Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

Marty.

Marty Larson.

Andrea Dorantes. Carmen Delapaz.

Mike Christine. Tony Lanza.

I'll open it up for any public comments today. Nobody here? Great. Thank you so much. Moving on to the approval of minutes for item number 26Dash03187 minutes of 03/11/2026.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Thank you. A second? I'll second.

I'm abstaining, so because I wasn't here, so

Oh, I wasn't here. Aye.

Aye. Abstain.

Perfect. So we will take this up again at next month's meeting. Perfect. Thank you so much. And we're moving on to Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant funds. Item number 26Dash03397, paint and repair grant updates for April 2026.

Alright. So as you know, paint and repair grants are approved at an increasing scale up to a maximum of $3,000 typically about 15% of the cost of a project. But the Landmark Commission may use their discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability or any other circumstances. For 2026, we have $25,000 available And we have been told by the county that they do not expect to have a delay this year. We don't have the contract signed yet, but they've told us that it's certain enough that we don't have to delay approving paint repair grants.

So we they're basically, they're working on the contract now. So we will have the money available this year, and you can approve grants as of this month if you choose to. We do have $6,432 leftover from two incomplete projects from 2025. I did talk to both of those applicants, and both of them told me that they expect the work to be done in the near future. They said they're both on schedules with their respective companies for early in the spring.

And one of them actually has some of the work done and we may be able to get the grant out to him based on the amount of money that he spent so far. And you have not approved any grants yet. So you have the whole $25,000 available. And just to note that approvals will need to be conditional on approval from the county and from the SHPO compliance. And as of this year, we have sort of a new standard for approving a grant.

It'll have to be a spot, slum or blight designation, which is does not mean that there's slum or blights that's currently existing on the house that the grant is for. It just means that the work is preventing or it can just mean that the work is preventing future condition of slum or blight. So in other words, it can't be for work that is purely aesthetic, but it can be for work that is something that's essential to the house. The I guess, the positive for that is any property in that's historically designated can be eligible for a paint repair grant. So the we don't have any currently in the Cables Park Historic District, but those ones would be eligible this year for the first time.

I've got a question. When you said it's for cosmetic or not for cosmetic only, so is paint cosmetic only or not?

I mean it's up to you guys to determine that. I would say paint for on a historic feature like wood or we do have one for stucco tonight that I've had a recommendation for approval for, I guess. Paint for something like that that it keeps it waterproof and it keeps it in condition over good condition over time. If it's on newer siding or something like that, then it probably would be more purely aesthetic. That be my opinion. Guess it's up to you guys to discuss how you want to go ahead with it.

Makes sense. Great. Thank you. So we're gonna move on to new business. Item number 26Dash03186 Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness for 245 North Barstow Street. We're gonna review a request by Carroll University to demolish the nonhistoric physical therapy building at 245 North Barstow Street and replace it with a new business school, and this is the College Avenue Historic

this Alright. So this is the the whole main Carroll University campus. That's all one big property, and it's all part of the College Avenue Historic District. The area or the building in question that the applicant is planning to demolish is at sort of the Northwest corner of that whole block. It's at Barstow just to the south of the bike trail.

The building that's existing now is a one story white metal building that has been used for the Carroll's physical therapy classes. And here it is from the campus side. You can see there's a pretty big parking lot there as well. And then the applicants have provided some photos from Barstow Street from the north and from the south. So this is the building that the university is proposing to demolish.

They've noted the four buildings towards the south of that campus block. Three of them are the main historic campus buildings, Old Main Hall, Rankin Hall and Voorhees Hall, along with Ganfield Gymnasium. Those buildings are the four historic buildings on the Carroll campus. And those are all pivotal within the College Avenue Historic District. The fourth building that they have highlighted here is Hastad Hall, which is at the corner of College and Barstow.

That's one of the newer buildings on the campus. And it was approved by the Landmarks Commission when it was built in, I believe, 2018. It was designed to be consistent with the architecture of those historic buildings, but to not look older than it is. So they've used those four buildings as inspiration for this proposed building. So this is the new proposed Sullivan School of Business Engineering and Technology.

