Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. This is the city of Twinsburg planning commission meeting for Monday, October 20th, 2025. Roll call. Mr. Shipley, here. Mr. Walker, yes, ma'am. Mr. Hogler, here. Mr. Cohen, present. Mr. Sheck, would you please stand for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. We start this uh evening's meeting off with the public hearing for the conditional use permit request from Northstar Church, 9263 Revena Road, units A7 and A8. Um it's opportunity to come forward and give your presentation to the community to describe what it is that you're uh looking for this evening. Good evening and thank you. My name is Mike Lerner. I'm one of the uh founding members of Northstar Church. Uh we uh started the church uh in 2021 uh kind of the at the beginning of the year uh and held our first services in August of 21 actually at a chiropractor's office in Aurora. One of our um one of our members is a has a practice there and he allowed us to use that space. But we immediately started looking for a new space at that time as well and settled on uh the the place that we're at now, unit A8, and moved in uh November of 2021 and um immediately started doing some renovations, painted uh steam cleaned uh the entire warehouse, repainted it, carpeted it, put um a stage in and a media area in the back and set that up as our sanctuary. and uh we'd been there since and it served us uh really really well. Uh one of the things that we saw as we grew was that um uh our children's ministry was what was really starting to struggle. When we were at the chiropractor's office, we started about 15 people uh averaging on Sundays with about seven kids. And when we moved to this space, we were growing quite rapidly. And uh right now we're currently around 30 to 35 adults on any given Sunday and uh averaging around 20 kids. So, we had uh began to look for some additional space uh about two years in and looked all over the place. Couldn't really find anything. Uh we then uh kind of stumbled on finding out

that the unit next door was going to be opening up uh unit A7 and began to work with that landlord along with our current landlord re kind of reconfigured our leases uh so that they would align with each other. And then we took that unit over uh in January of this year and had made unit A7. Uh really our the entire unit is just our our kids uh ministry. Now we have a youth room in there. We have um a nursery and we also have our children's ministry in the back. It's carpeted and painted and we put some cabinets in and so forth as well. Uh so it's like to invite anybody here to to come and see us on a Sunday morning sometime. Uh you're always welcome. Uh but that space has really really served us well uh this last year. Uh we signed a two-year lease on uh both sides. And so we're now uh in those units through the end of next year. Um and then uh through a discussion with uh Lynn over the last uh several months, we found out that we uh really needed a conditional use permit and weren't aware of that when we moved in four years ago now. And so that's why we're here uh this evening. Um one of the things that we've really tried to stress and I I'll just kind of leave it with this is that we've really tried to uh kind of become a a member of the community and and and really work towards uh establishing ourselves that me. Sorry. Back up a little bit. Maybe just talk by the thing that's

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But but we've uh you know we've established we have our pastors from India and uh so we have several uh members of our church that that are from India as well. And uh so we've we've uh have set up uh missions that we work with an organization over uh in India, the Indian Gospel League, that we uh support financially uh every year. On a national level, we support uh Saritan's Purse uh for a number of disaster relief efforts and so forth. But locally, uh we've really aligned ourselves for the last three solid years now with the Twinsburg Hunger Center. I think it's now referred to as our community hunger center. And um I'm very proud. Our little church uh has uh done a drive every year that starts 1 of October through Thanksgiving. And uh uh we asked them that when they're out and about shopping that they that they consider purchasing some uh food items, um uh uh toiletry items and and Christmas toys and and bring those in. and then we would uh make a kind of a big haul over there uh right before Thanksgiving and drop all that off. And we've now done that for the last uh three years. We've also supported them financially uh with a number of donations. And I would just say that over the last three and a half years or so, we've uh probably donated somewhere around 15 to$20,000 uh to that organization. And they they do terrific work and it it really kind of goes right back into the community uh to those underprivileged. So, we really want to uh uh uh be a member of Twinsburg and uh and and be a member for quite some time. So,

thank you. Um so, this is a public hearing for the conditional uh use permit request to allow a religious institution in the I1 intensive commercial and light industrial zone. This is the opportunity for members of the community to address this issue. If anybody would like to speak on this, either in favor or against. Now is your opportunity to come forward. Anyone would like to come forward, now is the time. Seeing no one, the uh public hearing will be now closed. Mr. Learn, if you just stay put there because we're going to go into the uh work session uh portion of the agenda and the first item is the conditional use permit request. Northstar Church, 926 Levena Road, units A7 and A8. Um I mean pretty much have shared. Lynn, is there anything else that you would like to share on this uh application for planning commission's consideration?

