Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

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Hello everybody. Welcome, it's nice to have everybody all back together. We always seem to be missing one or two. So it's nice. Thank you all. Good evening. Officially starting this meeting. This is the city of Waukesha Landmarks Commission. Today is 04/02/2025. I'm going to start with roll call. If Marty would start us off, please.

Marty Larson.

Julie Scarpaji. Jennifer Wall. Carmen Delapaz.

Matt Retzak.

Aaron Spencer.

Beth Molson.

Perfect. And I'd like to start with any public comment today. No public comment. Moving on to approval of minutes. I'm looking for a motion please.

I move to approve the minutes.

I'll second.

Aye.

No for minutes. Oh.

Abstain. That's why that's why I was asking. Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Meeting minutes have been approved. We're moving right on to Landmark Commission paint and repair grant funds, and Charlie's gonna bring us up to speed.

Alright. So as you know, Landmark's Motion and Pain Repair Grants are approved on an increasing scale up to roughly 15% of the cost of a project, up to a maximum of $3,000 Landmark Commission may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability and any other circumstances. We do expect to receive $25,000 in paint and repair grant funds for this year. Unfortunately, we're still waiting to find out if that will for sure happen. If we don't have it by next month, I will definitely have an update for you on the timing.

I'll try to as much as I possibly can because by that point, we really do want to be able to start proving these. There we do have $2,850 leftover and two grants from last year. I did talk to both of the grantees, and both of them expected to have the work done within the next month or so. Neither of them have have gotten it done since then, but or at least that neither of them have sent me their invoices. But they did expect to get it done in the very near future.

Great. Okay. So we're moving

on to new business.

Twenty

five-five fifty Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 242 North Hartwell Avenue. We're gonna review a request to repair the built in gutters and add new copper lining, and this is the McCall Street Historic District.

Alright. 242 North Hartwell is at the corner of Hartwell And McCall Street, in the McCall Street Historic District. And it is the, Michael and Jane Coy house, which was built in 1928 and has a prairie style prairie school style architecture. It has some prominent built in gutters as well as asbestos shingles on the roof. And as you might remember from last year, Landmarks Commission approved replacing some some of the gutter lining with a new copper lining.

So these are this is all before the work had been completed last year. And then just to note, there was a a blueprint showing the the gutters as they were originally built. That that work has been done on a portion of the of the roof, about 44 feet around the the garage and some other portions. So you can see the new gutter lining or the new copper gutter lining. You can see it does extend a little bit over the front of the built in gutters, but that it does leave them intact.

And as you just to note, the previous aluminum gutter lining did also extend over in the same same manner. Didn't stand out quite as much because it was painted green, but it was a very similar profile. The benefit of the new gutters is that they are the sheets of copper are soldered together, whereas the aluminum was caulked. So the caulking had failed and the copper should last much longer than the aluminum liners. So the applicant would like to just basically complete the remaining portions of the house.

Last year, it was just 44 feet and this year. So that's 40 this is the proposal from last year to install 44 feet of copper and this year will be the remaining 133 feet.

Well, that's not entirely accurate because we installed a lot more than 44 feet last year as it turned out.

Okay.

You know, same design. It was just

Great. If you could state your name and your address.

Jim Mathey. 242 North Hartwell.

Hello.

Hi.

How are you? Welcome back. Yep. There anything you'd like to add to what Charlie already stated?

No. No. I don't think so. That's nothing it's not any different than last year. It's just more of the same kind of.

Great.

Yeah.

Well, I see no reason why we unless anybody has a question.

Well, my only question would be about the broken shingles. You can't get the ones that match anymore, Jim?

Well, no. Which what broken shingles are talking

about? It says any broken shingles will be replaced with new ones potentially colored somewhat differently is what your application says.

That yeah. I mean, that's what the contractor says because, you know, it's what it is. Although what we've done in the past was we moved some from one location to other locations. So the back of the garage that's not really visible probably has more just plain white ones because that's what existed. And so we try to make the at least the public parts of the garage match. So as best we can. But, yeah, it's just a matter of that they're not manufactured anymore and they have some, but they can only do so much because they're not really in existence anymore.

And contractors have to state that too.

Well, Exactly. That's why it's in.

To cover themselves. Yes.

I'm sure you want it to look nice so I'm not worried about it.

Well, Yes.

Does anybody else have any questions? I love the copper accent coming over. I think it's really cool.

Yeah. No. I think it's really good. And I mean, they are originally tin. Mhmm. The aluminum wrap that is that was shown in one of the pictures is part of the Jerry rig that was done over the years to try and take care of that. When we bought the house, it in fact had a board on the front of the fascia up near the top, and that was wrapped with aluminum. And when that came off, the boards were just, you know, they had just covered it up. And then wrapped it. So we replaced all the fascia boards and, again, wrapped it so that, you know, we keep the water off it as best possible.

