City Council - Regular Meeting

Wow. I'm not going to touch that part next time. Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call to order the special meeting of the city council and the council acting in its capacities as a local reuse authority. Thank you for coming to AMC tonight. This is obviously not where we typically hold our meetings, but we have a really exciting program for you and an informative one tonight. So thank you for being here. This is meeting number 3104, and I'd like to ask Madam City Clerk for the roll call of attendance, please.

The record will reflect that all members are in attendance this evening.

Thank you. Next, we have the invocation by Reverend Dr. Seth Britton from Red Hill Lutheran Church and School.

Let us pray. Lord God, we thank you that you have instituted government so that all people may live in freedom, civility, health, and peace. We pray for these leaders here tonight that they will continue to serve the people of Tustin. Give them wisdom, discernment, and direction. May the needs, opportunities, challenges, and plans of this community, which will be discussed here tonight, be deliberated in a spirit of understanding, goodwill, and community service. Remind us that we are all but stewards of your many gifts. And finally, Heavenly Father, renew us with the strength of your presence and the joy of helping to build a community worthy of the human person. We ask this as your sons and daughters, confident in your goodness and love. In your holy name, amen.

Amen.

Thank you, Reverend. Thank you.

The Pledge of Allegiance tonight is by Mayor Pro Tem Schnell. Before I hand it over, I understand if you're in one of the overflow theaters, five and six, there may not be a flag at the front of the room. So if you could just find one or imagine it in your heart. Mayor Pro Tem.

Raise your eyes if you're able to. If you've served in the military, you're welcome to render a salute. Face the flag, hand over your heart, and begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem. Next, we have our closed session report. Mr. City Attorney. The closed session today was canceled, so there's no report. Okay. Thank you, sir. And before we move to our main item of discussion, I would like to remind everyone that tonight's meeting will be live streamed on the city's website and available for remote participation via Zoom. Next, we have our regular business item. We only have the one item tonight, which is the development updates for the Tustin Legacy former Marine Corps Air Station at Tustin. I'm going to hand it over to our city attorney, city manager, Aldo Schindler, for a brief introductory.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council, as well. It's a pleasure to be here and to provide background on tonight's agenda item. First, we're excited to host this meeting inside an AMC theater, something that's totally unique and new to us in terms of hosting community meetings and council meetings. WE'VE GOT AN AUDIENCE COMPLETE, ALREADY ENJOYING SOME POPCORN AND CANDY. I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, NICOLE BERNARD, AND OUR CITY CLERK, ERIC YASUEDA, AND ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF THAT WORKED HARD TO PUT THIS EVENING ON TONIGHT. THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS ITEM IS THAT THE LOCAL REUSE AUTHORITY IS JUST ONE OF MANY HATS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WEARS THE FEDERAL DESIGNATION GIVES THE CITY COUNCIL RESPONSIBILITY FOR LEADING THE REUSE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FORMER MARINE CORPS AIR STATION TUSTON, WHICH WE MORE COMMONLY REFER TO THESE DAYS AS TUSTON LEGACY. FROM 2002 UNTIL 2021, THE LOCAL REUSE AUTHORITY DID NOT HOLD ANY FORMAL MEETINGS. THAT CHANGED IN 2021 WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL INVITED ALL TUSTON LEGACY DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS TO SHARE UPDATES ON THEIR PROJECTS AND PROGRESS. IN 2024, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO BEGIN TO HOLD ANNUAL LOCAL REUSE AUTHORITY MEETINGS TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH UPDATES FROM THE CITY AND ITS PARTNERS ON TUSTON LEGACY DEVELOPMENT PROGRESS. THESE LOCAL REUSE AUTHORITY MEETINGS, IN ADDITION TO OTHER MEETINGS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH, ARE JUST PART OF THE LARGER DIALOGUE THE CITY AND COMMUNITY HAVE INVARTED ON TOGETHER OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO HELP BRING THE COMMUNITY INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF TUSTON LEGACY. THIS ONGOING CONVERSATION IS HELPING TO ENSURE DEVELOPMENT REFLECTS THE VISION AND PRIORITIES OF THIS IMPORTANT PART OF TUSTON'S FUTURE. FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, THE CITY HAS PREPARED A SHORT FILM TO SHOWCASE THE STATUS OF CURRENT TUSTON LEGACY PROJECTS. SEPARATELY, WE ALSO INCLUDED DETAILED BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND PROJECT PARTNER UPDATES AND THE PUBLICLY NOTICED AGENDA REPORT. TONIGHT'S FILM HIGHLIGHTS SEVERAL CURRENT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ALONG WITH INFORMATION ABOUT KEY PUBLIC PARK AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OCCURRING AT TUSTON LEGACY AND DEPICTS HOW DEVELOPMENT MOVES FROM IDEA TO REALITY. Procedurally, once the film showing has concluded, the mayor will call for general city council comments, followed by an opportunity for public comment. Then, as you all may have noticed as you walked into the theater, outside in front of the fountain, we'll host an open house for tonight's attendees so community members can connect directly with project partners, city staff to ask questions and get more information about Tustin Legacy. Mayor, thank you. And with that, I'll turn it back to you.

Thank you, Aldo. And as our city manager said, if you can't see him, he's down in the bullpen here. He's protected from, as he said, popcorn throwing in case you're upset. But really, a lot of the posture has changed from the city and the outreach to the community, thanks in large part to Aldo, his team and staff. But this council has unanimously made this a priority to talk to you directly with you. have a forward leaning communication posture so that we can hear from you. And to be transparent, a lot of up until 21, what we were hearing is that nobody knew what was going on. So we're really TRYING VERY HARD TO COMMUNICATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND MEET YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT TO AMC. THIS IS A SPECIAL THING. BUT WE ALSO HAVE INCREASED SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE, FORMAL COMMUNICATIONS COMING OUT OF CITY HALL. AND SO THE THEME IS SORT OF COMMUNICATION TRANSPARENCY AND ACTION. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT IN THIS FILM IS A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTIVELY TAKING PLACE AND A LOT OF THAT HAS THAT MOMENTUM HAS BEEN BUILT OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. And we hope that you're very pleased with it. But we do want to hear from you either, as Aldo said, after the film, you can come up to this podium and make comments to us directly or after the public comment section, we'll all be outside and we can talk directly to you with you there. So I have some brief comments and we'll turn it over to the film. But Tustin Legacy continues to be an important part of our community's future. And tonight we want to give everyone an opportunity to learn more about the projects that are underway and what's ahead. We'll begin with a short film. It's 30 minutes. So if you're short is relative, but about 30 minutes with lots of information highlighting the latest development updates to Tustin Legacy. Following the film, I'll invite comments from my council colleagues, and then we will open the floor for public input, as I said. As Aldo mentioned, our city manager and his remarks, I'd also like to remind everyone that there is an open house and there will be in and out serving food at the open house, too. So if you're hungry, don't fret. You should have a ticket for that. Not that we want to shuffle you out of here, but there will be burgers ready for you. And that open house is scheduled to begin at 6.30 p.m., and we'll be open for further discussion. So with that, we are going to move down here and watch the film with you, and then we'll be back up in about 30 minutes. Thank you.

Every great community begins with a vision.

On the land that once served as a Marine Corps air station, something remarkable is taking shape. A place where history meets possibility, where open space becomes neighborhoods, parks, and gathering places that will serve generations to come. Past and Legacy is more than a redevelopment. It's a long-term promise to build thoughtfully, to listen carefully, and to create a community that feels connected, welcoming, and full of life.

Today we walk through three essential chapters of that journey.

