Planning Board - Regular Meeting

going to turn on the recording. No. Yes. Stand for the pledge. Pledge, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Please remove your hats to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, justice for all. I would like to call the October 21st meeting to order. Make sure you speak loudly. Just Oh, yeah. Because we're we got a new audio here. Okay. Yeah.

Thank you. And take attendance. Jim Scully here. Jim Shufelt present. Jeff York present.

Tony Dickinson present. I will be acting as chair tonight. Uh Peter Kho is absent. The next we were going to approve the minute the meeting minutes of uh last month. However, I did find a couple of small errors in them. So, we're going to have them done and we will vote on them next month. And with only four members present tonight, uh we still will need three votes to approve or deny any motion. First on our agenda is PL PB2025-000040 at 1819 Fifth Avenue.

Lindsay, why don't you come up here? I got to go in 1819.

Okay. Hello everyone. Um this is our second time in front of the board. Um I believe at the last meeting this matter was tabled pending the zoning board's approval of an area variance which we did obtain at the October meeting of the zoning board. So at this stage we are hoping to receive approval for the subdivision. Yes, we submitted an easement, a draft easement for review um as well as um documentation reflecting that the uh wall between the two buildings was fire rated. Okay.

Um someone raised a objection to the ement agreement. Is is it your understanding that the building two which is the commercial building right? Yes. Right. Will be responsible for maintaining the driveway. Is that is that what the easement agreement says? Yeah. I mean you can make any arrangement you want. I just wonder someone pointed that out. Yeah. They're responsible for Mina. Um, if they don't keep the maintenance, then the owner of block one has the ability to do so at the owner of block 2's expense. Okay.

I have no other questions. No other questions. Um, anybody on the board like to ask anything? Sorry, guys. I need you to project your voices. I'm sorry. We have a telephone that's central to the table, so we want to just make sure everybody's heard. Okay. Um, does the board have any questions? No. No. No questions. Okay. Is there anybody want to open this to the public? Does anybody have any comments?

Hi everybody. Stephen Maples. Um I've sent comments in. I think it's very cut and dry that this is not appropriate. This this proposal does not meet the criteria for a subdivision. I think it's pretty straightforward, pretty cut and dry. Does not meet the purpose. Does not meet the criteria. And I think that the only logical uh action today is to not approve it. Thanks so much. Okay. Is there anybody on Zoom?

No. Okay. So, may I get a motion for final approval? Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to move this toward final approval. I second. All in favor? I posted this pass. Congratulations. Thank you very much. So if you want to bring in a fresh flag, I will get the signatures. Thank you.

I am going to take uh the next one out of order. I'd like to go to PLPB 20250054 for Senator 79 Brunswick Road. Is there anyone here to speak on Mr. Sorry, a little bit.

Yeah. State your name. I'm Neil Palone. I'm an architect working with the owners the Ali's uh cemetery. Uh, my client's looking to demolish an existing house that was used as a caretaker and storage building and that's their hoping to uh have this done a few months ago. Yeah. Could you I'm sorry. Could you project?

Yeah. So, we're they're hoping to remove an old building that's no longer in service. We've Oh, there we go. with this house here. They've provided a uh a postdemolition property condition assessment which I can either read into the record or if you guys have familiar with this project. Um essentially they don't need the building. It's becoming a nuisance since it's vacant. They'd like permission to take it down. All right. Does anybody on the board have any questions?

Will be will you be using this parcel for uh grave sites? Curious. Uh not to my knowledge. They're they're leaving the pavement. There is circulation uh close to the building site. You can't really see it in the photo, but there's a loop. We've been there. So that that house technically sits on a little side parcel and then there's 57 acres nearly adjacent to it. There's there's no plans to develop that site. You're just going to demolish it, fill it in, and seat it. I understand. How old How old is it though?

For 1940s, I believe is what they said. It's not quite old enough to be interesting, unfortunately. Okay. So, may I um is anybody in the audience would like to speak on on this? Okay. Hearing none. Anybody on Zoom? No. Okay. Um well, let's continue. Can I get a motion to declare this proposal is unlisted under secret? I'd like to make a motion to declare it unlisted under seekers. I second. Okay. Everybody in favor? I I

opposed. Okay. Next, I'd like to make a motion to declare a negative declaration. Under speaker, we just said right. You just said it was unlisted. Oh, we said unlisted and then we do a Did I say No, you're right. Negative declaration under speaker. Um, you like second? Yeah. I'd like to uh Oh, you made a motion. I made a motion. Okay. Everybody in favor? I I

Anybody opposed? Okay. So, um I would like to make a motion to declare this application as complete and set a hearing for next month. If that's motion Oh, I'm sorry. I would like to make a motion to declare this application as complete. I second. Okay. Can I get a vote? I I Any negatives? Okay. All right. So, will the applicant be ready for the public hearing for next month on November 18th?