But even that, you know, the the tin gutter is just there isn't a way to to seal them over time. It was destroying everything. So the copper fixes that. We had the first winter where we really didn't have any icicles at all.

So

Excellent. Great. So I'm looking for a motion.

Okay. I would move that we approve the COA for ID 25000550 for 2 42 North Hartwell as presented.

I second. We're

just gonna take a quick vote.

Yeah.

Whenever you're ready, Jeff.

Okay. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

The only other thing is I know you don't have any money, but I'm really here because of the grant since the certificate of appropriateness was kind of a a nonissue. But so to the extent that you can take that up and agree to it pending money that you would then subsequently then I don't know if I'm running back to try and do it again. But do what you want.

Great. Alright. Thanks. Thank you so much.

I don't see the grant on the agenda.

Yeah. We don't we don't have the we can't approve grants yet until we actually have the money. Okay. That's based on what the the county's told us at this point. But mister Mathew has noted that he would like to apply for a pain repair grant once once we do it. We do we have, I think, three that that have already applied. So, basically, I've just been telling them once we get it, if we get it, we'll it'll be first come, first served, and they'll all be reviewed in order. So

Is this part of the federal freeze that we're dealing with?

Yes. As far as I know, it was that was basically when we were told, don't give out anything until we know for sure.

So In other words, we have no idea, Jim.

No. I I kinda figured.

But here's what I I think that I think that what we we should consider is since you've been here and we would have handled it today. That once that we get that repair, we might be able to grant go through the prepare grant process without you necessarily being here as long as we put it in queue and everybody's cool with that. Yeah. So that you don't have to come back because you already did your due diligence.

Well, right. I put it in the application.

Right.

I've applied for it.

But usually we like want the people to be here and it's all this rigmarole. Right. So I'm just saying that I think it would be in everybody's best interest to allow you to queue up. And when we do get the grant fund, we'll go through the process on first come first serve and then we'll catch up to where we are. Deal?

Sounds good to me.

Great. Perfect.

Alright. Thank

you so much. Take care. Good? Alright. We're moving on to two five Dash00553 educational educational presentation presentation from thoughtful craftsman on the window restoration process.

So I I guess just to give a little bit of an introduction, we had a a question from a homeowner in one of the historic districts who had had a a window restoration project a couple of years ago and who had initially kind of been, you know, at a loss for how to how to do the right the right thing and how to get his windows restored properly and has eventually, I guess you know, he had worked with thoughtful craftsman to do the the work and has now been hired by them. And he was just saying, is there any any way to help people so they're not kind of in the same position he is? My thought is this will help all of us understand it. And then when we do get questions and it goes beyond what I can answer for people, then I can refer them to this presentation.

Perfect. Thank you so much for coming. We've appreciated and admired your work over the years. So thank you guys so much, really.

My name is Lauren. I'm the CEO of Thoughtful Craftsman. This is Joe. He's our sales lead at Thoughtful Craftsman. I'm just gonna kinda do a review of our all of our services because we provide a wide range of things. And then Joe's gonna go more into just about

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Yeah, thank you. Oh, sorry,

sorry about that. If

you could state your name and start all over again. Yes. My

name is Lauren Finn, I am the CEO of the company and this is Joe, he's our sales lead with Thoughtful Craftsman. First, I'm just gonna go through our variety of services that we offer and just with pictures just to kinda show all the different things that we can do and then Joe's also gonna talk about our consulting service and our windows. Can

I just we have kind of green screens here? Yeah. I'm gonna turn off. It shows like this button is going out there. So they're gonna take the video of them off and

then we'll find it.

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one second. Should pop off in a second here. There you go.

Okay.

Why it does this. It's odd.

So first, I'm just gonna go through a few house restorations that we've done. You know, this house needed a lot of different work and we just redid the porches. We did a full restoration of the outside and a repainting. We also have roofing services where we replaced all the cedar shingles and we did some copper roofing as well. And then additionally, we built new storm windows and did full window restoration and tuning on the inside.

This is on Milwaukee Eastside, a nationally historic registered house, and we had to redo the full porch. And so we were able to stab stabilize the columns here and rebuild the whole porch floor, reframe it. We did a lot of restoration work on the columns as well, and then we did a full paint and restoration of the house. This is one of my favorite projects that we've done. We started here.

It was in Riverwest and with the aluminum siding here and they just kinda wanted to see what was underneath their house, like underneath the siding. And so we could just kinda started with that. You know, we like to approach people with different ways especially if they have different budget that they can do or that they have. And so we just kinda started we just removed it, saw what was underneath, and then we came up with a plan as to how we were gonna address the house. So again, we just did full paint and restoration and that paint and restoration includes stripping the full paints, restoring any of the siding with Avatron epoxy that Joe will talk about later.

