Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

Second twenty twenty six meeting of the Plan Commission to order. We will start with the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Alright, so it does look like we have a quorum tonight, so we can move right along. Are there any public comments? Alright, seeing none, approval of the minutes. We actually have two sets of minutes. Is there a motion to approve the minutes from the March 25 meeting?

So move.

Alright, is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Alright, is there a motion to approve the minutes from the April 1 meeting? Thank you, is there a second? Second. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye. Alright,

that passes as well. Alright is there anything to be removed off of the consent agenda? Alright then that means that the consent agenda does pass. First up we have a public hearing for the conditional use permit for 222 West St. Paul Avenue. Charlie, do you wanna just kind of go over that real quick? Yep. Thank you.

Alright. So this is 222 West St. Paul Avenue. It is between North Street and St. Paul Avenue near their intersection with each other. As you can see, the property extends all the way between the streets. The portion of the building that faces towards North Street has been has an office that has been occupied continually and a parking lot that which is paved. The section, as you can see, the building is kind of divided in half. The section that faces towards St. Paul Avenue is more utilitarian, and it has been vacant for quite some time.

And the parking lot next to it is gravel surface. So here, you can see the building from St. Paul Avenue. It has a brick first level and then metal siding on the upper level. The applicants would like to refurbish this section of the building and then lease it to a number of different commercial users.

And they would also like to pave this parking lot and remove the curb that is intended to prevent direct access to it and then remove the barriers between the lot which faces St. Paul Avenue and the one which faces towards North Street so that it can be used both lots can be used by the tenants of these spaces. They also plan to add to restore the siding along St. Paul Avenue. This is the proposal for the new siding, replace the windows and then add a new front entrance to the commercial spaces there with ramp for accessibility as well as new stairways.

And this is what they've submitted for dividing up the space. They have a number of different suites. And they plan to add some landscaping along the front of the building, add one new garage and replaced the garage doors for the other existing overhead door entrances as well as some of the smaller man doors. They had hoped to have both site plan and architectural review and the conditional use permit on this agenda. But unfortunately, the site plan that they had submitted didn't contain quite enough detail for the engineering review in particular.

But just to note here that the plan is to have access between both the parking area facing North Street and the parking area facing St. Paul. And they'll add some new some striped parking spaces there as well. And they will be using some of the drive area on the adjacent property for that access. So they'll need to have a cross access easement and we'll need to see that that's been recorded with the county prior to issuance of building permits there.

They also plan to add some curb and landscaping in the area that is currently gravel in front of the parking lot. So this particular tenant, they're able to go ahead with the conditional use permit, even though they weren't able to go for the final site plan review quite yet. This particular tenant would be occupying Space Suite E. So as you can see, St. Paul Avenue would be along the what is the right side of this floor plan.

The tenant space is closer to St. Paul would be they expect to have more commercial or retail users. But this space they believe would be appropriate for more of a construction type user. So the proposal is for Jesus Auto Repair, which or auto detailing, which would occupy that space. As you can see, there's a large overhead door and then a smaller door to the left of it and that's existing.

The plan is to expand that smaller door and add a new overhead door in that space. And that will be the primary vehicle access to Jesus Auto Detailing and then there 'll be a new full light mandor added as well into the existing doorframe. Jesus Auto Repair will be auto detailing and minor repair service plus incidental sale of replacement parts. They'll operate five to six days a week in that space. They hadn't identified hours of operation on their application, but there are some residential areas nearby, including, I believe, on the next door property.

So staff would like to limit that to regular business hours, limit the auto repair work specifically. They are expecting to have one to two employees and they have stated that they won't be doing any repairs that would require loud power tools or a lot of noise. So they expect that the repair noise will be minimal. So staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit for Jesus Auto Detailing at 222 West St. Paul Avenue with the conditions that the vehicle repair work and cleaning will be done between the hours of 8AM and 6PM only.

Any office work or related work could be done at other hours, but specifically repair and cleaning work will be in those hours. Any vehicles stored outside must be licensed and operable and at least two employee parking spaces and one customer space must be available for this business at all times in addition to spaces that would be required for other tenant businesses. No automobile sales would be permitted on the property and any necessary alterations to building in site must receive required city approvals, including site plan and architectural review, building permits and any associated permits. And all work must be completed and an occupancy permit must be approved before operations can begin there. And any signs must receive applicable sign permit approval prior to installation.

Great, thank you. This is a public hearing, so we'll start. Are there any comments or questions from the general public at this time? All right, we will close out that public hearing and we will come back to that item when we get to action on public hearing. So we will move on to the public hearing regarding the conditional use permit for March. Doug, I think you've got that one.

Yes, I do. Thank you. So this is a conditional use permit for 330 Wisconsin Avenue. This is located right at the corner of Wisconsin And Clinton across from our library in Cutler Park. And currently the Hebron House has been leasing this property and would like to purchase it for their uses.