Uh, we're ready now. Well, you have to be two meetings. Seriously? Yes. It has to be a meeting and then a public hearing. So, those are our rules. Okay. So then I will make a motion to have this brought before us on November 18th for public hearing. A second. If in favor I posted pass. We'll see you next month. What's the date next month? November 18th.

Thank you. You're welcome.

Okay. Um, next I'd like to bring up PLPC204-0019 Eddies Lane Residential Development. Is there anyone here to speak on this proposal? Yes. Okay. We have your name and position, please. Sure. Uh I'm Nick Costa. I'm with Advanced Engineering and Surveying and uh uh we prepare the documents that have been submitted to planning board. The consideration of the development of this uh almost 11 acre parcel located off of uh Oak Avenue. Go bring it up in a second. Uh and u

which one?

Uh bring in the aerial so we can see it. uh the global view the parcel. So as you can see uh it's a odd shaped lot. Uh there's Eddie there's uh if you don't mind walking up here there's uh Oakward Avenue that runs uh right here and then Eddie Lane comes down. Rio Park is over over here and the Martin Luther King apartments are uh just west of this parcel. Um so what the applicant is proposing here uh BF acquisitions 2 is to build a road and uh nine buildings uh with eight apartments in each one of those uh for 72 units and uh along with the roadway there'll be all the infrastructure to provide municipal uh city water uh city sanitary sewer um and uh uh there is a a fail um that uh is being proposed. Sometimes they don't.

I can point it out for you.

No, I thanks Eric. But that's a that's a trail system. Uh so there's been a substantial amount of uh documentation that's been submitted. uh all the uh site drawings uh the EAF uh a project narrative uh geotechnical report uh uh storm water sweep uh that's been done on this uh so it's uh pretty far along as far as the the development of of the parcel. Uh it it will uh Eric, can we go to the site? right there. So, this this shows uh all the topography on the site. You can see there is there are areas uh of the site that uh are fairly uh steep, especially towards the north of the parcel. Uh those dark lines are uh they're two-ft contours. Uh there is a a drainage uh swale that uh drains from Freer Park uh across Oakwood discharges and goes down keeps going down uh you know through the Martin Luther and and down to the river. So you know this is a fairly steep area. Uh I think the the na nature uh trail will be very nice in here. This is a heavily wooded forested area that has some substantial uh trees and and walking through there will be very very nice. They're passive trails you know

that uh would be a nice activity. uh the roadway along the roadway there'll be it'll be very similar to a si city street. There'll be parking on each side of the of the of the road a parallel parking and then there there is a a parking uh lot right in that area right there where uh the residents will be able to uh to park. Uh there was a TM TDMP uh done for this. Uh so um there's there are several uh u pretty much uh all the all the work has been done. I do want to clarify some items from the staff report. I did speak with the applicant. Uh they they will not turn the road over to the city. It will be a private road. And also because the P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T PM P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P T P TMmpt recommended to have a a an auxiliary lot, they're going to keep that parcel. So, uh uh in the future if they need to develop that parking lot, uh they they wouldn't have to come to the city and and deal with the city to uh pay the parking that's shown in in dash in dash lines right there.

So, can you can you repeat that again for me? and lost. So that parcel is owned by your already now. Yes. They they're under contract to buy both. Okay. And that's an existing lot on the left. Okay. Yeah, it is. Uh it's a it's owned by the same entity that owns the the lot where we're showing. Okay. And they were going to they were going to donate to that to the city, but instead of donating to the city, they're going to keep it because of that potential need to have to uh uh add parking. Uh so you when you say add parking for future development,

no, for future uh if if the if the development finds that they don't have sufficient parking, they they would they would develop. Okay, I see where you're going. Okay. So, how many spots do you have going around that circle? I I think it's uh 70 76 I believe it is. Sufficient for it 72. The the TDMP uh uh presents that and and that is sufficient. I think that it says it needs 72 or 74, right, Eric? There's at least one parking stall per unit,

right? There's at least one parking stall per unit. Uh but the the TDMP also says that uh there is an auxiliary parking lot if necessary that uh they find that they need more parking, they they can develop that parking. Um you had mentioned that there are nine buildings, aren't there just eight buildings? Uh, sorry. I think your first proposal last year was nine buildings. No, I think it was even more than that. I think we had uh 11 buildings because it was 90 some units. Oh, okay. Down to 72 units.

