City Council - Regular Meeting

The closed session meeting of the city council has been canceled this evening. The regular meeting of the city council will begin promptly at 6 PM. Thank you.

Everyone I'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the City Council at 6 p.m. Meeting number 3 1 0 5 Madam City Clerk roll call, please Councilmember Nielsen Councilmember pink present councilmember Gallagher mayor Pro Tem Chanel mayor lumber there Thank you next we have the invocation Jeff Carr evangelist from Tustin Church of Christ is with us tonight.

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Good evening, and let's pray together. Father in heaven, we thank you so much for allowing us to be here. Thank you for the day you've given us, for the creation that we see outside, the mountains that we can look at, being in close proximity to the ocean, the diversity that we can see each and every day that is only from your creation, that only you can do, helps to remind us of just who you are and how powerful you are in our lives. Help us to be servants of one another. Help us to be good stewards of the blessings you've given us. Help this legislative body to lean on you and ask for wisdom as they make critical decisions that impact this community. Be with us all as we seek to put you first in all things. It's in your son's name. Amen. Amen.

Thank you. I have the Pledge of Allegiance tonight. If you're able, please rise. Place your right hand over your heart. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated. All right, well, usually when the council chambers are this full, that means we've done something horribly wrong. But I'm glad that that's not the case tonight. And I would like to welcome back the Tustin Girls Softball to recognize them. We have two presentations tonight. And the first one is Tustin Girls Softball. I'm going to read some words here. And if you were here last year, either the girls or parents, coaches, I'm going to read. I'm going to invite Mr. Hernandez to come up and say some words. And then we'll take some pictures, too. So I'm glad you guys are back again. This summer marked a historic milestone for the Tustin Girls Softball League as its all-star teams achieved unprecedented success and proudly represented Tustin on the state and regional stage. For the first time in league history, the 10U Silver All-Star Team captured the district championship title. The team went on to place fourth in the state tournament and earned an impressive second place finish in the California regional tournament. The 12U Gold All-Star Team achieved another remarkable accomplishment by winning the state championship, earning the opportunity to complete for the Western National Championship in Seattle, Washington. Their success brought great pride and excitement to the Tustin Girls Softball League. These outstanding achievements reflect the hard work, dedication, teamwork, and sportsmanship demonstrated by the athletes, coaches, and families throughout the season. Their accomplishments serve as an inspiration to future players and reinforce the strong tradition of youth athletics in Tustin. Congratulations to all the athletes, coaches, and supporters on an exceptional season and for representing Tustin with excellence both on and off the field. Congratulations. Mr. Hernandez, the floor is yours.

Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. Nice to see you again, as promised. My name is Christian Hernandez, President of Tustin Girls Softball, and on behalf of our league, thank you to the City of Tustin and City Council for this special recognition and for your continued support of youth sports in our community. As shared, we are incredibly proud of these young athletes for their hard work, teamwork, sportsmanship, and the way they represented Tustin throughout this summer. I also want to thank their coaches and families for the countless hours and sacrifices that made these accomplishments possible. This year, we had nine all-star teams. They all moved on into states. But tonight, we proudly recognize both the 10U Silver Storm, led by manager Bianca Hernandez and coaches Selena Gonzalez, Ashley Hernandez, and Mario Rojas. As shared, they finished 27-11, won districts, placed fourth in Southern California, and finished second at the California State Games in San Diego. I also want to recognize the 12-year-old Sparks, led by manager Chris Blevins and coaches Jimmy Brown, Michael Crawford, Chris Manning, and David Valencia. The Sparks finished with an incredible 39-8 record. They won three tournaments, and they're the first-ever Tustin girls softball team to win a state championship. They traveled to Seattle this summer, and they did represent Tustin at a national tournament. So at Tustin Girls Softball, we always say we do it for the girls. And tonight, we proudly celebrate the players, the coaches, and the families of these two teams and our entire league. So thank you very much. Thank you.

And we're going to come take some pictures in a second. But girls, this night is about recognizing your accomplishment. But as the father of four youth athletes that are in travel leagues for different sports, say thank you to your parents too, OK? Thank you.

All right, thank you. And then you're going to be in this right here. No, they're coming down. Smile.

Facing this way.

No, no, no. So, squeeze together.

Maybe shorter.

Thank you, Mary. We can have some of these girls at one point.

Do you guys want to jump up here?

We'll go in front of you so that you're looking down. Okay.

You don't all have to, but yeah. So if you just make a little path right here, the council will come down. Because that looks really weird.

Right? because the podium gets in the way.

Thank you. Okay. Okay.

Okay.

Wait, I don't know who that is.

All right, you girls are, and maybe the parents want to know this too, you girls can leave if you want. The next presentation is the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, and it might be special for you to just kind of hear what it's all about. But if you want to leave, go ahead. We'll give you about 30 seconds to shuffle out. So if you're leaving, hurry up. Start as soon as the doors shut, just because I know your background noise. Okay. Our next presentation tonight is the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, and Chris Yee Green of the Dolly Parton Foundation will speak on behalf of the Dolly Parton's Imagination Library project occurring at the Arvada Book Company. Go ahead.

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, and thank you for the floor and opportunity to share. We are just so excited because the Imagination Library, Dolly Parton's Imagination Library, is coming to Orange County, and it's starting in the city of Tustin. You all are the first... Y'all are the first city to bring this program to fruition. And that is huge. And I have a lot of folks to thank. But before I do, I'd be remiss if I didn't say something about our dreamer in chief, whom we just lost. Obviously, Dolly is a legend. She's a treasure. And somebody shared something recently that I thought was really beautiful. We have celebrities that we love and adore and we cherish. But Dolly was a celebrity that loved us back. And she was that thread that kept us all together. There's not one person, I think, that didn't like Dolly. And Dolly really cared about humanity. And one of the ways in which she showed how she cared about humanity is she brought Dolly Parton's Imagination Library to life 31 years ago. So we're celebrating 31 years of impact. And in California, we have a commitment to bring this program to all 58 counties, Orange County obviously being a high priority. And thanks to Councilmember Lee Fink, Sam Robertson with Arbita Book Company and Foundation, and folks like Daylene Riley, who's our youth ambassador, and Janie, who's been with me since the beginning. we're able to say that the Imagination Library will be available to children from birth until their fifth birthday. So for those of you who don't know about the Imagination Library, what it does is gift a book every single month to children from the time they're born until their fifth birthday. And our hope is that we're building home libraries. But beyond that, we're better preparing our kindergartners for school, for their school journey. And we focus on this age group because 90% of our brains are developed by the time we reach five. So that interactive reading with our caregivers is paramount. It ensures that they're exposed to worlds outside of their own, that they're exposed to words, and they're getting themselves primed and ready to learn how to read. So this program is incredibly important. And we just did an international study that showcased the validity of our program. Just after 10 books, after looking at 86,000 families who have access to our program, and this is the largest book gifting program in the world, by the way. Dolly had started this program in the United States, Canada, UK, Ireland, and Australia. Right now, 3.2 million children every single month receive this book, and Tustin Children will be part of that count very soon. And what we discovered after just 10 books, children improved their literacy four times. They were nine times more likely to be read to consistently. And we know if they're read to consistently, by the time they reach kindergarten, they're exposed to one to two million more words than their counterparts who may not have been read to. And then more importantly, children are building confidence. They're taking agency in their literacy experience, and they're asking to be read to. We're creating lifelong learners and readers. So this program... is now coming to our city, which I'm really, really excited about. I also wanted to thank Lynn Davis, the president of the Tustin Unified School District, for his personal contribution. Obviously, the mayor. Sorry, I'm a little bit nervous. Lee Fink, who has been integral in getting us to this point, an incredible champion and stakeholder of this program. Thank you so much, Lee, Council Member Fink. And of course, Sam Robertson with Arvita Book Company and Foundation and her team and our volunteers. Because it really does take a community to make a program like this happen. And that's exactly how Dolly designed it. She wanted to bring a community together so that we can support our littlest learners. So because of everybody around, this program's now. available, which I'm really excited about. So to commemorate the fact that you are the first city to bring it to Orange County, you have your very own stand-up dolly. And yes, this is how teeny tiny this powerful woman with a big heart, who's taught us to dream boldly, just how tiny she is. And then we also have a signed, autographed photo for the council. And then we also have books for you, some of the books that are in our program, as well as some QR codes. So families, you can sign up today Thanks to our Vita book company, and the likes of Lee, and many others who brought this to fruition. So anyway, thank you so much.

We're going to come down and take some pictures with you. I just wanted to say thank you. You said thanks to a lot of people, including the council. And this is really about getting books in the hands of kids and the effort that you and Dolly and all of her team are succeeding at. And thank you for bringing it to Tustin. We're excited for it. Thank you.

