Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

Everybody ready? Perfect. Good evening. It is 07/09/2025, and this is the city of Waukesha Landmarks Commission meeting. And I am calling to order by starting with roll call. And after roll call, then we have a bunch of new members that I would love to have them introduce themselves and share a little bit about them. Sometimes we get specific questions that it's just if we the more we know about you, the easier it is to go, Marty, what do you think? Or, you know, Matt, what do you think? Mhmm. Oh, yeah.

And when you speak, you just need to light up the microphone by pressing the little button in front of you right there and make sure it's green. And that's it. Okay. Roll call.

Marty Larson.

Linda Gordo.

Andrea Dorantes. Carmen Delapaz.

Mike Krasin. Matt Ratzak. Tony Lonza.

Perfect. We're gonna move on to public comment. Is anybody here for public comment? Hello. Hi. State your name and your address, please.

Aaron Spencer, 630 West College Avenue. So I just wanted to wish all the new, commissioners aboard. Welcome aboard. It's great to see some fresh blood up there and really get some things moving along. And I really look forward to seeing what's happening with the Landmarks Commission.

Also like to thank publicly thank Mayor Riley for the opportunity that I had with the Landmarks Commission previously. I enjoyed my term with the Landmarks and I know you guys will do a great job with it. And unfortunately, today I can't stick around. I got a previous commitment due to the reschedule, but wanted also thank the city staff for everything you guys have done for Landmarks. It's been a really good push. And look forward with working with you guys somewhere in the future, I'm sure. So thank you very much.

Thank you for all of time and effort. I I just wanna make sure that we keep you on the radar with the project that you've been heading up for the restoration of the the veterans.

No. Hobo Springs.

Yeah. Hobo Springs.

So as you have updates, please come by. And as you need help or support, please just keep that door open, and and we'd like to see that come to fruition. And thank you all your for your work for that.

Will do. Appreciate it. Yes. Thank you, guys.

And thank you for your service.

Thank you, Aaron. Alright.

Take care, guys.

Anybody else here for public comment today? Nope? Okay. We're moving on to approval of minutes for last meeting. I will ask for a motion. And for those of you who weren't here, you can just abstain. Thank you. Yep. So motion for approval of minutes.

Like, Christine, I'll make a motion to approve minutes from

June 4. I guess we did have I don't know if Linda Linda did contact me with a couple of corrections and well, correction and a couple of notes. So I don't know if sorry.

Did reach out because on the roll call, have that you have present only four people, but seven people were voting. So the present needs to be updated to correct that. And I also had comment as to, in my previous life, doing

benefit for us. Welcome.

I was concerned with the fact that when I watched the video, there were people who spoke at public comment, but they weren't listed. So I feel that they should be listed. You don't have to go into detail and do a verbatim thing, but at least that they were listed under public comment. And then also on the landmark commission, when you look at the agenda, there's nothing there in the report. When you look at the minutes, there's nothing to report because it's given as a verbal report. So it should at least be listed that a verbal report was given just so if anybody were to come back and look at the minutes, they would see that it wasn't just skipped and nothing happened.

Thank you.

Thank you. I'll still make a motion with the changes as read.

Perfect. And we'll get those things updated. Right, Jeff? Perfect.

Here.

Yep. Versus there.

Yep. Thank you so much for that. I really appreciate

Do we need to second that?

Yeah. We need a second.

I'll second that

Perfect.

Motion. And I get I guess before you vote, I did just you know, since Linda let, you know, let me know about it, I did just come up with some wording. I've got it on the screen just in case you wanna see it just to be, you know, sure you're comfortable. Jeff, if you can

you can pull it Which screen am I looking at?

Probably this.

What's that?

Which It's not

on this one yet.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's

Okay. Okay.

So is that the first one would be under public comment, and then the second one would be under the paint repair grant funds. So if you guys are comfortable with that, we'll just make sure it gets updated. And the four changing it from four to seven, we've already got that in the version that we have on we've already got that change in. So assuming that you guys would

want that.

Perfect. Charlie. Mhmm. Thank you. Great. So we have a we have a motion and we have a second. And so we'll start with Marty for voting.

Aye.

Abstain. Abstain.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Abstain.

So I'm gonna go back to what we said we were gonna do, and we're gonna ask the new members to introduce themselves and just give us a little brief background on them and welcome. We get very passionate around here. And we are so welcoming of new voices, new faces. And when I became the chair of this commission, I said it was a team effort, and I really believe in that. So if there's anything that is needs to be corrected, I welcome that or whatever. And and no opinion is a wrong opinion as far as I'm concerned.

Okay. I am Linda Gordeau. I am a newer resident in the city of Waukesha. And I was the interim city clerk here until Katie Penela came on board. So I was on the other side of the counter that I dealt with all of you. And I was in municipal government for eleven years before I came here. And I also have my just because I have my UDC construction credentials. So Cool. Yeah. At least they're good for another year.

