City Council - Regular Meeting

Tim truck. Ready? Really? Here we go. It's probably like just somewhere. Regular meeting in Washington, Missouri City Council, Monday, December 15th, 2025, 700 p.m. Bear here. Briggs here. Halter here. Hydrri here. Holm here. Py here. Pepsil here. Solent. Please rise for pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Will all the council members answer if they have or have not read the minutes of the council meetings dated December 1st and December 8th, 2025? Fair. Yes. Briggs, yes. Coulter, yes. Hydridge, I PKY, yes. Pepsel, yes. Move to approve. Second. Motion by Bear, second by Patky to approve. All those in favor say I. I. I. Motion passes. Approval and adjustment of agenda including consent agenda. You have change order number one and two and final pay request for the electronic box at city hall. Make a motion. Make a motion. Second.

Motion by Hotmire, second by Briggs. Any discussion or questions? Is it just new things on the locks that we had to add a couple things? We added a couple more to How many more extra doors did we add, Chad? I think it was three extra doors that we had and then we had to add uh we originally going to uh make the put the program on the computer and hit the button to unlock the doors, but they didn't get in and out. But after doing some research, it was better to go ahead and we got like a key fob that they could unlock the doors instead for for the doors like going into engineering and the finance office. Oh, okay. That wasn't explained. I didn't know that. Okay, makes sense. There's a lot of explanation there. I'm sorry.

There was a lot of explanation. Chad had quite a letter there saying we change change, but yeah. Right. But for not much more dollars either. It's only very minimal dollars, but it's better work. Okay. Thanks, Jan. Other questions or discussions, guys? Got a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. She passes. Next. Priority items. Mayor's presentations, appointments, and reappoints. Police department appointment.

Good evening, council. Um, I'd like to introduce um Katie Griggs, um, our newest police hire. Um, she is a recent graduate of Jefferson County, no, Jefferson College Law Enforcement Academy. Um, so obviously like like all of our other candidates, they she went through the the hiring process of um extensive testing, um, extensive background investigation, cleared all the flying colors. So, I'd like to present her for appointment as full-time police officer. Motion to approve. Second. Second. Motion by PKY, second by Hydrrich. All those in favor say I. I.

I. Motion passes. Welcome, Katie. Welcome. Welcome. HONOR TO

police department reappoints. As of my letter council, I have two officers up for reappoint. Um, officer Zach Yowitz and Officer Ben Jurgens. They both are performing well and uh I recommend them both for reappoint. Make a motion. Second. Who made Mark? Motion by Hydrate, second by Pepsil reappoint. All those in favor say I. I. I. Motion passes. Thank you. Could I could I add one other thing to that because I know Councilman Paky has asked um in the future we will try to get them here during the reappoints. Both of them are actually on leave so otherwise I would have had them here but if if possible I'm going to try to get them here for the reappoint so you can Great. Again be introduced to them. Thanks.

Thank you. Thanks Jim. Public hearings special use permit 432 MacArthur.

Good evening council. Um this is over on at the intersection of Fifth and MacArthur Street. Um and uh the applicant wants to uh set up a detailing car detailing business here. Um normally detailing businesses are a permitted use in the commercial two zone. Um but this specific um uh business is within 50 ft of a residential district. So our we uh our zoning is a bit more stringent when it uh comes to that sort of thing. Um, and so they need a special use permit. Um, and yeah, any questions? This went through planning and zoning and really had minimal comment if any. Correct. Yeah. No neighbors.

Uh, no, haven't haven't heard I've I've heard uh from the property owner across uh Fifth Street. Um, she just had a few questions about water runoff. Um, sounds like it's going to be very minimal, you know, about the same use as like someone washing their car, you know. So, um, yeah, no, no, no concern from any of the neighbors. So, yeah. Other comments or questions, you guys, before we open it up? Uh, folks, this is a special use permit. And so, if anyone in the audience would like to come up and comment, please, now is time to do so. Hearing none, let's move on.

I'll make a motion to send it on. Second motion by Bear, second by Paty to send it on. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? Motion passes. B, please. An ordinance granting a special use permit at 432 MacArthur Street for use as a car dealing business in the city of Washington, Franklin County, Missouri. Brakes. Introduced by I'm sorry. That's me. Pair. Any other questions or discussions, you guys, before we vote on this? Second, Sher. An ordinance granting a special use permit at 432 MacArthur Street for use as a car dealing business in the city of Washington, Franklin County, Missouri. Briggs, yes.

Bayer, yes. Pepsil, yes. Hackey, yes. Coulter, yes. Hydridge, I. Holm, I. By your vote, ordinance 3B passes. See, please. Annexation 18.09 acres, Beakers Point.

