Village Board - Regular Meeting

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to get the meeting started at 6:30 for the village board meeting on February 26 of 2026. Uh if you could all stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Roll call. Stigler White here. Niles here. Adams here. Buckles here. Open meeting law compliance check verifying that the agenda is posted properly on or before 6:30 on the 25th.

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Very well. This is the citizens comments portion. So, uh, one by one, if you are interested in speaking under the public comment section, you can come up to the microphone. Uh, give us your name and address and then give us your comments. Hello, I'm Barb Oly. I live at South 31 West 255083 Green Valley Drive and I am the homeowner there and I'm here to discuss the Hemtt resurfacing. So, Hemmed Avenue was resurfaced in June to July of this past year. And I'm particularly concerned with the shoulder of the road. When they put in the shoulder, I was told that the uh material they used, which appears to be a mixture of some type of gravel with crushed asphalt, would pack down and would be perfect once uh winter was over. Well, it has not packed down. It is crumbling. It's uh becoming a hazard to everybody who drives by. I have um snow plows that have driven on the shoulder, cars that come around my corner because I'm on the corner of Green Valley and Hemet. And it's all crumbling. And it appears to me that it is eventually going to be all be in my grass. I'm not the only uh person on our street having this issue. The people next to me on HMIT, half of their shoulder is now in their front lawn. So my solution or ask of you is to send the road people back out to reassess the shoulder and possibly come up with a different material or some way to pack it down so it is going to stay there. Eventually your road is going to be exposed and not protected by that

shoulder. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

I also have a complaint. Ma'am, could could you give us your name and address for us, please?

I It's coming. My name is Selene Propes. I live on Hammond Avenue in the village of Wacaaw, and I have lived here for almost 33 years, and this is my first complaint. Last month, I wrote a letter. I delivered it here. I have not heard anything and was just wondering if it got lost in the mail. In the summer of 2025, Hammond Avenue was torn up and then new asphalt was added in front of my home. From the south end of my driveway to the end of my property, a large deposit of asphalt created a mound of loose asphalt. I went to the town hall and informed them that somebody would come and look at it. First time I wasn't home, got a call he would come again. He told me it would settle, have cars park on it. I don't have a used car lot. if you have any idea what how this would help. He said it would be better by spring. Well, with the plowing, it hasn't gotten any better. It's a mess all over the grass. I had problems in summer when the grass was being cut. Now, how much more difficult it will be to deal with now. If my husband was living, he would have raked the excess, smooth it out, and he was 82 years old. I don't know how old this employee was who didn't do anything. To add to injury, the backers a few houses down had the same problem and the village fixed it. I know it's the responsibility of the village to maintain the roads so people are safe.

This problem still exists and I want somebody who can help me, not making excuses. I don't want to fall because of mo no fault of my own. I'm independent and I want to remain so. Will any of you guys visit me in rehab if I fall? Thank you.

Thank you. Good evening. Sandy Ham, West 230 South, 3827 Milky Way Road. Um, I have a couple neighbor things to mention here. In fact, most of it's neighbor stuff one way or another. Um, I distributed a survey that I printed off from our neighbors in the town of Deloffield. I just printed that off of their website just for you to take a look at it. Um, I'm in favor of something like that being done here. Um, I've said before and one example would be the yard waste. I mean, you have no idea what someone's feelings are about it. Um, and I don't know that we have an idea about, you know, whether they want more roads or they want more fire department or I don't know. I only know the people I speak with and it's, you know, out of the whole group, it's a pretty small um, sambling. Um, I did get an email today. Well, I'm not sure where it was from, but it was purportedly from Sharon uh Karen Shu and um it was a uh scam email and I I heard the city also was having trouble with the same thing. I hope that we're not having that same problem. Be interesting. Um and then after the last meeting and and the um some of the comments um particularly on the time extension request from CH and I had said that it had started at 9:30 and now they want to get it up to 10:45 and but but what I was thinking about was the reason that they gave every time they had an incremental jump from the 9:30 till we got to 10:30 was because they needed they couldn't schedule necessarily. You know, you don't know if things are gonna going to run long. In fact, back at some point, there were rules in the plan of

operation or conditional use that said um you know, if it's such and such a time and they're not past the seventh inning or whatever it was, there were all kinds of crazy rules um that are no longer in effect. But in any case, I appreciated the response from the board. I thank the board for their all their decisions, but and and the one about well, it sounds more like a scheduling issue, which is what it w is because 10:45 only leads to 11. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Anyone else for public comments?

All right. Hearing none, we will move on. Uh reports, they're in the packet. Regarding the clerk, treasure, any comments or discussions? Hearing none. Same question for the public works section, fire department. I got a couple of questions. Okay. Uh first is it's uh it has to do with just definition. Um a life pack 35. What is that? That's later in the It's um Well, it's fire department.

Well, right, but it's part of the agenda later, so we'll discuss it at that time. You said you had a couple questions. Well, along those lines. Okay. But specific to that topic uh about Yes. what these things [clears throat] were. Yes. Okay. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that don't know what these things were. Yep. Which will be discussed under that agenda item. Wonderful. related to the monthly report though. Any questions or comments, concerns? I think the new model looks good. Yeah, that'll be nice to see. I think it'll be a little bit easier to read and keep track of. Very good.

Uh same for sheriff andor the compl non-compliance. We don't have any weed commissioner one this month. Okay, we'll move on then. Approval of the previous meeting minutes for January 22 of 2026. Any issues with it that you need to make? Um, did we fix it's not in this copyright? It's not in the copy. I did.

Okay. So, there was a amendment we noticed uh this week after this was posted online in the packet. Um under the attendance section u attorney Macy was not listed. So, that has been corrected in the official copy, but we'll just need to make a a notation of that for the motion. All right. Okay. Motion to approve the previous meeting of January 22nd, 2026 and add the of the attorney being I'll second that. All right. Uh all those in favor of approving the minutes with the addition of uh the attendance issue that was discussed say I. I. I.

Anyone opposed? Motion carries. Discussion of possible action items. Up first is an operator's license request for Alexander Roxfeld or Roxel. Chris, you want to give anything?

Uh I did do a background check. There was no records found. Um, he did not list a current address because he's um hasn't lived anywhere in an extended period of time. When he gave me his driver's license, it had a uh out of Wakasha County address on it, but otherwise he has no issues. You have a means to get a hold of him to to get this to him if yep I do. I have a current phone number and then he can provide us a proper address at that time. Yes. Okay.

Okay. Gentlemen, I'll make a motion to approve the license. Okay. I'll second it. Any discussion? All right. All those in favor of approving the license request for Alexander Roxfeld. Say I. I. I. I will abstain. Okay. Any opposed? [clears throat]

So 301. All right. Moving on. Modification to the existing wireless telecommunication facility on the property located at South 52 West 24084 Glendel Road for Insight. uh Verizon Wireless to remove all existing radios and all of Verizon's existing antennas and replace with three new radios and nine new antennas and ancillary equipment cabling to the existing tower that's in your packet. Gentlemen, is that what one of you is here for?