First, how development moves from idea to reality. Next, how parks and infrastructure are carefully planned and built. And finally, where the city stands in shaping the heart of it all, the Tustin Legacy Corps. This is the story of a place still being written and the process that makes it all possible. Let's start with the private sector side of the story. How a piece of land from Tustin Legacy moves from city ownership into a finished neighborhood or a mixed-use project. The process follows a series of clear steps, each designed to keep the community informed and the outcome aligned with the city's long-term vision. It begins with community engagement, making sure the public stays informed every step of the way. Before any land is offered, the city partners with outreach professionals to keep residents up to date on what's happening at Tustin Legacy. Clear and consistent information helps people understand the timeline, the opportunities, and the decisions still ahead. This ongoing communication builds trust and ensures the community is never left guessing about the future of the land around them.

One of those partners is JPW Communications.

Here's Suzanne Bankhead, partner and senior vice president.

JPW has had the privilege of facilitating a community conversation about the future of Tustin Legacy and one of the most significant planning efforts in Orange County. When we started this process back in March, 2025, the city council made a commitment. They knew that this would be more than just a one-time engagement effort or a single online survey. Instead, this was designed to be an ongoing conversation with the community about one of the most significant planning opportunities in Orange County. Since our start, we've engaged the community through thousands of touch points with different ways for them to participate. Everything from pop-up outreach events to local reuse authority meetings, community workshops, open houses, online surveys, social media, and one-on-one conversations. Throughout this process, we've received some incredible input from the community about the future of Tustin Legacy. We've heard a wide variety of perspectives, but three primary themes have emerged. First, this community cares deeply about MCAS Tustin and wants to see future development honor that legacy in a meaningful way. Second, parks, open space, and trails continue to be the strongest area of alignment with community input. Community members want to see Tustin Legacy developed in an area where families can gather, play, and the community can come together. Third, community members want to see more than just a park at Legacy. They want to see this become a destination, a place that's going to attract regional attention and also reflect Tustin's unique character. And lastly, there's an emerging sentiment in the community that to bring those three priorities together, there needs to be thoughtful planning and balancing those competing issues of the opportunities and the constraints around development costs and long-term feasibility.

Once outreach has begun, the next formal step is obtaining offering authorization from city council and securing a real estate broker. This is the moment that the city officially decides that a particular site is ready to move forward in the competitive process. Council approval signals that the groundwork has been laid and that the opportunity is ready to be marketed.

A professional real estate broker is then retained to help market the property and manage the competitive process.

Right now, the historic South Hangar is in this stage of the cycle. In July 2026, the City Council authorized staff to prepare and release a competitive offering for the South Hangar and portions of the surrounding property. A broker will help market the opportunity while the City continues to evaluate the best long-term path for this iconic structure. Today, the South Hangar's primary use is for the maintenance and storage of Goodyear blimps. These occasional visits keep the massive wooden structure in limited active service while the city carefully considers its future. The connection between Goodyear and the hangars runs deep. For decades, the company's iconic airships have returned to Tustin for annual maintenance and inspections. passing through the enormous hangar doors that were originally built to house World War II-era blimps. Their periodic return provides a living reminder of the site's aviation history, a tradition that continues quietly even as the city plans the next chapter for the south hangar and the surrounding property. With authorization in place and a broker assigned to the site, the city releases a formal offering. This is a public invitation for qualified developers to submit proposals. The offering package typically includes detailed information about the site, the city's goals, and the kind of projects that best support the Tustin legacy vision. By opening the opportunity through a public solicitation, the city creates a fair and competitive process which encourages innovative ideas and attracts experienced development partners. One site currently going through this stage is the approximately 44-acre property on the corner of Barranca Parkway and Armstrong Avenue, adjacent to Flight at Tustin Legacy. Plans for this site envision mixed-use development that will complement Flight and continue to support this growing part of the community. An offering memorandum soliciting the property for disposition and development was released in May 2026 by the city's commercial real estate broker, Cushman & Wakefield. Initial developer proposals were received in July 2026 and are now under review as a part of the selection process. A developer is expected to be selected by the end of this year. After proposals are received, each submission is evaluated to identify the best development partner position to deliver a high quality project. While the projects described in each proposal help inform the evaluation, selecting a developer does not constitute approval of those proposed projects. Project details often evolve and change during the negotiation process that follows, and formal approval of any plan comes later through the agreement and entitlement stages. When a developer is selected, the process moves forward with that team to negotiate the terms of the project and to establish a framework for future approvals. One project in this stage is Cornerstone II, which is adjacent to the current Tustin Legacy Park. Joining us to tell us more about this project is Dan Almquist, CEO of Almquist.

Our company, we're really known for creating highly curated, unique experiences. So I think that's really what we're most excited about is to create this community gathering place within this larger 52 acre project. Really the idea with the project was to create a true village where the retail, the residential, Everything tied out aesthetically to create a community that was very walkable, pedestrian-oriented, tied in with the existing greenbelt. It really became a benefit not only to the legacy, but also to the larger Tussin community. We expect that it will take approximately a year and a half to process the entitlements with the hopes of being under construction on the first phase of the project within the next 24 months.

During this phase, detailed negotiations take place to develop a formal agreement. Key terms such as price, timelines, public benefits, and legal requirements are carefully worked out to create a framework that protects the city's interests while providing the developer a clear path to implementation. The result is a binding disposition and development agreement that sets the foundation for the project to move forward. At this stage, project details may continue to evolve as the design and program are refined. While the agreement establishes the overall framework, specific elements of the project are further developed through the entitlement process and subsequent approvals. One project currently moving through this stage is Mariner's Church at Tustin Legacy. Located at the intersection of Warner Avenue and Compass Avenue, the project includes approximately 33,000 square feet of new construction. The proposed facility will feature a worship center with seating for more than 600 people, along with meeting rooms, offices, and restrooms. Entitlement approval is anticipated this fall, with close of escrow expected by the end of the year. Also advancing through this stage is the Confluent Senior Living Project. We're joined by Tony Ferrero, chairman and founder of Clearwater Living, to share more about this project.

Clearwater Tustin Legacy is a thoughtfully designed, age-restricted, full continuum of care for seniors. It is designed with the thoughtfulness of allowing people to come in at the age of 55 and service needs as they age in place. Key aspect for all of our communities is socialization and fulfilling those aspects of life that keep you happy, rejuvenated and fulfilled. So after two years of planning, we are currently in the public hearing process of the final approvals for entitlements. We're looking to commence construction in December of 2026, and we're looking at approximately a 24 to 30 month construction period before we can open our communities to its residents and their families.

After an agreement is in place, projects move through an entitlement process where formal project approvals can be considered. This structured review provides opportunities for public participation and ensures that all local and state requirements are met before construction can begin. The process includes public outreach, notice public hearings, and multiple levels of review. At the local level, projects are evaluated for consistency with the Tustin Legacy-specific plan and the City's housing element, helping ensure that development aligns with adopted goals and housing requirements. As the local reuse authority, the City has a responsibility to ensure that the reuse of the former military property serves the community's long-term interests. At the state level, projects must address regional housing needs allocation requirements, which establish housing goals for jurisdictions based on regional housing needs. Projects may also be subject to review under the California Environmental Quality Act, which evaluates potential environmental impacts and identifies measures to avoid or reduce those impacts. Together, these reviews create a careful and layered process that provides public input, protects community standards, and ensures that all projects are appropriately evaluated before moving forward. The final step is construction and project delivery. With agreements executed and entitlements secured, the developer moves forward with construction. This is the stage where plans become reality. Foundations are poured, buildings rise, and new places begin to take shape. Close of escrow marks the formal completion of the property transfer and confirms that the project has met the requirements necessary to move into implementation. One of the most active examples currently underway is the Irvine Company community at Tustin Legacy. Located on approximately 19.4 acres, generally bounded by Warner Avenue, Compass Avenue, Armstrong Avenue, and Tustin Ranch Road, the project was approved by the City Council on February 4th, 2025. The development will deliver 1,336 apartment homes, including 334 affordable units for lower-income households. The market rate portion, known as Aviano, is being developed by the Irvine Company, while the affordable component, known as Teresina, is being developed by USA Properties. The project also includes a .66-acre publicly accessible park, open spaces, and community amenities that connect the development to the broader Tustin legacy. Construction began in early 2026, with initial work focused on site preparation and parking garage construction. The project will continue to advance through base construction, bringing new homes, new friends, and community amenities to Tustin Legacy. We're joined by Jeff Brown, President and CEO of USA Properties, the team developing Terracina, the affordable component of the project. to share about the community and its role within Tustin Legacy.