Yes. Good evening, council. Um, this is uh a uh annexation for uh Beakers Point, which is a uh planned development, going to be a planned development, residential development. Um it's 18 acres. Um the applicant is asking for it to be annexed in as uh zoned as planned development residential. Um, and that is due to uh some of the uh terrain at this site. Um, the type of houses that they want to build here. Um, the the 50-ft rideway that um our code requires streets to be um is doesn't really work um for the applicant. So, they're requesting 40 foot uh rightways and um the streets are that they're proposing are um going to be a bit steeper than our our code requires. So that's why they're going through the the uh planned development um process as opposed to, you know, R1D or some of the other standard residential zones. Um so this is the 18.1 acres. Um it's off Beaker Road. Um and yeah, proposed zoning, plan, development, residential, and we can get into the more nitty nitty-g gritties of um what exactly is going on in the uh next uh item E. So

yeah, the initial request here is just to go ahead for the annexation. Yep. And to bring it in under residential questions, discussion Okay, I'll take a motion. It's a public meeting.

It's a public meeting. Thank you guys. This is a public meeting. I know Vic's here. Uh, anyone else in the audience would like to comment on this, please? Now is the time to do so. If you want to if you want to do it, we could do it on the annexation alone because we will have comment under the PL plan residential which is as Aaron mentioned under item E if we want to get in specifics about the improvements. Okay. All right. Well, make a motion then guys send it on. I'll make a motion we send it on. I'll second. Motion by Brig, second by Pepsil. Further discussions or questions? All right. All those in favor say I. I.

Opposed. C passes. D, please. An ordinance annexing 18.09 acres off Beaker Road in the city of Washington County, Missouri. Patki. Introduced by Patky. Any further discussions or questions, guys? Second reading. Shared. An ordinance annexing 18.09 09 acres off Beaker Road into the city of Washington and Franklin County, Missouri. Brakes, yes. Fair, yes. Pepsi, yes. PKY, yes. Coulter, yes. Hydridge, I. Holtmire, I. By your vote, ordinance 3D passes. E, please.

Preliminary development plan, Beakers Point.

All right. So, um, this is, uh, Beakers Point. This is a uh 57 lot um subdivision um off Beaker Road. Um a lot of the as as I mentioned before uh this uh the zoning here will be planned development residential. Um as um this road around the the exterior loop road Hunter Hollow is proposed to have a 40ft ride ofway. Um we have uh the city has 5-ft access easements um on either side of the road. So, in essence, it acts as a 50-ft rideway. It's just set the the five on either side are set up as easements. Um, the road itself is 30t wide. Um, and all these lots here are above 7500 um square feet. So, you know, it would be the same as like a uh a lot of the lots in Stonebridge R1D zoning. Um, let's see here. Um, Um yeah, so we've got a uh we also have a pedestrian trail um connecting point to the uh East West Parkway up here. Um we have a common area back here. Um detention basin back here. Um and uh I believe uh 10% grades are going to be the steepest that you're going to see um through through here. Charles, am I missing anything?

12. 12. Sorry, excuse me. Not not 10. 12. Um, am I am I missing anything else? Three lots off of Beaker. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. So, there we're going to have three lots off of Beaker 55 through 57. Um, and those are required by our subdivision code to have uh turnarounds so we don't have, you know, cars backing out onto Beaker Road, which is, you know, a fairly trafficked um road. Um, in terms of what the planning commission has said about this development so far, they've made uh two recommendations. Um, one of which is to require lots 55 through 57 to have 30 ft setbacks. Um, these these homes are well the 57 is not, but 55 and 56 are set back 30 feet from the road. Um we just want to require that to ensure that you know they they actually are set 30 fat 30 foot back from the road in the the the plat itself. Um just so you know those those uh those lots can have effective turnarounds and so they aren't backing out onto Beaker. Um and the other recommendation they made was to uh create a tree line buffer. Um so this this part of the the common area um back here north. Oh, also there's a gas line easement um going through the uh north side of this property. And so what the planning commission is recommending is um the developer plant uh Missouri native trees um in this area uh north of the gas line to just kind of um break up, you know, the uh stone stone bridge up here and this new development up here to kind of create some a bit of a barrier there. Um, yeah. Any questions, Charles? Approximately how long is that 12% grade for? You know, how many feet?

Where is it? 12. There's it. Yeah, I was trying to look to see that. 400 ft. Okay.

And then then it kind of tapers off. You can see 10% down there, then flattens out at the bottom, back up at 8%, and then on the other side takes off at 12. And then that culde-sac will be 12 all the way. You can see there on the come off five off of the other road and then immediately 12 all the way through the turnaround up there. So steep over what our code, you know, requirement is of 10%. Um, Cameron is here to talk about this if if you don't have any other questions and I'm sure he can tell you more than I can. So,

good evening all. My name is Cameron with Wonderlick Surveying Engineering. So, thank you for the introduction. Appreciate that. Okay. Okay. So, just kind of to Can you hear me? Okay. Mhm. Yep. Okay.