So that's me. Awesome. Welcome. My name is Andrea Durantes. I am a local business owner. I own Club four hundred in Waukesha. So it's a local historic building. Been a Waukesha resident for twenty some years now. And, yeah, that's about it.

Awesome. Yeah. Welcome.

I'm Tony Lanza. I live moved here about five years ago and live on Broadway. And I've been familiar with sitting on that side of the podium with submitting grants and applications for a lot of the exterior work that we've been doing on the house. Awesome.

Your face looked familiar.

Yeah. So then I recognized some of you up here and I had a neighbor who reached out asking if I would be interested in doing this and I said sure because I love preservationists by nature so it was kind of a a fun thing to do. Thanks.

Awesome. Perfect. Thank you so much. Great. So we're gonna move on. Meeting minutes have been approved and Charlie will give us an update on the Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant funds.

Alright. So as you know, paint and repair grants are approved well, as I guess some of you know, paint and repair grants are approved in an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project, up to a maximum of $3,000 But the Landmark Submission may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability and any other circumstances. For this year, it should not say expected twenty twenty five paint repair grants. We did get that grant amount as of the June meeting. So we do have 25,000 allocation for paint repair grants for this year.

There's also still $350 left over from one project last year that has not been completed yet. If and when we get close to using the remainder of the 2025 grant, we'll contact that homeowner again and just find out where they are. And if they're not able to spend that money, then that could be reallocated to something else. So we have as of the meeting last month, $9,716 were approved, which leaves $15,284 available to be allocated. And then just as a note, again, approvals will need to be conditional on approval from Waukesha County and from the State Historic Preservation Office compliance.

Just basically, that's mostly a formality. We just need to send it to SHPO to check your work, make sure it's not going to be any adverse impact. And then the Waukesha County, we just need to get all the paperwork into them basically.

Great. So we're moving on by starting with old business. Number 25Dash00978, Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant for 517 Madison Street. Review a request for a grant to repaint the house, and this is the Madison Street Historic District. It was held on 06/04/2025, and that's what we have.

Alright. So this is 517 Madison Street. It's at the on the South Side of Madison Street, at the corner of Madison And 3rd Street in the Madison Street Historic District, kind of right at the top of the hill as the street curves. This is the Captain Elihu Enos House, which was built in 1885 and has Queen Anne style architecture. Captain Enos was a Civil War veteran and the first county superintendent of schools.

And, as you can see, the House has, five I I believe it's five different paint colors, the main yellow and then, two different blue. It might be four paint colors, two different blue trim colors and then the off white accent. And it's in need of a paint job. They had provided all those photos. The certificate of appropriateness for Painting was approved, last month, and, they had submitted an estimate for $19,500 for labor and material for the painting work.

The colors will match the existing colors. So again, that's $19,500 It was approved for the COA on June 5. And at the time, the applicants weren't able to be here, so the paint repair grant was held. But here's the paint repair grant funds with a note, just noting 15% in case you want to use that as guide.

Thank you. Is the homeowner here today? Please step up and join us. State your name and your address and welcome. Hello. I'm Anne Delewski, 517 Madison Street.

And I'm Richard Riojas. Thanks for having us.

No. Absolutely. We I love your house. I'm I'm in your neighborhood. So I Oh. Drive past it all the time and it. And I also can appreciate the amount of work that it's gonna take to get this thing painted.

Right. Right.

Like with all those colors, but it's beautiful. Thank Thank you for for all the attention to detail. Is there anything that you'd like to add to what Charlie already presented to us that would clarify anything?

No. I don't think so.

Pretty much covered it. It is five five paint colors. Yeah. Yeah. I don't wanna be the one on the scaffolding for that long. No. We actually it started being painted this past Monday. Good. Yeah. Awesome. How long will they say it will take?

Would say the good good part of the month, six weeks.

I would, yeah, guess six weeks. Wow.

Right. There's a the paint staking is the scraping part of it then just the detail of the colors.

Is there a lot of wood that needs to be refurbished or reinstalled?

No. There's there's a little portion on the back veranda, but really not a big deal.

Then you're lucky.

Yeah. We are.

Right. And I think I I think when I stressed to Anne last year, needing that we would have to do this is because there'd be less labor intense because of I could we noticed the peeling of the paint. So I figured it's probably just time to just get it done.

Great. Awesome. Does anybody else have any questions? Comments? No? I'm looking for a yes.

Completely irrelevant to the painting, but on you had one gutter that kinda like comes into the middle of the

window. Right.

I didn't know if are you able to have it come down and over?

I I I I work in the industry, so that's something that I I want to address later. And it would just be the the the the same type corrugated

Yeah.

Wouldn't change anything. And I think because the way the needing that it needs a gutter replacement, they kind of ran that off onto the shake so it wouldn't run off. And I think that's further off from the basement too. But yeah, that's something that I'd like to address sooner than later, but.

Yeah, we were hoping to do the painting this year and then look into some of

the gutter repair next year.

