Finance Committee - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everyone. We'll call the Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 meeting of the Finance Committee to order. We do have a quorum. Next item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance. Please rise.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right. Next item on our agenda is public comment. Are there any members of the public that wish to address the Finance Committee this evening? If you do, please come up to the center mic. I know, Melissa, you wanted to come on up. And, Melissa, if you could give us your name and street address, and the floor is yours, and you have three minutes.

Okay, great. Melissa Baxter, I'm the president of the Waukesha County Community Foundation. My street address is S45W27711 Elk Valley Road, Waukesha, Wisconsin 53189. So I just came tonight to provide some context and information about the Jackson Sparks Baseball Park Project Fund, which is part of the proposal to view for a park improvement or athletic complex improvement. So the fund itself was created on April 20th, 2022 to honor Jackson Sparks, who was a youth baseball player killed in the Waukesha Christmas parade attack. Community members created the fund with the support and coordination of Waukesha Parks and Rec and the Sparks family. AND TOTAL RAISED TODAY IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 165,000. SO 165, 204, 91. THERE ARE NO FEES ON THIS FUND SIMILAR TO THE FUND THAT WE HELD FOR THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE PARADE MEMORIAL. SO THERE'S NO ONGOING FEES THAT ARE COMING OFF OF THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN 91 TOTAL AND SOME MAJOR DONOR LIST, THOSE ARE CONTRIBUTORS OF $5,000 OR MORE, INCLUDES THE BREWERS COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, THE FOTCH FAMILY, HUSKO INTERNATIONAL, WAUKESHA BANK, WAUKESHA STATE BANK AND ORTHOPEDIC ASSOCIATES. THE INITIAL GOAL WAS MUCH LARGER AND QUITE FRANKLY WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ALL CREATED AROUND THE SAME TIME. I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DONOR FATIGUE. BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL FOLKS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PROJECT AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT GO FORWARD IN SOME WAY. AND SO HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH RON EARLIER THIS YEAR. About how perhaps the city could be a partner and we could provide that funding to help to help bring something to honor Jackson in his memory to come so Appreciate you your consideration Thank you.

Thank you, Melissa. There any other members of the public that wish to yes, sir. I AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THREE MINUTES. I'M HERE JUST TO SPEAK ON THE I'M HERE JUST TO SPEAK ON THE BUDGET ITEM RELATED TO THE DEER BUDGET ITEM RELATED TO THE DEER PATH FLOOD MITIGATION EFFORT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE DEER PATH PROJECT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND RECOGNIZE THE COMPETING DEMANDS WITHIN THE CITY'S CAPITAL PROGRAM. BUT WE ASK THE MATERIALS, THE mitigation plan that was done last year identify characterize this as a health safety and property protection priority that cannot be deferred design is already proposed for 2027 and there's tentative grant support that would mitigate much of this cost So the only ask here would be for the city to return with kind of a concrete alternative for completing construction in 2027 rather than accepting 2028 without fully evaluating any acceleration of that plan. It's a known risk. We know exactly the terms, place, and characteristics under which flooding will occur, and it's not really something that the residents are willing to bear for another two years. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am.

Hello everyone I'm Pam grow and I'm here to also support what Eric just spoke about regarding the deer past subdivision and we might be we have your address please. Sure my address is one 9, 0, 4, deer path. And I'm speaking on behalf of our deer path neighbors that have had severe flooding not just inches in their basement but full basement floods moving up into the first floor and the trauma that has happened to the families. uh... as this has occurred over the course of the last couple of years on multiple occasions has required fire and rescue to help people get in boats in order to leave their home safely so i really am hopeful like eric spoke about That hopefully that this project could be boosted to the year of 2027 versus 2028 because of significant safety risks and families can't even rebuild their homes because of the risks based on how things are right now with the stormwater.

Thank you thank you ma'am. Any other members of the public wish to take advantage of public comment this evening. All right, very good. Thank you. That'll move us on to item number 4A, which is approval of minutes for our meeting from August 25th, the show and tell. Any changes or amendments to those from the committee? I just want to, again, thank members of the public and 11 aldermen that came to that meeting. That was a record. So thanks everyone for coming to show and tell. Seeing no changes to those minutes, they are approved through unanimous consent. That brings us to our business items this evening. We have one regular business item before we dive into CIP. And that's item number 5A, which is a review and possible action on contracting with Waukesha County to take over property tax listing responsibilities. Sam, if you'd introduce yourself for the folks at home, and the floor is yours.

Sure. Samuel Walker, city assessor. Before you is a contract that we are proposing with the county of Waukesha to take over the real property listing. The property listing responsibilities... We're full time in our office and then we went to a part time position, but this contract would send it to the county where we would have a team of dedicated professionals who would be able to take care of all the listing responsibilities for us. We were approached by the county probably two months ago or so. to look into this. It's something that we had thought about when our previous lister retired, but the cost was too much, and the costs are now within range of what we feel like we were able to do. The cost for the contract itself is roughly about $47,700, but that amount is going to be offset primarily with the decrease in the contract with the accurate, as well as the savings for the base salary of our part-time lister. That's really all I have to say, but I'm obviously open to plenty of questions if there are any.

Sam, thank you. Questions from the committee on this item? Alderman Anderson?

Thank you, Sam. That salary listed. Does that include benefits and everything else that we paid?

That is the base salary. I'm not quite sure if the part timer gets benefits, and if so, what they. What those benefits are so I aired on the side of caution just cash money.

Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

And I will say, you know, the county would be adjusting the contract every 2 to every 2 years, approximately 2 to 4%. But. taking into consideration anticipated cost of living, it would still be absorbed.

Thank you. Other questions for Sam on this item?

Alderman Lemke? I just wanted to say that one of our goals, or at least my goal, is to increase the Cooperation between county and city and. I think this is a good way of doing that. Eliminate a part timer here for about the same cost. Put it over to the county where they have. Ability to do it and so I was in favor of of that. Thank you.

Is that a motion?

Yes, I'd like to a motion to take action to contract with Waukesha County to take over the property tax listing responsibilities.

Second older person Wigderson. I will second that motion. Alright, we have a motion and a second and Sam that I know it's been kicked out a little bit, but the net benefit to the city is in year one anyways, roughly $700 roughly. Yeah, OK, but it's still in that benefit.

Yeah, I've calculated this a few different times, and apparently sometimes I use the wrong plus or minus, but it's a $700 savings that first year, looking at that base salary and the contract. Thank you. Alderperson Moulton, you had a question?

Yes, I heard the motion that said take action on the contract. Would you clarify what that action is?

I'm sorry, I thought I said take action of approving it.

Thank you.

All right. So we have a motion to approve the contract with Waukesha County to take over property tax listing responsibilities. We have a second by Alderperson Wigderson. Any further discussion on that item? All right, seeing none, all those in favor sign aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? That item passes unanimously. Sam, thank you.

Thank you.

All right, brings us to item number 5B, which is a review and possible action, and that action being a vote and a recommendation to the full Common Council on the 2027 to 2031 Community Investment Program. Well, the kind of the run of show for this evening is Joe and Tony are going to give us an overview and then highlight each individual department and then each director will come up and present those individual items and protect potentially highlight other projects that they're proposing gives an opportunity for the full committee to ask any question that you'd like as it pertains to that department on anything that's in the book. And certainly that option is available to the aldermen that are joining us this evening as well. so we'll go through that go through the presentation by the various departments they'll take questions from the finance committee depending on the timing we may take a little bit of a break and come back and then we'll take any amendments from the from the committee if there are any vote on those and then ideally recommend to council the full capital budget for 2027. so with that said i will yield to mr shiro and mr brown

thank you very much you wouldn't believe this but the presentation was up about five seconds ago and now it's not so i'm gonna look at people that might know what's going on with that it literally was just up

Public art understands I Don't want to jinx it but

IT'S UP AND RUNNING. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IF YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING, WE KIND OF PRESENTED THE BUDGET VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS IT'S STILL HIGHER LEVEL THAN EVERY DETAIL IN THE CIP DOCUMENT. But we do have like a slide essentially for every department that highlights the majority of their main items. Also going to pause between each department slide to make sure you don't have any specific questions for that department. And then even in a couple of circumstances, I know that some directors or staff plan on coming up to discuss a couple of things prior to moving on as well. So with that, I'm going to give you a quick overview and then we're going to get into those departmental slides. So the five-year plan that we have, 2027 through 2031, this is kind of just a synopsis broken down into major projects, equipment replacements, and fleet. The document for the five-year plan shows 135.3 million in total for major projects, 17.3 million in equipment replacements, and 27.1 million in total fleet replacements for that five-year period. and this is a slide that we kind of ended with uh the before the show and tell um really for the most part a lot of folks at home are would really be most interested in what does this five-year plan do to our taxes for the real estate taxes well a portion of the taxes that that are on each residence bill is related to our debt service and capital projects and um so this is showing you kind of a five-year past five-year history of our pa the most recent five-year history as well as what we project with the document that is being presented to you and as you can kind of see here the levy that we project in total We've been trying to kind of level off, dealing with just really inflationary items or inflationary factors going forward. You can see that we had stronger growth in the past five years as we were doing some of those larger building projects and even leading to some of our infrastructure. Well, now going forward, we're trying to kind of have like a replacement schedule for infrastructure and equipment and fleet. And so that's why you kind of see it leveling off and trying to... What we're really trying to do from a projection standpoint is keep the increase in levy under 3% when it comes to debt service and capital. Right now, the document that's presented to you does that. That does take a... a consideration that interest rates will be relatively stable, so if anything does change in that environment, it's possible that we will have the discussion on altering what the five-year plan is in the future, but that's assuming a stable interest rate environment. Any questions before we jump off into departments?

All right.

All right, we're going to start with park rec and forestry. So these items are the main items that are focused on 2027. They have a playground replacement at Hyer Park for $387,000. There's some athletic facility improvements that they have at two different locations, one for the WRO Youth Complex and then the other one was at the frame baseball field uh but for both of those were four hundred thousand dollars each some was geo funded general obligation debt funded and some is donation funded for both projects uh the next one is a shootsy recreation center uh hvac replacement for 345 000. THE MENDEOLA WEST AVENUE DRIVEWAY AND PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENT OF $400,000. THE BOARDWALK OVERLOOK IMPROVEMENT ON THE RIVERWALK FOR $400,000. AND THEN ON THE EQUIPMENT AND FLEET SIDE OF THINGS FOR PRF, THERE IS A PROJECT SHEET FOR KEYLESS ENTRY CAMERAS AND A FIBER INSTALL RELATED TO MENDEOLA FOR $257,000. and then they had nine items sitting on the fleet listing for a total of 815 000. now i do have actually i believe a couple of slides that park rec would like to present on and if they'd like to come up

And good evening, Ron. So I guess I'll throw this out to you and other directors that come up. If you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself for all of our viewers at home.