And again, just the new cedar shingles and new storm windows and installed new windows as well. And then we also do copper roofing, copper gutters, and downspouts. We have a carpentry team. This is a door restoration job that we've done. It was the architectural feature that was on the porch.

We found it kind of outlined when we strip the full door, and so we were able to recreate that and add those when for the full door restoration at the end. This is a church on the East Side, and we were able to, just fully restore these doors here as well as they had multiple doors that looked like this there. And, you know, it just takes a lot of meticulous sanding and patience to get through all the little areas. And yeah. And then we just, you know, restained it and varnished it.

This was a fun project for us. So these doors, they couldn't open. So we if or they can only open so far because there was gutters that were, like, kind of preventing it from opening all the way. And so we did you know, we fully stripped the paints and restored those, but we also cut the top off so they would be able to open fully all the way. And so then they could, yeah, get equipment in and out and those kinds of things.

So this is just another door restoration project that we've done. This is just an example of our window tuning and restoration services. Here, the owner wanted to go straight from or wanted to strip all the paints and have them stained to match all the trim. And so we just did a full strip of all the paints and then stained it. And then this is just an example of a storm window restoration.

So these are the same windows, just fully restored. And again, it's the same kind of thing of just taking them out. We bring them back to our shop, stripping all the paint from it. We use Avatron epoxy for all the repairs and, yeah, just put some paint on it. I'm gonna hand it over to Joe.

Alright. Hey. Thank you all for allowing us to speak here real quickly. It's a real privilege to be able to talk about our our company and what we do. One of the other aspects of our job is consulting services because sometimes people have lived in their house for twenty five years and just don't know where to start.

Some people have bought an old house with this dream of restoring it and just have no clue where to begin and and where to focus their attention first. Sometimes there's an order to the way in which you need to restore an old house. Sometimes there isn't. But it's another kind of facet to our business where we can come in and just provide them with consultative services and and figuring things out. We do have a a fancy software program where we can actually three d generate an image of their house and really be able to fly around in their living room, showing them just different aspects of their house, which are unique and unusual and worthy of being preserved.

And it also gives us a way to really give them an idea and a road map of how we would restore how they would restore it and how we can help them. And storm windows. So I brought a couple examples here. You can see image on the left, aluminum storm windows, which just looks so plain and drab. The architect built this house with the intention of having wood storm windows on it, and you could see the difference that it makes just in that.

Storm windows, a lot of people aren't familiar with our services, but we build fantastic, historically accurate storm windows. And I I brought a couple samples up here. So the exterior of our window has a chamfered edge, which mirrors how it would look if it was a traditional window because this edge is is what the glazing would look like. So when you're looking at it from the street or from the exterior, all you see is what looks like a very historically looking chrome window. But on the inside, this is what we call our insert.

We can make a traditional one. This is called our insert where we can actually take without removing the whole storm window, which is one of the things that people just can't see in about storm windows, is you can actually remove the panel and switch it from screen to glass when you go from summer to winter. Winter. Cool. Another one we made, we call this our combination.

Stand maybe close to the microphone. Sorry.

Is that guy on? Hello? Nope. So this one's color combination. It's similar to an aluminum one. You never have to actually remove the entire storm window. Still looks traditional, but you can actually just raise the glass when you want fresh air, and then lower it down when it's the winter and you don't want fresh air. So, still made with traditional joinery. We expose this. Everything's mortise and tenon, and we use a special kind of wood, which I'll I'll touch on in just a minute.

But storm windows should last fifty years. That's the way we make our storm windows. So really well constructed and also pretty useful and and something you don't have to continually so many of our customers are like, I I'm so sick of climbing up on a ladder and replacing this every season. So this gets them away from that, but while still preserving the architectural look of a house. Okay.

So a coia. Bless you. Just about everything we make on the exterior of a house, we use a special kind of wood called a koya. An koya is not a tree. It's actually a product. We switched over about three years of very wise leadership. This is fantastic stuff. It's got all the pluses of real wood and all the pluses of a composite or an artificially made piece of wood, but it actually is real wood. It's sustainably grown pine. It's actually grown in a farm.

Usually reach maturity in about twenty five years. And then what they do is they cut it down, and then they acetylate it. The process of acetylation has been around for about a hundred years. It took the Europeans to really catch on to this and and really commercialize it. We have a plant actually in Tennessee that that actually goes through the process. It's actually pickling the wood. It's a natural process. There's no harmful chemicals. What they end up doing is drying the wood out as well as they can, and then they chemically alter the wood. And they do this with the process of acetylation.