So, just kind of back up a little bit and give you how did we go from conventional subdivisions to a PDR? Why? What triggered that? It was kind of a timing thing, kind of a property thing that kind of all came together. So, um in summary, everyone wants a wooded culde-sac lot walk out. That's what all the buyers want. Um so, that's what we that's we generally try to do. However, um people some of the councilman know that we were having these uh meetings that were trying to focus on interconnectivity of roads. So, when we originally talked about this development, we' drawn up three culde-sac lots or culde-sacs going to the north. So, this this development this particular development has been going on for a while in the background. So, this is u I'm just kind of reiterating some things that you may or may not heard just to make sure we understand it. Um so as as you're as you're aware this is I am having problem with this pointer again. Why am I why am I having problem?

Uh just try and turn and hold the Yeah, there we go.

So as um as mentioned this is Beaker Road here existing out here. This is the east west guest gateway parkway this way. And so Vic had the opportunity to buy this piece here and this piece here. And in doing so, it's constrained on the east and it's constrained on the west by proper lines and then constrained on the on the south side by Beaker Road. So what happened was when we started laying this out, we were constrained on the west, constrained on the east and to get double frontage on the lots. Long story short, there wasn't enough width side to side. That was one of the constraints to build this product. So that's part of what the triggered the PDR was we're trying to keep the green space in the front, trying to keep the green space in the back. Um trying to keep ample parking, off streetet parking for the cars. Um so so that's that's what pre prompted the 30 foot wide street. Now in doing so, that led to the conversation with the fire department about ingress egress and all that. Um we'll and we'll see here in a minute. Basically, there's no parking allowed on the outside, the entire outside of this loop street. So, let me advance here one time. So, that's the 18.09 PDR and that's what uh Aaron had up there before. So to kind of point out here, this red line around the outside, that's the no, that's the Yeah, here we go. That red line around the outside, that is no parking all the way around the outside. And they thought that was the best um because So the other condition we have here is the topography, the existing topography. It is steep. And as uh Aaron and Charles had mentioned, um this loop street uh like on the west side, having

a loop street, you know, allows the uh you to come in and then and then come back out with going down to a culde-sac. And this So this culde-sac here slopes out. So it slopes to the north, it slopes downhill rather than I'm sorry. Yeah, it faces out. So if you're as you come you'd be coming up at 12% and going back out to the loop street. So the the situation where an emergency vehicle would go down and get caught and not get be able to get back out is limited by this plan. So in reviewing with fire um we thought this loop street provided the interconnectivity. Um we like like I said we we had a hammerhead here at one time. We we changed the radius to to to meet that. We flattened the grade right here. Uh so I think in all the iterations with planning and zoning and the interconnectivity, I think this one up to be to be a good plan. Um part of what we talked about was as Aaron mentioned 55 56 57 here. Though there's ample room there to provide a turnaround so a person can pull into the garage back out to the turnaround and then pull out onto Beaker Road. Um so those are the some of the bigger houses we've got planned there, bigger lots. Uh so so great with setback. Um I guess let me jump forward in time to the last planning and zoning meeting we had. Um there was questions brought up about the tree buffer. You know, the people that bought on Mataias close are looking at a green hillside right now and we're what they asked the question of can we consider planting any trees there? And the next slide I'll show you is a cross-section. So what that gives you an idea of what it looks like. So just bear with me a second. I'll back up if I need

to. So this is Matias's close here. This is a resonance here. This is a resonance here. So when you if we would plant trees here which is considerably downhill which if you go down here to the cross-section this existing grade here is lower than existing grade here and you would install a tree that would grow to the height of 40 ft. What's it look like at this house on up the hill? So at some point when the the tree did reach full canopy height at 40 ft uh this house on the upper part would be theoretically screened from this house here by the upper quarter of that 40ft tree. So it's just the terrain is not allowing a tree buffer to act as it normally would when when things are level. So let me stop there. Make sure everybody Anybody got any questions about that? All good. Okay.

You have an existing tree line in that area though, right? Where those Yes. Yes. So, uh there is Let me go back to that Darren. That's a good question here. Uh let me go back to the aerial here to show you. Yeah. So, right here, it's not fully masked, but u there's an existing tree line at the bottom. This is the ditch, but there's an existing tree line on the fence line. Right. So that's going to be a, you know, cedar trees and that sort of sort of thing. You know, they're not 40 feet tall, right? But there is a tree line there to your but but there's no part of the development plan doesn't have anything to take those out or correct them.