It'd be a three story classroom building. As you can see, it has a tan masonry siding and a red roof similar to the other campus buildings. The applicants have noted that it steps back from the street. So there are some one story portions that are closer to the street and then the larger mass of the building is further back, and I feel that integrates with the neighborhood. So you can see that in this floor plan.

This is the 1st Floor. You can see some larger classroom building or classroom space as well as a big auditorium. And then as you go further up to the 2nd Floor, it's a much smaller footprint. And then the 3rd Floor, they have not given detail of the interior for in this submittal, but it is interesting to note, they plan to add an outdoor classroom at this southwest corner there, sort of a patio space that will look out over Barstow Street and over their football field. So those of you who've been on the Plan Commission for a while might remember this coming for approval in 2024.

So this was what was proposed at that point. It was very similar in terms of the style of the building. It had more of a stone siding and at that time had a slate red slate roof. So the change from that design is mostly replacing the siding with tan colored brick and then the roof with shingles, which will still be red colored. So here it is from the campus side.

So there's large sections of glass, which are more of a modern style that differentiates it from the historic buildings and sets it apart so that it doesn't necessarily look like it's trying to mimic them. And then also, obviously, the stone is an accent feature both on the barstow and on this side. So that's the elevation of the whole of that whole side of the building. So here's the examples that they've used for the materials. So there's the natural limestone that you could see as the accent, the tan colored brick, which is the bulk of the siding and then there's some also some cast architectural stone as accents in other areas and then the asphalt roof shingles.

And then just to note, the roof has a section on the it has a mechanical section, which will be covered up by then screened by the slope roof. And then the last thing is they plan to reconfigure the interior portion of the campus behind the building and add a lot of green space there. They have a separate project over on Maple where they'll be expanding some parking. So they'll be reducing the parking that's in this lot quite a bit. And the main entrance and exit of the parking lot over on East Avenue will be moved a little further away from the health sciences health and wellness building, which is in the McCall Street Historic District.

They'll be moved closer to the McCall Street Intersection, but it won't quite line up. So it's a little bit better for safety and driving purposes, but not quite lined up. So again, this is a new three story business engineering and technology building, replacing the existing non historic building. And since 2024, they've changed the siding and the shingles for the roof.

Great. Do we have somebody here from Carol? Hi there. If you could state your name, please.

Justin Hageman, Keller Slater, architect on the project.

Thank you.

Tom Hefner for Carroll University.

How are you?

Good. Yourself?

Good. Thanks. Is there anything else you'd like to state other than what Charlie has already addressed?

No. Think he's reviewed it.

Yeah. Nothing additional.

Anybody have any questions?

I'm just trying to excuse me.

I'm sorry?

Over here. Yay.

Yes.

Way over here. Did we approve it the last time they came? Okay. So we're just reapproving with those changes?

Yep.

Okay.

Thank you. I talked to a lot of alum that went to your facility, including was inside of this facility. Soon as I read that it was approved by landmarks in the past and planning commission, the durable list of goods, it fits in with the neighborhood. It's an improvement of that entire I think it'll raise the beauty of the entire neighborhood. I mean, I park in that parking lot a a lot, not as much as I used to, but just from the improvements in the parking lot.

The building as it is, it's I mean, I wasn't a student there, but the students I and graduates I've talked to there, they were in that facility and it needs a lot of everything, plumbing improvements, ADA improvements and this addresses it all. But just a durable list of goods and the style of it, I think it's a great improvement to the neighborhood from the parking lot to the facility itself. So I'm in favor of it.

Anybody else have any questions? No?

What's your time like what's the groundbreaking? When is that starting? And how long do think the project will June and completion for August 2027.

Any other questions?

I think it'll look awesome.

Well, you guys have been doing such a great job. And I think I've been on the commission six years now and it's been a pleasure to see all the wonderful things you guys are doing.

Thank you.