So they basically pickle it in vinegar without a few of the hydrogen molecules. So it chemically alters the wood. It's got all the pluses of wood. You can cut it. You can shape it. You can paint it, but it doesn't rot, and it doesn't have a food source for fungus. It's completely natural. Our shop in the afternoon, if the guys have been making a lot of things, smells like vinegar. It's not harmful. It's not toxic, and it's sustainably grown. We've used this for just about everything we can. We make our own windows. We make our own storm windows. We'll do trim on the outside of a house, siding, you name it. The stuff's fantastic.

It's warrantied. I know of no other wood product that's actually warrantied, but just fantastic. It's warrantied for fifty years above ground. It's warrantied for twenty five years below ground, which is unheard of. But all the positives of pine and all the positives of, say, like a teak or a mahogany, which is just teak and mahogany are not really sustainable, and they also weren't traditional woodworking material for our area a hundred years ago.

So just a a fantastic product. And then Avatron. So this is an epoxy that we use. It really makes our work affordable. This has been one of the biggest changes is that the US Parks and Recreation Department actually approves the use of epoxy for restoration. It's a way in which you don't have to just recreate absolutely everything. This is a fantastic picture. You can see column work that we did. I mean, if you didn't repair this with epoxy, you'd end up having to make an entire column, which is really expensive. But the epoxy is fantastic.

It comes in a four part two part liquid, two part solid. You have to use all four parts, and you gotta follow the directions. But this stuff really makes our work easy and affordable. I'm sure you have a lot of people that come before you and say, we can't do it. We need to cover our house with vinyl or something. And you think, hey. There are methods. There are ways in which we can restore things and bring back that that natural beauty. Yeah. And then just, you know, thank you so much and please be aware that we're out there.

I have a couple questions for

you. Shoot.

On the Acoya wood, do you guys get it in just generic stock and then you mill it all into all different shapes and whatnot?

Yep. It just looks feels like normal wood, but and there are a couple downsides to it. It's relatively expensive and no one's heard of it. So we're constantly battling those two things, but what it provides us with is exceptional because if we go out and we use cedar or we use some of the new pines, it's just

Right.

The

the Does it smell like The grain is so different and

Totally. Totally.

You spent thousands of dollars storing something. Yeah.

I get

it. Do you have a a sheet that you can leave with us or leave with Charlie that we could get a copy of, like, some of the information that you're

giving today? And then my next question is on the Avatron epoxy. How long of a process is in between wait time for the buildup that you guys are doing? Because you're sealing it. Right? Then you're building it up. Yep. And how what's the time?

Yeah. Instantaneous. Really? Actually the well, you gotta be careful. You gotta follow a couple rules.

Mhmm. You don't

wanna make a really, really big repair because it will it's exothermic, so it will generate some heat and kick really fast and may not allow you appropriate amount of time to tool it.

Right.

But yeah.

Do you have to tool it while it's still wet or or before it cures completely? Or is

it Not necessarily. Yeah. You wanna get it close to the shape, and then you can sand it. You can chisel it. You can treat it like wood.

Very cool. Very cool.

So it really especially all those finite wood pieces that have intricate detail.

Yeah. No. That's really cool. Very cool.

Now when you say expensive, is it like double? Of pine, triple?

Yeah. Probably more like triple. And no one's ever heard of it. So we actually need to educate people like why it's important and

Right.

The fact

that fifty

year warranty.

Yeah. With that said, what voids the warranty?

Fifty years. Well

well, I'm I'm asking about stains, paints. You chop it up. You use it for trim. You use it for everything else. What voids that warranty?

I know of nothing else. And and usually, you don't stain it because pine usually won a stained product. If we stain, we usually go to an oak or something that would be more traditional. But, yeah, this stuff's normally painted. I know nothing that would actually

Not like a clear varnish or get this in tongue and groove and Yeah. Okay.

Cool. Mhmm. That's exciting.

Yeah. We're happy to share stuff. Does

it allow to expand and contract?

Yeah. No. That's something I should have mentioned. Yeah. It's very, very stable because what they did was they sucked all the moisture out of it for the ceiling.

But what happens when you're marrying it to repair and you've got old wood that's expanding and contracting and then you've added this to it? What happens to that marriage?

You need to you need to take care of transitions as a point. Sometimes the period gets caught. Sometimes we go all the way with the repair until we hit another substrate or hitting bread or hitting something else so that we can

make sure it's

change the material.

Yeah. Doesn't

doesn't expand right next to

it. Right.

Because then you'll end up with a crack or a

line or Right. Exactly.

So how does it react to things like galvanized nails and construction screws?