Certainly. Ron Grohl, Director of Parks, Recreation, and Forestry. And we're gonna get set up here and, oh, he is quick. That is good. Yeah, we do have some additional illustrations that we think will be helpful to kind of explain a few of the projects. Entertain questions at any time, really. And we're gonna focus on a couple of the main projects, the main projects of the main projects. The first one we have is, as Melissa Baxter from the Community Foundation indicated, is the unique project, the partner with the foundation, and utilize those contributions over at the Oliver Complex. And this overview will show you the field that's in the, I guess you would call it more the lime green, the northwest field, field one as we know it, and it's also the home to various youth organizations. That's the field that we're targeting for the synthetic turf improvements. Now this would be just in the infield area, and this gives you, it'll put it in context of what field we're talking about. So the next slide will show what part of that field, and that's more of the solid green area is what, is proposed to be turfed. And in the rest of the area, the outfield essentially would remain grass. With the funds that we have, that's what we can accomplish, which will make it a field that basically would be very rare to be rained out, unless you had very severe weather, but water alone will not rain it out. And that's a big plus, serve as our championship field for the Oliver Complex. And again, with the funds that we have available through the contributions, approximately 42% of that project is covered by the contributions. It's like 41.16%. Questions on that project? Again, this has been in the works, as Melissa indicated, since shortly after the tragedy event. And the funding is very competitive, as you all know, when it comes to sponsorships. So we're very grateful for the monies that were collected. Matt Drevik, shout out to him. He was the individual that really spearheaded it. Wanted to see something happen, so we're happy to present this to you tonight So any questions on on the on that project? Okay, then the next project we have we all focus on is a mini ola and Little hard to read this probably, but that shows you the overall master plan for the site. We've accomplished quite a bit over the last, well, the park opened in 2002. We had grass fields up until 2021. and that's when the turf fields really changed everything for us and uh... very active park site uh... we have uh... an opportunity with the uh... construction of the pavilion facility and i know alderman piper had some questions on that and i'll take this opportunity to try to answer those for you uh... one as far as uh... construction yes we like to see the construction be further along and uh... so several uh... As far as from the design engineering phase, we've had several delays with that, including there's some change in the organizational structure of the primary design firm that's contracted with the city. But long story short, it's back on track. We're getting close to the ability to bid the documents out. With a little luck, who knows, it could break ground this late fall. Work can be done during the course of the winter. And we're targeting for fall of 27. So that'll be probably sooner than we'd like for some, but for the project, it can't come any faster. So we're excited about that component. And with the parking lot, well, the parking lot, one of the questions Alderman Piper had is, where was the parking lot project along with the pavilion project? The short answer is that capacity. We did not have the capacity in last year's parameters that we have for budget that we need to stay within. And adding that, we would have to take other projects out that we felt were of higher priority for this cycle. But with the opportunity here, we thought it was an excellent phase two project to bundle with the pavilion. So it's going to look like one project. It's just two funding cycles. The building is in the 26 cycle. And what we're proposing is the parking lot would be off of West Avenue. And I think we've got another graphic here for you. There you go. That might be a little hot. That's fresh, hot off the press from ISG. That's the name of the engineering firm. This illustrates where the building is going to be located. It's been massaged a bit. We are very limited in where the building facilities can be located on site because of the landfill nature of that. So we have it here prominently displayed, more or less. We're in the center of the property, if you're familiar. We have park land that goes from, if you're familiar with the Ready Mix plant, and we abut that property line and go all the way up to the corner of West Avenue and Hoover. There you go. Mark is gonna move that cursor along. There you go. So we're playing the plans here is we used to have fields in that corner and then then we didn't for various reasons and now we want to resurrect those fields and actually the Pavilion is more than the pavilion if you recall from last year its concessions restrooms and a community room so the parking lot is a key piece of To one give us some access off West Avenue. That's a very prominent arterial In that area and for the park and it'll help even out the distribution with the parking we have an agreement with the Bridge Church they've been extremely wonderful partners and we call it the South lot that's off of sunset and then we have the Hoover Avenue lot and which is on Hoover Avenue. That's north of the two turf fields. So this would give us some parking. And I guess, Mark, if you can kind of move the cursor down. There you go. Down in that area would be approximately about 30 cars, so not a huge parking lot. But the building, one of the number one things we hear with the buildings and having rentals is accessibility. They get from point A to point B and unload your goods. This is going to do it. And it will help alleviate some of the pressure on the other two parking lots. So we think it actually works out very well. It's the continuity of it. We're only disturbing the site one time. So we're in there, we're doing the building, and we're also doing the parking lot. But the funding mix is two cycles. The uh... yes.

Alderman Matthews. Thank you. Just, can you clarify, when are you building the ancillary parking lots?

That's being proposed. That's what is on the docket for the 2027 CIP.

Because I can speak 100%. Parking is so challenging on there. I serve at Bridge Church on Sunday. Oh, well, you know. It's an issue. Parking is definitely an issue. So anything that we can do to mitigate parking in those fields, especially when we're looking to increase our attendance in those fields, that, to me, would be paramount. But that's a personal issue at that point. So parking is definitely an issue around there. And anything we can do to mitigate that is 100%. I appreciate the feedback.

Ron, I guess one of the other questions that I had with the pavilion, and you kind of talked about why it's not out of the ground quite yet, but was there a major change in the overall design that prevented it from not getting built this year that's going to push it into next year? I mean, what else besides some staffing changes kind of led to the delay?

Yeah, certainly there's been a couple phases of design. There was a design phase when it was looked upon the feasibility of having it actually on the landfill area. That was cost prohibitive. That's something that was looked upon. But then we had the organizational changes within the structure of the design team, and that created some additional delays. What we're looking at now is it's revamped. And again, I know Brandon's here from City Engineering. He could probably speak to that as well. But I can't say enough for working with Joel Walter from Engineering in particular. and helping to facilitate getting things moving along. And we've made a lot of progress with getting it right. And I guess the way I look at it is let's rather spend a little more time on it in the big scope of things. It's not a massive delay. And get it right versus push it through and maybe not get it right. I think we have the best of both worlds here and incorporate the proposed new project, the parking, along with the pavilion project that's approved for 2026.

I guess one follow-up I have on that, because I know we talked a lot about the pavilion this time last year when this was proposed, and I'm just trying to recall how much parking was part of the original business plan last year compared to what's being proposed with the lot this year?

Yeah, the original plan was, you know, there was not a parking lot component to it. So this is a new thought, new phase, especially once the scope was further vetted as far as what the pavilion is really going to look like, and more importantly, where exactly it could be placed to be most feasible. So the original thought was we could use some of the, a lot of pressure would be on the south lot, the shared lot. And with reorienting it to moving it over to the west side is not only more buildable, save money, but it also frees up space for parking lot. And that's where this came into play. The location, you really can't pick it out on that drawing, but I don't know, Mark, if you could show again where it would be in relation to the building. You can see actually in the illustration that you had. there you go so the building is more or less uh not quite centered but it's uh leaves enough room to get three fields to the north and then uh the parking lot would support the building and also the rest of the park so you get a lot of added value for that again a lot of it was designed around use of the building in the community room in order to generate the revenue year-round we need to have access. And this is going to have direct access, a drop-off port. It will work extremely well. And again, we can blend this in with contingent on approval. You can blend this in with the construction of the building project, so we're not disturbing the site any more than we need to.

Alderman Lemke.

So driving past Mendiola this year, I realized that the building wasn't being built and I figured there was some reason for it. But this is the first I've heard about a now a new proposed building in a different spot. Is the building going to be the same similar size as the last building?

Yeah, really, it's not overly different than what we proposed.

Is it still going to be in that same budget-wise, or is it increased any?

Yeah, the budget, the last estimate we had was within our budget.

Okay, thank you.

Alderperson Moulton.

Does the proposed building in this drawing, does it still have a commercial kitchen, or the full kitchen?

Well, it's certainly more than your typical concession stand. Yes, it would be very similar to Buckner Pool and that type of service. And we could talk concessions for a long time, but I know time is limited. And I look at Joe Shiro on that one. That, yes, it will be as full service as we can make it. It's not, you know, one step below, you know, restaurant type of grade. Okay, thank you.

Other questions? I guess my point, Ron, when I read about the parking lot proposal, I guess I was troubled, maybe not be the right word, but just, I guess, perplexed because, like I said, I tried to see if it was part of the original business plan for the pavilion, which we worked really hard to get through last year. And I guess the question that I had is, do you do you need a parking lot for 30 cars when a lot of families and parents are used to and this is right wrong or indifferent used to haul in all their stuff you know from the existing lots so my question for you this evening was going to be more around the size of the parking lot and is the parking lot needed more for accessibility and that is you know provide some additional handicap spots and service vehicles versus additional parking for the whole pavilion And I'm trying to balance that with the point that you're making about the year-round use of the building in the community space. So I don't really have a question. I guess I'm trying to articulate kind of what's going through my head as I think about the need for this parking lot and the fact that I'm frustrated that we're not further along on the project.

Yeah, well, I can guarantee you no one's more frustrated with the progress of the project than myself and our team. But That's the cards we're dealt. And we're going to work through it and get you the best product possible and move forward. And the parking lot, 30 is the current estimate. That's what the current plan shows is 30. That's still a significant parking lot. The Hoover North lot is 98. And that's massive. So you got to somehow put that in context too. And the idea is not to have the same size, but where it's located is very critical to help address for sure the pavilion and have access off of West Avenue, more visibility. From a sponsorship point of view, we are pursuing, as far as long-term, from an operational standpoint, sponsorship, naming rights for the building. These are things we are looking at and pursuing. So how the building is orientated, having accessibility to the building, that all comes into play from that angle as well. Future revenue.

Ron, I want you to stay up, but I just want to ask the committee, is there any other questions as it relates to Mendiola before we hold a person Matthews?