This is a partnership with the Irvine Company, who in conjunction with this project is building 998 market rate units. And this was the inclusionary component of the master development. We started construction June 16th. It's basically three components. We have two residential buildings and a wrap parking garage. Behind me, we're already going vertical on the parking garage. And that'll be followed by the construction of the two residential buildings. But we already have made a lot of progress in the underground utilities on the two residential buildings. So we're very confident this project will be completed on time and on schedule.

While private sector development continues moving forward through Tustin Legacy, public investments are creating shared spaces that connect the community. Parks, trails, and pedestrian bridges are the foundation of the community experience, places where people walk, gather, play, and travel safely between neighborhoods. These public amenities follow a thoughtful and deliberate process of their own, moving from planning and design through construction and completion. It all begins with the Tustin Legacy-specific plan. This guiding document establishes the overall vision for parks and open space, calling for more than 170 acres of parks, trails, and recreation areas by full build-out. Originally created over 20 years ago through an extensive public planning process, the specific plan has evolved over time to respond to changing market conditions, state requirements, and ongoing stakeholder input, while remaining grounded in its original The project moves into the planning and design phase. Engineers, landscape architects, and project teams work together to transform the initial concept into detailed plans that balance safety, functionality, and community needs. For Legacy Park Phase 2, this included designing playgrounds, shaded plazas, a great lawn, fitness areas, and an art walk. For the pedestrian bridge, the focus was on creating structures that serve as seamless extensions of the park network, including thoughtful details such as lighting, railings, and overall landscaping to enhance the overall experience. Once the plans and designs are complete, they return for final approval. After approval is granted, a formal bid package is prepared and released for construction. Qualified construction companies submit competitive bids, which are evaluated based on factors such as cost, experience, and ability to deliver the project on schedule and to the required standards. We're joined by Jason Cenota and Mimi Yang of Rios, the design team behind the upcoming Legacy Park Phase 2, to share more about the vision and design behind the project.

Tustin Legacy Park is the connective open space corridor that will connect all of Tustin Legacy through a network of trails, open spaces, programmatic recreational spaces, places to play, places to relax, and really become an amenity for enjoying nature within the city of Tustin.

Our goal is to create a park that offers a variety of experience. So when people explore and move through the park, they can experience different ecologies and also different activities. We also have art programs throughout the site where we will have opportunities for rotating art installations that can really celebrate our local artists.

And the park is divided into four ecological zones, which seeks to celebrate Southern California's native habitat through the planting. We're bringing in lots of native oaks, native sycamores, native pine trees, all with the aim to support local habitat and pollinators and make this an ecologically functioning and healthy place as well.

We really want this park to be a part of people's daily life so people can naturally connect on the site. We're finishing up our construction documents and aim to bid by the end of this year.

We're super excited to be part of this next phase of creating an iconic space for the city of Tustin.

After a construction company is selected and approved, the project moves on to the construction phase. Grading begins, utilities are installed, and the plans begin to take physical shape. The Armstrong Pedestrian Bridge is scheduled to begin construction in November and is expected to be completed in winter 2027.

Legacy Park Phase 2 will begin construction in January 2027 and will be completed alongside the bridge, also in winter 2027.

Together, these projects will create a seamless connection across Armstrong Avenue and open a significant new section of the park system for the community to enjoy. We're joined by Hunter Ruthroth, AVG Design Manager, currently working on the Armstrong Pedestrian Bridge.

You're joining us here from atop the Armstrong Mound. If you're driving around Tustin Legacy, you can definitely see this mound nearest Armstrong, as well as Tustin Ranch Road and Warner in the background. Essentially, these are the launching points for three new beautiful pedestrian bridges that will be built in the near future. The city of Tustin had the foresight to build these mounds as a cost-effective way to get back down to finished grade once you're off of the structure. They've been here a while, and that's kind of by design. The whole point of them is to settle over time. The Marine Corps base was built on very deep layers of soft soil, and so what we need is these to compress a certain level over time so that the... Pathways, the bridge, the approach slabs all arrive at the same elevation and there's no issues in the in the future, certainly not with the pathway themselves or any cracks to the structure that might occur. In front of me here we can see a settlement plate. Civil engineers use these to measure the elevation and how much that soil is compressed over time and so now we are finally at that point where they have compressed and we are ready to build. We're standing here at the Armstrong Pedestrian Bridge Very close to where this mound kind of drops off, the bridge picks up. The bridge itself is a cast-in-place concrete edge girder with the path kind of pushed lower in the section of the structure. All that that means is that the overall height of its columns, the overall height of this mound and ramp down is relatively short or sort of a cost-effective measure. The bridge is supported by two columns situated on either side at the edge of Armstrong Road behind me. The bridge is 233 feet long and occurs over three spans. So there's a backspan that occurs from the abutment right here to the first column at the edge of Armstrong Avenue. Then there's a main span and then a similar backspan on the other side that takes you back down to finish grade. These three pedestrian bridges are not just your typical pedestrian bridge. They do not just connect A to B and get you down to finish grade. In fact, of course they do that. They are utilitarian, but they are also architecturally significant, offering both an experience, but also an identity that contributes to the beautiful architecture around this park. The bridge features an ornate railing system that's kind of an ode to our hangars in the background and that wood truss that you see on the inside. As you're walking down the length of the bridge, you'll see kind of this boomerang-shaped post with a vertical that frames a perspective that's very similar to what you might experience inside of those hangars. They're all framed off at the edges with these end monuments that are concrete and lead back down to finish grade. So at the moment, Tustin Legacy is a bit segregated and divided, and that's by the major roads Armstrong, Tustin Ranch Road, and Warner. The idea is that these bridges will give cyclists and pedestrians complete connectivity from the mess hall and the development directly behind us all the way to Tustin Station at the other end of the linear park and essentially unify old Tustin Legacy with the new Tustin Legacy. So to date, we have taken through conceptual design, the Armstrong pedestrian bridge. We've taken Armstrong all the way through to 100%. In fact, right now it is out to bid and within a month, a contractor will be selected. And as this soil is properly compressed, we are ready to build.