Excellent question. Yeah. You have to use stainless steel fasteners.

Okay. Interesting.

There goes the cost. So all nails, all screws have to be stainless because there is a

Interesting. So

when installing the windows, you have to use stainless steel screws?

Okay. Yep. Although almost everything we do I don't wanna say that. Almost everything we do is a traditional joinery, so it's mortise and tenon. Right. It's really stiff with that kind of joinery so that we're relying on the shape of the product,

not a fast. Right. Certainly.

Gotcha. Way to join this is just two screws. That would be the we could really cut down on our hours. But what we do is we take the time. So these are your rails. These are your styles. We take the time to mortise this, and the tendon goes all the way through. And this stuff loves epoxy. So we secure it with epoxy.

That was my next question, what adhesive are you using?

Yep. Yep. Epoxy or an exterior grade blue. Both of them work quite well with epoxy and a coil work Awesome.

Excellent. Yeah. We're we're throwing questions at you because we're a couple of carpenters as well.

I know. I was surprised that I had heard of Akoya before I worked. I was like, I've never heard of the Echoya treatment. Echoya treatment. It's actually kind, but it's gone through a

special process.

Have you heard of cold bend? Cold bend is another chemical process where they compress fibers, and you can literally take it with your hand and bend it. So like for arches Oh. And things like that that you don't have to build up. You can buy it dimensionally, and you just frame it, and you put it in, and you literally can take two guys and bend it. Cold bend. Cold bend. Yeah. It's cool.

No doubt or two carmans.

I'm sorry?

Two carmans, I'm sure, would work.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, thank you. That was fascinating for those of us that make sawdust. Do

you often get people to come in and say, hey, I need to replace all my windows with vinyl?

Oh, yeah. Well, people come in a lot and we really try to steer them to because we're the historic restoration and we really we've bent on some nontraditional materials that's not wood rarely. Okay. But we really push to the, well, can you go with real wood? Well, can you know, all the time.

Yeah. Okay.

All the time.

Hopefully, someone you could say, hey, go to Thoughtful Craftsman. They'll make a new window for you.

Well, the thing is that I'll be honest with you. I've seen your sign all over the place. We've seen people that have come in here with your work, but we can't say

Alright.

Hey. But I'm just telling you that you are

Google search.

You are recognized from us as the go to contractor in this genre. But we can't. We have to be politically correct.

Sure.

Yeah. One more question for you. Now, per say somebody wants to replace their windows as well and they're historically historically accurate. Do you come out and do the field measuring or can they do it as well? How does that work? As far as they're interested to go, I mean you have somebody come out there and measure it out and give you a quote kind of thing, how does that work?

Yeah. Once people have a quote for the windows then we'll go out and take measurements of everything and it's better for us to take the measurements just to make sure we have everything we need so that's always worked the best for us. Perfect.

Do you guys have cards with you today?

Yes. Mhmm. I have a question too, Charlie. Like, okay, we know that in what was just said that we're not able to say something, but are we allowed to say there's other products out there available?

Yes. Can. I mean, we can definitely encourage people to try and

And then if they say, what is that? Can we refer them to you? To you to talk about it to me?

I can't recommend anybody. I I can

Tell them that there what the that that there are products out there.

Yeah. And I I can say, in this case in some cases, have said there's really only one company that I'm aware of that does this kind of work. You know? And then

Well, it's interesting that we would at least be able to say to somebody there are other products out there available. And they say, well, what are those? And then we say, well, we can refer you to ask some questions to Charlie and then just drop it at that. Then you say what you

know you can Then you drop the ball. Can say. Yeah.

It's it's kind of a little bit of a delicate you know.

Okay. You know, I'm remembering when Mary Emery used to come to all of our meetings for the Waukesha Preservation Commission. She would frequently refer people. You guys know Mary?

No? We don't, but

You know, cover her.

And sounds like she kinda stepped away a little bit.

She has. She has. But I know referrals that was an avenue for referrals to be made when that happened. So you could find out who's doing her type of work now.

Yeah. I also wanted to say we're offering window glazing classes about once a month. Our next one's gonna be in June. And so people who might not wanna or like more DIYers or just wanna see like what it's like and how to do it, those are we're offering those kinds of classes.

I'm there in June.

Okay. Cool. For sure. Okay.

Do you use the the putty glaze or do you use the caulk gun glaze?

Oh, we use the putty glaze, the sarco m

Oh, okay.

Glaze.

Mhmm. Traditional. Appreciate it.

Yep. Yeah. So Well, thank you so much. It's been really enlightening.

Thank you for having us.

Very interesting. Really. Thank you. But leave your cards, please.

Yep. Will do.

