Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everybody. This is September 2nd, 2026. We are the Landmarks Commission. This is the city of Waukesha, and I'd like to call this meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call to my left with Marty.

Marty Larson.

Linda Gordo. Andrew Adrantes. Carmen De La Paz.

Mike Christine. Matt Retzek. Tony Alonzo.

Perfect, and we're gonna move on to public comment. And go ahead, we're gonna get a public comment for the Springs Committee. If you could state your address and your name, please, for the record.

Bob Sob, 434 Madison Street. I'm going to say the Springs Committee seems defunct, but just bringing up as far as the springs, I didn't see anything and any notifications of any fall spring cleanup. I know there wasn't a spring springs cleanup, and Menisca is in very much disrepair. Finally, after... Revision surgery is able to go down there and see what it looked like. There's trees across the pathway There's sludge down at the bottom of spring and so to require a volunteer time to clean it up and so my more opposing the question if there's not going to be a sanctioned Landmark Springs fall cleanup that I would arrange to get volunteers to to get that cleaned up so I don't that's something I have to get permission from and sign waivers. I know I've done a lot of stuff myself over the years, but I'd probably get a volunteer base using social media that I'm using called Spring Keepers to keep up on stuff like that and keep advocacy for historical knowledge base for it and doing that. So kind of an open question, possibly to Charlie. If I do a volunteer spring cleanup? We do have a group that's planning to come. You are planning it? Yes.

Okay. It's not a...

not a um public yeah it's a it's a group that's that's able to do it okay so let's stick to the public comment for this one and then we can bring it up later at the end of the meeting when we actually have it on that part of the agenda but i appreciate everything that you do bob so much and if we do decide that we would love to get your help we will certainly reach out to you i promise okay thank you thank you cool and we'll discuss it further later on in the agenda thank you bob Okay, anybody else here for public comment? Okay, so we are moving on to approval for minutes and I'm looking for a motion, please.

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as listed on the agenda.

And a second? I'll second. Perfect, full vote.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Item number 2604223, meeting minutes of August 5th, 2026, have been approved. Moving on to the Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant funds. Charlie's going to give us a summary. This is item number 26-04258, and we have an interesting conundrum that we shall deal with after Charlie explains it to us.

All right. So as you know, the Landmarks Commission Pay and Repair Grants are typically approved on an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project up to $3,000 max. uh and landmarks mission may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope overall impact fund availability which is important for tonight and any other circumstances so for 2026 we had a an initial grant fund approval of twenty five thousand dollars And all of the 2025 projects have been completed so that the 2025 funds have all been allocated. And so far for this year, you've approved grants totaling $21,777.50. And that leaves $3,222.50 available. And of course, the approvals need to be conditional on approval from Lancashire County and the SHPO program. compliance. So here are all of the grants that have been approved for 2026. There have been 13 total so far and there are three on the agenda for tonight. 321 South Hardwell, 308 McCall Street and 1222 East Broadway. And as you can see from the amounts, the grant amounts, the applications, the guideline amounts exceed the available funds. So if you were to give the guideline amounts for those grants, you would be at $6,141, which is almost twice the $3,222 grant of the amount that we have available. um if you were to just follow the straight first come first serve basis you'd probably give three thousand dollars to 321 south hartwell and then the remaining 222.50 to 308 mccall street and and that would be that would be it for the grants uh i certainly wouldn't recommend doing that in the past typically when when we've come to the the end of a grant allocation anybody that's on the agenda the landmarks commission has tried to give some money to um so i've kind of come up with a couple of options uh that you could consider um and i i would recommend probably going through all the certificates of appropriateness before you review the grants. I feel like it would just be better to have an understanding of the amounts. So option one is if you basically took that total of project cost estimates that we've received of $90,000 for the three of them, And then you took the amount of each of the grants, what proportion they are of that total, and applied that to 3,222. So then you get $2,480 for 321 South Hartwell, 214 for 308 McCall, and 527 for 1222 East Broadway. obviously 321 south hartwell is a very large project and typically the if we have the maximum grant of three thousand dollars which uh that would fifteen percent of that would be twenty thousand dollars uh so option two is kind of taking that twenty thousand dollars as like the maximum that uh would be considered in the grant amount and just applying it proportionally to that amount. So basically replacing the $70,000 for 321 South Hartwell with $20,000 and using that proportion. So for that, you get $1,500 roughly for 321 South Hartwell, $476 for 308 McCall, and $1,122 East Broadway for $1,171 for 1222 East Broadway. Option 3, 321 South Hartwell, the project is, I have a recommendation of approval, but a portion of that project is not necessarily approved. within what would be the ideal, what would be recommended for a historic project. So this would be saying, if the Landmark Commission said we do not want to give grant money for that work, then basically the other two projects, you could round to the nearest 50 and then add the remaining 2250 on the 1222 East Broadway. So that would be just kind of dividing up what's left among those two. And then option four is reducing those two to 10% of their estimated cost. So that's about $600 for 308 McCall Street and $1,488 for 1222 East Broadway, and then giving the remainder to 321 South Hartwell. because certainly a portion of the work that's being done for 321 South Hartwell does fall within the typical guidelines for the Landmarks Commission. So those are the four options that I've kind of come up with. You know, in discussion with the applicants, you might end up with and amongst yourselves, you might end up with something different. But I wanted to kind of give you some ideas for ways to allocate the money. I would say if you wanted a recommendation, I would probably think option four is the most appropriate. But that's something that you guys will have to consider. And again, I would recommend going through all of the certificates of appropriateness first. That's not how we have it on the agenda, so you'll have to rearrange things a little bit.