Correct. So as you as you're alluding to Yeah. Um basically the grading plan, the development plan is is that we are not installing any sewer andor water and or storm surre. This is common ground. So this is another benefit of the PDR. Um, basically there's 15% of common ground set aside here. So, of the 18.09 acres, uh, the developer setting aside 2.59 acres and the only thing that would be penetrating that tree corridor would be the walking trail and the sanitary sewer easement just perpendicular through it. Okay, that answer your question.

Yeah. And and well, let me ask the other question that I don't know if it got asked to PNZ was what's what is what do you anticipate with maintenance and who's responsible for the maintenance in that common ground? Is it the residents within the subdivision? Yes. So to answer your question related to the common ground specifically, it would just be just like other subdivisions that with common ground when the developer finishes the subdivision, he would then assign it to the homeowners association. Okay. That'd be responsible for that. Yes. What type of maintenance do you anticipate that they will need? Just leave it the way it as is. Yeah. I mean, so and that's fine. I just want to Yeah. Put that out there on the record so when we get question later.

Yeah. So, exactly, Darren. So, basically, because it's private ground, it's up to the private homeowners to maintain it however they see fit. That's fine. Okay. Um, and like I said, then also there was some benefit, I'm sorry, some mention of the benefit to connect um because there's East West Parkway. I'm probably my pointer again here. This thing takes a while to kick on. There we go. There we go. Thank you. Yeah, you got to hold that.

Um, patience. So there was some mention to the benefit of having some interconnectivity of this trail to the east west gateway parkway to um Stonebridge to Beaker to Rabbit Trail Drive to get to uh Breny Park and actually this is going to connect into Stonebridge also which you could then walk through Stonebridge too. So there was some benefit to that uh mentioned about that also. So, we went in and showed this on here just and there was some discussion at PNZ and we don't have this doesn't have to be decided tonight with approval of the development plan, but uh consideration I think they're still asking the city to consider taking over maintenance of that trail once it's put in. Correct.

And so, we are going to meet as staff with and and discuss that and see what options we have there. What um and and we'll get you a uh recommendation back on that. But that would be before the final plat for that. So, and that's uh the grade on that sidewalk are is Yeah. So, what we try to do um there are so for a handicap ramp like outside this building 8.3% you know 1 in over 12 in is the maximum.

There's a whole set of criteria for trails like this and I can give this to uh Charles. There's there's some more of a latitude to that. But to answer your question, we are I think we're less than 9% is where we're at. And to give you an idea, um the northern leg of the trail by Phoenix Center over there in Bernese's area, there's there's parts of that trail that are 15%. Yeah. So it' be much less than that. How wide would that be again? So it's up to you guys. Um I think it was at least 5 ft. I can't remember if it's eight. Eight.

Okay. We made it eight. Okay. So we spread the houses there. So something you can't necessarily see is the water line connection. I think we kept there. So we spread lots 11 and 12 apart. I think we got the water line running through that also. Okay. Questions or discussions? So, so the tree line obviously I understand your your graphic there Cameron um at full growth you're only going to you're still not going to block everything. No. So, are you proposing to take them out or just the fact that you're letting us know that it may not cover everything?

I'm asking the question meaning that if you so Vic the developer is willing to put those uh trees in at the at the you know teaming with the U urban forestry commission.

Yes. Thank you, Erin. Uh, so that'd be they'd be picking the type of species you might say that would be best there. Or if you see a higher value for extending the trail further somewhere or some other value you guys would want, then that we could we could do that also. But that's the we just wanted to show you what was asked and what the actual benefit would be. So I understand the setback thing on the uh 56 55 through 57

sorry that one of the things that we've talked about for a long time is limiting you know where where we're accessing Beaker there and that is a little worrisome to me but I also understand P&Z talked about that and we moved the the setback back and you you're showing turnarounds here so I get It's just not and I also understand looking at that the topo there is pretty limiting on what you can do with it. So was the only other option Cameron to take Schlutters am I pronouncing that right road? Is that the name of the culdeac? Schlutters.

Yes. If you took that further south, I guess where the backs of those homes be back up against Beaker, was that the only other option that you could do to eliminate those lots directing? Yeah. Getting direct access. Yeah. And it just, as you can see, it's um it's getting tighter. There is the issue. Um I think you know the house is set 30 feet back and uh the turnaround's there. I there's plenty of sight distance there also. So I think it' be