Once a park or bridge opens, the focus shifts to long-term care and maintenance. Regular upkeep, repairs, and improvements help ensure these public spaces remain safe, attractive, and welcoming for residents and visitors for years to come. This ongoing commitment transforms a newly completed amenity into a lasting part of the community. As part of ongoing care for the existing park, the city has secured $750,000 in grant funding for the Tustin Legacy Detention Basin and Linear Park area. Tustin Legacy Park serves as both a public open space and a regional stormwater detention basin. The funding supports stormwater management, landscaping, water quality improvements, and additional public art throughout the park. The project will restore vegetative cover through targeted replanting, with plant materials selected for suitability in variable moisture conditions. The planting design emphasizes soil stabilization, erosion control, and improved site conditions while minimizing long-term maintenance requirements. Work is now underway with completion scheduled for November of this year. From the vision established in the specific plan through design, construction, and ongoing stewardship, every public amenity at Tustin Legacy follows a thoughtful and deliberate process. Together, the parks and pedestrian bridges will create the connected, walkable heart of the community for generations to come. currently in an active... Conceptual illustrations that help bring the vision into greater detail are being shared to show how the high-level goals established in the specific... But with additional opportunities for engagement ahead, helping guide this effort is Steve Kellingberg of Kellingberg Studios.

which is the primary tool for the structure and for the form and character of what Tustin Legacy's build out eventually becomes. The bottom line is the framework plan provides a lot of flexibility while locking in the big ideas that actually create great community. One of the biggest dynamics of the framework plan is the balance between development and parks and open space. Everyone would pretty much prefer to have as much park and open space as possible. The challenge is that it's very expensive to improve those parks. The more development, the more housing and office and retail we have, for improving and making those parks really special places. Major questions still need to be answered. How much housing should there be? Where should it be? What is the final form and size of the open space system in the framework plan? What happens to the hangers? In terms of the cost of long-term maintenance and the very high cost of reuse and even just the maintenance of keeping them in the status quo will be a major factor in things like how much park can we afford? One of the key questions How does it look? Is it a more relaxed kind of suburban form? Is it more grid-like and formal? Are there very iconic placemaking events that really distinguish the character and create great photo opportunities? This is a key question and we developed several alternatives, which we shared in the last public open house. We've received input from the community and we'll look forward to continuing to receive input. And of course, a good framework plan requires a big idea of organization, something that makes it not just general suburban development, that creates a there there. And in this case, it's the open space system. The linear park has always been a key component of Tustin Legacy. And so now in our framework plan, we're refining what that configuration is. How big is it? How does it relate to the amount of housing? How does it link in to the individual neighborhoods? So we're quite excited now about where we are in the framework planning process.

From private sector development sites moving through a clear and competitive process, to parks and bridges that will connect the whole community, to the thoughtful collaborative framework planning, Tustin Legacy is taking shape project by project, guided by a shared vision and commitment

Hey, we're back online. So that was not intentional to get people to leave. We do want to hear from you. Thank you for your patience. Thank you, staff, for jumping on that. And thank you, everybody, for your flexibility. Okay, so what I was saying before we took the break was there was a glitch in the other two theaters. But regardless of that, if you like that video, you want to see it again, you want to share it with your friends and family, neighbors, we will send it to you if you've registered for this meeting. So if we have your email address, you'll get a link with it tomorrow or the next day. AND WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THESE MEETINGS AS WELL. SO WE HOPE THAT THAT FILM WAS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF INFORMATION BEING THROWN AT YOU, A LOT OF NUMBERS, A LOT OF TIMELINES, A LOT OF PROJECTS, BUT WE HOPE IT WAS INFORMATIVE, PERHAPS YOU LEARNED SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T KNOW. EVEN US AS A COUNCIL, WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE AND REALIZE ALL THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE. A LOT OF IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO YOU, RIGHT? IF YOU DRIVE AROUND TESTS AND LEGACY YOU MAY NOT SEE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION ON ALL THE PARCELS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING A LOT OF HARD WORK DECISIONS THAT ARE INFORMED BY YOUR INPUT THAT ARE HAPPENING SO HOPEFULLY YOU ENJOYED THE VIDEO AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A FORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ACTING AS THE LOCAL REUSE AUTHORITY YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PODIUM RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE REQUESTS FOR COMMENT AND THEN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE SOME REMARKS OF OUR OWN AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE OPEN HOUSE Madam City Clerk, do we have requests to speak?

Apologies, Mr. Mayor. It looks like we froze on our live feed again. We're back on.

Oh, it's back on.

Okay, yes, we have a few requests to speak. We have our first request to speak is Natalie.

All right, Natalie, if you want to, if you can go to the podium there so we can hear you. And apologies if we look like we're staring into headlights. We actually are. We cannot see very well, so we know you're standing there. We'll listen.

Fill that paper real quick. Um, okay. I'm gonna try not to be mean to y'all, but why the heck isn't there a hospital for veterans in a bunch of apartment homes? When if you just have the park, there's nothing for the veterans themselves. which that would be the best way to honor them, is to get it so that it is mental, physical health, and also family health, and get the veterans off the streets, as well as have an emergency area for all the families around here. And I had talked to somebody last time I was at a meeting a while back, and then they gave me the information to somebody, and I had it all laid out. The way I thought about it was kind of like what I saw in the film, which was, you know, very environmentally safe, very calming for people. to walk but also an area there was going to be an area where one section in four sections one section would be for all the mental health problems and one section for all the physical problems the rehabilitation of those physicalities and one section for families because the families also go through everything that they're dealing with and the other thing was there would be an area of course parking on the outside in an area for the children to be playing so that they don't feel bored to death or nervous and mom and dad's trying to do something. Also, I had recommended that the people SCHOOLS CAN DO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE BY HELPING OUT IN THE HOSPITAL AND DOING ALSO MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, DOING THEIR INTERNSHIPS, CNN'S DOING THEIR INTERNSHIPS, SORRY, CNA'S AND ALL THAT. I JUST DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND YOU GUYS DOING THIS, BUT I WANT SOMETHING FOR THE VETERANS. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID, TRYING TO GET SOMETHING INTESTED FOR THE VETERANS AS MY GRANDFATHER IS A VETERAN. AND I KNOW MOST OF MY FAMILIES AND FRIENDS AND PEOPLE I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH AND I KNOW MOST OF YOU GUYS IN HERE HAVE HAD THAT. BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET FOR THEM. I'VE ONLY SEEN IT FOR LET'S GET MORE PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW. And to me, that's just an atrocity of not helping them. A park is great for everybody around here, but the veterans need to be honored by doing that. That's it.

All right. Thank you for your comments. I know it's a little nerve-wracking to be in this theater, so thank you. Appreciate it. Madam City Clerk, next request.

Our next speaker is Pete.

Hi, I'm Pete Beatty. I'm a test of military history, and also I represent the American Legion. I'm one of the officers, and I love what she said. But I do know, actually, watching this video, this is big. I mean, it's unbelievable what you guys are going through. John, thank you for all the help you've been doing to try to get something that we're working on right now. But there's never a sure thing out there. There really isn't. And the budget is important. The money's important. And there's a big balance. But I know I'm coming off at a little different angle. But I think she was right. There has to be something out there. If it's not the hangar, maybe it's a control tower and building that I'm trying to save. Something that gives. And I know you have the park. It's a beautiful park, the Veterans Park. You've done a wonderful job there. But the immense project you've got here is, it makes your head spin. It's so big. And I'm glad we have the people on board we have now, because you guys are handling it perfectly. But after I watched this thing, I went to a different level. I really did. And I wish you guys the best. Just do the best you can. And I know there's a lot of people, a lot of veterans here that are rooting for you. And thank you.

Thank you. Madam City Clerk, any other requests?

Yes, Mr. Mayor. Our next speaker is Elsie. After Elsie, we'll have Jessica.

HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELSI. I LIVE IN COLUMBUS SQUARE. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2013. AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE NEW BUILDS THAT HAVE COME OUT, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPPING PLAZA, THE STATER BROTHERS OVER THERE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE 2013. MY QUESTION IS THIS. TUSTON ONLY HAS ONE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

TUSTON LEGACY IS BUILDING OUT BY THE THOUSANDS NOW HAS THERE BEEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF TUSTON AND ORANGE COUNTY WITH BUILDING A SECOND LIBRARY FOR THE CITY OF TUSTON SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY MAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THERE'S STATE LAW THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR US WE CAN'T ENGAGE IN IN DIALOGUE BUT WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL COMMENTS AND SOMEBODY WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION AT THAT POINT SO IF YOU HAVE YOU HAVE PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF MORE MINUTES TO MAKE COMMENTS IF YOU WANT

NO, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. I THINK THAT PUBLIC LIBRARY BEING A SECOND ONE BEING BROUGHT TO THE CITY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING IN HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF NEW FAMILIES AND IT'S REALLY NEEDED SINCE WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK, NEXT SPEAKER. I THINK YOU ALREADY CALLED THEM.