Okay, so first of all, I just wanna make sure that we're all in agreement that we should see the scope of the work before we give the grants out, so that, and I'm sorry that that means some of you are gonna have to hang out a little bit longer, but I think that that makes the most sense. Everybody good with that? Okay, so we'll do that. So we'll hear everybody's case, see their projects, And then we'll come back to the grants once we have the scope of the work within each one. Good? Perfect. Moving on to new business. Item number 2604224, the Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 321 South Hartwell Avenue. We're going to review a request to replace siding, a flat roof, and storm windows on the non-historic rear attached garage.

All right, so this is 321 South Hartwell Avenue. It's on the east side of Hartwell Avenue in the Capels Park Historic District. It's just to the south of Newhall Avenue there. And this is the Virginia Frame House, which was built in 1938 and has colonial revival architecture. And the applicant believes that the house was built for a granddaughter of Andrew Frame. As you can see, it has a stone siding on the front facade, and the applicant does not plan to make any alterations to that. But there is wood siding on the sides, as you can see there, which is not in bad condition, but certainly would need a paint job or some kind of repair work. and then also on the rear, and that includes an attached garage, which the applicant believes is not historic. There are some houses in the Capels Park Historic District that have similar attached garages. The applicant believes that this one is not but there is wood siding on all of those sides of the house, and the applicant would like to replace the wood siding with LP SmartSide composite siding. They have stated that they'll use the smooth, The smooth siding, so it wouldn't have a false wood grain texture, so it would have a look that's closer to the wood siding. And then the dimensions of the new siding would match the existing siding. There might be some new corner boards, I believe, from the... From the estimate, there might be some new corner boards along that rear section of the house. So this is a rear and sides of the house that would be replaced. And again, they're going to match the... dimensions. There's also a on the garage. There's sort of a there's a flat roof and a small section of shingles. They would be replacing both the roof and the shingles. The shingles will match the shingles on the house. And then the roof will be replaced to be properly waterproofed. And they would plan to replace the gutters and downspouts on the garage as well. Those are currently K-style gutters, so then they would be replaced with standard K-style gutters. to match with six inch rather than five inch size so they would just be a little bit larger, but They would match the existing and then several of the windows both on the garage and also on the front of the house have have storms which they would like to replace with a combination storm and screen and they have also noted on the application there are some shutters throughout the house those would be removed and potentially replaced if the Landmarks Commission feels that's appropriate so that's something we've had discussion on recently And some of their houses that the shutters are not appropriate I'm not sure in this this style the colonial revival they might be more common, but maybe could be sized a little differently or Landmark submission might feel that they're not appropriate to replace so this was the the Estimate that was provided has a detailed the kind of rundown of all the work that's being done And then so again, it's just summarized They're replacing the existing wood siding on this on the sides and rear with new LP smart side the new setting will be smooth and will match the dimensions and So because of that, because it's a side in the rear and because it's matching the dimensions, that staff recommendation is to approve it, even though that isn't something that would necessarily be an ideal replacement. and then repairing the south gable windows, replacing the lower storm windows with combination storm and screen, replacing the front corner boards, and replacing the flat garage roof and shingle sections. The new shingles will match the roof shingles, and then the garage roof will be standard shingles.

