Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Great. Thank you. Uh, can we do a roll call, please? Britney,

Helen Hwitt, here. Jack BS here. Alex Wowski here. Butch Price here. Art Brook here. Tara Chandler here. Aaron Mixon here. Okay, we're going to move into approval of prior meeting minutes. We have two. Uh we have the special meeting on August 11th. Is there any notes or comments about that? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve as written. So move. Second. Uh roll call. Yeah.

Tara Chandler here. Just say yes. [laughter] Artbrook, yes. Butch Price, yes. Jack BS, yes. Alex Watowski, yes. Ellen Huitt, yes. And Aaron Mixon? Nope. I don't vote. Okay. And then, uh, the regular meeting minutes of August 25th. Are there any notes or concerns about that one? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve. Motion to accept as written. Second. Okay. All those in favor say I. All right.

All right. We're going to move on. Uh no old business tonight. So, we'll move into new business. Uh the first item is Mason's Corner. A variance request for lots two through four deeper than they are wide from Richard's Engineering. Richardson Engineering. Can you come up and explain to us a little bit about what you're wanting with that? Yes, ma'am. Tristan Phillips here representing Richardson Engineering. Our client today, um he bought a property on the corner of Whipple Willil and Brewer Street was an existing house there on the corner that he has completely gutted and remodeled the inside of. Um I believe he's kind of entered in some agreements for some for a young single lady to buy that uh house there, existing house, but with the rest of the property, he he does want to split a couple lots off of it. Um, this is zoned general residential. So the the all these lots meet those guidelines in the general residential. The only two it doesn't is the five foot setbacks or the six foot setback. So we're asking for the 5ft setbacks um to give a little bit more space in between the the north line of lot two and the the lift station for that house that the city set uh to redo all that sewer here recently. Um, and then the only other regulation is the variance we're asking for is the three times as deep as they are wide.

So, basically that's just given the the lots a little bit more backyard. Um, but they do meet the minimum 7,000 foot minimums of of uh of that zoning. So, and uh staff, are y'all y'all were okay with the variance requests? I remember in our meeting. Yes. Okay. All right. Any questions from the board? I do have a couple questions. Yes, sir. Can you turn your mic on, please? Mr. Brook, am I on? Yes. Okay. The lots the the 55 foot you said it meets our our current guidelines. Yeah. So, the minimum the minimum lot

the minimum is is 7,000 square feet. Yes, sir. The setback though, it needs to I think the setback should remain the same as what it supposed to be. Okay. Well, if you would if you would if y'all would like the setbacks to remain the six feet, then we'll go back and we'll add 2 feet to each of the lots, making them 50 57 feet wide and just take the six feet out of the out of the south line of lot one. That would meet the the minimum six feet. Okay. One of the other things I was looking at, they they're going to put three lots in there. They're they look like bowling alleys to me. So, and they they are

they are they are deep. It's just because the property's deep. Um and that's why we're asking for the variance for the three times as deep as they are wide. Now, if you don't want to grant the variance, then we could chop the lots off at 130 feet, which they would meet the minimum 7,000 square feet, and just give that back corner to lot one, and then we wouldn't need the variance. But we were asking for the variance to give those lots a deeper backyard. Well, of course, we we'll have to vote on that, but uh uh personally, I think that uh needs to come down to two lots. Now, I know that the builder is not going to be happy with that certainly, but uh it kind of takes away from that neighborhood to be honest.

Okay. But I mean, and the the house on the end down there is a that's a double wide, is it not? uh that's been converted. No, they it's been put on a permanent foundation and they can it's been completely redone. Still a modular home still. Yeah, a modular or double wide.

Okay. But it's been redone. But anyway, the uh I'm for the the 75 foot frontage. Okay. Personally, type thing because I think it does more for the neighborhood uh there. And there is a lot of property on both sides of the road there. from Whipperville that goes down and the future of that area. I think that would really take away from a 55 foot frontage slots. So, okay. But they they do meet the the the minimum requirements for that zoning. Well, the minimum requirement says 55, but uh it's a it's 7,000 ft. So, 55 by 130 would meet the the minimum 7,000 ft.

Okay. Well, I may have some wrong information because I was under the impression that 7,500 square f feet was a lot. Maybe 75. I thought it was 7,000, but they would they still meet the the minimum. I mean, they're 13,000 ft a piece. So, they still meet that minimum. Yes, they are. I saw they had the 13,000. Uh I'm sorry. I I just don't agree with that the way because it to me it appears that it does look like a bowling alley. I think it's going to take away from the neighborhood. Okay. And I'm not against them building there as far as that goes, but I think it needs to be dressed up a little bit.

Okay. Well, I mean, like I said, it it still meets the minimum the minimum regulation set aside in in the city zoning code for that area. So, I have a question. When did this all come be? I'm sorry, sir. I will I'll give you a chance to speak here in a minute. We're just going to discuss this one issue and then I'll give everyone a chance to speak. I promise. All right. Thank you. All right. Uh this is just for the variance request that the lots are two to four deeper than they are wide. Uh Gary, can you come up please? Yes ma'am. So with them drawn the way they are with with the variance in that would that still meets our code.

It does. It almost doubles our minimum square footage requirement for the lot. Um, to Mr. Brook's point, what what the staff's trying to avoid, the reason we approved this as it was written or as it was drawn is an alternative would be to make a pipe stem lot out of lot three, which means you could shorten the depth of lots two and four, put a house back here where that where that shed currently where the diagram of the shed currently sits and have a long driveway like we have on Spring Street. Those lots weren't deep enough to do anything else but what's there. and I regret it every time we drive by there, but there was nothing we could do about it. It was But I don't like pipe stem lots. That's that would avoid this um on these lots. These lots are plenty deep enough and have plenty enough square footage for the houses that they're proposing and they meet our they meet our our requirements. So, I mean, we didn't have any

uh reason not to approve the plans as they're as they're drawn with the exception of uh the 5 foot variance. Um the having the long slender lots actually keeps them from being able to have a pipe stem lot with a house in the backyard of the other two houses that they're going to build. Uh which would be accept. It'd be legal, but it would be less than desirable, I would think. But that was just But that was that was kind of our our rationale at staff level. And the staff level rationale for the 5 foot allowance was because that's the state. That's that is But we in Ward like to have six feet. We have a six foot, right? Um um side sideyard setback.