Does anybody else have anything else to add? I will take a motion on this then.

I will motion to approve ID 2603186.

Do I have a second?

As listed. Yeah.

Do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Great. Thank you so much. We look forward to seeing the next one.

Okay. Moving on to item number 2603189 Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness for 225 West Laughlin Avenue. Review a a consultation for repainting of the house, College Avenue Historic District.

Alright. 225 West Laughlin Avenue is on the south side of Laughlin Avenue, just a couple of houses in from South Grand Avenue. It's the very western edge of the Laughlin Avenue Historic District. And it is the Nina and Richard Roberts House, which was built in 1920 and has craftsman style architecture, and it is considered to be contributing in the district. It has stucco siding, and the applicants would like to paint the siding and also do some repairs of minor cracks.

You can see it's the paint has kind of faded and the colors have shifted. And then there are a few sections of cracks. They don't believe there will be any major repairs that are needed, But they do plan to do minor repairs to the exterior and then also paint the siding. They don't have a specific color yet, but they do have a scheme that they're considering. So those are all colors that would be they believe would be consistent with the history.

They did note in their application that they had replaced the roof. So I just wanted to note they hadn't realized that, that needed approval. I just wanted to note that the roof that they used, it looks like the shingles would be consistent with the

year.

We'll with with And No? I guess not.

Okay. Well, Marty?

How do we consult?

That's right. Well, I wanna know what the what they want for the consultant consultation.

Right. It's it's mostly just, you know, do do those colors seem consistent? Does the, you know, does the painting? It's we would require a consultation for a paint repair grant if there's not if it wouldn't normally need a COA.

Okay.

So

yeah.

So is the certificate of appropriateness for the paint job then?

Yeah.

Okay. Great. Got it. So alright. Well, you know, I think that in the past, we've all kind of not voted unless there's somebody here to ask questions. And

My comment to that is it makes a difference in my eyes if it's an emergency repair and it's the October, but it's it's springtime. So they have some time to come back and visit us. That's my opinion on that.

Yeah. And it's from the images, there's nothing urgent, really. Any other thoughts?

I do know these these colors do align with the historical those Sherwin Williams is starting with the '2 eights are all for of their historical color palette. So I think as far as which color, it doesn't really matter because I think they all fall under that

Yeah.

Historical color pattern.

Agreed. But we'd like to have a representative here before we actually go ahead and give out the certificate of appropriateness. So if you would kindly invite them back next month, we would love to see them.

I certainly can do that.

Thanks, Charlie. Appreciate that. So we're agreement in that? Everybody's good with that? Yeah.

Marty? Yep. Do we have to put a motion to hold it till next?

That'd probably be it.

A motion to hold.

Okay. I'll second the motion to hold with request to have the homeowner present. Thanks, Charlie. Yep. So moving on to item twenty six dash zero three one nine zero Landmarks Commission Paint and Repair Grant.

Oh, no. We're gonna move that one along too. Gonna add that one to the other one. Moving down to item number 26Dash03228 Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness for 1315 East Broadway. We're gonna review a request to replace the front porch, and this is the East Broadway Historic District.

Alright. 1315 East Broadway is on the South Side Of Broadway, just to the east of Porter Avenue. It's on the very eastern edge of the city, and it is in the East Broadway Historic District. And this house does not have a historic name, but it was built in 1922. It has a vernacular architectural style, but it is considered to be contributing.

And the existing porch, the applicants believe is original to the house. The porch itself, it's a concrete porch with concrete stairs. So they've provided a layout of the porch. And as you can see, it's cracking in several places. It's settling.

They believe the foundation was not done correctly. So they'd like to replace the porch in its entirety and then also replace the railing. The railing was replaced in the 1960s, so it is not historic. So they'll be replacing both the porch itself and the railing. They've given a couple of options for the railing style.

There's Tuscany style, which is just a standard railing with spindles and then Riviera, which has a second level there. Both of them are black metal, similar to the existing railing. So these are photos of examples of those railing. This is the Tuscany style in a different building and then the Riviera style installed in the building. And then this is a rendering with the it looks like the Riviera style railing on the porch and then with the porch replaced.