So they currently operate housing facilities on the second level and have office space on the first level and then there is an existing apartment unit on the first level as well. In the B 2 Central Business District which just falls under, residential uses are allowed as a conditional use. The upper level and the apartment have been existing there as residential uses for quite some time now. But Hebron House is also looking to propose another residential unit on that 1st Level. So that's why they need to extend the conditional use for this site.

So here's a picture of the building if you're not familiar with it, maybe it looks familiar now. And the conditional use will be to extend some resident uses on that first level. With our conditional uses in the business district, it does require that the front 50% of the building remain in office use and that is what their proposal is with this project. So there's currently one existing apartment in the, I guess, the upper right hand corner of this floor plan. And what they would like to do, the area highlighted in kind of orange color is where they would add the the second apartment unit.

So there'd be one on each side in the back. And then the front would remain an office space and conference space for the Hebron Health Services. So they just basically create an all new apartment unit right there, the rest of it would remain office in the front and the existing apartment in the back. Upon the second level, there would be no changes to the use up there. Currently it's in a rooming house style residential facility.

So there's a couple of kitchens up there and bathrooms and then several rooms lining the perimeter. That use would remain the same. But with this as Hebron House is gonna be purchasing the property, they would like to give the building a full face lift both inside and out. So they'll be repainting, redoing floor coverings, everything on the inside to make it feel like new. And that'll sounds like that'll be on both levels.

New kitchen cabinets, things like that. A full redo of the building, new HVAC equipment. So they'll be giving it a full facelift. And then on the exterior of the building, they'll be replacing the cement stairs which go up to the front porch which are in kind of state of disrepair at this point. So they'll be able to replace all of that.

They'll be doing all of the repainting all of the trim work and repairing where needed along the porches and along all the windows. They'll also be adding some new landscaping. I'll show you landscape plan in a little bit along the front of the building here. New gutters and downspouts. So it's a full facelift in the building and they'll be retuck pointing the the building as well as you can see also a brick building.

This one just showing some of the the detailing. It is kind of an interesting building. Can see some of the brickwork up on the top. But they'll be on all sides they'll be doing that trim work. Also in the back here there's a little driveway and that's gotten into quite a bit of disrepair.

So they'll be repaving that entire driveway. There's also some concrete steps at this location that go down to the basement and those will be repaired and redone as well. This was just the foundation plan here where they'll be doing some work with the HVAC in the basement but also this is calling out where they're going be doing the repaving work behind the building and replacing those steps back there as well that go down to the basement. They'll also be taking up some old windows and putting in block windows for security along the front and side where there's two windows into the basement space. And then I mentioned that we'll be doing a landscape addition with this to kind of spruce up the front there, which will be nice to see directly across the street on Clinton is where the new hotel is going as well.

So this is kind of refurbished the whole intersection here. They're mixing in some spruces, some hydrangeas and then some low junipers as well kind of throughout the beds here just to give a little more street presence onto the corner of Clinton and Wisconsin. At this time staff would recommend approval of the conditional use permit for 330 Wisconsin Avenue to allow the residential units as proposed. Just noting that the residential uses allowed on the 2nd Floor and the rear 50% of the 1st Floor and that Hebron House may use the front 50% of the 1st Floor for their office use as proposed.

Excellent. That is this is still a public hearing. Are there any members from the public that wish to speak on this item? Alright. Then we will close that public hearing and we will go back to the conditional use permit for 222 West Saint Paul. Are there any questions or comments from the commissioners? Yes.

Thank you mayor. I don't wanna speak about the conditional use. So after we take action, I'd like to just make a comment about the property because it's going to come back to us and I just wanted to make a comment. Okay.

Yes.

How are we handling the parking here? So it looks to me like the parking that's existing pretty much services that piece that Steve Vanderbloom used to operate. But there's not much parking around the side of the building. And it looks like there's about, I don't know, 10,000, 12,000 square feet between the two floors. Is that building a tenant to be 95% auto repair and no office or the split between the two?

It'll be a split between the two. So if they will have to probably use some of the parking spaces that are facing towards the office for some of the uses in this in the other portion of the building. It looks like they're adding about four parking spaces. So

Steve is not running his insurance business out there, I don't believe anymore. Are those two buildings tied together in any fashion or are they intended to be totally separate except for the party wall?

They would not have direct access between inside access between the spaces, but it will all be on the one property.

Okay. I was just thinking of the battle between parking stalls. So hopefully there's some agreement that works for that.

Anyone else? Alright, are there any motions? Yes, Alderson Wells.

I'll make a motion to approve with all staff comments.

Okay, is there a second?

All set.

You guys can duke it out. Go ahead. All set. Excellent. Alright, then please voice vote. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Alright, I was gonna say I thought that was everybody. So that motion passes unanimously.

Thank you mayor. I just, this is not so much pertinent to the conditional use, but I echo what commissioner Keller is talking about. I was there today. I access it via north, so I'm glad that that fence is coming down. But at the same time that that makes the parking between the two areas easier, it also seems to be a place that people could just drive through to get to the other street.