Hi. This is a great venue. Please have all the meetings here. Love it. Thanks for the snacks and the after dinner. Everybody loves In-N-Out. This is great. So my comment is generally about the South Hangar. I love that the park is going to stay. I mean, we bought in Columbus Square because we were like, this is going to be across the street from a park. And now we'll have two parks. We have Veterans Park. So I love that that's staying. ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT MAKING SURE THESE ARE NATIVE PLANTS, THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. ALL OF THAT IS SO IMPORTANT AND OVERALL SHOULD DECREASE THE COST OF THE CITY. MY COMMENT IS ABOUT THE SOUTH HANGAR. WE ALL KNOW AND EXPERIENCE THE ASBESTOS DISASTER OF THE FIRE AT THE NORTH HANGAR. And my biggest concern about going forward from here is how is that being prevented in the future with the south hangar? One of the biggest problems with the hangar fire was There was not enough, the water pressure couldn't get to the hoses. I guess there weren't enough pools to gather water for the helicopters. There was, it seems like that was a preventable disaster and there's nothing in place right now on the South Hanger to prevent that. So my request would be that any RFPs that go up to developers need to specifically say this whatever you do with this hanger you have to have enough water to put out a fire there and you have to have it has to be updated to make sure that um it can be put out from the inside sprinkler system on the inside or whatever YOU KNOW, FANCY CHEMICAL TO PUT OUT FIRES. THERE IS NOW ON THE INSIDE. I THINK THAT IS MANDATORY FOR THE SAFETY OF, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN ALL THESE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES, THEY NEED TO KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE SAFE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK?

SPEAKER IS LATISHA. AFTER LATISHA, WE'LL HAVE AARON.

HI, GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS COMMUNITY MEETING. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. FORMER COUNCILMEMBER AND MAYOR, SO I KNOW A LOT THAT HAS GONE INTO THE PLANNING OF THIS AND EVEN GETTING TO THIS POINT WITH ENGAGING THE PUBLIC ON what needs to happen next. And part of this community presentation, as wonderful as the video was, I think a part that we were missing was learning how the community input actually contributed to the future plans. And so we kind of talked about what has happened, but I think the community deserves to know what they have shared with you all, how that's contributed to the overall plan. And then I'll just contribute that I talk to folks in the neighborhood and in the communities. They are still mourning the loss of one of the hangers on that site. And it's important that we honor the legacy of our military history and the veterans. And so I think in any way how to move forward, we have to incorporate honoring our servicemen and women lost and those who have served here. We just have to find a way to incorporate it somehow. So whether that's a hospital or a brick and mortar for our American Legion or just a space for our veterans to convene and be honored, I think we have to do that. And also, I just want to shout out JPW. Great job on the video and Studio 360. I think the video was just high quality and what our community deserves. So thank you.

THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK?

WE HAVE AARON WHO IS NEXT. AND THEN AFTER AARON WE'LL HAVE JODY.

CITY COUNCIL, GREAT JOB WITH THE VIDEO. GRATEFUL FOR YOU. MY NAME IS AARON OPOG. I HAVE THE JOY OF SERVING AS THE LEAD PASTOR AT MARINERS CHURCH AND LEGACY. AND OBVIOUSLY I'M PRO OF THAT PROJECT. AND WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL TO BE IN THE CITY. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. uh we are a church that loves our city in fact all the comments that were made i just been taking it in myself because we want to serve the people of the city really well we want to be known about showing up into our neighborhoods and our school places and helping people out as much as we can and building community and so we're very grateful for your hard work on the project and as much as we can partner together we're available And yeah, just very, very thankful for your hard work and the partnership there. We do have information meeting ourselves at flight on 530 p.m. this coming Friday night. We don't have in and out, but we do have Italian food from the food center there at flight. You're welcome to join us if you want to. And I myself will be outside answering any information or questions, excuse me, that anybody has. And so just very thankful for you all. We're grateful to be part of the community. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker.

Jody is next. And then Ziggy.

Hi, thank you. I think this is the second or third time I've spoken to you all. So first of all, I think that it's great that you have this meeting with showing us what's happening. What I do second the sentiment of somebody who said, let's do something for the veterans. I also second keeping the anger that's left alive. But I do have a question. I feel like I'm talking on behalf of the stepchildren, everybody who doesn't live in this specific area. um it's wonderful to build a lot of housing but what are you doing about the traffic and it really has an impact and what are you doing about parking because i'm glad that everybody who lives here has a new park and all this other stuff but somebody who lives in tustin ranch somebody who lives in old town tustin it's going to be a nightmare to get here and i think it needs to be made available so that if we are building A COMMUNITY-WIDE PARK THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT EVERYBODY RIDES A BIKE OR CAN WALK THE FIVE MILES FROM TUSTON RANCH NORTH ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE. SO THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER?

DO WE HAVE ZIGGY WHO'S NEXT?

good evening mayor lombard council members ziggy mcbride longtime resident of the city of tustin parent and candidate for tustin unified school district trustee area 5. i just want to make a general comment that i look forward to working with you to rebuild the relationship between the city and the school district We know that you have had a very difficult time getting engagement from the school district. And if I'm fortunate enough to get elected, you have my full commitment to making Tustin Unified School District a productive partner with the largest city and an amazing city. Thank you for all of the great work you do to keep our students safe and support our schools. Thank you for this wonderful evening.

Thank you. Madam City Clerk, any other requests?

Yes, Mr. Mayor, we have quite a few. The next couple of speakers, we have Karen.

Before Karen goes, and nothing against Karen, Karen, you're going to get your opportunity. But if you're here and you don't care about public comment, you can go outside and enjoy the open house. But if you want to hear this, please stay, because we will talk after as well.

So we have Karen and then Kristen Manna.

Good evening. I am honored to be here and blown away by what you guys have done. I have lived in Tustin Legacy since the beginning, 2008. And that's 18 years. I love it. I had no idea. I'm always driving by these places and wondering, what is this? What is that? Where is that bridge going to go? And when is it going to go there? I mean, you answered so many questions for me tonight, and I mean, I walk my dog around there all the time. Every place you showed, I've been, and that fountain you kept showing, that's right by my house. You know, we did go through that horrific fire. I was right across the street, and we all tried to work together to get through it. I had to be gone for two months because of the asbestos, but thank heavens you guys are working so hard to make it beautiful again and it gives me so much security and and a feeling of you know support that i'm just not here alone and um i'm i'm grateful for all the parks and everything and one other thing i was thinking and probably you've already heard this a lot but you know those pillars that are left from cleaning if those could just be the monument you know it's cement it's the only cement all the wood came from oregon i'm from oregon so i knew that but the pillars would be amazing just put memorial plaques on it and you know honor our veterans i mean we have veteran park i live right there by it so this would just be great if people could get on board with that then you wouldn't have to tear them down you could just make them pretty thank you so much thank you next speaker please kristen you're next