flat roof and replacing the gutters and downspouts uh on and adjacent to the garage with k-style six inch rather than five inch great thank you could we have the homeowner um please step up and join us and state your name and your address please hi good evening good evening welcome thank you

My name is Bill Kirsch. Address is 321 South Hartwell, as you've probably guessed already.

Perfect. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie already stated today?

I would like to just add that I do not know if the garage is historical. When we first moved in, we went to the Historical Society, and they had no records of this house, no pictures or anything to tell us what it originally looked like. So it could have been polka dots for all I know, but probably not. I do know the garage is old, and it is in the same style, the paneling or siding is in the same style as the rest of the house. So I also know that it really desperately needs a new roof. And so that's all I really want to add to that.

Perfect. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions?

Marty? Did you say what year it was built? 37.

1937.

So they had cars back then, so maybe they had a garage.

Quite well be, yes. There's a little milk chute in the breezeway between the house and the garage that we've kept on as part of the historic part of it.

I mean, to me, it feels like that garage was, if not original, shortly after with that door that exits out the second floor door. I mean, that is not a new door either. So maybe there was a railing around the top of it at some time. You see that kind of mansard with a railing if that was someone's sun deck or something. But I mean, I don't know how that informs our decision today, but it feels like it could have been original.

And how do you feel about the shutters?

I think two shutters on a single window is a great start. I mean, proportionally, again, kind of repeat from last month. If there are new shutters going on, just sizing them appropriately. If they were to close, they could cover those windows, I think feels architecturally correct.

I was thinking just no shutters at all because they're very hard to secure on the stone facing. Sure.

We welcome that.

Okay.

Just because exactly what was just mentioned is that shutters, when they close, should look like they're going to cover the window.

Be functional.

Exactly. Even if they're decorative and will never be shut. And so that is what makes them out of step with the house.

Okay.

Good?

I had a question regarding the door that would go to the top of the garage. I guess if you're going to keep the door and people are going to go out there, That'll be the time to make sure that if you are doing something with that garage roof that I'm assuming people would want to walk there or put some kind of furniture on it or get rid of the door and slide over it. That's your decision, but just if you have people walking on your roof, make sure it's structurally sound, you know, smiley.

Well, yeah, we're definitely going to make it structurally sound there. Mr. Engler will see to that. I believe that's one reason the garage was made the way it was and not a steeper angle because they wanted access to the door and the windows on the backside. But I don't know.

What's the code on height and railing?

I think that that's well, I mean that's a that's a building inspector enforcement thing probably, but yeah, I mean right now it doesn't meet code. The city would say put a railing around if if you can walk out 32 so a kid can't exactly the railing would be 36.

Yeah, the railing is 36, but once you go over the height of 31 inches or something like that, you're required. for safety reasons to have a railing. I'm just warning you in case you get an inspector out there, that might be something that if you wanna have access to that space, you're going to be in a situation where you're gonna have to put a railing in. Just to be aware, that's our job.

Or the door becomes a window.

Yeah, or the door just gets closed. That may come up. Okay. Any other questions? All right. I'm looking for a motion for approval of the COA. Anybody?

I'll make the motion to approve the COA for 321 South Hartwell. for the replacement of siding, the flat roof, the storm windows, that's really an amazing job that you're going to do. So I'll make a motion for that to approve it.

Can I tack on to that emotion? Yes. Just that if we're removing the shutters, that they would stay removed then?

Right. Yep.

So then I'll second.

Perfect.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Great, you're approved.