They also plan to widen the stairs on the porch to the full width of the length of the stairs, where currently there's a sort of a vertical layer in between. Otherwise, the porch would be the same dimensions as the existing one. So again, this is removing and replacing the existing portion in its entirety. The new porch will be generally matching the existing dimensions. And the new railing will be the Tuscany or Riviera style black metal.

And just a note for this one, a building permit is required.

Great. Thank you so much. So homeowner here for this home. Hi. Welcome. Please state your name and your address for the records.

Gene Stevens, 1315 East Broadway.

How are you?

I'm good. Thank you.

Good. Thanks for joining us. Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated?

No, other than we're really the second owner of the house. The builder sold it to us or to my parents and I took possession of the house two years ago. The porch from what all that we know from the original owner is original. There have been squirrels and raccoons living under it. So I'm sure that's deteriorated the what foundation it may have had, although I don't think it had much other than the lip.

The porch has been painted several times. We don't plan to paint it, just leave it the concrete. Original railing was a Victorian railing that was replaced in the sixties, which certainly didn't match the house. The current railing sort of, but we don't plan on doing any scroll work or anything because I don't think that matches the house either. We had options to do artificial wood decking instead. Don't think that would fit the appropriateness of what's been there.

Great. Does anybody else have any questions?

It comes to the spindles, do you care which one? I mean are you

I'm leaning towards the one with the extra layer on it just because it's a little different than what was there, but I put it both in there for you guys to tell me.

Thank you.

And the architect's not here to say which one is more appropriate and maybe you know.

I mean, I think that the house has such a nondes nondescript style to it that it's really up to personal aesthetics. I'd I'd like the second layer from just a design aesthetics.

So does Mike.

Yes. It's different and it dresses it up a little bit. It makes it more elegant if that's an appropriate

Certainly without the scroll work though.

Yes. No, not the scroll work. But I I that's my opinion. Does anybody else have any questions?

We hope to I've got a contractor who's also doing the driveway and he plans to start in mid May.

Great. Wonderful.

Hopefully, it only takes a couple weeks.

Mhmm. It doesn't rain.

I have a wedding reception on the June 13. There? On the backyard. Alright. I need the driveway.

Well, we will send good energy your way for sure. We got good mojo, I think, in this group. So

Does the does the landscaping kinda just cover right around it? Or is it are you kinda extending it around the house then?

The landscaping would remain as it was in the pictures. We'll just rebuild it.

There

was originally a hill type thing in where the stonework was for the front part of it and that became a hassle for anybody to mow or anything. So in the 70s, it was redone as a stone wall. And we plan to keep that. I'll just have landscaper back in after they're done and rebuild it.

Are these estimates these are the estimated costs or you have received?

That was the estimated cost from one of the contractors I chose. The second one comes in about $1,000 less. Guess which one gets it? It's the $1,000 less. Because the whole driveway is going to cost me close to $50,000 I really yes, I could use another 1,000

For sure. For sure. Great. Does anybody else have any comments, questions, concerns? Okay. I'm looking for a motion on this, please. I'll make a motion for the certificate of appropriateness for 1315 East Broadway as listed to remove and replace existing porch in its entirety. New porch to be poured with concrete to match existing dimensions, new railing with the selection choice of the homeowner, and a building permit to be instituted.

I'll second as read.

Thank you.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. You're approved.

Do want me to stay for the grant?

Yeah. If you'd like to. I mean, no, you can you can be comfortable.

Well, I'm comfortable.

No. You could stay where

I'm I've taught school for twenty years. I'm comfortable.

Sure. You might be more comfortable if we give you some money.

Don't care. We'll find out.

Yes. Thank you so much. Okay. Moving on to item 2,603,229 Landmarks Commission Paint and Repair Grant for 1315 East Broadway.