No. Okay. The planner has reviewed has determined that in his opinion it's a minor modification. We need the board to make that determination. Also, if it's a substantial modification or a new tower, they have to go through the whole process. determination that it's a minor modification. They just need to get a building. That's what this is. [snorts]

All right. I'll make a motion to approve the modification request um for the tower as noted in the agenda and in the packet. Uh adopting the staff's recommendations in the packet. I'll second it. All right. Any discussion? All right. Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. I.

Anyone opposed? Okay. That's good. Authorizing [snorts] going out to bids for crack fill for 2026 on the road projects. It's in your packet as well if you got a chance to look at that. Um, switch the pages. It's pretty standard. It's what we do every year. The crack fill shows um it's labeled as page one of two for exhibit C, but that gives you the list of roads that are intended to go out to have the work performed on them.

I make a motion that we authorize the crack filling for the roads to go out for bids for 26. I'll second it. Okay. Uh motion's been seconded. Uh do you as it's in the packet, do you want any of the alternate bids added as well because there's a second page for that or just off of the full project? When when the contractor fills it out, he will break it down alternate. Okay. We'll do both. We'll present both. Okay. So, we have a choice when you

got it. Disregard my comments on any discussion beyond what I asked and rescended. This is the identical contract that we had for uh for our our road projects last year in 2025. Correct. Yes. And the year before and the year before. Okay. Dates and roads changed. Yep. [snorts] Very good. So, there's no other discussion. All those in favor of approving the crack filling uh of the roads for 2026 to go out to bid say I. I. Anyone opposed?

That carries. Same topic under letter D but for flex patching [snorts] which switching pages here. There just the one road that they're looking at doing. So it's going to be pretty [clears throat] small project. Just Weber Drive. I'll make a motion that we allow the bids to go out for flex patching. Okay. As presented. I'll second that. All right. Ste motion and seconded. Any discussion? [snorts] All those in favor of approving the flex patch bid to go out say I.

I. Any opposed? That carries. All right. Moving on. Uh up next is the purchase of the Life Pack 35 and LifePack cellular modem. Uh chief can come up too if he wants to discuss, but I'll just give you a quick synopsis and he can fill in beyond that. Uh this is the monitor that the paramedics use on the ambulance. Uh they can obtain heart rhythms. Uh it's an AED pack as well and it's all of that type of stuff related to heart monitoring.

Yeah, absolutely correct. It's for our [clears throat] BLS and ALS providers. uh BLS uh uses are uh your your baseline set of vitals, blood pressure, uh SPO2, um heart rate and then as far as like the ALS providers concerned, uh they use it for cardiac monitoring. So 12 leads so they can read a significant amount of different rhythms. Uh so we can treat that accordingly. It can also pace, which is a life-saving method to increase someone's heart rate. And it can also be used to defibrillate somebody that's in a rhythm to try to revive them. And those pads can also be used to sustain if there was a very if it was elevated tacocartic or increased heart rhythm. We can hopefully shock them out of that back into a normal rhythm. So, it's basically bringing the ER to your front stoop uh of what the capabilities are in that. Uh the rule of thumb there or the standard in the industry is that machine because it's such a life-saving model and machine that we use in prehosp is about every seven years you want to traditionally spec out to replace that unit. So this will be one for our our newer med unit and then obviously later on it'll be a request for another for another for the other uh med unit or ambulance

existing are 10 years old 11 11 11 to 12. Yeah. So, we've hit that life cycle on these that um we're beyond like repairing and all that. They're end of life. Correct. According Yeah. According to the vendor, some of the capabilities they don't make to replace anymore. So, then we would just be without at this point. So,

G's done quite a bit of work on this with the vendor. Um looked at another option for a different competitor to this. This is between those two the best option we've got. Plus, they're giving us a pretty pretty good trade in value on the old units that um that were turning back in then with us. So, yeah, we we negotiated a very good trade in uh value and we negotiated the standard of when you purchase a unit like this is a one-year um if anything goes wrong, they take care of it, which being they being the vendor. We negotiated a seven-year deal with this. That's actually very impressive. Um, I did uh send this over. We we requested that uh John take a look at the terms and conditions of this prior to the meeting trying to get all that worked out so that we could just move forward after tonight. Did did you get anywhere with that

uh with the life pack with with the company as far with what we talked about on Tuesday? Yeah, that was Yeah, for the CAD upgrade. Oh, I'm sorry. That's for that. Yeah, that's Yeah, disregard. Yep. too many things on the list. Sorry, strike what I just said. Um, okay. I will make a motion that we approve the purchase of the life pack 35. I'll second it. Any discussion? I just have a question. When do you think you'd want the second one for the nut? What's your time frame? Just I'm just curiosity.

Yeah. If if we can if we can get the sooner the better. Uh our new med unit is coming in May. Uh it might be wishful thinking to get something around that time. We may need to budget for that for next year which obviously we would you know bring up at that time. But uh if there would be any available funds I'd be more than happy to discuss maybe trying to allocate those for another one. So that one when we when I when I say that one when the med unit gets here in May that we could do use that same trade in value. And the second one I was assured will be cheaper because we're already purchasing like the battery pack with this purchase that we're talking about tonight. So the next one would actually be cheaper too in in cost. I don't know what that exact number is, but I was told relatively cheaper. So

we had we had planned just to that question. We had planned in the budget to buy one this year with the anticipation of to the cheese point if we can find a way this year we still will for the second. Otherwise we'll plan for next year. One thing I just, you know, being two ambulances have two different devices on two different tables, it be nice to have both of the same so when they go out they got the same. Absolutely. Yes. 100% agree with that. Just a lot of money we got to find. Just got to find the cash. Yeah. We start digging them out. Yep. So before these we get the new one then. Right now currently we have two identical items on the two ambulances.

We do the same model. Yep. On each on each ambulance. No, one will be a trade end. So, we'll have the new one that we're talking about and then an older model again at that excuse me 11year-old mark. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor of approving the life pack 35 and the modem to go with say I. I. I. Anyone opposed? That carries. Up next, uh the ALS intercept agreement between the village of Vernon and the village of Wauaaw. Uh that's in your packet. Um this was already something that's in place back 17 17

if I recall correctly is when the two villages actually towns at the time would have been um had put this together.

There's been discussions between the fire chiefs of getting some updates to it. Um there had been previously agreements that there would be a lot of sharing of services between our ladder truck that Vernon does not have one of and then u they would provide medical assistance when we need it on our end. Uh and so it's just it's kind of balancing out that um they're they're being used more than what our equipment is being used down there. And so what they're requesting of us is that uh to start recouping some of their costs for their paramedics coming into the village here to assist us that on paramedic uh runs that we would be um giving them a portion of the fees related to those to the amount of $450. Correct.