Thank you. Good? Yep. Great. Moving on to twenty five-five fifty four, Discussion and Action on the 2025 Landmarks Commission Awards. Alright.

So we have two nominations. We have a nomination for the certificate of merit for Nicholas Martinez at 910914 Clinton Street and nomination for the John Schenknecht Award for David Kapp. So I I have a few slides on each of each of those. I could go through them if you'd like. Okay.

Sure.

So the 910914 Clinton Street is if I can get my sheet up here. That is the WT Lyall building, which is considered to be one of Waukesha's best examples of the commercial Queen Anne style architecture. That's obviously a very distinctive color that's not very common in our downtown area. It's gone through a number of restoration projects over the years. I believe the previous owner, who's the father of the current owner, Jess Martinez, I believe he may have received a George Gunn award for a major restoration many years ago.

But the current owner is Nick Nicholas Martinez, and he was he came to the Landmark Commission last year with a proposal to restore restore the wood trim around several of the windows and repaint it. I believe he was replacing some nonhistoric windows. Thanks. Also, some of the brick at the upper levels was deteriorated and needed to be repaired or tuck pointed. So that was a big part of the project.

And I believe some of it he had said some of it is actually the red color, but some of it is painted. So that was also the parts that where it was painted had been historically repainted. And then there was there were some repairs that he did to the the parapets on the top at the roof as well that were not visible, but were still essential. This is this is a photo from a more recent. Obviously, it's a good thing that you can't tell that it's any different unless you look closely, but you can see, if you look closely, that the window trim has all been repainted and restored.

And then you can also see that bricks up at the upper level are in a better condition as well. So that is the W. T. Lyles building for a landmark submission certificate of merit. And I can if you want to have discussion on that one, we could pause now or I could go on to the next one, whatever you prefer.

I think it turned out beautiful and it's very deserving. It's an excellent nomination.

Thank you. Agreed. I have this it's my favorite. One of my favorite films. It is.

I agree.

It

just is awesome. Mhmm.

Do you

have a a thing just to read the history on it real quick?

Yeah. So I can read

it too if you

I don't have a there is actually more on the Wisconsin Historical Society website. I don't have that with me right now. But so it's again, it's one of the best examples of the commercial Queen Anne style, all of the detailing on the upper levels. And actually, the transom windows and the entrance are all those are fairly unique. The first two floors were built in 1893, and then the 3rd Floor is an addition from sometime before 1910.

So that is, within the period of significance for the historic district. But it is a later addition, which is kind of explains the difference in the styles. So that's all I have. There is a little more, though.

Yeah. It was a funeral home on one side. He owned the building, and there was a furniture store on the other. And in a really, really cool picture, he's got the hearse or the car he used parked right in front on the funeral side. And you can catch a picture of that if you look it up. It's again the W. T. Lyall building. Great. Alright.

Do you want me to move on or do you wanna

Do you want a motion on that?

Sure.

Well, however you wanna however you wanna handle it.

Well, let's just compartmentalize this one and we'll move on to the next one so that we don't have to bounce

back and

forth and it's clean on the agenda. Yeah. So we will take a motion.

I'll make a motion. I make a motion to, I guess I'm.

Award the certificate of merit.

Yes, thank you. I don't have that in front of me. To award the certificate of merit to the WT Lyall Building in Waukesha at do you want the address?

Sure.

9 well, I have here 910 through 914. I don't know if that's I believe that's the historical building. On Clinton Street.

Second. Yes, me.

Ready for a vote?

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Like we're trying to

get in tune.

Me. Great. Charlie, moving on.

Alright. So the other nomination is for Dave Kop for the John Schenkinek award. So as a reminder, the Schenkinect Spirit of Preservation Award is for individuals who have demonstrated exceptional achievement in the preservation of more than one historically significant building, structure or site, or have contributed in a tangible and exemplary manner to further historic preservation in Waukesha. So Dave Cobb passed away last year at 75, and he had been the staff adviser, the secretary to the Landmarks Commission as as he would have liked to to describe it from 1984 to 2010. So twenty twenty six years, which that that was 1984.

In 1984, the landmark submission was very new. That that time, the the twenty six years saw the city of Waukesha become a certified local government with the state Historical Society. Most, if not all, of the designations to the National Register happened during that time. And know for certain that all of the historic district designations, all nine historic districts as well as I'm fairly positive there might be a couple that were previous, but pretty much all of the local landmark designations happened during that time. Menisca and Hobo Spring were restored, and Landmark Commission published its Spring Cities Past book.