I did do some patchwork when we moved in, There were minor leaks. But yeah, I would probably look into addressing some of those next year.

Yeah. You guys are doing lead lead check on the paint.

Did he do a lead

check? Don't know if he did the the scrape? The lead check. I'd have to ask.

Just I mean, it I'm sure your painters are aware of that and Yeah. And they wouldn't wanna mess around messing with stuff personally yeah. Yeah. Just safety and Right. Protection.

Wear a mask.

Yeah. Good one.

Great. Anybody else have any questions? No. I'm looking for suggestion on paint and repair grants. I have my opinion, but I will wait for others as well.

I can I motion?

Please.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

I motion for a paint repair grant of $29.25 for the painting of the property at 517 Madison Street. I second that.

So we'll put that up for vote. And just for the new members, we we fluctuate sometimes. We don't give this amount. We can go in any way. But I'll be very transparent that this is a beautiful historic home. There's a lot of detail in this work. Right. They obviously care about the property and have maintained it, and that's why I would definitely support this amount. Just to give you guys some insight as we go. And we'll just wait for Jeff to be ready.

No pressure. Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Great. Thank you so much. I look forward to seeing it. Okay. Thank you all. Have a nice summer.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Moving

on to 2500981 Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant for 305 McCall Street. Review a request for a grant for previously approved roof repair work. This is the McCall Street Historic District. It was presented 06/04/2025, and I would imagine that we needed to have the owner here. Right, Charlie?

That's that's up to you guys, I guess. But that was the reason that it was held at the last month.

I'm sorry?

Yeah. That was the reason that that it

was held

at the last month.

That's what I wanted to just yeah. So if you could just bring us up to speed, Charlie.

All right.

Thank you.

So just to run through it again, this is 305 It's on the South side of McCall Street, just right in between Charles And James Streets in the McCall Street Historic District. And it is the Margaret Breeze Vincent and George Vincent House. It was built in 1895 and has Queen Anne style architecture. And as you can see, it has an existing roof, which is gray or brownish dimensional shingles. And the applicant wanted to fix some leaks but didn't wanna replace the roof entirely.

There were some leaks specifically in the vicinity of the chimney, and she had provided some photos of the interior. And then just used the the rear. And the proposal was for a roof system called CERiCADE, which which provides just a a cover to clean the roof and then do protect it from further damage and is intended to extend the life without having the cost of a full roof replacement. So that was a dark brown color, Cerricade roof. And the so again, that was approved, on June 5.

And the total estimated cost was $11,919 And there's the what 15% would be.

Is the owner of this property here today?

She did say she was gonna try to make it and she was gonna let me know if she couldn't, but I guess she may not have.

Okay. Just so you guys know, what we usually do is we don't really give money unless the people are here. And it, you know, it's just a it's a bit of protocol that we've had so far. So let's just say that we will table this and if she shows up late, I'm happy to bring it back into the agenda if she actually shows up today. And if not, then we'll just push it ahead to next month. Fair? Yep. Everybody agree? Yep. Good. Yes. I don't have to make a motion for that, do I? Okay. Cool. So we're gonna move on.

But hopefully, she does show up. Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness. This is number twenty five zero zero nine five three for two zero two West College Avenue. We're gonna review a request to replace the siding, and this is the one that they're not gonna be here, so we're also tabling I this just remembered 202.

Yeah, that would that's at the request of the applicant.

Yep. I like how quickly this agenda is moving. The new business is starting with 250-1579 oh, nope. That one's gone too. Next. We're moving on to 25Dash1580 Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness for 406 Windsor Drive. Review a request to replace the roof, and this is the Caples Park Historic District.

Alright. So 406 Windsor Drive is on the North Side of Windsor Drive in the Caples Park Historic District, just a little bit to the west of Hartwell Avenue in between Hartwell and Charles. And it is the the c Eason House, which was built in 1938. And its architectural style is colonial revival. And as you can see, it has red tile roofs red tile roof, which is in in need of replacement.

There's you can see some of the damaged tiles there. And then you can also see from the rear, the there's some visible stains and damage on the tiles. So the applicant has was not able to find a tile roof that was the same quality or that that worked, but would like to replace it with slate roof instead, a slate tile rather than the I guess that's a clay tile. And the color that he would like to use is Tuscan clay. So he feels that this is the closest appearance that he could match.

And then in addition to replacing the roof, the Epingham would like to also replace the gutters and the chimney flashing. As you can see, the existing gutters are the K style rather than on some of the historic houses, there's the half round gutters, but these are the more common, the K style gutters. So he would like to replace them with new K style gutters and new chimney flashing, both of which will be copper. So again, it's replacing the existing red tile roof with a composite slate roof, the Tuscan clay color, replacing the downspouts and gutters with copper gutters, which will be case tile and then repairing and repainting the soffits fascia and wood trim sections, which will not include any painting of the masonry. So that will be all painting on sections that are already painted and adding the copper flashing to the chimney.