Thank you very much, all of you.

Thank you so much. We'll circle back on the grant.

Yeah, we have part two, I guess.

Yep, part two coming up after these messages. I'm kidding. Yes, please, and thank you. Be comfortable. All right, moving on to item number 2604240, Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 308 McCall Street. We're going to review a consultation request to repaint wood trim sections.

All right. 308 McCall Street is in the McCall Street Historic District. It's on the north side of McCall Street, right between Charles and James Streets. And this is the Frank Lyman and Walter and Jesse Sleep House, which was originally built in 1880 with Italianate style. And it was extensively remodeled in the 1930s So the style is now considered to be a hybrid of Italianate and Georgian Revival. And the house is considered to be one of the pivotal houses to the McCall Street Historic District. And as you can see, it mostly has brick siding, but there are some wood trim sections both in the door, in this sunroom area, and then the window frames and window trim, and then also the soffits and fascia throughout the house. And the applicant would like to repaint just those wood sections with maybe some wood repair in a few spots like the section that's pictured there. So those will all be repainted. The color will match the existing. Some of the first floor portions will be completed by the owners, and then the paint purchase was done by the owners, and the contractor will do the remaining work, including the upper story sections. So this is a consultation request, since it wouldn't need to come for approval, except that they are applying for a paint repair grant.

Perfect.

Great, if the homeowner could join us please up front and state your name and your address please for the record. Thank you.

Phyllis Flores, 308 McCall Street.

Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie's already stated today?

No, I think he covered it.

He does a good job, doesn't he?

He does. We love Charlie. Those are better pictures than I took.

Thank you. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? Marty?

It was just about the wood rot in areas that they would obviously just mimic the same thing in replacing the stuff that's bad.

What was that?

The wood rot that we see here.

Oh, that side, yeah, was never completed. So that has to be, that was the part that needed to be completed on that, on the second story, Basha and Eve's. Mm-hmm.

And it will be identical to what's already there, so it'll look just like a repair as opposed to a change.

And those shutters are coming down. Okay. The bats like to live behind them. Wow. There were a lot of shutters all around the house, and the other ones have been removed, but these hadn't quite been removed yet.

Okay, great. Any other questions? It's a great house. We love it. Beautiful house. We love the house. All righty. So I'm looking for a motion for this COA, please.

I'll second.

Thank you.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Perfect. You're approved. Well, not you've already been approved, but now you qualify for a paint repair grant.

So thank you.

Give us a couple seconds and we'll get right back to that. Thank you. OK, moving on to item 2604241 Landmarks Commission. Sorry, sorry. Take that back. Take it back. We're moving ahead one. To item 2604256, Landmarks Commission Certificate Appropriateness for 1221222 East Broadway. We're going to review or request to replace the garage door and repair several windows.

All right, so this is 1222 East Broadway. It is in the East Broadway Historic District. It's on the north side of Broadway between Frederick Street and Porter Avenue, just to the southeast of Buckner Park. This is the Edward Porter George B. Harris House, which was built in 1870, and this house also went through a substantial renovation in 1908 and 1930. I believe George Harris was the owner for one of those later renovations. So it has English Revival-style architecture. And as you can see, it has a detached garage, which is behind the house and is about 200 feet back, I believe, from East Broadway. And the applicant would like to replace the garage doors. This was a situation where the existing garage door was contracted to determine that it was unsafe. So we did grant an emergency COA to start the work of replacing them. early so they have been removed uh here's a this is a google street view uh photo from what it was before it was removed uh this was a wood garage door that was sort of a blank white wood or a solid white wood door this was not original it was from the 1970s As you can see, this is a historic photo from, if not the period of historic significance, from closer to it. As you can see, the garage doors at that time had had windows along the top section. So the applicant, who is Tony Lanza, would like to replace the garage with a new aluminum garage door and with windows to match the ones that... that were originally there. So he was considering some different options for windows and to match the historic photos, he had selected the Stockton style. So this is of those options. It's a square window to match that photo, to match the ones that were in that photo. And then along with the windows on the detached garage, there is an additional attached garage, which in this case is definitely not historic. That is a later addition, and it's also not visible at all from the public street. So we'd like to replace that garage door as well. And then along with replacing the garage doors, there are several windows specifically on storm and the interior on the side door. So here's the exterior of the storm door. And then the interior has some leaded glass windows. So the storm window pane needs to be replaced, as you can see from the covering there. And then the leaded glass on the interior needs some repairs. And then there are some storms throughout the house, which also need some repairs as well. so those will be repaired rather than replaced and there are some sections that need replacement glass but the windows themselves will be replaced to match the existing so they're replacing the garage doors new doors will be aluminum panels with stockton window style and then repairing the round top storm windows and then also some double hung windows in the storm door window insert will be replaced and then the door panel will be repaired as well great thank you Charlie do we have the homeowner here yeah that's you all right well I guess you better go up the other way you could please state your name and address for the record please