And uh they're all the same size. Last year uh when we initially presented there was some four units and some six units. Now they're all eight units. No, I think eight and 10. I think there's four 10. According to the latest proposal, I saw there were four 10 units. Four times 10. That's correct. Because there's a there's basement units, too. Uh that I'm sorry that the the units on the perimeter the right there the uh their basement there's there's basement units on this because they the the grade drops. So that's all every perimeter building. No, no, just those those three.

Those? Yes, those three. Okay,

um now these will all be rented. Yes, it'll be all rental apartments. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And just out of curiosity, uh will you have an HOA or is this all going to be taken care of by your pro? Yeah, by the property owners uh or you know they they it's an it's a typical apartment complex where they uh they take care of all the maintenance and uh the streets and the uh ways yeah all that kind of stuff are not supposed to dedicate

No that I'm sorry you weren't here I retracted that from the project man And will these all be market rate? Market rate. Yes. And Eric, if you don't mind going to the apartment. Uh the architectural. Let's bring up the There's two different types. Uh there's one with basement. Either one. Above on the other side of

the king down. So the these are the floor plans of the units, the first and second floor. If you scroll, there's the elevations and some renderings of the of the buildings. So all of your apartments are two bedrooms and one bedroom. Correct. That's correct.

I like the design. Thank you. So if there are any questions or members have any questions? Nobody's good. Okay. Um is anybody in the audience that would like to speak on this proposal? Anybody on Zoom? That's us.

You're much more handsome on television. It's good to have the meeting here. Okay. Um, may I get a motion to declare our intent to act as lead agency? I'll move to declare us as lead agency. A second. All those in favor? I opposed. Motion is passed. Okay. Um may I get a motion to declare this as a type one action under speaker?

Your reference. We noted that it was a type one action because it's an unlisted action that's substantially contiguous to a historic structure and exceeds 25% of a type one threshold. Meaning that they have 50 units. The type one threshold is 200. That is why it's type one. I'd like to make a motion to declare a type one uh action under seeker. I second the motion. Okay. All those in favor? I I

opposed. Question is. So I I do I understand that um Nick has a copy of our staff. Yes. Review and report. So hopefully the next meeting we can come up with lots of answers and yes

whatever we need. Um so does the board feel that this application could be complete? I'd like to make a motion to declare the application complete. I second the motion. Any in favor? I I Jeffrey, did you vote? Yeah. I Sorry. I

Are there variances that are going to be as far as project? Uh that there's a couple of measurements. Yes. Looking for that scale and I couldn't couldn't find it. Okay. 40. So what is what is the distance between the parking lot's closest edge to ED? Yeah. I think that was the only variance that I had noticed might be needed. They might be needed. I'll check that.

So I drove down there tonight before I came. So, as I'm driving down, there's a there was an empty space that was kind of lots of dirt and everything. Is that where the parking area would be? Yeah. On the left hand side, as you drive down that city link, uh that would be where the parking the auxiliary parking would be. On the right hand side before it starts getting steep, uh there's already an existing drive that, you know, you can actually drive in there. That's going to be the drive going into the into the site. So, your plan right now is to leave the parking area of this application. Yes. And we understand that uh we'll probably have to come back and get a special use permit and a variance. You're saying,

well, he doesn't need a variance from the side that Well, the part with with respect to since the parking lot's not necessarily the focus of this proposal, the variance I was referring to was the parking lot area that's actually part of the development. Oh, okay. And its proximity to Eddie's Lane. Yeah. There's there's 10 parking spaces uh that are shown before the first building uh starts on the outdoor loop. Uh and those those parking spaces may be close to that 30 foot step. Yeah. But that's all part of this application. Yes. So we're not not mixing apples and oranges or something.

So I I gave Nick and and you're aware um if they choose to install um auxiliary parking then they would have to come back for a site plan. And I would also just maybe echo a little bit of um um caution that there should be some pedestrian connectivity should that ever Yes. Well, we're bringing the sidewalk all the way out to Oakwood Avenue. So, you know, we would just need a crosswalk, right, to and then a walkway to the parking lot. That's correct.