And then lastly also, the one exhibit you had Charlie shows garage doors and the pavement that needs to be redone. Right next to that is a viable business and I noticed that the parking for that business is right on that lot line. So the striping and the however they decide to care of the parking, think is going to be very important to the traffic flow obviously. Once you're there for whatever reason, where do you go?

We'll definitely make sure to take a closer look at the parking for that.

Thank you. So

we've already passed the conditional use, but this is going to be coming back to us in a couple of different ways, right, Charlie?

Yep.

Yes. So I'm thinking that might be a better time for you to speak so that way we're speaking specifically on the agendized item. But you can always chat if you have if you wanna chat after. Choose the property.

Oh. I

mean, if you wanna come up here if it's easier, that's fine. Sure.

Your question's already answered.

I'm Ashley Pollix with Thrive Architects. I'm not sure where that came from exactly, that fence that's in between the two parking lots. We hadn't discussed removing that. There's a vape shop and a liquor store there and they didn't want that traffic coming, the foot traffic coming through the two parking lots. We'd like to keep that fence there. Okay. Just a comment.

Good to note for the future. Excellent, thank you very much for that extra comment. Alright, so we will move to the conditional use permit for 330 Wisconsin Avenue. Are there any questions or comments from the commissioners? Alright. Are there any motion? Oh. Commissioner Peller.

Hey Doug, how are we dealing with handicap accessibility on this? Or aren't we?

They didn't identify any in these plans. I'm not sure what's going to be required of them when they get to building permit time.

I mean it seems to me that

It's a very limited building as far as how you could even get access to

I understand. But buildings like the Waukesha Cafe that had to suffer putting in a ramps and so forth. And the building that was non compatible for accessibility, this seems to me where you have 50% business on the Ground Floor and you have a couple of residences on the Ground Floor, there's no accessibility. So I guess I would ask the planning department to look at that and the architect to look at that to make sure there's a way to deal with it because we've got quite a bit of height here and I don't know how you'd put a ramp in anyway, but seems to be a requirement these days. So I would just ask that that be looked at further. Sure. Okay.

All right. Any other comments or questions? All right. Are there any motions? Go ahead.

I move that this be accepted and include the staff comments.

All right.

I approve it but I'd like to make sure that accessibility becomes an issue before it's just swept under the table and not identified.

Is that accepted? It is. Alright. Excellent. So we have a motion to approve but with looking into the ADA requirements, and how that might be possible. So if everyone could please say aye if they are in favor. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? No? Alright, that does pass unanimously. Alright. Making sure I'm on the right page here. Alright. Next up we have the minor site plan and architectural review for 330 Wisconsin Avenue. Did you additional on that? I know you sounded on a presentation.

Right, no I didn't really have anything else to add. If you wanted to pull up any of the slides if you had any other questions. Sure. And then as far as that goes, we did recommend for approval of the minor spar with all city department comments and concerns to be addressed and we did note in the comments the engineers specifically called out what the ADA routes and accessibility was gonna be for the building. That will be addressed.

Are there any additional comments or questions regarding this property?

I would imagine that the accessibility requirements might change, substantially change how the building is going to look at what level will staff bring that back for us to review? If they have to do a ramp that takes up that substantially changes the facade of the building?

Sure. If they had a ramp or do something that's gonna substantially change the look, it obviously would come back to you.

Okay.

Because it would probably adjust the landscaping or whatever depending on how they do it or how they fit it in.

Sure. Okay. With that I'll make a motion to approve with staff comments.

Okay. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Alright. We've got a motion and a second to approve the minor site plan and architectural review for 330 Wisconsin Avenue. All those in favor oh, did you have a question?

I just wanted to make a quick comment and that is being grateful as the city that someone is going

to take care of the property.

Yes. Given its current state. I just had one question for you, Doug. What is the zoning of that property?

The property is under the B 2 Central Business District.

Okay. So it's not it's not institutional, it will stay on the tax rules.

Correct.

Thank you. Thank you.

Alright. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Alright. Any opposed? Alright. That does pass unanimously. Thank you. Alright. Next up, we have a final site plan and architectural review of eight zero one Northeast Avenue. Charlie, you've got that one?

Yep. Alright. This is 801 Northeast Avenue. It's on the East Side of East Avenue, right at its intersection with South Street. This is the East Terrace Apartments, which is a nine story high rise apartment building, which primarily serves elderly people and people with disabilities.

It as you can see, the apartment building has two wings, one of which extends back all the way to Pleasant Street. And it also has a small parking lot to the south of the building, which serves it. The applicants would like to add three solar arrays. The primary one would be on the rooftop of the building and would have no visibility from any surrounding properties or from the sidewalk. That will have an area of about 9,000 square feet.

And then they'd also like to add two secondary carport mounted solar arrays in that South parking lot. So you can see the locations of them here. The one they're both shade rows of parking. The one closer to the street will be about 68 feet long by 24 feet wide for an area of about 1,600 square feet. And then the one in the center of the parking lot we'll say two rows of parking that will have an area of about 3,000 square feet, 49 feet long by 60 feet wide.