Well, I've I emphasized through um the process of um getting representatives here from the church that it's always a concern of planning commission that there's ample parking to support this type of use. And so that's been a big part of what we've worked on and just really locking down um agreements between the other tenants owners and occupants um for shared parking on Sundays.

Yeah, if I can speak to that. So we average about 23 cars on Sunday morning. Uh right now currently the way the uh the bylaws are written for the condo community, we're allowed three spaces per face. Uh so with our two units were allowed six parking spaces up along the front. Uh we've gotten agreement letters from our two neighbors. Um quite honestly at five o'clock on Friday that place is a ghost town all the way till till Monday morning. So we have a ton of parking actually. Uh but we we're allowed 12 spaces now. They've they've each agreed to let us use those spaces on Sunday morning. The center island area uh is is sort of a free-for-all. It's it's open to anybody. uh there's real no no restrictions on that parking. Uh so with that alone, I we probably have spaces for up to 50 50 cars. So we're we that's really not not not been an issue.

Yeah, I would assume that based on the majority of your use being on Sundays that parking wouldn't be an issue. Um I I I would be surprised um if that was. So um was that that was really the major that was the main thing from a zoning perspective from the building department perspective when we started this process along with the conditional use permit we realized there was no certificate certificate of occupancy for the assembly group that was happening there and so that's the submission that you got in the packet from the architect sort of establishing a basis for issuing a CFO for this assembly type is all right. Uh Ed, any comments or questions?

No, sir. Craig, no. The parking was the only thing. It sounds like you have ample parking. Do do you do any uh evening ser services that may uh we average about two to three meetings a month uh in the evenings from about 6:30 till 8 or 8:30. Uh and that's about it. And they've actually said really any off hours uh we could utilize those those spaces but but generally we're not anywhere near that kind of kind of car usage maybe six seven cars at a time. So total amount of time quite honestly we use that space is about maybe six hours a week. It's not it's not very much. Correct. Michael

I've got nothing. Mr. Chairman they've they've done their due diligence and the collaboration and work. Thank you. Scott, anything? Nothing.

All right, Miss Leoner, if you want to have a seat, we'll get to you in the regular meeting portion uh this evening. The second work session item is the final site plan approval deon apartments clubhouse facility. The applicant could please come forward and give an overview of what you're looking for this evening. Good evening. Uh Jason Baylor with Pain and Pain Builders here representing uh in town management uh in the clubhouse at proposed at uh Deer Run Apartments. And uh we're here returning after a couple of year hiatus. I think we're 2023.

Yeah.

Last visit. And uh we've done considerable amount of development of the site uh improvement plan. Um and uh very appreciative of Lynn's help to get this far uh to be in front of you tonight with a a very well-developed plan. Um and uh the intent of the project is really about five different uh working spaces uh that are part of um the clubhouse. Uh one we've got a primary office and leasing center uh that'll be consolidated into that space. It's kind of in the side of one of the units right now. Um we'll also have a gathering area uh for the benefit of the residents there uh as part of the ground floor. And then moving up to the second floor, we've got a gym facility there and a model apartment uh for the units that are on site and available. In addition to that, there's a pool facility again for the benefit of the residents. Um and so that'll be presented and discussed at a later time. So,

okay. Thank you. Um the submission's really come a long way from the original and there was quite a few comments and things um in the last couple weeks. You guys really must have uh been working hard. Lynn, I'm sure was cracking the whip, which is good. She was she was working the hardest of all. So, we're very appreciative of the city's help and guidance. Um I I see even the couple comments that I made to you last week have already even been incorporated into this plan. So um I'm happy to see that. Um I don't think I have any other specific comments or questions. Uh Ed, did you have anything? No. All right. No, I don't. Michael,