And it also, of course, reviewed hundreds and hundreds of paint repair grants and many, many or hundreds and hundreds of certificates of appropriateness, many paint repair grants. And Dave was obviously not solely responsible for any of that, but he was part of all of it. And it really comes out reading through all of the many, many records that he left and the minutes from from some of the old meetings, how much he cared and how passionate he was for historic preservation. I really, the this kind of this occurred to me reading through the nominations for some of the old historic districts and just realizing how much work it took to work with the property owners and get them to the point where they were on board with it, work with, you know, with Landmark's mission kind of strategizing how are we gonna go about doing this. And then with all the other board city boards and commissions and, you know, it was a really, really big process, and it's it's very impressive that that we have so many designated properties.

And I I think he was a a very big part of all that. I'd I'd never met him personally, and I I think, you know, his time was before most of the members of the Landmark Commission. So I'd asked for some input from a few people who who have been around for a long time. So and I'd I'd just kinda have a few of them to go through if

you don't mind.

So first of all, Mary Emery, I'd asked her specifically just to make sure that he had never gotten it before. And she said, Dave never got the award, and he really should have. He was so dedicated and really had a passion for historic preservation. And then Steve Crandall, who was the former community development director, who's obviously Dave's coworker and boss for many years. He said, was dedicated to historic preservation in the city of Waukesha.

He recognized preserving historic buildings and sites was essential to preserving the historic character and culture of the city. And he said, thank you for recognizing Dave's Dave's work. And Marilyn Hagerstrand, who many of you know, was a longtime historic preservation volunteer and activist and has helped with our spring tours among many other things. She was also on the Landmark Commission for many years and herself a a past Schenke Connect award grantee. She said, I feel honored to be asked for my thoughts on nominating Dave Kopp to for the Schenke Connect award.

I first met Dave when I was appointed to Landmark Commissioner early in the early nineteen nineties. Each month when the Landmark Commission met, it gave me the chance to admire Dave for his dedication and commitment to the historic preservation of Waukesha. Dave served the commission as our secretary, and I know he was responsible for handling the day to day business of preservation for the city. But he also saw that the policies and directives of the Landmark Commission were carried out. I feel it is appropriate to recognize him for the contribution he made to the city of Waukesha over the many years, And then she sent a second email a little later.

She said she just wanted to add note, that she had forgotten to mention his, unique understanding of architecture and appreciation of buildings with historic value was to be commended. And she said she enjoyed serving with him. And then John Schenknecht himself, obviously, the award is named after. He had said, I truly believe Dave deserves the honor. I'm grateful that Dave was around almost from the beginning of the Landmarks Commission.

During the time that I served with him, he was the most thorough person I ever met. He kept meticulous minutes of every meeting, recording everything that was said, and composing the minutes for the cassette tapes we made he made. During the years I served on the commission, we went through a lot of pleasant and difficult times. We were verbally attacked by one irate homeowner, which shook Dave. One of the commissioners helped calm him as she knew the homeowner and talked to him later. And there were times when Dave grew frustrated because permits were given for work before checking the landmark status of a property, which I guess has not changed.

Then we're

a example

doing of how

of

doing a common good. I was surprised when Dave insisted

job that we have a dedication ceremony when the restoration was finished. Turned out to be a great day with recognition for all involved. And another example is when Dave worked with the city to restore Hobo Spring And Frame Park. He said through good moments and disappointing moments, Dave always kept a positive attitude and kept the commission moving forward. He was someone who loved the history of Waukesha and worked to preserve and explain it.

And then lastly, in his obituary last year, Dave's family had noted that his career as a city planner for the city of Waukesha was a source of pride. Through his dedication and work with the Land marks Commission, Dave helped preserve the city he was deeply passionate about. And I finally managed I've been trying to get ahold of Dave's wife for several weeks and finally managed to talk to her this morning, and she said she's very supportive of of the nomination and said she can't think of anything that he was more passionate about than historic preservation.

I think it's a fantastic nomination and thanks for all the work that you did out of Charlie. It just makes me kind of sad we didn't think of this when he was still alive. I mean, it's unbelievable, but I didn't realize that he had died And I can actually date myself. I did overlap with Dave a little bit on Landmark. He was everything that was said is absolutely true.

It's nice. Great. So would you like to make a motion? Sure.

I would move that the Landmarks Commission give the John Shaknack Spirit of Preservation Award for 2025 to David Kopp.

I'll second.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

We're good with all those then? Yeah. Perfect. Moving on to the Alderman's report. No report. Moving on to the Springs report.

How are we doing for the cleanup day?

So we are planning to schedule that for Saturday, May 10, and I'm still working to figure out exactly what level of assistance we can get from the students at the three high schools. We're most likely we'll have on that Saturday, we'll have kind of a similar at Springs cleanup to what we've done in the past few years. So I will send out a sign up. If anybody is interested in helping, that will be very helpful to kind of lead some of the high school students. And then additionally, North High School has a service learning day on May 23.