Just real quick, I'm assuming that that would be included on worksheet on page 53? It's 56. It's 56? Yeah.

Okay, thank you. Yeah, the way the orgs are situated, and that doesn't mean it would stay that way forever, but because it's a parking lot project, it falls under the parking lot improvements org. So it's a little confusing, and I know that you're not the first person, Alderman Matthews, to bring that to our attention.

Because you referred to the pavilion and to the other upgrades on 53. Correct. And just... Last thing, I'm throwing my shameless plug in on here, parking. You're looking at exponentially adding people to this complex, to the athletic field. That's what it's designed to do to generate more revenue and to be a more visible spot. Just keep in mind, you also are doubling the size of that sanctuary at Briggs Church. And you're going to need more parking there and parking's already at a premium there. So, whatever you can do to accelerate that and do anything for parking, I would ask that we would do that because you're significantly increasing the amount of people on a Sunday. In 1 area, and quite frankly, I don't think it's a reasonable permanent expectation to. have a joint partnership with a church on Sunday when both it's a very active time for both of those. So I would ask you to please, please, please take that into consideration because both you guys are increasing the amount of attendees in a very small confined area where it's already very congested.

Well, duly noted, and again, the relationship has been very good. We've had some excellent pre-season meetings with the church, and there's several things that can be done, not only physically building parking lots, but also how you regulate the parking. For example, on Sundays, we push all the parking to the north side as much as we can, and by design. But this will another 30 or 40 cars. We're trying to push that it'll be a little bigger Is would make a difference for sure?

Other question, I'm gonna give the committee an opportunity to ask Ron other questions on other requests Are there any other questions as it relates to Mindy Ola we spent some time on this one Ron is there any other projects that you wanted to highlight for the committee this evening I?

WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PROBABLY TOUCH ON THE WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PROBABLY TOUCH ON THE OVERLOOK BOARDWALK. I think many of you are probably familiar with the location, but here's the overall site plan. This area is also part of what is called the Artscape Plan that Community Development initiated and completed. And it's also an area that's being looked at with our Park and Recreation System Master Plan update, which we're about 75% done with. So that gives you an idea where you can see the cursor right now. That area has experienced massive flood damage, and we do have a few pictures. First pic, there you go. This is kind of the aftermath of the August flood of last year. Then we have a picture here of, we've been in there to do some at least remedial action, maybe you could call it, to clean it up. The bollards that were damaged are out. The bench that was in there is out. There's a lot of missing boards. Long story short on this one is structurally, city engineering, again, Joel Walter and ISG worked at doing an assessment of what it might cost to repair it as it was. So that's trying to give you an idea of how the budget was developed for the $400,000. And the goal is not to build it back to what it was, and I think that's wise. several communications and discussions with the city administrator against city engineering and others community members on you know what what would be best for this so the first step is to develop a plan of how to try to design this in the fashion that it'll minimize impacts from storms of this nature so Fixing it to be what it was before, there's probably a high likelihood we'll have the same type of activity that put it in disarray. The budget determination of the $400,000 is not necessarily just to fix it, but to rethink it, redesign it in a fashion that it's going to be more resistant to natural events, flooding, i.e. flooding. You have very high water, rapid water, everything that you don't want. in those kind of situations you have down in that area. So again, those estimates were developed with city engineering and ISG taking a lead on that. We know we gotta get it fixed, but it's not that easy, and I wish it was.

Questions for Park Rec and Forestry from the committee or the alderman? Alderperson Wigderson.

So just to clarify, was all of this damage from the most recent flooding in April or was it from last year also? Because we had two consecutive years of flooding. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. The damage became a point where we couldn't keep it open.

Was this last year?

Now, if I was a betting person, I would say there was already some damage undermining the substructure from the event before. There's been too many to keep track of, but I recall back in 2008 when we had the massive floods. But I think it's over a period of time certainly led to a level of deterioration, but this last time around put it to what you saw. And you can put someone out there structurally to utilize that in good faith.

I don't really have a question. I just kind of have a statement that I do feel that for the record this is a priority for me. That is my district number one and number two. It's a huge. conversation that I get from the businesses particularly on riverfront street in regards to the condition of the boardwalk so I guess I'm just putting it out there not that's not a question for you but more of a statement that I do feel that this is a priority I do I think that our riverfront is um something that we um need to um Keep fresh and you know it's it's it's. It's our I don't want to say livelihood, but I think you guys get it. It's it's what we are here in Waukesha, so I think it's really important that we really consider this fix and consider it a priority.

Very good. Alderperson Helgeson.

There goes I just kind of what wanted to agree with Alderman Williamson and her comments. I mean I my district Joins this area and it's a covers part of downtown, too I really appreciate the time that staff has you know from parks from DPW everybody who has looked into this I mean I'll admit when I first saw the damage down there, I was thinking, oh, this isn't so bad. But once I heard how much, like you said, it's been undermined from underneath and how much more severe it was than just looking at it from above. You know, I don't like that we're having to spend as much as we are, but I recognize how important it is. So I would echo my support for this as well. So I appreciate this.

Any other questions for Park Rec and Forestry on capital and or fleet?

Alderman Lemke. I just wanted to say when it comes to fleet, I won't be in favor of vehicles 10, 74, and 26 being replaced. The average age of the consumer's age of vehicles is reaching 11 years old. And other than an oil burning problem on the one vehicle, I didn't see any reason why they had to be replaced this year. I will be moving that they be added to the sidewalks because front page of the Freeman on how bad our sidewalks are and I've had three people in my subdivision and district fall and actually break bones on sidewalks as well as the ones that were issued in the Freeman, I know that Tony's going to propose some addition to the sidewalk fund, but last year and the year before they removed $200,000 from each one of the sidewalks. So we're 400 in the hole to begin with. I think we need to get caught up in my subdivision. They were by in 2019 last and we have 84 sections of sidewalk that are proposing. And and we're still not getting there. We gotta get caught up on the on the needs rather than the wants. So thank you. Sorry, Ron.

Very good last call for park reconforestry.

Alright Ron, thank you. Yeah, thank you very much, but Mr Brown before I got one item here and it's a good segue from what Alderman Lemke had mentioned. So for the second item under major projects, so athletic facility frame baseball. So the project I'm referencing is athletic facility improvements to the baseball diamond at Frame Park. More specifically, it's associated with some of the seating and storage area. Recently, it's come to our attention that Carol is not able to move forward with this project at this time. You may recall in looking at the project sheet that that is a 50-50 split with them. So it's a $400,000 project. So our participation is $200,000. So what I would request of the committee is that we remove $200,000 from this project and then reallocate it to the sidewalk program. As far as the long term for this specific project, we'd anticipate that it would probably likely come back and look for that to be approved in 2029. So again, so this specific project, It would come back likely in 2029, but for the funding related to it, we'd like to reallocate that $200,000 to the sidewalk program.

So for Tony, what you're saying is you're not proposing new dollars. You're simply looking to move them from one project to sidewalks, correct? Correct. Okay. So for the committee, this is the city administrator's proposed budget. So as long as there's no objection to this item by Tony, we don't need to take a vote because until we vote on it, technically it's still Tony's budget before it becomes ours. So I'm not seeing any objection to Mr. Brown's maneuver. I shouldn't say maneuver. Adjustment, pardon me. So we don't need to take action on it, but just note that going forward to council, that $200,000 will be coming out of the Frame Park project and be going towards sidewalks. Anything else, Tony, before we move on from PRF?

No, not at this time.

Okay. Ron, thank you, folks. Thank you. Mr. Shuro?

You never know. All right. Moving on. All right, the next department we have presented here is our library. The main projects that you see on the sheet here are an administrative bathroom update for $155,000, a self-vending locker for $50,000, a rooftop air conditioning unit for $45,000, and then their computer and server upgrades for $62,500. There wasn't anything that was a very large project except for maybe that bathroom update, but we thought we should at least bring these items to your attention in case you had questions.

All right, so is there questions from the committee? Okay. Bruce, if you wouldn't mind coming up. You should be live. It's all okay.

There you go. Bruce Gay, I'm library director here. Alderman Matthews, you had a question?

Yeah, so I have two questions about the self-vending locker and then the bathroom update. It's my understanding that we currently have a malfunctioning or a non-functioning system, right? Correct.

Yes, so that system we acquired in 2021. It was entirely grant funded. The grant was run by the Milwaukee County Federated Library system and they bought about. With the grant about 9 lockers in Milwaukee County and two in Waukesha County, we have one and the others in Muskego. The lockers were designed by a company that primarily works with like Amazon delivery. And so they were meant to be more inside than they were. At the time in 2021, there were not really library vendors who were doing this work. Since then, they've really come in because they see what works about it. The real downside on the current unit that we have is that it doesn't integrate with our library catalog, which means staff has to get a book in, they have to check it out to the person who's not there, then they put it in the locker and the locker then sends a notification that your book is checked out. So it's a lot of staff time spent doing that. With the newer lockers, it will be a streamlined system where the staff will just check it in and it'll be in the locker and they won't have to do as much work. So that's the positive of it. What we have found, though, with the locker is that it's been extremely popular because people use it when they don't, if the library's closed and they come here, you know, if they come to the library off work and it's 6.30 on a Friday, you know, we're closed, this is the only way they can get items. So it works for people who have hours of work that may not fit our schedule as well. So we've had a lot of success using it. It just has not been a good system. It proves a concept, but now we need to get something that really works for us. Does that answer your question?

It does. How long has it been non-operable or not?

Well, it's been off and on. We have, it has 17 bays, so 17 units. Two of them have not been working for the last couple of years. And then the locker as a whole has been off and on, you know, intermittently in the last two years.

Okay. I'm just, it's, you know, $50,000, it's great. I understand the library's open quite a few hours, 11 and a half hours a day, Monday through Thursday. Yep, correct. You know. eight or nine hours on saturday and sunday so or friday and saturday so um i was just wondering uh just seems like a lot for something when the library's already open quite a bit i get it people are at night and it would be a nice to have but people like convenience

they do um second question i have is that the 155 000 for the renovation for the bathrooms out into there where did that number come from isg did a study for us and they did the design work so we have that with the city joe welter and isg worked on that and put together a design for renovating the two staff bathrooms on the second floor and adding a wellness room to it um so that You know, we have a lot of nursing mothers at the library staff and so it's a it's it's been inconvenient for them to. To work at the library because of that. So that's not. That's a number that ISG came up with for us.