Uh and that's specifically when their medic is on board and going to the hospital if they would transport themselves. um say we have a a crash with multiple patients and their rig shows up, they would just direct bill for that patient because that's now their patient. Uh but specifically if it's a village of Walker patient where we transport and their medic comes with us, then that's where the the fee would come in to be able to recoup their uh consumable cost and such that that's related to that. So that's been uh built into this uh the copy that you had in the packet. We did make a few changes that were slight to this. There was a couple of phrasings as far as like um some spots put like Vernon fire department, some spots say Vernon FD. So we just made a small few clerical type changes that way that wasn't really substance but more wording. Um and then there is one item that we added at the end specific to um Did you print off?

I did not.

Yeah. So your copy in the packet ends at 12. Uh 13 is um that the there's a small paragraph added that basically allows this to be a an agreement that can be severed by either either party, either village. Uh that's normal standard language that just wasn't in this that we've added to it. Uh and then there's a line 14 added just giving an effective date to this when it uh when it becomes effective once it's signed by everybody. Otherwise, the packet or the copy in the packet you see besides those two points at the end is the same. There's a couple little other name change things like number eight, you got town of Vernon in there. It should be village.

Yeah, that's that's been changed. Okay. Yeah, that's also I didn't cite all of them, but that was the little things that we corrected. So, everybody Okay. Yeah. Yep. Those have been addressed. Attorney look over Yes.

Yep. some of the things that we we changed here as far as like adding the the seance clause in the end and stuff like that was things that that he brought to our attention. I just want to make a note that I you know you know that again we share a letter and respond back to help us out. I just want to clarify that's good to be that. Absolutely. Thank you.

All right. I'll make a motion to approve um the ALS agreement between the village of Vernon and village of Walkershaw with the changes noted verbally to you tonight. I'll second All right, other discussion. It will still have to go to Vernon for them to approve of their board as well, just so that you know. No other discussion. All right. All those in favor of approving the agreement between us and Vernon say I. I.

Anyone opposed? That carries. Chief, get tired. Stand up here. If you want to sit down, you can. You sure? The next you want to be here a while, but please [laughter] either way do what you want. Um, up next is the proposal for the computer aided dispatch upgrade for the fire department. You can talk about that if you want.

Sure. Uh, this is a uh we have an existing CAD already capabilities. Uh, we have a more or less a free system through the state. It's called image trend that we use for EMS reporting in the field. It's called the field bridge. Uh what I'm requesting is there's an additive to that which is a common practice in in in the in the fire service or in EMS and in general uh that it automatically dumps impertinent information into our system with a like a upload button if you will like if you were to upload your tablets with a program and with that it it dump kind of dumps in what we're being responded to in our report. It also integrates uh all of our CAD information, so what we're getting from dispatch. It auto populates where we're going. So the addresses and such. Um what with the zones and everything would be autofilled in there for us and along with times which is pretty important. Sometimes you can use those times more or less for not only just on scene like oh we were on scene and we did that blood pressure oh that was only two minutes ago. It gives you a guide uh within our system. So in essence, if we have a repeat patient, which we can upload that um because that that's stored for about six months and along with this CAD integration, we could have more or less 85 to 90% of our report done by the time we walk into the door. And so all that focus is on patient care and treatment. So that that's what I really like about it and enjoy about it. We're not going to be asking for licenses and trying to copy down uh addresses. it's going to autoop populate for us which is really a benefit to our providers out there in the field.

Okay, this is the terms of service I was starting to talk about before. Uh it's like one paragraph within the contract, but there's a link to a website that is 50 plus pages of terms of service. Um that is quite extensive. Obviously, when it becomes 50 plus pages, uh the attorneys reviewed that and there are some concerns related to the language that's within that. And so that's what we asked uh the chief earlier this week to try and resolve for us. Is that

Yeah, there was some back and forth. I submitted the request to them to review uh and then we got on the phone a three-way call and some of the um things the attorney came up with was, you know, is this enough time for you? I'm like, yeah, that's pretty a lot of it was, you know, kind of standard for um I guess programs in general like that. And I was I was comfortable with that going back and forth. And then they did go ahead and change some or modify or change, however you want to approach that, some of the suggestions that uh they I think today sent me a copy of some of those updates. So I can send that over right away to you. Not everything on there was changed. I I I know that, but there were some they were willing to, you know, go back and she cons she consulted their legal on their end and then came back with a I know with uh a few modifications to what was suggested on that form or on that

your three-way call was were you in that? No, no. Uh three-way with it was uh the person that deals with the contracts over there and then the uh finance. It was us three on the phone together kind of going through those bullet points. Are are they going to if they're modifying that because obviously there's a website link. So is that going to be added to the actual contract itself that we're signing then? Yeah, it looked like it was kind of like an addendum. When I saw the first page, they kind of highlighted what they changed for us to view like very easily on the billing on the billing form, I believe. So like before we sign it'll be kind of outlined in that first form. Okay. Yeah. and I can send that over. All right. Uh based Anything else you want to add?

No. Nope. Okay. So, I'll make a motion that we approve um the CAD upgrade that's been discussed thus far with um the requirement that we satisfy the legal concerns related to the term and conditions u that's been raised by the attorney and we'll resolve that satisfaction. So, Some of them are, you know, they're not going to fix that. May not be significant, right? So, I think we have to have one person sign off on Yep. So, that's the motion. I'll second.

All right. Any discussion, questions? Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor of approving the CAT upgrade as discussed say I. I. I. Anyone opposed? That carries. Up next, uh, one of the projects we've been working on, chief and I, since last year, the, uh, upgrade of a, a new truck to replace squad 16. Yeah. Um, squad 76. 76,

which is the big box truck that's typically has been a command vehicle in the past. Correct. Correct. Yeah. 1995. Yeah,

it's been on our annual list of need to address uh for as long as I've been in these meetings for the last several years. Um the chief and chiefs before him had been discussing in the years past of downsizing from this large vehicle that we have down to a a pickup truck size type vehicle with that being um upfitted like uh that's in your packet here. So, this is a F350 crew cab um with a what would be a normal standard type cap on the back with a pull out tray in the bed to put all the equipment on that can so you're not having to like crawl up inside the bed of the vehicle. It slides out on a heavy duty tray. That's uh pretty common in these types of vehicles I've seen. Um so that's the layout for it with the cost that's here. this cost is pretty well under what we had budgeted for for the year for the the project. Um, we did do some price comparisons just to make sure we weren't missing something that way. We looked at two different dealerships for the F350 and I also got a a price for a Chevy 3500 to be a comparison that way as well from a different manufacturer. um this was the best option as far as what's in the packet from that perspective for the price of the vehicle itself. We did get two price quotes on the upfitting u with emergency lighting and then also 1033 services. It's a different vendor that does all that where they they add the lights and stuff to the vehicle itself. And uh so what's in front of you is the the best price package for those different portions of the project. I got a question. Go ahead.