Tony Alonzo, 1222 East Broadway.

Awesome. Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie's already stated?

The garage doors actually have already been replaced. They were, like he had mentioned, the one cable snapped and the guy had said that they're so old that they actually, he didn't deem them safe. And so he said I wouldn't even, and then the small carriage house door, he said I wouldn't even operate it. So then that's where I was like, I just need to get these ordered ASAP. So the carriage house doors to that historic picture that he shared, that's why we picked those Stockton windows to kind of give it to resemble the look of that. And then the one on detached garage, as you mentioned, is not historical by nature at all. So then we just did no windows on that one.

Okay. Does anybody else have any questions? Nope. Okay, I'm looking for a motion for the COA of this project. Let's just cut to the chase. I'm not going to beg. I'm going to put up a... proposed to approve landmarks item 2604241. I'm sorry, I did it again. Landmark submission certificate of appropriateness for 1222 East Broadway, and I suggest we approve as stated in the request. Do I have a second?

I'll second.

Second?

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

You are approved. Thank you. And there was no favoritism there, I promise. Okay, moving on. Now we've got everything done, right? So now we get to go back. Perfect. Before we start, I just want to, Charlie, can you please put up that lovely little chart that you had with all the, yes, the options. Thank you. And just to get any comments. feedback right now before we go down the road.

And I do have, I could break out the, you know, at least for two of the three, it's kind of broken out a little bit, so I could explain that if you'd like.

The one for 321 Hartwell, I'm assuming, is one that you have it broken down, seeing that the cost was $70,000 and you said not everything there was

That one, I didn't have it broken out beforehand, but the applicant might be able to provide some detail on that.

I think we want to know what you're basing the 1, 1, 2, 8, the 1, 5, 7, 4 based on 70. Like, what's the ratio with that? Right?

Yeah.

So considering part of what would be part of the paint and repair grant.

Yeah. So I guess basically the idea was the LP smart side siding would not be replacing wood siding would not be. With LP smart side would not be something that's considered to be ideal for a historic house in this case You know, it was rear siding and they're matching. They're following all the other guidelines, but that's something that You know in some other cases the Landmarks Commission has said we don't want to give Full grants or you know give a grant at all in some cases when they're when there's work that's being done that wouldn't be what's ideal. The rest of it all meets all the guidelines, you know, as far as...

So the guidelines that are being met, does the option two or option four dollar amount that you have listed fit with the dollar amount that you're basing...

that it wasn't based criteria it wasn't broken out for those options so that's if the applicant has uh has some detail then you might want to you know we might want to divide it out a little differently for the proportions The option one proportion, I just took 70,000, 6,059, 14,885. Each of those were the proportion of 90,000 of the total of the three. And then applied that to 3,222. So I think 70,000 was something like 70% of that total. And then the other ones were a smaller amount. Option two, I just replaced that 70,000 with the 20,000 because that would be sort of the maximum that would be. considered for a typical grant and did the same thing. And then option four, I reduced the other two, 308 McCall and 1222 East Broadway to 10% of the estimated cost, and then the remainder that was left over of that $3,222 just applied to 321 South Hartwell.

Can I throw a wrench in there? My estimate, so my attached garage has no historical significance, and then it has the lift masters in there and things like that, so I took out That $3,050 from there, so I would say my historical total would be $11,835 versus what's on there. Just more for knowing that those things are not historical, and I don't think receiving anything for a garage opener would be fair.