And these are just strictly for staff. It's not. These are staff bathrooms, correct? There are still public bathrooms on site. Thank you.

Alderman Anderson.

Thank you going back to Alderman Matthews question about the lockers. Do we know how many unique users we have of the lockers? Is it the same people using it over and over again? Or do we have a lots of different people using them?

Well, because it's been so limited, we've actually limited the number of users that can use it. So it's only limited to City of Milwaukee cardholders. Sorry, City of Waukesha cardholders, my fault. So yes, it's probably the same people using it all the time, but we find that in general for most of our services that we have super users and then other people use it over time here and there.

Is it more than 50?

Yeah, I would say I don't. I don't know the number of head. I can look that up and let you know.

OK, thank you, yeah. Alderman Lemke.

So I am not in favor of self vending lockers. I'm also on the record where would like to say I'm not in favor of Home Depot or any of the stores having self vending lockers when I have to go and shop and pick my own groceries. I feel it. It's an affront to have employees pick stuff and put it in a locker. But they're private companies, and in their profit-loss statement, and they can figure it out. I think that we should keep the service the same for every library cardholder, and we should not have self-vending lockers. If you want to use the library, you should just go in and check out your own book and do your own stuff. So I'm against spending $50,000 of taxpayer funds to help maybe 100 people in the city of Waukesha who can't make it to the library on their own time. I'll be voting no on that, but up to the committee.

Very good. Alderperson Helgestead.

Thank you. I will say I'm one of the users of that locker. I live a block from the library, but there are plenty of times where I'm here joining you all here, or I'm busy with my son, my family, and that locker is fantastic. So when we're checking out books for road trips, I can go on our city library website, request a bunch of books for my son to read in the car, or audio books for us to listen to in the car, and I get that text. I can go grab that stuff when I'm walking the dog at 9 o'clock at night, well after the library's closed. It's not that the library's not open enough hours, it's that sometimes life gets busy sometimes. And instead of having to go grab it off the whole shelf, it's there. It's a really useful thing. I hear this from my neighbors too. Again, we live in the neighborhood. So it's a really fantastic option for folks and helps give them access to our, again, our books, our DVDs, our CDs, audio books. However you want to read or consume something, it's a really nice option. So I would encourage you all to consider that. Alderperson Wiggerson.

I think that, mimicking what Alderman Hegelsted said, I think that it's important for us. We have a very active library, and I'm very proud to say that there's a lot of things that we do to stay on top of the times. Would you not agree? I think that our library is very state of the art, and we have a lot of people that use it. And I have to say that, sorry, Rick, self-vending lockers are part of the future, and I think we need to stay ahead of the game. I am not somebody who's in favor of, how do I want to say, things in a time warp. And I think that the self-ending locker is things that we have to look at for our library to stay up with the times and how people are using it today in today's society. So I'm definitely in favor of the new lockers.

Very good. Other questions for Mr. Gay in the library? All right, Bruce, thank you. Mr. Shiro.

Thank you. Next up is our information technology department. As you can see on the slide here, we have our annual computer and peripheral replacements for one hundred and fifty one thousand. A couple other big projects running through the department, and it's kind of a global item of the last two next to our IN RELATION TO THE ROOM THAT WE'RE IN, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, DOING AUDIO AND VIDEO UPGRADES FOR $270,000, AND THEN KIND OF RELATED THE MEETING MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE, LOOKING FOR AN UPGRADE THERE FOR $100,000. I DO KNOW THAT MR. POFOL FROM THE I.T. DEPARTMENT IS HERE AS WELL AS TONY MAY HAVE OPINIONS OR THOUGHTS TO GIVE YOU ON THIS AS WELL. and Rebecca is here as well. So do you have any questions related to these items?

I had some questions around the council chambers item. So Andrew, Rebecca, or whomever would like to come up. As they're getting settled, I also want to, for the committee, recognize the work of the ITB, the Information Technology Board. They go through a variety of our projects from a technological standpoint and provide feedback for the capital budget. So Alderman Mannion, thank you for the work that you and your committee do every year as it relates to the capital budget. Andrew, introduce yourself to the folks at home. Yeah. I think it'd be good for the committee and for me just to hear a little bit more than what's in the book as it relates to what the city council chambers project entails.

100 percent. My name is Andrew Nafke. I'm the UI UX designer or user interface, user experience designer for the city. Primarily working on the website, but also help manage the AV projects throughout the city. So for the Council Chambers project that we're looking at is obviously this room here. It seems odd that it's so new with a new building, but when everything was ordered for City Hall, it was 2019. So we're looking at equipment in here that is roughly about eight years old at this point, despite its installation in about 2020. What we're looking to do is improve the overall accessibility and improve some of the modernization features within the room itself. So right now, we've been in here for a good chunk of time where we're getting feedback from community members and residents saying, You know, it's a little bit hard to hear in here. Sometimes it's a little bit hard to see the displays that are in here. So are there ways that we can improve their experience when you're here in person? And then while we're looking at technologies that have, you know, expanded quite a bit in the last, you know, five, six years, looking at ways that we can reduce staff time in maintaining this room, be it trying to get through equipment that's failing, reduce the number of failure points in here, and also improving camera quality where the cameras can be run by automation, where it can frame people better without needing someone in the back room to control everything that runs there. So the estimation includes upgrading the cameras, upgrading some of the displays in here, potentially adding in a hearing aid loop into the room, which basically allows a wire of some variety to be added to the room where people with hearing aids can actually just Bluetooth tune into the feed. So like you're hearing it now in a microphone, someone will be hearing it in their ear directly. And essentially we're looking to make sure that the room is good in person or virtually. A lot of this cost does come in the form of programming the room. So to take all these moving parts and pieces to get them to work together, there's a lot of cost that you need professional engineers to actually make sure it all works together make sure that that they all communicate well together so that's a good chunk of the cost in addition to also replacing some of the hardware that's reaching towards its end of life but isn't quite there yet since we do host for about what i have here about 260 meetings a year and about five meetings a week with about four of them taking place on average in this room. We have to be a little more proactive about how we upgrade this room. Also, because that this is also the municipal court, we have to be very conscious of making sure that this room is repaired prior to things breaking down, which is why we're bringing it forward at this point so we can get it done before things start, you know, reaching their end of life sooner than we'd want it to.

So, Andrew, if this item's approved, is it fair to say that we're going to have better connectivity and not have as many delays as it relates to PowerPoint presentations and things of that nature?

There is definitely some hopes with that, yes. So that's some of the stepping stones that we're looking to overcome as well. So right now with the room, there are some failure points that we just can't get around. Like anyone trying to plug an Apple device into most of our HDMI cords just get blocked out. and that's part of the programming that would require extensive cost to replace. Pretty much anywhere that a plug can be plugged in in this room, there is a device that has to go from there, goes to the back, and then comes back out to the monitors again. So there's a lot of moving pieces causing a lot of failure points that, with more modern technology, we can reduce those failure points.

Very good.

Alderman Lemke. Is there anything in your budget that is going to correct the problem that the aldermen have. And it's not just me, because I write my passwords on my computer, forgetting my password.

I'll just have Chris close his ears for a second.

But I think my laptop hasn't worked six out of the last eight meetings. And I know that three or four people voice vote every Common Council meeting. We gotta get that straightened out if we wanna go, otherwise we can go back to voice voting.

Yeah, to answer your question on this slide that Joe has up right now, the meeting management software, that's the Granicus replacement proposal. Andrew and Rebecca, Andrew, they did an RFI earlier in the year to get some pricing. And so within that RFI, or the RFI replies, we're able to see and score those different replies. And we felt like this would be a good number to be able to replace that. so when we look at the issues you're having with the laptops we knew that was we knew that was going to happen as soon as granicus said we're not going to support an ipad app anymore and we're going to put you guys to a start using normal laptops with disconnecting trying to keep them updating updated and everything else that you have and keep them secure everything that you're challenged with right now is is something we expected. We didn't think it was going to be quite as bad, but when you compound the Granicus issues, not being able to get logged into Granicus, no warning of when your Granicus password expires, and then the voting not working properly, that compounds the other issues with trying to use the full-size laptops with battery issues or trying to get logged into the laptop. So yes, there's something in this budget where we're trying to fix those.

I just wanted to state, I don't write my password on my computer. It's on a post-it note in my wallet, and then I take it out and I put it on there.

And also, for the record, all aldermen are passwordless. They need a physical device to log in.

Okay, thank you. Alright, very good other questions from the committee as it relates to it.

Alderman Matthews just one quick question. Chris, can you clarify? You said that this is it's labeled as on this line item Council chambers. This also has implications. Can you just clarify it does work for the municipal court as well that meets in there. So it's not just a city council thing. It's for the court as well, correct?

It's municipal court as well.

OK, thank you.

Alright, very good. Any other questions? All right, gentlemen, thank you. Mr. Sherrill.

Thank you. All right. So a few items here for our fire department. The biggest major project they have is the Training and Recycling Center building roof replacement for 1.2 million, also named the old incinerator building. That has been in the plan for quite some time. It has been reorganized a couple of different times, and this was the year that we had slotted for the roof. um and their their main equipment replacement was their pp e replacements for 105 000 and then they have an ambulance replacement number 171 for 327 000 and we do have the gentleman here from the fire department if you have any questions or if they would like to provide any other comments related to cip

Chief, yeah, Rob Goplin Fire Chief and with me is Tim Fleming, the assistant chief. We will walk through the training center item and we'll start there and then we'll come back to some other questions that were submitted by Alder Piper.

Good evening, so just a quick overview of kind of how we're using that training center and what we do in there. So in 2025 last year we logged just over 900 hours of training inside the facility, That hosts a lot of our technical rescue training props, confined space injury, high-angle rope rescue with the rappel wall. There's a simulated trench in there for trench rescue. Additional things that we're doing in there, there's standard structural firefighting, our SCBA confidence course. And then we host the CPET, so that candidate physical agility test that's required for all of our new employees to be eligible for hire. So it's a multi-use building that our department uses routinely. So just a good opportunity to... take a look at what we're using that building for and give some clarity of what we're doing when we're down there. I guess just a point of emphasis also that confined space entry prop that we took delivery of that was donated to us that's hosted in there now as well that was placed just recently. Any questions with the incinerator building? I'm sorry, the training center building. We're trying to get rid of that name.