Wonderful. Is the homeowner here?

I am here.

Please if you would step up sir and state your name and your address and that's just for the record. Sure. Thank you. Thank goodness.

I'm John Rosenberg. I live at 406 Windsor Drive in Waukesha.

Awesome.

And, yeah, that's my lovely home.

It is beautiful.

Thank you. It's it's been lovely. It's been a bit of a money pit, but it's been it is it is what it is. And I just we applied for the state tax grant as well with the historical society there. And I was waiting for a reply. I sent it in five weeks ago and I got the reply twenty eight minutes ago.

Very cool. What'd they say?

No. It wasn't very cool.

Oh, no. I'm It so

is what it is. And the the clay tile which we have is samples this. Okay? And this is one of about five I found in the garage, five or six. And I entertained six or seven different roofers and talked about different avenues to go.

And I've had Renaissance Roofing out of Rockford, Illinois come up and repair the roof three times. You can see the last discolored tiles erupted because they're a little bit rougher than the the smooth ones. And they came up first with an estimate. He told me $42,000 to replace and repair the tiles in the front of the house and $48,000 for the back. And I, you know, I swallowed a couple times and I was just rather shocked.

And I said that didn't include the gutters either. And the seams of the copper gutters, obviously, they've been painted numerous times. And I don't know why the guy would paint the copper gutters other than one of the neighbors told me he didn't like the patina color. Copper's gonna do that. And so but the seams are leaking. The downspouts are leaking. They're getting clogged even though I have gutter guards on them now and to stop. And so but we entertain metal roof. I took rubber roof. I took asphalt shingle roof and we talked different things and back and forth.

And the closest we came to was the Brava tile. And it comes in different widths, but I said I only want the width that's going to be you know, the same size as this. So I I didn't grab the right size. I grabbed the smaller one for convenience. And I've actually had it laid in the front yard for six weeks since I got the samples just to see how they would, you know, hang out and work out in the sun and so on.

And they didn't seem to get more pliable or anything else. And they look pretty good. And we have an estimate we have estimates from 51,000 to the 90,000. And when it was 58,000 was to take five rolls of tile off, put a nice water shield, put new tiles there and the copper gutters, not doing anything with the rest of the roof. And with the hailstorms we've had lately, I had my insurance company look through, we have about 75, 76 tiles that are damaged and cracked from that.

But they're not all in the front, in that first five rows. They're in different spots. And so I was kinda waiting to see what we're do, and this was the most viable option for us. The colors really close if you looked at them and so on. And but there's nobody that has that tile on around here. And I talked to Brava and they said they're within two years, they're gonna have a flat tile. Yeah. Go ahead. Instead of having the slate appearance to it. But out of all the ones we looked at, that's the closest one.

And so my lovely letter, if you can bear with me, It says, I mean you might have heard me cussing back there anyway. It says reviewing your application for your roofing project, first off the material you selected from Brava is a polymer material Through examining the product and durability, field observations of a roof that's been installed two years ago, it has warped and fades. We need to look at a roof that was went to look at this one that was two years old and polymer shingles were already beginning to warp and fade. In short, not a good investment for your hard earned money. I see that the house currently has a clay tile roof.

Have you priced out replacement tiles? Yeah. And I'm gonna have to go back and work and I don't really want to do that. In short, it says please let me know if you have any research in finding any affordable roofing options. If clay tile is priced at an astronomic cost, we will work with you to find a suitable affordable option which will meet the standards.

So he says, second of all, depending upon your paint, your paint project is fine, blah blah blah blah. But as far as the tile, they're not going to approve that tile. And so I guess, I don't know what to do. I I appreciate your time, you know, looking at it and I spent some time talking with him and you know, I'm rather at a loss right now.

Well, I'm gonna hand it over to our expert architect to see if he has any input on on this.

I mean, I've had I've had clay tile people down the road, didn't know Purvis, they had their roof redone and this gentleman who came in, he was like 58,000. And but just phenomenal.

Yeah. It's such a beautiful home and these historic homes are

too. We've taken very good care of it. I'd say we just had the upstairs bathroom turned into a walk in shower. We've put the just had the furnace replaced and the central air replaced.

I love the copper accents. Don't let anybody talk you out of

Oh, that's

my wife.

My wife is taught school for forty two years and when my wife wants to do things on the outside, do whatever, go ahead.

Well, tell your wife she's smart.

She changes her her her themes every, you know, four to six weeks and I mean, it's amazing her her insight into what she can she can do with it.

That's wonderful.

I just say go ahead there.

Matt?

I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, no problem at all. No. I mean, obviously, without replacing it with the exact same product, there's going to be a difference in fit and finish. And I mean, the color is close. It's the texture to me that is the obvious difference, but it's two stories up and From a from a distance, it's

very very difficult to see.