So, we've got a 30-day waiting period. The notices have to go out for intent to act as lead agency. Right. Right. And I don't know if it might be two months since Right. So we're and then if they need if they if they need an area of variance, they may have to go to the zoning board. Correct. The closest you might be able to schedule a hearing would be December. Schedule it tenatively for December. And if they need a variance, then you can direct them according. Oh, I shouldn't have that answer by by this week. Oh, yeah. Only got 30 days. So, right,

right. But if we schedule the hearing in December, right? That's right. Okay. I'd like to make a motion to uh to schedule a public hearing in December uh third Tuesday in December for this application. All right. Oh, excuse me. The 16th. Sorry about that. No one wants to come. Be in your favor. We'll be married. I think the cemetery be in their favor for sure. All right. A second. Epic. December 16th. Thank you. All those in favor? I I question.

Thank you. So, we will see you in December. December. December. Y um can I just ask one question? Are you going to be allowing allowing animals in your building? Do you know that yet? I don't know that. I I'll find out though whether pets are allowed or not. Yeah. But that would also have to be part of a site plan, I think, as far as things that we need. Okay. I I think there I think there may be because I think at one point we might have had a dog park. Oh, that's Yeah, I remember. Yeah. But I I'll check. I think small dog. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Sure. Think about our continuing professional education for the end of year, right? I'm only I'm only one hour I'm only one hour short. You've already done it. Last year I did well this year I'm only short one I think. Last year

they scheduled that one time last year where we did a bunch of 12 hours. All of them last year. Yeah, I think it's an annual requirement. I think you can carry over though. You can carry over four or something like that. Okay. Will they? I haven't looked at it in a while. So, will they be sending out Eric send out what we we can sign up for like they did last year? No. Question for Eric. Maybe Eric should tell us. What's the question? They're talking about continuing education.

Guess last year you there was a notice of some sort that was sent out about available courses or maybe Randy did it. I'm not sure. Yeah, we can get that. Cool. Okay. All right. So, the next item on our agenda is PLPB 2025-000056 uh 417 through 425 River Street Browning. Someone here to speak on the proposal. You look just like Gary Brown. What's up with that? Trek us trying to trick us in a long time.

Right. Yeah.

My name is Jack Byer. I'm an architect with Goldstone Architecture. I'm here with my colleagues Jeff Goldstone, Tim Severance, and Mr. Gary Brown, the owner of the Browns Brewing and Rev Hall establishments. and we're here to talk about uh our plan for multi-phased um project that uh involves both buildings. Um and that's a little bit difficult to see on the screen there, but um this is a site plan of the rear of the two parcels um showing, you know, the the improvements um plan for the for this um for the building at the grade level. We have to go to the elevations

probably. Yeah. Uh or the the renderings. Um you know, we can start and start with with that and you know, go from there. Um so looking at the the river side,

tip over the river side of of the complex there, we're looking at um removal. So four phases of the project. first phase to start in the spring is essentially the removal and replacement and expansion of all the outdoor dining areas um related to the two business establishments, Browns Brewing and um Rev Hall. Um what you're looking at here is is what would be the completion at the at the end of the fourth phase. But the second phase would would include that that central um entrance tower addition to the building which is like a glass enclosed space there. Three stories. Um and then if you look above that uh little um bumpout is also an addition to the building and that's to provide um we'll be putting in a new elevator to to access all the floors of the building. Um and that little connector building is going to provide access from the elevator to a fourth floor dining establishment which is an existing rooftop um deck area which is all the way to the upper right there below the sign. Um so there'll be a partial um development of the fourth floor or um an oyster bar, you know, dining and and um entertainment establishment there. Um and then the third phase is mostly all interior which is going to be development of a new commercial kitchen for the facility on the um lowest level of the building and some interior renovations to take advantage of um the moving of the kitchen with some additional dining area. Um and the fourth phase uh is going to be the development of the upper three floors of the building which are currently unoccupied spaces and those will be developed into residential

apartment units. Um 11 units planned for that area. Um so four phases hope to you know start first phase in spring. Um we're you know in the process of developing the you know full construction documents for all that work. Um and uh