Uh used to be eight. When the state went to uh six, we went to six. [snorts] When the state went to five, we stayed at six. Now, it could go to five and still be legal by the state code, but it gives us uh the discretion to uh basically um um um promote like a non-combustible exterior wall like the planning commission has done before. We've got a couple of subdivisions where we've allowed the 5ft sideyard setbacks, but we require the walls to be non-combustible. That doesn't necessarily mean brick. It just means have a flame spread rating that classifies as non-combustible. Um and and it gives us that latitude to require that. Uh at some point the city will probably just do what the state code requires, but but that's five. So we can go five and have some discretion as to what we want the the exterior walls of the home to be.

Um or at some point we just go state standard and it just be five and we wouldn't have that discretion. So, the the variance on the on the twice as long as it is wide, to me, that's a that's a positive in this situation because it keeps us from having two houses up front and a house in the middle in the backyard of the two houses up front. Um, they've got plenty of room to to build three houses there by the by the code by the standard and and there's really there's really no latitude we have on that. They meet that they meet that standard. Um, so having those three longer lots just prohibits that stove pipe type lot which

most people are not a fan of. Okay. Any other questions or comments from the board? Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Um, I will entertain a motion to approve the variance as written. We don't want the barrier. We will have y'all We'll have y'all come up and speak when we're doing the preliminary plat before we do the preliminary plat. You are leaving us out of this. We're not, sir. I promise. You've already approved this. We have not approved us. Sir, we have not approved anything. We have not approved anything. We approve the variance and then we approve a preliminary plat. And then we

here you have already done all this. Hey, without No, sir. The variance is just for the lot sizes to be longer than they are wide. That is all that we're approving right now. We're not approving the drawing of this. We're not approving anything until after I hear y'all speak. Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you for your patience. Excuse me. Yes, sir. For those who don't know me, I'm Mayor Genol. I appreciate your your uh comments, but there's a time and place and we'll get to them in a minute. Okay. Go ahead. All right. Thank you.

Okay. Let's work on this variance and let's have a motion to approve to move forward with the variance. Has all of the board the employees they've approved every had [cough and clears throat] staff approval for the variance? I make a motion that we approve the variance. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Okay, let's do a roll call, please. Britney. Sure. Helen Hwitt, yes. Alex Wowski, yes. Jack BS,

yes. Butch Price, yes. Artbrook, no. Tara Chandler, yes. Okay, the variance has been approved as vote 4 to one. Uh we're going to move on to the preliminary plat which you can see before us. If anyone would like to speak, I'd like you to come up, address your name and your address and let us and then give us your your speak please.

Yes. My name is Thomas. I live at 100 Whipperwheel right next door to this. We had no idea this was going on. Sometimes we cannot get up here to do y'all's commission and stuff. We need to find out what it that houses are being built beside our houses without our knowledge. We don't want to live in a subdivision. We bought our land the way we bought our land with land beside us. So, we don't have to live in a subdivision. They don't understand that cuz they don't live there. We do. the traffic that it's going to create on our road. We do not have a turnaround on our road. Our road is dead end and it goes in two people's driveways. We don't want this on our road. Why not put it over here on Brewer behind it and make two lots back there? That's that's fine. But we cannot have this much traffic on our road. Our road is small. Our road is tore up.

We do not it again it is a dead end. We don't want to live in the subdivision. Why were you not notified that this stuff was going through? This this was your notification when they sent Didn't they send y'all letters? We had two people get the letters. Okay. Told everybody else. All right. So, the the engineering firm sent the letters. I'm sorry. I'm I'm

I understand your frustration and I am willing to hear you. Okay. So, understand that. What happens is when someone buys a plot of land, which they bought this plot of land with that house on the corner, it has all that extra land and they thought, "Okay, we'll divide it and we'll build three more houses." So, they can't do it off of Brewer because they have to do it with the land that they have. So, that they've bought this lot and that's what they've decided they want to do with it. And now it's your turn to tell us as neighbors how this would affect you. This is going to affect us tremendously. Okay. Three houses. Only three houses and that will still Do you see the size of them lots? Yes, sir. I do. I do. Okay.

That is a little over two acre lot and they're trying to put four four houses on that little bitty old thing. We have all of our neighbors are two plus three plus acres on our on our road. Okay. And that's not feasible for us. You like to maintain that appearance of the neighborhood. Yes. Okay. That is it's too much traffic. It it's Yes. Of course, they're going to be nice houses when it starts out. Mhm.

What about in 10 years when they sell these houses and they're going to be rent houses and my land is next door to it and I'm going to have the crime that comes with these? That's the thing I'm worried about. My grandson plays out here. We don't need the traffic on the road that the trouble you had from the Actually, he wasn't a renter. He was he he bought it and then let it foreclose. But yes, he burnt the he burnt the shed down

by cooking meth back there. We had all these problems and it's it's just going to create more problems for our small little road. It's just a small little road and that's going to be way way too much for us.

Will you please come up and speak? Thank you, sir. Thank you for your comment. Stephanie Owens 100 rip will as well. Um almost every day we're having issues with our septic and sewer. We were uh part of the houses of the 12 that were down that had our yards tore up, fence never fixed, tree never fixed, and I have this big I don't even know what it is in the back of my yard where they did another septic and this and that. Steadly problems, new toilets. It's just and there's even if you do call and speak to someone, it's it's it's nothing. It goes nowhere. So, we're just living. We're just trying to live and and have a peaceful community. I walk my grandson every day to wait for his grandpa to come down the road. And it's enough just to see the cars how they're flying on Brewer. Once they turn down our street, we have a wonderful community that has, you know, respect and, you know, does the speed limit. Um, I have several cars turn around in my driveway because we're the next one from the first house that is Uber or, you know, the delivery of the groceries and things like that and that's fine, you know, but I I've had to call a few times just for um children coming down on my road and I have cameras everywhere now with video and audio because they're opening my doors trying to get in thinking that we're not home and things like that. So, we have a good rapport with the police department. Very wonderful. They keep an eye on our road very well for us. Um, if we have any issues, they're there in a heartbeat. And that's my main concern as well, too. Um, is not just, you know, having the houses so close to us, but how tiny they're going to be together with each other as well too. And then the time that it's going to take for them to go downhill, whether they're sold or rented or modular homes or duplexes or whatever they decide to put there.