I just appreciated reading the uh nationwide permit. I worked with Ziaak in a civilian job for many, many years. So you see him tell him you stood before Michael used to work with the Coast Guard. I've since transitioned out of civilian service. No, lots of good work on this. Thank you. Scott, anything? Not really. Lynn, anything else you want to share on this? I mean, they they've taken care of

this is a challenging site with um for them in terms of the um rock being close to the surface. um with the size of the site. You guys didn't get a copy of um the geotechnical report, but that was done as well um to site the best location for the underground chamber and so on and so forth. And um the attorney representing the project, Mr. Author has he and I have also been in constant communication over the last two weeks and we've I've met with the law director and he and I looked at the documents for the covenants the declarations covenants and achievements and are satisfied with what we have. So I I think really um we managed to cross all our tees and do eyes. We're just waiting for execution of the storm pipe easement um at the rear of the property um and the sign off on between the property owners of the covenants document. So there there will be three conditions. Those two that you just mentioned, the storm sewer easement being signed by all the parties and approved by the engineer. The declaration of the covenants restrictions and easements signed by all parties and approved by city planner. And then final engineering approval of the revised submitt by uh by the engineering department. Um, I had a couple questions that I was still hoping to see answers for on the actual retaining wall for the height and material and things. I mean, from an aesthetic standpoint, that's really not our purview, but um, uh, if if it doesn't work, engineering won't approve it from a grading standpoint. So, I have to

sure go with the flow on that. Um, two questions I'm thinking about. Do we need to put any condition regarding the core of engineers authorization because they have some restrictions on tree cutting from April to September? I don't know if we need to. And then my other question is for you guys because I saw I just I reread this again. Uh the authorization from four is until March 14, 2026. Do you think that's going to be enough time to do what you guys need to do?

So we do. Um, we're counting on this uh committee to uh give us the leeway to do so, but uh we need to impact that site before that timeline also is within the timeline. We'd have to get in there anyway to get to the get get there before the bats do. Um so, uh the timing works out well. Not a lot of room to spare, but if we can work out any nuts and bolts left on the approval process and get our approvals, we anticipate being able to get started with the vengeance. Okay. Understood. Staff's all over those conditions. Okay. I figured as much in bats, it's everywhere.

I dealt with it in the context bridge construction. If they got the memo, they don't move in until April and we have to be done by March anyway. So it seems like we don't have a problem, right? I think you're good. So now I just I saw the the effect the end date on that till 14 March of next year. I just know if that's going to give you Thank you. or if you're going to have to go back to them for reth which from my understanding work in core projects they usually do. So you answer my question. Thank you. All right. So we should be okay on that then. Okay. Um All right. So we're good on that then. Lynn, unless Mr. Walker wants to add anything.

Well, I better add something since I had to get up. I had hip replacement a month ago. So, I uh um No. And could you identify yourself for the record, please?

Yeah. Ben Oer, OCKN, uh with Burns Aer and Greenberger were council for the project. Um, I'm very grateful for the city and particularly uh Lynn uh working with us on this project. I think it's a project that the city wants. Um, members of city council said as much uh a while back when we were in for our conditional use permit and um it's been uh just very um satisfying and rewarding working with you guys. Um the only glitch that we have run into, and it's one that we're going to work out in one way or the other, is getting the uh neighboring property owner to the east um to respond to a request for the storm water easement. Um we're considering um possible alternatives, but uh the best alternative is the one that we've been working on and we've had contact with them, but uh it's it's kind of difficult to uh uh get their attention. So, but that's the only thing that uh of any concern at this point. Well, hopefully you'll get that worked out because you'll need that to move forward. So,

that that u hopefully will happen in a timely manner for every for for everybody. All right. Thank you. Um Lynn, uh the third item on the work session is the zoning text amendments. If nobody has any issue, I think we'll just handle that in the regular meeting portion. Uh that way uh everybody who's here don't does not have to stay. Unless unless you would like to stay for that, you're more than welcome to, but it won't be required to. Um be riveting. Yeah.

Yeah. So uh 650 uh we're going to move into the regular meeting uh portion of the agenda. The first item is the approval of the August 18th, 2025 planning commission minutes. Does anybody have any comments or corrections to those minutes? No.

Seeing none, they'll be accepted as submitted. Uh second item is public participation opportunity for members of the community to address planning commission. If any would like to speak, now is your time to come forward. Seeing no one, we'll move to item number three, which is the conditional use permit request by Northstar Church. If uh the applicant could please come back up to the podium. Is there anything else that you would like to share with planning commission at this time regarding your application?