So, in layman terms here, Yeah. and I've not been in a I'm not a fireman. This is essentially a command center on wheels. A complete command center. Is that correct?

Yeah. It's a very versatile piece of equipment that I feel would be just in line with our versatile fire department. And what I mean by that is um you know sometimes staffing you know es and flows sometimes depending on the day sometimes depending on you know the crew with drivers and such and so if an engine can't get on a road let's say for a vehicle accident uh this could easily be pulled by any member and um we already have a a Ford F 350 for our brush rig so it's very consistent for driving which is nice a nice feature but this will be set up for if we go to that vehicle accident for an example uh we'll be able to place oil dry, sweep it up. I'm also going to put something called a combi tool on there which is can cut and spread a door apart. Most of our people that are entrapped in a vehicle, a door pop is sufficient to get them out so we can treat them. This will have that capability on there. Uh it'll also be set up for a command vehicle so you can run a fire with this vehicle. It'll also be set up for uh first response as a ALS provider or BLS for that matter. going to someone's house will be we call it a jump bag that has you know your first line of things you would do on a scene on an EMS call and then also have a SCBA pack outfitted in there where someone could put their gear and a SABA bottle in there so they can easily get in and go to work at a fire. So in essence this is a very unique piece of equipment that kind of offers a multitude of different things that we can use it for. that also have towing capacity. Uh, which I liked about this was our brush truck is the only um vehicle in our fleet that can tow our trailer, which is a a brush fire trailer, if you will, with ATV in it. Um, this will offer if that brush if it's in service, our brush can take off and go fight a wildland fire. Meanwhile, this could come around back up, hook up the trailer, and go. So, the fires fight, if you will, is already started. And then we kind of bring the calvary with this. And if not, if something's

out of service, again, it's nice to have a multitude of options to continue to not really miss a beat with our responses. So, it offers a multitude of different things. The vehicle that we be phasing out carries some or a bunch of the equipment that he's referenced, correct? Correct. Um, but it's pretty limited on the versatility of the things that that the chief's brought up. So, um, this can go off-road, it can pull, it can do all the different stuff. And it's I guess Roger to your question. It's kind of like a Swiss Army knife of sorts. It's got kind of all the above on it. Absolutely.

From that perspective, we did um look at a variation to the project versus a regular standard truck bed on the back with the pullout tray. We looked at like the contractor style back end that's got the side doors on it like a fire engine would normally have. Um that was considered that would be more expensive than this. Uh, and there was just some benefits from this perspective that u if there's questions on the chief can talk about, but that's where we ultimately plan it back on on this that's in front of you. You made mention of the fact that you have an oversized truck right now that you're kind of making work because well it's 20 21 years old.

It in to be perfectly honest it it works but we've had some issues. Okay. Now this in no way is this is completely different from a uh truck that you would use for your use as far as getting to the fire and all that is concerned.

Correct. In an operational sense, yes. With this with this purchase, you know, the old one really can't take command of a fire, nor would you want it to. You can't back that into someone's side drive. And it it's it's not unique in that sense. This one is. This has a lot of the capabilities that we could use it for again a multitude of different things. Uh village president made a really good point too. You know, we do have a lot of farming in the village and we go to farming accidents. We we would struggle to get something out there to help when it comes to the generic term is jaws of life. Um this being off-road can get there and then we can go to work. track that we have now is going to be a trade in thing or how that works.

Yeah, I I guess I guess kind of how we approached the ambulances last year or ambulance last year. Um I think I guess my take would be some kind of auction. Yeah, we'll have to bring that back once it's out of service. I just want to see what you mean that was your plan.

It was. Yeah, I would I would say that one would be kind of lining up with if we do get our new ambulance in May. putting putting the old ambulance and then the squad together for some kind of an auction. Other comments, questions, motions. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the u the project as discussed here within the packet for the purchase of the F350 uh crew cab um with upfitting and signs and lines you know for the decaling and such that's in the packet.

I'll second the motion. [clears throat] Any other discussion? I did have one question. Yeah, go ahead. Uh where in this estimate does it show the cap truck cap? It's built into the Ford portions price because Ford doesn't sell caps. No, it's they're just like how you can buy one from Ford from the dealership. They're outfitting that as as part of the package.

The the tray and the cap are part of that. Correct. Yeah. And the cap and it'll be it's a hard cap that has the flip up doors, not the sliding ones because those kind of get gummed up over time, the flip up doors, which are real nice. And then in the we're getting power ran to those side slots where we can have a a bank or a gang charger of batteries, extra radios. My vision is put extra NOMX hoods, gloves, different size mass. If someone shows up from home, oh, I forgot something like they're not out of the game, we can grab them something. We'll worry about the other thing later. So, it's a nice storage feature for that will have power in it. So, we can use it for certain things like that, like seal meter, things like that.

Yeah, I guess I don't see the tray either in there. None of that stuff's in that package. What package is it in? Can I say it's in the off-road package and the I don't see any of it. It was all-encompassing. I know that. I would have to I'm not sure what you're looking at. I unfortunately I'm sorry I don't have that. So what's in it in front of me? Do you have a paper copy? There's a paper copy of what's in the packet. That's what you had forwarded over to the clerks. [clears throat]

I mean, if it is, it is. But you know, it's a good question. It would be definitely a lot nicer to see it written out so we know what we're getting. [clears throat]

Just wanted to come back down the line later on and say, "Huh, no, that wasn't included." Yeah. I think from the emails that she's forwarded on it, it's included because we had questions when I was getting the Chevy's version pricing wise, there was questions on if it was a full like 100% pull out versus 75 or 50% for the the distance of the tray and such. Yeah. And and then questions related if it's fiberglasses or aluminum for the top and stuff like that. Yeah, there was a lot of back and forth. So I sorry.

So I I know it's included. I know that that is part of the package. I know that's just a verbal commitment, but um I would have to look at the paperwork again, making sure that it's all in there, but I know that was discussed in depth just to make sure we're grabbing in, you know, the right equipment for the need. And so I know that has been um discussed actually quite a bit about um you know, certain aspects of it. That's fine. And I just want to make sure it's in the in the final draft that I want to see it. I I I want it in writing all the way through. You want to see that?

Approval subject to whatever you want. Yeah, I'll I made the motion. So, I'll modify the motion to include the um the final. Do you want to see it? I don't have to see it. No, I just want to make sure that everything's listed cuz right here, this is pretty bag. We have right in our hand. Yep. So, I'll modify the motion to include that we have um the cap and the tray listed in the final invoice or the I would say we should have a regular spec of the whole thing of of what's included with it, right?