I understand Al's point to where that's worrisome to you. But for me I'd rather look at a front of a house on Beaker than the back of the house on the culde-sac. You know what I If that culde-sac like Darren's saying would go another lot to the south and then lots 41 39 40 41 would in the back of the houses would be a back of beaker again not detrimental but that's what we do. I think you're also talking about an emergency services thing then too because now we're going to be coming back downhill right you got you got a longer up and then to the level actually there you got more 12% grade extending further. Yeah that's correct. What's what's with that area to the to the north of lot 39 came

on the culde-sac where you at area to the north of lot 39 between 389 yeah right what is what's what's that'd be part of lot 38 I don't know it's not I think that's I think it's an easement you're seeing right there well I I I there was a lot of lines there and I couldn't tell if it was just didn't have a house fit on there didn't know if yeah that will not be anything that is not a lot I can think that wasn't going to be a tiny home on there no No, no. That's That's why it's numbered 30. It is numbered exactly, right? 36. Okay. 36. Yeah, it's part of Looks like it's part of 39. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I'm seeing like at 2:00 the major line there might be the division.

Yeah, that's Yeah. For a long time, Washington has been a place where new families find trouble or are in trouble finding a home that they can afford. I see 18 green houses on here that would fit that bill. And if you have a range of houses like we have here from below 1500 square feet to above 2500 square feet, uh this fills a lot of needulac I know, you know, you can talk about connectivity and that's great and everything and I support that, but there's a lot to be said for putting a culde-sac in the middle of a place where young families are going to move to. Are these private streets, Cameron, or are they going to be

No, they're proposing public public. Okay. By going the planned route, they that that they can go ahead and seek to go ahead and do less than the standard a 50-ft rideway and the 35 foot wide street. So, that's the reason why part of the reason why they're doing the planned residential route as well. But no, the intention is to turn it over to the city. More comments or suggestions? Questions? Okay, I'll take a motion to accept it into the minutes. The preliminary development. Oh, there's your public hearing. Public hearing. That's okay.

Thanks for keeping me on this. Somebody is. Was it me that time? So, folks, if anyone in the audience would like to comment, now is the time. Please. Yes, sir. Please state your name and where in uh Sorry, you guys don't remember me. Uh Jeffrey Roth and my wife Janet and I were here last week. We're at 2336 Matias. Your address, please. I'm sorry, what? Your address. Oh, I'm sorry. 2336 Matias.

And last week, Aaron was able to show a shot from actually from our backyard. So, and we know that this development is going to come. We did not know when we bought the property that it was or that we might have looked somewhere else. Water well under the bridge. My only point for coming up here is point of clarification regarding this tree line. We understand that a 40ft tree is not going to block it out. That's unreasonable. So are we saying that it we're not going to do it at all or it's still up for consideration or the that's I just want because as you can see yeah that's my house there. It's done now. It's beautiful. The closest trees we expect would stay there and that's grateful. We thought it was all going to get ripped out. That second set, I think obviously they'd have to take it out to get the houses in.

A week ago, there was no talk about this canopy of trees. I just want clarification. Is it a consideration, a done deal, or yet to be decided? That's all I'm looking for. Yeah. So, it was a a recommendation by the planning and zoning commission. So, city council can either say, "Hey, we think this is great. We're going to, you know, make the developer do this." um they can choose to impose that condition and you know other conditions that they come up with on the uh preliminary development plan. So to answer your question, it's not a done deal. You know, if they decide it's whatever they decide basically.

Well, then then all I'll close with simply is as a homeowner who is very happy to be back in Washington. We agree it's not going to block out because that's a pretty steep hill that we're we're gonna lose. I mean, we've got to enjoy it for 15 months and it's going to go away. But if it's still something that can be seriously considered, it would be eternally grateful. But I mean, I'm just one citizen asking. And I know trees aren't cheap because in our first month, we put 11 in our backyard. My first new car didn't cost that much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

But Cameron, back to the question of um I guess and and the final plot can depict easements and any u that's going to be common area, I guess. And you could also go ahead and we could put some note on the plan to keep the existing tree lines that are there within this common area that's that's all highlighted in green which is basically those two rows of trees that we were just looking at on that view. Yeah. So there's several mechanisms there. The grading plan will show the limits of grading you know so that that'll show that we will not grade out that northern tree line. And then number number two, uh, you know, whatever nomenclature you need on the final plat to to make that to go into effect.

Can you go back to that view, Erin, for everybody? So they can see. So you can see kind of like two lines of trees there that that were just would be in that that U common area that you could just require that in the final plat. Is it the final Mark? You have to help me on this plan. Residentials. There's another phase yet, correct? That the council will have to go ahead and review. I don't want to be I just want to be real and honest here. Um you know that that east west gateway is between those houses and that tree line behind them. That's that's something that could occur, right? Number one. Number two, that gas line is immediately to the south side of that proposed tree line we're talking about. So is it in between those two right there? Is that where the gas line is?