And I just want to say we're committed now more than ever to grow this program. Dolly's dream and vision that every single child will have access to books remains. and we're building the program. So if anyone wants to be part of it, we do have an advisory committee. We meet on a monthly basis and help us bring it to the rest of Orange County. Anyway, I digress.

I just want to say, I actually haven't done much, but I want to acknowledge the mayor. who helped get contact, Supervisor Wagner, who's contributed to this program, and also Supervisor Sarmiento. So both of our county supervisors have contributed from their discretionary budget funds into this program because there's still a fundraising component of this. So thanks to everybody who's involved in doing that. And we'll be fundraising more to add to that.

That's right. Thank you so much. That's what I think.

All right.

Come down and take some pictures. Does that work?

This is really how tiny this powerful woman is.

This is really how tiny I am, too. You're like a giant. All right, go ahead.

You're the big dude. Thank you so much. OK. Real quick for me, right here.

One, two, and three. Got it.

Thanks, y'all. Thank you.

Can I say one last thing, actually?

Since Sam was unable to be here, Sam Robertson from Arbita Book Company and Foundation, who is our local champion, this is what she said, which I just thought was so beautiful. Our vision is that someday getting a book in the mail every month is just a part of growing up in Tustin.

OK, like I did for the testing girls softball, if you're here for the Dolly Parton Foundation and you want to leave, go ahead. You got about 30 seconds to move on out. Okay, next we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may address the council on matters which are not on this evening's agenda, provided the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. And if you're calling in, please press star nine to raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, I have a list here. I'm gonna ask you to call off the names, please, and we'll do in-person first.

First we have Leslie and then Susan.

I'M A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING, BUT I'LL DO FINE. HI, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LESLIE AND I'M A RESIDENT OF TUSTON AND I'M HERE TO CONTINUE MY OPPOSITION OF THE FLOG SYSTEM SOFTWARE BEING USED IN THE CITY. BECAUSE OUR COMMON GROUND FOR EVIDENCE IS IN MEETING EYE TO EYE FOR THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO TRY SOMETHING NEW AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ROLE PLAY. SO I'LL PRETEND TO BE A FLOG REPRESENTATIVE AND I CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE WITH OUR SYSTEM. So, for example, if you go to the CVS down the street, there's usually only one to two people managing that store because a company that has earned $106 billion in its second quarter still needs money to be saved. And I completely understand that as a businessman, right? And so I can see that your Tustin Police Department has also maybe run into a money problem. So let's see if I can help you save some money. Theoretically, you can replace and fire about 25% of the workforce, and then we can replace those overworked eyes with our high-powered, best judgmental AI intelligence. Why not, right? You save a lot of money because AI will never go on strike, and it will never ask for a pay raise. Your other security surveillance, you can toss those right out if you want to. Or you can implement our software into them, like the Axon fuchsias, like the one you're trying to implement for the school later today. And because we need to inflate this false sense of emergency, we can implant them in the neighborhood cameras as well. Then you'll have unchecked members looking over 1,000 cameras daily without any pesky audits or warrants or false identities or false positives or stalking incidents, gathering all that data to be stored in a third-party sector. You don't need to read any of that. What's important is that I'm saving you money. And I removed you from all fault and having any moral consideration of what our system does. And I'm so proud that you overlooked the news reports, the automation, blindness, and victim statements in order to keep doing business with us. Your number one guy, your best friend, Flock, the private company whose CEO called concern and resisting citizens terrorists. I'm just like you. So thank you so much for putting us above your citizens. And don't forget, we're not liable. End scene. That was pretty bad, right? And so Tustin doesn't need Flock software anymore. You know what to do. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council members. My name is Susan Burgess, and I am a resident of Tustin and a retired teacher who spent 35 years with the Tustin Unified School District. I am all for safety and crime prevention. I am all for helping the local police and the sheriff. I am all for ways to deter crime. I am also currently much more concerned about how ICE operates in and around our city. I've spoken twice here before about the ICE raid behind Tustin High School in July. It was unnecessarily violent, and it was a targeted raid. How did the ICE agents find the guy they kidnapped? I use that word because there was no judicial warrant present. I have no idea how they found that guy, but I can sure wonder if it was through an automated license plate reader. It is on the DHS website that ICE has tapped into ALPRs as far back as 2017. So I am here to express my extreme discomfort with and opposition to surveillance camera technology for a few reasons. First, ICE agents are not lawful when they don't follow due process, and they are using it to find immigrants. That's a violation of state law. Second, the data collected by these cameras are not regulated or secure. The police officer in Costa Mesa misused the data to stalk someone, for example. Third, there is a lack of transparency around these cameras. Do people know that their vehicle's information has been entered into a database that can track where they go? I am very uncomfortable with the idea of the similar surveillance technology being used in our schools. I don't believe that it will make our children safer. On the contrary, it will increase anxiety, fear, It will degrade trust in their teachers and administrators, making it less likely that they would report dangerous behavior. Maybe surveillance technology gives some people a safer feeling, but the reality is different. The cameras are expensive, intrusive, and in some instances, unconstitutional. These cameras are an invasion of privacy. The city of Tustin and Tustin Unified should focus their investments on more guidance counselors and social services care. If we cared more for our people, we would all be better off. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Next, we have Kristen Manya and then Kevin Reyes.

Good evening. Good evening, Mayor Austin Lombard and Tustin City Council. On behalf of the United Nations Association of Orange County and the Southern California area Republican women and long-term residents of Tustin, I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to each of you for your leadership and commitment to the children and families of our community. I'm especially proud that Tustin is the first city in Orange County to adopt Dolly Parton's Imagination Library for all the children in our city. Giving a child access to books is much more than just reading. Books spark imagination, they build confidence, and they encourage curiosity and open the world of possibilities that can last a lifetime. As someone who's called Tustin home for many years, I am incredibly proud to be here today and proud to live in a city that continues to lead by example. Mayor Lombard, Lee Fink, and the rest of our city council, thank you for investing in our youngest residents and for giving them the gift of reading, learning, and dreaming. Thank you. Thank you for making Tustin a community where every child has the opportunity to imagine, grow, thrive, and dream. Thank you so much.

Next speaker, please.

Kevin Reyes.

Sorry, give me one. We'll give you back five seconds.

So hi, Tustin City Council Mayor. My name is Kevin Reyes. I am a resident of Santa Ana. And I come before you humbly asking for you guys to fund a couple of roller rink sessions at the Tustin Heritage Park. I have already successfully fundraised a session myself on a Wednesday. It was for two hours. The roller rink is held up by the Anaheim Ducks, and it's a hockey rink. So when roller skaters go there, usually it's split up between two, but it's really dangerous. to be skating around while there's hockey pucks flying around. So I was able to talk with the park manager, and we ended up getting it reserved for two hours for roller skaters. And it only cost us $200, like $200 plus the fees and stuff. And I was just wondering and hoping that since if you guys have ever heard about Holiday Skate Center in Orange, It was shut down, and roller skaters are looking for a place to skate. If you guys could fund that for us, it would only be $400. I've already run the logistics. I would be a happy volunteer as a floor guard. It would be something really good for your skaters here in Tustin, especially since you guys already have Tustin Legacy and everything going on. The race to become the city for the birthplace of artistic roller skating in the Olympics is on. Holiday was a prime contender because they had a wooden rink. There's wooden rinks being opened right now in Fountain Valley, as well as Corona. There is going to be one open up there. And so my second request is also to look into maybe opening up a wooden rink here in Tustin so that you guys could get a shot at becoming the birthplace of Olympic artistic roller skating. Orange had that chance, and they shut down Holiday Skate Center, and now it's here open for everybody. So those are just the two things that I would be asking for roller skaters in the community. If you guys could fund some time over there at Tustin Heritage Park, the roller rink, work with the Anaheim Ducks, I would happily volunteer my time to be floor guard there, and also just look into maybe making a wooden rink so that artistic roller skaters could have times after school, like The Holiday Artistic Skate Center is looking for a place to skate as well. They're looking for any time after school from 3 to 6. Kids need places to skate. We need third spaces. And roller skating, there's just so many benefits to it that people, I'm really ashamed, not ashamed, but sad that it was let go of in the place that it was. But I need to make sure that everybody gets a shot and that roller skaters have the best place to skate. So if you guys could look into those two items, I'll be speaking hopefully here a little bit more to give you guys more information. But that would really be awesome. And I look forward to hearing what you guys think. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

Next speaker, please.

We have two speakers on Zoom. The first one has the last four digits, 4317.

Hi, can you all hear me?

Yes, go ahead.