Just like you're ordering out a new vehicle. I think we should have everything that's on it. So, I will modify that that's included in it. Just like you're ordering an engine or something, you you list what you want on it and it should be itemized so we know what we're getting. Absolutely. Yeah. Let me go uh back in the emails back and forth. I'll make sure that it's in there. I just don't want to come back to bite us in the Yep. Yep. backside later on. Sure. That's all I have. Okay. So, I've modified that. Roger, are you good with that modification? I'm good with it. Yes. All right. Any other discussion?

Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor of approving the U F350 purchase as we've discussed say I. I. I. My copy. Anyone opposed? All right, that carries.

Up next, uh, consideration of remodeling the schemes. um possible referendum for the fire department project. Um I'll start off with since the last meeting where cost estimates were presented. There was further discussion on the cost estimates, discussion on the referendum uh terms and things of that sort. If you recall, um what we talked about at the time was our feelings on all the above and then um more or less I said let's not make any decisions at the time and let's bring it back to everybody with some further consideration. Um in the meantime, uh I think it was the next day or two days later after that meeting, I met with the two fire chiefs, uh Joel and Andy. Uh we discussed the project between the two schemes that we've had that we did the estimations on. We had feel like it was an hour and a half almost maybe two-hour discussion on all of the things related to the project from from different perspectives. what I asked for them to do uh because I had, if you recalled, just very loosely went did some generic research the night before our meeting and I threw out a a very generic number of $400,000 towards furnishings and things of that sort. What I asked um the chiefs to do is because we went room by room across the the drawing on the wall over here to our right um and kind of discussed of like what we would need to buy for that room, asked them to take that discussion and and put it on a paper with not so generic of numbers as I had just loosely said, but actually going out and finding items that would be of good quality um and um and tell us what that would

I handed out a packet tonight to you folks uh to to trustees. The back page should be the list that the chief provided to me. Um he rounded it up if you look at the bottom line just saying there might be more. We're not sure of whatever. Uh to to being like $200,000 for that for the different items. That includes everything you can see there when when they went out went to the stores looking for beds looking uh for the appliances and everything else. That would be portions of the furnishings from that perspective because if you remember from the price estimation uh that was an additional cost beyond what was in the estimate. So the the staple packet I put in front of you tonight includes that at the back. I put in scheme B in there with the discussions with the chiefs. Uh, and then I had one of you also request a consideration to scheme B. There's a few things in the scheme B that would be obviously negotiable. Anything in there is negotiable as far as what we do because we still have to design it beyond the um generic uh floor plan that that we had gone off of for all this. So, the front page of that packet that I put together and handed out, uh, you can see that Scheme B's total was 3.8 million and change in order to to redo the parking in front of the garage doors or garage bays. There's 163,000 for the asphalt work on that. That was figured in by Greg on the engineering side. uh I re labeled it as design fees but you know the soft cost related to all that work that has to be in addition which um from the discussions we've had on the design side over the last two years from the fisers and others that's about 10% of the building cost so if you

look at the numbers it's 10% of the topline and then I round it up further just because uh to make sure that we're not way underestimating on some of these things and and added another 50,000 to the furnishings from what the chief had in that back page I put in the packet for you. All combined, you can see the total number is just under 4.6 million for that. If you look at um and I put in a copy of scheme B uh again because I don't know if you guys would bring those with you again or not from the last meeting. Um but scheme B had a couple different things in there. Actually both sche uh B and C's cost estimations have the same things in them. If you look at what's in there for the the paper copy I put with you line 21 is a generator. It was labeled as $250,000 for that. That was when they estimated and put that in there that the intention for that was to be a buildingwide generator for the entire building. Um so the clerks, you know, if there was a power outage, the clerks could still be sitting out there dusting what they need to do and the fire chief can get his crew out doing what they need to do. Um that's well above what we had originally discussed for that project when we bid it out and didn't get any bids on it because we were thinking it was 100 to 140 range. Um so the question is do we remove that? Do we make it so it's a generator that gets the doors open and keeps the lights on so that when there's an emergency, they can go out and do what they need to do, but we don't need to to power the entire building in those short-terms were out of power. Uh so that's why that's a line that's in there. So if that was being to be removed or downsized um for consideration, the other one that's in

there is line 363 just as a reference to find it easily for you in the packet. That's the roof. Um, if you look at that line in the estimation, it was 300 over $300,000 to um add into the fire department build re-roofing this entire building, not just the additions and the things that we're doing on that part, but to redo the whole entire roof. Assuming half of the building is under the fire department. That's where on the paper I, you know, I just hand drew all the numbers for you. If we did half of the building, which is the fire department side, that's where the 157,000 number comes. If you So, if you delete the half of the building being that we remodel or re-roof the clerk side of the building, um that gets us down to just under 4.2 2 million as I took the generator and then half of the roof cost off of the initial cost estimation that's above. The next line down on that sheet is the borrowing limit under current equalized value of the village and with how the referendum language is set it's 0.25%. So it's a quarter of a percent of the equalized value is our borrowing limit that uh would trigger the need or requirement for referendum which is that number that's listed there 4 point just under 4.5 million which we talked about in the previous meetings. I also talked again with uh Connor uh Fiser. I had a couple questions. one because I had heard through uh the grapevine of sorts that um somebody had reached out and I had talked to him about this and um that some of those numbers seemed like

they might have been increased to be increased to make sure that we weren't underestimated. So in the discussion he and I had on this specific to the question um the belief is that for lack of a better way to say it the numbers are probably padded a little bit in the overall estimation that's that's in the packet that that they gave us for both schemes. Um we also discussed then as if you remember in the previous like when we met with the different design firms that came in where we ultimately chose Fischer's firm one of the things that was discussed back then and it's been brought up in workshops um one of the methods of of building a building like this is we can set what the budget is when it gets to the design phase and then they design and build the building based on that budget. not the other way around where we tell them exactly what we want and then we find out what the you know what the dollar amount is after the fact. So with the potential that the number is quote unquote padded a little bit and then um with the ability to potentially limit some of that by saying we're going to you know change I don't know the siding type or whatever it is you know within the design phase of this uh to find a couple places to to cut a few We could do something like give a budget of $4 million like I put on there so that we're well under the referendum threshold uh because if we're going through the design phase and we get anywhere near that number and we go to bid on this uh and the bid comes up higher than the borrowing limit, we have to stop. We have to go to referendum. We have to get that to pass and then we go back and probably have to bid it again because that's likely six

to 10 months later. Um, and then build after all of that. So, I put this in front of you as as something to consider because I've been requested to. So, that's why I laid it out the way that I did uh by a few different people, including one on the board uh who approached me on this. Um, and so that's why that's in front of you the way that it is. [snorts]