Uh no, I don't think so. Other than I just want to thank Lynn for all her help uh till now as well. And uh also like to thank our architect that we consulted with over the last several months to help us get to this point and all the submitts that he did. So I want to thank Nate. Uh but that's really it. And hopefully hopefully everything is complete and you've got everything uh that that you requested. Uh Ed, anything else? No sir. Craig, no sir. Michael,

no sir. like to make the following motion. Upon reliance upon representations made by the applicant and their representatives along with the submitted conditional use request and application for Northstar Church, 9263 Ravena Road, units A7 and A8, permanent parcel numbers 64-479, 64-480, and 64-8337. Date stamped I'm sorry dated September 30th, 2025. I move that planning commission recommend to city council issuance of a conditional zoning certificate to allow a religious institution in the I1 intensive commercial and light industrial zone.

Second. Second by Craig. Discussion. Roll call. Mr. Cohen. Yes. Mr. Shipley. Yes. Mr. Walker. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Hogan. Yes. So, you have a positive recommendation to city council who will make the final determination on your request in the issuance of the conditional zoning certificate. Great. Thank you all very very much.

All right. The next item is the final site plan request for the Deer Run Apartments Club Pub House facility. If the applicant could please come forward. Is there anything else that you would like to share with planning commission regarding your application this evening? No, sir. Uh we appreciate the city's uh help in getting this far. Thank you. Greg, anything else? I mean Ed, I'm sorry. No, I'm good. Thank you. Craig, anything else? Nothing. Michael?

No, sir. I'd like to make the following motion. Upon reliance upon representations made by the applicant and their representatives along with the submitted site plan, landscape plan, and support documentation for the Deerrun Apartments, clubhouse, and pool, 100031 Darl Road, permanent parcel number 64-09679. Date stamped received September 30th, 2025 with revisions. Date stamped received October 9th, 13th, and 14th, 2025. I move for final site plan approval with the following conditions. One, storm sewer easement to be signed by all parties and approved by the city engineer. Two, declaration of covenants, restrictions, and easements to be signed by all parties and approved by the city planner. And three, final engineering approval of the revised submitt. Second.

Second by Michael. A big mouthful there. Sorry. Any discussion? You said pool also. Is that all included in this? We didn't have any discussion over that. Yeah, behind the um on the site plan behind the building is the pool. I thought I heard he was going to come back and talk about the plan. So permitting with the health department for the pool and I mean um permitting for the pool is yet to come. the plan from a planning standpoint, it's as presented. So, the intent is to build the pool and develop the site as it's shown with the retaining wall and the pool deck. And yeah, they'll still require all the other approvals, build a building, uh, health department and engineering on it.

Um, storm water, they have the underground storm water detention that's next to the bull underneath all that paving. Um, it's a lot going on on that. Yeah. Okay. Any other catch? Nope. You're okay? I'm good. All right. Uh, roll call. Mr. Cohen? Yes. Mr. Walker? Yes, ma'am. Mr. Shipley? Yes. Mr. Hogler? Yes. Approval 40. You're ready to roll. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, next item on the agenda is the zoning text amendments. Lynn, you're up.

Okay. So I you have a revised version of this that was sitting at your chair. Yeah.

Um just I'm just going to jump to the end of page three. The revision is um crossing out the data center definition. That's we'll come back to you in a different document. Okay. So the first one is section 1108.03 03 prohibited uses. Um, planning staff is recommending the addition of the word metal to this um, prohibited use that reads stone crushing processes, nitrating processes, and ferrris and nonferris manufacturing processes. That that's the current language. Ferrris and non-ferris manufacturing processes. like to add the word metum to the manufacturing processes because without it it really just means you can't have any manufacturing processes. You can't have ferris or non-ferris.

Yeah, this language is the exact language that was in the old code. I just recently had a local business call and say, "Hey, we create solder for soldering uses." And I I'm I'm reading that I can't do that based on this language. And so that's the reason for that sort of clarification. I'm going to call this one a clarification. Seems to be good. Any comments or questions? All right. It's not a change in use. It's just a clarification of what we're prohibiting. You can read ferris and non-ferris as being metal. But that's all right. But somebody's non ferris now. Exactly.

It made it more obvious. Well said. All right. Go ahead.