They'll be supported by metal poles, which will be it will extend up from the ground from concrete bases, which will extend underground. There will be four poles supporting the one closer to the street and then three in the center of the parking spaces supporting the ones in the middle of the parking lot. So this is the larger array shading the central parking spaces. You can see the poles extending up in between the spaces and then the solar array will be again 49 feet wide extending over both spaces. It'll be angled slightly to catch the sun, but at a minimum we'll have a clearance of 14 feet over the parking spaces.

So that will allow for vehicles to get underneath. And then this is the more narrow solar array, which will be closer to East Avenue. So you can see it'll just be extending back from the poles rather than in both directions, so 22 feet wide. And again, that one will have a minimum clearance of 14 feet as well. So here's the parking lot.

As you can see, there are a number of mature trees around the parking lot and the applicants believe that they will have to trim some of the tree branches, but they don't believe that they will need to remove any of the existing trees. And this is from the other angle from inside the parking lot. The property to the south is a one storey office building, which is owned by Catholic Charities. And as you can see, the windows there have fairly minimal visibility. So we don't anticipate a major impact.

We're having this structure near the building. It will be set back a minimum of five feet from the property boundary to the south. And the applicants have identified a minimum of 40 feet from the COVID-nineteen

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second half of this the parking area is in a side yard. So an accessory structure was not allowed in the side yard. And they did receive a variance approval from the Board of Zoning Appeals on April 13. So staff recommends approval of minor site plan and architectural review. I believe that final site plan and architectural review for the solar panels at 801 Northeast Avenue with the conditions that the engineering department and fire department comments will be addressed.

Excellent. Are there any questions or comments? Yes, Commissioner Kahler.

Charlie, do you know what the percentage of support these panels will give the building in terms of overall electrical consumptions at 50%, 20%?

I do not know that. I'm not sure if the applicant is here but

Okay, I'm just curious.

Any other questions? Yes, Alderson Wells.

I'd like to add a condition that the trees be maintained and if they are removed that they need to be replaced. They're an important part of the landscaping and I don't want to lose the trees to gain the solar panels.

Is that a motion?

Yes, I'll make a motion with that comment and all staff comments.

Okay, is there a second? Yes. You want a second?

Yes. I'll

Alright. Then all those in favor of approving the final site plan and architectural review with all staff comments as well as alderperson Wells comment, please say

aye. Aye.

Any opposed? Alright. That does pass unanimously. Moving right along. We have a final site plan and architectural review for 576 Elizabeth Street, Ares Industries.

Alright.

And that is also Charlie.

So this is 576 Elizabeth Street. It's at the intersection of Elizabeth Street and Franklin Avenue, just to the south of Bethesda Park. This was came to the Planning Commission for consultation at the March meeting. So most of you are probably familiar with it. This is a manufacturing building.

It's owned M1 light manufacturing. It is, as you can see, has been sort of cobbled together over the years. There are a number of additions to the building. Here it is from ground level. So it's a one one story, utilitarian manufacturing building.

The adjacent property is 550 Elizabeth Street. This is the former Jiffy Gel plant, which is now occupied by Ares Industries, which is a robotics company. They would like to expand into 576 Elizabeth Street and they'll be the sole tenant and they'll use it for adding robotics equipment to vehicles. So here it is from Elizabeth Street. As you can see, there's a very little visibility for the building.

This is looking down at the from the north from I guess over Bethesda Park. This is an aerial photo that was taken in 2018. The building had a large portion in the rear, which was right up to the railroad. The applicants believe that at one time there were deliveries that came directly from the railroad into the building. That portion had fallen into disrepair.

So that was demolished at some point in the last few years. And the applicants would like to rebuild that section to allow for the use that Ares wants to bring to the building. So here it is from Bethesda, from right across from Bethesda Park. This is, I believe, Dunbar Avenue. You can see it's at least partially screened by the railroad tracks.

And you can see the what is existing behind the building or at the rear side of the building right now, which will be covered up on this proposal and from the railroad tracks. All of that along the north side will be painted to match the tan color of the rest of the building. So here is the proposal for the addition. It's all the area that's in hash marks here. It's an area of about seven eight thousand roughly 8,000 square feet, which is all of the portion of the building that had been removed plus any one section of the existing building as well.

The applicants will use it as a drive through. So trucks will enter on the east side and then they'll have work done on them and then they can exit out onto the west side of the building. Here it is, our perspective from the south, it will mostly match the height of the existing building, but there will be a section in the center, which will extend up a little ways. And then this is from the north, that will be a vertical metal panel siding facing towards the railroad track and towards Bethesda Park. Here's that same perspective colored.

So it'll be again painted tan to match the rest of the building and the existing portion that will remain in place will also be painted to match the rest of the building. Again, this is the view from Dunbar Avenue that is partially screened by the railroad tracks there. From the south side, you can see the portion that will extend up a few feet above the existing building. And then also on the front of the building, they'll be removing a couple of overhead doors. And there'll be one main entrance to the building there on the south side.