All right. So this is the cost that they've provided. They've noted that the total will be $24,000 The $12,000 would be for the porch concrete, 8,000 for the railings and then $4,000 for the landscape. Typically, the landscape wouldn't be included. I don't believe that was included in the paint repair grant application itself.

So that would come to $20,000 without the landscaping. So the rationale that I had kind of included in the cover sheet for this is a porch is essential for egress for the house. If it was allowed to continue to deteriorate, that ultimately could go away, and then that would be a significant debt to rent for the House.

Thoughts, anyone?

Go ahead. No.

I guess I'm just a little confused still about the total cost for just the concrete and the railings without the landscaping.

Yeah. So, yeah, I guess the porch was

It's 18,000 in the past or the 12,000 and the 8,000.

It was the 12 and

the 8,000.

12,000 the

8,000.

See 4.

The $44,000 is for the landscaping.

Right. Here, you can see it right here actually. This is so it's 12 for the porch. I'm looking at this and it doesn't Yeah. And then the 4 goes away and the 8 for the railing. That would make the total a 20. That makes sense. What I'm looking at here didn't make sense. There you go. So do we have any suggestions for this? Marty?

Well, since we're early in the game and so early bird gets the worm

That's right.

I'm going to make a recommendation of a $3,000 paint and repair grant for this project.

I'll second that.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Perfect. There you are, sir.

Thank you.

Enjoy. I hope you're more comfortable now. Okay. Moving on. Number 2603232 Landmarks Commission certificate of appropriateness for 510 McCall Street, review a request to replace the storm windows. This is the McCall Street Historic District.

Alright. So 510 McCall Street is on the North side of McCall Street between Hartwell Avenue and Buckner Court. It's kind of on the east eastern edge of McCall Street Historic District. And this is the Samuel and Jenny Breeze house, which was built in 1916. And it has arts and crafts style with stucco siding, and it is considered to be contributing within the historic district.

And the applicants are looking to replace several storm windows. These are wood storm windows. So you can see them. This is a set of four windows on the 1st Floor. The existing storms are in a fairly deteriorated state.

So they would like to replace them with new storms that will match the dimensions of the existing ones. And then there are also several storms on the 2nd Floor. And we've had a number of windows that were replaced in the past by the company Thoughtful Craftsman. These the proposal is from an independent contractor who I believe has worked with Thoughtful Craftsman in the past and has used similar method. And he's proposing to use the Ikoya wood for the replacement.

So the proposal is to replace storm windows on the front 1st Floor and on the 2nd Floor, and then the new windows will be wood frame to match the existing, and they'll also match the color of the existing. And they'll use they'll use the Sequoia wood, so they'll have longer durability.

Great. Do we have the homeowners for this one? If you could please come forward and state your name and your address. Thank you.

We're we're

an easy crowd.

I promise. Thank you.

Your name and your address, please.

Leslie Loves, and I live at 510 McCall Street. Thank

you. Welcome. Thank you. Is there anything that you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated today?

No. He's done a pretty good job. When we bought the house twenty five years ago well, it's been quite a few years. There were never any storm windows. So the ones upstairs, the four of them, they're windows in your closet. So I have actually insulation in there and then I well put window insulation over just to keep it halfway warm. I wasn't realizing that there was someone at a fairly decent cost that could replace the windows. So yeah, the front windows

are

actually, they don't fit at all. They kind of pieced in some extra parts where the double bar is.

Yes. I was gonna ask about

that. Yeah. It's not a double bar. No. There's a picture of the inside of the window.

Yep. That one. Yeah.

So there's a storm with the little wooden clappers that open up for those holes. And then they fit them in with screws so the railings don't match at all. And the other window that's darker, you have that arch. Well all I have in the inside of my house is styrofoam when I look out. So yeah, it's pretty ugly. Look

at the windows, you

Yeah.

And how is your new window contractor gonna handle that area?

He is building them. He'll be coming in and making custom

To include that angle? Yes. So then on the inside, you won't have styrofoam. You'll have a window. Yes. Imagine that.