Um, the next one is regarding fencing. We currently have a 1 and 5/8 inch wide spacing requirement on our board on board fencing. The we're asking for the 1 and 5/8 to be changed to 1 and 1/2 inch just because it's easier for people to grasp that dimension and there are more products available in sort of a vinyl format at that dimension. the one and 5A seems to be an anomaly. I I I don't know why that's been historically has been the dimension in the code. Um it's created problems for folks for decades. And um

so the one and a half is just more of a not more of a standard by by the eighth inch. Yeah. Versus So this is a standard build is half inch. Exactly. One and a half inch. You can buy fencing with that opening size. Right now it's hard to find that one and 58. Yes. Or it's a special because a 2x4 really isn't 2 in wide. Correct. Right. Is what part of the problem is 2x4 is not really 2 in wide. 2 in. That's true. All right. That's seems to be okay. Go ahead.

Um so then the next um section is fencing and residential zones. Um, this was rewritten in the new code and it's stipulating that fences not taller than four feet. You can have those in the front yard. Um, it's just more seen as decorative. That's been the way it was. That's the way it is. But then it says, okay, it can't be chain link. That's always been the the same rule. And this language says and may have a maximum opacity of 50%. But I think what we really want this language to say is and shall have a minimum opacity of 50%. It kind of twists your brain around a little bit trying to um register.

You're you're asking that you want it to have some some solidness some to it some less solidness but it's but it has to have a minimum 50% like a double want more air open. You want more open than you have closed. Picket fence they have to at least be spaced the same width as the itself. Yeah. Right. Otherwise, those iron fences pass. Exactly. Or if you want to have a split rail fence, you're able to, but if it's can't go board on board. Correct. Right. Right. Yeah. 100% which is what you want. I think that's what's the intent, but it was written

seem like it was written right through the Yeah. Okay. Nope. No. No problems there. Okay. And so then that happens again if you go to page two. And so that section was fencing in residential dis zones. Then item D, mid page, fencing in non-residential zones. We have the same change in the language from maximum to minimum opacity 50%. Okay, follow down there, Cassie.

So I'm skipping around here a little bit, but so this this is one of the few things in this document that has any meat to it really is number seven, the addition of item number seven. We get some requests every year for a privacy screen or landscape feature

to be to be deployed with fence panels, but it's not really being used to enclose anything. It's just used in association with a hot tub or a patio or again some type of landscaping feature. We'd like to allow that. This adds a lot of confusion for staff and for residents in terms of well, do we require a fence permit? What does that look like? How do we just treat it like a fence? And so we said, well, let's call it out. We're not going to overregulate it here, but let's definitively allow for someone to use the fencing as a free st standing screen. Um, and it has to follow all the rules of the fencing regulations except for the one and 5/8 one and a half inch. Okay, it can be solid.

I got a quick question on that. So, um, on page two you have one one on the line three. Line three of that paragraph you have one 09 decimal 02 parentheses capital B capital 1. If you go to page one of the packet you gave us where it has general defense material and design standards. I'm basically saying does that need to be a capital B or is that a lowercase B and is one of the two have to change and is and yeah and is this on page two relating back to this? I'm thinking it's a capital B just looking at the the way the rest of it is. Right. Yeah. Considering the next one below it is a capital C,

right? I would I would and there's a capital D under seven. And the only reason I ask is I know if this isn't addressed, somebody will say something on Facebook. I'd have to go get the book to confirm that. I can get it. Well, you you can make it. So, if it matches, I mean, I think I think it's more it's like a clerical. Yeah, it's it's more but but if if it's a lowercase B there, then it's got to be a lowercase B under number seven, right? I'm just I'm just putting on what lawyer Michael had on and I I believe it's an upper it's an upper case just because I think we don't know where

item seven is under C. Yeah, I think it's C7. So, I'm not sure about the B, but I'll definitely check it. Okay, I see what you're saying. It might not be in that same paragraph where the C could be a little a up above it. C 1 2 3 then under three. 100%. I'm sorry. No, you're fine. No, I appreciate it. Yeah. So, it's a clerical thing to verify so that that item B and item seven have the same Yeah. No substantive concerns at all. Okay. in case, but the actual awarding and everything else in there everyone's okay with. Makes sense.