If you are not interested in this because of how we left the the last meeting's discussion on it, then we need to, I guess, consider the terms of what the referendum would be. Um, are we going to ask for a dollar amount? Are we going to set uh specific project as the one we're going with? Is it B, C, or I'll say D, which is a whole new building because Steve brought that up at the last meeting. Um, and then we have to take it from there. So, referendum wise, if that's where we're going, uh, which is perfectly fine if that's what we're doing. I'm I'm not at this point advocating and pushing for one or the other because we've clearly had a lot of back and forth and difference of opinions and some of our opinions change from each one of us, meeting to meeting at times, myself included on some of these. Um, we have basically until I'd say we really need to short up the referendum part by midsummer. The deadline that we would need to have is August and I won't be anywhere near that with trying to argue with each other as far as the language of what the question is for the referendum and things of that sort. So, um, if we're going to go to referendum, then we don't need to do that tonight, but I think it's good to discuss again because as and I already intended to do this too, I know you mentioned at the last meeting, wanted to discuss it tonight, but this was already in the works to be presented. Anyways, um, the last thing I'll give to you before I I guess open up for discussion again, there was another sheet that I put loose after that just I threw together really quick before the meeting started tonight, so I made a copy. um with the assumption off of the packet I presented to you guys of a $4 million build uh with a calculator I have when it comes to figuring out uh the costs to

these uh we're going to to build in a mill rate essentially a $4 million build uh with a assumed term of 4.5% with a learn a loan term of 20 years the mill rate would be 17 roughly 17 cents per thousand. So the sheet I put in front of you would be uh what a potential amount assuming it's 20 years at four and a half percent for four million. Uh what would be the additional property tax to each property based on those values that are on there? You know $300,000 house, $500,000 house, a million a quarter.

Can I make a point here? So, um, so that's why I just threw that together because that's something to discuss to discuss. Um, when we're talking about all these numbers. So, Roger, go ahead. I think you made one. You forgot one point here. These figures are per year. These are not per month. These are per year. That means for $51.36 for a $300,000 home, you're talking about just north of $4.50 a month. And even where you get into $750,000 uh home, you've got this whole thing will amount to 12839 per year. That's 10 bucks a month, folks. So, I'm, you know, as far as uh the cost of this, as far as putting it out on referendum, um I don't have a problem with, as as uh Chad said, I I don't have a problem with it. Um it What I see is a very affordable circumstance that we can get to and lucky to get to something like this because it's been 13 years since we've been trying to get something to go trying to get this together so that we are and become competitive from a response time with the other departments, fire departments and and uh emergency departments in the county. We're at second from the last right now. We need something better. And we've got 40% of our 30 to 40% of our constituency over the age of 60 to 65. This is a very affordable program, but maybe we don't even need to go to that.

So, I I appreciate the comments. I'm going to ask just because as I've done in the previous meetings, let's you said what you said, but let's shy away from getting into the response times and all the rest of that stuff. Let's just stay focused on the building. We've gone over the rest of that so many times that it we I blew in the face essentially of of having those discussions. So, I I you know, I I beg to differ. I beg you to differ. And can I do that? response times are the most important thing as far as what I'm looking at right here. And that's what I got into this board for. So, not saying anything.

I'm not discounting that, Roger. My point is we've hashed that out every single time we talk about this. We don't need to continue to talking about that. Well, I think at this point, we need to decide what we're doing. Okay. I and and every time we talk about response times and and comparing them to the rest of the county and all the rest of the stuff is just more time we're sitting here talking about the same thing every time. So my request is we acknowledge those. We call it a stipulation of sorts. We don't need to keep rehashing that at this moment. When it comes to arguing to the residents that we need to do this, those are then valid talking points again. Not that they're not now, but we've already talked about them so many times. Let's talk about the building. Fair enough. [snorts]

So sure look like you want to Sure. I'll get my two cents worth. One, I'd like to have the chief's input on this the scheme of he seems if this is acceptable for [snorts] his department to run the way it is on these new schemes. I'd like to hear his opinion on that for sure. [clears throat] The second one is that line 21 on the U generator. I think in the past we've talked about the DBW building maybe on a generator, the fire department on a generator, maybe the the office staff on a separate generator, three separate generators eventually down the road instead of one big one like you discussed before, Chad. Yeah.

And I think we got to uh decide if the department wants a generator or if they don't. So the public works project, the plan is that that's going to have its own. Yep. The plan with this when we talked about it was that the [snorts] fire department would have one because they need to be open their doors. Yep. when there's a tornado or some whatever that require that loses power to the building, they need to be able to get out and go to the calls. So, yeah, we we don't need it to be for all the above. They priced it to be for all the above. Yep. I I see that. Yep. I just wanted to see if we if we included in scheme B in any part of the generator and scheme B.

And when you're done, we will certainly bring the chief up. I I'll say he's one of them that requested I bring this the way that I did. Okay. Well, I I'm You did some great homework. Trust me, these are some good numbers. We actually got some numbers that we'd actually see and uh to add or subtract. What do we want to do on this? And one stay underneath the referendum if we want to. Well, go to referendum. It's great numbers. Bottom line, whoever did the homework did a great job. End the story of that. The referendum. Uh you you talked about the design phase. That's huge to me. Um if we can stay just underneath that and not go to referendum and it's agreeable for the fire chief that he that's what he wants um that may be the possibility that we go the direction we we had but I like to hear that from the chief before I make my decision.

Sure. And and I'm not presenting this like we have to make the decision tonight too because Bob's not here either.

No, I just wanted to get all the options are out there. There's only scheme B right now. Yep. Ste go ahead. I feel [snorts] like you got something. All right. It's [clears throat] It's my gutfelt feeling that we're going to be going to referendum no matter what we do. I I think these I think these prices are going to come out where we're going to have to go to referendum. And I believe it's the taxpayers and residents responsibility and decision to decide what we going to do. And I I totally agree with that. And I've always said that it's up to the taxpayers. I mean, they gota it's their money. Do what's right. Do in what's in in in good faith for the fire department in longevity. I mean, once we build a building, it's going to be your last building, whatever it is, whether you add on or whether you build something new. Um, but it's my gut feeling that we're going to go to referendum no matter what we do with between the two buildings. It's my suggestion. I'm going to make a motion. I make a motion that we go out for estimates on the the brand new fire station that we have proposed and get some estimated bids and include it on a referendum and either ahead of time have some kind of a meet and greet with the residents and taxpayers of the village or let the referendum decide.

Okay. Okay. So, you've made a motion to get cost estimation on a new fire station. Correct. Which one? Out on a whole new building. On a whole new building. Okay. Which one? Because we've had several things presented over the years. Uh I guess we'd have to decide which one it is, but I I would say the one that Fisher Fisher Ty designed was probably going to meet our expectations and our needs without being a a Taj Mahal. Okay. So that would have been

So that would have been presented in the large packet from February of February of 25. Correct. Okay. All right. And so the motion is to use I think the one that was presented by Angus Young was pretty much blown out of proportion. Okay. I think 14,000 square feet versus [snorts] 22,000 square feet is a is a big difference if I remember correctly. Okay. Yeah, it sounds roughly accurate. I'd have to find I think the PR is worth 10,000.