Right. Right. Exactly. So logically, yes. I mean, it it would not, to most eyes, strike a a glaring difference. And it sounds like you've done a lot of research into what's available and what's not available. I know we can't recommend contractors probably as a board, but we had that thoughtful craftsman company out of Shorewood that does a lot of historic homes. And I'm maybe kicking the tires on a few more contractors versed in in historic, you know, roofing and

Excuse me. I asked the historical society who in Madison who does rehab Okay. Yeah. Who works with this. They gave gave me somebody out of Madison Mhmm. Somebody out of Milwaukee. And again, I told them about Renaissance. They didn't know about Renaissance, but they're in Rockford, they're in Chicago. And those are the four or three that I really had contact with. And she had a piecemeal job for $50,000 versus a, you know, 90,000 for the whole roof to be done

Right.

Is it's a it's a different different ballgame.

It is. It's a

Absolutely.

Very much a different ballgame. I mean, I is there a scenario where you forgo the Wisconsin credits and are just looking to get it done?

Well, I I need to get it done. Yeah. And we've actually got got a contract. The one that we've we've we decided on was with Bulldog, and they just moved into Waukesha. They've been out in Mukwonago, the Big Bend, whatever. And they're the ones that worked on my decking. They did our flat roof in the front and in the back. And they want to get into the historic restoration business and so on. Want to use our houses. It was a stepping stone to get things going for them.

Yeah. Well, give you a discount for that. Well,

I'm quite sure that Matt cut a couple corners back and forth and I said, well, I'm going different avenues here. I'm trying to get as many different ones as I can. I mean, I had a metal roof guy come out and I was just like, you know, I didn't like that look at all. Yeah. And we've driven around and looked at different roofs and I mean, I've even gone so far as called Renaissance and said if I pull this roofing off, would you like to recycle the tiles that are here? Mhmm. I don't know if you will give me any money for them or so on, but if we can reuse them for some other home or you can get them, you know, somewhere they can reuse them, that would be great.

Right.

But Renaissance makes that tile. But still they came up with a $90,000, you know Yeah. Estimate.

Yeah. So how do you feel about the fact that you twenty eight minutes ago, you got this letter that's telling you that it's a subpar material. Doesn't that make you reconsider the

the Part of me says, I might just go ahead and do it anyhow. Another part of me says, I don't want to lose that, touch, that sight with the house. We hemmed and hawed with this for a long time on what we wanted to do. And we decided on that one because it was the closest we could find. And you know, it was something we could you know, I pulled some money out of some some funds that I had to to make sure I was ready to go.

And we want to say do the copper gutters at the same time too and restore it to what it originally looked like. And we've done the research on the Easton House and so on. My wife's got the we have the building permit from 1938 and some other neat stuff with it. But, yeah, I'm kind of at a loss right now.

We're we're in a precarious spot because we are here to I know. Conserve what is historic and try to maintain certain materials within the structure of certain homes. When I was appointed to this commission, the one thing the mayor said to me was like, I want you to challenge to look at other materials because sometimes the same materials that were used before aren't gonna necessarily be the right ones now and today. And so I have gone back and forth and and as a commission, we've bent a little bit to materials that are more modern or more now to help the homeowners. And I'm just telling you this to give you some some background that we care and that we would consider it.

I I understand.

You know, I I my thing is is I want you to be sure that with this recent information that you got, that if this is what you're gonna go with and if we approve it, that you're good with this decision even though you've been told it's a subpar material.

Thank you. I was looking at the sample when you said some things. Was trying to do both. Did you say the the composite material in a little couple years are gonna make it smooth? Yeah.

The the company, Brava Brava is coming out with a smooth tile like this. Sorry. And I I I told the guys, can you rush things? Can you rush things? I would really like to get it smooth if I could. But I've got leaks. You can see on the you can't see on these pictures, but above on the the double picture or the double window up in the front by the master bedroom, there's now a piece of metal in there and there's one on the west side of the house as well because we have now from the hail, the tiles were cracked. We had a roof leak. And that's since been fixed, but just above the double window on the right side there. Then there's another one on the left side. You can see the the metal on that side.

What you're taking on, I'm I'm very proud of you. I mean, literally the the flashing and going to the k style copper and flashing around the chimney all at once. I mean, it makes sense to do it with the roof at the same tile, same time.

When we redid the rubber roof, we also have the new copper put in there. And back when we had the windows redone, Acker Millworks in West Dallas, West Milwaukee, whoever built the wood window frames, wood storm windows. So we have that redone to

to this property and your wife's dedication is incredible. So those are my comments so far.

Well, mean, I think at this point as a commission, it's your prerogative, it's your house. If you're gonna forego the grant and and go with this, that's your choice. This is your choice material. It's our job as a commission to decide if it feels appropriate and if it's enough of a bend

to approve it. I really appreciate that. See, the purpose was to come in and get it looked at and okayed. And we had some conversations, more than one or two, and about what we were going to try to do and so on. And I think that we really exhausted what was around in this area of what our choices were.