On the east, there'll be the entrance to the new addition, which will have an overhead door to allow for truck access. And then on the west, it'll match what's there and the trucks will exit out of the overhead door on the left on that elevation on the top of the screen there. Between 576 Elizabeth Street and 550 Elizabeth, they're proposing to add a new drive lane to allow access to that rear section of the building. So you can see that close-up here. So the lot line will run right down that drive lane and they will need staff had suggested either that they would need to combine the property or have a cross access easement that allows access across this driveline.

The applicants have indicated that they would like to do an easement there. The applicant owns both properties, so they can grant themselves an easement for both properties. Trucks will be will drive in through this lane and then pull into the they'll have to turn make a relatively tight turn there to pull into the building. So here's the existing strip of grass between the buildings that will have to be removed and flattened out. And then they'll be adding a retaining wall, which they have provided detail on that since last month.

So that'll be a split face block retaining wall similar to what's pictured on the right here. Also to note, the applicants are proposing dumpsters to be located in that corner and they're proposing it without any dumpster enclosure. They have stated that if they were to add a dumpster enclosure that it would make it difficult for the trucks to get through there. It would hinder their movement a little bit. Staff would just note that part of the reason that the Planning Commission usually requires masonry dumpster enclosures is to protect the dumpsters from being run into by vehicles in parking lots or in drive lanes.

So staff would recommend that they would add a dumpster enclosure and that if it's going to hinder the access that it would be located somewhere else on the property. So they've provided a number of renderings just to show that there will be minimal visibility there. So this is from straight on as entering the drive lane from a little further back in the parking lot where it'll be partially blocked by the retaining wall from the street where it'll be almost fully blocked. Most likely it would be even less visibility there because of some existing landscaping. And then from the other side where it will be pretty much entirely blocked by the or screened by the railroad tracks.

Staff would just note, we had a similar situation a couple of years ago with the same applicant was the owner of two adjacent properties and looking to lease one of the spaces to North Pillar Brewery and they requested an exception to the Planning Commission's normal standards to allow dumpsters to be stored in the adjacent property in an existing shed. And the Planning Commission did approve that exception with after some pretty significant discussion and assurances from the applicant that the dumpsters would be kept in the shed. They were left outside for several months, if not longer, in the past year until planning staff contacted the applicant to let them know that this was an issue and that there would be code enforcement that would happen if they were not moved inside. They have done a better job of keeping them inside the shed since then, but they are still regularly left outside for sometimes several days at a time. And this location, this is from Friday of last week.

This is an area where, obviously, because it's right by city hall, city staff is going to see any violations and are able to stay on top of it. The location on Elizabeth Street does not have that advantage. So any issues related to the dumpster enclosure would likely not be able to be addressed. In addition to the proposal for the addition to the building, the applicants would like to repave the parking lot in front of it and then add in a new fenced area for storage of vehicles. So you can see the existing parking lot was paved at one time, but it has deteriorated to the point where it is mostly gravel.

So they would be repaving that and adding some green space both along the west side facing out towards Dunbar Avenue. And on the in front of the building, they'll be adding curb along those areas. And so here's the area to the west where they'll be adding some green space there and closing off a secondary access. And then right in front of the building, they'll be adding some lilac trees, arborvitas and some shrubs and then a patio with a pergola right out in the front of the building as well. So here's the rendering of that.

And then zooming out a little bit, you can see the fenced area where they'll be storing the trucks that they'll be working on. They are using it for that purpose currently just without a fence. So you can see that in that location as well. And also note that there's some homes that are to the south and east of that area. The applicants have proposed a chain link fence with along the south and East side, some screening initially they had screening slats there, but staff had noted that that is and the Planning Commission had noted that that wouldn't be preferred due to maintenance issues.

So they're proposing still a chain link fence with a screen added. Staff feels that, that will have the same maintenance problems as chain link or as the screening slats would. So we would recommend that, that be a solid fence at least for the portions of the property that face towards the adjacent residential. So some of those homes have fences in the backyard, but it shouldn't be the responsibility of the adjacent property owners to provide screening from the uses on this property. Also, lastly to note that the applicants will be adding lighting to this parking lot, some decorative accent lighting out on the west side facing towards the street and then in the parking lot towards the adjacent building and the front of the building, some larger or taller lights to provide security in the truck storage area and then some lighting around along the attached to the building as well.

And they have provided the detail that staff had requested for that. So staff recommends approval of final site plan and architecture review for 576 Elizabeth Street with conditions that the property will be combined with Phyto V Elizabeth or proof of a recorded cross access easement will be provided and that the cross access easement will include the new driveway and no dumpster storage if the dumpsters are going to be located there. The trash will be stored in a masonry dumpster enclosure. The location and design of the enclosure will be approved by staff prior to issuance of building permits. And the fence facing the adjacent residential properties will be a solid fence.

Wood, vinyl or other solid material would be acceptable. And then the design for that will also be approved by staff. And engineering department, fire department, one of the utility comments would be addressed.