Good evening, Austin Lombard, Mayor Lombard and City Council. I am so excited about this project. I really am. I've been a long-term resident of Tustin. We've lived here now for 23 years. So I'm really excited about the project and everything. I love the idea of the Central Park. I think that is like so important because my daughter lives in Boston and my son lives in New York and I know how important it is like walk through parks and have how it's connected to different areas and businesses it's just amazing i also wanted i've been thinking about this and i also wanted to propose an idea of a revolving museum experience and i know you spoke about that having different exhibits coming into the parks but i think this could be an economic advantage for our city and it can also draw in a need for what we don't really have here in Orange County that I've seen in Boston and then I've seen in New York. But it's creating a museum featuring revolving exhibits and interactive sections that change throughout the year, bringing in new entertainment, education, and cultural value to our community. Rather than a traditional museum, which would be really hard because it would be a big cost and it would become stagnant, a revolving museum would offer different sections that could rotate every few months and feature new themes as local history and culture, arts and entertainment, children and family discovery, innovation and technology and seasonal experiences, you know, tied to the holidays, culture celebration and community events, and traveling exhibits like I spoke of. And they can be partnerships with other museums and organizations to bring noteworthy exhibits here, but we could have like a small footprint there. And we could also bring in different speakers, you know, so it'd really be like entertainment but edutainment too for the community and it would not only like be an entertainment destination and it wouldn't be a one-time visit but it would be a continued continued you know education we could also bring in our our schools you know involve our schools so i just wanted to um throw out that idea and we could also it could be an economic advantage because we could have a cafe we could have a gift shop we have event space we have speaker series and evening experiences. So just wanted to throw that out there. Thank you so much. And I'm so excited about this. I really am. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

It's the last two speakers I have in person. One is Linda and the next one will be William.

Hi, thank you for all of your hard work and for this beautiful presentation. I've lived in Tustin since the 1980s when we would drive down Red Hill and see the airplanes, the aircraft, the helicopters, which really were in honor and a monument to the veterans and the place that we were in. There's two considerations that I have a question about whether you considered them. One is a public pool that would draw people repeatedly, which we really could use, and the other is I'm a senior. I've gone to a lot of the emeritus programs through the community colleges. There are beautiful senior centers all over Orange County. Ours is rather grim. It's not maintained, and it's not in the 21st century. I hear that you have a senior residential place, but are there programs and a facility for seniors to use? That's it. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

William, you are up. And then we have one more on Zoom, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. If you want to speak, you just need to, I think William's up first, unless you are William. Is there a William?

William Lang I have in Theater 2. He should be in this theater.

He's chowing down on a double-double right now.

He's in the open house. Would you like to do the Zoom or the last in-person, Mr. Mayor?

Let's do Zoom right now, and then we'll figure that out in a second.

Okay, great. We are going to bring in Kundan.

Hello?

Hi, you're up. Go ahead.

Hi there, I'm Condon. I came here two weeks ago. I'm a resident of Tustin and I live close to Frontier Park. I came here two weeks ago to talk about the safety issue at Frontier Park where there is a disc golf facility that covers the entire park where people are walking around, including women and children. And it's not even in an isolated area inside the park, so it cannot even be fenced off. And so I came because, you know, I got hit at least two or three times by the disc golf. And one time I almost got hit in the head. And if I got hit in the head, I could have died. And then my neighbor has gotten hit in the ankle, and she was hit six months ago, and it still hurts today. and also another pregnant woman got hit in the belly. So I came in two weeks ago to talk about the safety issue. Ideally, I would like to have the disc golf facility relocated to a place that's dedicated to disc golf because I don't think such a dangerous sport should be in an area where people are. And then two weeks ago when I came to speak, You know, to the city's credit, the director of Parks and Recreation, Ted, immediately came and talked to me and had, I guess, his assistant, Carl, talk to me the next day. And they had proposed that they would put signs up, which to me is not an ideal solution. But they haven't even done even that, you know, and spent two weeks. And, you know, Chad even said they were going to investigate first. So I don't understand what's there to investigate. And I wanted to give one more update about that because last time I was here, I was telling you that I don't even walk during the daytime. I walk during the nighttime because I don't feel safe in that park during the day. But even at night for a brown, you know, indigenous marginalized person, the nighttime is not really safe. And by now, even at night, sometimes even late at night, close to 10, I sometimes see a disc golfer doing disc golf at almost 10 PM at night, like one or two people. And I'm like, they're not even careful during the day. The eyes cannot see properly with the low lighting, even at night. So now it's even more unsafe for me at night. So this is a serious situation. So I don't know what, they're trying to investigate since there's already this public input. I would like this matter resolved as soon as possible, at least have the signs and have the signs be in front of every disco station. If he wants to do that, at least do that, you know, but they haven't done even that. So that's all I want to say. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. I think we had another one in person, right?

Yes, Mr. Mayor. Our last speaker is Clay.

Well, everybody, I'd like to just make a suggestion that that might be beneficial for the whole community would be an archery range, a nice archery range in there thrown in, you know, for the community. That's something that's good and, you know, wholesome. That was all my suggestion. That was just an idea.

Thank you. Any other requests to speak, Madam City Clerk? We cannot hear you up here. I heard somebody say something, but if you said if you're trying to speak, this is your last opportunity before we go outside and you can talk to us directly as well. Do we have a? Do we have a request to speak? Anybody else, if you want to speak, come on down, but like I say, We'll be outside, too.

Hi. Hi. My name's Bren. I have an issue with the homelessness. I've had issues at the Legacy Park, so I'm really nervous to walk there. It's going to bring in a lot more, unfortunately, of those people hanging around, which is a safety issue. I called the Tustin police. They came. They said they can't do anything because these people have got restraining orders against them. So... It was really bad. They were shooting up whatever it was in the restrooms at the Tustin Legacy where the restaurant is. So we all had to wait outside. They were washing and bathing there. So it's all very well having these parks. First of all, it's going to bring in so many people into the area that We really don't want there because of the traffic. So please would you, I don't know how you're going to deal with the homeless, but unfortunately they're here, but it's a safety issue. So you might have to put more police or something that's going to protect us because we can't walk there. We can't really relax. Thank you.

Any other requests to speak? Madam City Clerk?

No, Mr. Mayor.