Yeah. We we'll go with the schematic that looks similar to those based off your motion that's from the February 2025 packet because that's the last full fire department floor plan of sorts that was has been presented. So, okay. So, your motion is to get a cost estimation um for that schematic for the full brand new fire station. Is there a second? Brand new fire station. Correct. Is there a second to that motion?

Okay. Nope. I guess I would like to have the chief still put his input. That would make help me make my decision what [clears throat] what he really really needs here. I guess that's where I'm at. That's why I really have a hard time to second or not second this motion. Okay, this point that's fine. Ask is not on the table until there's a second, right? You're not supposed to discuss it if people aren't. I make a second so we can discuss it.

So I want to make sure the motion is very clear. There's no changes to the proposal. The proposal that will go out to bid is the one that was submitted. You stated it two or three times. I just want to make sure no one comes back next month and says the bathroom's too small. This is the wrong toilet. This is the wrong sink. It's going to an estimate exactly the way it was laid out. If you vote on it and then it's going to referendum exactly based on the way it's laid out. I just want to make sure that was the motion. We're not bringing it back to talk about room size or anything. It's exactly what was presented. Correct. Uh so you seconded that. Sure.

Okay. I'll bring the chief up for one here in just one second. Um okay. Is it your intention that we use the same firm then? And then how are we paying for it? The same for firm is who did the first cost estimations or are you wanting somebody else or like because we we don't have anything lined up. What's up? You're talking. Yeah, we don't have any lined up as far as who the the vendor is for the cost estimation. I guess if they did the other one, you might as well do this one. Okay. Do you want that in the motion? Sure. Okay. Do you have a dollar amount you want to limit it to for the price of it? I do not. I don't know.

Yeah. Same same. You can label it in the motion as far as the same firm that did the first set of cost estimations. The remodel estimations. Yeah. Al good with that as a second still. Yes. Okay. Chief, come on up. [clears throat] Al had questions. I think Stu does as well. Or maybe not. Al does for sure. Well, we can get up here. Good evening. Good evening.

I think you should get a seat up here. [laughter] I guess my question to you u being the chief of our village obviously uh help [snorts] us make a decision on the billing that we need some

form or whatever we want to discuss here on a remodeling job or a new one but ultimately when it's all said and done what's going to work for you to make our fire department good or better All right. Thank you for having me up. Um, nobody is wrong here. Stu, uh, Stu is not wrong. Village Trustee Bloss isn't wrong. Nobody's wrong. Everyone is hearts in the right place. We're trying to move, sorry, this is, we're trying to move our organization forward. Uh, all of the plans uh, we talked about in our workshops, all of those ideas we have all stem from a 24-hour operation. We need to have a building that runs 247 and we need the facility and infrastructure to do that. Where I sit, the responsibility falls on me to provide the absolute best service we can. We already have the best members around. I strongly wholeheartedly believe that in order to have the service we need to me the build that we ha if we have something viable I am 100% all in on that that provides service right now that we can move forward with if you really think about it majority of the building will be new our sleeping quarters kitchen area you know all all of the amenities and and things we'll be able to have an organization that continues to build trust, teamwork for our residents. When we talk uh about our building project or our station currently at for instance our pancake breakfast that we host every year, I reach out and I shake the hands of so many of our constituents, people that reside in the village, sometimes outside of the village and everything. And one of the commonalities I run into is everybody thinks we already have that or they may kind of point to a direction where isn't that station yours? I want to give it to them. I want them to have

the luxury of having people to be able to wake up, jump in a rig, and go. This option that we're looking at in front of us meets those needs. To get to somebody in three or four minutes as opposed to what we have, I'm not not going down those roads, but is monumental and it's life-saving. If we're looking at an option that can do that, I want to provide it to our member, I want to provide it to our community. And if we can do that now, I think we have the support of the membership because again, everybody's heart's in the right place to do that. And if we're looking at something that can entertain that and do that for us and with this facility uh that village president outlined for us here with the costs and everything, I feel to save someone's life, that's a nominal cost to get that going in the right direction. and all those future plans we talked about in those workshops can start to take place after that's built. Without it, we're spinning our wheels. We're we're we're doing the best we can as a me as a as members and as an organization, but that progress just isn't there without the facility to do it in.

I guess a question about what you wanted to hear. Well, I mean obviously the point you made was 247 service we'll have the time frame from response time is going to be huge obviously we talked about that we have to talk about that and the only thing that we didn't really talk with the MPA standards we talked about in other workshops previous I just wanted you to see if if this scheme B would be efficient for you or do you think we need to go to scheme C or a new station that's where I was really headed with the questions

sure Yeah. Again, if if we're looking at an option that can meet the needs of what we're after, what we've been craving for, what we've been determined to get to, this meets all of those needs. There's not anything in this plan that a brand new building wouldn't offer other than age. You know, we would be building onto an existing, and I understand that, but majority of it, you know, is still going to be a facility that is enticing for future members and growth. It's a facility that offers all the things we've worked out in these village or in the workshops that we've talked about religiously for a long time. I know this has been going on for a long time trying to get something done. I think we're looking at an option to finally put this to rest. I think this meets what we're after. I'm a realist about what we what situation we're in here with costs. And I know I've reached out to our members. I've come in on weekends and talked to them. We've had round um uh roll calls and we brought up the station. I think everybody is ready to move into something that we can work with. No one I think I mean of course there's people that would like something you know brand new. I can't disagree with that. But a majority of the members I talked to let's just chief let's get something done. I stand by that. I would like to work off his last comment.

Do something so we get this done. That's what irritates me. You're trying to put 10 pounds of you know what in a five pound box just to make things work. And I don't believe in that. I think it's got to be useful and it's got to be accommodating. It's I mean just to try and get the prices down. And I mean, I'm a taxpayer myself, so I'm I'm I'm in the same boat as everybody else. And to me, just to put a band-aid where a tourniquet should be, it doesn't make sense. That's where I'm going to leave it. I don't care where it goes. I'm just saying for the referendum purposes, you know, for us to get this referendum passed through and do a lot of homework, which is fine. but to sell it to the village residents. And you think this addition would be efficient scheme versus a new building. I think it's going to be hard to sell personally for me. I would like a new building myself. But again, if you throw in the referendum, we don't get it passed. What do we do then? We bring it back to square one. another 10% another year goes by could be two years go by

now it goes up 20% whatever percent it may be so that's what I'm looking at these dollars keep on going every year we pass trustee down the road said 13 years we did this 13 years ago this thing would be cut in half okay now we're doing the same thing again we're all on board up here trustees to get something done for you And I do we [clears throat] have no we do appreciate that. I mean we we do

okay I'm just going to remind there's a motion on the floor that we're right now discussing um a motion to get cost estimation for the full building scheme. My question is that going to add a lot more time in order to go to going another direction like this

timelinewise um for if we're going to move as kind of how I put in the initial phase of the discussion tonight um it would delay it by another month or two for that part if that's looking to move forward as we give a $4 million budget like was discussed at the start we're going to add it by two months before that starts moving because then we're going to have to come back in two monthsish once the cost estimation is done and then discuss are we doing BC and I'll say full building of D which I think is technically a losing track of all um [snorts] so there would be the the third option then we'd have to have another meeting knowing the costs estimation wise of these two schemes and the build full building new

building agree with What's that? You said referendum on the motion. What? He said on that. Okay. I didn't restate that part. So that's why I'm asking clarify. So your motion includes to take to get a number. Yeah. And take that to referendum along with the other schemes. Okay. or that's not that's not how you worded it initially and I I think we need to take a step by step then. So if could I could I just say one more thing? Sorry.