so does this application cover all four phases? Yeah, the the the goal is to try to, you know, we're trying to represent what's going to be completed at at the completion of the four phases so that, you know, the the ownership can move, you know, year by year from one phase to the next with the goal of completing, you know, all four phases within a, you know, four or five year period. Um, and so we're hoping that this would cover that full um full scope of the of the work. Yeah. um maybe look at the the renderings. It's a little bit easier to kind of see um you know what what it's going to look like from from the renderings. Um the the the goal is really um you know both what's there now is is deteriorating and um you know there's a lot of issues with water penetration through the decks and and um deteriorating the steel structure. So all that's, you know, kind of at the end of its life, got to be removed and be replaced. But, you know, in addition to sort of replacing what's there, it's just an expansion to to provide some more dining space um and um you know, create a a much more uh distinct entrance from the riverside uh so that uh people who are looking for the facility know where to go and um can safely, you know, access the the building. We have um developed a sort of a a pedestrian walkway along the back that's sort of tucked underneath tucked underneath the the balconies and protecting uh you know people who are trying to access the building with some heavy duty concrete uh um planters. Um so you know really with a change in in in uh in um paving application you know creating a sense of a walkway to the to the facility that's you know more

protected and and more you know direct. Um and then from that point accessing to the to the interior of the building we have a a covered walkway that goes up steps to the first level and directly um into the facility under cover. So, you know, rain and snow things, you know, it's more safer access to the building and egress, obviously. And so, that'll be the entrance to the apartments in the future as well.

So, there there are um there will be multiple entrances to the apartments. There's there will be two um stair towers that are existing that will ser serve as access as well as the elevator to the um residential units. And there there are two points of access to those stair towers from the front of the building. And then there would be one uh additional uh accessible entrance from the rear of the building which you would the the decks to the elevator access. Yeah. So yeah, actually if you go back to the floor plans. Yeah. Right here. So

this is actually going to be a walkway back to a wall here where there's an elevator. Excuse me. A door. Uh, if you go to the the lower floor floor, that's that's the first floor. You need to go to the ground floor on the site plan. Site plan. Sorry. Go to the site plan. Sorry.

Yeah. Right here. Okay. So, right here. So yeah, you can go basically under the deck through a secure gate back to what would be the new addition, this three threetory tower building into an entrance lobby and get into the elevator from there to go up to the you know any of the floors up. So that was accessible entrance for both for the business establishments as well as the residential units. So that is going to end up being where there's a deck there. Now the staircase goes up to it and that connects to the other old deck. And then also this is now going to connect to decks to the north as well. Uh go to the

is that what it looks like? So this is all grade level but at the first floor level. So you come up this stair from that entrance sort of walking underneath the first floor deck up this stair and straight into the building here. Right. This is all covered. This is a a roof area over this um pergola structure. So you'd have a covered entrance into the building. And that's a new deck to the north, correct? This is that is correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And that that has there's is that over a city easement or would that be a city easement? Yeah. Yes. This it would be existing. That's an existing e building. There's an existing easement. Yeah. For both 417 and 421 through 425. Yep. Are there any utilities underneath?

Do you have the language for the easement? Uh, we have them indicated on the site. I understand it's indicated. I mean, you have the deed the deeds which contain the ements. Can you go to the survey drawing at the end? What we have is surveys from um Yeah. These two um property surveys. Your surveys contain deed and page references? Page references? I don't think so because they like reference old surveys. So, yeah, we'd like to see like the actual ease. We We need to see the D any utilities under the Well, that would be another question, too. We're going to have to check with Do you Are you aware of any utilities under there?

The utilities that that serve the building? Yeah. Yeah. So, there's a there's two sewer lines that exit out the rear of the building that will have to be um any larger city infrastructure. I mean, sometimes water manes are behind these buildings that you're aware of. Not that I'm aware. Not that we're aware of at the moment. No. That's what Andrew Golden had mentioned as well, but we could double check. Pretty sure Andrew is not on there any You guys use a lot of water and sewer now, but we're going to double that almost, right? Is that is that what we're looking to do? If everything all four phases go, you got 19 apartments, 30 people,

11 apartments, 19 11 apartments with 19 bedrooms. Oh, I Okay. All right. Are you making any additional provision for parking or No. Are you losing any parking spaces? No. And how many decks how many how many levels is are the deck of the rear deck? Well, depends on what you call a level, but um I mean this is really all the first floor level even though there's an adjustment on this portion north portion here. Looks like where the existing deck is. This is where the existing deck.

Exactly. Yeah. This portion here. And this was raised up in order to be able to provide truck access for deliveries to the to the kitchen underneath. And then there's a a new um balcony or dining deck off the second floor. And then this is an existing roof that would be developed into a dining area. Oh, okay. And then this is also an existing roof that would be developed into a dining deck. Will those be covered? No. Upper.