Excellent. Thank you. Are there any questions or comments from the commission? All right. Are there any motions?

Are there any speakers from the

Oh, sorry. Yes. Please come on up. Hi.

My name is Mark Rollinger. 2144 North 68th Street, Wauwatosa, Wisconsin. Thanks for presenting, Charlie. Appreciate it. I just wanted to discuss one or two of the items if you guys have a quick minute. So on his comments, we talked a little bit about these dumpster enclosures, and he's hoping to provide a masonry one. Do you mind jumping back to like the overview of the turn radius? So, in this depiction, we kinda see our turn radius is a little bit tighter than we'd prefer. A masonry enclosure would vastly increase the amount of space those dumpsters take up. So, it could prove making that turn problematic and a mystery enclosure obviously can't be adjusted at a later date.

It is permanent. It is there. It is a major investment that could be really problematic. The idea of suggesting it somewhere else on-site, you know, is valid. We would lose potential future employee parking, which is already at a premium on the site because of the nature of the business with that truck storage. So we were hoping to keep it there. A lot of the reasons for a dumpster enclosure is to eliminate the unsightliness of a dumpster. As Charlie did show from some of our presentations is it's very well hidden from the back. The railroad tracks are higher than a dumpster. And on both the, east and west side, there's buildings that are much taller than the dumpster.

Even from our street view, you know, the ramp the grading kinda goes down towards the back of that building. So the sight lines, the dumpsters are almost completely enclosed there too. In addition, it's almost 250 feet or more away from Elizabeth Street. So we kind of advantageously, it's kinda tucked in to our job site there. I know that, we normally don't wanna make exceptions to a rule.

So if you can't, I totally understand. But, our site specifically, it kind of lends itself to tucking them away. There is no other back of the house in the site here. You know, it would be a large masonry dumpster enclosure out in the front of the building, where here these dumpsters are, you know, very well hidden and obscured from the public. Where even though a masonry enclosure might not look as as off putting, it would be right on the open, where here they're relatively hidden.

That was one comment I had on the dumpsters. I can definitely, you know, discuss them further if anybody's got any question. And then the only other question or comments I had on the fencing is that some of the fencing, we do have solid wood fencing towards the neighboring properties already. In these kind of industrial areas, I drove around the city and most businesses that are, you know, commercial like Ares Industries is, that being a robotics factory, they usually have chain link fencing. Wood or vinyl tends to be more residential, and this is a business.

So they wanted to lean more towards, you know, their their roots and that production and stuff. I So think the chain link would be appropriate here. But I mean, obviously, we're open to whatever you guys decide. We're not going to hold up the project for that. But it does lend itself to the project here more. So those are some of my comments. Mean, we've had to discuss them if anybody's got any questions or, you know, feel I'm in the wrong on any of it.

Commissioner Keller.

Could you take the dumpsters and push them back to the location of the existing retaining wall along the railroad tracks, which gets them out of your turning radius and pushes them, I guess, further north of this, if north is up?

The only concern I have with that is our building is built on our easement on the property line. Now, there, the property line goes a little bit further so I might have that leeway but I'm not sure if the retaining wall dumpster enclosure can also approach on that. I have you know, have a variance to build up to a certain point and I don't know if the masonry enclosure retaining walls allowed any closer to the railroad tracks there.

Well, I guess that would be my recommendation if you can work on that because that gets them out of the way you're turning radius, it still allows the city to develop an enclosure as requested and hopefully it's a win win for both. Don't know the answer to that. I'm just throwing that out there as a possible solution.

Are there any other questions or comments? Alderperson Wells.

Yes, I would also support if you need additional variance to move those dumpsters back. I know that dumpster enclosures are something we push for quite some time. There's a lot of factors going to it, including containing trash, keeping it from blowing out dumpsters, keeping it contained to a smaller area. It's not one that I think I really we have enough sites that have issues with it and it's one that we've really held firm on. As for the fencing, I like the screening more than the slats that you guys are proposing.

But while this is a commercial industrial space, you guys are right up against residential. And so I think the interest there is softening it for the residential nearby. If you guys had commercial right around you on that side, I think that the chain link would be just fine. But I think that we're trying to screen it more than chain link is going to do. And I think staff is right that there's concerns about how certainly the slats and then probably that fabric screening is going to hold up over time.

Commissioner Brinker.

Thank you mayor. I agree with commissioner Wells with regard to his comments about the enclosure for the dumpsters. We've worked on this for years and I guess I had one other question. I've been there. The area to the west of the building, that's part of the parking that kind of circles around. Is that correct? So in this exhibit, it would be to the right.

On this picture towards the right, like where that dumpster currently is? Or

It it would be behind this picture to the right, I would think. Charlie, maybe you could show the exhibit of the building from the front.

Like this?

Yeah.

You're looking at

Right where your pointer is. Going further beyond where the building exists, is there room there?

Oh, like up towards the railroad tracks or towards the north where his hand is right now?

I'm trying to get my directions.