After twenty five years. Awesome.

Well, we won't

have that step up that you see there here.

Yeah. So and that'll be nice.

Right. It'll go straight across and then angled.

Well, actually

Actually, the middle ones will have an angle to it too.

Oh, good.

See? All

the That's way great.

Yes. So those corner pieces where the Styrofoam in will be out and then these actually the two on the ends are more obvious that they don't fit. The other two are kinda shorter but not. So

So are the ones on the outside for the two squares where the bars are off, will that be one pane or are they going to plan to put a bar to match where the other one is?

So put a bar to match where the other ones are. So it'll be straight all the way across and even. Perfect. Yes.

Great. I bet you're excited about that. I am. That's gonna

look sharp. It is. I love the house.

Yes. It's a very nice house.

Yeah. We set out on the porch and I can't tell you how many people have come by over the years and go, I love your porch.

Oh, that's great. Yes. That's great. Well, this is gonna be a beautiful upgrade for you. Yes. I'm very happy for you. And the Acoya Wood, the thoughtful craftsman came to us last year and gave us a whole education on that. Oh. And it's a wonderful new process that they're doing to wood to not have it be rotting as quickly in in it's it's insect repellent. So it's like really good stuff.

Okay.

Does anybody have any comments, thoughts, Tony?

I was just gonna say that once those storms come off, I don't know if you need reglazing on the windows themselves, but if you, while they're there, it probably would make sense to have them do that?

Yes. That's part of the plan. The upper windows, like I said, it's only in old houses that you have windows in your closet. So it's very unique too.

Mike? No questions? Marty question?

Was married.

My dear, no questions? I have no other questions other than that architectural element of this and what you guys were gonna do with that gap at the top. Yeah. So I'm happy you're following that Mhmm. Line.

Okay.

It's gonna look great.

I think so. Mhmm.

Okay. So I'd love a motion for this. Somebody would like to offer one.

I motion to approve 2603232 as proposed.

And I'll take a second. Anybody want a second? I'll second. Thank you.

All in favor. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Perfect. Thank you. So your windows have been your certificate of appropriateness has been approved. And we're gonna move on to item 25Dash03233, Landmarks Commission paint and repair grant for 510 McCall Street.

Alright. So they had two separate estimates for this. This this is for the the 1st Floor windows, four custom arch topped fixed decoy windows. That's for $5,111 and then three in-one, I guess, which comes out to a total of $5,206 So that's in total is $10,318 which 15% of that $10,000 would be $15.48 dollars

Yes, go ahead. Hang on, Charlie. We've got it.

Okay.

This is for the total of the arch windows.

Okay. And then

then

3,299. Okay. So it's 5,206 plus $3,299 So I guess I misread that total. So that would be $8,500 about.

Yes, I don't like my classes.

Yes, $3,299 So so a total of about $8,500 So that 15% would be a little different. Guess we'd have to I don't know if somebody can do the math on the fly here.

But we have the discretion to go higher if we want. Yes. Okay. So I'm going to make a motion for a $1,500 paint and repair grant for these windows as they're going above and beyond just fixing, but bringing back the house to what it was meant to be. Great.

I'll second that.

I guess just before you vote, just to have it stated, you know, for the federal standards, the, I guess, rationale that that I had in the, you know, that I had been considering was a storm window protects the windows underneath. Right. Which are we've all seen what happens when those windows are not maintained. So

Right. Yeah. So how do you want me to reword that somehow?

Just so that it's out there, I guess.

That we have the the standards. Yeah. Included in the motion. So I'm gonna include the standards in the motion. Okay. That that the windows are those storm windows are there to protect the original windows. And actually, now you can see the original window because they're taking away what was blocked in the past.

Good? Yep.

Awesome. I'll take a second. Anybody wanna second that? I'll second it. Yeah.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Great. Thank you so much. Enjoy your new windows. They're gonna look beautiful. Okay. So we're moving on to the alderman's report.