All right, I'm going to close public comment, bring it back to Council and I will just we're going to try to be as brief as possible up here, although. When you run for office, you tend to talk a lot, so bear with us. So I'm going to kind of just give an overview of what I heard and I appreciate and we appreciate all of the comments we really do. Part of this process and I heard a couple of comments about you know, how's our input being incorporated into the plan? Well, this is part of that process. We have done extensive outreach. We have a professional communications firm that's been doing in-person, virtual, online texts, emails. We are collecting all that data and ultimately shaping the community that you all and we all will enjoy now and in the future. And what I've heard tonight is not inconsistent with what we've heard in that process and what we've heard. But just some highlights. Veterans, generally, how do we pay homage to our veterans? How do we provide services and facilities to our veterans? How do we do something special with a veterans monument, potentially, a national monument? Part of the video actually said just that, that we have heard that loud and clear, and we agree with you. And we're trying to explore opportunities with the federal government the navy still owns the 85 acres including the north hangar and around it and you know we're trying to dream big how do we get some federal dollars to do something really special with what remains of the north hangar that we tragically lost in addition to that facilities programs for veterans and seniors i heard that as well part of building senior focused facilities at the tustin legacy and elsewhere throughout the community we understand that we have to meet the needs of our residents it's not just where they live but what they do and how they interact with the community. So taking that to heart. Some public amenities as we explore the park system, and that's what Mr. Kellerman spoke about, you know, the big ideas, the open space and the public park. We need that feedback. What do you want in your park? Do you want 200 acres of grass? Do you want an amphitheater? Do you want a public pool? Do you want a veterans hospital? Do you want another library? Do you want... in our tree range i mean those are actually ideas that some people are afraid to say originally we had a golf course that was designed around the train station that got pulled out of the plan a long time ago if that's something that the entire community wanted we'd build a golf course we wouldn't have a lot of money to pay for anything else but that's what we would do so we do appreciate your input and this council i know each of us five are really committed to listening and incorporating the feedback into the plan that is a moving and and developing uh plan and then concerns obviously crowding density traffic parking we are keenly aware of that two of us up here live in the tustin legacy area we understand the impacts we understand that when you have a new development and anybody that lives in tustin you have a new development There are cars that show up that weren't there before, and they may park in the streets that you're used to being empty. We are very aware of that. At the same time, we are trying to respond to state mandated housing laws that say if we don't build housing, we won't get money that we need for those very roads and those very parking spaces that you all want. So we're trying to strike that balance. We're taking that very seriously. And then I heard about the South Hanger. The one section of the video outlined the costs for the South Hanger. It surprises people every time I say this, but we're spending over a million dollars a year to secure the South Hanger. And that's money that is your money and our money that probably could be used better once we have a plan for the South Hanger, which is why we moved to engage a broker to see if we can get somebody to help pay for it, protect it, bring it up to code. The cost that we have, the estimate to bring it up to code for commercial use or some exciting use, $271 million. That's a lot of money that the city does not have sitting around in the general fund to just do. So we're trying to engage the community to do that. And yes, we are keenly aware of the risk and the safety risk and hazard that a fire could have on the community, which is why you see the big fence that went around the Southanger. There's other things that I won't tell you about, but don't try to hop the fence. There's onsite security, there's cameras, there's spotlights on that facility because we know it is a risk. And we want to protect it. So that's this kind of an overview of what I heard. And then I'll open it up to council for other reactions. But I kind of wanted to just give us a baseline there. Council Member Gallagher.

ALL RIGHT, JUST FOR EXPEDITING THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT ANYTHING. YOU DID A GREAT JOB ROUNDING IT OUT AND ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. THE ONE I DIDN'T HEAR WAS THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT A 2SD. AND WE OBVIOUSLY TAKE TRANSPARENCY, PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND RECEIPT OF THE INPUT VERY SERIOUSLY. AT GREAT EXPENSE AND TIME DID IT TAKE TO PUT THIS EVENT ON AS IT DID LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE. THIS IS SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE. WHAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR WAS ANYTHING ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE LMA FACILITY AND SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT WE DID NOT GET ANY UPDATES FROM OUR PARTNERS HERE AT THE BASE I AM THE SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE LEGACY I KNOW HEARING FROM A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS WE'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE LMA EXPANSION WE'VE HEARD RUMORS ABOUT A DISTRICT HEADQUARTERS THERE And so we want to make sure that information gets back to you. And so I do want to make sure, this is my comment to staff mainly, is that we owe it to the public to get that information from our partners. There's a lot of information that contractually they're obligated to provide us. And so we want to take a deeper dive into what that relationship is supposed to be, make sure we return it to that state, and then come back in a timely fashion so we can report back to the public. Because one of the key, if anyone read the agenda, one of the key elements of the LRA, the local reuse authority, is that we are to communicate and engage with the public. And as I said, we take that seriously. And so we do need to come back. We cannot wait a year to do that. That is important. The second piece was we didn't hear about it today, but South Orange County Community Community College District is also in planning phase. They did submit information, which we do appreciate, and it was presented in the packet online, just not in the video. But there's some concerns about the use at that site. One of those is mentioned is a top tennis THIS IS A PRIVATE FACILITY, IN MY OPINION, THAT IS NOT EDUCATIONAL. EDUCATIONAL IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT SERVES OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. IT SERVES OUR BROADER COMMUNITY OF TUSTON. A PRIVATE FACILITY IN MY MIND DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT NEED, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF BRINGING THOSE PARTNERS IN. SO I DO ALSO WANT TO USE THIS AS AN OPENING TO ENGAGE WITH THEM. to bring them into a similar community feedback posture so that we're partnering with them and partnering with the community to make sure we're giving something that we as a community need and want. And so I'll keep my comments to that. But I do want to also express my gratitude to everyone being here today. I know it's a huge commitment, but your input, a lot of the comments I heard tonight, these are comments we've heard before and they are being integrated. And so just thank you for taking the time and the courage to come up and express your opinion. Thank you.

Thank you. Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just want to thank staff for doing a yeoman's job and putting together this video. When you watch it, you realize what an immense lift the legacy development is. I mean, a lot of things going on, a lot of moving parts. And I want to compliment staff and particularly on the real estate side for coordinating a lot of that. So thank you very much for doing that. So it's good to see that, good to get a complete perspective. We see segments of that in our meetings as the projects come forward and being briefed about them, but seeing it all at the same time, it's pretty impressive. So some of the things that I think we really, really take very seriously And take great care in is our veterans and our military history because of the Marine Corps Air Station and its history. So just be aware that we do take that seriously. We do value it. And we are here to support it. So I just wanted to let you know that. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I THINK PROBABLY HALF THE CROWD'S ALREADY GONE TO HAVE AN IN-N-OUT BURGER, SO I'M DONE.

Thank you, Mayor. I just want to try to be brief and note a couple things. One is about the movie that you all saw, and I do appreciate staff. I think it was very informative about, especially about the process, obviously things that have occurred, developments that have occurred, but taking you through how that happens. So I was really glad to see that so that you have some insight. That process has not always been like that. So a lot of the development that has happened in years past has happened in a I don't want to say it hasn't necessarily gone in that as well laid out and as open. There is a difficulty with that in that in that process and being transparent as much as there is an effort by the city to do that. A lot of these are You heard a lot about land negotiations and deals that the city has, and that's a little bit different than when you see the projects on privately owned land like we've had in the last year and a half since I've been on the council at Cypress Grove, the old financial center project. THE RED HILL PROJECT ANDERLEY CENTER. AND WHAT THAT ENDS UP MEANING IS IT JUST WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO BE TO TELL YOU WHAT'S COMING. AND IT ALSO TAKES MORE ENGAGEMENT FROM YOU TO SEE THAT BECAUSE ON THOSE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'LL MAKE THOSE DEALS AND THEN PUT THEM UP AND IT'LL BE IN FRONT OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS COUNCIL. AND A LOT OF TIMES ON THE LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY HERE IN THE LEGACY, We're negotiating that. It's not trying to hide that, but we're trying to make this work financially for the city, for you as the taxpayers. So just please know that that's going on. The second thing is they did mention the Southanger competitive offering that process is starting. That's going to be very different than most of these because the Southanger really is A UNIQUE RESOURCE. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO OUR BEST TO PRESERVE THAT. YOU SAW SOME OF THE COSTS, THE MAYOR MENTIONED SOME OF THE COSTS. THERE WOULD BE COSTS TO NOT PRESERVING THAT TOO. So it cost more than $100,000 when the North Hanger disappeared on us. So it would cost a lot of money to take down the South Hanger. So there's a lot of challenges there. We do need some investment from the private sector, I think, from government, from the federal government, from others, and maybe a unique unicorn that comes forward at some point to reuse that. I wanted to briefly comment on some of the other developments, because several people have mentioned veterans serving. And I think it's very important that on this land, we have not just a monument, but veterans serving. And somebody mentioned a veterans hospital. I think that would be fantastic. It is something that I've had conversations with. IT IS A LARGE INVESTMENT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE INVESTMENT OF AT LEAST STATE DOLLARS AND PROBABLY VETERANS VA DOLLARS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S INCUMBENT FOR US AS A COUNCIL, FOR US AS A COMMUNITY TO PUSH FOR THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP AND MORE PEOPLE JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT SOME VETERANS SERVING IDEA. I DO APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I KNOW THAT WE NOW IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS OR SO HAVE APPOINTED A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM TO LIAISE WITH THE TUSD BOARD MEMBERS. SO I'M HOPING THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THAT TUSD FOR SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN DOING THAT WITH THE CITY OF IRVINE. SO WE HAVE TO ENGAGE ON THAT FRONT. AND I HAVE SEEN TALK TO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT THE PROPOSED NEW DISTRICT OFFICES. AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT C STREET OFFICE MANY, MANY TIMES AND IT WOULD BE DISAPPOINTING BUT UNDERSTANDABLE GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THAT FACILITY, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO OUT HERE. FINALLY, I'LL JUST NOTE THE FIRST THING THAT WAS SAID IN THAT VIDEO IS EVERY GREAT COMMUNITY BEGINS WITH A VISION. And that's the key to this all. And so as you're giving this input, whether it's an archery range or a veterans hospital, what is the vision, especially for that North Hangar site, the South Hangar? What is our vision for that? Like I said, I've got some ideas that I've talked about, but we need to develop that more as a community. We're in that process, but keep TELLING US YOUR IDEAS KEEP TELLING YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THOSE IDEAS ENCOURAGING YOUR NEIGHBORS TO GET INVOLVED IN THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I WILL SAY JUST A NOTE ABOUT THE LIBRARY ANOTHER LIBRARY OUT HERE WOULD BE A VERY USEFUL POSSIBILITY AS WELL THOUGH I WILL SAY I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD SO I REPRESENT OUR CITY ON THAT BOARD AND CHAIR THAT COMMITTEE Tustin has the largest library in the county system with the most people served. So it's a great system. I completely understand the idea of as we grow, we might need another facility. That's something that we should really consider and put into these plans too. And so appreciate that.