Thanks. First off, I realize the issue I'm raising is small fish compared to some of the other topics discussed today, but I really appreciate the opportunity to voice my concerns nonetheless. I'm a Tustin resident who lives nearby the Alley Grove Promenade Park. I'm calling to raise concern over the pickleball courts actually at Alley Grove. There are pretty consistently now folks who have been playing at the courts outside of park hours. Players almost always scream and break noise ordinances. It gets pretty rowdy out there. It sounds really exciting but unfortunately loud. From what I've noticed, it'll start as early as 5 a.m. and go as late as 11 p.m. or midnight in some cases. Additionally, they bring their own floodlights, which shines through our windows at times. Normally, I wouldn't see this as a major problem. Pickleball is great, and I'm so grateful to have this community space so close to home. But lately, unfortunately, it's just gotten increasingly loud. In recent weeks, the shouting has disrupted sleep and sometimes causes my dog to bark and wake up our baby. For anyone who has kids, I'm sure you can relate to how frustrating this sort of thing can be. Thankfully, I do believe there is a very simple solution, which would be to lock up and open the courts according to park hours, similar to how this is done at other Tustin parks, including the very close by Veterans Sports Park. So hopefully it wouldn't be too many resources or too much time to have whoever does that at Veterans to move on over to Alley Grove and do the same for our two courts there. Again, thank you for taking the time to hear my concerns and have a good evening.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Next, we have Kudan.

Hello?

Hi, go ahead.

Hi, can you all hear me?

We can hear you. Go ahead.

Okay. So I'm Kudan. I've come here before to resolve the issue at The public safety issue at Frontier Park, there's a disc golf course which has hurt several people, including a pregnant woman, got hit in the belly. And also my neighbor got hit in the ankle and still hurts her after six months. And I got hit as well. And so I finally got a response from Parks and Recreations with a proposal for a solution. and I wanted to address my concern regarding that I liked most of the solution, just one part of the solution that I feel like it is very victim-blaming. So, for example, I like the solution about making sure that there's a sign saying that you cannot play after dusk, that is at night, which is actually very good. having signs with arrows and directions in front of every disc golf station. I like that. I like the part about having signs telling the disc golf players to have more etiquette, be careful of their direction. And the part I didn't like was telling the pedestrians and the public to be careful because that sounds a lot to me like victim blaming and the city caring more about preventing lawsuits and protecting their own liability rather than actually public safety. And I feel like I'm concerned that it would embolden the Discord players to be even more reckless because now it feels like the city is going to be protecting them instead of us, who are actually the majority of the users there. So I'm concerned that even I am thinking if that happens, I might not even go during the day anymore. I don't even go during the day even right now. And then less of the public will go and even more of the disc golf go and end up taking over the park. So a counter solution that I propose is instead of telling the public to be careful, how about there is a dedicated phone number that the citizens can report an incident That's separate from 911 or the police department. It's just a dedicated phone number to actually report incidents so that the city can track and document it. And it would also give a heads up to the discount carrier players that there can be some consequences. And then we can have signs with the phone number. So that is... PROPOSED. I LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THOUGH. I LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THOUGH. SO, YEAH, THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, THANK YOU. AND THE REASON WHY I'M ALSO AND THE REASON WHY I'M ALSO SHARING THIS IS BECAUSE I DO SHARING THIS IS BECAUSE I DO NOW HAVE EVIDENCE. NOW HAVE EVIDENCE.

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NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE, IF THERE IS ONE. IF THERE IS ONE. IF THERE IS ONE. THAT IS ALL All right, next we have our closed session report, Mr. City Attorney.

This evening's closed session actually was canceled, so there is no closed session report.

OK, thank you. Next we have our consent calendar, Items 1 through 10. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion without discussion. Item number four on tonight's agenda will be pulled at staff's request and will be considered at a future meeting to be determined. So we're considering one through three and five through 10. Public input for the consent calendar items. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak form if you have not already. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council on items one through three or five through 10, please raise your hand or four if you wanna talk about four. Madam City Clerk, I have a list here, but I'd ask you to manage the speakers, please.

Our first speaker is Leslie and then after Leslie we'll have Domenico.

Hello again, my name is Leslie. And in regards to the agenda item number eight, which is the memorandum of understanding, looking through it, it just demonstrates to me that the focus isn't solving the root of the problem, it's simply just wanting to increase on surveillance. MY QUESTION IS, THEN, IS THIS A RESPONSE TO ICE INFILTRATING THE HIGH SCHOOL GROUNDS? BECAUSE IF FUCIOUS AXON IS IMPLEMENTED, THEN AN ICE AGENT CAN WALTZ UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DEMAND ACCESS TO THIS DATA AND VIDEO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WANTS TO BE TURNED OVER OR NOT. THERE'S NO DISPUTING THAT. YOU HAVE TO HAND IT OVER. EXCUSE ME. The MOU also itself emphasizes on safeguarding this data, but it's naive to think that Axon wouldn't share this data already when they've already had issues with their user term agreements and then sharing law credentials already in other cities and states as well. If your solution is to change the language or use of terms in this memorandum, you'll just be following the footsteps of the Costa Mesa City Council, who they also had something like this. And they disregarded the voice of 70-something residents of their town and instead obeyed their own judgment and then gave their loyalty to this private company. Saying yes to this is catastrophic. And it just demonstrates you're all scared of your community. It's appalling and embarrassing, if that means anything at this point, from how many times I've come here to just talk about ALPR and just data prevention and privacy. The focus shouldn't be what the technology does. It's who it serves and who it does it to, which in this case would be students and teachers. So I guess... If you are going to say yes, I guess just be ready when a parent comes up to you and then they ask you why you didn't protect their Bethany or their Carlos, their Jennifer, their Angie, their James, their Emma, their Henry, their Luis, their Susan, and then your answer was, but we put a camera up. And if you care about these children, don't punish them. You have to say no to this memorandum of understanding. Thank you.

Next speaker, please.

Good evening, Mayor and council members. Earlier this year, I came before you to raise some concerns about the use of emerging public safety surveillance technology and the importance of making sure privacy, transparency, and accountability keep pace with these tools. Heard about it already. I'm back tonight because I see some of those same issues raised by agenda item number eight, the MOU between the Tustin Unified School District and the Tustin Police Department. I first want to acknowledge that the MOU does appear to include meaningful safeguards. The district retains control of its cameras. Emergency access is defined. Non-emergency retrieval requires district permission, and access is limited to authorized personnel. I also understand the very real public safety benefit of giving responding officers better information during an emergency at one of our schools. My concern is less about whether authorized personnel should ever have access and more about how we make sure that access is always used appropriately. We continue to see and hear stories around the country involving personnel who were fully authorized to use surveillance technology but then misused that access for personal or improper purposes. Those incidents can understandably undermine public confidence and trust, while also creating unnecessary legal, financial, and reputational risk for the agencies involved. They also remind us that authorization and training alone are not the same thing as accountability. So I would encourage the city and the department to make safeguards as concrete and verifiable as possible. For example, Every access to a school camera logged, including who accessed it, when, and for what reason? Are those logs periodically audited, and how long is downloaded footage retained? And if video is shared with another local, state, or federal agency, is that disclosure documented and reviewed? I'd also encourage some appropriate periodic public reporting so residents can understand how often this system is actually being used and under what kinds of circumstances. I don't believe public safety and privacy have to be competing interests. Strong safeguards, meaningful auditing, and transparency can help us have both and give the public confidence that these technologies are being used the way they were intended. I appreciate the council's attention to those questions and any follow-up that may be appropriate. Thank you for your time and for your service to the city of Tustin.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Next, we have Lena Nguyen. And then after Lena will be Michelle.

Hello, my name is Lena. Although I live in Santa Ana, I do live near Tustin and I frequent this city. I'm here to speak on agenda item number eight, which is the Memorandum of Understanding between the Tustin Unified School District and the Tustin Police Department and I am in opposition of the city receiving and filing this memo. The memo is intended to provide the police with access to cameras in the district schools and facilities. The memo is for limited access only, but without oversight or accountability, the risk for misuse cannot be ignored. As you may know, Justin Kosamesa, as brought up earlier, a former police officer, retained access to the surveillance system that he was not supposed to have and used it to stalk and confront multiple men and women. This was an entirely preventable scenario that went on for years in a police department that claimed they did weekly audits to stop this very scenario. The details on the memo are sparse that I cannot trust that the police department or the school district have strong processes or systems in place to protect schoolchildren and school staff from cases of misuse and unauthorized access. Additionally, I have concerns on the potential data collection of children and false alarms. Police access to surveillance systems has shown that these are real risks that can harm innocent children. This should not be a case of allowing access and only examining its flaws after something horrific occurs. Speaking on the proposed benefits, I do not trust that this will improve safety and efficiency. Despite public safety being the police's main goal, it has been shown that police presence overall does not make for safer schools, does not protect children, and actually interferes with their education. With this in mind, the risks and uncertainties do not outweigh the benefits, and I believe the council should reject this memo. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker, please. If you want to speak and you haven't filled out a card yet, please do so so we can keep them going.