Okay. Um, well, it is R1, so it will be a single family home that's built on it. Um, it won't be duplexes, but I understand your concerns still. And I have a lot of trees around my house that I try to keep up for the neighbors that are beside them as well, too, going down. They enjoy the peacefulness of the fields and the pastures behind us. It's beautiful out there. And there is plenty of other land all around Ward if they want to go and build houses on top of each other. It's just our our road has been gorgeous. We got very lucky finding this a little over 10 years ago. And if this happens, I don't see myself staying in Mort at all. Um, all right. Thank you for your input. Anyone else would like to come up?

Hello. I'm Priscilla Lily Lashore. I live on 253 Whipperwill. I'm a little nervous. Never done this before. Hello. Um, so I am 23. I live with my mother and I'm going to get kicked out next year. Not really, but like she wants me to move out [laughter] and I want to move out. And as somebody who is currently looking at houses, not because I don't want to rent, that's just pushing her money down the drain. I'm constantly looking at houses that are up for sale that are being built. As somebody who is currently looking for somewhere to live, I would never buy something like this. I would never rent something like that. And that's one of my worries is that they're not going to be sold. They're not going to be rented out. And they're just going to sit there on that land for who knows how long until somebody comes along and buy them. Like, who wants to have to go through your whole house to get to your backyard? Who wants to open the window and see your neighbor cooking in their kitchen? Like, it's I would never ever even consider buying something like this. And I couldn't imagine anybody else who would.

That's all I have to say, but thank you very much. I appreciate it. Anyone else would like to speak?

I'm Christine Carson. I reside at 2011 Whipper. Uh me and my husband and a lot of the neighbors, as you can see, were totally against this and we've spent just countless hours trying to make sense of it. And there is no sense to be made. And the ones that has approved this, if someone was coming into your neighborhood to try to interrupt your lives, I believe each and every one of you would feel different. And these two right here on the front, they've been on Whipperwheel for 53 years. They've put all their money into their property along with everyone else and I have signatures that I went door to door over the weekend. Okay.

And all of us opposed this and I wish that you would read this because I got up first and someone went ahead of me and I do want that read out loud. Okay. And also

this one too. Okay. I hope each and everyone in this room really thinks about if someone was coming into your neighborhood to try to do this. I mean, you wouldn't want it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. [snorts]

I'm going to read the first letter. It says, "My husband and I have lived in our home on Whipperwill for over 53 years and raised our children, grandchildren, and now great great grandchildren here. We love it. We have great neighbors and respect each other. I can't believe these people think they can come in here and disrupt our lives for a profit. They are not thinking about our community but their own profit. Thank you, Betty and Bill Walters. Second letter says, "My husband and I have lived on this property for many years. When our daughter was in high school, all of her friends lived in subdivisions. So many years ago, we realized how lucky and blessed we were to have the privacy and quietness and the environment of a neighborhood with wonderful neighbors. Each and every one of us have chosen to put our hard-earned dollar into purchasing and paying for our property. My husband and I, along with the wonderful neighbors, hope and pray that the planning committee puts our feelings to heart and will not allow the plan construction to move forward in any sense. I've spent countless hours trying to see if there was any sense to make of this. I come up with the same resolution every time. There is not one. The only thing that this company is trying to do is to interrupt our lives on Whipperwill with one thing in mind to put another dollar in their wallet. If any of us would have wanted a subdivision, we would not have chosen Whipperwill. This is a neighborhood with no crime and by putting additional property on our street can only bring that forth. Please consider all of us when making a decision with respect for each and everyone on Whipperwheel. Thank you Christine and Eddie Carson. If you allow this, it will be one foot in the door for someone else to try and interrupt someone else's neighborhood. And then these are all the there are one, two, three, four, five pages with five signatures on each. So that's pretty much everyone in that area. So would the board have anything that they would like to say or add or ask of the Yes, sir. I'm sorry. I thought we're I apologize. Please come forward.

a little nervous, too. Uh, my name is Eddie Carson. I live at 2011. So, Art knows our neighborhood. We've got an established neighborhood out there. We've all lived out there for many, many years. Mhm. We bought in the city with land for the protection that this can't happen because if we lived out in the country, we would have no rules and regulations to stop this. So, that's why we bought where we're at. And most people that move to Whipperwheel, they stay there until they die.

And where he's wanting to put these houses, something I want to add is where the driveway enters the road at Whipper Will. We have a tremendous water problem there. Brian can probably attest to that.

So from Bett and Bill's at Travis's house, all the water runs down to right there. We've got a culbert under the road that runs to the east side. There's not enough to get the it runs over the road. So, every one of us have to drive through the water to leave our neighborhood. You put these houses in here, it's going to be even more water because you're going to have 100% runoff with gutters and everything else streaming there. It ain't going to be able to take it. Another thing is when people come and visit us, they can park in our yard. When people come and visit these people, they're going to be parking on the side of the road just like they do on Brewer. We can't pass on the on Ripper wheel. Art can attest to that. You have to pull over in the grass. Somebody goes by and then you go. So, these people are going to be blocking our road and we're going to have to go over in the ditch to get by. But it's going to be and how are they going to attach the driveways to the road because right now they got a it's a open ditch and it can't handle the water. So you put drive you put three driveways there, it's going to stop it even worse. So now it's going to back up all the way up the road and it's going to go over the road even more. So it's no good.

Okay. But we we bought out there because we like we wanted space and we didn't want a subdivision. And to let him on somebody's misfortune try to make as much money as he can and to change our neighborhood for his pocket that ain't right. Thank you for your input. Would anyone else like to come up and speak? Okay. [clears throat]

My name is John Buyers. I live at 350 at the end of the block if you can call it that. When you come to the end, you turn in my driveway and you're there. I tell people they come, they either know I live there or they're lost because there's no place else to go. Anyway, I've lived there now 30 about 35 years. And I lived in Sherwood before I moved out to Fonius area sort of up there. I had 10 acres out there. I wanted to get away from I wanted space. I got I lived in California and you know what that is? I could shake hands with my neighbors in the window across from the houses were so close. And that's one reason I moved where I did. I have people come to my house now and say, "How did you find this place?" You got so much space. Nobody's My closest neighbor is probably further than the end of the building. He's right over the fence, but he's we share the same driveway. And I've, like I say, I've raised my kids here, my grandkids, and I know Mr. Art and he knows me. And I just for all these, like I said, all these houses that are on that street have at least two acres, maybe a little more. As you go down the street, they have varian at me and my neighbor live at the end, we got 10 acres. And these people over here, right, this lady here, she just moved in. I think they've got about five or six acres at the end of theirs. But you go into the swamp and that's it at the end. We've got a swamp at the very, you know, the thing. And to see to have three more houses stacked in there right there. That one on the

corner is bad enough. It's ugly. It don't look like anything else on the block, you know. And he's remodeled it and he's doing it's looking better. But to have three more sitting beside that house, I'm like these people. I didn't move there to be in a subdivision. My daughter moved out from on Markham because she lived on Markham and they built they weren't going to build a home. They built all around her

and she had to move out. She had to, you know, and so that's I drive had to drive 60 miles to go visit my daughter because they weren't going to build those houses like Brewer. I say when they built Brewer Road that right there on Brewer and Mark between Markham and our house, they said when we left the meeting that night after that, they said, "Well, we don't have the water. We don't have the sewer facilities to handle that thing." But then the next thing I tell them, I turn around and they're building and you come in on Friday night, especially on Brewer, it looks like a used car lot. There's four, five cars parked on every lawn because they had to park online. They didn't build a a garage for them. I don't want my neighborhood to look that way.

Thank you, sir. [applause] Yes, sir. I know this is uh this is what what he was referring to earlier. Let me show y'all. This is the water that backs up in my yard. This is the creek that runs through my yard. what what they was referring to while ago about the drainage and stuff. I know I know my dog's playing. [laughter] That's uh when they tried to do that across the street, tried to build the apartments over there, they took the pond out. Mhm.

This is what's left on my road every time it rains. When when we have more than two, three inches, that's my yard every single time. And I don't complain about it because my dogs love it. So I I let them play in it. But this is what I have to deal with every time it rains very hard. And what he was saying where this is,

it's going to flood that every single time. And these people are not going to have a well established life with floods coming in their house every time it rains hard. And that that was a light rain. But this is what happens every time it rains at my house. And it's because they took the pond out across the road. Should I be back? That way we can hear you on the microphone.

This is what happens every time it rains at my house. What he was referring to that the the street floods right there is because the pond is taken out over there across the street because he tried to put apartments in over there. Every time we get that much rain. the other day. That's the way my yard looked when we got just that little bit of rain Saturday. My yard floods and it backs up because of all that right there and it has nowhere to go to. And yeah, I just I I just wanted when he mentioned that, I was I thought about it and I knew I had video of it to let y'all see that. But this is that's what they're going to deal with.

It's not going to be a light easy rain. It's going to be flooding every time they come in there. All right. Thank you, sir. How are y'all? I just want to speak again to kind of answer some of their concerns. Thank you. Um, so to speak about the water there there I understand that there could be some flooding in in the gentleman's yard that just spoke. Um, that the water that goes through his yard comes from a different property to the west uh behind his house. because I feel I understand that. I'm talking about talking about this is our creek out to try to help.

I understand they're very upset, but if you look at the topo map, the the water flows across their property from the west to the east. It doesn't come from the property in question on the corner. um to speak about the ditches when they when we when driveways are put across ditches, they're all coverts are always put in to make sure there's no adverse impacts as far as stopping up the flow of water. Um why has it been done in the past 10 years that I've been there? I'm speak I can't speak for the city. I'm sorry, but

I'm sorry, but we we just want to again insert that that the you know the city has zoning regulations set aside for stuff like this. this this stuff the the lots that we have proposed all [clears throat] fall within the zoning requirement set forth by the city for this area. It's not R1. It's not large acres tracks. It's the the you know just general residential single family residential which is what what this area is zoned for is what we're abiding by. So we just want to again let you know that if there's any other questions we'd be glad to answer them. Thank you. Right. Where you live at? Let let's not let's not have any of that. Let's not have any of that, please. Thank you, sir.

Yes, sir. What he's saying, the water runs north on Whipper. Mhm. And it does run off of his property in the creek and it comes to the corner. It comes off of his property in a dish and it hits right here and comes this way and then it comes back under whipple wheel right here into a dish right here. This dish can't handle the water. Luckily the land that he's talking about where the pond is where he build it out really don't the water run across his land

and his Morrison over here. But that water, this is a dish right here. And if you put three drives right here, it's going to stop the water. And but that water runs straight down here. Like I say, about where this driveway will be right here is where the culprit is. It comes under right here. Right. And we have water. We drive through water every time it rains hard. Okay. Every time. All right. Thank you. Okay. So, y'all have heard the concerns of the residents are the Oh, I'm sorry, sir. Would you like to come up? Yeah. My name is James Kler. I live at 231 Whipper. Can you repeat your name, please, for James Kitler.

Thank you, sir. 231 Whipperwheel, folks. That ain't right. I mean, look at it. You can look at it and see. That's not That's not what [music] I mean, come on. Look at it. You're going to have to build your road up. All right. You're going to have to build the road up. You go through there. If you got a boat, you'd be better off than than taking your vehicle through when it rains.

It's it's it's wrong. It's wrong. They could have at least come up with some better design to put the houses, situate the houses or something. It's not right. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. So, the concerns of the neighbors are the way that the lots are arranged, the number of houses, and the water. Yes, sir. Please come to the microphone and introduce yourself.

Travis Moore. I live on 151 Whipperwill, uh, which is just to the souththeast of this lot. So, on the bottom right corner, that would be the corner of my property there. I live right across the street from these folks right here. So, I'm probably one of the more recent residents of this neighborhood. I bought into this neighborhood in 2019 moving back from active duty service and I'm from Cabat. We moved back home and we bought the 5acre lot right there at 151 and my myself and my wife and our four kids live there. We play up and down the street, you know, they've seen us all out there. Anyway, my [clears throat] concern is what's going to happen basically who's going to be moving in there? cuz I look at that and I'm like that's not going to be probably owner occupied homes because that house that's already there I think was the only rental on the on our street and it was a lot of drama that came from that house. I don't know how many times I've gone outside and and seen the folks that live there like screaming in the street and fighting and stuff and it was not very peaceful at all. And I look at that and I'm like that's probably not going to attract buyers because when I came to this neighborhood the first thing I did was I went to Eddie's house and [clears throat] I asked him what's the neighborhood like? Is it quiet here? And what did you tell me?

You move here, you won't leave. Right? That's what he said. When this happens, that will probably go away cuz somebody's going to drive down the street and they're going to see bam, bam, bam, house, house, house house, and they're probably all going to be renters if I get if I had to guess. I can't say that for sure, but that's my guess just looking at at that map because that house was a rent house. They tore it up, which is why the owner's currently having to gut it and redo it. They tore it up. They didn't take good care of it. They burned the shed down. I was there when that happened. That was uh was it Fourth of July?

Fourth of July. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, drug manufacturing is what what I was told. But anyway, there was a lot of problems coming from that lot. And now you're going to put four houses there, which is the first lot on the street. Like, it's going to affect the whole neighborhood. And anybody else, like, you know, when folks if if they pass away or sell their house or whatever, that's what happened to me. the folks that lived there before had lived there for a long time and they uh basically aged out of the house and had to move to another town to be with their grandkids, but which is what opened up the house for me to buy it, which we have loved it there. I love living there. Uh so, but if this happens, it's going to very much affect all of that, you know. I mean, let's not even talk about home values, but just the aesthetic of the road, the the quietness of the road, all of that kind of stuff that I was asking Eddie about when I first moved here. Uh, if somebody comes to my ne my house and asks me that, I look at that and I'm like, probably not. It's it was already loud enough. There was enough problems coming from that house already. And then you put four rent houses there. I mean, that's going to hurt the aesthetic of the whole neighborhood. And I think that's one of the reasons why uh the neighbors are all against this. So that's all that's it.

Thank you. [applause] Do we know the rent house is we don't know and we wouldn't be able to predict that. We would just approve it based on that's what it looks like to me just looking at it. And for that reason that is unfair. If you cannot tell us, I mean, it's really unfair and each and every one of us have grandchildren or children and we don't want this. Understood. And y'all wouldn't understood. We have to look at it as as a point of does it fall under the code of the city the way it's drawn and how will it affect the neighbors. So, we look at both aspects of it. I'm just letting y'all know. Okay. So, yes, sir.

If if it would make the neighbors feel better, you know, it is a subdivision. So, anytime you have a subdivision, you have a a set of regulations called a bill of assurance that sets aside regulations what you can and can't do on these lots. If it would make the neighbors feel better, we could probably try and look, we can get a lawyer involved and see what language we can put in there that the houses can't be rented, you know, in the bill of assurance. That would keep them from being rented because the bill of assurance sets aside what you can and can't do with those lots. Why not build on the other side on the Brewer side of the street? Why? Why build on Whipper? I can't answer that right now. All right. Yes, you do have a drive on the other side.

Yeah, there's a driveway northwest corner there. I don't believe that the uh city can enforce the bill of insurance. Correct. I think that's strictly homeowners responsible for that. Correct. Is that correct, mayor? Yes. Is that not a good deal? Can I can I ask him some questions? Is that allowed? Well, I'm we're just trying to move forward here because we have heard all of y'all's concerns and nothing he says is going to make y'all happy, right? Like y'all are y'all don't want this going in. So, what you're looking at is three new homes going.

Can you come up to the microphone if and introduce yourself first? Hey, I'm Tracy Leila Shore. I live at uh 253 Whipple Wheel. My house is the last one on that road.

Uh not far from Mr. John over there, but my my house, if any traffic comes down there, my driveway will be the driveway everybody will have to turn around in. I have major concerns for that. You just don't know what type of people is going to end up in those three homes that is going to bring. And I understand riff raft is everywhere. I mean, I'm realistic, but that does jeopardize our family, our way of living, and who ends up on our road. It could be anybody. And just like it was the renters there before that had drug problems. And I know that nobody can predict who that. And it could be somebody that lives in a $3 million home, but that's mainly our concern. Our kids run up and down the road. I have kids and grandkids that run up and down that road and that's just going to change the traffic on how we live, what we're having to look out out for, and who's going to be on our road. What are we going to have to watch out for our back there? We all know each other on that road. We don't have to worry about who's there or who's not going to be there that we don't know about. We just have no concerns. we feel secure and we will not feel secure with not knowing who's coming in those homes.

Okay. It's just a major concern. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone for your input. Um I'd like to hear from the board now. Anyone that has anything they'd like to add to it or any concerns that they have about the plot plan. I have a question. the uh on this it said that letters were sent out uh to the people within that 200 foot range uh it's usually the neighbors that are connected. It's usually the neighbors that are connected to the property. Is that what y'all did? Yeah, we So we registered letter we got one next door I live. Okay.

So as far as the mailers all the mailers were sent out and proof of proof of notice was was give provided to the city and usually that's with the certified mailers that's the green stamps. Okay. We normally copy all those and hand those to the city as well with with the application. All right. Thank you. Yes, Gary.

Let me just say that we fielded two calls in our office from residents on Brewer Street that received letters as well. It's contiguous to the property. So, it's not everybody down Whipheel. It's the people whose property touches or contiguous with that property. Um, one was from um the 900 block of of uh Brewer Street. He just wanted to make sure it wasn't for multif family residential. I assured him it was single family residential. Uh he was fine. He's not here tonight. Uh and then there was another gentleman. Uh he didn't tell me where he lived. He came to city hall with his letter um want to know what was going to be there. I told him that the proposal was for single family residential and he didn't have any other questions and I don't I don't see him here. He might be one of these here but I don't I don't think he is. But those are the two calls that our office fielded in the permitting office. So Mr. Gary before you sit down just because I saw some looks when you're saying single family dwelling that means each lot is only going to have one home for a family.

For a family. That's correct. Okay. Okay. Also, before you sit down, wait. Yes, sir. You're standing up there, so I'm going to get you. Could you address the drainage issues that the uh property owners on Whipperwheel were referring to?

I I honestly I can address it firsthand because uh u nothing to do with this property, but I am down I own property downstream from here. My son lives at the corner of Brewer and Morrison. the water that they're talking about backing up there that eventually gets across that field because Mr. Bashaw filled that pond in. Um there's three flumes that goes under Morrison. Um the road is higher than Baron's ditch bank. So it overflows into his yard to make its way to uh under under uh or flows under Brewer. Three pipes under Brewer uh to make its way to Morrison. Two pipes flowing under under Morrison. So there is a lot of water that comes down that way. That is a natural drain of the city and and we get a lot of u uh we get a lot of water on our property there where he live where our son lives there at Brewer and Morrison. So I have seen that firsthand. There is there is some drainage issues to be there. I can't I'm not an engineer. I can't tell you that this is going to worsen it or make it better. It may be that opening up those ditches and putting coverts under each of these driveways could could help that on their end. It's not going to help it where I'm at, but that's I don't, you know, I'm not here for me. I'm here for what the the law and the zoning ordinance says we can do.

Art, do you have anything else you want to add? I see you looking at your notes.

Oh, yeah. I have TNTC notes. That's too many to count. But anyway, [clears throat] the uh the question I I guess that I have on and you all the boards already voted but on the 5- foot setback if in the future and you never know about the future, but landowners may decide to sell. Is that set a standard now that all the other houses built in that area will be have a 5-ft setback? just that that was one of the reasons I voted against it and continue to vote against it as far as I could. But anyway, uh just my opinion. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Anyone else have anything they want to add? Jack, Helen, I heard y'all. This is in the role of the plan commission. What how do you work it when the builder meets all of the zoning requirements? So if it was just about meeting zoning requirements, there wouldn't be a need for a planning commission. Okay. Okay. like we need to make sure that they they follow all the zoning requirements, but we also take other things into consideration, right?

And so that's why we're here and that's why we're listening to the residents. We know that they follow all the zoning requirements. We know that the staff approves it as it is. They don't think there will be any issue with it being built as is. Right now, it's up to us to decide. Okay. The other question I have, and I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm just trying to get everything out there. If the the purchaser or the owner of this property um can't build, are we creating a no man's land that this property becomes worthless? No.

It's a single house on five acres. My house rates have gone up. Yeah. 40% in the past two years. Same here. But you had the choice of what to do with your land, too. And why put three homes there? Why Why not just one? Well, it's the owner's It's the owner's decision. It's private property. That I would want to put three more homes on my land. And that's your choice. That's your decision. Yeah. Crazy for my neighbors. But your question is, is it going to if they don't build, is that lot going to become worthless?

Well, what I'm saying is if Well, kind of. And it does have other uses. I'm just throwing that out there. You know, we're not making a no man's land out of this. If No, absolutely not. Okay. You got you got a you got a single family dwelling. That's one house there. Well, he's he's talking about the lot as a whole, right? It's a nice lot. It's a nice lot with a a house that's being remodeled now. And when that's complete, that lot's probably going to be worth lot house is probably going to be worth a quart million dollar when as it sits now or when it was destroyed with by the previous renters, it was probably worth half that. Okay,

99,000 is what it listed for. [snorts] Okay, just with the improvements he's made on the house, the house and the lot is probably worth double that now. My house and my lot have doubled in value since I bought it in 2019. Okay, gone up about 40%. That lot could hold. I hate to say it, but it would still be a decent lot. Got a beautiful just put one house on it. It'd be it'd be Let me ask Mr. Mr. Press, will you come up here, please? I have a question to a little bit later.

Okay. If this is not approved as drawn, would you be would you come back to us with a a plan that just has one extra house, one like this lot split into two? Would that be a viable option for you? I mean, again, I I had no idea that I was going to piss this many people off. I mean, now you know. [laughter] I mean, I I had no idea. Um I mean, honestly, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. It It's about the money. Y'all know that. I mean, I'm not gonna sit up here. I'm not g I'm not gonna nobody. I mean

I mean and here here I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna be honest with y'all. Okay, so here's the deal. Those lots bring 30,000 a piece. Okay, it's 90,000. If I do two lots, which if it keeps all of y'all from doing this when y'all fly by me to waving, I'll take it to two lots. If we do two lots right there, then is that with the existing You mean two lots total? Well, no, sir. What I'm saying is like I'm saying take instead of having three lots, we do two houses where it gives you bigger lots instead of three. I mean, I'm just trying to work with y'all, you know, cuz I mean, so you can put you put two houses with the ex one more house with

No, sir. So you got the existing and then take it down instead of three lots to two lots instead of having three lots and put one on in here has the money to do the same thing that he's wanting to why not put a house here. There's no way we would do that here. No cuz I don't because I've already promised all right here's the deal is if I tell somebody I'm doing something that's what I'm doing. I told the lady that's buying the house on the corner that that right there went with the property cuz it's got going to promise somebody something that I I promised her and that's what's going on. Let's let him see, sir. Yes, sir. Do you own all that property one through four? Okay, that's what I want to know. Yeah.

And I mean, the thing is is, you know, we when we came up here, I had no intention to make anybody mad. Understand? Now, the thing is is we we went back and we even said instead of doing the five foot setbacks, we'll do the set the six foot, which is 100% with what the city asked. I've even sat here and I've went to saying I'll do two lots, which is even being more gracious on a what you see is it doesn't matter what I do, I'm never going to make anybody happy on this project. I that's just all that comes down to. I don't I don't know what more I can do on this situation,

right? And I I appreciate you working trying to work with the with the resident's concerns and I understand that y'all don't want anything to change, but somebody's bought this property and it's within code for him to add to add Here's the deal. So, this No, please come up to the microphone because I just want to finish my statement and then I'll let you speak. But, it's within his rights as the property owner to follow code and do this. And he's trying to work with y'all to put two houses instead of three. That's a better option than what he could get approved. So, I'm just letting y'all know. let's try to talk, you know, to each other and work through it instead of being where we won't bend at all because something's going to happen with this property because he's bought it and he wants to make money off of it. So, let's

he's not going to live there. Here's the question I have. I understand [clears throat] that. If this goes through, are the lots being sold prior to a house being put on it? Because if that's the case, then we as a neighbors could buy those lots and then not do nothing with them. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, the lot like if this goes through, the lots are going to be put up for sale before a house gets put on it. I I'll even make a deal with y'all. I'll even I mean, if y'all want to get a certain time frame when I list these, I'll give y'all a certain time frame that y'all can come in and y'all can buy them and I'll even be more fair with you than what I'll list them for. Yeah. Because if that's the case, we could buy them and then nobody builds anything on it, you know. So, it's just a thought. That is true. [snorts] Um that's what I would do if it was right next to me.

Yes, sir. Please come up. I appreciate everyone's patience with listening to everyone tonight. I really do. Thank you. This gentleman bought this house. Yes, sir.

Okay. Right across the street there's another lot. It's about an acre and a half lot. And the man, he wanted to buy both of them because both lots. He was going to tear this house down. He was going to put in multiple dwellings or more or you know he was going to put like six houses on the one across the street and he was going to put about four on this house this thing. Well, they turned him down so he didn't buy it. Well, now this man buys it. He comes in. He's going to put four on this house, you know, but they he turned the other the other builder turned it down because he couldn't get both of them cuz he wanted to build 10 houses,

right? Well, Mr. Pros is a man of his word and he's come up and he's spoken that he will divide those three lots into two lots instead. Is that what you're saying? And then you'll offer them. He did it for He's doing it for the money. He's not doing it because cares about neighborhood day. Excuse me. If he does go to the two lots, what he was referring to, would that take away the 5 foot, six foot variant, all that? Yeah. Yes. Because it's a different size lot.

Original. Yes. It would go back to the six foot. Um, Mr. Price, can you come back up, please? I'm just trying to I'm trying to find some solutions here, guys. Okay. So, you're saying that you'll be willing to withdraw this and resubmit with a two with two lots on there instead of three? If I mean, if if if that is going to fix this situation with these people, I I like I said, I I had no idea I was going to piss everybody off. I promise you. Why can't we put one home brewer in? I mean, I'm all for that. If y'all

because he's because he's selling that corner to that lady the way the way it's drawn right here. That's why that lot's bigger. Here, here's the thing is is money is one thing, but I also understand I'm coming over there with y'all. Here's the other thing is yes, I could make that into another lot, but I'm not going to because I gave her Can we stop the the back talk cuz we can't hear him very well. Thank you. What y'all talking about? I understand. Yeah. Behind. Yeah. Okay. So, here here's what we're going to do is we're going to withdraw this tonight. Yes, ma'am. And then you're going to come back next month with a new drawn plat. Okay. Yes, ma'am. All right. And that's what we're going to do. So, we'll see y'all next month if y'all have concerns about what's put out next month. Okay. Yes, sir.

And y'all can speak to him after, but let let us get to our vote. Okay. Well, it can be for everybody. Can we have maybe two options like he said and let's just see what you talk to him. He's the one that has to pay for the plat to be made and all of that. The the land if we wanted to buy the land versus the two houses option, you that's that's for y'all to discuss. That's not something that we can get involved with. We're just here for the way it's laid out. So, mayor, can you come up, please? Are we going to vote on this or are we just withdrawing it? And then let's just redraw it and we talk to them and let's try to Let's uh Okay. So, you're going to table.

So, I'm going to table this at the request of the developer. He's requesting this be tabled. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Do we need to vote on that? No, he's requesting it be table. Perfect. Okay. All right. So, this will be tabled until next month's meeting when he will come back with a new drawing. And I look forward to hearing from y'all then. [laughter] What date will that? Uh, it will be November 24th. Isn't it the 24th? That's what's on our thing. Yep. Thanksgiving. No, it's agiving. Yeah, it's Thanksgiving week, but it's the Monday of Thanksgiving week. Okay. So, we're this is withdrawn for tonight. All right. Okay.

Okay. Thank you guys. I appreciate you being here. So, we're going to go ahead and move off of the preliminary plat and the final plat will both be tabled to next month and then we're going to go to Davis Edition phase one preliminary plat lemons engineering. Mr. Lemons, I appreciate your patience. Please come up. Thank you guys. Thanks guys. I appreciate y'all working. [clears throat] Oh, pardon me just a second. Can we go to the next thing? No, that's okay.

First things first. I have not been in this building since this was done. It's nice, isn't it? This is phenomenal. Yeah. I mean, oh my gosh, I'm really proud. That's why I don't know if you saw my face when I walked in, but I was kind of like So, anyway, this is this is beautiful. I don't know who did the work, but they did an amazing job. Yeah. Anyway, uh I'm here uh Tim Lemons, Lemons Engineering. I'm here about Davis Edition. Uh we had our staff meeting uh last Tuesday. The comments that the staff wanted us to uh address were uh number one uh show a sidewalk along the east side of Ferguson Drive which the new preliminary plat shows that. Okay.

And then also um increasing the easement width that is between lot 16 17 and four and five. That is the existing sewer line that goes to Dollar General that was recently put in. And um Bruce brought up a good point. and he said that that sewer in that area is very deep. So, we'd like a little extra easement in case they do have to get in their work on it. So, we we increase the easement to a 15T. Okay. From 10 to 15. And that was the only comments that we had. So, be glad to answer any questions you may have.

And you put it on did you do the sidewalk on the side that had the little postage thing as well? No, we're not going to extend it up. That just on the other side. That was something that came up in the staff meeting. So, that's why I Right. And and I believe on the other side of the road, the only piece of sidewalk that's there is from the little mail kiosk north to old highway 38, which is about 50 ft. There's nothing south. I don't know why they put in that little bit of sidewalk, but that was another another engineer, another project. I don't know why they [laughter] did that, but I guess the people living in the detention pond can swim over there and get their mail, I guess. [laughter] Okay. Are there any questions from the board about this?

Yes, this the Davis edition. Yes. Okay. What is OV T O B E R? OV. Say it again. O V T O B E R. Then where's that at? has 15 uh 2025 beside it. Oh, after your introduction to your submitt on the on the plat. It's October spelled wrong. [laughter]

Thanks, Art. Appreciate it. I mean, forget all the engineering about [laughter] it. You get my grammar right. Okay. Anyway, so we got a typo somewhere. Yeah, you might want to check it over before the details. [laughter] I wonder if that was German or what. I didn't really didn't know. I I do have a couple of questions uh about this. Of course, uh planning commission overall is supposed to look at everything. Yes, sir.

The uh I I just have a couple questions more for my own satisfaction. You got the drainage on there to me. You you did a lot of work on it. Okay. I can I can assure you that. But I don't like it. Okay. What would you suggest we do different? Well, you have a storm source system collection system there. It dumps into the uh holding basins. Mhm.

And I see you have a an overflow for the basins to release that water. Great. The trouble I have is you got too many 90s in that coming down off off a 20 foot drop. Well, okay. You know, they're not going to make it a 90 when they actually build it. They'll be tapered. We're not going to make the dirt 90°. It will be tapered. Well, I noticed you put kicker blocks behind all that. And I said he's expecting the water flow to lift that out of the ground. No, I'm not sure what you mean by kicker blocks. Uh, you got bumper blocks behind the your your drop inlets.

I don't either. Is that on a different page of the Is that on this? I'm not seeing it. What do you have? Seven drawings in there, Tim. Yeah. What drawings is it on? That's That's I'm sorry, Mr. Leven. I didn't mean to say Tim. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Commissioner Brooke. [laughter]

He said on the detail plans about the on the sewer. Are you talking about the storm sewer system? Storm sewer. Storm water. That had to be over here. I can't see. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Can you tell me where we have our inlets? And we got those little drop inlets. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. Those aren't kicker blocks. Those are extended throats. Oh, okay.

So that you know, instead of having just a 5ft opening, we want to make the opening big enough so that we can handle any storm event that comes through. So that is just like having a bigger opening for our inlet. Our inlet's not going to be that big, but we're going to have wings that come out that allow the water to flow off the street and into our box. But those aren't kickers. No, that's not any kind of reinforcement. That is just a Yeah. Well, the way I looked at that's what I saw. Okay. No, no, I see.

The uh the other question I had, why I don't like uh retention ponds? Okay. because of the maintenance on them. Who's going to maintain those? The city. Is that what you said in your Yes. The city will have to maintain them. Believe that'll be signed over to the city. And then we've um over the past several years made a requirement they uh sign those over to us, deed those over to us so we can maintain the retention ponds because developers or neighbors don't in time as you well know. But if we're responsible for it, then we're going to take care of make sure they're maintained properly.

Can you qualify that, please? Can I qualify? Just qualify what the maintenance consists of. Mason mowing. Mowing it. Mowing. We got one over on what's that one in Orchard Hollow. It's very, very deep that we have to maintain because it wasn't being maintained by the uh developer at all. Yeah, we'll have to maintain them. We'll have to mow them. uh just part of it and honestly working I worked for a locality that we did that and we also had you know the people that mowed it inspected it when they mowed it to make sure that it still was the proper depth and whatnot. So I think it's better for the locality to have

and and the inland blocked and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Because it helps everyone down the down the water flow from it as well and keeping our responsibility for storm water and drainage. It's much better if we maintain them. Okay, that brought up the next question concerning that. What are there any EPA requirements on maintaining that such as the silt that builds up in it? Also, do they have to be lined with Bisqueen or

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The the the side slopes on this, the contours kind of are kind of give you a bad picture on this. The slope on this pond is a three to one that can be mowed with any lawn mower out there. It's not it's not like this. It's very shallow. It's like a three to one slope. So everything will be sided or seed inside the detention area before we turn it over to the city. So we won't have an erosion issue. Now during construction, we will have to have a storm water permit. Yes. And since we are more than one acre in size, uh we will have to actually five acres in size, we'll actually have to get a permit through the state,

but we can't apply for that permit until we get through tonight. But we'll have to have the permit in place before we do any construction. So that's the next step after tonight. Okay. I understand the state has different requirements than the feds.

Oh, the feds won't get involved in this. Well, okay, let me back up. EPA I don't really think is going to care what we do out there. They enlist this responsibility to ADQ which is the state branch. You know the state employee stateowned facility that administers EPA's regulations as far as storm water. So you know everything will go through ADQ has to because we don't get a permit from ADQ. We can't start.

Yeah. Right. Okay. Well, I was just I know that there are some stimulating regulations on the fed side. Okay. I can't speak for the state. Well, the the state does enforce the feds regulations. Okay. and we've got this designed to meet those regulations.

But there was also some conditions for uh the vaporation of the when they vaporized through sun and heat, all that kind of stuff. Removing the silt out of those holding ponds was all regulated under feds, not state as far as I know. But we're not going to be every 5 years that you inspect it to see if it needs to be per federal. At least that's what it was when I worked in Virginia situation where it's going to cost them through the

the only maintenance that you're going to have on this is going to be mowing it. Our discharge structure is a poured in place concrete discharge structure that I mean, you know, will last a lot. I wish it wouldn't, but it's going to last a lot longer than anybody sitting in this room. Well, I take that back. My son's here. [laughter] He'll probably He might outlast it. But anyway, the rest of us, you know. So, this won't be a swimming pool, right? No, only when it rains. [laughter] Only for about 48 hours. Let's be clear about that, too. Actually, 24 or less. But anyway,

um can I make a request before this goes to final? I know we talked about the common area being designated as a park. Can you put that as designated as a park before you submit the final? That would be a great asset to that area. Thank you. I appreciate that. If there aren't any other questions, I'd entertain a motion to approve as drawn with the request. Um uh Oh, go ahead, Bruce. I'm sorry. These uh these elevations here, does this represent current or this is that's current. Okay. Microphone. [laughter] So, we'll basically need some sort of a grading plan for these lots. Okay.

Um, yeah, because what he has here is current, I guess, which is normal. Um but to keep the you know the builders from you know building the pad too high or whatever to where the storm water can't flow in the direction that it needs to flow. Um we now request a a grading plan for those lots um to ensure that uh the lot owners whoever buys the lots follows that same plan. Okay. So, you would like the grading plan to be submitted with the final plat or before we approve that or if I could make a suggestion. Um, ADQ does not require grading plan per se, right? But we've started here recently doing a grading plan on a lot of projects and the the city needs it.

So, what I would suggest we do is we'll work up the grading plan and have it ready to go before we submit it to ADQ. Of course, Bruce will get a copy of everything we do. Would you be? Yeah, that's perfectly fine. Yeah, this is this is something [snorts] that's pretty new to us as well. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. So, I'd entertain a motion to approve with the grading plan being submitted and the common area being changed to a park before the final plot. So, do second. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? All right, Britain, you had me scared we'd be here till 10 o'clock tonight. Shoot. This is easy, girl. All right, Mayor UDO adjustment. Thank you, Tim. Mr. Lemons. I'm going to make your day. [laughter] I'm going to table this.

Okay. We've come what what what I want to talk to you about was some reasonzoning that we need to adjust before we go to a final. We'd had two readings on already for the city council. I postponed their last one because there are some issues come up or some questions about what some zoning issues and I just told about two more tonight. Okay. We're going to look at this again. Uh I will probably uh either bring you all in or ask you to bring in on a on a special meeting to look at this only. Okay.

Uh this zoning again and make sure that we are all I don't think we need to do any public hearings on this. We've already done that. These are just some adjustments. One in particular that was zoned industrial. We moved it away, but it really needs to stay back in industrial which is not a big deal. And there's a couple couple other things, but I think we need to to stop look at just that. It's been a late night and we have some other things to look at prior to that and I'll ask I'll get with you and set a date. You guys come in, we can set around my table or the dining room and hash it out. Okay. I like table it.

All right. Thank you. So, we're going to table the UDO zoning adjustment. I'm going to go over the announcements real quick. November 18th is our next city council meeting. It'll be here at 6:30. Our next planning commission meeting will be November 24th at 6:30. November 22nd, the Cornerstone Thanksgiving meal will be at 11:00 a.m. at city hall. In November 27th through 28th, the city offices will be closed for Thanksgiving. There isn't anything else. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. Let's go home. Second. All right. All those in favor say I. I. All right. Meeting adjourned.