Discussion of action of I'm

sorry? Oh, I'm so sorry. I missed one. 2603192. And I did have dinner, so I'm not hungry. I'm not excused for that. Discussion and action on twenty twenty six Landmarks Awards. Sorry, Charlie. I missed it.

That's alright. So we did not receive any nominations for Landmarks Awards. I do have some ideas for you to consider in case you wanted to think about it. I just wanna make the point every year it seems like with Landmarks Awards, somebody asks, can we, you know, do something? You know, you can do whatever you want when it comes to the Landmarks Awards. You can nominate something out of the blue. You can say, we don't wanna do it without somebody something having been numb you it's all up to you.

So the Landmarks Awards is really just all about us. Right? Right.

Exactly. So the couple ideas that I had that seemed like they would they would probably maybe be appropriate for Certificate of Merit. So I guess just as a reminder, Landmark's awards, there's the John Schenknecht Award, which is sort of somebody that's multiple significant restoration projects or has made a tangible contribution to historic preservation in Waukesha. The George Gunn award is typically a full restoration of a historic property. And then the Landmark's Mission Certificate of Merit is something that doesn't necessarily rise to those standards, but it's still worthy of recognition.

And John Shanken and George Gunn were both longtime Landmark's Mission members. 242 North Hartwell is, I guess, the first of those the ones that I thought might be appropriate. This was they were looking to repair the built in gutters. The gutters were very significant to the integrity of the house. It's a prairie style house, that the angle of the roof is important.

It has built in gutters, which were in very rough condition. And they had some different ideas of ways to do that, that were cost effective. And ultimately, they end up doing a very significant repair project and ended and putting in copper covers or yes, exactly, to protect the gutters. Now they did it over two years.

The

other, I guess, idea is 323 or well, one of the two others is 323 McCall Street. This is Darren and Mary Lou Lillian. They had a very small approval last year, but they've come to the Landmarks Commission four or five times over the years for different projects. They've replaced the roof. They repainted the house.

They replaced storm windows. They've always been very easy to work with in both 2022 and 2023. They came when the landmark commission was discussing the it was the last kind of the last bits of the paint repair grant fund that were available. And they, in both cases, got up and voluntarily said, we don't need it. We'll we don't you guys don't need to give us anything.

We'll let it all go to the other projects. This past year, they had a very small project and I kind of encouraged them to apply just so that we could get them some money finally. And they actually sent a thank you note for the paint repair grant. So I think I had forwarded that to you guys. So hopefully, you got it.

And then the other one that I thought was worth suggesting is 132134 West Laughlin Avenue. In this case, she had replaced all of the or a lot of the windows and had done it in such a way that maintained the dimensions and the style of the existing windows and then also replaced the porch. So you might remember the previous porch was a smaller concrete, not original. And then and this was added just kind of over the top of that. And it has a is much more appropriate for the style of the house.

So I thought those were some significant projects that were worth consideration. And again, you all can there's no standards that you have to apply. It's really whatever you think is best.

Thank you, Charlie. Do we have to decide this month or do we decide next month?

Well, typically the awards ceremony is

In May, right?

Yes. That the first council meeting in May. That May is historic preservation month. So it's sort of both to give out to recognize good projects and also to kind of celebrate historic preservation for the city as a whole.

Based on all the information and the photos provided, and I remember two of these three, I'm not biased on any of them, but based on the scope of work and the generosity of, hey, we're just letting you know what we're doing. It And was like almost a whole house was redone. I recommend the 323 McCall Street. And then I remember working with the 132 and 134 Laughlin, just the whole the attention to detail on the porch, the sconces, the scones, the features that make that house so unique considering it's two different addresses. So I recommend 323 McCall Street and then the Laughlin Avenue project for some type of award based on the scope of work and how they turned out.

That's my recommendation.

I definitely am on board with this one, 132134 West Laughlin and the other ones for the combination of the generosity and the scope of the work. Now the question is which one we give to who basically?

I think we can give a merit everybody.

I'm sorry?

It could be a merit to everybody.