We've allowed We've We've said 25 ft. So that's three panels. That's the 8ft panel post. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Um so then the the schedule of minimum required parking spaces. So, in the in our prior code, we required two enclosed parking spaces per dwelling unit, meaning you were going to have a two-car garage. At least you were going to have I don't even think a carport would qualify, but you're going to have a twocar garage. We we would like to go back to that. Right now, the language is one and a half spaces per dwelling unit, but they're not required to be enclosed. And the reason Why I think it matters. It's not because there's all these vacant lots that we're going to build houses on at this point, but I don't think we really want people converting their garage to a living area and then parking cars in the driveway. Um, what I've heard in various focus groups that we have while we were writing the code, people don't like cars parking in driveways. That was one of my firm takeaways from that activity. because it doesn't help to have four cars and only a two-car garage.

Well, in the context of accessory dwelling units, when we talked about that with the focus group, they didn't have an issue with the accessory dwelling units. Their issue was with additional cars parked in the driveway. Interesting. Or on the street. Yeah. runs through. You're just anywhere. They that So, so this is changing it up to two, but they're still not required to be in. They are required to be enclosed with what is proposed here. Doesn't say doesn't say. Oh, two. You mean that big red enclosed right there? Yeah. Mhm. That need my new glasses, not my makeup. Two enclosed per dwelling. Okay, I'm fine with that.

Any issues going beyond? So, yeah. Okay.

Okay. So then note number seven.

Yeah. Um comprehensive sign permissions and standards. So section of the code that deals with these various types of signs banner temporary banner signs monument signs wall window signs. It doesn't distinguish between signage in a residential portion of a PUD and a commercial portion of a PUD. This again is more for clarity purposes than for anything. I'm asking that we add the table note 7 allowing for a temporary banner, monument, post, and panel sign, wall, awning, and window signs um to be allowed with a sign permit in the PUD commercial development areas, but they are excluded in the detached and attached one unit residential development areas. This is really more for clarity. At a glance, when you look at the sign ordinance, it looks like signs are not permitted in the commercial areas of the Ethan's Green PUB. So, on Veil Drive essentially, adding table note 7 clarifies that. Why above the box it says vehicular use area sign 4 feet with a question mark?

Um that is that just a typo? That's just a typo. So we're trying to allow these signs in the commercial part of a PUD, not in the residential part. Correct. Basically is with a permit with the permit and and that's all handled through the building department. Well, it's actually not handled through the planning department. Through the planning department. What about uh architecture review board and it it goes to ARB review it that's all other it's all part of another section okay

what happens in the PUD when you do the PUD development agreement you've identified this commercial area this cluster home area this single family area deer run this multif family area so you have these different areas that were identified in the PUD and those are also stipulated in the original development ment agreement and it says in there that the commercial areas shall be treated as a C2 commercial area. So by virtue of that the signs are act I could argue that the signs are permitted in the C2 area of the Ethan Green but there's no one in this building other than me that knows that that development agreement exists. This will clarify that for everybody.

What I know and what other staff people know and what those that will come after me know aren't the same. And so I I think this needs to be in there for clarity purposes. Any comments or questions or concerns on that? My only question it says we exclude so we're not not allowed to do for deccast or attach to one unit residential de development areas. I guess are there any twounit residential development? Like I guess is that that'd be I I guess I don't know what what one unit means versus multi-unit in the cluster districts. We allow up to four units attached. Okay. Like condos kind of together, but we would still call those attached one units.

Oh, they would be. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I want to make sure that we weren't like carting ourselves out and someone said, "Well, I have a four I have a four unit one. I can put a sign up." Right. You Well, you can see how this gets when you're writing this code. Yeah. Okay. As long as that's covered, that that's my only question. You have to literally mean what you just wrote because

then again, somebody looks at it later and says, "hm, I don't think signs are permitted on Veil Drive." And that's the reason we have a new zoning administrator position now that's also administering this code. And if she says, "Hey, we're not allowing signs in the commercial PUB." Then I'm like, well, why do you think that? Oh, because it's not in his chart. Okay. Well, we need to correct for that. Then the only other questions table note seven. I guess there must be notes one through six. There are.