I was going to say we could probably drop recycling center from the name, but we're going to go with the training center.

Older person will spend on the sheet for that training facility with anybody else.

Sure. So we do have some contracts with several other fire departments to use that facility. Part of our requirements for our ISO rating is to train with our mutual aid partners. So we do have some contracts that allow other departments to come in and use that facility when it works within our schedule. There is a fee to do that and they're required to cover all of their expenditures and so on. It is not going to be a significant revenue generating piece of property for us or an option for us. Really what we're trying to do is cover the costs when they come in and use that facility, cover any expendables. We have people on site when that is going on, and that covers our costs as well. It also will help us to offset maintenance costs and recertification costs for some of the training props in the tower and so on.

Thank you.

Other questions for the Fire Department? I know chief you and I spoke a little bit about the Solstice system. I think maybe you want to touch on that.

Sure, we'll go over the questions that you submitted and I'm going to defer the Solstice question to Andrew from communications. Essentially the question was that PD has the same system mentioned, and the question was whether or not we're going away from Solstice. Gotcha.

So currently we have a product called the Mersive Solstice. It is supposed to be a wireless device, or a device that allows you to wirelessly connect to any displays. uh... over the course of time we've started to move away from them due to the fact that they frequently overheated and melted their internal components to the point that they wouldn't work anymore uh... we've been frequently moving towards uh... microsoft teams rooms uh... as a replacement for that uh... and we found that it's about the same annual cost for licensing a teams room than it would be to keep a license for immersive solstice pod um per room it's about 400 for a team's room and roughly about 300 to 500 for immersive pod depending on what level it is what you know what licensing it needs excuse me so we're trying to standardize everyone to be a microsoft teams office also that brings the benefits that outside users can actually access our devices much more simply without having to give them special permissions over the wi-fi

Great thank you Andrew. Now just add that that is a system that we use every day. Every morning we do our morning briefing on it and we use it multiple times a day for training sessions and various other meetings. So a couple other items that we'd like to just touch on real quickly. I think are important to note and Tim will walk through the upgrade short radio system.

So again, just to be clear, this is a 2028 citywide project. So this was sitting in our CIP collaborating with Mr. Tony Brown and all of the city departments. We were able to sit down and look at opportunities here to move this project back into each of the city's individual department budgets. So currently what we're doing now is going back individually as departments, look at areas where we can see cost avoidance or looking at reducing any radios that are there. And then really just broad spectrum, the idea and again, this is a county wide project and quite honestly, a regional radio upgrade. It's creating more capacity to the existing radio system. So if you ever key up a mic in the middle of an emergency or busy time, and you get a busy signal, that's a bad feeling. We've experienced a couple of those during busy times, especially when, you know. LARGE SCALE EVENTS HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, MULTIPLE EVENTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. THE FOLKS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SYSTEM FOUND OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCREASED CAPACITY, AND THIS IS PART OF OUR OBLIGATION TO UPGRADE OUR RADIOS. SO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $150,000 THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO REDUCE OUR DEPARTMENT'S INVENTORY AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. WE'RE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COUNTY. not just us, all city departments in a bulk radio purchasing process that the county is heading up. And we have routine workshops with them as we look at radio capabilities and then to realize those true discounts through bulk radio purchase.

Thanks, Tim.

I just wanted, I thought it's not an item for 2027, but as you saw in the book, it's a really big number for 2028. And I just wanted the finance committee to have a little bit of a preview of that and the council as well. So nothing for 27, but more to come for 2028 on a multimillion dollar radio replacement project.

Right last project of we'd like to talk about just a little bit as the 80 repeat replacement program. You know sudden cardiac events are one of the leading causes of death throughout the country with more than 350,000 out of hospital cardiac arrests annually. There's a lot of value in this program, and we have a fair amount of publicly available AEDs, but we also have the AEDs within our department and with other city departments that are incredibly important for us to replace. There's actual events that have success stories here in the city of Waukesha, where at the intersection of Madison and Delafield about five years ago, PD actually deployed an AED and was able to defibrillate a patient who was in cardiac arrest in his vehicle and that person survived that incident. There are other examples all throughout Wisconsin. The 16-year-old Arrowhead student who was shocked with an AED or defibrillated with an AED and survived. In December of 25, a Madison musician went into cardiac arrest on a stage and survived because someone used an AED And also in July of 25, a triathlon participant went into cardiac arrest in Door County, and a bystander used an AED and survived that event as well. So significant investment, but also a tremendously important program for the city. And Tim, you want to just talk a little bit about how many we have and where they are?

Certainly. So again, this is another great example, sorry, of collaboration across the county from parks to PD. There's roughly about 106 public in use, I shouldn't say public, AEDs in our community that are either in police cars our fleet vehicles, park rack, and all how is inside that pulse point community that I hope a lot of us are aware of. And it gives that opportunity for not only us to start that chain of survival earlier, our dispatchers are able to give access information and location of these public AEDs if they were to call 911 and be in proximity of that unit. So it's a great collaboration across a bunch of departments to get those tools to the person in need as quick as possible.

So Tim mentioned Pulse Point. So if you've not downloaded the Pulse Point app on your phone, it's a great way to find these AEDs. And if you're kind of a nerd like me and want to know where the fire trucks are going, it kind of tells you that too. So it's kind of a nice little dual use application. Any questions for the fire department on their capital budget? Alderman Anderson.

Just a question about the AEDs. Is there any consideration, or maybe this already exists, to include epinephrine in those, or access to those?

Yeah, so it's certainly a consideration that we've been, we're in conversation with our medical director, and obviously it's a hot topic of an addition there. There are some pretty significant side effects that are part of that. We do carry that as a medical service to our patients. CITIZENS ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY IN NEED WHEN WE'RE CALLED WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THAT AS AN OPTION FOR THE PUBLIC USE BUT NOT AT THIS TIME THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALL RIGHT GENTLEMEN THANK YOU THANK YOU MR SHIRO ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT NEXT DEPARTMENT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

uh kind of an affirmation project at the police building they have their major or their equipment upgrade for the conference rooms related to converting to those teams conference rooms for two hundred thousand dollars and then they have a 10 item list of squads and trucks in the fleet budget for a total of six hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and uh looks like we uh have the gentleman here from the pd if you have any questions

Gentlemen, if you wouldn't mind introducing yourselves. Good afternoon, everybody, or should I say good evening. Chief Dan Thompson with me is Assistant Chief Ty Hoffman. And our screen, there we go, it's back. Don't touch it, Joe.

So to expand a little bit on the previously mentioned departments regarding the conference room upgrades, in addition to being used every single day and multiple times a day, this equipment is in our training room. And that is significant in that we bring outside training into our police department and host on a frequent basis. and we need to have a professional manner in which to be able to display content on screens consistently, which we are not getting with our current product. Where that comes into play is because we are able to host training, organizations, tech schools, et cetera, seek us out to host training, and then for being able to use our location, we often benefit by getting free slots in that training. So it's a... A moneymaker for our department in that we save money on our training budget by having a reliable and up to date modern training room in which we can host training.

Very good questions for the Police Department alter person Matthews.

Topic of the week or of the month. The budget for the flock camera for 56,000 in there. My question is more. besides having them and going further, why is that in the CIP budget as opposed to an operating expense when it typically, it looks like it's consistent throughout the next five years? Why would we include that and why would we capitalize and pay the additional interest rather than take it out of the operating budget? To me, is that going to stay? Is that gonna be a consistent annual expense? And if so, to me, that seems like it should go into operating.

That was done under a previous administration for finance directors, and it was a different viewpoint of CIP versus operating costs at that time. So when that contract was signed, 22, 21, 22, it was a five-year contract, and that was decided upon at that time. That contract has got two more years on it. At the end, I would imagine that we would revisit that exact topic that you're discussing.

Okay. I was just curious as to why it was there and not in operating.

Other questions for the police department? Alderperson Moulton.

Is the conference room we're talking about the training room down the hall over here, or is there another training room at Dillafield Street?

Yes, we have a police department training room. It's not the city hall training room. These are all police department rooms.

Thank you. All right, very good. Any other questions for police department?

One other item of note that's not on for 2027, but as you mentioned earlier, is a significant number, and that's regarding the dispatch console upgrades. That becomes necessary due to the fact that the current systems will become obsolete and not support the next gen E911 systems. So we are in a position where we will need to consider replacing those consoles. I believe it's 28 or 29. I'm not sure which year, but it is not 27. I know that.

It's 2029.

Very good. All right. Seeing no other questions for the police department, gentlemen, thank you. Thank you.

Mr. Shiro. We're getting there, I promise. All right. Next up is cemetery. uh... we have two major projects to note here uh... the phase one of their boulevard improvements for one hundred fifteen thousand and then uh... street lighting on prairie home drive for sixty five thousand And then they have three items total in fleet for a total of $39,500. I know Karen is here, and she has a couple of slides that she wanted to kind of cover with you related to the major projects.

Good evening, Karen.

Hi, Karen Richards, cemetery director, Prairie Home Cemetery. The first slide here is showing what the plan is, and you may have already seen that because it was the cemetery commission and the council approved the concept plan. But this highlights, so the plan is approved, but now we're looking for the funding. And to do this project in phases, I think Joe is circling phase one. You can see left center. That would add another 72-inch hexagon columbarium and some sidewalks where we can then place some individual cremation options along those sidewalks. The plan is in three phases to be implemented as needed. Phase two, we're looking at possibly 2030 cremation. And that would be on the south side of the boulevard, adding additional columbarium and sidewalk. And then the phase three would be in the future on the north side of the boulevard. So the boulevard is there. There's two existing columbarium where you see existing kind of area that's in the center with red. And there are some benches and cremation rocks there as well. But the rest of the boulevard is really just green. It's just grass and it's a prime area for adding. So our cremations are approaching about 60% of our placements and there's definitely an increase in demand for cremation options and we're about 95% sold. So we really need to have additional options for the customers, and we need to keep up with demand. And this is one way of doing that and beautifying the cemetery.

Any questions about that? Any questions for Karen on this item? Not seeing any. One more.