That's honest. Thank you.

So hopefully you have your spreadsheet open and ready to adjust.

And I do think the applicant for 321 South Hartwell might be able to provide a little bit more detail on the breaking it down a little bit more, if you'd like to hear that.

Here's a question. If we deduct the amount that Tony just said, right, that would lower his amount, and then can we take whatever that is left over and divide it up between the other two people?

Does that make sense? Right. Yeah, that would be something. I could pull this spreadsheet back up.

Yeah, put those numbers in there and make the computer do the work. All right. And thank you, Tony. I think my advice is 11,835.

I don't know if I said that.

All right. So that reduced some of them. And I think I would have to put it into here also. And, yeah, this is going to be very confusing.

I'm making you work, Charlie, huh? Yes.

And everybody's staring at you. Yes.

While he's doing that, is there an option that makes the most sense?

I like option four, just most equitable. You know what I mean? I mean, we always like to give more percentages, but that just feels like the numbers make it worth it for the homeowners. You know what I'm saying? In my mind.

I agree with option four as presented, how the numbers are being adjusted unless some other applicant wanted to withdraw their application. They got approval of their project, but if they did not wish to receive funds, that would help others as well. But if that's not an option, I'm still going to stick with option four. Thank you.

I'm just curious to see how that changes the numbers.

So the nut difference is 305. If you divide that by two, that'd be 152.50. If you're going to split that equally between Hartwell and McCall, that's what you'd add 152.50 to each of those. So.

All right.

Oops.

It's also harder to do on this one than on the desktop computer.

So that would bring it up to $1,280 for 321 Salt Highway and $758 for 308 McCall Street and then $1,183 for 1222 East Broadway. Do you want to just add that?

1-8-3-50 to that last column so then it totals it up so we get that.

Yeah, to make sure that we're at 3-2-2-50.

And where is my auto sum in this one?

Yeah, so that would add up to $3,222.50.

Perfect. Thank you. So what do we think about this? Does that look better to everybody? Okay, if somebody could give me a... Yeah, just let's suggest which one ever you want.

Okay, I make recommendation to approve the option four, except now it's option five.

Yeah, it was option five on this.

Do you want us to do each one or do you want us to do what your numbers are?

Read each one for the agenda, please.

Okay.

Thank you.

So approving for 321 South Hartwell, 1280.60. 4308 McCall, 758.40.

Separate.

Separate, sure. Then we'll just stick with the 321 South Hartwell for 1280.60. I'll second. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Ready to recuse myself?

yeah yeah we have a quorum so yeah it just looks cleaner perfect so thank you three two one south hartwell you get the amount that was just stated thank you and then the next one please back to the sheet charlie

So that was $758.40 was for 308 McCall Street.

Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve 758.40 for 308 McCall Street.

Second. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Abstain.

Perfect. Approved. 4308 McCall Street, whatever that amount that was just on the screen that I cannot retain the number, it's yours. Thank you.

Okay, the last one that I could not retain the number on. 41222 East Broadway. I make a motion to approve the 1283.50, was it? No, 1183.50. 1183.50, what was listed?

There we go, 1183.50. Perfect. Second. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Abstain.

And I'd just like to put an umbrella to that, that for all of those, those paint repair grants are based on SHPO approval on the back end, which we need to state, thank you for reminding me, on the specific COAs.

Thank you.

So, thank you all very much for your patience on having to wait for us to go through that, but it just made the most sense. Great, so we're going to move on to the Alderman's report.

Excellent.

Thank you.

Hopefully those in the city of Waukesha or like to visit city of Waukesha got their Parks and Rec guide. There's a lot of things coming up just about every weekend and parks and Oktoberfest and I always mentioned Waukesha unlocked and that is I think the 10th in the 11th or another 10th Yeah, the 10th the 11th of Waukesha. So check the website check your favorite Local business or church it may be on it.

Thank you To tack on to that.