Yeah. That too.

It doesn't have to be We did that

last year. Didn't

we? Think you have done multiple I think multiple certificates of merit and George Okay. Con

Ideas? Marty? Sorry, Mike.

No. Go ahead.

Go

ahead. No. I was just saying, you know, the merit award for each three and for exactly the reasons you went through in the presentation.

I like the, I I I read about them in the paper for as long as I've lived here. There's there's a column and everything. The I'm not gonna say his name. I recommend, 323, McCall Street for the Shukert Award. I apologize for the name. I recommend that one.

Shake and act.

That's it. Thank you.

Okay.

I said I was not going to do well. But I recommend that one for many, many obvious reasons because he wrote so many articles about that scope of work and historic on it. That's why I recommend that one for the 323 Wall Street.

Great. That makes a lot of sense. So for the Schenk and Ink award, we'll do that one. And then the other two can get merit awards. Everybody is good with that. I'm sorry, hon?

Sure.

The

Schenk and Nick award and 242 North Hartwell thank you, honey. 132134 West Laughlin for the Merit Awards. 242 North Hartwell.

I'll make a motion for 242 North Hartwell Avenue, and I'll make a motion for the 132134 West Laughlin for the Merit Awards and 323 McCall Street for the Shakenek Awards so we can get this moved on for

And I I second that.

Time in May. Great job, team. And thank you, Charlie, for, selecting those great examples.

Thanks, Charlie. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Now we're moving on to the alderman's report.

Thank you. In case you guys hadn't heard, I think we had an allow I know we had an election here. In the city of Waukesha, we have two new alders and a new mayor. The reason I bring this up is the mayor appoints appointments, and my appointment is up in less than a month. In case I am no longer on this, I just wanna thank you guys. I already knew about the process, but I didn't get this involved. You guys helped me get on board right away how you guys do things, and I learned a lot about the system. I hope I can continue to serve on this. I'm on a total of five committees and commissions though, and that's that's too many. So anyways, I really, really thank you guys for the work and all the things you guys bring to the table.

And it's like, you know, just when you think, oh, then someone will ask a question, like, didn't think of that. So I'm really proud to work with you guys, and I'm very proud to serve with you guys for my term. So thank you.

Well, thank you. Thank you for your time here as well as everything else you do with your four other assigned commissions. You are far better

than us. No.

No. No. It's it's the passion. It's why I do it. We all

have passions.

We all apply our passions in different ways, and I love serving the city that has treated my family so well over these years.

Wonderful. Well, thank you. Okay. And we're moving on to the Springs report.

So I have not had time to really do much related to the Springs. It's been a very busy month, unfortunately. I do tentatively, I guess, I was looking at May 30 for the springs cleanup. We'd like to do it in May, if possible, and that seems like the best weekend that would work for that. And I've contacted the Parks Department about whether their volunteer trailer is available.

I still need to contact them about Hobo Spring and getting that cleaned up and see what's what they can and can't do there. So that hopefully, will have more updates on that for the next meeting.

Sounds good. Moving on to communications and publications.

The only one that I have is the WAPAC conference, which is so that's a smaller conference than the one in the fall that's put on by the State Historical Society. WAPAC is the Wisconsin Association of Historic Preservation Commissions. So they have their conference April 2324 in Sturgeon Bay. There's also a I believe it's a one day conference in June in Fond Du Lac that's it's called CAMP. It's Commissioner Assistance Mentoring Program, I think is what it stands for.

And that's it's a sort of a kind of a one day training and all the standards that historic preservation commissions are supposed to apply. I know Linda had asked me to forward the information and I had forgotten to send that as well. Again, sorry, it's been a very busy month. But I'll get that out to you hopefully tomorrow.

Awesome. When is that one scheduled?

The one in Fond Du Lac is, I think it's in June. I I have to check that again.

Okay.

Thank you. Anything else, Charlie?

That's it.

Okay. Anybody else have anything else? Comments, questions, concerns? Thank you everyone. This meeting is adjourned.