Yeah. Yep. There. I wanted to bring forward a vehicular use area sign amendment, but I didn't get to it. So, that note above the chart is a typo at this point. Okay. for future future tax amendments. Um, all right. Uh, on to serving notice of order. And so this one is asking to add a commercial mail service to one of the ways we could deliver a violation notice, meaning FedEx probably. The certified mail is really dismal at this point,

taking weeks. Don't the only thing I would ask on that is um certified mail or you get rece you're getting receipts on that and track and so okay just as long as there's the proof of tracking I think it's I don't think there's a need to add anything additional because it's implied and who would send something without tracking anyway for something like this it would so it would really be something nominal or something we for some reason expected cooperation right out Right. No, it's I I think this is good as it is. It makes it gives it gives you another tool. It's another tool. That's exactly what we perceive it as.

And then we've changed um building department to zoning administrator. Sure. Because that's what we're doing now. Okay. Any comments or questions or issues with the st that? No. So I I guess I would characterize these as essentially clarifications other than the fence um to be used as a screening kind of mechanism.

Okay. Then uh I guess I would like to make the following motion. I move that planning commission recommend to city council the miscellaneous zoning and development regulations proposed text amendments as submitted and discussed for the October 20th, 2025 planning commission meeting. Second, second by Craig. Any discussion? Roll call. Mr. Cohen, yes. Mr. Shipley, yes. Mr. Walker, yes, ma'am. Mr. Hogler?

Yes. All right. So, you have a positive recommendation, Lynn, to go in front of city council with this. See if you can convince them the goodness on it. Mr. Bar, we see any issues with any of this from your perspective? I know you're only one of many. I do not. Okay. All right. So, what's recommended for zero to to city council? All right. Uh, thank you Lynn for going through putting all that together as always. Um, next item, communications and miscellaneous. Mr. Bar, anything this evening? Uh, additional. Thank you. Uh, Ed, anything? No, sir.

Greg,

no, I don't have anything. Michael. Um, I know I made a kind of a joking reference to Facebook earlier, but you all know how defensive I am and protective of Glenn and the work that this committee does and the work that council does. Um, I've read comments about the data center issue and I know it will probably come to us again, but I I think what got lost in the fog on all those post is that we are very deliberative as a planning commission and we look at things on a case-byase basis. That's point one. And if there's we're not always going to look at it, we're going to look at everything on its facts as lawyers would say. And then two, um I noted there was a comment about we did all this work on on on revising the code, rewriting the code. You would think that so and so would have would have taken care of this. To that, I have two responses. One, there were tons of meetings about this revised code. There was public notice. there was plenty of opportunity for for participation out there if this was an issue back then on data center or anything like that. It could have brought up a lot earlier. So it seems like it was very opportunistic some of the complaints about data centers. Um and the other point is just this is again thanks to Lynn we're trying nothing is perfect. If everything is perfect there wouldn't be legislation at every council meeting. there wouldn't be legislation every session of the general assembly or Congress. Things sometimes have to be tweaked and I think it's done so in the spirit of improving things for the residents of the city. So, I just I want I just wanted to put that out there.

Thank you, Len. You're welcome. Thank you, Michael. I I we will have a meeting in November. Um I think we may have a concept plan in front of us for the downtown redevelopment site. Okay. If the data center applicant would like to um come back to planning commission for further discussion, I I won't have those on the same agenda. So, we'll just you'll get an email from me explaining how we'll handle that. But November 17th is the next

Yeah. thinking November 17th will be an opportunity to see a concept plan for the downtown site. That's awesome. Okay. Anything else uh in the works? Um I have a couple. Um I um Doyle Stman, the resident that has a resoning on the ballot for November issue is 44. Yeah, he he has a pending site plan and conditional use permit. I don't that it's possible that makes its way onto our November agenda. Maybe just for the conditional use permit part of that.

Oh, that there was some issues with how it was overlapping the property and how that was going to work until they got it. probably need to have the lot consolidation and the conditional use permit together. Yeah. And then the site plan was essentially completed, but I I don't see all that happening in November, but um possibly a portion of it could advance.

Okay. Yep. All right. Um need a motion to excuse absent members. So moved by Michael, a second by Craig. Any discussion? Roll call. Mr. Walker. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Shipley? Yes. Mr. Hogler? Yes. Mr. Cohen? Yes. Uh, excused. Excuse absent member. Um, seeing nothing else, uh, we will adjourn this evening's meeting. 7:17.