City Councilor, Mayor, you've probably seen me a couple of times, but my name is Michelle, and I've been a resident of Tustin for about eight years now. Today, I've come to voice my opposition on the usage of the use of accessibility on school grounds. While there's a myriad of concerns already following its parent company, Axon, what startles me is allowing a breach of privacy to numerous unsuspecting family and students that haven't been notified already of this agenda right now. While safety and first response is all well and said, many of these individuals are not aware they're being actively recorded and potentially watched from different angles by police officers. It's already a state law in California that minors should not be filmed under any circumstances. Data is contained indefinitely with the fuchsia axon system. It continues to build and build forever, creating an insane backlog. There's already a notorious case here in California when defense attorney Rick Horowitz, apologies on his pronunciation, representing his juvenile client, is forced to do unnecessary hurdles to obtain records for his client. But because of these very lecherous terms and agreements, he was being forced to choose whether to represent his client fairly in the court of law. I am all for the police being adequately prepared to do their jobs, but increasing surveillance, especially to an underrepresented group that do not actively know how to represent their rights, does not make a community safer. It will create a rift in trust. As much of a defense of saying you have the most ethical police department, you have the best officers for the task, there will always be a failing in that system. There will always be a misidentification. There will always be an accidental false alarm. And to send police officers ready for a problem to a vulnerable place as a school is troubling enough. I'll ask who here in the council at the police station will be responsible when, an example is the next ICE raid will happen. That threat is always going to be there. And will you be the ones to refuse when a federal ICE agent demands that you hand over all this pretty new data you've practically curated for them to misuse? I'll pull up this paragraph in the MOU agenda, which states otherwise, the department may share or release video information to other local state or federal law enforcement slash public safety agencies during the performance of duty to enhance a coordinated public safety response to investigation. I ask you to reconsider and not connect the fuchsia system to school districts. School should be a safe place to go to, not the next prediction of when danger is going to strike next. You'll only be cleaning up a mess of your own making if you continue down this route. Thank you.

Thanks for your comments. Next speaker, please.

We have one speaker on Zoom, Andrea Foster.

Hello. Can you hear me?

Yes, we can. Go ahead.

Great. Thank you. My name is Andrea Foster. I'm a resident of Tustin, and I am asking the City Council to oppose the MOU between Tustin Unified School District and Tustin Police Department to bring the Axon Fuses system to our schools. These cameras are tracking our movements and building detailed databases on all of us. It does not matter which company's cameras are watching. They all share the same problems. There's no transparency, no oversight, and no accountability for how our data is collected, stored, or misused, all of which means no privacy. I do not, as a mother and future Test and Unified parent, support bringing these systems into our school and delivering images of our children to a company over which we have no control. While technically legal, it is a flagrant violation of the spirit of the Fourth Amendment, which protects us against unreasonable search and seizure. Now, we're all monitored all the time, and this MOU will extend this to our children with no suspicion of wrongdoing. I urge you not to allow this MOU to move forward. Thank you.

Thank you. Do we have any other speakers?

No, Mr. Mayor.

Anybody in the room? Okay. I do have one request to pull an item from the consent calendar Mayor Pro Tem Schnell is requested to pull item eight. Do I have any other requests? Item 10?

Nine and 10?

Council Member Fink is requested to pull items number nine and 10. So we have eight, nine, and 10 being pulled. Any other requests? Okay, do I have a motion for the balance? Make a motion. Second. We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk?

Council Member Nielsen?

Yes.

Council Member Fink?

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher? Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Schnell? Aye. Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. Item number eight probably does not need an introduction, but it is the Memorandum of Understanding with Tessin Unified School District and Tessin Police Department.

Mayor Pro Tem. Great, thank you. Appreciate it, Mr. Mayor. I just want to acknowledge all the comments that the folks have made out there tonight, stating their opposition to this Memorandum of Understanding. I personally am a big proponent of public safety, have been a big proponent of school safety, and actually very supportive of this MOU. The intent of this is not to surveil children or students. It's just to, in a moment of crisis, to allow the police to be prepared to actually show up and respond appropriately to keep our children safe. I heard a couple of words, you know, catastrophic. Catastrophic is the death of a child. Unfortunately, we live in a society where we've seen way too much violence at our schools and on our streets. And this is an attempt to actually try to protect our kids. young boys and girls that are going to school and avoid something that's much more catastrophic, which is, again, the death of a child. Schools should be a place of safety. One of the speakers actually said that. I agree that schools should be a place where children can go ENJOY THEIR DAYS, THEY CAN LEARN, AND THEY CAN COME BACK TO THEIR PARENTS. SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THE CITY MANAGER, AND ESPECIALLY TUSSEN UNIFIED FOR THE COLLABORATION THAT WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT GUARD RAILS ON THIS PROGRAM AND TO ASSURE THAT IT'S DEPLOYED PROPERLY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATION. that police can be prepared to show up and they can be prepared to save lives. So again, with that, I would move the item, Mr. Mayor.

OK, we have a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? I'll entertain further comments. Motion and a second. You want to speak?

Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. And I'll echo everything that Councilmember Schnell said. But I also want to address folks who have spoken about this specifically on two fronts. One is... These are not, and I'll ask the city manager to correct me if I'm wrong on this point, or the chief of police is back there. But these are not cameras that the city is installing or that the city owns. These are cameras that the school district has on campus. And I see the chief nodding his head yes, and I've got this right. So these are cameras. Our decision tonight, one way or another, doesn't change whether there's going to be the cameras in the schools. Those are there. The school district has decided that that's an important thing to have, and I'll address that in a moment. But our decision tonight is whether or not, with the cameras that the school district has, whether in circumstances that I think Mr. Pagone mentioned are limited, and maybe we don't have it all right, but I think we've got a lot there, that the police can access that, whether it's an active shooter situation or a subsequent investigation. This simply allows the trained law enforcement to deal with those. I realize and I recognize the concerns of Ms. Foster mentioned a future TUSD parent, that's me, coming too. The concerns that the parents have that kids would have, but those cameras are there. So we're not making that decision. The decision tonight is allowing a situation whereby the trained law enforcement folks can have access when it's necessary. So I just wanted to point that out. The second thing I wanted to raise is I also agree with who said this, Lena, says that more police does not necessarily mean safer schools. And I know that. I know our police department tries to find ways to ensure safety without a police presence to make sure that it is not a situation where kids, or when it's not in schools out in the world, do not feel like they're inundated by a police where it's not necessary. So I agree with that, but I do think that's the philosophy. the third thing is I do understand the comments that have been made that relate this to the flock camera issues and the ice issues that have been brought up and I'll just say a couple things about that briefly one is again the school district is looking it has these cameras has this technology and I think all you know the concerns are valid but I think folks would understand having these at schools and the concerns that the school district have, the parents might have, that are different than us as adults out in the world might have as to the flock cameras. The second is I know that our police department is committed to following California law, which prohibits sharing resources and information with ICE for immigration enforcement. I know that the school district is committed to following California law to make sure that there's not sharing of information for immigration enforcement. The incident that Ms. Burgess mentioned behind Tustin High School with ICE a month or two back now, one of the biggest concerns of the school board members was the school safety and how to respond in the event of further ICE activity and making sure that the kids were not being the subject of immigration enforcement. So I will mention FLOC briefly later, but I share a lot of the concerns that have been raised about FLOC. And I understand the concerns that are here about this, but these cameras are there. They're going to be employed by the school district. I do think it makes the most sense to make sure that if they're being used, they're being employed, to make sure that we have it in the hands of our public safety professionals to make sure that we can use them well. I appreciate the comments on making sure they're safeguards. I was trying to take notes. I'm probably going to follow up with you more later to make sure that some of these ideas that we can implement them. But I do think that it's important that on this, and I think that's different than the other things that folks are talking about. But I think this MOU does make sense. So thank you, Mayor. Councilman Gallagher.

I'll keep my comments brief and really focused on the questions tonight that were for item A. And Councilmember Fink is correct. These are not our cameras. These belong to TUSD. This is just giving us access. And in 2025, there was over 200 school shootings. The year before that, over 300. This is the reality we live in. I have small children that are in our local elementary schools, and they have to practice active shooter training. I didn't do that when I was a kid. That's the reality today. And if we're putting our kids through that and we're teaching them that every minute matters, we better be doing our part to keep our kids safe. And to me, this is extremely important because every minute matters. And what this MOU does is it gives access to the police to respond quickly, efficiently, and safely for everyone. And so I adamantly approve this item tonight.

Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm not going to go over the ground that everybody else has talked about. I'm just going to say that... I thank TUSD for having a cooperative attitude and looking to trying to make things safer for our kids in schools. And I think that is a first step and hopefully many other steps that the city and the school district can work together on to improve the education and safety of our students. Also, I want to thank the police department and Chief Talese. Thank you for putting this together. I know that reading through it, there's a ton of guardrails on this. So thank you for working through that. So that's all I have, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. I guess I'll reiterate some points that have already been made, but put a little different, a finer point on the constitutional issues. This is not a clear-cut issue as far as the surveillance, government surveillance of our society and where that's going. It's not the vote that we're taking tonight, to Councilmember Fink's point, but cameras in the public right-of-way, I suspect, will be litigated and will go before the Supreme Court. This is a real issue, you know, and To those who say that there are cameras everywhere, that's true, but the Constitution prohibits government from invading privacy, where a private company doesn't have those prohibitions necessarily under federal law. So it's not easy. And I think what we're trying to communicate tonight to our community is that we're listening to the concerns. We have similar concerns. I don't want folks looking at my kids in school if it's not necessary. But in the event of an emergency, I absolutely want the police to be able to see what's going on inside that school and be able to respond appropriately. So I also support it. And Madam City Clerk? Please call the roll.

Council Member Nielsen.

Yes.

Council Member Fink.

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher. Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Schnell. Aye. Mayor Lombard. Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. All right, next is item number nine that was pulled by Council Member Fink, recommendation of proposals to proceed to round two for the competitive offering for 44 acres of city-owned real property within neighborhoods D and E of the Tustin Legacy Specific Plan. Council Member Fink.

Mayor, I just wanted to just briefly make sure that we had this item out in discussion. Obviously, it's a large chunk of property that we're I lost the word I was going to use. Hurdling towards development. But hurdling is not the right word. But we're moving forward towards development of it. And I appreciate, I see Jeff from our broker who spent a lot of time briefing folks yesterday. I wanted to say this about it. There was one concept that was proposed that I'm disappointed didn't make the final cut, which is, I think it was like 500 square feet of office space. IMPRESSIVE, ALMOST ICONIC OFFICE ENTRANCE ALONG BARANCA THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN IMPRESSIVE ENTRANCE AND ADDITION TO THE CITY. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR and others, about that. And they sort of convinced me that that project had enough holes in its funding and its setup to make it not necessarily the right developer. But as we go forward, I want us to think about the concept there. because there's a couple that do our really big office sort of landmark buildings with developers that maybe have their pieces a little bit together. And the point that sort of came up on this was, how much do we want to get this done now? That idea might take longer. And the thing that convinced me is that idea might take infinite. It might not happen. Because as I said, and so I wanted to share with the council as we go forward, if it's something that's sort of iconic, something that's sort of a landmark, I know that we are all very committed to getting stuff done at the Legacy quickly. But if it took a couple extra years to do something that's really unique and special down there, we should be willing to take that time. We don't want to wait forever. And so they convinced me of that. But as we go back and do the next steps, I encourage our brokers, our staff, our ad hoc committee, encourage the bidders as they come in with their second phase that we're approving now to really look at something that's That's really sort of a landmark like that. So I want to just ask that they do that as they come back.

Mr. Mayor?

Yeah, Council Member Nielsen, and then I'll come to you.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First of all, I want to thank the ad hoc for all the work they did on this. I know that going through each of the proposals and how many proposals there were and comparing them all along with our real estate folks, it's... It's a heavy lift. It really is. So thank you very much for doing that, first of all. Second of all, Council Member Fink mentioned time frame. Serving on the council earlier than most of you, well, definitely all of you, we had development at one development site per year, basically. Very, very slow. And what happened to us was that the city or the state decided to get involved and put on more regulation. And that's going to continue because the state wants to push their priorities versus what Tustin's priorities are. So the longer we wait to do development, the longer we are at risk for Sacramento doing centralized planning. And I don't think that's good for anyone in Tustin. But we do want to be careful, certainly. I think that's a valid point. And I think that the ad hoc committee has done a superb job at doing that. Thank you, Mr. Rapp.

Mr. Gallagher.

WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER NEILSON. NEILSON. I WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE I WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO THE STAFF AS WELL AND OUR TO THE STAFF AS WELL AND OUR BROKER. BROKER. THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK. THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK. AND I THINK THAT REALLY SAYS AND I THINK THAT REALLY SAYS SOMETHING. SOMETHING. IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL AND I IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL AND I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY AGREE, THINK YOU'D PROBABLY AGREE, THIS IS THE MOST ROBUST THIS IS THE MOST ROBUST TURNOUT I THINK WE'VE EVER SEEN. TURNOUT I THINK WE'VE EVER SEEN. THE AMOUNT OF THE IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT. AND THESE ARE ALL TOP-NOTCH DEVELOPERS. I MEAN, NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE BUILDING ICONIC FACILITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND SO I'M PROUD THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS CULTIVATED A TEAM THAT HAS CREATED THE ATMOSPHERE WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING. I THINK THAT'S CLEARLY A REFLECTION OF THE WORK THAT OUR TEAM IS DOING TO ATTRACT THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT FROM THIS LEVEL OF PLAYER. AND SO WITH THAT SAID, It is a complicated process to balance all these land use needs, the market needs, and trying to time all this. I can tell you, having been in this seat for a while, I've seen a lot of pretty pictures never happen, because the pretty pictures don't always pencil. And so you really do have to balance and scrutinize and dig in. I will say, though, when you talk about iconic, We don't necessarily want to, and this is something that we've been talking about with the community through all of these interactions, is that we've laid out the framework plan. A lot of you might remember if you went there, in the central part of the Tustin Corps is where we're really focusing on creating some real iconic, there's some iconic opportunities there to pay tribute to our military heritage, to create some civic centers, to do some really large parks. And so those iconic structures won't be everywhere because we have to balance the cost to be able to pay for those. And so we're always trying to find that balance. And so there will be those iconic opportunities. They just won't be everywhere. And they will be consistent with what we have been communicating with the public and what we've been hearing in response. So I just want to make those comments from the ad hoc.

I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. I AGREE THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, THOUGH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS TO INCORPORATE SOME FEEDBACK OF, HEY, LET'S, IF WE'VE GOT A REAL COOL CONCEPT, LET'S SEE IF IT CAN WORK OUT. AND I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IT LOOKED INTERESTING.

COULD I JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK I USED THE WORD ICONIC, BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD I MET. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.

YEAH, THAT IS THE WORD. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HURDLE TOWARDS THE VOTE. SO MADAM CITY CLERK, CAN YOU TAKE THE VOTE

Council Member Nielsen?

Yes.

Council Member Fink?

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher? Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Schnell?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard? Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. Item number 10 was pulled by Council Member Fink, and it's the first reading of Ordinance 1582, amending Tustin City Code Chapter 4, Section 1415, powers and duties generally. Council Member Fink.

Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this, and look, I appreciate that staff has brought this forward to try to sort of clean up our city code, get some consistency with it, and I think that's important. But as we're going through it, I realize that perhaps that consistency may take us substantively in the wrong direction and suggest that we might want to change the course about this. So what it is is the public. It's cleaning up the code so that it talks about how the city manager would appoint the city clerk and the city treasurer, and the city clerk issue was sort of taken care of, I don't know, a dozen years ago or so. The city treasurer is an issue that sort of, I guess, was done as to the specific treasurer with the resolution at one point. So, My point is this. I think that perhaps we might be going in the wrong direction and suggest that we go the other way. And although this item came up, what sort of triggered my mind about it was something that happened in Huntington Beach recently. And I am not one who usually uses the city of Huntington Beach as a standard bearer for best practices. But as they were coming up with something, they have a separately elected treasurer who's also the current treasurer was appointed but they have a separately elected treasurer and there was a matter being discussed and the treasurer said to the city council I believe if you do this in five years the city will file chapter nine bankruptcy now I have no idea if that's an accurate statement if it's if it's the right analysis but what it showed to me was that it is is a separate independent voice giving feedback to the city council about how the city government ought to function. And it is a separate piece of oversight. So right now, as we sort of have it and as we're going forward with these code amendments, we create a single point with the city manager appointing the city clerk, appointing the city treasurer, instead of having some other checks. was sort of praising our current city manager and the team that's assembled and moving forward. And in some ways, the most dangerous time to make changes like this, to address this, is when things are good, because you assume that there's always going to be an effective system, right? So this is not at all about our current city manager or staff. In fact, it's the opposite. In some ways, as we're going forward, well, it seems like we can do this. as opposed to saying wait a second it's a good idea to have a couple of city staffers whose job is dependent on the city council solely and not solely on the city manager so in case there is a problem there is a separate check now as a practical matter a lot of times especially when things are going well as they are we won't have those issues but as we set this up i think it's an issue so i actually would suggest that we we send this back and and sort of go back to having the council appoint directly the city treasurer rather than amending the code to go the other way.

Mr. Mayor.

Go ahead, Councilmember Nielsen.

