very active with Blair on something like that. The town actually does that at like kaleidoscope and some of it's the engineering u James Kelly's there and cancer wizard. He had a whole display at

the town booth and so that's done all throughout the year. Um treasures there's a lot of opportunity to engage with the public and everybody I say everybody a lot of people give their input to the safety concerns on the whether it's bikes, roads, whatever. Um so that there's a database there. I think you may be looking for access to that database or just knowledge that that database exists and then have access to it. Um, so I think the town does do a really good job of there's surveys that get sent out. There was a survey that was sent out or or um there's access to a survey uh that was at the town booth at the Kaleidoscope Festival. So stuff like that. there's there's uh data coming in. You just need access to that data is I don't want to speak for you. I'm asking the question, right? Um I like both of your ideas, neither of which was what I was trying to say. Um so I think those are in addition. Um I think what I'm fumbling around for is um how to make um where the planning board can add value um on behalf of citizens um for the board of commissioners. So, um if if our role is to be making recommendations to the board of commissioners with regard to the direction of development um ordinances and zoning and and um um uh and we're basing that um on being a little bit closer to citizen feedback than they might be. Um what are the mechanisms that we're building? What processes are we putting in place? Is it a memo? Maybe the memo that you described, Chairman Ferris, um kind of gets at that. Um and uh we would have to

develop our own internal process for how we come together and decide what goes into that memo. Um but um for the planning board to be able to um serve uh in a more explicit role um to connect citizen feedback and concerns um into the process that's downstream from us. Yeah. Well, I again I'm going to paint in a broad stroke here. Um, so it sounds like being a steward of the community by applying input or feedback from citizens to the function of the planning board which then in turn goes to the board of commissioner via recommendation or um or just an idea to to bring forward. Um because yeah because I kept hearing the public input and like when we have a something coming up that's what we utilize that for. So I think you're using that as an example as a tool of what we use to get feedback from the community. I think what again you can correct me if I'm wrong Rick here. Um, I think it's about you want to be a steward in the community to where you're actually getting ground level feedback and not just um, and I I'll be blunt with this too. When we have a development come in, we only hear the feedback of those immediately adjacent. We don't hear feedback from those who may live three miles away. So I think that's a great that that's a really great point. There's sort of a Forgive me. Yeah, go ahead. Forgive me for interrupting. I think he's kind of referring to like

an ETG or what is it the when you're getting input from your outer territories if Yeah. extraterrestrial jurisdiction or territorial whatever that acronym it boils down to. But terrestrial and so how do essentially and and forgive me just I'm I am just trying to sum this up here so we can keep going this evening. Um but it sounds like we need to hash this out a little more and in a in a more of a thoughtful way. Um, and so for the sake of time and timeliness, I'm going to jump in and say I think this is a great conversation. Sounds like he's referring to how to get our out of territory information accounted and waited. I I and I know that there is some processes again going back to those public input sessions. And so it sounds like we need a that's a longer form conversation. Let's pull off to the side. We'll talk to staff. But for this evening, I'd like, if you don't mind, I'd like to go ahead and keep moving forward and we'll we'll let's let's keep you and I talking on that. Um, with that though, does anybody else have any comments? The specifics and then do you have any other points outside of this one? I'm good. Thank you. Any my other planning members? Uh I would be interested in planning speaker series if somebody who like something similar to our scale of town and uh similar having similar growth issues or uh so I would be interested something like that. Okay. We had some kind of presentation I think year air year. Uh so I would be interested something. Gotcha. Yeah, that's something we can we can look into too because there's subject matic matter experts who work for other jurisdictions or have experience with small towns like us who are growing substantially and that gives

us like fresher ideas or some uh somebody already had solved some problems for us like so we can just get some information on that. Yeah. And I and I'll point out too um in this we have champions and I and I again was very broad with planning staff and planning board members. You guys are more than welcome to assign a specific planning board member to to spearhead something. Uh so for example, if if Trey Taylor likes reading state law, then Trey could be our legislative liaison for the planning board. Um, and if if Rick wants to work with community members to really disseminate accurate information or to really hear what the concern is, that could be Rick's role. And then if uh Daniel, you have something of interest that you're specific like uh you really like public art, so you want to join our public art committee, right? There there are things that each individual person could be be a champion. It doesn't have to be something that the whole board takes on. um because you guys are a working board. You are representative of the community. Um and you may hear things that we don't necessarily hear um either by conversations with with your neighbors or with your HOA or whoever it may be. Um so I want to just keep that in mind again as you're thinking of of ideas. We don't need anything super specific here. uh just in advance of the next planning board meeting for Daniel to be able to to go to the board of commissioners. Looking forward to y'all giving me some good stuff. With that, I'd like to go ahead and make a motion to adjourn this evening's uh work session and adjourn this me. Motion to adjurnn. Thank you. Without objection, all those in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi.