Town Council - Regular Meeting

Those of you are standing, stay up. Rise for the pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of America to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liy and justice for all. You have good knuckles, John. Still got good knuckles. I was in the hospital.

I had a bed near you. [laughter] I'm already on my way. All right, everybody. So, it's the second budget meeting. Anthony will be joining us. Just so you know, downstairs. I left that

John's gonna run downstairs. Just so you know, I think I told Lewis, I don't know who I told. I'm going to tell everybody right now. The capital budget process that we went through cannot be followed. You can create a capital plan. In that capital plan, we can buy a battleship because it's a plan. In our budget, we can only allocate funds that we plan on spending. As of now, we are going to do haven't voted on it yet, but I'm just going to be the the council president here and say we're buying bulletproof vests and we're capping the landfill. After the entire budget is created, we will look and see if there's any additional funds for capital expenses. Mr. This is though you have the short seat tonight. [clears throat] So if you

Sorry. Cheers. We finally got that one out of here into circulation and put it over there. Uh you can stand up and pull that lever and it'll it'll Yeah. So I just told everybody Anthony about um to bring you up to speed Mr. assist though about the capital budget format and that only items that we plan on spending money on can be put in a budget form. That's correct. We can create a capital plan. Yeah. And a five-year plan.

Yes. We can put costs associated with those projects, but those are different than a capital budget in the budget [clears throat] that says we're allocating those funds for those projects. Your budget for fiscal year 2627 is for expenditures, appropriations in 267. Correct. Not wishes and things where if we have the money when the time comes, we'll spend it. Do you have a cap?

Well, we're going to create one. Unfortunately, our planner is sick this evening, but yes, the capital plan is going to be separate than our budgeted items. And with that, I'll let Mr. uh Rego take over because he really wants to prove himself. Yeah. Yeah. So the first thing is Tony, I want to go back to what you two just discussed because I don't want no confusion. Um, so in past years when you had something in capital and you didn't spend the money in that given year, you'd roll it over to the next year, right? That's correct. Correct. And at a certain point, it would drop off. No, if you didn't if you didn't roll it over, it it would roll over automatically.

So to say that if you put it in there, you have to spend it, that's not exactly correct, right? Correct. That's a correct statement. Now, [clears throat] our intention is that we want to try to get as much grant uh money as possible, and our our planner said that if you have it in your cap capital plan, uh that makes it much easier. So, have it in the five-year capital plan uh is two separate things. It's different than a budget.

She said have it in your five-year capital plan, but because we didn't have one, we were putting it in this year's capital budget. But the fact that we have a five-year plan that that makes it that much more easier for her to go chasing. So that's exactly what we want. Correct. Now there is uh you mentioned two areas that that we will have any capital and I I think there's three and that the third one would be the sewer wastewater management. Correct.

Now I let me interject because we brought this up also. If one of our line items is matching funds and dependent on if we got the grant, you can do that. I think the one thing that confused us last week is the difference between money not spent, we have a zeroed out budget at the end of the year. It goes back into the general fund. So, we could allocate uh different line items for different grant contributions if we were successful, but we're tying up that cash if we have it for those projects.

May I check? Yes. I want to make sure that I I understand what I was talking about. If you have capital items in your budget, they have to be funds. So, there has to be appropriations that you don't have to spend those appropriations that fiscal year, but there has to be appropriations.

Okay? So, in other words, if you're going to put in uh capital items that don't intend to fund for that year, what you're doing is that you're essentially uh telling your taxpayers, "Can we take your money now, might use it later, but you're asking them to prepay the things ahead of time." I think that's that's my concern with this. You don't have to spend it, but you have to collect it, but you also have to have it in your balance. Yeah. Yeah. That's the big That's the biggest bar. We has to be a source of funds. What you have, right? We can't put $3 million in the capital fund if we don't have it.

And my and my question on to the process we did last week was say we put let's pick a round number. We put a million dollars worth of things into the capital budget. If we go to bond, that's going to show up on our balance sheet as money spent. In other words, this town's spending money like a drunken sailor. We're not going to give them a great bond rating because they're spending all even though we don't we say we don't have the intent of spending it. When they look at our balance sheet, they're going to say they put this money out to be spent. That's correct. So, we're going to use that as coming up with their bond number or their rating number. So it's not going to it's going to have it's going to have parentheses.

It's not going to look good. So John, to clarify what it's not going to show debt. It's going to show less fund balance. Correct. Which which will affect our which will affect our bond rating. I think we're all on the same train and on the same track. I just we want to we want to make sure that we preserve the ability to go after funds and if we have them in the fi fiveyear plan um it's something that our planner can go after. But we're revisiting the capital budget that we did last week. So, a couple of things. Uh, so tonight, um, uh, fees and fines, I would like to send that to the budget committee because I don't think that would change anything and for them to look over and then put it on the agenda for next month if that's okay with the council. I'll make a motion to do that. Oh, for next

the regular next month. Oh, yeah. That's when we look at the that's our last look at the budget, right? Well, no, it would be put a regular meeting again, right? But that's when we look that isn't that when we you're going to have uh you know you're going to account for what the collect you need to change your ordinance to that I do think it's appropriate to have the finance uh the budget communicate right but that would be so that your ordinance changed my question was the timing calendar is the our next pro budget process is the next meeting correct no I got the sheet here Joe and it looks Do we have these are if needed? We've got a couple if needed ones coming up.

Uh today is this for the preliminary budget. We're supposed to approve today, right? But then we've got the petitions for buffer buffer referendum. The final budget is May 12th. So it's not next month. Not next month, but we I'm sure one of these if needed and again [clears throat] these fees it's not going to affect this budget. So I I just want to do it right. So that's the case. Fine. I'll second the motion. All in favor? I. Um the other thing is um that I'd like to uh send the special revenue funds to the budget committee to review. Uh again, that doesn't change anything in this budget. That's okay. And then come back with a uh some sort of plan for us.

I'll make a motion. Second. All in favor? I Okay. uh tonight if we could start off. We still have to finish the operation, but I think it would be good that if we started with revenues and then we went to operations uh operating budget and then talk about capital budget and then wastewater management for sure. Okay. What paid the revenues on?

Okay. And then one last thing, um the Gary and uh Brian and I have been u talking to different people and I'm going to let uh Brian uh tell you who we've been talking to. We're going to be setting up meetings because we're looking under every rock for every penny. So

thanks Mr. Rio. Uh Mr. president and members of the council last uh week at the um less of cities and towns. We were fortunate to uh meet with uh several different people to set up uh we don't have date certain yet but set up meetings with the Red Island Interlocal Trust um uh commerce Red Island Commerce um we reached out to Hilltop uh Securities who are uh they help us with our investments and bonds um and they're going to help us look at uh our debt service uh and the The last one is the uh I always forget to commerce

ride right reaching out we met with uh a gentleman from ride and we're going to uh try to set up a meeting so that we understand the formula better and how the uh and actually I I reached out to Mr. bruisy today get the exact language that we need uh to ask the questions derived to figure out what that how that radical uh rate impacted Warren and why it impacted me

and again you know mistakes could be made and you know if they short changed us we just want to confirm that they didn't um as far as the um commerce uh we're looking to see if there's any other grants available or if they owe us any money Um the third one was crushed the truck. Again, we're looking to see if there's any sort we Okay,

we're looking to see if there's any savings um in insurance and who knows, we may be underinsured. So, you know, sometimes when you look at insurance, you learn a lot. And the last one was the debt service. our finance debt service is very important especially as we're looking into the future because that may be an area we may able to modify or do something. Uh I'm just looking at this point for options what we can do in the future. So these are all areas that uh will help us maybe today or in the future. One minute before you begin

Mr. Cabraw, do you know where the switch is for this uh machine above us? Can you shut this thing off? We have the window open. It's nice in here. When that shuts off, it's unbelievably quiet. It's amazing how loud it is. Thank you. Uh, go ahead. I don't have to start over, do I? Yeah. No. All right. So, I think we're good. I think we want to go to revenue at this point.

Something's still running, but little quiet. may take a minute if it's the issue of the air handler.

I like it during a council meeting it shuts off and it's like what just happened. You don't realize how loud it is right above us. Uh good. You don't have to wait. It'll happen. Lewis. All right. So, uh the I guess the first page and I'm going to go over the things I highlighted. They may not be important, but we need some a little bit of explanation on these things as we go. The first one is miscellaneous revenue. Gary, are we on page four?

We are on page four. Yes. The top of page four is where the revenue is. Gary, we went from uh last year $300 and we went up to $1,800. What caused that increase? That's the other miscellaneous receipts. Yeah. If you don't have something um other miscellaneous Yeah. If you don't have an answer now, just plug it in afterwards. I don't think this is going to change any

regular item that goes in there is charging. um charge point that the u at the beach will charge your electric cars. They give us Oh, okay. revenue. I think that's the only in there. And it's about 100 bucks a month. Yeah. But what's the what's the uh 12,000 goes up to 30,000 across the board those budget years? Yeah. I don't I don't we probably put something else in there at one point 23,000 back in 24 then it was

actual of 24,000 and 25 then 12,000 and that year we budgeted 30,000 you see these 24 25 I don't see it here previous line I don't see the 24 I see the 16 actual in 20 in 25 2025 it says 24,000 if you go across the across that to the right on the bottom All right. So, so let me just pull this pull clarification. Are we talking about We're in a different row. Oh, all right. Where are we? We're talking about other miscellaneous receipts. Yeah, he's I'm sorry. I was one Oh, thank you. So, again, I didn't even look at that line, the title.

You know, I'm just trying to follow the ordinance. Anything that's over 4% that we want to just plug in an explanation. So, I'm good with that page. We could go to page six. I know. But what what's the explanation though? In 25 we had $200 there and we brought in6,000 or spent6,000. Then in 26 we budgeted 300 and we actual 1483. I mean what is this line item? So let me just say this out of fair fairness to Gary. Yeah. And your honeymoon is almost over, Gary. uh these are things that he inherited from the other guys. So

yeah kind of joking on this way to put something that's great. So once you figure it out if you could just plug it in Gary. We're not going to hold you to that. [clears throat] So we're um keeping the funds the budget as the manager suggested. Yes. I'll make a motion we keep the uh revenue at where is the total here? Uh 20,000 no 48,230. Is that the number I'm looking to approve? Yeah, the bottom

I just have a quick question. In in 26 the budget was 403 but we only brought in about half of what we expected. Uh is sorry I'm I'm back on page uh four Gary. Um No, I'm back on page four. Oh. On the finance and assessor. Yep, that's where No, it doesn't look like What number you on? I'm on. That's page four. In my budget, it says FY26, budget 403200, and then actual 2022 276. Is that what other

Yeah, that's what we're looking That's the That's the bottom line for total revenue. the one that was in front of us today. Yes. Right. But it doesn't look like that matches there because we're not through the fiscal year yet. Yeah. So, if you look to the side, uh Derek, you'll see that we're 50% which would be half of the 43 that we ah I see that that was my error. Thank you so much. I apologize. Thinking we had half as we revenue half as much as you expect. Right. It's half. So, we made a motion and a second to approve that one. Yep. Now, while we're on this page, do we want to do the expenses? So that's the page out. No, let's go back to expenses. 408230. Correct, John? Yes. 408230. There's a second. Yeah. And all in favor? I.

Okay. So on page six under revenue town clerk, um under business registrations, I see that for the notes, we want to we're actually down 6%. But yet we're at 83% what we budgeted last year. It does say include tattoos and PL license. I just don't know why that number would have went down. God bless you. Oh, sorry. We had to go. It's kind of been the end of the year. Those come in sometimes the deadlines are not until April or May,

right? So, so that's my reason. So, instead of going down 6%, we probably should have gone up 6%. now for revenue. Yeah. So, do you expect more stuff to come in April, May? Yeah. Like we're starting to get them now. Have you noticed a lot of renewables are coming through, right? So, Gary, Gary, do you think that number should be higher if we We're at 83% year to date. We budgeted 12,000. We're almost at 10 right now. Yeah. Probably should be higher. 13,000 maybe. Which one, Lewis? So if you go to licensed business registration, yeah,

if you go across 24, we budgeted 10,000, we actually got 11,700. 25, we budgeted 10,000, we've got 10,300. Last year, we budgeted 12 and we're at 83%. Uh, but yet 2025, we only took in 10. So it's it's it could it actually could go down. You forced it to go down, right? But if you're good with that number, I'm good with that number. Okay. Because there still that haven't renewed that well. So I think we should change it back to 12, Gary. All right. So that's a motion. 12. What's that? 12 on my sheet. Yeah. No, on my sheet.

12's on the left. If you look at the right, the right, it's 11255. I'll make a motion to change that revenue to 12,000. John, you second it. I'll second. All in favor? I Okay. Okay. Second. Uh, mortgage deeds. Um, Sandy, we we brought that to $100,000. You comfortable with that? That's a That's a 40% increase. We're at 57%. We budgeted last year 515. Yeah. Okay. I'm Do you see a lot more house sales in the next coming year?

I I don't, but You could get more and then it depends. So, just like my birth certificates, death certificates. We don't never know how many we're going to get. Should it be adjusted lower? I think I think it should be adjusted lower. I come up with 62,000 if we average out year to date. Is that too low or do you want to just stick to the 715 like we did last year? the 715. I'm looking looking at the two previous fiscal years and that the 715 is closer than the 62. So, let's just change that number to an even number of $70,000.

Make a motion to change the uh recording deed mortgage totals to what was it? 70,000. 70 70,000. Second. All in favor? I. And now what about the uh realy transfer fees? Yeah. So, um, that's 50 higher than I mean, they wanted 200,000 and we're already where So, that that in line, Gary, there's that that one's in line. There you go. [clears throat] Um, I don't know what you want to put for an explanation there, Gary, if if any. Um, probate court fees. That's down 29%. Are you good with that $15,000, Sandy?

Yes. Okay. [clears throat] I guess that's it. So, we got to figure out what the new number is. That 585 minus 82,000 I mean 558. 595 minus 82. No. Where are you coming up with 82? We We dropped 100. Uh we dropped 100 to 70. So that's 30,000 nail is there. I added the two together. My error. That's okay. And then we Gary, can you do the numbers? I think it's 70,700 and something. Not an accountant.

Yeah, but it's the total number we got to approve. [sighs] Let's see how good my eyes are. That say 52340. 529. 529. I'll make I'll make a motion we approve uh revenue for the uh licenses and fees at $529 $340. Second. All in favor? I Okay.

All right. Next page. Page seven. Um third party billing. Um I I think this one went a little bit overboard. Uh, and I know that sometimes we receive the money late and and it it skews it, but I think that we're going from 700 to 775 and we're only at 63%. Um, Chief, yes. Again, this isn't a perfect science, but we want to get as close as possible.

I've spoken to Brian and Gary on this. I think you're a little high at the 775. I think it'd be more comfortable bringing it down to the 750. that would be up from 700 in the previous year. The reason being we've uh you know we're on track to bring in 800,000 this year um from that account and the cost is 48,000 6% of the 800 to pay Coronis. So I think at 775 you'd be looking at needing to make close to 850 and I don't know if we'd be able to do that. So you're good with 750? 750. Still the same with Brian and Gary. Yeah. I'll make a motion to change it to 750. Second. All in favor? I

sorry getting the report on the bond. So now the total on this is going to be it's just that one line item in there. I'll make a motion to approve uh fire department revenues in the amount of 750,000. Second. All in favor?

I All right. So we got the police department here. Chief. Uh, so we budgeted last year $90,000. We're at $128,000 and 1285 and we budgeted 120 and I know there's going to be a lot of lot of road detail. I figured we should be at right 192748. Um, is there a reason why we only at 120? Which are you on the entire line item? Where you at? So I'm under page eight under road duty cruiser revenue.

I think the concern is that we vehicles that we're able to get out there. Um we don't have a limited amount of vehicles to be able to put out. um concerned if we put more money in there than we're able to get vehicles out there to collect that money. I believe that's where most of that function. But again, we've already did that's just that it's just the detail fee,

right? So So could we bring that up to like 140? Uh if we we've already gotten 143% of what we did last year. Um I'm coming out averaging 192 if we did the same thing we've done so far this year. So is 140 unreasonable an extra $20,000 there? Well, I'm going back to the two other previous fiscal years, Lewis, and we're not even close to 140. We're barely and back in 2024, we're barely half of 140. Sure. I think the what I'm looking at I'm looking at what we've done this year, we've already doneund almost 129,000. We're only eight months into it. And we know that next year we're going to be doing a lot of road details, especially on Main Street, you know.

Correct. We are. But again, it's just the amount of cruises I can put out there. And I like I told you before, I have no plan of putting a frontline car on a detail. Mhm. So if they call for five, they're only going to get three or four. Okay. Again, I'm giving you an argument. What's your thoughts? Is 140 too much based on we've already did 129 this year? I mean, we've we've had constructions in the past and um you know, back when we did Water Street, right? That was all summer long. So that was before 24 though, wasn't it? I believe so. And you didn't force cars. I mean, people weren't using cars as much as they do today, right? Correct. Yeah. Now, everybody wants a every detail wants a cruiser out there with with an officer. So,

so it's not a it's not unrealistic, but 140 is not unrealistic. I mean, I do agree we do have a lot of detail street. we're gonna have. Again, it's not a perfect science, but again, I I No, we haven't talked about that. Yes. Is that why there was a Bristol when we can't fill the details? Bristol. Uh, we we we asked them Bristol and Mar we have an MOU. I've noticed. All right. So, I'll make a motion for 1:30. I'll second it. Okay. All in favor? I. So that's from 120 to 130.

All right. And then the special the uh road duty administration revenue. Again, we're 114,000. We plugged in 30,000 last year. Uh we kept it at 30. I'm thinking again there's going to be more road duty. I I would just say that to raise it to is 40,000 unreasonable? No. I think it's a good number. Make a motion to raise it to $40,000. Second. All in favor? I think I got the new number here. I'll make a motion we approve $176,780 for total revenue for the police. Second. In favor? I. Okay. So, page nine.

Thank you, gentlemen. Hi. Page nine. We just go back to that. I'm sure what was the 176 is what I came up with. 780. 176. 780. Well, 7611. Do the math separately. So, we make sure that we only took whole numbers off. How that How' that Yeah, we only took 10. We took 20,000. We added 20,000. 176 78. All right. So, yeah, always do the math. Doesn't say on the back of my head for no reason.

So, sure that we get it right. The next page, meal taxes. Um, we're up 9% of again, if we do year to date, I think it would be another 40,000, but I'm I'm I'm okay with that number that you have there. Sorry, I'm um check those numbers. The state sends sent us those objections. Sorry, just to go back a second. What which line are we looking at? So, under the the shared services, the page nine. Yep. The the third line down, fourth line down, meals taxes. Meals tax. Okay. Thank you.

So, okay. So, you say the state sends us these numbers, but we have actuals here and and so far this year, we've already we've already received [clears throat] 454,941. We're at 78%. I don't foresee people eating out less. I foresee it more. So the 638 is not unreasonable. I come up with 682, but I'm okay with the 638. I think the 68 more reasonable again judging by the past two fiscal the two fiscal years we completed. Which one? How much you think is a reasonable? We have the 638. Yeah. Okay. Um telephones.

I just Sorry. So, we'll just on that line item that next year we are going to have the World Cup and that does bring in a lot of additional folks out to restaurants and such. So, that might be I I think it is a conservative estimate, but I'm happy to leave it as is. [clears throat] Okay. So, uh telephone tax transfer every year I ask the same question. What is this? What's the bill on your cell phone? Is that what it is? One of the added things to it, I think, isn't it? Um, yeah. I'm not Comes from the state. That is another state. Yeah, that's another one that the state gave us the uh their projection.

So again, tell me now. So, okay, that's your reasoning for put it on here, but if we budgeted 150 last year, we're already at 159, which is 106% why the state would come in at less. I'm averaging it out, it should be around $239,000. So, I think that number is way [clears throat] under. So, I I would push to bring that up to at least 160. 160. So go ahead. From 134 to 160. The telephone tax comes in. That's collected. I assume there. So we we've already collected 159. We're not going to be getting that. All right. So if we're 160, that's not unreasonable,

right? That's what I was going to say. We're at 159. So I'll make a motion to change that number to 160. Yeah, I'll second that. It looks like the past couple of bus budget uh fiscal budgets it went up about $10,000 per year. So to go from 150 to 160 is not unreasonable. So John seconds. All in favor?

Um I guess I guess I have the hotel tax. What is that? Is that for uh is that for uh Airbnbs? Bed tax. Yeah. Yes. Hotel. There is also Airbnbs. Yeah, we don't have any hotels. Well, we do get hotel tax. It's [clears throat] it's just it's the bed tax that that comes from the Airbnbs. So, we we we get the least in the in the region because we don't Gary Gary, can you just come up with a a new bottom line so we can make a motion on that? Sure.

So, Head Start only pays us $24,000. I think we have a uh we're in the middle of contract with them. I think we had a three-year three-year lease with them. Did we have a lease with them? I'm sorry, Mr. With Head Start. We have a lease with them. So, that's that number is fixed for the next couple years. The Head Start lease. Yes, Head Start. Yeah. Yeah. We have a lease. Okay. Yeah. You get a new number

and we cover all the utilities there. Correct. Yes. And all the repair unless they grants they help some. I think they did a roof and something when they came in. I'll make a motion for shared services in the amount of $3,964,760. Second. All in favor? I. All right. Moving along. Page 10. We have no revenue there. Publication liquid there. Wait a minute. What did you say? Skipped over. Page 11 had revenue.

Yeah, but there was no changes. We got to make I'll make a motion. Changes. I'm sorry. We approve $128,000 under uh revenue for the I guess that would be the Harbor Master Hog Commission. This takes into account Mr. Silva's increases. No, again, this is I think we're not we're not taking that into consideration at this point because we're going to look at it and then we'll come back to the council on that. I I'll second the motion in favor of 128,000. Yeah, but he he has a page right here. Yeah, once uh we we'll look at all the fees and fines at the same time and then we'll come back with Well, then we got to come back and change this. No, but it's right here, Louis.

Right. The numbers are not going to be significant that much where it's where it's going to change the budget and that's why I'm saying that we don't need to change it. Do we going to need to come back and change it later? No. Okay. So, we won't have to come back and change this per company. You are aware. I am aware of it. We got all the fees and fines. President can turn on. There you go. Mr. President, if you recall, those changes um were put into place after we had already sent out the this year's fees for so those we won't be able to put those fees in place until next year. So those fees are because those fees have to those letters have to go out in January.

And although I think Tony, you said we have to do it by ordinance, right? Any fees and fines, right? Okay. So Well, we already passed ordinance. Yeah, we already passed it. It's not going to it won't be reflected till next year's fiscal budget, the increases because of all the I'm a little confused now. If we had all the applications for this year, we already passed the ordinance to raise the dock fee. We had two readings for it. Oh, yes. Just that dock fees. Yes, you're right. But everything else, the applications have already gone out, so they can't be done in live time. Okay, we all set with that page for the future. No, we still have to vote. I believe M on this page. for the 128. We didn't make a change. Well, we still got

We didn't make a change. We don't have to vote on it. It's going to be at the end. I defer to you, Judge. I don't know. You tell me. We still have to vote on it. Yeah, we have a motion in a second. Let's just vote. All in favor? I I thought we only had to make the changes and at the end I I don't see any changes. Approve the finished number. I don't I don't see any changes for recreation department. Make a motion we approve recreation department revenue at $146,000. Second. All in favor? So, what do we do about the pages that we didn't do anything to? Ian didn't take a vote on. Well, there expenses. He wants to go back. We're going to go back and go to

Okay. Okay. I get it. It won't take long. Okay. So, I let you do it. Go ahead. Public works page 13. uh the transfer station um commercial fee revenue. We're at 75. We budgeted 116,500. We're at 75% at 87490. I think that number should be 150 unless somebody Mary, are you okay with that or would there be a reason not to? All right. All right. So, I'm going to make a motion to increase that from 125 to 150 in the Again, Louis, I'm going to go back to the previous two completed fiscal years. We didn't get close to 150,

right? We got 119 and we got a 124. Yeah. So, what I'm looking at is what we've done year to date. So, this could be reflective of uh increases in fees and stuff like that. So, that's where I'm coming up with those figures. I understand what you're saying that the prior years was 1119124 but we've already used it you know 87,490 we've gotten in revenue at 75% we still got four months to go that's my argument again this is not a perfect science is

May may I ask Mary um is it typical that in the springtime when people are doing sort of their lawn site type situations that we see more revenue come in during this this time of the here then essentially does it spike is what Sure. Yeah, there'll be a little bit of an uptick. People are cleaning out their garages. They're cleaning out their gardens. There's going to be a little bit more in the spring. We've seen it already in the last couple weeks. Uh we've also seen an uptick in bulk pickup items. We have a small amount of revenue from that, about $4,000 so far this year. Uh

usually up to fourth of July and then you see it flatten slightly. So, one of the things with this revenue, we're thinking it's just for uh trash, but you have other revenue that that's reflected up in here that's not broken down. So, this is the total revenue. The only thing I'm concerned about is if we budget more in revenue than we actually get, we have to make that up. Right. Correct.

So, I I just I I feel like we should be a little bit more conservative and go with what has been the norm over the last few years. And if it turns out that this year when it all is said and done in fiscal 26 actual was actually closer to 150, then I would feel comfortable moving it. But since it's not been that case that we've gotten that high before, I'd rather keep it at 125 if that's all right. Well, I I guess the push back to your argument is uh that you know we're at we're at 75% of what was budgeted last year. And that's where I'm making my argument, but if you want to keep it at the 125, I'm okay with that. I I think it's in 50. I'll make a motion then in the amount of uh for the public works in the amount of 125,000. Second. All

in favor? I building inspector. Yeah. You know, um I did have a question on one, but Matt explained it, so I'm good with his. So, I make a a motion to approve $274,500. Second. Um I unless you wanted to change something, Matt. Yeah, I I think that number's high even at 274. Yes. Which which line item do you think is the one that's way out of whack, Matt? The permit fees.

So, the permit fees. So, we this year's permit fees. We're on track right now for over the past three year actuals um for permits. Um I will say 24 we were we were so we're at we're at 50 permits issued right now. In 24 we were issuing 50 in uh February. So we were ahead of of uh what we are at now. But in um 23 and 25 50 was in the middle of March actually same week of March. The number that's presented now in the actual of 235 is um we had Penny Lane this year which was a $4.9 million project that was a $54,000 permit. I don't see next year uh a project of that magnitude uh in town.

Matt, did we we had a big project in 24 too. I think that's what put that number up to the 277 of the actual. So um I I can't remember which one of one of the years it might have been 24 um we had the permitting for the um solar farm that which that was another that was another big um we do have there is there is a it's there is a project that potentially might be coming down that would be a pretty decent sized project but that's not anywhere near that's still in the planning stages right now and it's not settller's green it's um something else that might come down so the 250 is a number you would want keep that.

I would say actually we probably should lower that because I don't think we're going to hit if you if you were to take So right now the the the actual of of this year fiscal year is 235. If you were to remove Penny Lane from that, we're at 181. So I don't want I don't want to go too high and like what Councilman Trombley said, you know, it then we then we have to try to find that money. Um because I I don't see I mean it would be great if we can have a boom but even um even in Bristol the numbers are down and their projections for permits are down. Um I think you know we we have stuff going on in the world right now that construction isn't really everybody's a little bit nervous about doing construction. So

but we don't have to I mean it's not 250 that we did 250 last year. Well, exactly. But I don't want to say 250 and then we we the tax rate would be improperly 270. I'm good at keeping it 250. Also, I'll make a motion we change that line item for permit revenue from 270 to 250. And is that the only item on this line you want to talk about? Yeah. And I'll make a motion that we approve total revenue from the building. Do it separate. All right. Yeah. Sorry, we didn't go down. [clears throat] Go ahead. Motion to reduce line item from 270 to 250 for permits for B building permits ping. Second. All in favor?

I. Okay. Now make a motion. We reduce the total revenue for the building department to $254,500. Second. All in favor? I just had a question. Discussion. Um if it So just to enlighten me if if it does if the projection is we're projecting 250. Yeah. If it comes in at 200, then the we're short 50. Technically, in that situation, we have to pull it from other line items in the budget to make up. Right. Okay. Well, or the capital fund. It really impacts your tax rate as well. Correct.

So, you're not you're not pulling in any money out of the general fund if we don't spend it. What it's saying is that we're not putting as much into the general fund. Yeah. as we correct. But the whole budget is based on what we're going to take in. Correct. But I mean I just want take in as much as we thought. But I don't want Mr. Trump to think that if we say we're making 174,000, we only bring 160, we have to find 14 somewhere. That's not really how I understand your concern, but a lot of these things will wash out. So it's again, it's not perfect. I I just like to have a reasoning why we're we're coming up with these numbers. No, I having it as close as possible is the most accurate way of representing our intentions to the public.

Mr. President, I understand now. I do think I agree with Mr. Gabraw that maybe that number's a little bit too optimistic, but I I defer to the will of the council. So, well, 30 done. All in favor? I No. Okay. All right. So, uh, the for senior center 17, page 17, other sources skipped over boards, planning and zoning boards. I think we've skipped over others as well as what I was pointing out.

Did I miss time? I think I was going over my page at a time, all the ones that had revenue on it. You know, the problem is I don't have a page 15. It happens. It's not the end of the world. You're not playing with a full deck. No, Jim. You didn't have to laugh with him. I mean, you're actually his buddy. That's why he's laughing so hard. Jesus, [laughter] you the one that took page 15 out of his package to get to get him.

Mr. President, I have a question. And I don't know if this be appropriate for Matt or not, but uh so in this basically planning board fees are flat from the previous year and then zoning board fees increases significantly. I presume that's due to the Penny Lane development. Is that uh would that be an accurate summation? No. No. the the fees. I mean, if you go over the three-year projection actual, excuse me. Yeah. It goes from 11,000 down to 4,000 down to 3,000, right? So, it's it's actually dropping off. So, so why are we at 5,000 then?

Um I can help explain a little bit of that, I believe. Well, the before you, if you don't mind, sorry. um unified development review. Exactly where I was is going to change the zoning because then it's not going to be coming into zoning. It's going to be coming into planning. Okay. Thank you. It's exactly where I was going, man. So, you go 5,000. Thank you.

Um it it's kind of a balancing act because if you look you're looking at 7,000 for the planning where this year we're at 4,000. So I think we're not seeing as many zoning uh cases as we have in the past because of unified development and also we're projection we're projecting lower on building and there's also laws that have been changed that doesn't you know there's not a need to go to zoning. So, I mean, 5,000 I would say to be safe, that's okay. But it's I it's too new for us to give a projection as to what where we're going to actually be at with zoning. But I I don't see us increasing in zoning drastically.

Okay. side. If if that's the case, I would feel comfortable dropping this based on I know that the numbers are more more promising in FY26 to date to the end of February. But I would feel comfortable dropping that to four from from 5,000 to 4,000 if my fellow councilman and I I'm going to second that motion just make you feel good. It's not going to make a big difference, but is there a second? I was second it. Derek made it. What about on the planning board fees? Are you good with that, Derek? I think so. Yeah, because we're at 51%. Matt, you good with that?

Yes. Okay. Years were about 7,000. So 8,000 makes sense to me. I will make a motion for the total planning and zoning board fees in the amount of $11,500. No, how would we do that? If we want Excuse me. Excuse me. 12,000. 12,000. I was reading the previous number at the bottom. So, we went from 13,000 to 12. We took a,000 off. So, it's $12,000 even. Correct. Second. All in favor? I I

Okay. So, I guess the sewer use fees is the last one, right? And I don't have any problems with the fees. You do you have page 16 or 17? No, wait a minute. 16. 16. 16 is going to be just the total of all the revenue that we approved. I believe that's the only revenue on page 16. 16. Yeah. What? And some social services revenue has no line. Okay. I don't have any revenue on page. Just the very very top. There's one line, but there's no entries in it. Okay. Because I think that's the the final page of the total revenue together. Am I correct? No. No. They just don't have any car. Okay.

And then 7 is senior center. Senior center. Okay. That's at 35,000. Yeah. So, we're keeping that the same. And then and this money is coming from the uh the tr the trust. Can I ask you something? Is that the Joseph Martin trust or is that a different trust? Yes. I thought it was a different trust. No. No. How much do we have left in there? Because I know we only had two or three years left throwing it. He had 186,000 I think. 86,000. I think it's But we drew on it for a couple of years. Well, he's going to he I'm sure he Mr. Sullivan must have it.

I I think we're good for another two years at 35,000, but I could be wrong. I believe right now it's 100. Okay, we got at least two more years. Okay. I make a motion to approve $35,000. Second 122106 is we got all in favor three years out of it. I got not taken. So that'll be down to the 86 I thought. Yeah. Correct.

All right. The uh sewer department. Yeah. One question I had as we've tried to readjust our thinking on the sewer usage fee. I'm sure the number would be too high, but Anthony, could we hypothetically look at the cost of the bond that we're spending over there and do a formula on the sewer usage fee? We had $18 million left. The problem with that, Joe, the bond is being paid by the entire town, even the people without sewer, right?

The people without sewer. Oh, so only paying sewer use fees. So that it would be a smaller divisible, right? Not only that, but that we'd be lo if you if you b just brought it over to the sewer use fees, you would be relieving the other people of the obligation. That's what I mean. And a smaller pool. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. I was trying to think why we I remember that discussion and that's back when we didn't uh well because the bond came in before we came up with the sewer use fees and it was back when we decided not to relieve anybody correct we stuck with it as a whole town issue actually I just want to refresh I've been here two

I believe those bonds have a 10 year Oh no I'm thinking of the schools we have I think I think 15 left do we have a number on that there are you comfortable So, uh, I'm comfortable with these numbers here. Okay. Just one question though. 13. All right. So, we have 13 years left. I think we're paying off about a million a year, aren't we? Yeah. So, it's been seven years since we did the the million. Three. That's just for one bond. There's another bond, too. It's tied for the sewer. That's the 2018. Yeah. Yeah. That's the $20 million.

All right. I don't want to confuse us. Go ahead, Louis. Page. So I I'm good with the uh the town manager recommendation of 2,457,782 for the uh revenue for the two department. Second. All in favor? Okay. All right. Now, so that takes us to page 19. Is there one? No. I think there you go.

So now now we're going to work on finishing the operation operating. So we want to go back to page Again, I don't know if um so we're going to do one at a time. Yeah. Operating. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. You're doing it. So, for operation under the town managers, um I would say that

first off, what page are we on? We'll go back to three. Three. Page three, everybody. Okay, go ahead. Um, so my goal is to uh make up and all our department heads, our department heads for the past two years have taken a 2% raise and there we have the ability next year and the following year we may ask people to make little sacrifices. Again, I don't know for sure, but I would like to increase it to a 4% raise for all the department heads, including the town managers. So, uh, I would ask to increase the town managers, um, from 3% to 4%.

Very interesting. Oops. Again, and the reason I'm doing it, if if you look at what they did the prior to Brian didn't even take a a raise last year. Uh and in the prior two years, most of our department heads took 2% raises. If you average it over three years, it's like a 2.67%. Uh compounding with we don't know what's going to happen in the future. I think we have the ability and if we give them raises, I think the total comes out to about $10,000. I think this is the time to do it. So the total hit to the budget would be about 10 grand. Um yes, roughly. Roughly 10,000. One percentage point on Yeah. I'm I'm very happy with our department heads and I'd like to keep them. So, I will second your motion. All in favor? All right.

The number. So, I don't know what the number is, Gary. What's the number just for the town manager if it's from a 3% to a 4%. 100 80. And so, what does that change the bottom line for the manager? 210 2. I'll make a motion. We approve town manager expenses in the amount of $210,264. Do you have to approve the first one though? This the 4%. Yeah. Well, we voted to increase the Yeah. Yeah. We have to actually

You said all the department, but yeah, we probably have to do one at a time. Yeah. Yeah. Do it individually. I'll make a motion we increase the town manager salary to 108.880. Second. No, no, no. That's too much. U No, that's No. Let me make this motion. I make a motion to increase his uh salary to $100,880. Yeah, that's what I said. I think you said 108. I said 1080. Yeah, it's not 108. $108,800. Yeah. Okay, it doesn't matter. That zero is silent. What is the number? Could you please say it? Yeah, it's 100,880.

800 $880. Okay, that's I didn't hear that any times. I thought he said 108,000. I That's what I heard. $108,000 and then $80. So that's not what John heard. [laughter] No, that's what I think John. All right. All right. So the total amount comes out to 210264. Correct. Is that the right number? Yes. 210 26. So is there a second on that? Is there a vote? All in favor? I uh now what page? Page four. Okay. We're going to need a new new number for the uh

So, I'm going to uh also increase the uh finance director to 4%. Gary was doing two because he knew we were in financial crisis and he took it upon himself. Uh but he has earned this raise. So I'm going to make a motion to change it from 2% to 4%. Um I just need a number, Gary. Yeah, we're watching you on this one, Gary. Not going to be any silent zeros in this one.

There'll be 106 876. Make a motion to change the finance director's wages to 106876. All in favor? And Gary, what is the total amount? We don't need to change anything else, right, Gary? Everything else stays the same. Oh, the assessor department. Okay. I'm sorry, Maya. Assessor. Good. Hi. Uh, wait. That so I I make a motion to change the Can you give me a number before? Yeah, it is cuz the manager somebody proposed default. Oh, yes. So, we got ready.

So, um, 76,38. Make a motion to change the assesses salary to 76,388. Second. Oh, wait a minute. Come up to the podium, miss. Everyone else has their stipen in their salary, but mine is on a separate line item. Where is it? It's under boards and commissions. Let me get the page. There's no tax advantage to keeping them separate, right? They have to get totaled at the end of the year, right? It could affect could affect pension, you know? So, it's better to have some stipens can go charge a pension, some can't.

We've been putting them all together is what we've been doing now for the time. Say that again, Tony. He doesn't. There's no negative towards the town. What my is proposing. Okay. That's what we've been doing. So, do we have to cut it out of the other spot where? Yeah. Trying to find We consolidated the plan on page 16 right before grants boarding commission tax review. How much is it? 3,000. Anthony, what would be that motion? We uh fine. What is I'm not there yet. We got to get to that to that line anyway. What page was it? Page 16. 16. So the 3000 is getting cut out of this.

Yeah. Oh, it's getting taken out of there and then putting putting into her uh salary. So the tax order review. Yes. I'll make a motion to eliminate the 3,000. That way we don't forget. Is there a second? All in favor? I we got to go back to that page, but I I don't want Well, now we're going to make a motion to add it to her salary just like we did with Mr. Cabraw. I believe if I'm not mistaken, that would be 79,388. Ben, is that correct? That's correct. Make a motion for that effect. Second. All in favor? All right. Thank you.

What's the bottom line? Uh no, sorry. Um, and what was it? What was 300,000? Yep. Oh, no. I just gave it old. Yep. Here we go. Just waiting. Got the um the assistant under the finance director. We have assistant salaries. That's where we pay our HR. coordinator. Yes. What page is that? So, same page. Yeah, Colleen, I forgot about that. Four 16 more. [clears throat] Page four.

Four. I'm going to make the motion to change that to 27,581. Which one is that under? So, that's the right on the finance wages. That' be finance wager and salary assistant. Oh, okay. Yep. So, we're making that 27 the um for the assessor would be 79380 388. Now, did that include Wait, we have to take a vote on that. Well, before we vote on that number, was that just adding the straight 3,000 or was that the 3,000 plus the 4%. That was just the 3,000.

The 3,000. So, now we got to add the 4%. No, I think 4% was added. The 4%'s already added. Well, the 4% was added on the base. It wasn't added on the stipen. Yeah. No, the stipen stays the same. It's just the base. Hey, but Gary, if you could put under Wait, you have something then? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. So, the stipen has to be added first and then the then the 4% is is the that's what I was clarifying. I apologize for that. So what's the magic number then?

So last year's the salary was 37442 times 4 add 4% and then no add 3,000 and then add 4%. No, wait. We we have to take care of Maya's first. That's Yeah. All right. I'm sorry. Thank you. So we already have voted on the other one, right? The assistant wages, right? We're just going to get the new number and we're going to change my getting a little ahead of ourselves. We have to settle out Maya's and then we'll go to the human resource. Okay.

795. I'll make a motion we change 79,500. Second. All in favor? I now we need the new total. Yep. Now we go to the HR. We'll make a motion to change it um HR to 27581. Second. All in favor? I Lewis, we're going to do the total. What's the total for that page? Gary has the calculator. So, it's um 3,794 251. I'll make a motion. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That That doesn't sound right.

Yeah, we went up about $6,000. So, so if we were at 3,400,000 now, he just said 3,700,000. We're at 3,788. Oh, I'm I you know, I apologize. I I was looking at the bottom one like you do all the time. All right. Give us a new number, Gary. We did. We reduce the debt service. So, the total number we're approving right now is 3794250. Correct. 251. 251. 251. which I believe Councilman Trad made a motion and I will second it. All in favor?

I I so I I just want to apologize because I got the original sheet. I had made all my notes. I wasn't going to do it all again and that's where the discrepancy is. We forgive you. It's not like I'm sleeping. All right. So, the next page would be the town clerk. It's very active sleeper. No, correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't that just be then the requested of 80,319 because that's already an increase of 4%. That's correct. But the town manager reduced it. So yeah. So the new the new number would be the 8319. But we already know the number. Correct. So I'll make a motion the amount of 80,319. Second. All for what?

For the town clerk salary union. I have to stay stay in timing with him. You got it? Yeah, that's fine. All in favor. [clears throat] It's gonna be nice to have a real time Gary. Thank you for doing this. Anything else? Deputy deputy south. It's mayor also. I'll make a motion we approve the approve the deputy uh town clerk salary in the amount of 63,963. Oh, I'm one line too high. $66,36. Second. One in favor. I

What's the new number? Bottom line is 453992. Make a motion to approve 453592. 9992. 9992. Excuse me. All in favor? Wait, there was a motion. Carrie second it. All in favor? All right. Okay. So, next page would be the fire department. I'm going to make a motion we increase the fire fire wages and salaries of non-unions to $90,440. Second. All in favor? I. Was there Was there anything else we needed to

the fire? I'm going to make a motion we improve or we uh increase the fire uh prevention marshall to 65,134. Second. Now, does he have any stipens, chief? Is that [clears throat] which is it? Any stipens minus EMA director? No. Does Does uh No, m Mr. uh is that it, Chief? Yeah. All right. All in favor? I need a new bottom line. Mr. Premiano, my brain would work. Like a motion to approve in the amount of 1,367,289. Second.

All in favor? I. All right. Hey J, I will make a motion we increase the uh police salaries non-unions to $114,475. Second. All in favor? I page that is. Is there anything else on there? No, the department heads on that page. Nope. So, we just need the new number for the bottom which Derek can see very clearly. So, I will let him get the motion. I thought he was doing the math. He's just looking. Huh? [laughter] 3,590,159. I'll second that.

All in favor? I. Okay. Moving on. Fourth page loss. So, shared services doesn't have anything. Uh, animal control officer. Are we going to do the expenses for the shared services yet? Oh, I'm sorry, Zach. Yeah. Is there anything that's going to change on the U expenses? Uh, Gary, um, yeah, I believe because we we did talk about all of those last month, last week. So, I will make a motion we approve the expenses for the shared services and the amount. Well, I'm sorry,

I think we did make changes last last week. So, benefits that we didn't include. So, um I think we need Oh, yeah. Um yeah, we didn't include the buyback and the um AB the accidental insurance and that would all be under the employee benefit line. What do we need to increase that to? Um, probably 40,000.

So, where is that? What what number? How far down? So, 1 98 1 98 1 983411. That would be a $40,000 increase. And that's the healthcare increase that we got that email about. And then yes, that reflects the only thing that we didn't include that. Right. So, I'll make a motion. We I'm going to increase it by 40. Yep. I'm going to uh uh we increase shared employee benefits to 1,00 1,983,411.

Okay. One [clears throat] 1 million 987347. We if we added $40,000 even and I got 1,943,000. The hell do we get a seven in there?

40 + 43 183. The number the number that Well, unless there's something wrong on my sheet, but the number I have on my sheet, if I add $40,000 to it, it comes out to 1983. It should be 198. Yes. 341. 4 turns into eight. Correct.

Unless it's not exactly 40 one nine with the $40,000 increase. I have 1 1983 411. Yeah. Okay. So, it's only going to change the bottom line by 40,000. So, I'll make 655. 550. No, 560. Yeah, 550. Excuse me. 655. So move. Second. All in favor? I 654. 654. 654.

We're adding $40,000 to that page. 655. How was it? 655. It's 654. So we all have different numbers on 404 654. There's a four right here. I got too many digits there. Could it be a 64? We're not adding We're only adding $40,000. Okay, we're adding $40,000. I was talking about the first three digits being 655. You were talking about the second three digits being 65. 654. Yeah. Okay. I was in the front. You were in the back.

Yeah. The number is the number is 6,550,654. Agreed. Yeah. Agreed. We're all on the same page. Yep. I. All in favor? I. Okay. Now, I think Mr. Disto is up. Nope. No. Standing up. Oh, we had to get up. I will make a motion we increase the animal control officer. Oh, yeah. That's right. He's in the union though. He's in the union. Okay. Thank you, Maya. You just earned your 3,000. So, uh I guess if there's no changes there, we'll we'll approve 86,155. Second. All in favor?

I I'll make a motion to increase the harbor master wages uh to 25,54. Second. All in favor? I. I'll make a motion to approve total expenses in the amount of sorry Gary I'll give you time to catch up it's 706 70,869 second all in favor I already did the did we no so we gave her we went through the the department last yeah so we already gave you your

Y Okay. Um, so and I think we approved that whole page, right? Yeah, we approved the page, but just out of just to be safe, I'll just make a motion to approve total expenses for recreational amount $228,54 or excuse me, $45. Second. I'm sorry. Say the number again. I apologize. I went too fast. $228,45. Is that right, Gary? This one right here. Yep. Yeah, we're not making a change. Nope. Okay. Okay. Motion. All in favor? Okay. Where are we next? We're going to public works next. Yeah. So, at 4%

uh did we Well, we haven't done public. Yeah, we're going to public works page. I'm going to make I'm going to make a motion we increase the public works salaries non-union to $96,354. Second. So, but hold on be before we forget. Is this is this Mary's line or how how we figuring this out? Yeah, I didn't think so. Why is that? No. It's No, I don't I don't make what Mr. Wheeler makes. Right. That hasn't been adjusted in this. So, Gary, can we adjust this? How are we going to do this?

It's an interim position. So my take would be you're probably safer to leave it as it is, but that's I' If you recall, this is an interim position. So we have a a separate contract so to say with uh uh Mary. Um so but all right. So I if so we can still increase this for when Brian comes back. I mean he's still the department head. So I think he should get the 4% raise like we're doing for all the other department. I think I'd rather do that just so that if if there is complications just when he comes back we don't have to go and explain okay we did this ch so we'll just do 4% across the right and the man and she has the contract with the manager so

right so so you're separate you're good the way you're I I mean hey I'd love to be in but yeah that's I've negotiated okay so that that motion that motion was to increase the public wages uh non-union to 96,354. I'll second. Yeah, but wait a minute. That I don't think we need I think in the past do the whole Yeah, we can just do the bottom. Yeah, but we had to increase that one first. All right. Wasn't wasn't a number there. So, you increase you're doing the whole the whole department speed. Gary, I got I have a question.

I'm looking at the top line item, which is public work, wages, and salary non-union. The department proposed 96 350. The manager put forward 95390. I'm changing what? So, the town council approved to 96 354. Correct. You want to change? Yeah, we're changing it. So, I'm changing it to 96 354. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? I And then we just need to do the bottom unless there's another change. I I just have a question. Uh is there a reason why we don't even have another number number under deputy director? Should it be or we just It's a union position though. No, deputy director is Mary. It's not even

So we're utilizing the the director's pay to sub to so that's why we didn't plug it in. Correct. Okay. All right. I'm good with that. All right. What's the change, Derek? Can you read? What's that 1% change? He hasn't done it yet. Well, all right. Don't yell at us. [laughter] Keep it down over there. So, you're going to go line by line for the rest of the No, [clears throat] we're just We're just looking for the total bottom line now with that change. Oh, wait a minute. No, no, no, no. We have to go line by line with this one here. Oh, we haven't done you yet. Last week. That's right. Yes. Well, is there any changes you want to make?

Yeah. So, Mary, you know, I did sit down with you. tell us where we should be changing because forgive me I forgot um it happens on the union salary line I I reran the numbers and there's $20,000 it was um Brian's number is $20,000 higher than so we want to reduce that to one public works wages salary union so that should be um 1 million127280 second Wait a minute. I have it on union. It should be um since I can see the number 1 million125290.

Yeah. I'll make a motion to decrease that line item to 1,125,290. So if it's 20,000 less than it's a little more than 20,000 it looks like. Yeah. All right. Next line item. This the same one. Salaries union public work wages salaries and union. Got it. So say it again. I'm sorry. 1 million. Sorry. 1,125,290, which is just a little bit more than 20,000. Mine says 1,147. Yeah, that's we're 80. We're on a different sheet. No, no, that's what it current that's what it currently is, but the correct number according to Gary, which is about 20,000.

So, right. So, it wasn't around 20,000. It was It wasn't like straight 20,000. It was whatever in. All right. That's why the math we had the wrong number one. Okay, do we have the right number? I'll second Mr. Trombon's motion. All right. All in favor? I Mary, what else needs to be changed? Well, we're taking electricity out of general and office expense. So, so the 66,800. You good with that? We're with the electricity out. My math has us at 70% of that budget right now. So, when is this This is general and office expenses. General

and the one right underneath it is electricity. That's coming out of the general offices. And so we're at 70% now. So So you're thinking that should probably be up to 70,000 instead of 66. That would be very helpful. Okay. I'll make a motion to change that number to $7,800. Second. That's general office. 800. No. 70,800. Listen. No, I'll make a motion to change it to 71,000. I am tired of these numbers. We need to round them up. 71. 71,000. Is there a second? Second it. All in favor? I I. Mary, what else?

Uh the clothing allowance is contractual. Uh there's an allowance per employee and they have the option uh for a reimbursement for footwear two times a year. If we do that uh exact number for each employee, we would need to increase that budget to 24150. Whoa. From 18,000. Where did that happen? The uh boot reimbursement was coming out of general and office. So, we reallocated it to clothing allowance. It just felt like a more appropriate Yeah. We can move it to safety equipment if that seems more appropriate, but it's it seems to fall. Pistol toe. Yeah. Going to safety. Didn't we just get a grant for safety? Not for that. So,

so Mary, just a quick question. So, in the past two, I mean, I don't know how much of this was kind of done by by Gary, but in the past two complete fiscal years, 24 and 25, it was only about 17,000 used of of that line item. So, Derek, the reason why is they used to take it out of general and office expense. They used to take out of different lines. So, this is something that in the future we're going to start working with address these things a little bit better, you know, trying to bring it into a better accountability. No, no. I I thank you for the fine. Yeah, I understand. So, I'll make the motion to $24,000 on the um clothing allowance. Yeah, but what's the increase? That's about 6,000 or 5,000.

Again, I'm just rounding up to $24,000. You got to put the number in there for us to add it. I just did. 24,000. We're adding 20,000 to it. So, it's going to bring it up to $38,43. What? Wait, hold on a second. Let's The total is 24,000. So, we need to add like 6,000. I think no, we did. We just did. Just change it to 24,000. Not saying what the increase is. We're saying what the total amount is. The total amount was budgeted at 8 thou $18,000. Now, it's going to be 24. Now, it's going to be 24. Okay. We don't have to account for that until we get to the bottom. I make a motion to change clothing allowance to 24,000. Second. All in favor? I Mary, where else?

Uh, I think everything else lands about where we need it to. Okay. We just uh I mean obviously snow removal is a is going to be a difficult but but we have it in there and and and the nice thing about that is if if we don't use it for snow removal, we'll use it for clean spring cleaning. So I'm good with that. What do we have for a bottom line number? Gary. Oh yeah, wait a minute. Is there anything in here that deals with the rental of the truck? Is that a line item in here for the holiday lights? Yeah, the 12,000 covers the bucket truck. Where does it where does it come out of? That comes out of uh Christmas lights public works Christmas lights.

So that's what that 12 is. And that's for bucket truck and materials. Uh the bucket truck itself was 914 a week. Uh from what I saw, I think we can we should be able No, no, no. Listen to her. You were estimating 12,000 a month. It's 94 12,000 a month. the year to put them up and take them down and then if we need it for trim tree trimming and all of that. I I'm of the opinion still that for the amount of time you use it 914 uh dollar a week is a lot cheaper. You know when you were plugging in $45,000 you're looking at a used truck.

But what did what did we to spend this year total on the bucket and renting it? I have it. Hold on. Is it 4,000? I used to four weeks to put them up and four weeks to take them down. We don't take them down. No, it was it was 9 9,000,000. So 9,000 total. Yep. 9274. Four years. Four years you get Now you own the truck. Hopefully you get 10. It's about 60 for a bucket truck in of like 2018 vintage same style we use. Yeah, it's about you're talking 60, not 45,000.

I believe we have a total now for this section. So, I'll make a motion to approve total for public works expenses in the amount of 2 million. Derek Derek, hold on. [laughter] I thought we were done discussing. I I think I I think so. When you rent this bucket truck, where does it come out of? It comes out of the That comes out of the Christmas lights. It's the the primary use for it. We have a bucket truck that we use for tree trimming and that depending on the tree. So depending on the tree that great big one never grows. So So the $12,000 I think we we have covered I think.

Yeah. And we can cut some out of that as well. Just as a as a side note, our bucket truck is the one that did the tree at Bur Hill. There was equipment rented for it that wasn't used. So that was 3,000 right there. 3,000 that we bucket truck prophesized bucket truck. We can sell the old one to offset some of the cost. We're probably not going to get a lot. Again, the bucket truck is not part of this expense. It's part of capital. I would say let's let's go to capital and then I'll make the argument there. I just wanted to see if it was coming out of a shared account. So, I wanted to just get an idea of exactly the amount of so our discussion is right on Q. It's what I wanted. I just wanted the information. All right. Councilman Charmy BRI. You're good with this, Mary? What's the number?

I'll make a motion. public works expenditures in the amount of $2,734,455. Second. All in favor? I. And we are going to have to make a light adjustment at the part. We have to go to the top. We're missing, you know, or a star or something. Hey, so building inspector, I'll make a motion we increase. Oh, where the hell is it? So, you you got a stipen included here. Yeah, that's but I don't have the number because on all the other ones it had the 4%. I don't Well, I think that that uh that 11% included the stipen and I think that's the offset. So

So that 89022 would be bringing him up to the like all the others. Okay. I'll make a motion we increase the building inspector wages and salaries non-union to $89,22. Second. All right. M in favor? I I Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Mr. Cabraw, you have anything you want to add to this? Just double check that. I think I think that number is too high.

Oh, I think that the stipen was put in and then they gave me the 3% raise. I I don't know if the four was added to this. That's I just double checking that. So you mean you want your 4% on top of this stipen so that the math works out. Did we right? Yeah. He's not sure if the the town manager if the department had request all the other ones were at the 4%. That's where we were digging the numbers. So did Mr. He's just got to check. Yeah. 6,000. It's the zoning stipen before. Um that I have to go back. It's not on It's in my computer. If you guys can can you just Yeah. Can you hold this off and then I'll just look up the

uh Well, that was budgeted. Well, oh yeah, that's budget. Yeah. Okay. 62. I'm good. Thank you. I'll take a water. Thank you. One right in front. Open it. Oh, geez. This one's not open. Thank you. I'm gonna miss the clerks. I'm gonna miss everybody. Who's doing the math on this? I am. John, you are in the bathroom. 6,462.

Is that including the 4% increase? No. Add that. Then do the 4%. Okay. Yeah, it does come on a little bit. Watch 89823 89 83. Now we can buy me that grinder. I'll make a motion in the amount of 89,823. Second. All in favor? I. All right. So total no. Yes. Building inspection is 220 385. I'll make a motion in the amount of 220 385. Second.

All in favor? All right. Moving right along. So I guess we're at the uh we did social services, right? You changed it to 24,000. I believe we skipped the plan. Oh, the plan page 15. Well, aren't we didn't we just increase? I don't I don't see why we would do the planner since we've just hired hired them. But you can't not if you're if you're giving employees a 4%, you're giving employees 4%. Well, we've given her 18%. And including her stipen, that's 18%. So,

I guess I'm just looking. Well, look, sure. Those numbers are deceiving because when you add the stipen to the salary, it posts an increase in percentage, but it's really not because she was already getting both. You follow what I'm saying? Pick a random number. Say the salary was 50 and the stipen was five. She was making 55, but on that line item, it only showed 50. So when we add the stipen to that line item and take it out on the other side, it's going to show 10% just for that stipen being added to that line item. Well, we already adjusted Terara's salary and and we've already adjusted the planner's salary. So, I I think that all I was saying was look at the page. Let's make sure that what you're saying is what we're doing because we need to approve the page.

Yep. Is my point. So, are there any adjustments to the planning planner? Very rare. There you go. So if we just hire So last year we paid 75623 for a planer. Yep. But what's 4% of that and then if we add 4% to that and then add the stipen what is that number there? I don't know. It should match what we have here. And it's as Mr. taken out of 18%.

I'm not that came out of I'm not sure which page that Oh, the 17% right. Oh, there it is. Right. Because is that what you're saying? The 17% shows the addition the add adding of the What was the Yeah, I believe it adds the stipen and then the increase that was negotiated when she was first hired. I mean, she's only been on the job for a month. The last planner we hired right before budget time and administrative was officer was I'm just making sure that the numbers are right.

Last last year it was budgeted the stipen for her was budgeted at 13,184. It's on page 16. 16 13 for

so I mean I mean if we just hire this person and you have a did you sign a contract? Uh Brian, what is your thoughts on this? I mean I'm I'm not talking about giving her an increase. I'm trying to make sure that the stipen stipens that she has has been rolled in properly and if this number is correct, we move on it and and move on. I'm not necessarily advocating for additional. I'm just wanting to make sure Yeah. page 16 that the notes we took last it was part of it now part

of plan right here. administrative officer. Yep. Okay. So, so my concern is it that it's not on here anymore, right? Okay. All right. Wait a second everybody. Mr. Cabraw is over here talking to Gary. We can't have side discussions unless we're going to deal with this. So, Mr. Gabraw, is there an issue with the lineup? There is.

Okay. So, that's you can't do it over there. We're we're talking and moving on. We we're thinking he's he's working on what we're having. Um, you can do it though because we're not done with you yet evidently. So, Mr. Cabraw, please come to the microphone. So, stop the planning discussion and go back to the building official. I believe there was an error again with that calculation. So, that's what I was discussing with the finance director. So, he's just running the numbers um before you guys go ahead. It's very appropriate. Thank you. I take last year's salary 815 multiply that by the 4%.

Well, we are you adding are you adding the the add the stipens? You add the stipens. So you So prior to the 4% you add the stipens and then 4% of that. Okay. That's what's the stipen? How much? 6462. 6462. I'll take that. I didn't I wasn't adding the 4%. Yeah. I don't So that's 86617. Did we? Yes. You added 4%. Did we add 4% to all the other stipens? Yeah. I don't think we did. Well, technically we we add we bring the stipen and the salary together. Then we give a 4% increase of that number. That's what I thought we would.

I think I have that number, Mr. President. Good. So, if I'm doing my mathematics correctly, the combined salary from the previous year was 86,617 and the 4% increase on that number would be $90,8168. I presume we're just going to do 90,82 because it rounds up. Yes. Okay. So, I'll make a motion for the uh building inspector wages and salaries non-un amount of $90,82. Is there a second? Did I do the math right on that, my friend? Matt, is that right? Yes, that's correct. Okay. All in favor? Thank you.

So, the bottom line has now been adjusted to Yeah. Thank you, Matthew. Mr. Cavar, I believe it's 22644. Is that correct? No, it would be higher because it was 223

226. No, no, 220 and then 644 is what it's showing. Okay. Want that in the form of a motion? Well, wait. What's the math at the bottom of the page now that it's been changed? 2266 on top. 22644. Okay. 22644. Is that your motion, Mr. Charlie? Yes, that's my motion. Second. Can I Wait, Carrie has a question. I have that page totaling 223085. So, how did it go down if it just if we just increased the the number of the wage? I may have had the wrong number. Did you make a mistake in the original? Never made a mistake.

Oh, no. No. I just I went back to the old number to see what it was. Yeah. No, it wasn't. So 226.4 is what I have. Yeah. If it was we just increased 9082.

So we just added $259. Is that what we added? If we got to go, it would seem so. 22385 plus 259 223 344. Is that what we're saying? I mean, I'm not sure what I could almost Well, 3,000 Did you have the bottom line written down previously? I did not because I've been writing the

track new bottom line at the bottom on each page. I may have had the wrong Gary. Is that in a spreadsheet? Can you like make sure that you're So that's correct. But you have all of those. Just check this off. All right. So Carrie, you have an error. But if it was 22291 and it went up to 223, how could it go down to 220 now? I don't believe it did. I see. I know. I know what she's saying now. It's two. I had the 218693. So that new number went up.

All right, we have to Let's get a handle on this. So, we added the stipen to the salary. Correct. That was already done. Well, I'm not sure if it's the marshall. We have to make sure that we just we didn't add the 4%. Okay. Now, you're adding 4% to that that number, right? And that number you came up with is larger than what we started with, correct? Yeah. 9083. Okay. So original number was 8 8 082 or 83. It's 082. Just looks like a three from Fargo.

Okay. So there we we found it. All right. So Mr. Marshall's number stands and we need a motion to accept that bottom line of what's the number, Mr. Marshall? 220 $220,644. Correct. And is there a second? Second. All in favor? I. And that shows the increase that Mr. Cabell brought forward. Great. Now we can move on to the planning page. If there are no changes, that's fine. We just need to approve it. Notice it's 20,000. So,

I believe the correct number for the total expenses currently, which is what I'd like to see passed, is $136,146. I'll make a motion to that effect. What was the page? Page 15. Page 15. Okay. What did what did we because we were still working on the wages and salary about the st moving the stipen which we did and we were wondering if that included a 4% which I believe the original proposal did of the 89097. So which number are we carrying forward on that line item? The 136 n just the salary

the salary uh the um 88206 is what we left it out. Okay. Right. Yeah. 88206. Okay. So, so that Yeah. So, that bottom number stays the same. Correct. Correct. All right. I will second Mr. Chromley's motion. All in favor? Okay. Now, we're going to what page? What do you Where do you want to go? Social services. So, yeah. So, we voted on the social services. Yeah. Unless we make changes. We already approved this page. No, we didn't. We didn't uh we didn't go over the boards and commissions.

We didn't go over the boards and commissions and the and the grants. Oh, I thought that was all social services. Yep. Okay. Um so Mr. Rego wants to make some changes. Yeah. So under the um Memorial Day, I think it was uh I think Brian just left that out. I want to plug in $3,000 for the Memorial Day. It's not in yet. Yeah, I think that was an oversight on at the bottom. No, that was the department requested it. It wasn't put forward in the manager's budget. Yeah. All right. So, we got to have Memorial Day. That's 3,000. Is that a slip, Mr. Sullivan? Did you intentionally not want to do that or was that a mistake? I I just wanted to have a discussion with the council.

Okay. I'll make a motion we add $3,000 for Memorial Day. Correct. All in favor? I under the Warren Armory. I guess I seconded that with a correct uh the Warren Armory. Uh they're requesting $3,000. I make a motion plug in $3,000. Now, so I I just want to say this about the armory. Um we have five people dedicated to preserve that property. It is a town piece of property. So the $3,000 is to offset some of the costs with the uh utilities. I think it's small uh price to pay to maintain a town piece of property. It is. It's less than last year. So I last year I wish them luck. Uh so you made a motion.

Yes. I'll second. All in favor? All right. And uh we have Open Main. Open Maine is here and we want to fund them out of the uh out of the special revenue. I didn't see the Is it same? Is it same thing? 10,000. Oh, that's what uh they're I think it's back in here. No, last year. We don't know what Miss uh Lisa is asking. May I approach? Yes, you're approaching.

Uh first of all, thank you for your um generous grant last year. We were able to provide meals all summer long during our markets for the most food insecure families in Warren. So, I want to thank you on behalf of those families. Uh budgeting is a thankless task. You could only ever hope to make everyone equally unhappy. So, thank you for your leadership in that regard uh tonight. And um we would like to ask for renewal of those funds for this season. Um Hope and Maine continues to bring um well continues to pay about $16,000 in taxes every year. We've paid uh almost a quarter of a million dollars of taxes as a 501c3 in the last 12 years since we since we began. And every year we launch about 50 businesses. Um I think I told you last time that 14% of all the businesses uh food processing businesses in Rhode Island are here in Warren and that's more than than even Providence. though based on the economic contribution of hope and maine and the fact that we would like to have our market again this season and we've lost all of our federal funding for it. We'd like to direct those funds to supporting that event that happens every week all summer. It brings about 3,000 people to the town. Um this year we're going to do it on Friday nights which will be great. It will bring lots of folks here. Let me just say this because I don't want you to say too much, but

um you provide food to the senior center. You provide food to different areas in town. That's what we had been doing until we lost our federal funding for the That's something you no longer do. That is not something we're able to do at the level we were doing before. And the reason I bring this up is because we we funded that $10,000 was out of our special revenue funds for social services. Did we do that or did we use offer money? No, we did it from right Joe. It was actually your idea last year. So, and and so when we're utilizing those funds, I think they they're specific to certain things like helping the poor people hungry.

And that's why the income, right? That's who's receiving specifically what is this grant going to be? Let me finish. So again, don't know. If you're asking for the grant be utilized for those type of things where you're helping the needy, feeding, I think we're okay. Tony, help me out on this. But I think that if it's for other things then No, it it's specifically for the low to moderate income. Well, it's right. It's for the low to moderate income businesses that were supporting this year. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's See, that's where we Yeah. No, it's it is you're right. It is a different use.

Yeah. And and again, you understand. So, we have the funds and they're specific for certain things. So, it's not if you shift your funding in your budget, we can help you with the food. Yeah. Yeah. And then you can make your adjustments on your part. Yeah. Um, you say you're not doing that anymore because you lost your it's very generous of the town to have done that, but without the the bigger program, I don't think that's something that is is worth doing, you know, and because it wouldn't be enough, you know, unless you can meet like full need. Why don't you finish? is you didn't even tell us what it is that you're

I'm proposing is supporting um the market that we run all summer the the makers market that we run because we have lost our federal funding for that market and the economic uh benefit that it brings not only to the businesses that are all businesses in that are incorporated in Warren but also for the community um the economic development of the community. So, it's economic mobility of the individuals who run those businesses and that's why they're at open mine. But it's also the economic mob uh what's the number you're looking at? The renewal of the grant. What grant that we received last year?

That's samples and oranges. We we gave you a grant for food out of a line item that is supplied because it's for because that's what it's for, right? And that's why when you were saying that I was so it's it's it can't be we can't use that line item in the not the same line item. Yes. This is coming out of the market. Yes. Yes. Specifically for like last year. Yeah. So fortunately you So is that one where the other um what's this? What is just for my edification? What's the source of the other funding? Is it also the Martin fund? What other funding for like the armory or no memorial day?

No. So those are grants and contributions. Those come out of the the town the town right general fund. But understand the armory is a town owned piece of property. If those people decide, hey, we no longer want to be doing this, they give us the key, we're going to pay a lot more than $3,000 to maintaining all of that. And then and then just hold on. And then the Memorial Day is something that we've had for over 100 years. I don't think she's I don't think she's She was asking. No, I'm not I'm not she's asking just clarification. Where are those funds going? I didn't understand. You're not making a comparative analysis. No, I'm not. I'm I'm We don't have to defend ourselves. Yeah, she's we answer the questions that Miss Rail is bringing forward. So, yes, that that's what So, when you look at the inclusion of the library,

right, and what we're able to fund, it comes out to about 380 $385,000. But there So, some of that's from different pots of money is what you're saying. No, it's one pot. what we were getting well a little there's a tiny change okay I mean there's a tiny bit of uh like the the food we have access to a trust fund that was established uh 150 years ago for the help of the needy right that's where we were able to get service some social service funds and we were able to pull out the money for the food right

now [clears throat] when you look at everything else on there we take that out of the general fund so that's a budgeted item. Now, that's not to say that the council couldn't vote to support what you're asking. Uh, I wouldn't really look at it that way. Okay. Okay. So, uh, Mr. Trombley, as well, I was just going to say, uh, was Miss Rayola finished with her presentation?

By all means. So, um I was going to say I I didn't know that that program wasn't going to be continuing, but I do also think it's important to support our small businesses and and to have this market which brings so many people down and and generates economic development revenue. Um I would make a motion for $5,000 for for that. I mean, it's it's not as much as they're asking for, but if we're giving 3,000 for the armory and 3,000 for Memorial Day, we can surely find 5,000 to give to our small businesses to help them, you know, have this program. You know what I hate? It's much easier to say yes than no, but I think there's a big big difference uh from a parade that's been there 100 years in a building that we own and and you've done great and I was ready to give the $10,000 because you've done more than enough. The problem is how do we how do we say how do we [clears throat] you're a business? How do we how do we stop from giving every business in downtown Warren helping them out?

We we're we're a nonprofit. We're not we're not a for-profit. So, we're a nonprofit that that also brings significant not only pays taxes but brings significant economic development. So, we're bringing people and funds and businesses to Warren. Um and we want to continue to do that. I I don't know how much we'll be able to continue to do. losing our federal, we lost our USDA funding for the markets that we do. So, we've been doing the markets for 12 years, bringing thousands of people to the town because of the businesses that we support. We're not a for-profit. We the money goes to actually, you know, having a market because we we discount that to the businesses that are there so that they can afford to, you know, be part of the market. It's the only market that Warren has. It doesn't, you know, doesn't have another farmers market. So,

just a question. That's I just want to clarify. We're not a for-profit. Just a question. How many I know it's every Friday for a series of Fridays, but how many in total? Um, it would it would be June through August, however many that is. And are you still doing the the buy one get one meals? No, because we again that's the funding that we lost. That was that was what we were doing at the market. We were doing the meals at the market when we had we raised about $800,000 to do that for Warren over the course of about five and a half years. Yeah.

What [clears throat] what specifically would this money be used for? Would it be to supplement the the people selling at the market? Would it be for security? What would

It would be It would be used for the PE the P person who manages the market. It cost us about maybe $100,000 a season to to host this market, pay people to organize it, to staff it, to, you know, basically set up every week a market and and maintain it. Um, we offer the the SNAP benefits at the market and the EBT benefits. So, in that way, we definitely benefit our our lowincome um neighbors. uh were able to offer double their SNAP dollars at our market. As I said, there is no other market in Warren. There is, you know, no one else is doing what we're doing. And we've been able to do it for many years, partly because we've had federal funding like many nonprofits. You know, we we lost that funding, right?

So, Mr. Where is the uh where where's the where's the page with the uh granting contribution? Yeah. No, the the uh my brain. Oh, special revenue fund. Where is it? It might be on here. I think Gary is there anything in there with economic development that we be connected to? You know that where is it? Do I have one? Yeah, it came today. Yeah. Should be top page here. May I? Yes. The business. Yes. In those f Where is money? There's startups. There's about 63 businesses that we support over the course of the

of the season. How many based? All 63. Yeah. All these are all Warren businesses. So they're all, you know, there are 150 businesses that operate out of Hope and Maine and and 63 of them actually participate in the market. If if we if we could somehow tie our special revenue funds, if there's something that that would apply, that would be great. But I mean, I could suggest that, you know, we are supporting the SNAP recipients. Um, you know, they're able to purchase food at the market using their benefits and we are able to offer you have to be providing like you did last year,

the meals clear well a clear cut. this is a service to the low to moderate income and that food fell in without right anyone else applying. See the problem is if I can sit at that so to speak same table yeah and I'm not a low to moderate income it can't go there. Yes. So it has to be in a uh very well but Mr. President, if I'm correct, if we just appropriate it without h tying it back to sort of the the Martin trust, then then we don't have to have correct. We're trying to figure out way to get the money.

Yeah. I I I think that again I you know, we're going to send this to the U budget committee and see how we can utilize these funds. Uh but I don't think we want to open the door to because at one point time we've had a bunch of grants and contributions. You know what I'm Well, we still have a request from Amago that's not even on here. We have requests from Art Knight, not even on here. I mean, there are other uh grant recipients of the past that have we haven't been brought back to uh where we used to be. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not saying I agree, Mr. in regards to having other people take a look at these and seeing if there's a fund in here that could possibly help with an economic development. The best thing would be for you to meet also with our planner. Yes. And that would be okay. Unfortunately, uh, this year may not be good for you, but she would be able to plug you in to, uh, whatever is out there, uh, in a in a bigger access point funding state of Rhode Island versus just coming out of our budget. Yeah. I think she'd be a real good resource for

or maybe even federal uh, even though some federal things have been cut. Yeah. she'll be the way to look at grants that would help you. I mean, we could do this, but it it's coming right out of our fund. And and I'm not saying what I meant by we have the capability. We have a lot of things we would like to spend money on and I'm not sure this right now this year is what the council wants to spend the money on. Mr. Trombly made a motion. I believe I did. And there was no second. Uh, is there any further discussion that we want to do? Actually, I'll second it. Oh, you you are gonna say All right. Yeah.

Well, you didn't at the time. Sorry. I I we went into discussion before. Okay. So, there's a motion in second. What was that? For how much,000? 5,000. I think everything every little penny helps. I know that they've lost a tremendous amount of funding from the feds this year. They're trying to claw on with what a skeleton crew, so to speak. and and these are mostly local businesses with who the owners of which live in town. They pay, you know, taxes and they they uh they participate in our in our community in many ways. So, I uh I would urge my colleagues to appropriate 5,000 for for these uh what are we calling it? Sorry, the fair. No, no, it's it's our market. Excuse me.

Our market that we do every these markets take place the whole summer. They're a great event to go to and uh they bring together a lot of the community and uh they I do know that um the library and I think the heads do have a table there that helps connect folks with with services if they need it. So I think it's an invaluable resource to our community and I urge you to your support on this. Okay. There's a motion in a second for $5,000. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. I would just encourage to possibly see if we can get it out of one of those shared services accounts. Yeah. Well, absolutely. We're going to we're going to have the we're going to have them, but if not, it'll come out of the general. Correct.

Well, if not, it'll be budgeted in the grants and contributions. You receive $5,000. Thank you very much. I I'm voting nay, but it's not a reflection on you. I was ready to give you the $10,000. It's more of we can't open that door to one after another or another. So, but it's not a reflection on you and I'm going to do everything in my power work with the budget committee to try to find funds for you. I said this is this is a very tough task that you take on to do this. So, you run away and let me say this and let me say this. It's easier to say yes than it is no. Realize it. I thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Next, we have what? We just need the total though. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Um I have to go boards.

Okay. So we will start with Mr. Rego. Are you going to take over again or or Well, there there nothing's changed. Nothing's changed. I'm not questioning anything on here. So whatever we changed, we just we added We just added I think we just added what was it? We added three and five. We get the six. We added um six and then another so we added $11,000. Mr. President, I think just out of abundance of caution, I recused myself on consideration for the grants for the George Hill Library. So, could we vote on that separately? Yes. Thank you.

Um actually, we're going to just do it right now. We have to bust out the numbers. Wait a sec everybody. Library $36,19. Is there a motion to accept? Motion. Yeah. To approve. Second. All in favor. Okay. Mr. Charlie, come back. Um, now go ahead. What was the 11,000? Whatever you guys are. So, we have to add 11,000. Are we adding that? See, now I'm a little messed up over here because we only got 465 there. What is the What are we approving for total uh expenses and budget for this page, Gary? I come up $396,547.

That's what I got as well. I'll make a motion to Wait, you let Gary We added some stuff last last week. So, so all the boards and commissions are staying the same as Brian's recommendations. I I didn't add I didn't add except for what last week. We made changes, right? We have to take 24,000. I think we already did that. No, we didn't do it from the total. We didn't do it from the total. So, what do you have for the total, Gary? 393 547 So minus minus 3,000 my minus wait let because of the board we moved it. Okay

for my but let him he's doing math. Let him do what he's doing. So I I got 3 398769. How's that? So Gary, you added the social service director 24,000. Yeah, that's up in the top call column over there. That's been corrected. Yep. Okay. So, hands, Rob. What's the number again? 398547 769. 398 769. Well, that's how is that? Yeah, that's different than the number.

Did you guys take into account what we added? We raised a salary last week for the uh service. It's on here. It's the numbers are reflected on here. Yeah, those were right. But as it comes down in the column, it's not reflected in in my column. I only got 465. It's not reflected as a total in that column. I I I see what you're saying. Thank you. That 385 number you have there does not include the 6,000 or 5,000 and change to the salary. All right. So, what's the number? I believe it's 398,000. And scroll down a little. 769. 760. I'll make a motion. Second. All in favor? I Gary, is that the number? Yes.

Okay. So, senior center page 17. You know, MCAP's never even come back. I think they know. We just don't have the money for it. I know. In the same sense, they never even asked. Motion to uh increase the S senior center director to 63,648. Second. All in favor? I. And Gary, what's the new number? Well, 37,948. Yeah. Second. Catching on. All right. All in favor? I.

So, going to do the total for that page, please. I think we just did we just did page 17 just Okay. So the last page um waitan what's your question? Yeah. [laughter] Did I Oh, I'm sorry. That happens. I'll make a motion to change that number to 72948. Second. I thought that's what you said. All in favor? Thank you, Jenny.

Was Maya. Thank god Maya's here. Um, now what? Peach, we're now we're going to say sewer department. Y anything there? So, all right. We didn't do this last uh last week, right? No, the Sue of the Pom. So, um one of the challenges with the Sue of the Pomman is the numbers we've had in previous years. I don't know how good they are. Gary, help me out on this. Or Brian.

Well, the bottom line numbers at the end of the year are accurate. So, if we could just go through it. Um, on the, uh, wastewater management district expense, we're only at 36%. We plugged in 130. Is there a reason why we're at 36%, Ryan, that you would know of? Um, so that I believe that has to do with uh, inspections and pumpouts that we do. And uh from what I uh my conversation with my my administrative assistant is that that will increase towards the spring and summer. Okay. Yeah. As people

past years we've been at right at 130. So I'm okay with that. Um plant that's a contract that's Yeah. Yeah. So the other one is plant um we have it's what does ops stand for? Plant operations.

Operations. operations. Yeah. The other one says plant operator contract. So we've we've used 97%. We had budgets 3795. We're at 368. We're at 97%. We went to 419. If I average that uh 97% I come up with 552,000. We're only at 419. Um, Brian, was there a reason why you were only at 419? Is something going to change? If I'm looking back at the last two fiscals and it's like a roller coaster. It is.

One year was 466 and one was 248. Does that have to is that is sludge disposal or is that a No, that's a separate line. No, I think it's energy. But yeah, I believe that they didn't take out electricity and separate that during those times or some something was not separated that was later separated. I see at the $178,000. Is that it? Where are you seeing that? So, right under it, you look it's been reallocated.

Perfect. Those are going to be new new accounts going forward. So all those in red were in that account. U but I did go to break them out. Fortunately they're only broken out to December. So those percentages off but um and then I took out the budget to cover them as well. So the ones in red came out of which line item? The sewer plant operations. All right. So that's going to drop that way down. Yeah, I see that. Yeah. Well, I think he already took that into consideration. Yeah, the the budget numbers for those line items came out of that budget.

I'll make a motion. I I think 450 is a little bit too high. I think I' I'd prefer increasing it to 425,000 gives an extra four and a half or five a half thousand just in case. What line are you looking at? Operations. Sorry. Sewer sewer plant operations. bought. So 419 500 to 401 25 was my thinking. It's kind of halfway between ours and yours or Yeah, I got to be honest with you. Um if if you're good with that 11% I don't think that that extra 5,000 is going to make a big difference. I would just leave it. All right, I'll withdraw my motion. Okay.

Is there anything on here that we should uh I guess I have a question on the capital improvements? You had the 432,000. Um, we're looking at $570,000. [clears throat] Do we need to plug in the difference in there or or can we just How do we handle that? Why is it on two line items? Why is it here? And also I I think what I think what Gary did is he tried to fill in the to get that number to 2000 the 2,457,000. Is that right, Gary? Yeah. So that's above so that your revenue is hundreds of thousands.

Yeah. Uh, but when I'm looking at our total capital for the sewer department, we're going to probably use 570,000. Um, he's plugged in 432. So, we're going to need 138,000. And I'm I'm thinking that this year we're probably going to be over on what we had budgeted for revenue, about 225,000. So, it'll cover it. I I just don't know if we need to plug in that third thing that we want for capital. How we do it?

Hold there. So, Mr. Sisto, this is where this gets dicey for me because we're talking about increasing costs of a sewer plant. But yet, we don't have a restricted revenue account with what's coming in. And we want to make sure that I want to possibly change something. Lewis. Oh, no. Go ahead. You and I have spoken about the restricted revenue account for the sewer usage fees because right now, if we were to make any changes, increases on this page, we're increasing the taxes to the town of Warren.

Not not in this case. SU's fees are not going to change. No, no. I'm saying if we were to like if we say we want to change the sewer wastewater management, it won't change our taxes. It'll it won't [clears throat] change because sewer department is sewer usage fee. Everything else is is but this is included in our budget. Correct. But no no it's not. It's not. It's a separate ent separate entity. Okay. So their revenue. So Mr. Nisto and I didn't have that. We didn't. Oh, no. I gota ask a question. You consider this to be a sewer utility fund. Yes,

you do. Any Well, they call an enterprise. Okay. So, it's an enterprise fund. I stand correct. So, it is separate from our from our taxed budget. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. Use Yeah. Well, that's what I was my thought process when we were talking was making sure that when we started with the sewer usage fee and we started down this road that we separated all of this because I didn't want to be like contributing towards a tax rate to this page and then getting in the the usage fee through the revenue line and going into the general fund and we were just wondering if things were were being paid off properly. So now it answers our question. Correct.

Okay. Because right now when right now when you you you look at the sewer and you know uh where we're at, we're ahead of the game. Probably about $415,000. And when you look at our cash balance sheet, 200 uh 215 belongs to the two department. But it's all together. That's what I'm making. We're working on breaking that up. Correct. Because I that was my biggest point is that these have to be separated so that we know what we have not the suation fee going into the general fund and then wondering all right is it there's make it feel we're charging enough

right and is it enough and isn't it enough and it's a whole so I was thinking of and if it's already been done that's fine it's a separate the sewer usage fee goes into a restricted revenue account but that's not how it does the sewer usage fee goes into the general fund. So we already approved it does but he breaks it up into this fund. So we already So you make something thousand for the sewer. So which is a restricted revenue that it's coming out. It only goes to this. Okay. All my questions are answered. Go right ahead. My question to you is when we're looking at capital of town that should be different than the capital put. Yes, I agree

because the capital is coming out of this enterprise fund. Correct. Yeah, you're correct. So, see how he has it in there and he did just to try to fill in, you know, what we're getting from revenue to uh uh to expenses. So, should that number be plugged in somewhere else, the capital, or is it okay to be under operations? You're including sewer capital in operations or is that in a capital? No, it's in operations. It's in operations, but he's calling it capital. Okay. Yeah. Well, you can fund capital even regular fund. You can fund capital. Now, this was for the roof. These were the things we discussed last week.

Yeah. So, before you discuss that, so here's the issue. He plugged in 432,000, but we're going to have a fund balance. We should have an access of about 200 and change in that account, but he doesn't have that extra money that we're going to spend on on a different item. Does he have to plug it in or he can leave it the way it is and we still spend the money? I lost you, didn't I? No, you didn't. In other words, uh you're saying that if if there are anticipated uh

additional revenue, we we're anticipating an additional $200,000 that will cover the capital, but we can't plug in the capital because it's not going to uh match our revenue. Typically, your revenue matches your expenditures. So that 432 $432,000 that keeps you at the current sewer rate. So if you wanted to increase that line, you have to increase the fee, which we don't want to do it, but we still want to make those capital improvements. Yeah. that additional

if you have if we do have extra excess in that fund you could utilize that just like you utilize your capital but do we need approval to do that I guess that's my question did I lose you Tony no you didn't didn't lose me and it's a good question you anticipate uh getting additional revenue that should cover that capital but if you put the capital in the budget those items you're going to have to change so use fee Right? You can't do that. The question is is whether or not if these anticipated revenues come in, can you use that extra money on some capital project, right? The answer is yes. If it's on on an emergency basis,

I I would think the roof would be an emergency basis, Brian. Okay, good. So, I think we're covered. Yeah. All right. So, we're going to leave that number the way we did make a change though, didn't we? or is that this bottom number correct? 2,457782. And I'm hopeful that our planner is going to help us right down the road. We didn't Yeah, we didn't we didn't make any changes. Okay, I'll make a make a motion that we approve the total budget for uh sewer at 2,457,82.

Second. I have I have discussion. Sorry. I know we've been discussing on the motion just so if I'm understanding it correctly just because we're putting that 432 638 does not mean that we have to fund it fully fund it in the budget or does it?

Yeah. So our intention is to fund it. The issue is we have additional work to do. We have $570,000 worth of projects to do. But we'll have once this is done, we should have an additional 200 and something thousand that'll cover it. But we're not plugging it in here as an expense. But as long as we have the money and it's an emergency, we can do it. Okay. Did I lose you?

I'm just cuz what Mr. Disto had said was I'm sorry, Mr. Could you repeat what you said just a moment ago? If this roof project is put into the budget, then the revenues will have to be accounted for. It will change your sewer use fee. Okay. So, the sewer use fee is going up. No, if we if we if we put it in there, if you put it in, if you don't put it in and it remains the same and then additional funds come in as anticipated, we don't you don't know. But if they do and there's an emergency, then you can apply that those excess funds to that capital project. So like hypothetically, if the roof gets worse, right,

and starts leaking and there's an emergency at that time, can we access the the funds? Yes. Correct. Right now, we're trying to figure out if the roof's still stable. And if, in other words, if say we take in an extra $100,000 in fees, we can use that money for that emergency repair if there's an emergency. At this point of speculation. Yes. Correct. We're hoping to get some time out of the Mr. Rego gets up on the roof with his golf shoes on. I I think so. Sorry. Sorry. So, this is my question. So last year we budgeted 2,37,000 for for the whole of the sewer department and this year we're doing 2,457,000. So that does have to be accounted for on the sewer use fee. That's correct.

Yeah, it is. That's coming from the 432638. So if we keep it in, we are increasing the sewer use rate. And if we take it out, then we are not. Yeah. So because No, no. because you collected $400,000 more than we spent last year. So last year we were short. Remember we had past year because we came Well, Derek wasn't here. So yeah, he was well the previous I mean the previous

previous year we ran over 270,000 in utilities. So before the year ended, we had to go into the general fund and readjust. That's when in our wisdom we went, gee, wait a minute. The sewer usage fee is supposed to be covering the cost at the at the plant, right? I was there for all that. Yeah. So, so we and then we have Thank you. I think we're good. Okay. There was a motion in a second. All in favor? Thank you. Maybe we'll get to the legal department. So, I think we're all set with oper. So, at this point, where do we stand, Gary? No, we have to. We haven't done the department of legal. You don't?

Yeah, we did. And in fact, you've already approved. Yeah, we already did. Yeah. Under shared services. And thank God you came. Joe was dying to grill you, Tony. I mean, [clears throat] for the reason he's here. I don't know. Thank god we don't pay by the services. Gary, where are we? I think what you do now is you approve the entire budget because you've gone through the entire Did we go through all of the capital last week? No, we have to redo it this week. And we have to we have to go back to that. Yeah.

And uh it's not why Mr. Dysto is here, but because he's here and because we had that discussion. Uh so all those things that we said we were going to fund but not do those all those things need to be uh removed. So Gary, can you give us a bot a new running tally on where we're at with the tax rate and all that 65212 which is uh 3.35 3.35% increase increase our cap. Very good. And that's that's well that's right because the capital items don't reflect on correct. Yeah. Capital.

So now let's go to capital. It's on the last page of your on page 19 of 19. So we start right off with road paving. We put in $100,000. If we plan on spending $100,000, we can keep that there. I think we should keep it for two reasons. one because we get uh 33% from uh of that in addition from the state. So that would really total 133,000. And then given our pro perspective uh economic and financial situations in future budgets, it I think it's wise to try to fix as many streets and potholes and such. And the winter was bad. The road

winter was bad. Yes. Okay. So then next we go to groundwater, which we have to do, right? Yes. So that brings us to 142,000. So is there a motion? Motion for 142,000 total transportation infrastructure. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Now the harbor masters radio. We we're going to try to use the secondhand one. Now we look at the wastewater. Now this on this where I'm a little confused is this. We have this here, but we have the 432 on the operating system. Right. So, I'm thinking that we're taking this out. I believe so. Yeah, because this number is le more than what we have on the other side.

All right. So, again, I know this is just an estimate that I've already explained it. He plugged in the 432. We're anticipating an additional $200,000. Okay. So, you're thinking that this will be we will cover this whole amount on the other side. Yes. But it doesn't even have to be here. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to remove Do we have to do them individually or can we just do it all at once? Just zero out the whole thing. You're out the whole thing. Remove the 570475. Is there a motion? I'll make a motion. Uh, is there a second? Second. Okay. So, that's to remove second my own motion. I'm sorry. Second. [laughter] He's an attorney. He can do it. I took it. I'm sorry. I took it. No, no, that's on me. It's pretty quick though. Okay. So, parenthesis. All in favor?

Next, we move down to parks and recreation. Now, uh, Miss Thibido was looking at the seaw wall and she got a, uh, good news for the bleachers. Or is that a matching fund? Miss Thibido, could you please come on down because I know you have some good news. And that's uh, Go right ahead. Tell us the good news. So, we received the $434,100 for the DEM recreational grant for the lights and for the U bleachers at Veterans Field. At Veterans Field. That's great. We just found out on Monday matching fund will be about 100,000. Yeah, the matching fund it's 25%.

Now, you do some fundraising. We did and I've also started to talk to organizations that use the facility and um possible inind and then Yeah. and in kind services and then some businesses as well. So we should keep this 40 plugged in. 40, huh? Well, 40. The 40 on the bleaches. That was for Bruce Hill. No, no, that's the Oh, you added something. I'm sorry. That was my bleaches. You added That's who you The only thing I asked for was the beach wall. The beachwell. So, we don't have um We don't have I did not ask for So, the good news that came in confused me. Thank I I'm going to make a motion to plug in the 32,500 for the beach wall.

Well, I have a and I went down there and looked at it and I think we should get a quote on looking at the retaining wall that Blount Seafood put in. Blown Seafood is who recommended the person who came down and did the quote. My concern is there's John, you should go down and take a look at it with me. So if you look to the right and to the left of that area

where the where the hole fell down, there's already uh buckling happening from internal rerout expansion. So I was thinking that we should uh even if we spent 100,000, not 32, put that uh put the cement face rip wrap in there and consolidate all of that wall before it gets destroyed. So, in other words, we'd be fronting it with the rip wrap and then put the cement on the top the way they do it because that one piece that's broken, you look to the right and the left. Oh, the water's getting it's getting in behind it and washing everything up.

Well, not just that. I'm saying that the wall like to the right that quote unquote isn't damaged. The rebar is buckling inside of it. It's all full of cracks. I think we should relook at it and uh take another maybe get a a quote if we can. I'm in favor of repairing the wall differently and it's going to probably cost more money. I think if we just put a cement plug in there, the rest of the problems on the side are just going to expose itself. The rest of the wall is going to do what this one did. And it's already in the process. Just how long it's going to last. That's what I mean. But it's going to be we're going to have this new cement plug 32,000 and then the right and left of it may fail next year two years.

This may actually be a good candidate for some grant money for you know for the high what do they call it? The level and all of that stuff. And I also looked at it if we have DPW just simply lift that block in and back fill it for now. It's I don't think it's any less back fill it. Well, you got to look at it. The the tide's going to take anything you put in front of it, the tide's going to take out. I know, but if the take a look at it with me, you could make a quick fix to it very easily. That's what I'm saying. And then and then I think the cost How long is it going to last? But I but I what I'm trying to really emphasize is I think we need to look at this as a little bigger picture of that wall.

Joe, I I agree 100% with you, but for now, I would rather plug in a 325, know it's there, and if we have to do something else, okay, we'll go with something else. Okay. But I'd still like to maybe try to get out and take a look, you know, pounding pounding that steel in and and really encasing those. It may not be it's all land. It's all land reach. You're not bringing in barges. You're not bringing anything. I mean, it may be something that it's going to be very close to what Mr. Quattrochi is going to do at the bottom of Washington. Make a motion to plug in 325 for the seaw wall. Second. All in favor? So Tara, I just wanted you to know that I went looked that

I've looked at it three times. I see. Well, I've seen it. I actually had a nice little glass of wine sitting on the bench right behind it. Yeah, I just looked at it and drink that, Chief. I I don't think it's He had an open fire. Drinking that wall. Oh, no. We could drink down there now. All right. So, the 40,000. You guys want I want to take it out. I don't I want to save the bleaches. It's an iconic part of town. It's as iconic as the library for me and people of my generation. I I am I am also uh uh but I will commit because you're not going to be here in about a month. Anyway, I will commit the [clears throat] surgery. I won't be a problem. I will commit to make sure that we fix those retaining wall. Correct. The landscape feature. You know,

it's not a bleacher. There's no field to watch. There's no stage that they aim at. So, it is not bleachers. It is a landscape feature. Okay. Gentlemen, can I agree? and meet me halfway. If you look at the design and the layout over there, pretty much the whole left, if you cut it in half and you look at the left side of it, it's not it's not good in regards to our access to the bike path, its proximity to the courts. I agree with you guys. Save half of it and then open up. What do you mean? It's perfect access to the bike.

It's not It's horrible. You come up. Well, there's a path. There was a path there that came from the bike path up and you had to go between the courts and the bleachers up around the go up around the back. John, I look at it with a different point of view. If half of that were gone, you'd have picnic tables, benches, and a nice flat access to the bike path. The connection is going to be so much better, and you can have your bleaches. Well, we already got a connection to the bike path at the end near on Hail Street. It's not lead. It's all water erosion. I've heard several people say the same thing. It's been there all these years, 100 years. I mean, it's it's an icon.

Yeah, it's an icon. It was given to us by someone that's given us hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions. And I think that we should probably look at the the Jay Barry uh for a grant, maybe Dandy Scott for for he doesn't have any money for a grant. They don't look Mr. uh Mr. M. And for grants, I think we should go.

You got So I agree with John and Lou. I I think I feel it's more of an asset. Um I know during the summer it is used extensively. I think that you should give the option to the planner to try to find some funds to fix it. Um, but I agree with with these two councilmen. I feel it's more of an asset um and not worth getting rid of. Yeah. So, how do we get around the legal aspect of the fact that the trust is saying, well, they they fixing it is part of what they're saying. fix it or take it down, but the cost to fix it is 250,000

as opposed to taking it down just building a brand new one. Yeah. I'm going to make a motion we remove the $40,000 for the bleacher removal. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? I just wanted to add discussion. Yeah. Okay. Can I just add discussion? Of course you can. I've gotten more feedback against taking getting rid of the bleachers since the last meeting than any other item on the budget since I've joined the committee. I think the public seems to be very much in favor of trying to find a way to keep them. So, I'm going to vote to reverse my decision at the last council meeting and uh take out this item for the bleachers. So, no. Great.

There you have it. I'm think I'm wondering if I want to make a motion to put $250,000 into Is it on the fiveyear plan? But Derek, you got you're just kicking the can on the road. They're deteriorating. The trust is labeled them. They tagged them. You got you got can't not do anything there because you there's a question of liability. I don't want to say too much because we're in a public place and somebody gets hurt over there. that were made at this meeting could be used against the town. Okay. I'm going to make 20,000 for the It's going to cost more than that to make it safe.

I'll make I'll make a motion uh for 50 up to $50,000 to make it safe until we come up with a full-time plan for repair or until we come up with another plan. I I I think that's a bit high. I I You think so? Yeah. I'll meet you halfway at 25. Well, we're going to do spend 40 to take it down. don't spend at least 40 to repair it. I don't think the problem with what I've learned, whatever you plug in here, it's what it ends up costing. I don't know if you guys have figured that out. Yes. And if you plug in 25, you can go up to 30 or 40. But if you plug in 50, it's going to be 50,000. It's not rocket science. How about 30? I'll go with the 25. Ah, 28. I'll go with the 25.

All right. 62. Miss, with all due respect, and and I [clears throat] encourage your discussion, but the bid for repair realistically is $250,000. That is to make it safe. It is not something that we're going to be able to patch. So, that is I just want to put that in the discussion. The bid for removal is 40,000. The bid for repair is 250,000. They from what I read in these bids, they can't be repaired for much less. Was it Did we only receive one bid? How many bids did we get? Yeah, I I don't I I don't believe that. Yeah, I I don't believe that. According to you, the information that you can just clarity go back out to bid. It's not a problem.

Mary, with all due respect, expert come down. With all due respect, I wasn't born yesterday. That's a lot of money to That's a lot of money. I am only I'm only reporting on the bids that you're doing. the repairs, they have to be removed all the rebar. I don't agree with that. I'm good with plugging in $25,000. We'll research it. We'll go after grant money. We'll ask the Mr. Martins. They're still around. If they'll contribute, we'll ask Kate Barry. We got our planner. Um, I just want to I just want to make sure that there's clarity on what it's going to take because it's not something that the DPW the area off till we make repairs. Does that cover us legally?

I'd have to ask the trust. Okay. So, we're looking into that at the same time. You guys should spend the money on removing them and then if you want to build a new feature there, do it. No. But for 40,000 to remove, they're never coming back. Correct. And they're going to you're going to have to take them down. Okay. All right. So, we agreed on 28, right? I I make a motion that we appropriate $28,000 for uh uh the repairs for for repairs to the bleachers to put them in a make put them in a safe safe condition.

I think that that is a folly. I think that you are throwing good money at bad. I think that the emotional attachment to those bleachers while charming and and really special for you people is not realistic or reasonable. I think you should go take a picture of it, have somebody paint a picture of it, hang it on your wall, and let's move forward with honoring the work that has been done to repatriate that place into an actual park with trees and and green space and access to the bike path without water erosion.

Something and something that is going to be resilient for years because that's just going to continue to take on water and deteriorate no matter what. and just move on and make it a beautiful space that people want to actually use rather than sitting on some rubble and and just you know and the planner just for for the you know just because you you have a fond memory. It's not just me. No, the planner [laughter] that's not the case probably about better than half of the town. Yeah. Okay. You guys are talking to the the vocal supporters that you talk to. Is there a motion in a second on the table?

Yeah. All in favor? I You're in favor of 28,000. Well, we have to as we have to put something there to do it. Okay. 250,000. What are we putting house? Uh no, you're putting a 300 foot concrete barrier to to 28,000, not 38.

Um All right. So, I think we should go out to bid. We'll have to put that on the agenda and we'll go back out to bid. Um, now what? The truck replacement. $40,000 for a bucket truck. What's the feeling on that? Again, 40,000. You're looking at a used bucket truck. We can rent them for $1,000 a week. I think $40,000 would be a lot. And again, you're not We We missed it. We have to vote on the total of the um capital. No, the park recreation 325 was it? That would be

Oh, the 28 also 60,5 make a motion to approve total capital for parks and record 60,000 500. All in favor? Nay. Nay. So, we got the public public works again. So, my thought is we vote on total capital. We're not yet. That's what we Yeah, we are. We still Yeah, we got to come back to that.

So, my thoughts on that truck again for $1,000 a week, it makes a lot more sense than paying $40,000 for a used truck. Um, again, if it was like you were saying 12,000 a month, I would might that might, but I I really don't think it would be a good uh way to spend money right now. I think we should all about 9,000 a year is what she said. 98 9,000 and change a year to rent it just for the Christmas lights. I don't know that I agree with that, but that's what she just told us a little while ago. Yeah. The figure for this fiscal year was about $9,000. 3,000 of that was for a piece of equipment that wasn't used. So the true total was about

See how numbers numbers an illusion. So 9,000 minus three was $6,000. Okay? So 6,000 that's bunch of years that that $40,000 would eat up. And again, don't keep it in mind. So you're buying a used truck about six and a half years. I told me you're buying a used truck that doesn't need any work. It's going to sit there and if the rental fee stays at $900 a week. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not saying down the road that we couldn't buy one, but at this point in time, I think that we should hold off on it. That's my opinion. Mr. Travel is trying to talk.

So, I think Miss Hunt said that 40,000 is not really the price range that it's really actually 60,000. So, you're talking about 10 years of the bucket truck rental versus buying it now. I think it's more smart to just continue with how we're doing. So, I I I don't see that I don't see this as a smart investment at this very moment. Make a motion to remove it. Make a motion. Well, I can't make the motion. Can I make a motion to remove it? You can make a motion council. So, so I made the motion to put it in. Yeah. So, let me ask you a question because this is a good point. If they if they make the motion to put it in, do they have to be the ones to take it out when you

or can anybody take it out? You just make another motion. Just make Okay, make a motion to take it out in a second. All in favor? I see. I asked that question because I didn't know the answer. So now I know. I'll make a motion we set the total public works uh to zero to $0, please. Second. Second. All in favor? I. So now we need bulletproof vest. Is there a motion to support the $16,000 police department? Second. All in favor? I. Is fire department or total? I make a motion for total police in the amount of 16,000. All right. Second. Is there a second? Second. All in favor?

I. Now, the fire department is looking for motors and an upgrade. So, this goes back to the question of do we want to go after grants for this or do we want to plug this in and commit that that money to this project? I don't think we have the money for it. So, I' I'd rather zero this out. I'll make a motion to zero it out. Keep it in the plan. Second. All in favor? I make a motion to set the total fire capital at one at 000. The motives out too. Yeah, we did. I think you took them both. You had Mr. Charlie was your motion for both? It was for both. Yeah. To zero out the entire line.

Chief, you have what? The secondhand ones running now. I'm sorry. The secondhand ones are running now. Yes. Like you have something in place? Yes. Yeah. Chief, keep in mind we do have it under the five-year plan and the whole goal is to try to chase money for these these things. So, it's not like we're we're discussed that last week with Bianca trying to find the communication money, right? There's a good chance of that. Better chance of that than there is on the boat motor, right? So, I have a question for the solicitor. Since we're talking about emergencies, let's say these engines blow up in the middle of the season, could we buy new ones as an emergency because they're our marine unit? You'd have to make an appropriation out of the the general fund. Yeah.

So, there you go, Chief. That's That was the question I had last week. Thank you. You're welcome. So, next uh we have a total. Somebody give us a total. So, I'll make a motion for total vehicle equipment replacement uh in the amount of 16,000. No. Is that not right? No, that's just for the that's just for the best. We need a total at the bottom of the page. Capital finance by reserves. Okay, I'll make a motion in the amount of 234500 then. Second. All in favor?

All right. What are we going to do next? So, what do we go from here? I think we wrapped everything. I think we did a great job. I've got the five-year plan, but I don't see that on the agenda. I don't know if we can act on that. We can put that at the council meeting. Uh I just can I include the five-year plan at the next council meeting, please. Who prepare? We don't what we talked

Yeah, we do have the fiveyear plan. I mean uh the so so I think we need to like come up with the final numbers. Yeah, we need a final number because it's going to be given to the to the times I think the fact that or our web that correctly identify. So we need a we need Gary is that frontage correct? Is million5212. Is there a motion to approve? Might I'll make a motion to approve that number. Second. All in favor? I. All right. Now, we need a motion tax rate for the T accept the tax rate

and that am I seeing that 3 set the tax rate of $12 at with an and that is an increase of 3.35%. Put that in a motion. One second. Yeah, the budget. What's the So the increase from last year, correct? The overall increase last year. Okay. All right. Yeah. With the dollar order because she can't hear anything. Meeting still going on. Relax. All right. So, I'll just make my motion for the tax rate of $12 and is it 20? $12.

Second. All in favor? I Okay. And what else? The the tax levy. We did the tax levy, right? No, we need Yeah. All right. So, we did Mr. That's that's what all we need to do, right? That's correct. Yes. Okay. We don't need to All in favor the tax increase percentage that 3.35. That's what we did by saying the 12%, right? The $122. I mean $12. So to adjourn for the public's knowledge and have voted these last two. Oh yeah. So all in favor I

to set the tax rate at $12 and2. That was the motion. That was the second. And the other motion we already voted the other motion we voted on. That's the we passed the preliminary budget which includes school funding by the way. Right. Correct. Correct. Thank you. You approved the whole bud. We approved the whole budget unless there are public unless there's we get the what is the the next step is if we get the petition right you as of as of now tonight we've approved the budget the tax rate is at $122 it represents a 3.35% increase from last year and we are moving on.

No, you can't say it from last year because it's totally different to 3.35. 3.35. Yeah, but not the dollar. Did you just say the dollar amount? Right now, this budget before it gets adjusted is $122 per thousand, which is a 3, which represents a 3.35% increase from last year. Is there a motion to adjurnn? Motion. Second. All in favor.