Right.

And do we stay on the historic, you know, whatever and try to find more tiles and do a little bit here, a little bit there, we can have more problems versus go with something that's very similar and don't know. And now after getting this, I don't know.

A tough place. It's a tough place.

A roof is hard to do a little bit at a time. It's you know, it should be all done at once. Otherwise, there's going to be problems. Yeah. Has did Bulldog ever bring up a roofing product called da Vinci? It's it's still a slate look product, but there's

I tried

to stay away from the slate look. Really, this was Well,

it's not I mean, they make

I think

It's similar, but it maybe it's not the, you know, subpar in the Wisconsin What was the name

of it again?

Da Vinci is the name.

Da Vinci. I've looked at Da Vinci.

You have you?

Okay. Yeah. This was better.

It was. Okay. Yeah.

And Sherry Larson next door to us is real estate lady, Sherry. And they had their slate tile roof redone because they had asbestos and issues with that. And I'm sorry, but I like Sherri a lot, but I think her roof looks more fake and maybe not as good as what this is gonna look like. But, yeah, that's me.

Yeah. The slate imitation with the varied colors and things that does give the plastic It's a plastic. The da Vinci makes a a consistent color, slightly variegated Yeah. Color more clay.

And I think this is somewhat new. I don't know how long Bravo's been around Yeah. In the market and so on. And when I replied to him while I was sitting back here, I replied, I said, can you give me the address of the home with the warped faded tiles? Because I would really like to go look at it myself. Sure.

Yeah. Absolutely.

And, you know, I'm trying to get this done. I've got I've already put the painter off because I wanted to get the roof and stuff done first. And we're putting in a direct vent gas fireplace. And I don't want them walking on any one of the roofs yet. So I've got a couple of things I have in the dockets, in the works to do yet. Yeah, so I mean, And if you if you approve it, I really appreciate it. If you don't approve it, you know, we'll try to find some alternative means. Maybe fill more tiles and stop the leak and do whatever and go bit by bit. I don't know.

I think I think I think we can all agree that you're never gonna find the exact same thing. You're not gonna get the same exact historic. That's that's decided. So

We've tried very hard to stay with you.

And I and I so appreciate that, and I can feel your pressure and intensity, and I I I admire it. I really do, because this can get very frustrating. As far as I'm concerned, I think that, first of all, it's your choice of liability of the product. That we do not recommend. But I'm I am willing to consider somebody bringing up to motion or I'll bring it up to motion to vote for this product if that's what you want. Because I think it's close enough And as it gets away, the texture's not gonna be that visible.

Right.

And so if anybody else has any comment that they'd like to add opinions to that.

I mean, I I think with that you're committing to foregoing any state credits. Right?

Totally.

Yeah. By law.

And that's what I'm saying. That's that's your decision. I'm not here to decide that part.

Correct.

Yeah. But if you change from this product, then we would need you

to come back together. I told my wife, I said that when I texted her a little bit ago. I said, if they okay it, I'm gonna tell them I'm very being honest with what, you know, I got in this message and so on. And if we change, we come up with something else, I will come back and let you know and, you know, go through the proper channels, hopefully, and and let you know what we're gonna do. That

would be awesome. That would be awesome.

I have a question just for Carmen and Marty. I know there was I don't know when it was. It was a while On Hartwell, the it's got a black red iron fence, kind of a double wide lot. Was that an asbestos roof that was being removed? Or was it

I think it was

like a Spanish tile that was coming off and he replaced it with like

There's another house with a similar flat roof before you get to what's Cleveland? I don't know what it is there. If you go down Newhall across Racine Avenue, up in Hill and it bends, up on the corner there's a bigger house just before you get down to the next main road. We sat and talked to them about their roof and what they did and back and forth too. And very difficult to find replacement tiles, pieces, and, you know, they they beat their head against the wall too.

To answer your question, I think I don't think it was asbestos because there would have been a whole abatement Right. Conversation that we that was not had. Yeah. So it was probably a Spanish tile.

I think it was. And they switched to a asphalt shingle.

Yeah. They went completely different.

They went completely different. Yeah. It was Victorian home originally and then turned into, like, a Spanish colonial at some point. Yeah.

I'm not an asphalt shingle fan. So

No. I mean, I think this is and beyond that.

But

just precedent, I guess, of what we approved.

No. I mean, I I I I'm willing to change materials as long as it looks the same, especially because you're not gonna get the same thing. You're just not gonna find it. You know? So if anybody else has any opinions or thoughts.

I just have a question. What kind of warranty do they put on that product?

I was told fifty years. Okay. But I was also told when I bought the house in 2002 that the clay tile has a hundred year a hundred year life and so on. And I'm going, well, it was built in 1938. I'm a I'm I said I taught school for forty two years. '32 '38 is hundred and thirty eight is only twenty five now. But again, some of the tiles are damaged and and the felt on the layman, I'm sure, is is well beyond its years. But once it's exposed, it's gonna deteriorate faster and we wanna catch it before the, you know, the whole place falls down. I mean, one guy told me I need the whole decking replaced on the roof at $19 a sheet of plywood. And I'm like, you haven't even crawled in my attic to look.