The way that the motion Yeah. the way the motion was restated and then clarified with um who to use and such was to get cost estimation for a full building scheme. That's that's how the the motion ended at that point. If you wanted to make a motion to go to referendum that so we have a final number that if we go to referendum I didn't say we had to go to referendum the way that you worded it as he's saying now I you did say referendum [clears throat] and go to referendum on that number that's what he said that's the point I was trying to make and that's what I'm clarifying

that means even if you vote you won't you were talking about well then we'd still look at all the other schemes you will be looking at nothing else you you clarified and I've acknowledged that and we're good there. So the original motion you did say uh and go to referendum. That's not what I thought I said, but well, since we're on since we're on this discussion yet, um I have withdraw the second and get a new motion. Whatever. I'll draw my second table pretty quick. No, I think we should withdraw. Let's just let's just keep it simple and one thing at a time.

So, all right. I'll withdraw my motion. Okay. Do you want to make a new one? Yes. Go ahead. I make a motion that we go out for estimates on a new fire station on the proposed plan that we have from Fisher Fisher TE so we have a final number. If we go out to referendum, we can decide what we're going to do. Okay. And to include in the language the same firm as we did before axium, right? Okay. Is there a motion to the new or a second to the new motion? I'll second it again for discussion. Okay. [sighs] Al, you did you say what you want to say or did? Yes, I would like to. Yeah, if I could add on to a discussion part. You know, we got these we got these I'm sorry.

The motion is to go to cost estimation for the full building scheme and and go to referendum not to go have to go to referendum. That's what I want. Hold on. We keep five people at once is not working. Okay. Current motion on the floor is only to get a cost for a full building scheme. Okay. We took out the referendum. Full building. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. So, they could be prepared to go to ref. Go ahead. One. I thought we had these numbers already to be honest with you. I don't think we don't have them to the level of [clears throat] the estimations we have for those schemes. We had the general um cost estimation of like generally a building like this is x number per square foot. That's all we have [snorts] which was 7.2 million.

Well, I know we wanted to move forward as you know as fast as we can on you know things and stuff and like I say 13 years of not doing anything and we want to move forward but you know we we got some just got these numbers tonight and I get a chance to digest. I mean you did an awesome job. Trust me I say that again. to get the numbers where we actually can see some really great numbers on the the schemes and stuff. But well, I I would I wouldn't mind digesting this for two more weeks. Okay. Well, then you can vote no and then it dies and Okay, I'm ready. I have a question. Go ahead.

Um, as far as these numbers are concerned, one as presented [snorts] here uh for scheme B to go with the remodel as what we were talking about couple of things that the chief said really made an impression on me. One, a good majority, and I'm I'm guessing 75% of the building is going to be new anyways under the remodel scheme. Is that is that a fair statement? Some high percentage. Yes.

Some Okay. Some very high percentage. Second of all, I I guess what I'm looking at is the fact that um that being the case, the chief said looking at this proposal, he said that there is what I need in this to give me the modifications that are required for us to upgrade and for me to work with and to grow with. And and I think those are powerful statements. And as far as uh anything else is concerned, I'm going to confine it to that. I have I have opinions on referendums. Been checking that out, but I don't think that needs to be a part of this discussion. If the chief is telling us that this is going to work and 75% of it is going to be new, then let's move on move ahead with this.

Okay. Going back to before we clarified and we send it and remotioned and all the rest of it. The question that you had asked was what's the delay if we go out to this cost estimation. So if we do this third estimation scheme, it's going to be a couple months before we make any further determinations on the next step. So we're in February at the end of February. You're talking March to April. So figure probably May is when we're discussing a new third price and then having those three prices to compare side by side and then to discuss our final decision uh as far as what we move forward with. So the topic is paused if if this motion is approved the topic is essentially paused until May when this is done. That doesn't resolve any of the things as far as whether we go to referendum if we push be through automatically or all all the above. That's that's the next discussion in me. Just answering a question from before because I didn't get a chance to with motion issues.

If we don't if we decide not to go out for a new building, what does that do to our timeline? Well, then that's the next motion is what you want to do if that's what you want to do. And we we proceed out of out of more we proceed as we make each of these motions and whatever passes that either pushes forward or quote unquote delays or whatever without a delay when what's the next thing to do. Let's say we don't have a we don't go

again it depends on the next motion. So if this motion fails and then somebody makes a motion to proceed with scheme B to the design phase, then that's the next motion and we're off the and then that would start moving forward if that passes. Or if the next motion is that we table the discussion to determine what the referendum question is going to be, that's the next one and we bring bring it back next month with time to consider.

Um we have to vote on this motion. So, I I guess we can do that. But not having a full board to vote on something this important uh means that uh we we just we just need that we need to know what the full board is going to vote on. And I um let's vote on this motion here first, but I'm I'm inclined to to table this for two weeks until we have a full board. Okay. Any other discussion on this specific motion for the cost estimation then? All right. Hearing none. All those in favor of approving the cost estimation for a full new building as we've already discussed say I. I.

All those in sorry all those in favor you got it. All those against I I. All right. So Stew is four and the three are against. You're against. Okay. So that motion fails. Okay. Then I'll make a motion to table this for two weeks until all trustes get here. Al is a yes. Everybody else is a no. Yep. All right. I can't take So, your motion is to table the discussion until the next meeting. Yep. Until we get all trustees here and we can all all really do our homework, digest all the information that we have. Tonight, the next meeting, March 12th, plan commission. Yes, please. Okay. Is there a second?

Everybody can digest everything, all the material that we received here tonight. Is there a second? Is there a second? I'll second it. Okay. It's been a motion and seconded to table the discussion further until the next meeting which is in two weeks. Anything to discuss further? Hearing none. All those in favor of tableabling for two weeks say I. I.

Anyone opposed? That carries unanimous. All right. uh accounts payable bills in the amount of $152,862.94. I'll make a motion to approve in the amount I just stated. I'll make a motion. I'll second a motion. Any discussion? Chad and Roger for the minutes. Hearing none. All those in favor of approving the bills say I. I. I. Anyone opposed? [clears throat] Carries. Ajourn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. All those in favor of adjourning say I. I. I. Any oppos? All right, we are done.