So being around when actually the elected city clerk was changed to being an appointed city clerk, I think that was in 2015 if I remember right. One of the arguments there, and also we'll talk about treasurer in just a second, but for the city clerk, it was becoming political, a little more political than it needs to be, and creating an issue, and so that was changed. So the treasurer, unfortunately, Mr. Jeffries passed away, who was the independent treasurer at the time, and then it was appointed to the finance director position, To be honest, I had thought the city manager and the new regime here already had that authority. But to kind of talk a little bit about Councilmember Fink's points, I think it's good to investigate these things. I think it's good to look through them. But I think we are the check on the city manager. Our council is. We take care of the city manager, meaning we hire them. We hopefully never do fire them. And we work with them. And we're the check on the appointed city clerk or for any of the directors in our city. So I think that's enough of a check for me. I applaud the fact that Council Member Fink is looking at other checks. But I think it's probably more redundant than necessary. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Councillor Gallagher? Yeah.

I sounded so exhausted when you said that.

I had to call on you. Go ahead.

So Huntington Beach, I believe their treasurer is elected. And that comes with a whole other host of issues. One of the things that's so amazing about Tustin is that it's just not very political. It's focused on what's the best thing for the community. And the politics just really stop at the door. And I think that's what's really special about our community. And I'm just so leery of taking any steps that bring us closer to the council's appointing these different positions. But I do understand the concern about having the checks and balances. I will say for the financials, which is really the most important one, and that's the example you gave, is that we do have a third-party audit. I believe it's every year. And so we are having our financials audited. And I think to Councilmember Nielsen's point as well, that it's then on us as the fiduciary backstop to make sure that our city manager's not sneaking one by us.

All right, I'll just say that I agree with the perspective of having more oversight. I also agree with the approach of funneling the authority and our oversight into one office and holding that person accountable for the operation. And I also want to raise that, you know, I see my role as a mayor and as a council person as a citizen, relying on professional advice from professional staff members. And I think that's why we've gone where we have. And in this instance, or a city attorney, also in Huntington Beach, where it's directly elected, I think you run into the risk of politicizing the offices. And I would prefer to maintain our oversight as a citizen body over professionals, from my perspective.

Can I just clarify something about what I'm saying? And I appreciate what everyone's saying. And we may talk about this a little more later. But I'm not suggesting that any of these positions convert to elected positions. And I agree with everybody about that. I'm just talking about appointments and how those work. So I just wanted to clarify.

Understood.

I'm not in favor of an elected city attorney like they have in Huntington Beach.

All right. Thank you.

Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

Mr. Mayor.

Yes, Mr. City Attorney. We're missing a motion and second on that one, as well as the item number nine. So on this one for now.

Item 10, I'll make a motion. Do we have a second? Okay, Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

For item number nine, I mean, I'm sorry. We're doing 10 first. Council Member Nielsen?

Yes.

Council Member Fink?

Nay.

Council Member Gallagher?

Aye.

Mayor Pro Tem Schnell?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 4-1 with Council Member Fink dissenting.

All right, let's reopen item number nine. I'll move staff recommendation. Do I have a second? I'll make a second. OK, Madam City Clerk, we'll call for item number nine again, please.

Council Member Nielsen? Yes. Council Member Fink?

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher?

Aye.

Mayor Pro Tems-Chanel?

Aye.

Mayor Lumber?

DAVID, IF YOU WERE ELECTED, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE GOT THAT. SO THANK YOU. AYE. AYE.

MOTION PASSES 5-0. CREDIT GOES TO THE CLERK, BY THE WAY.

NEXT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE ONE ITEM TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TENANT OF PARCEL-MAPPED SUBDIVISION CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DESIGN REVIEW AND DENSITY BONUS REQUEST FOR THE CLEARWATER AT TUSTON LEGACY SENIOR LIVING PROJECT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING SENIOR PLANNER JORGE MALDONADO TO THE PODIUM FOR PRESENTATION.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for the introduction. Council members, let's go ahead and dive right into the project. Before you tonight, we have an application from Confluent Development, who is proposing to build a senior living community on an approximately six-acre city-owned parcel in the Tustin Legacy area. The project is named Clearwater at Tustin Legacy. The project includes two separate buildings with distinct uses and purposes. Building one is a five-story structure and is composed of 172 apartments for active seniors. Twenty-six of these units would be income restricted for lower income households. Building two is two stories and is an assisted living and memory care facility with 103 rooms with a capacity for 134 beds. Both buildings include first floor parking garages. The project includes a variety of entitlement applications, as shown at the top of the slide. The project site is at the corner of Warner Avenue and Armstrong Avenue, and is identified in red in the slide before you. Again, this is an approximately six-acre city-owned parcel, and it is currently vacant. It is bounded by Veterans Way to the east, as well as John Johnson Way to the south, across which will be the future Tustin Legacy Park extension, and the landing neighborhood is beyond that even further south. Building 1, or the active adult building, sits on the left or west side of the site plan here. Building 2, or the assisted living facility, is on the right. The main entry is taken from the south, from John Johnson Way, which feeds a central roundabout that serves passenger loading and drop-off, as well as both buildings' parking structures. A secondary driveway is located on Veterans Way to the right, or the east, and serves the assisted living facility directly. The project includes a subdivision to split the site into two parcels for conveyance purposes only, and the lot line is represented by the dash red line at the center of the site plan. The project also includes a variety of public improvements, such as the construction and installation of sidewalks, parkway landscaping, and more as described in the development agreement. Here are select elevations from the plan set. On the left is building one, the active adult building. Again, it is five stories and about 71 feet tall at its tallest point. And this building is located right at the intersection of Warner and Armstrong. On the right is building two, the care facility. It is two stories and stands a little more than 35 feet tall at its tallest point. Both buildings are proposed in an earthy, muted color palette with accent materials, including things such as hardy board siding, plaster, and various textures and limestone. The project includes a density bonus request for Building 1, the active adult community. Because 26 units are being reserved for lower income households, the applicant is entitled to a 38.75% density bonus, bringing the total number of allowable residential units up to 173. The applicant proposes to develop only 172 of those units. The density bonus request includes one incentive request and development standard waivers as described in the report. This planning area within the Tustin Legacy Specific Plan allows assisted living facilities subject to obtaining a conditional use permit or CUP. Assisted living facilities serve seniors who need help with activities of daily living such as bathing, dressing, meals, and medication management. Memory care is a subset of assisted living and would be provided in a separate secure wing with specifically trained staff for residents with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia. The proposed facility includes 103 rooms with capacity for 134 beds for assisted living residents. The facility would be licensed and regulated by the California Department of Social Services and includes high-quality amenities for its residents, including more than 18,000 square feet of a secured interior courtyard and other amenities such as an on-site salon, a communal dining room, and more. As it relates to CEQA and environmental review, an addendum was prepared for this project. The addendum evaluated this project against the most recent Supplemental Environmental Impact Report, or EIR, adopted in late 2024 from when the city added residential capacity to the legacy area to comply with ARENA requirement. The addendum concludes that the project is within the scope of development already analyzed by that previous supplemental EIR and that there would be no new significant effects. Therefore, no additional environmental review, such as a new supplemental EIR, is required. All mitigation measures applicable to this project are carried forward into the conditions of approval. On August 11, the Planning Commission adopted Resolution 4553, finding the sale of city-owned land for the development of this project to be in conformance with the general plan. AS WELL AS RESOLUTION 4554 RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE SEQUA ADDENDUM AND APPROVE THE PROJECT. THEREFORE TONIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL One, to adopt resolution 26-43, adopting the CEQA addendum and approving the project. And two, introducing and conducting first reading by title only of ordinance 1580 for the development agreement, which sets the terms and public benefits for building on and selling the city-owned site. That concludes my presentation, and I am happy to take any questions.

Thank you. This is a public hearing, so we're going to receive public input. But do we have any questions for staff before that? No? OK. We may call you back up here in a second. Thank you for the presentation. Next, we have public input for this item. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them. And if you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any request to speak?

No, Mr. Mayor.

Anybody in the room? Okay, we'll close public input. And I'm gonna note for the record that we did receive two e-comments for this item. One was from Gabriel Groen and the other from the Kennedy Commission. And these comments were distributed to the city council and made available to the public on the city's website. With that, I'm gonna close the public hearing, bring it back to council for questions, comments, or discussion. Anybody want to start? Councilman Gallagher.