Oh, sorry.

It's it's if you were driving in there right now and looking at the front of the proposed new structure, to the left are residents and the backs of homes. In other words, is there another place for the enclosure? That's really what I'm trying to get to.

On that larger site map

Just Sorry. Sorry.

Thank you. On this larger site map, short of either pushing it back if I'd if I'm able to do that or taking over parking spots. There isn't many other spaces. I would probably have to take up employee parking, which is at a premium, or see if I'm able to push back on the property towards the railroad tracks there to make room for an enclosure, a masonry enclosure.

Yeah. I I support the recommendation that it'd be enclosed. And I thought maybe to the west of the building, is now employee parking, at least consider that.

Mhmm.

And in terms of the fence, I do respect your comment about this is an industrial manufacturing site, but it's nestled in a wonderful neighborhood. And there are, we talked about this when you came for the conceptual discussion

with

the plan commission that you've done so many things to acknowledge the historic original building And right across the street are all these single family homes. And right to your left, as you're looking at the front, are also family homes with fencing. And so that's what brings me to the same conclusion that commissioner Wells had. That there should be more substantial fencing that doesn't need high maintenance, but that also fits in and nestled in with the neighborhood.

Sure. And Thank you. Not trying to be agreeing on that, so that's perfectly fine. We can acknowledge that. The wood fencing would still surround those neighbors properties. And as for my own fence at home, wood fencing and vinyl fencing wears down very quickly as well. But it is completely understandable and, you know, we would definitely respect the plan commission's wishes on that. So, you know, that is understandable.

I think maybe we're making a comment also about the aesthetics of it. So the actual material may be one substance, but it appears or is made to look substantial and neighborly.

Yeah, more inviting.

Yeah. Commissioner Keller.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of what kind of materials come off the manufacturing? Is it metals? Is it

What Ares does is they they make different robotic equipment for sewer excavation stuff. And what's happening here is a truck would come in like brand new from Ford or Chevy or whoever. And they actually just put their their stuff into it, their products into the trucks and sell them to end users, cities, municipalities, plumbers.

Okay. So the dumpsters would contain metal shavings or what what's what's apt to go on the dumpsters?

In those dumpsters right there would likely be cut off lumber from, if they build a panel. Most metal shavings, wherever they cut that, they have the collection bins that get recycled and that happens inside their factories.

Okay.

Currently, is a chip storage outside which will disappear.

Okay. Is it given the manufacturing process which looks like it goes from east to west, does it make more sense to have the dumpsters on the west side of the building as opposed to the east side in terms of where refuse is generated?

For their purposes, it was fine where it is. And I think it was for site aesthetics to, I mean, their trucks to pull out finished and just the parking that they needed. But, yeah, I understand the question.

Okay.

Any other questions or comments or motions?

Thanks for listening to my comments on it though, I appreciate it. Anything else that comes up, let me know.

I will motion to approve with all staff comments.

Okay. Yeah, Commissioner Keller, thank you. Alright, then we have a motion to approve the final site plan and architectural review with all staff comments. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? I didn't think so. That motion does pass unanimously. Alright. So we are on to the certified survey map for 1625 Coldwater Creek Drive, ProHealthcare. And Doug, I think you've got that one.

Yes, I do. Okay. Let me try to reboot my program here and see if that changes. Try it again. Technical difficulties, sorry about that.

Yeah,

it was. This works. Nothing's coming through. I was working earlier.

Yeah.

I haven't had a meeting with chief Thompson yet. Apparently, he likes dad jokes.

Next

time.

Email it to you. It's in my desktop because it always works better on the desktop here.

All right, looks like we're set. Maybe?

Yes, okay.

Excellent, thank you.

No, I think we're set. Sorry about that.

That's okay. These things happen.

But I think we're back up and running. So yeah, this is a certified survey map over at 1625 Coldwater Creek. So last month we had a certified survey map for some property just to the south of this. One of the lots was we say was intended for ProHealthcare to acquire. ProHealthcare owns the rehab hospital up here at Coldwater Creek and Meadowbrook Road and they would like to combine with the lands that they had received from that previous CSM turned into one large lot.

So here would then be the new lot configuration, it'd be about 18.4 acres in size roughly. I'm running along Meadowbrook Road to the east side of it, South of Coldwater Creek and then down to where that new Countrycrest Lane would be dead ending up from the south off of Summit Avenue. So they did some details on the CSM with all of the easements that go across the property in different locations, of that's all included. So then the entire lot would be that 18, about 18.4 acres in size. And here just to show you that previous lot one here was from the CSM from last month and there's kind of an odd shape but then when you see it here now together it kind of makes more sense with how it's all gonna fit together and become one large lot with this new CSM.

So this will be a one lot CSM for like I said about 18.4 acres in size. And here's just kind of the concept plan with the ProHealth is thinking is that they'll have the rehab hospital to kind of do a loop road around the site, have some other campus type buildings tied in with this and then have an opportunity for access directly out onto Summit Avenue or State Highway 18 as well to the South. And then Coldwater Creek to the North out to Highway 3 18 going north. So we'd recommend approval of the one lot certified survey map with all city department comments and concerns to be addressed.