Yes

Oktoberfest is always looking for volunteers and they get free something You know is what I saw so maybe you know more Thank You Marty yeah check with April on the park and rec she sends out her emails if you're not in April's email volunteer list check out April she'll send you monthly opportunities to volunteer throughout the city thank you

Perfect, thank you. And we're going to move on to the spring support and Charlie. Now I guess would be a good time to address what was brought up for public comment at the top of the meeting.

Yep, so we do not have what we've had in the past. Sometimes is we will just put out a sign up sign up request for kind of anybody to come help out with the Springs and will typically get a groups of you know, five or six people. who will help with the cleanup. This year, Tony has a group that he's worked with that he has volunteered to come help out in early October, so that would be prior to Waukesha Unlocked, so there would be enough time to get that done, and certainly with this group, the vast majority of the Of the work that needs to be done will be on meniscus spring, and that would include both the. Cleaning up inside the spring base in itself, and then we believe we'll be able to get the parks department to drop off. Wood chips to lay down on the path, so there'd be some clean up and laying down the wood chips and hopefully. There are some trees that are across the path currently. The forestry department will clear those trees. So I have a request into them to hopefully get that. That done ahead of time, so that that all should be done. depending on availability and need mostly on whether how much the leaves have fallen by that point we might also have them do some raking and cleaning at hobo spring as well but that that should all be done ahead of the waukesha unlock tours

We don't have a date with Tony's group yet for that we had.

Yeah, it's either the October 5th or October 7th. We're just kind of both of them are open, so just depends on whether. So we have myself.

Well. Yeah, we'll have a meeting before that next month.

Well, no. October 7th I think is the first. Maybe either way, probably you're handling it.

Awesome, thank you so much for doing that great.

So the other question I have.

Yes.

Did I have it? I just lost it.

I don't know. It's like I couldn't remember the numbers. We're all good.

No. Do we have a list of the springs that are going to be on the springs tour so that they make sure they hit all those springs to make sure there's graffiti or anything else?

There are four springs on the tour. Acme is one of them, and then

Hobo.

Hobo and then Silurian Spring. There isn't really, at Silurian there isn't work that needs to be done outside. The inside, there's just some like dust and kind of debris that gathers on the floor of the spring house. I was planning to just go out there and do that on a weekday because that'll take 10 minutes to sweep it out. Likewise at Acme. Bring a blower. Right, yeah, that might be an easier option. At Acme, there's typically, there's a couple of beer cans in there from people who are having a party down by the spring, I guess. So I'll just go and clear those out.

Maybe we should do that. There's a new concept. Party at the springs.

We can have our next meeting there.

As long as you don't leave litter there. No, we don't leave litter. We'll pick up our beer cans. Right.

All right. So that's the spring's report. We will look forward to hearing what got done next month. And then we're going to move on to the communications and publications, please.

All right, so the only thing I have is, as Alderman Kazin mentioned, Waukesha Unlocked is October 10th and 11th, so be sure to come out and tour any of the sites that you would like to see. And the Springs tour will be on the 11th. Marty and Carmen have both volunteered to help with leading the tour. We have a script that was developed by Julie Scarpaggi, our former member, and Marilyn Hagerstrand, who is also a former Landmarks Commission member from many years ago and has contributed a lot of time to volunteering related to historic preservation in the city, has been on the Springs Committee and So they had developed a script. Julie is not able to do it to help with it this year. And Marilyn, I think, has some mobility issues. So she... I haven't asked, but I... And maybe I will, but I... Typically, we have three tours at 10 a.m. to noon and 2 p.m. on that Sunday. Marty and Carmen have both said that they can help as much as we need. If there is anybody else who wants to help out, that would be greatly appreciated, but otherwise we can figure it out between Marty and Carmen and myself, so. If you would like to, just let me know after.

I will be doing a tour around town myself.

So I just want to put a plug out to the public watching this, we could use volunteers.

Yes, if anybody happens to be watching this meeting and would like to volunteer, you're more than welcome.

And can we get a coach bus instead of the school bus? It's typically a school bus. Cheap.

Is there anything else that you have for your?

That's all I have.

Okay, perfect. So thank you, everybody. This meeting is adjourned.

Thank you.