And on this map, I believe there was a question about the lighting project that's been in the CIP for multiple years, and here we are now, 2027, next year. So Prairie Home Drive pretty much cuts the cemetery in half, north and south. It goes east-west. It is a city street, and currently there is no lighting along the street. um this issue came to cip years ago before i was at the cemetery since that time some of the lighting has been improved improved excuse me at west avenue and at prairie avenue just in the last year we did replace the street lights so that helps a lot at the entrances but in between there is where this more decorative types street lighting is recommended for safety reasons primarily.

Karen, one question that I had kind of trying to tie two projects together. We talked earlier this evening about the pavilion at Mendiola and the need to get fiber optic service city fiber to that site. I'm just curious if if there is a way to potentially use this project as a way to get city fiber over to Mendiola in a shorter route. That would necessarily then necessarily running it all the way from South from South High School. So I'm not trying to not putting on the spot. I know this was something I mentioned, I think to Tony, but just curious if there's been any conversations internally about that idea.

Well, a couple of things. First, I think we'd need to call up Chris.

And Chris conveniently stepped out.

Okay. Or some other expert on fiber.

Why don't we do this? Why don't we table my question and Tony, Chris, and yourself, maybe get back to me on that one.

And I don't know how this relates, but this project was earmarked to be a WeEnergies project. So it would be WeEnergies lighting, not city lighting.

OK, that might provide one comment. With regard to your your idea is, I think part of the challenge would be going across the railroad, typically dealing with the Railroad Administration. They are not on what I would consider otherwise timely type of situation. They're kind of go to the beat of their own tune. So if we were to go down that route again, I would be that we'd see delays in the projects, and then potentially we're going into another project year to try to get that done. So that would be kind of the overall concern. Whether or not that's actually something that would need to be planned for, I think that's a discussion we'd have to have to see what type of permitting we would actually need, et cetera.

All right, thanks, Tony. Other questions for the cemetery and Karen this evening?

Thank you. All right.

Thank you, Karen. Mr. Shiro. All right.

All right. We are Department of Public Works, and we have a couple of divisions on their slides, but I believe we're in the homestretch.

So I'm not saying halfway through.

No. I'm going to go with more than half. So anyways, so the items that we have on here are just for the kind of the governmental side. The major projects that we have are our minor streets projects, which you can see there for Waverly Wood and Charles. Those projects in particular are actually being funded by TID, not from the regular geo debt issue. So just keep note that 2.1 million is directly related to TID. The resurfacing projects are for $4.4 million. We have a couple of areas in the flood mitigation for $2.1 million. The Area 8 is where that section of road there is the construction piece, and then the deer path design is also included in the 27-year. And then there is the North Street and St. Paul two-way conversion, kind of like the second phase of that, for $3.8 million. On the fleet side, we have basically four full and two partial dump trucks for $1.4 million included in the budget, and then a front-end loader replacement for $428,000 included as well. I do believe that Alex and Brandon are here to kind of discuss a couple of things with you. I do have one... thing to put on the screen, or are you gonna plug in? Do you want me?

Why don't you go through the high-level next page?

Clean water?

The clean water and then the parking, and then we'll get into it.

Oh, you wanna, okay, go over through it all? All right, all right. Per Alex, we're going to keep going and then we'll come back to talk some specifics on the clean water plant side for major projects. We did mention all of these items at the previous meeting. We have sewer pump station enforcement project for 2Million dollars. We have a sanitary sewer rehab or replacement for 4.6. The 1 thing that I want. I want to note here is a lot of the vast majority of these projects are tied to all of the road projects that we have. or flood mitigation. So there is, again, this is the areas and those roadways that we know we need to do some work on our sanitary sewer. And then the last portion of the phase three facility upgrades are planned for $4.7 million. And then just kind of the last couple of divisions that we have. In the transit side, we have three fixed route buses for $2.1 million and a paratransit bus for $300,000. The thing that we noted previously, and it's still the case, is all of this is being funded by federal and state aid. So none of that is coming from the levy. And so significant dollars that are being funded in another way. On the parking side, we have two items, our South Street ramp structure upgrades for $100,000 and then a surface lot rehab lot number 11 for $260,000. Let's make sure that is the end of the list, so I will turn it over to Alex and Brandon to talk about whatever they have their mindset on.

Good evening, Alex Damien, director of Public Works.

Brandon Schwinn, city engineer.

I'd also like to thank Zach, Brian, and John for showing up as well. If there's any questions related to clean water plan, transit, or city garage fleet, they would be called upon. So I'd love to go over every single page in the CIP book from DPW, but I'll hit on... the larger projects, the more impactful projects, and then the items that had been brought up for question along the way or where we see frequent questions arise. So the first item I guess I was going to go over was just a high level on the resurfacing program. It is a large dollar amount, $4.5 million, but I'd like to note that that includes 16 roads in three areas around the city. One area north of Racine near Roberta and the bypass, another area over on north of Sunset to Tenney, from Tenney over to the bypass, and then the south half of Springbrook subdivision. So it's a large project overall, but it includes a lot of work including some underground work, but resurfacing the roadways and also upgrading handicap ramp areas and replacing lots of sidewalk on those projects. The next project we do receive questions on or have, as you've noted tonight, concerns regarding flood control in the city. I'd like to hit that at the high level here. um as most of the council knows we had a stormwater management plan created back in 2014 since then we've been working through that list that original plan had listed somewhere around 41 million dollars worth of construction projects to date were approximately 19 19.1 million dollars into that is what's been spent and completed so generally speaking these projects increase the capacity of our storm water system whether that's the piping whether it's ditches or increasing an area for storm water storage these projects and areas could take one year they could take two years three years multiple years to complete the area For example, the area around Green Meadow Drive in North High School, that area is our latest project that's being completed, and that project has taken three different phases to get through that. It started in 2019 on Summit, and then channel improvements in 2022, and then 2025, and now wrapping that up in 2026 right around North High School. So that project is wrapping itself up for that phase, general area, but overall it's coming together quite well. I will note that while we have invested a lot of money to increase flow in and around that area, there will still be some stormwater pond or flooded ponding on Michigan Avenue. There's just some areas that we aren't able to fix. So we do it to the best of our ability. And then another point is that The improvements that go into place don't necessarily fix something completely. It decreases the likelihood of high-level flooding, but there can always be a larger storm event. So you put a pipe in the ground, and there's always a possibility that there's a storm that's larger than that pipe. So these projects in general take a long time to develop. It was commented tonight about possibly moving forward the Hunter Road area. We do agree that's a high priority to complete. However, completing the design, development, utility coordination, all these other things takes a long time. And where that's slated in there for 2028, we believe we are able to meet that deadline and complete it in time for that. So if there's questions on that, either Brandon or I will answer those. Before I move on, I guess, anything?

Any questions thus far from the committee? All right, Alex.

All right. The next item, one of our favorite items to talk about and that you've asked about, Alderman Piper's, the West Avenue landfill project. We annually have to spend money at the landfill, long story short, but the city is responsible for that landfill over off of West Avenue that there's soccer fields on. That previously was a gravel pit, and then it was turned into a landfill, which the city, for some reason, took ownership of in 1965. And we operated it as a landfill for our waste and industrial waste until 1975. Then it was closed in 1975. Candace sat there for a while. Then in 1990, some more stringent requirements came in through the DNR. They did inspections, made us put wells in, all these other items, improvements, including installation of gas piping, gas extraction wells, groundwater monitoring wells, perimeter property, sub-slab air venting, and the cap. So those are the things that we are always going to need to manage, inspect, repair, maintain, et cetera. So even though it's capped, it's not gone away. Next item, unless there's any questions on the landfill. No, OK, would be the North St and West Saint Paul two way conversion project. Most of our questions we received on that is about the limits. Brandon has forwarded that display all around and I'll ask him to kind of walk us through what that project entails, since it's a rather large project nearing $4 million.

Thank you, Alex. So as Joe, I believe, has on the screen, and you guys have the paper handouts also in front of you, just a quick kind of overview on what the limits are of this project as, you know, the text on the CIP sheet can only go so far. Picture's worth a thousand words. So here it is to kind of outline it. the orange box is our limits of full reconstruction of the pavement along moreland boulevard east east north street and east st paul avenue so everything in orange there we are proposing to fully reconstruct so what does that mean complete pavement replacement complete sidewalk replacement where there's sidewalk ada curb ramps curb and gutter the works for full reconstruction What that also means is addressing this intersection's biggest complexity, which is the traffic signal. anybody that has driven through there the traffic signal is is in poor condition it's being held together with hopes and dreams at this point and does need replacements so that is the biggest driver of this project but we can do kill a few birds with one stone and do the full reconstruction of pavement that desperately needs it in the orange limits we can upgrade the traffic signal we will be looking at with a traffic study a reduction of potentially lanes or a kind of a road diet of through lanes moving through there to you know kind of decrease the footprint that decreases the pavement that we do need to maintain also shortens pedestrian crossings and just makes a safer intersection overall we will institute any safety improvements that are recommended through our traffic study and etc As far as the blue limits go, we also will be having a section of asphalt street resurfacing that will tie into our full reconstruction limits that will go back to the limits that we stopped at in 2022 with the 1st phase of the 2 way conversion on North Street. That's over by Milwaukee road and then Saint Paul Avenue that is closer to Albert street. So. Overall, that's the general limits of the project. You can see that to the north, we do not go all the way to the city limits. That is intentional. There is a reason for that. We have been made aware of Waukesha County's intention to apply for STP funds for their reconstruction of County Highway F as it goes towards 94 and then beyond as well. THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO REPLACE THE CITY SECTION FROM THE LIMITS THAT I HAVE DRAWN THERE ON THE ORANGE TO THE CITY LIMITS THAT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY'S PROJECT AND LIKELY GET THAT IF THEY ARE AWARDED STP DOLLARS WE COULD GET THAT 80% FEDERALLY FUNDED AND ONLY REQUIRE A 20% LOCAL COST SHARE SO WE DO WANT TO HEDGE OUR BETS TO TO TRY AND HAVE SOME OF THAT COVERED NOT AT 100 CITY COSTS SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT LIMITS DEFINITELY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON ON

Questions on Alder person Matthews Just thank you just from a timing perspective. Have we coordinated with the county it will you know the other routes be Completed by then this of major thoroughfare in and out of the city and it's already kind of challenging at certain points Will this be coordinated in from a timing perspective?