Are there any questions or comments or motions? Yes, Commissioner Francor.

Thank you. I would move our approval including the

comments from staff. Is there a second? Second. Commissioner Walner. Second. Alright. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Alright. That passes unanimously. Next up, it looks like we have a few items with regards to 223 South West Avenue. So Doug, I will let you get to that but know that we have a certified survey map, a rezoning petition, and land use amendment with regards to this property.

Yes, that is correct. And I'll just kinda do one presentation, hopefully summarize it all and we can just get three motions at the end.

Perfect. Sounds good. Thank you.

So this is located at 223 Southwest Avenue. Here you can see where Newhall is where the railroad underpass goes. And then College Avenue just to the north that's on that block. There had been or there currently still is a former city of Waukesha water utility building on this site. A year or so ago this property was determined to be surplus and doing the work on looking at that we realized as you're looking closer that the building was actually well now it's constructed over the right of way line for West Avenue.

So we had to do a certified survey map. We had to vacate the portion of West Avenue where that right of way is, where the building sits on bring that into the lot with a new certified survey map. So that's what the certified survey map will be doing. Here's a picture of the building as it sits, can see the sidewalk kind of goes almost straight into the service door and then juts around to the west of the building to go around and then continue south again as it goes around. So this portion of the building was what was causing the issue.

And to be able to transfer the land we needed the building to be on the property. So here is that certified survey map, it's about 0.12 acres in size but it's a real odd shape as you can see because of the railroad bend coming behind it, it gets very narrow at the south, it's only about I think 40 or so feet deep at the north end. So it's a very awkward shaped site with a small building on it. But now you can see on the right here it's kind of blow up where that area that was vacated from the right of way has been added in onto the site. Again creating the 0.12 acre site.

That leads to the next issue, so there was an agreement to dispose of this property, a local artist has offered to purchase the property for a small art studio. To do that though the land is currently zoned RM1 which is residential obviously. Commercial use wouldn't be allowed there so it needs to be rezoned. So we are proposing that the entire parcel then be rezoned to a B1 which is our neighborhood business district which is our allows for a small commercial activity. And so we felt the art studio would be a nice fit for that zoning.

So it'd go to the B 1 Zoning district. So it'd be the rezoning part. And then the land use plan amendment. Currently our land use plan shows it as civic and institutional use because that's what it was used for. Now that we're getting rid of that land it's gonna be used for commercial.

Commercial uses wouldn't be allowed in a civic and institutional use area so we have to change the land use plan amendment to business so that we can rezone the property to commercial use. So that would be the land use plan amendment again the whole parcel again, all 0.12 acres would go to commercial land use category. And again, there's just an overview of the site. You can see there is residential in the area, but directly to the south of Newhall there is industrial uses that happen. Going to a B1 we felt wasn't an imposition on the neighborhood, especially based on the tightness of the site and what else we could really do with it.

While it is an old building, it is in rather nice condition. So it makes sense to try to reuse it instead of just leveling it and having basically then no way to build on this property. One other thing I should have pointed out with the certified survey map. To do a certified survey map we can't create an illegal lot and obviously this lot will not meet any setbacks for the existing building that's on. If it was able to be kept the way it was we wouldn't have had to create a new lot and it just would have been grandfathered in as not meeting setbacks.

Because we had to do this addition to the taking the right of way to incorporate the building, we're creating a new lot. So we'll have to take this to the board of zoning appeals for a variance on the setbacks so that then we can record the easement as a or the certified survey map as a legal lot once the variances are granted. So that will be going forward to our board of zoning appeals in May and then once that happens we'll be able to then it'll be going also on to the common council for approvals and then be able to be recorded in June. So at this time we would be recommending approval of both the or all of the certified survey map and the rezoning and the land use plan as described.

Alright. Are there any questions or comments from the commission? Alright, I am gonna do these as separate motions so that way it's clear. So I will start, is there a motion for the certified survey map? Yes, Commissioner Francor?

Thank you. I would move that we approve the certified survey map with staff comments as proposed.

Is there a second? Second. Alright. Then all those in favor of approving the certified survey map with, with all comments for 223 Southwest Avenue. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. That does pass unanimously. Moving on to the rezoning petition. Is there a motion? Commissioner Frankor.

Thank you. I move that we approve the rezoning as proposed and recommended to the common council for their approval.

Excellent, is there a second? Alright, we got a second. We have a motion and a second for the rezoning petition for 223 Southwest Avenue. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nope, that does pass unanimously. Alright. And finally, is there a motion for the land use plan amendment? Excellent.

Is there a second? Alright. Commissioner Walner. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No? Alright. Excellent. Then we have a director of community development report. Jennifer's not here, but do you guys have anything

else? Nope.

Alright. Then absent any objections, we are adjourned. Thank you. Alright. How would I do for my first one?

I think our no nonsense may have moved us through.