Thank you, man. Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tem Schnell.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, listening to all the comments, I'm sitting here and I'm feeling extremely grateful and proud, very grateful and proud of staff and all the work that they put in for today, but also all the work that they put in over the last, you know, four or five years to bring this vision to become a reality. I'm also very grateful and proud of our community. I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I THINK WE HAD 300, 350 PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP TO LEND THEIR VOICE TO TALK TO US, TO GIVE US THE FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT THE CITY OF TUSTON TO BE 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS. AGAIN, IT'S NOT OUR CITY. I MEAN, WE'LL CYCLE OFF city council off this dais. But it's really a city that we all want to build out and enjoy for, you know, generations to come. And I'm just really grateful and proud to be a city councilman and have the, you know, the blessing, the humble blessing and the opportunity to serve the people of Tustin and hopefully make good decisions that will have positive generational impact. YOU KNOW, IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS VIDEO, AND I'LL WRAP UP MY COMMENTS VERY QUICKLY, THERE WERE FOUR THINGS THAT WERE SAID. THE FIRST WAS IT'S A LONG-TERM PROMISE, AND IT HAS BEEN. IT'S BEEN ABOUT 25 YEARS SINCE WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY, AND I REALLY FEEL THAT PREVIOUS CITY COUNCILS, AND THIS CITY COUNCIL PARTICULARLY, HAS REALLY DELIVERED uh on that um you know if you if you calculate all the different uh projects that are either uh in disposition or in development it's about 140 acres of land and it's all sorts of housing stock it's affordable housing it's senior housing it's market rate it's retail so it's really important that we build housing for all folks that live in tustin second um history meets possibility when you take a look at that piece of land 450 acres of land that we have left it is endless possibilities and other cities would give their right and their left arm to have the wonderful opportunity, economic opportunity that we have to build that out. The third comment that was made in the very beginning is build thoughtfully, listen carefully and create community that feels connected and welcoming. And this is an effort there's been other times we've we've done it but this is a really big effort to do that to bring community in to talk about what you want not what we want but what the community wants tustin to be and then lastly the story is still being written and we're all the authors so following through on that thread it's really critical that we continue to have this outreach that we continue to hear from the community about the different things they want whether it's a library whether it's archery veterans. I mean, John and I are on the veterans ad hoc. I'm the son of a retired general. Honoring the military history of Tustin is exceptionally and extremely important to myself personally, and I know it's important to the folks that are out there and the folks that are on this die. So thank you very much. Thanks for your attendance, and we look forward to talking to you outside and hopefully grabbing an In-N-Out burger.

Thank you, I will be brief. I'm going to consolidate what I've heard and also address staff. So just for a little bit of baselining, we do reach out as Councilmember Gallagher said, we do reach out to our partners on the base, South Orange County Community College District, Rancho Santiago Community College District, the OC Rescue Mission in the Village of Hope, the County of Orange, Tustin Unified School District. We got responses from all of them except for Tustin Unified, and that's a major bummer in my mind. They're so important. FOR THE TAXPAYERS THAT LIVE IN THE ENTIRE CITY TO BE AT THE TABLE AND PROVIDING UPDATES TO US AND INFORMATION AND COLLABORATING WITH US AND QUITE FRANKLY WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT HAPPEN RIGHT NOW AND SO I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO EXPLORE WAYS THAT WE CAN AS COUNCILMEMBER GALLAGHER SAID BRING THEM BACK TO THE TABLE get the data that we need under the contracts that we have with them, and see if we can get back together, as it were, in serving the same people, the kids and the parents and the homeowners of Tustin. Second, South Orange County Community College District, if you're confused when we say that, that's ATEP. That's the property across from Veterans Sports Park, and it's where, you know, it was supposed to be a community college, but it's also where Vantech, the new chip manufacturing headquarters is, North American headquarters is. The letter that they submitted, the chancellor submitted in response to our request for this meeting, invited us to reopen the disposition and agreement with them to make some adjustments. And I would say let's take them up on that offer. I know I'm hearing from the community what we want out there. And if we're going to reopen it, let's let's talk. I think that we can. We can collaborate with them. And I appreciate the progress that they've made in the last five years, building the IVC building and the Saddleback building and fulfilling their obligations. And then I just missed something earlier. There was a comment about homelessness. As we're building out the Tustin Legacy, the goal is, as I said in the beginning, to build a community, a part of our city that has incorporated into it additional fire services, water, police. So we put that into the economic model that we've built. We know we have to hire more cops. WE ACTUALLY JUST MADE ATEP WHICH IS DOWN THE STREET FROM WE ACTUALLY JUST MADE ATEP WHICH IS DOWN THE STREET FROM WE ACTUALLY JUST MADE ATEP WHICH IS DOWN THE STREET FROM HERITAGE ELEMENTARY HERITAGE ELEMENTARY HERITAGE ELEMENTARY LAST YEAR A POLICE SUBSTATION LAST YEAR A POLICE SUBSTATION LAST YEAR A POLICE SUBSTATION SO WE HAVE POLICE LOCAL THERE SO WE HAVE POLICE LOCAL THERE I've been around. You lived in Columbus Square for the last 10 years. You know that originally that was going to be something else. And the resident said, no way. And so and we heard that we put put a police substation there. So we get it. And we're keeping an eye on that. All right. With that, thank you all so much for being here. I missed asking the city attorney if he has a report. Do you have a report, Mr. City Attorney? No further report this evening. Mr. City Manager, you want to say anything to wrap it up?

Nothing to add. Thank you, Mayor.

Okay. Go to the Sunset Market on Thursday in Old Town and go also to the El Camino Park ribbon cutting on Thursday next week, August 25th at 5 p.m. And with that, let's go outside. If you have anything else to say to us, we'll be out there. We're going to adjourn. The next meeting is on Tuesday, September 1st, 2026. We're closed session meeting at 4.30 and the regular business meeting at 6 p.m. Thank you so much.