Absolutely, we have had not only discussions with Waukesha County, but also the Wisconsin DOT as they are working on the I-94 and F interchange project. That is a 2028 project, so they are actually after us, which is good for us to coordinate that. We'll go first and have our intersection be fully improved. Likely that will see a higher traffic volume during with thoughts. projects depending on what they do with traffic control for that interchange so we have coordinated our efforts with any planned projects the county has as well as wiston thank you any other questions on this project all right gentlemen

All right, moving on. Robert Piper had a question or thought on the sanitary pump station project and how or if that might relate back to the development that is going to be occurring in the near future at the Huber facility. So the answer to that is quite possibly yes, but that project development project doesn't mean this project doesn't need to happen. So what we've looked at already with that new development is the sizing of our sanitary sewer system in that general area because as we know that the change is changing for that site and there is a section of sanitary sewer that is undersized that will need to be upsized and also there's a potential that either one or both of these pump stations need to be upsized but that'll be looked at we're also looking at possibly consolidating those two pump stations because they're rather close together so those all those things will be analyzed before that project is implemented so we will be looking out for the future development of that site with taking care of their sewage Great so. To answer your question, sir, it does. OK. And that's all right. I know that there was we had talked a little bit about the sidewalk item with Tony mentioning additional funds being transferred there and his executive budget. But if there's any other thoughts or questions on that, we'd be happy to go over that.

Any other questions for Department of Public Works and engineering? All right, gentlemen, thank you. Mr. Shiro.

It's back. All right. Well, that actually concludes the power of a PowerPoint presentation marching through the departments for 27 projects. The two things that I want to remind the committee of for any recommendations for removing and then moving funds to another project, potentially, if that is your intent, I would ask that you ask us how much of the projects you want to remove are related to general obligation debt. because there's some things that are funded in numerous ways some geo debt and some other things like other either donations uh... sale of existing property so i just ask that uh... there's a difference between what we're borrowing for in some of these cases and if you're going to move that funding to another project i ask that you at least know what the net GEO debt is before you make that decision to request. So that also being said, What was presented is the executive CIP document. So that was actually what was proposed. I understand Tony brought up another item for you, but what's on the agenda is the document. So if you, I would just say, if you agree with what Tony said about removing the frame baseball project and then adding to the sidewalk project, I would ask that you remove the... Frame Baseball Park project for $400,000 and you add $200,000 to the sidewalk project. That's the Geo debt portion of that project, but I would say I would prefer that we actually have an action to do that from the committee beef because it's not the document. It's on the document that was proposed from the city administrators office.

OK, so Tony, I guess. I guess I'll ask both of you, because I think we can do that, maybe make that motion and take that vote and then take a break. So how would you like, Joe, how would you like that worded? Because I originally mentioned that I didn't think that we needed to take action because it was technically still Tony's.

I would say that if we didn't put the entire document in there that showed our totals and now the totals are changing, I would say that we should do something about it. We can do that.

So I guess help me out with a motion, Joe.

Well, I just in the motion, it should cite that you would like to remove the frame park or frame baseball park project from 2027 for $400,000 and add $200,000 to the sidewalk project. All right.

So moved. Is there a second to that motion? Alderman Lemke.

Is that a second? Yes.

All right. So we have a motion and a second to adjust the budget that removes the frame baseball park project, as Joe indicated, and adds $200,000 to sidewalks for the year 2027. Is there any discussion on that motion? Alderman Lemke.

Last week at the Common Council, we disallowed a claim for someone who got hurt on the sidewalks. And I've been speaking about sidewalks for years. And I think the city knows how bad the sidewalks are. I would hate to see someone sue the city because we know how far behind we are on sidewalks. While not technically notified of a specific sidewalk that the person trips and breaks their arm, breaks their shoulder, or breaks their hand, which I've had in my district alone, I think we need to address the sidewalk issue to get it, instead of a 10- to 12-year replacement around here, specific neighborhoods, we get it down to a reasonable period. So I'm trying to increase the budget that was cut last budget cycle by $200,000, $200,000 by the budget cycle before because it used to be $500,000. When I came on board, I was successful in increasing it. So this will add $200,000 to the budget while still not cleaning the sidewalks, fixing them fast enough, in my opinion. We've got to do something about this issue. It's one of the safety concerns through everybody's district. So everybody has broken sidewalks. So we don't want any Freeman articles anymore. Thank you.

Mr. Brown?

If you could indulge us for a second here, Brandon Schwinn has an analysis that he completed on that, and I think it would be important for the committee to hear that for your sake of just general awareness.

Thank you.

Brandon?

Thank you very much, Tony. So Alderman Lemke, it's a very good point. I think it's a concern that's on everybody's mind. Obviously, we've garnished some, I guess, media attention, so to speak, on the condition of our sidewalks. But I think it is important to note just looking at the size and the scope of how much sidewalk that we actually have citywide. uh fortunately i've been able to give a few presentations to uh council members uh over my time and and have really hit home on the actual square footage that we have in the city we have 11.3 million square feet of sidewalk in the city that is our responsibility to maintain So how did we get here with the condition that our infrastructure is in? A lot of factors played into that, but we did make some policy changes that have now tied to budget and how far that sidewalk program is moving on an annual basis. So if you remember 2023 type era, there was a referral by a former alderman to look at the sidewalk program overall and where the funding source is for our various sidewalk types. I did a study, we looked at a lot of items, brought it to council for the decision to move forward with. And what that decision was was that the city would bear the expense of fixing condemnable criteria sidewalks that were not related to tree damage. Previously, the city would cover any damage related to the trees and anything else. that would actually be assessed to the residents and the homeowners. So that was a policy decision that we made back in 2023 and move forward with that ever since. So that is something that is obviously has a budgetary impact. Alderman Lemke did bring up that back then we were also budgeting 500 000 annually for the sidewalk program ever since 2024 cip that has been reduced to 300 000 so that's where we've been at historically now that we're looking at increasing that fund but where does that get us that say these last few years of 300 000 how how much of the sidewalk are we looking at with that program that we're touching ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR SO, WE'VE BEEN INSPECTING 2.5% OF THE CITY'S SIDEWALK WITH THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM. SO 2.5% OF THAT 11.3 MILLION. So the concept of getting around the city at that rate, it's not a 10 or 15 year amount. It's a 40 to 50 year window at the current budget funding at our current rate with the current condition on the sidewalk. Another piece that is really playing into that is that Over the, since 2021, we've seen a 46.4% increase in the cost of sidewalk per square foot under the sidewalk program. So we're fighting an immense amount of increase in costs. We have sidewalk that is continuing to deteriorate and we're only scratching the surface with the sidewalk program. So that's the challenge of the sidewalk program working its way through The city that we're running into, we can't get the momentum because there just isn't enough from a dollar amount perspective to make a dent. The one thing that I'll note is that the sidewalk program isn't the only program that touches sidewalk. We actually do a healthy amount of sidewalk replacement of condemnable criteria sidewalk and tree damage sidewalk with our resurfacing program. we replaced in 2025 88 000 square feet of sidewalk with the resurfacing project that is a huge amount that is more than our sidewalk program does annually so looking at it overall we are actually making an impact on our resurfacing So our asphalt street resurfacing program actually does about the same amount, if not more, than our sidewalk program does on an annual basis. So combined, at least the picture looks a little better that we are making some progress and we're doing our streets at the same time. but that's where we just the sheer size of how much sidewalk that we have to maintain the the dollars are are we're we're fighting a decreasing trend and and even on the resurfacing side we do see better pricing economy of scale bigger projects we get a better dollar per square foot, but they're not. They also are seeing the 40 plus percent cost increase of sidewalk over that same period as well. So I guess that's really the the analysis that we've done in the sidewalk program. Definitely welcome any discussion based on that, but just kind of wanted to paint the entire picture for everybody from a mathematical standpoint.

Alderman Lemke.

So just surmising what you're saying. So if they were through my subdivision in 2019 fixing the sidewalks and I now have 87 in my subdivision that are cracked and people trip on. from the trees. You're telling me about 40 years it takes to get around to my subdivision again. It'll approximately be 2059 before they're through again the second time. And that I don't... I think that's pretty nasty. Not from you guys, I mean from a budget standpoint. Three broken people in the last three years just tripping on the sidewalks in my subdivision alone. Mostly calls from the trees and the bedrock, so I'm not blaming the city. Maybe we should stop planting street trees. If that improves by 10 years maybe of having to do it again, you know, being a tree city is wonderful, but if we're taking 40 years to get around to the sidewalks that are hurting people, and I'm sure you've all had people in your districts that have been hurt and tripped. I just wanted to say from a city standpoint, we gotta do something about the sidewalks and let's figure out a way. Thank you.

other questions alderman manion i don't know if this is as much a question as a comment but when we made that policy change i'm going to say this is not the bill of goods we were sold as a council My understanding was we were slivering the city into pie pieces in about an 8 to 10 year rotation. Not a 40 year rotation for looking at sidewalks and sectors of the city. So this is kind of shocking and... quite frankly quite disappointing to hear that this policy change didn't do what we were told it was going to do and you know i agree with alderman lemke you know we have to do something and if it's a major policy decision that needs to change to fix this let's let's get that rolling because you know 40 year replacement is not realistic in my mind and you know if I if I heard you right Brandon with the numbers you gave if we have a roughly 11 million pieces of sidewalk or 11 million squares and we're only replacing about 88 000 a year That's 125 years that it takes to rotate through all the sidewalk in the city. So again, not really a realistic or acceptable number.

So I think this is probably a larger policy discussion that we'll have to have sometime in the next year. But I do just want to reiterate what Brandon said, and he can tell me if I'm interpreting what he said incorrectly. So with the 40 years, it's not necessarily 40 years, right? Because he's saying it's 40 years if we continued with the same amount, the $300,000 of funding, Moving forward, it would be 40 years. Now, obviously we've talked about increasing it $200,000 tonight, but the other piece to that is that the resurfacing project is allowing us to basically double the amount of work that is being done. So in reality, it's probably more like 20, 30 years, somewhere in that range. Having said that, I think another component of this is the fact that in January at the council workshop, we discussed increasing the amount of road work by a million and a half dollars to maintain the pavement condition rating that we have. which is included in this budget. So one of the impacts of that, right, is that that is additional dollars that will be going towards sidewalk replacement. So again, I think the major takeaway, right, is that it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of probably 20, 30 years. Yeah, is that sufficient to get through the whole system? That's really a policy question. that we can revisit later this year. But overall, I just didn't want you to walk away with the thought process that it is 40 years because that's not accurate.