They are working with the parks department to do some projects in the parks. So I was hoping to coordinate that with the and basically, that's the whole school is getting out of school to to do service work. So I was hoping to coordinate that with some additional, you know, potentially some of the landscaping work at Hobo Spring. I have to get out there with Melissa at Parks and try and find out what whether there's anything that is work that volunteers can do there, basically. So they have to take a look at that and find out.

There's also some cleanup in the spring of it was flooded over the winter. And as usual, there's some mud in the basin. So we'll have to work on getting that clean out cleaned up as well. So

Great. So we'll get a little update before our next meeting.

Yep.

Or at our next meeting before the event. Perfect. Moving on to communications and publications.

Two just two things. If anybody has the anybody hasn't gotten the multifactor authentication set up, please let me know. Know Marty is going to be coming in tomorrow to try and work with IT to get that set up. If anybody else needs to, they'd like to get that done as soon as possible. And then the Wisconsin Association of Historic Preservations Commission has their conference, their annual conference on April 2425 this year in Racine.

There kind of two educational conferences for historic preservation commissioners. One is in the fall. That's the the Wisconsin Historical Society, and it's sort of a of historic preservation and then local history museums. This one is really all all about preservation, and it's a little bit smaller. I unfortunately can't make it. But if any of you can, the city can pay for your your admission, I guess.

What was the date of that again?

April.

Do you know where it is in Racine?

I don't, but it is on yeah. I I could get you that or Are it's on

they gonna be specific on it? Yeah.

They

Oh, yeah. They have an agenda published.

You're not sure exactly what Yeah.

I I just haven't looked very closely. And unfortunately, they don't have a a virtual option. Could

you send us a link or something?

Yeah.

They'll be able to

do that.

I have no idea. I can't think right now when I'm going that day, but it's nice and close. Yeah.

Okay. I have something.

I was just thinking about that too.

We're looking at the empty cabinet. We're not pointing at you.

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Not usually.

Just past you. I

was So are

we gonna put is this an agenda item we talk about? What we're gonna do there? Or what do we do? Because we gotta move and do something here.

Yeah. Just

I have a ton of stuff.

Right.

Like a ton.

A ton.

I have a little walkie shower room in my basement. Yeah.

But do we want to focus on something specific?

Oh, yeah. If you want to do something different.

I'm open to ideas. We're open to ideas, right?

What was the last? It was a Springs. It was all springs on

the I last think it was springs was the last. Okay.

What about breweries? I'm just thinking of stuff I have. You know what I mean? Like, most of my stuff is springs.

But Mhmm.

There's tons of stuff like the manufacturing that went on different companies.

I've I've got a bunch of stuff on the tile project, images and the tiles in process and some broken ones, some not broken.

Yeah. There's so many options you can, you know, do the

I think that'd be a great

start for a first set.

The tile project?

Something different.

We'll set it kinda

how how they're all set up. It's a brand new thing.

That's a great idea. I like that too. Mhmm.

Okay. Add it to the bucket. That's

great. What's another day? Right? What's another project for

you? Okay. I will have it in place by May.

Well, I mean, do you wanna call all of us to come and help you?

I have to think about what I have. I'm happy to discuss it with you guys. Why don't I It

fills up pretty quickly too. Yeah. Like, you know, from doing the different things that I've done in there.

Let me just think of what I would put up there and then I'll send you guys and all of us an email and kinda this is what I'm thinking and we'll take

it Cool? From Yeah.

Sounds great.

Well, I think it is a good idea. Very appropriate.

Okay. No, Charlie? He looks like he has gonna say something.

I don't know if Jennifer if you wanted to just let everybody know that.

Oh, I did ask the mayor not to reappoint me. I will be leaving in July. That was a really hard decision, but it's just gotten really mean, you see me, I come sweating from my granny's practices I I just can't do both anymore.

I understand. It's understandable. We'll miss you all very much.

We will miss you.

Me too. And And we'll miss you very much. Sure. But I understand.

Thank you very much for for many years of

You're welcome. And I'll be here a couple more months.

Yeah. And

if any of you have ideas for people who would, you know, would be a good we're

be. And going opportunity the

on the Point City website, it says attorney after But my I was never appointed as an attorney. I was appointed as a member.

Yeah. Think actually there's we need to have an architect and a realtor. So that's Marty and Matt. So but there's no requirement for an attorney.

But it sure has been helpful. Is. Just saying. Well, thank you. I will give you an appropriate thank you and all of that before your last one. Definitely. It's sad, but we totally understand.

Yeah. Is that great?

Alright, Phil. Alrighty. Anything else? That's This meeting is adjourned. Thank you, guys.