I'm sorry we don't have a lot of questions. We've just been talking about this for so long. I think we've already got them all answered. It's exciting to be here today and have the opportunity to vote on this project. It's something that we have been working on for a long time. I don't even want to guess how many years it's been. And I know the project almost didn't happen, and ultimately it pulled through. And I'm proud of what was presented today and what WHAT A RESOURCE IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ITS RESIDENTS, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S NEEDED. THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE IN HIGH DEMAND, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT'S BEAUTIFULLY DONE AND IS GOING TO BE IN A VERY CENTRAL LOCATION. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT AND JUST WANT TO THANK THE TEAM FOR, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND KEPT MOVING ALONG, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE CITY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTE. I will echo what Councilmember Gallagher said. I'm very, very supportive of this project. I think we started talking about this four years ago when I got on City Council, so it's been a while. But very glad to see that it's moving toward a successful conclusion. Hats off to staff. Again, there's been lots of twists and turns, but I'm glad that we're finally at a point where we can move this project forward, and I think it's two years until they open So just to kind of pull back on the Tustin legacy, Councilmember Nielsen actually mentioned when he was on city council, they were maybe disposing of one parcel every year. Just in the last two years alone, we've got 140 acres of land that's out. either shovels in the ground or out to disposition. And it really is a testament to the city council and also to staff. We've really pushed staff very hard to accelerate the pace of development in the Tustin Legacy, which is, again, just a major economic driver, not only today, but also for generations to come. We're also very, very much focused on building a very cohesive community out in the Tustin Legacy. We have 450 acres of land, which is a blessing. to build out. And we're building it out in a very thoughtful, prescriptive way to serve the needs of a growing community, but also an aging community. And when you look across those 140 acres of land that are out for disposition or being built, there's all sorts of housing stock. And we need it all. We've got market rate. We've got apartments. We have senior housing. We've got affordable housing. So again, very, very proud of the work that the ad hoc has done. You're kind of getting a drink through a fire hose and then putting that fire hose on staff. But again, very supportive. I think it's the right project at the right time. And like I said, I definitely approve it.

Thank you. Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to give kudos to the Planning Commission, who very seldom is mentioned from our dais. I just want to thank the commissioners for going through this project in depth. And I learned a lot by reading the minutes and also seeing the video on the questions that they'd asked. So I want to thank the Planning Commission members for thoughtfully addressing that. So thank them very much. I always like to see senior projects in Tustin since I'm a senior. It works out really well. But, you know, something I'd like to see, which would be nice, is maybe looking at a little more integration between some of the senior projects we have in town already and this one to integrate a little more with the Tustin Senior Center. I think doing that and creating more of a synergy there I think is very important. So that's what I have on this one. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Council Member Fink?

Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to ask two questions based on the written comments that we've received. And so the first one is about the letter from the Kennedy Commission. First of all, I think there's an error in what they said. They said there's a hundred and three in the memory assisted care living, and there's only 75. Is that right?

As it relates to the project, there's a difference between the residential units that are provided in Building 1, which are the active adult component, versus the assisted living facility, which is seen as an institutional use rather than a residential use. So what the Kennedy Commission is referring to in their letter just does not apply to the institutional component of this project.

So you're jumping ahead and partially answering what was going to be my second question, which is good. But just as a fact matter, they say there's 103 in the institutional, the memory care, where it's 75 in the memory care, if I'm right from the presentation here, right? They just had the numbers wrong.

I'm not familiar or I'm not specifically recalling the numbers that were written in the Kennedy Commission's letter, but your numbers are correct. Okay. Yeah. So there's 75. Okay.

There's 75. They put 103. So I just wanted to let them know they had that all, just the facts a little bit wrong. And the second point is what you were answering, which I appreciate because it was exactly what I was getting to next, which is that surplus land act requirement for 15% applies only to the active living project and not the other projects for the assisted care, right? Correct. Okay. And I appreciate, I'll just make this comment and then go to my second set of questions, which might be for the but I appreciate the Kennedy Commission's concern about that making sure that a we're living up to the SLA requirements and be making sure that we're trying to get as much affordable for both sides for the entire project it ends up being 15% for the side that the SLA applies to 10% overall, which is still okay. And I also know that the twists and turns, let's say that this project has been through to get this and the alternatives would, you know, are likely not to have this. So I appreciate their perspective, but I do think that getting to this point is important. The second question I have, and it's just based on this comment from this written comment. And, um, It's really just a suggestion, and I don't even know if it would – I don't think that it would need to be – anything needs to be changed to do this. The commenter suggested raising the crossings to the – I guess to the sidewalk. in the sort of mid-block area. And is that something that the developer can do with these entitlements as it is? I mean, that seems to me to be a minor thing that they could do if they think it ends up being a good idea.

Connectivity is absolutely important and looked at during the design process for these kinds of entitlement projects. And the conditions actually for this project allow that conversation to occur if the developer so chose to install a mid-block crossing. But as of right now now, the current design does not incorporate a mid-block crossing. Usually, as it is in government regulations, there needs to be a line in the sand somewhere where we start talking about whether something is necessary or not. And the fact of the matter is that John Johnson Way along this stretch of the project does not necessitate a mid-block crossing given its low traffic volumes, its low speeds. There's access to crosswalks at either end of John Johnson at Veterans Way and So it was a conversation, and the option is there, but not part of this design.

And that's all I'd ask for. I have no idea. It seems written from the commenter, Gabe Groen, who I know seems like it might be a good idea. Always good to solicit ideas from folks. It may work, it may not work. I just ask that this comment, make sure we pass that on to the developer team. They might think it's an easy improvement and switch to make, but I wouldn't add any condition or want to change anything about that. I just thought it was an interesting comment. That is always good to get a little bit more information. I'll just second all the thoughts that have been stated about this project. It's really good to have a senior project. We're all going to need that. We'll probably need a lot more of that space, some of us sooner than later. But I appreciate that it's moving forward, and thanks for the work on this.

Thank you. And I think the point that you're making is maybe a more general one, both for our staff and for the applicant here and future partners, is we want to make sure we're activating our linear park and that folks can get from where they live to where they can play. And if there's an easy fix to make that easier and safer, let's do that. But with that, I will move staff recommendation. Do I have a second? I'll make a second. Motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

Council Member Nelson? Yes. Council Member Fink?

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher?

Aye.

Mayor Pro Temschanel?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. We will now move on to other business. Mr. City Manager, do you have a report tonight?

Thank you, Mayor. I do have a couple updates. I wanted to let everybody know about the Tustin Police Department's Tip a Cop event. It's occurring on September 10 from 5 PM to 9 PM at the Red Robin Restaurant at the district. This event is done in partnership between our officers and the Special Olympic athletes who will be joining servers to help raise funds for the Special Olympics Southern California. Best of all, 20% of the evening's sales will be donated directly to the Special Olympics of Southern California. Also, we talked about some financing items and budget. I'm really proud to announce that our finance team has yet again, for the 39th consecutive year, received the Certificate of Achievement for Excellence in Financial Reporting. from the Government Finance Officers Association. So congratulations to the entire finance team, and a big thank you to our city council and all the city departments that contribute to the success of creating and reporting those financial matters. And that concludes my update.

Thank you. Mr. City Attorney, do you have a report tonight?

No further report this evening.