How do know my decking is bad? And then you have the other guys come out, you have hail damage. Contact your insurance company. We're gonna get you thousands of dollars. Yeah. I'm not gonna go after the insurance company. I'll have them come look at it. But, you know, it's just one of those I wanna do it right. I mean, the roofs, the windows, our house is two by sixes. We have concrete floor. The 1st Floor is concrete, second floor is concrete. And I've got 36 inch wide concrete and steel stairs going to the basement. It's a bunker. It's not a it's not a house.

Coming to your house

for When

the sirens go off?

Yeah. For sure. I look

at my wife, I go, should we go just to the living room downstairs, or should we go to the basement? And then, you know, I'm hard of hearing anyhow, but I still don't hear half the stuff that goes on outside. It's just it's amazingly tight.

And all that stone, you're insulated.

Yeah. With the six inch stone on there. The year after we bought the house, the chimney was hit by lightning. And a whole slew of those stones on that chimney were stuck in the roof. Oh, no. We had canooth masonry come out and rebuild the chimney, and we had Renaissance come and replace all the tiles that were broken. The insurance company said they weren't gonna give me the gold policy because it was my original roof. I said that roof is gonna live longer than me or you. So I'd like the roof. I'd like to stay with that, but, you know, I'm trying to find an alternative if.

Right.

When

you had mentioned that Bulldog wanted to kinda get into the historic restoration, and I know that the major thing about this is going to be the installation. Have they done a lot of these? And do you have any concern?

We are probably going to be the guinea pig.

That's going be an expensive guinea pig.

It could be. Yes. I mean, if if Renaissance re Renaissance would I would go to them or the gentleman who did the Purvis house. He's he's out of Muskego. And have him come into it. I had his grandkids in my class. So And

have you gotten for that Brava tile install, have you gotten multiple estimates for that?

No. I just got from Bulldog. And we were talking. He says, there's a newer product out on the market. I I wanna get some information on it. So I ordered a sample kit and I think I got my sample kit of the tiles before Bulldog did. Because Matt came over and he goes, John, I got the samples. I said, do they look like this? So I mean, it's a little different than what was in that catalog because I wanted to see pictures always make it a little different. That's that's a little different picture. And they come in varying widths, but I don't want the varying widths. I want the same tile. And I called about the edge pieces. I said, we going to get something to cover the edges? I want it to look exactly the same.

And you can see the trim pieces on the edges, little end pieces that they're pain in the neck to keep on. And I said, make sure we're using copper nails because that's what was in there initially. And so we're putting the copper nails in it.

Is that attic vented? Are there is there gonna be a like a ridge vent piece?

Or They're putting in it's gonna be a vent on the top. Mhmm. And they're putting in six new soffit vents. Six additional soffit vents. If you looked at the house, there's only four. There's two on the east side and two on the west side. And I said it needs more vents. Yeah. And somebody told me you had to get the cup style gutters. That was what there was the case style. Mhmm. I'm keeping it, you know, what it was.

I think

Initially, when I put new doors on, the storm doors, the front doors, they told me that I couldn't do arched glass, the historic commission, whatever. And I said, well, the doors I have are arched. Well, those are legal doors. What what do I have to have? Square ones. Okay. So we put on the square ones. So

Yeah. I would think because this isn't a typical shingle roof and if this I don't know. I I would be cautious to have hire somebody do this for the first time on such a large roof and such a large a large cost. Just be very, very mindful of that because, I mean, you obviously done a ton of work on your house that I think multiple estimates is not the worst thing. I

don't know. It's almost like it's back to stage one. It's just like, okay. I already gave Bulldog $15,000. How much of that am I gonna lose if I decide to go a different direction too?

That's an important detail. Does anybody else have any questions or comments? No? I'd love to hear from my fellow commissioners your opinions on if we should approve cons what would you I just wanna hear opinions on before we put a motion to the table.

Yeah. I'm I mean, in in in my opinion, understanding there's not a product out there that's gonna match exactly in a reasonable way as far as most people's perspectives go. I mean, the light with the light color, I think it's something we could approve.

My comments include, he's done all the research and I think he's pretty much exhausted. Is that

the correct word? I'm gonna

have the

gin and tonic. Okay. I'm I'm supportive of what Carmen is suggesting, but our new commissioner, I forgot your name already, Tony, is being the first time this particularly with this first time with this product, all the things that are under the felt and all the you don't even know what's under there. That's just or the only that's the only two things I have. I have no problem with the product. I suggest you buy a lot of it just for spares, but I I'm I'm fine with the way Carmen is talking about.

No. I'm at you. We're we're stuck where we are. Or he's stuck where he is.