Yeah, it's in between the two tree lines. Okay. Yes. Right there. There you go. Right there. Yeah. So that's So we're trying to plant the trees where it's highest on the hill. Yeah. And it's north of the gas line. That makes sense. But I'm just saying we don't have, you know, you guys have the rights to the east west gateway and whatever that looks like. And the gas line has the rights to clear their rightway. Yeah. So that that supersedes the homeowners rights to maintain those trees.

It's Yeah. Uh it's it's also important to note that the uh planning and zoning commission recommended the tree line um be in the area in between the uh the gas line and uh east west Parkway. So, um, obviously, you know, they they can, uh, get get on to, you know, your your priv I'm sure, you know, there'll there'll be something, but it ne neither of those will, you know, uh, immediately affect, um, the the trees that would be planted if you were to um, require this as a condition. So, I guess my back to the trees, camera, your your presentation while ago showed planting those trees in a row, the artificial green dots you were putting up there as you went through. Great. But that's in my book, it's not necessary because the tree line is partially there.

Can we just require the spaces in between that we plant a few? I mean, correct. And if you think about when you normally buffer like a conventional subdivision, Jeff, you guys require a buffer guard matrix of a A, B, C or D, right? And so if there's an existing buffer yard of say it's a required buffer yard of D which is 20 ft wide and they don't meet the density requirements, you're exactly right. We just increase the density of those plants inside that. So the same same thing could apply here. We just have we work with the the tree the tree urban forestry commission. I can't remember that. Treeboard treeboard. Tree board. Get to know them Cameron. Get to know

I need to put that in my vocabulary. So the tree board, we're going to work with them to say, "Hey, here's a space of X wide and there's a cedar tree and there's whatever a oak tree needs to go here and put that put that in like that, which would be higher on the hill. It's just you got to realize that's closer to the east west gateway coming in there." Yeah. You know, so the the the the core of the tree, the trunk, we could we could ideally place it, but it's just, you know, where's the drip line go, right?

Yeah. But in in an effort to, you know, appease appease the neighbors and the landscape, I guess, whatever. Again, I'm not asking for 20 trees in a row there to be a constant buffer, but just a few in between. Right, sir? Yeah. And just add to that line of trees, but you know, there's some right there you go. What common sense will apply? Thank you. I'm not looking for you back. Sure. Right. Common sense. Gotcha. Yep. Yeah. So, and I'm not putting words in the treeboard's mouth or anything like that, but it could resemble that matrix D or matrix E, I guess you should call it, for something different. You know, perhaps

I think an appropriate recommendation to achieve that tonight would be, hey, we recommend that staff work with the developer and the urban forestry commission and we come up with a plan um on the final plaque. Correct. Correct. Which is in theory matching what PNZ said a week ago. Correct. Yes. Do you agree? I don't know. Did they approve a tree line or they recommended a tree line? They just said They just basically said what Aaron just said. Perfect. Okay. Darren probably said it last week at P&Z. He did. He did. Stop trying to rewrite it. So, what do we need here, guys? We need to accept this in the mission. Anything else?

Yeah. If anybody else public hearing would like to I don't think you have anybody else. We're good. Thank you. I'll move to accept it. Second. Motion by Bear, second by Pachy to accept it into the minutes. Any further questions or discussions? I just want to say just thanks for coming and thanks for understanding and working with rather than be against, but just that we can make it good for all. So, thank you. I appreciate the fact that we got the opportunity and we were heard it wasn't just our million time. Thank you.

House number. All right, guys. We got a motion and a second on the floor. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? Passes. Thank you. F, please, Sherry. A resolution approving the preliminary development plan for Beakers Point on property located at all of lot 2 and lot three of Milburn Estates plaque 6 as recorded in document number 20004-04957 in the office of the Franklin County Recorder of deeds. Need a motion and a second. Okay. Motion.

Motion and a motion to approve. Second motion by Patky, second by Pepsi. Further discussion? Uh, is this a roll call? No. All those. All right. All those in favor say I. Opposed. Motion passes. Citizens comments. Uh, if anyone would like to come up uh to the podium to talk to the council or address the council about what is not on the agenda tonight. How's your changes? Thank you. Committee Commission, committee, and board reports. Preliminary plat approval, Grand Lake Estate, Plat 3.

Good evening, council. Uh, this is a minor subdivision. Uh, it's off Fifth and Grand. Um, and basically what's going on here is um, we got two unplatted tracks and uh, the applicant is looking to um, plat uh, one lot and um, sell the rest of their land uh, off to uh, someone who uh, to to a buyer and this is this subdivision is basically just being done to uh, keep their house. So,

any questions? So, the current lot goes to just the west of what will contain the driveway. Right now, it already has that little jog on. Yeah. Okay, never mind. I see it in the blue on top. Thank you. Yes. So, subdividing everything will be to the north and wrap around to the west in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And we Well, that's not included in the subdivision. You just have lot three, correct? 2.36. That was never within a subdivision plat. That's correct. And then the the rest of the 8.5 is still not going to be subdivided. That's just kind of unplatted land. So correct. Correct.