Okay. With that, we'll move it back to the council for our reports. Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a few things for this evening. Kind of going back because of our last meeting was a little, everybody was running to the In-N-Out Burger truck. So we tried to keep my comments very brief because people were hungry and drooling. On August the 13th, I had the privilege of attending the joint meeting of the Board of Directors for the Transportation Corridor Agency in the stead of our Mayor Pro Tem and a couple of items that we covered. We designated labor negotiators. We had a quarterly procurement report for fourth quarter for fiscal year 26. We also had fiscal year 26 strategic plan and the status and how things are going on that. And an annual investment portfolio review and an update on the 241-91 express connector construction bid phase update. So we did cover quite a bit. in our meeting. And I won't go over in the details, but it was quite productive. And then just after that, amazingly enough, I had lunch with our esteemed Mayor Pro Town. I don't know how that worked. I went to a meeting for him on one day and lunch with him the next day. But anyway, we had a great lunch. It was good. And he was coming back from out of town. So it was good. We caught up on TCA. And then August 25th, along with many of my colleagues, attended the dedication and reopening of Camino Real Park and the shade structure, which is absolutely awesome, and a new playground, which is just as awesome. So if you have a chance to go over there and check it out, if you have kids or grandkids, take them over there, have them climb all over that stuff, because it is very cool. So that was a lot of fun. So also, I just wanted to mention that we have in future events, this is not a city event, but for 9-11, the 25th year remembrance, Angie Kardashian, who has dedicated a lot of her life to serving those first responders for 9-11 when she went back to New York on her own dime and spent a couple of years cooking and taking care of a lot of the firehouses and first responders. We'll be speaking at the Santa Ana Elks Lodge on September 9th at 3 p.m. And if you wish to RSVP to that event, please call the Santa Ana Elks Club, and I'm sure they'll be able to help you. So anyway, I look forward to that event. And congratulations to our finance department again. You know, it's kind of like the Patriots in football. You continually win Super Bowls, right? continually get excellence in financial reporting. So congratulations to them. That's all I have for this evening, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Council Member Fink? Thank you, Mayor. It's like the Dodgers of the government finance role, right back to back. So just a few notes. I attended the Ms. Tustin scholarship competition on Saturday the 22nd. And congratulations to Ms. Tustin 2022, Samantha Arroyo, who was on the Ms. Tustin court this last year, She'll be joined on her court by Melody Brown and excuse me, Melody Chavez and Veronica Chapman. And Melody Chavez had her first DUTY THREE DAYS LATER AT THE CAMINO REAL PARK OPENING WHICH I ATTENDED ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND IT IS AN EXCELLENT PARK SO CONGRATULATIONS AND THANKS TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR GETTING THAT DONE AND OPENED UP. I attended on the 26th the Cal City's OC Division board meeting, elected a new board, said goodbye to the outgoing board, President David Penaloza, and heard from Congressman Derek Tran as well as Daryl Johnson of the OCTA. Attended the Sunset Market two weeks ago. Our last one is coming up. later in this month. And thanks, as always, to Parks, Police, Public Works, who all puts that on. I attended on last Friday the grand opening, the formal grand opening of Western State School of Law at their Tustin campus. We're now one of approximately 150 cities in the United States to have an ABA-approved law school. And so it's a great asset. Western State's the oldest law school in the county and has produced judges and lawyers and business and political leaders for decades now. And it has a fantastic new facility in Tustin. And I'm hopeful that we can continue make use of that resource there. I know they will make use of the resources in Tustin. And this morning, we got to the Tustin Coffee Club, the reignited version of that. It's meeting the first Tuesday of the month over at Storico and a continuation of the club that it started in 1940 or so. And it's just a bunch of folks who were talking about the community and various things going on and having some coffee or iced tea if it's weather like this. I also I've heard what the folks here who've been talking about the flock cameras I'm continuing to look at that I think we're going to have to grapple with that issue and you hear about it on on in the national news and in the radio all the time. So Tustin's going to have to see what we're going to do about that. And I know our police are trying to put those guardrails around that and addressing the entire, this is something that is bigger than just Tustin, but the entire sort of surveillance issue. But it's something that we're going to have to deal with in Tustin. And so I look forward to talking with you about that more, and I think bringing that discussion here at some point soon. The last point I wanted to make is I had discussion. There's a constituent who's had a real problem getting parking permits. And I've then tried to get a parking permit and step through that program. And it's a tough program. It's sort of user unfriendly. And it's something I'd like to bring to the council Because there's a second point of parking permits that has come up as we're building these new developments in the legacy over on Cypress Grove and at Enderly Center and on Red Hill. People have come to us consistently concerned about parking. And I've said one of the ways that we address this as a city is creating parking permit zones. And one of the things that I think I'd like to see us I think one of the things we need to address at a policy level address at a policy level and to change our policy or tweak and to change our policy or tweak really our policy is ensuring that really our policy is ensuring that if we're approving these new if we're approving these new developments that the folks in those developments that the folks in those developments that we've certified as sufficiently developments that we've certified as sufficiently parked won't be getting parking parked won't be getting parking permits on the streets for the permits on the streets for the folks that already exist so I'd folks that already exist so I'd like to bring that back to the this issue of just sort of simplifying the parking permit application and so I'm going to circulate a council member item request just to bring that back it requires a second and so I'm hoping that somebody else will sign on to that I'm happy to write it out however you want so that we can bring it back for consideration at the next council meeting or at a future council meeting, and then ask staff to take whatever direction that might be appropriate from that, but so that we can have that discussion. So I'm hoping one of you will raise your hand and say, sure, I'll second that, and we can discuss whether to put that on a future agenda. I'm hoping that one of you will even chime in now. I am. And the only way to do it, because of the Brown Act, is to ask everybody to do it. So hopefully, somebody could just raise their hand, and I'll write it up, and we'll follow that process. But if you're on the second, I'll put you down. Yeah, that's it. Thanks, Mary.

You want me to call on you? Council Member Gallagher, go ahead. All right. Keep this short. Attended also the Western State grand opening. Beautiful facility. They did a great job on that grand opening. At an OCSAN board meeting on August 26, we were dark for our committees during the month of August. A major item was adjusting and finalizing the budget for the year. I attended the Camino Real park opening. It looked like a lot of kids were having fun. It looks like the park was for all ages as well. I saw Mayor Pro Tem Schnell riding that slide up and down. Kids were waiting real patiently, so I thought that was really neat. And then the Sunset Market attended that on August 20th. And I did want to give a shout out to Val Flores. He's on economic development. I was talking to a couple of Tustin residents that have been working, trying to get a beer garden in Old Town, which if anyone has attended a council meeting, they know that I'm a big advocate for breweries and related opportunities. I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT VAL WAS I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT VAL WAS WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH THEM. WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH THEM. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF WILL DO THROUGH THE STAFF WILL DO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY AND I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL THAT WE ARE PARTNERING COOL THAT WE ARE PARTNERING WITH OUR APPLICANTS TO MAKE SURE WITH OUR APPLICANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO NAVIGATE THE PROCESS BECAUSE NAVIGATE THE PROCESS BECAUSE for helping see that through. And that's it.

Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem.

Thank you. Just to clarify, Council Member Gallagher, not dispensaries, but distilleries or breweries, correct? Yes, sorry, distilleries. Just want to make that clear. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

Let the record reflect.

Yes, okay, thank you. So I heard Council Member John Nielsen zip up his little portfolio, so I guess he wants me to go quickly, so I'll be very quick. I'll be quick. So 825 attended the dedication reopening of Camino Real Park. Again, amazing facility. I think kids will have a blast. Parents will enjoy it. 9-1 attended the OC Cemetery District Board Meeting. The main focus is still on the Gypsum Canyon Cemetery development. So we approved a proposal with GMU engineers and geologists to perform geotechnical analysis of phase one grading. So this is a very important first step in eventually starting to build the the cemetery, which will honor veterans and first responders. The anticipated opening is going to be in 2029. Last but not least, I wanted to wish everyone in advance a very happy Labor Day. And I do love history, so Labor Day was created by the late 19th century labor movement to honor the social and economic contributions of American workers, which are the best. September 5th, 1882, the first Labor Day parade was organized in New York City by the Central Labor Union. So coming from New York, very proud to see that. Oregon was the first state to pass a law legally recognizing the holiday in 1887. We had a bunch of early adopters, New York being amongst them. And then Grover Cleveland actually passed a law in June of 1894, where September 5th, which is the first Monday, is the first time we actually celebrated Labor Day. So I wish everyone a happy and restful Labor Day. And that concludes my comments, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Thank you all for your comments. I wanted to reiterate some thanks to staff for putting on the LRA meeting on the 18th at AMC Theater. If you weren't there and you're interested, the film is located online. You can watch. It's about 30 minutes. but all of the progress that the community is making towards developing Tustin Legacy and receiving input from the community and incorporating that into the future plans. And it's really important that we underscore that message that all of the outreach that we're doing is being heard and incorporated into the ultimate vision that we're going to be hurtling towards. I didn't mean to say that. WHAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS. I THINK THAT'S TRUE WITH THIS COUNCIL. WHATEVER YOUR ISSUE IS, YOU MAY SUPPORT OR OPPOSE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DO, BUT WE ARE LISTENING, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT IN POLICIES THAT ARE ADOPTED IN THE FUTURE, AND WE FINE-TUNE THINGS TO MEET OUR RESIDENTS' CONCERNS. SO WITH THAT, I ALSO MET ON AUGUST 26th WITH CONGRESSWOMAN KIM AND HER STAFF. and talked about a bunch of things. But importantly, requesting further assistance from the Navy and really kind of finishing off the Northanger fire cleanup and administrative process. And so she pledged her assistance in arranging some meetings for that. So that should be coming soon. And then the next day, I met with South Orange County Community College District with Chancellor Barnes and President Inman to talk about, well, really, accept their invitation to reopen the development agreement at the College District ATEP facility and talk about opportunities there. So hopefully, I'm looking forward to, and I think the council is aligned in this, exploring solutions so that we can get that property moving and collaborate on something special there. So we had a good meeting, and thank you, Aldo, for participating in that as well. And before I go into some upcoming events, perhaps most importantly for all Tustin residents, except for the couple Dodgers fans up here, the Angels have a new owner who really cares about winning games, and that's important to me. So good riddance, Artie Moreno. Okay, so... Some upcoming events. City Hall is closed on Monday for, city facilities are closed on Monday for Labor Day, as Mayor Pro Tem outlined. We have our final sunset market on Thursday, September 17th from 5 to 8.30 p.m. in Old Town. We have a free shredding event on Saturday, September 19th here at City Hall from 8 a.m. to 12 p.m. And we have a fair housing fundamentals workshop on Thursday, September 23rd from 2.30 to 4 p.m. at the library right on the side. And then lastly, very exciting, Test and Tiller Days is coming up October 2nd through 4th, and wristbands are available now through October 2nd at testandtillerdays.com. So thank you for being with us this evening. We will now adjourn tonight's meeting. The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, September 15th, 2026, for the closed session meeting at 4.30 p.m. and the regular business meeting at 6 p.m. Thank you. Have a good night.