Okay. So I am going to make a motion to approve the Brava tile with the caveat that if you change to something else, you come back and let us know. We, as a commission, recommend you to be very cautious with the installation process and and that you take responsibility for what the material and the product is based on the fact that this is the only thing that is available to you. I I make a motion to approve this COA as presented, including the copper gutters and the chimney boot. And I'm looking for a second.

In copper tonsils?

All of it. As presented. Mhmm.

I'll second that.

Matt will second that.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Sir, I wish you the best of luck.

Thank you.

I promise you I might be in a jeep in front of your house taking a look soon.

I'll be watching.

Stop on stop on by. Yeah. I'll give you the guided tour.

That'd be great. But seriously, thank you so much for all of your efforts with this home. Your congratulations to your wife. If you need us in anything else in the future, I tell everybody we are here to advocate and support you. And so please use that as part of the services that Walker Shell provides, and I can't wait to see it.

I will let you know.

Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you very Good luck. Take care.

Thank you. Thank you.

Alright. And we're moving on to the alderman's report.

Do we wanna

talk about

this before

we go? We

Do we wanna hold

not here.

Do we wanna officially hold, Wolf?

Do we do we need to put a motion to move 305 McCall up to the next, because the person didn't show up to put it to the next agenda.

You can if you want to.

Okay.

Let's just It doesn't matter. No. Let's just leave it at this, and and and then, Charlie, you'll communicate with them. And if they wanna come back, put them back on the agenda.

Yep.

Perfect.

Thank you, Carmen. Thank you. Last two, if not three, alderman meetings, common council. I recommend watching the videos and strongly encouraged anyone that comes to chambers to talk to us that they show up with their ideas and just basically be there because we we have a lot of great things on the agenda, but we have to keep putting them off. And pretty soon, it's it'd be October. So that was basically, you have something in the agenda, please show up.

We get it. Charlie, if you wanna give us a springs report.

Yep. The only thing I have for the springs is, as you can see, we've had a little little bit less rain, I guess, lately, and must have just whatever was clogging up the drain for Hobo Spring has has gotten out, so the spring has drained down to the proper water level. So this is for those of you who are new, Hobo Springs in Frame Park. It's open to the elements, and this whole basin has been restored. The original spring, though, would have directly connected out to the river.

And it's as it is now, there's a drain. The spring actually does flow, but there's a drain that goes out to the river. And anytime the river is anytime we get a lot of rain, anytime the river's level is high or in the fall, sometimes when there's leaves, they get into the drain and they clog it up and it has to be emptied out by the public works department. We had water in basin all last winter, so there's been some muck that's accumulated. And a group of students the very

And

to to So this we're is a big improvement. This is a picture from about a week ago. It's a big improvement over what was there. So there's still obviously, it's not in perfect shape, but it's much improved.

Great. That's

it? Yep. That's all I have for that.

Perfect. Thank you. Is there anything for communications and publications?

The one thing that I have is just to note that the Wisconsin historic local history and historic preservation conference Registration is out. That'll be October 1617 this year, which is a that's a Thursday and a Friday. If any of you can make it and are interested, let me know when city can pay for your registration. In the past, it's been the city's paid registration and not hotel or transportation. You do need help with that, I can ask if there's money available. I can't guarantee anything, but I could ask.

Where is it going to be?

It's in Wisconsin Dells at the one of those casino. I think it's the Ho Chunk Casino. So it's between Wisconsin Dells and Baraboo.

Does anybody else have any comments? Anything else? Thank you, everybody. Welcome to our new members, and we are happy to have you here.

I guess the one thing Julie Scrapaggi apologized for not being able to be here. She said she wanted to just thank you all and said she had really really enjoyed her time on the commission too.

Great.

And we publicly thank Julie.

I'm sorry?

And we publicly thank Julie for her time here on the board.

Yes. For sure. We thank them all.

And would like to see them back for the spring's report since I know they're still involved in that. Yeah. Do do we have to have assigned somebody from this commission to the Springs? And do we have to look at Carmen's position and all that? Because, obviously, it's wonderful and we want her to stay, but it's really we should once a year so that she can say, I wanna do something else.

We we can put that on an agenda to vote on the chair. Actually, we don't I mean, the vice chair, I guess, is technically still Cassie Rodriguez, who hasn't been on the Landmark's mission since fall. So that is probably something that

Well, out of town, different county.

Is she? You'd have to check your

ordinance to see how the this commission was set up.

Yeah.

To see how you

would get something.

Cemetery, we vote for the chair and the vice chair. Yeah.

That's how the voting has happened in the past. So I'm pretty sure that's how the ordinance I'll have to double check. But if you'd like nominate. Yeah. We can can put that on the agenda for next.

Yeah. That sounds great. Do it. So Marty can be the next one.

Great idea, Marty.

You brought it up. You brought it up. I think it's a fabulous idea.

Are we adjourned?

We are adjourned. Thank you, everybody. Have a great night.