Further questions or discussion? So the the blue line that we have is the narrow strip to the north there. That's the line. That's the lot they want to sell off. No, they want to sell off the uh the rest of I think you need to look at this drawing is probably better. Yeah. So, the the You said you're going to keep the 8.7 or 8.5. It's 8.57 that wraps around. If you look at this drawing on your in your packet. So, if you look at the screen, you know, um right or I guess the the monitor up up top, it's there too. Oh, it's there, too. Oh, wow. Um so, this this here they're looking to sell off the eight and a half. And they're looking to, you know, still live in their house. So they're keeping this right

for themselves and they're only platting that. But there's already a blue line that runs horizontally in your first diagram there. That's correct. Yeah, these these were those are I think those are I I it could be wrong line. They're not a lot line. It's it's what the assessors drawn up as a correct how they taxed it. Correct. Yeah. But they've never those like the blue that you see on your packet and on the screen that it's never been formally uh platted before. Correct. So the entrance to grand is insignificant at this point. Correct. Okay. I I

could be later for if somebody when they propose a development on there someday that would be an access point as well as Fifth Street. Right. Okay. I'm sorry. I was thinking with the blue lines. I'm thinking that was a separate box. Yeah, I I I forget about wide enough for a lot. That's what I thought to be accessed. Look at this. That's all you need. Somebody else speak up. I look like the stupid guy here for saying so, asking a question. This doesn't make sense.

But Aaron, you also said that the 8.5 is is going to be divided off of this but not platted. So, they just want to sell it and have no plans. That's correct. Okay. That's correct. Mhm. I believe it's all zoned residential. Yeah, it's all zoned R1A. So large lot. Yep. 10,000 conform to that. Okay, that makes sense. I just don't know why we have this extra line through the middle. That was a county line. That's it's Yeah, it was a county assessor line. Okay, thank you. I'll make a motion to accept in the minutes.

Second. Motion by bear, second by brakes to accept it into the minutes. Further questions or discussion? All those in favor say I. I opposed. Passes please. An ordinance approving the final plat of Grand Lake Estates plat 3 in the city of Washington, Franklin County, Missouri. Hopemar introduced by Hope. Any other further questions or discussion, guys? Second reading. Shared please. An ordinance approving the final plat of Grand Lake Estates Plat 3 in the city of Washington, Franklin County, Missouri. Rigs, yes. Bayer, yes. Peps, yes. PKY, yes. Coulter, yes. Hydrri,

I. Holm, I. By your vote, ordinance 8B passes. Mayor's report. Uh the second council meeting you guys in January next month is Tuesday, January 20th and that's due to uh Martin Luther King holiday. Um I don't have much tonight. So thanks guys. City administrators report

just uh to let you know that the um um sales tax renewal their next com uh committee meeting will be January Friday, January the 9th. Um, so, um, you'll have another council meeting in between then, but I just thought I'd let you know to put that on your calendar. Uh, at that point, I think they're probably I don't have an agenda yet. Haven't talked to the um um to Sandy who heads up that committee uh for an agenda yet, but it probably be talking about um how to move forward. Uh they may be talking about how to move forward to market um the um renewal of both of those sales taxes. So, we'll also try to look for an a time to go ahead and do that uh updated transportation uh presentation. I might look to go ahead and do that in January. I know I don't probably have to explain that to most of you. I know it's you understand it, but we have updated that a little bit and I think it's important so that if there's anybody else that's out there hopefully watching the meeting that they'll get a chance to see that as well.

That's all I have. Council comments. I would just like to supposed to all There you go. I'm sorry. No, you're good. Go ahead. No, that's all I was going to say. I'm done. No, I got a question for Charles. Can you Can you update us on the situation at 507 West a Street on the water runoff in the alley? That's West Ath and Cedar. West A and Cedar there. Yeah. Alferman residence. Um, I got a few more pictures today of things

department was going to go in. They wanted to pave that alley, try and set a better crown, get that water to to go off into the stay on that ditch line on the west because it seemed like all that water was coming from the west onto the east where they're experiencing that problem there at um, the Alferman house. Um, they weren't, unfortunately, weren't able to get the paver this fall. Now we're kind of out of paving season, so they're looking at doing that in the spring. Um, and then potentially doing some work in the the ditch line there on the west side, try and keep that water over there. Do you think this is is this a new problem or is this something that's been existed for I think it's a new homeowner that lives there. Um, so you think the old homeowner was getting this much water in their basement and never said anything?