Alderman Lemke, then Alderman Anderson.

I just wanted to state my recollections of Corey Payne's suggestion to not bill the people for a cracked sidewalk that wasn't caused by trees. And it was staff's position that it was very costly to condemn that piece of sidewalk. And we would almost, the budget constraint of replacing that piece of sidewalk without going through the condemnation project process was very close to what the piece of sidewalk would cost now that's what i was sold on it wouldn't cost that much more from our sidewalk program but i'd like to see and this is a policy about 10 years okay let's do something to get it down with that but if we can't even argue about a $50,000 vending locker. I don't see much success in getting sidewalks improved more, but that's just a policy decision that I'd like to just talk about. Thank you.

Alderman Anderson.

You may not have the answer to this, but just out of curiosity. And I'm not disagreeing that there's an issue with some of the sidewalks that need to be repaired, but the vast majority of our sidewalks have to be in good repair. I mean, do we know what the percentage is of that 11 million square feet that need to be fixed?

Yeah, we don't have exact data on how much of that sidewalk meets our condemnable criteria, et cetera. Obviously, with the sidewalk program, we inspect the area that we are getting through with the budget, and that's where we inspect and we mark out the sidewalk that needs to be replaced. We do the same thing on the resurfacing projects. We target those areas. for that year's work and then go on to the next year's work the year after. So we don't, we haven't done a widespread inspection of that $11.3 million. That would take a lot of staff effort to do so. So we don't have great data there. But I guess that is something that could be done if desired, but it would take a lot of effort to get a real handle on the exact percentage that is in a state of disrepair. Thank you.

Any other questions for Department of Public Works and Engineering before we take a break?

Go for it. Alderman Anderson. Just any questions. Based on the request for the $30,000 for the security cameras for the drop-off center, Is there a ration of people throwing away stuff when we're closed? And I guess I would also argue that. I think people would prefer that they are able to go to the. Drop off center and throw their trash there, then leave it on the side of the road. After hours when they're trying to dispose of it secretly.

so just just a comment i guess is there really a need for that security camera at the end it's replacement of existing camera infrastructure is is the prime is the focus of that but has those cameras caught people dropping stuff off we illegally i mean we we have it's a way to monitor city facilities that are i mean closed during you know i'm not operating hours and especially you know if there's disposal like that's a fee somebody sneaking in there illegal dumping they could be dumping hazardous waste whatever into the drop-off center that's important to have security footage of our city facility thank you

Mr sure reminded me that we actually had a motion on the floor that we need to take action on and that motion relates back to sidewalks which we talked about for a bit that motion was to take Mr Brown's recommendation to remove the Frame Park project and then add $200,000 to 2027 for sidewalks and they had a motion and a second I'll call any further discussion on that All right, all those in favor of that motion, please sign aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay, so that motion passes. So with that, what we'll do is I'll ask if we can take like a five to seven minute break, stretch the legs a little bit, come back, and we'll take any amendments from the committee and vote on those, and then ideally make a formal recommendation to council on the capital budget. So we'll see you in about five minutes. Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, if everyone... No, now I'm off. All right, good evening. Patricia says my mic's on, but I don't hear myself. All right, so, oh, there we go. All right, we're gonna reconvene. So we're at stage, the meeting, where I will open it up to members of the Finance Committee if they have any amendments to the 2027 to 2031 CIP. Are there any amendments from the committee? Alderman Lemke.

I want to read more. Rick, could you use your mic? Sorry. I want to remove from park and rec the Chevrolet Colorado pickup truck number 10, the Chevy 4x4 pickup with plow and salter number 74, and number 26 Chevy half-ton pickup and take that $55,000, $65,000, and $55,000 and put it towards sidewalks. Okay. Okay.

we're just going to check the math real quick joe in total that's 175 000 for those three vehicles currently and then the geo portion of that is 155 500. okay so what we're gonna we're gonna okay we'll we'll work out the

geo stuff here. All right. So I'm just, all right. So the motion is to remove these three vehicles for $175,000 and transfer that money to sidewalks. That's your motion. Yes. Is there a second to that motion? I'll second it alright so Alderman Matthews seconds the most seconds the motion so the amendment on the floor again is to remove three vehicles from PRF fleet. And transfer that $175,000 to the sidewalk budget for 2027.

Sir Mr Chairman Mr Brown with the committee like to hear a little bit more about the vehicles before making a voting on the motion.

I will leave that to the maker of the motion because I know we did the show and tell and we have the materials. So I'll leave that question to the maker of the motion.

I don't mind reconvening your thoughts. I heard them once before. I think vehicles is my area of expertise, especially light-duty vehicles. I refer to the maintenance manager for city fleets for lawnmowers and plow trucks and that sort of stuff, but I think I have a very good handle, 50 years' experience on light-duty vehicles and how long they last and what their maintenance costs problems are and go from there. Thank you.

OK, very good. So we have a motion and a second to remove the three vehicles. What we'll do is we'll do voice votes on these and if it gets. Noisy will do individual votes. So seeing no further discussion on the motion, all those in favor of the motion please sign I I opposed nay. That motion does fail by a vote of three to two. Are there other amendments from the Finance Committee this evening? Alderman Matthews.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would make a motion to amend from the library budget. I'd like the removal of the self-vending lockers for $50,000.00. and a reduction in the $155,000 renovation budget to $100,000. So a total reduction of $105,000 from that particular category between those two.

Is there a second to that? I will second that motion. Alderman? So Alderman Matthews, you have a question?

Just out of curiosity, do you want them to be considered together, or is there a reason why you put them, if I'm for one and against another, for example?

If it be proper, we could separate them out. I could rescind my motion and amend my motion.

I'd prefer that you did separate the two items. Thank you, gentlemen.

I was going to get to the same place. Maybe if you want to start with the lockers?

Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we remove the self-vending lockers for $50,000 from the CIP budget for 2027.

Is there a second? I second that motion. Second by Alderman Lemke. Okay, so the first amendment to consider for the committee is removing the lockers from the library that were discussed. Is there further discussion on that item? All right. So what we'll do is we're going to do a voice vote on that as well. So all those in favor of removing the self-locking lockers from the library, CIP, sign aye. Aye. Opposed? Nay. No. That item does pass by a vote of three to two. So that item is removed from the CIP by a vote of three to two.

And then, Dale, you want to restate your second motion, please? Mr. Chairman, thank you. I'd like to make a motion to amend the library CIP budget and have a reduction for the administrative area self-bathroom update. I'd like to reduce that from $155,000 to $100,000. Is there a second?

aye i second okay so we have a motion and a second by alderman lemke so the motion is to reduce the administrative bathroom area project from 155 000 to 100 000 there's been a motion and a second mr brown

If I could just speak to that for one second so the impact of that is likely the project would have to be re sculpt and that it would not include everything that's entailed in the project sheet today. So just for your awareness.

And I'm going to be in opposition of the amendment because this has been a project that's been on CIP for the better part of probably half a decade. And I've actually been part of nudging this along, and I think it's time to get it done before it costs probably even more. So I'll be voting in opposition of this. Is there other discussion on the proposed amendment to reduce the staff restroom project at the library? Okay, all those in favor of the motion, please sign aye. Aye. All those opposed, sign nay. Nay. That item does fail by a vote of three to two. Are there other amendments from the Finance Committee this evening? All right. So it looks like we're done with amendments for this evening. I think for the committee and the greater council, as we move towards recommending a formal budget to the council, when we take this to the council at the next meeting, the full council will also have an opportunity to propose amendments to the CIP. And it's also very fair to make mention that members of the committee that made amendments tonight have an opportunity to bring those amendments back up in front of the full council for a full council consideration. So Joe, I've tried to stall for a minute or two for you to give me a new number.

All right. For 2027, the total is $40,675,107. And for the total for the five-year plan, it's $179,539,873. All right.

So before I make a motion on the CIP and the five-year plan for the full council, are there any other amendments from the committee this evening? Any other questions from the committee or the alderman that are here this evening? Okay. All right, so I will make a motion to approve and recommend to Council the 2027 CIP budget of $40,675,107 and the 2027 to 2031 CIP budget as of $179,539,873 as amended. Is there a second to that motion? I'll second. Second by Alderman Anderson. So we have a motion and a second on the full CIP recommendation to Council. Seeing no further discussion on that, all those in favor of that, please sign aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Very good. So that item does pass unanimously. So we have the Finance Committee portion of the capital budget concluded. I want to thank the work of the Finance Committee. This was a very good discussion tonight, and I appreciate not only members of the committee that joined us, but four members of the Council that joined us as well, plus the directors and staff that spent a good two and a half hours with us this evening to answer questions as they come up. Thank you all to that. Mr. Brown, Mr. Shuro, any communications?

I just wanted to say that I appreciate the committee's support of the CIP. And then definitely I'd be remiss if I didn't say thanks staff for all the time and effort that they put into this, especially coming here tonight and taking time away from other obligations, which may include family time. So it's certainly appreciated. And I just want to acknowledge that

uh... as we move forward and i'd echo that uh... joshua you you and your team i know denise is here quietly helping us with granite gets another thing so denise thank you for taking some time with us this evening mister shiro just couple things uh... the so that this recommendation does go to the next council meeting which is next tuesday uh... september fifteenth Then just in relation to this committee, a couple things I want to bring up to make sure that we're on track for the next few meetings. Currently in our, we have, our next scheduled meeting is Tuesday, September 29th for this committee. That's what's in the schedule. But then in relation to the budget calendar, the budget schedule, we kind of have like an unusual schedule Not unusual, it's typical, but we have two meetings in the same week currently scheduled. So in October, right now, the first meeting is our regularly scheduled meeting, which is the 13th, Tuesday the 13th. That is basically the first half of the operating budget presentations. And then we have the second half scheduled for October 15th, which is a Thursday meeting. So I want to make sure that everyone is aware of that. I'm reminding everyone that that is currently on the budget schedule. If we have any issues with that, please let Tony and I know and Alderman Piper so that if we have to try to do something else, we have the ability to do that. We can change schedules a little easier now. Not easy, but easier than if we wait until we get up to that week. But that's all I have for tonight.

Any referrals from the committee? Any objection to adjourning? Seeing none, we are adjourned. Thank you, folks.

Thank you so much.