I don't think a lot's changed in that area in a long time. So other than people not maintaining their their uh coverts underneath their driveways. Gotcha. But those are property, you know, property owners are supposed to maintain those. And the covert that goes under a street over to Bush Creek, is that maintained by the city? That if that is that's like a It is makes a turn. And

I I believe we determined that that is ours to maintain. That's that large um u culvert that we had an issue with years ago where the driveway collapsed and fell down into the thing. And we made that determination at that time that the it's up to the city to go ahead and maintain that. and we raised that up and and I I don't know can't remember if the car had damage at that time or whatever, but uh we went in and um stabilized that for lack of a better when our guys went in this year. I mean, that's all clear. Everything's going in. So, they're not seeing any obstructions. No obstructions. All the pipes going into it look clear and open. They opened the one up on the west side uh earlier in the year. So,

I will say as a long-term resident of Ward 4 who has an alley in the back of his house, ever since we paved some of those alleys a few years ago back, you I mean I experienced it on my block. There's a lot of water that runs off and if you're not watch if they didn't have it crowned the same way they had it before after they paved it and changes the course of the water and you get it right. I talked to Mr. Alferman like over a year ago and discussed it and we did a few improvements I thought and then I thought it was fixed but then until I got videos today. Yeah. And I spoke to him recently. It's I mean it's kind of disturbing how much water goes into his basement every time it rains that runs off of there. It's it's it's incredible.

And that's why I just I it's hard to believe that it's something that's been existing. No one would put up with that. Well, and I' I'd like to know of you said every time I'd like to know. I mean the two videos that were sent are 4 inch rain events that Yeah, I don't know that these discussions too that yeah you know those are out of the norm but right not saying we can't do something to help there but also is it you know every time it rains it'd be interesting to get a little more detail there. So did did did he send you two videos of the the two worst events that we had from this year? had dates on the last 24. Was that shared at least with Charles or with staff or somebody? Yeah, we've we've seen some of those.

I know you've probably seen them maybe for can definitely forward it. Well, I'm just saying yeah, forward it cuz I if if that just was sent to you guys. I was saying I didn't see it until Mike and Joe showed it to you prior to the meeting. Probably see if we can do something there. That's a lot of water. It is. Make it go somewhere else. Yeah, the one of them was July 24 and the other one was there definitely could have been some changes uphill and like where the water's being distributed, but if you look at that site, I mean, it's lower than the road that his house and the house to the west or in a hole. I mean, that water was all probably getting there at some point. Now, was it more in his neighbor's yard at some point? I I don't know because they got a bigger backyard that could maybe hold that. But um

well and and just his words to my when I went and visited there I a year ago whatever it was you know the old homeowners of his home in the back which you're talking about to the west took better care of the ditch. So then it was it wasn't such an issue. Now the leaves have picked up and clogged. So now it goes over top of the the alley there. So um I and I I mean I talked to Tracy about it and I can't control what someone's going to do up the alley 200 feet. I mean that we can't put a requirement that they have to clean out their covert, you know. I mean, that's that's difficult to do, but in seeing some of the pictures, you think that something's got to be done. So, how wide he's been through there? Do you know 20 feet or is it okay?

And it's not just putting a long stretch of downhill pavement, right? But if it's crowned and it stays to the west, it's not going to flood that western house like it does his. I think you're compounding too because I think you're coming from Stafford and coming east from that direction as well because if you look at the label Charles nailed it. They're in a hole. I mean, right. Well, actually from Stafford, the house to the west and between them and the neighbors, it actually comes from Stafford into there. I think actually comes into their backyard before it's all going through the creek. I mean, it's the low spot. No doubt you're in a hole. It's there. It's just a matter of keeping the I don't know if Cas's big enough up on Stafford Street. Maybe we could double cut space in that or something.

Double up there on Stafford, you're saying? Yeah. I don't know if that pipe can take it during those big bigger 4 in 6 in rain events. I don't know that that would take any more water. Not just the inlet, the pipe, you know, because the volume's there. Yeah. I mean, we definitely You think crowning that's going to make that big a difference? That alley, is it going to solve the problem? I don't think so. Um, will it make some difference during some rain events? Probably. But um if you want to fix it during all rain events, it's I don't know if it's possible without a another large pipe going underneath the road. Um but could we make some small improvements to help so it's not happening six times a year? Maybe it's only happening two or three times.

Right. Are are you privy to the videos today or have you not gotten forwarded to you? Okay. you'll have. Will you just look at those and will you respond to him and just, you know, hey, this what we looked at and then let us know rather than me call you and being the middleman, I'd rather you guys handle. Okay, that's fine. Yep. Call. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. Merry Christmas to Merry Christmas to make a motion to adjourn. Second, might be a second by Paty to adjurnn. All those in favor say I. I. Done.