No, just with um awnings, you know, retractable awnings height underneath the deck. Don't I don't remember off hand. No. Um, is that something a measurement you could get? Absolutely. Of course. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So, is is the height of the new first floor deck the same height as the exist? Okay. Yeah. So, you guys get trucks under there now, right? Um, not not a full truck. Or you get a car under there. Now, on the farthest north building, do I see some activity there, too?

This is all good things. Yeah. So that's where uh the room is. Yeah, that's all existing and staying to remain as is. Cool. How uh how tall is the building from from the backside? Ground ground level or grade to like uh 70 ft I think is I think it's just under 70 feet. I could get you more specific. Um the reason I'm remembering that something about um building codes that was a limitation I knew we were under the requirement for the ele

Yeah the elevator yes I think is I'm remembering 70ish but I can get you a specific the elevator sorry just typing in the elevator actually does not travel to the highest floor so we have we don't have any uh penthouse proposed on top and The second to highest floor would connect within double height units top floor.

These two floors would be double height residential units. So the elevator only goes to the fourth floor, not to the fifth floor. And so the instead of having a penthouse up on the roof, the penthouse is on the fifth floor basically for the elevator. One more thing I think Jack didn't mention which the elevator does make the entire building accessible despite the fact that buildings the two buildings of the two masses are at different elevations. So the elevator has doors at each of those elevations. Um it's kind of complicated but they're all accessible now from So you're four stories or five stories wait six stories five stories in the back six in the back five in the front. Five in the front streetscape is the same height as the first floor deck.

Exactly. Yeah. We we we call that one first floor in the and the lower level basement ground floor. Yeah. Or ground floor. So we call it ground ground one, two, three, four, and five. Yeah. And 417 is four stories. The other building is five stories. And they're not aligned, right? So that was the complication with the elevator having a lot of stops to get to all the different floor levels, finding the right location for it. So, it's within the interior of the existing building, but it does um make all the floors accessible. Whereabouts are your uh staircases located? You want to go to the floor plans? Uh we don't they don't show on on those. Do you have the I do have

the um you need you want the PDF or the physics of the um phasing. I can show you on the on the there's one on the basically uh 417 you know as soon as you enter the the facility there's a there's a stair there and then on 425 there's one in the corner here. So

these are phased plans we developed. They're not they're not construction happy to review basically first floor is around first floor. So first floor. So here are the entrances to 417 to the restaurant side and there's a stair directly in front of you there.

So that stair goes up to the fourth floor which is four floors of this building and then there's a stair we go enter the building on this side 425 entrance. There's also a stair directly in front of you there. And that one goes all the way up through the five floors. And those would need to be made um you know fire rated or uh for protected egress from the residential units. But they do they do and there's only one egress from the fifth floor.

No, there' be two there's two egresses from every floor. The the reason that the um on the on the fifth floor because they're all twostory units, you don't have to have, you know, each unit has a single stair down to its lower level and then when you exit the unit, you have two ways out of the building, right? Is it going to be sprinkler? Yes, the building is fully sprinklered and fire alarm. It's fully sprinkler. It is, but it would be it will be um amended to for the resial use res

be brought to to code for the for the due uses. Even the unoccupied portions of the building are currently sprinklers, but they're sprinklered in accordance with a you know open unoccupied plan. So that would all be you're going to have a kitchen a new kitchen. They'll be each unit will have you know um a kitchen and bathroom and so and all the sprinklers would have to be compliant with NFDA um uh 13 starting that uh next year

well we're you know the phase phase one isn't really going to be getting into the residential um portion of it because that's phase four but phase one is going to cover all the replacement of all the decks um and the there's a new building code regulation about elimination of natural gas sources. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Am I right? For new residential, you mean? Oh, for commercial. It's a phase roll out. I don't know exactly. Um, he's existing. He's existing. He's not Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We can write the next one. I think that's Yeah. I don't think commercial you can still burn whatever.

Yeah. uh new residential, new build residential is going to have to be electric, but who knows? Yeah, probably. I don't know if it implies to all heat source either. I think it it's mainly like cooking, right? So, you can still have a gas boiler, but you know, I got two induction cooktops from uh Siden that are real steel. So, don't complain about those. Those are great. Towns love them, too. Once I know how to use them, I feel like I might have to recuse myself because I drank too many cherry raspberries when you built the first one. So, you're adding stairs that's going to make it harder for me.

Good times. Anybody else? All right. Do we need What do we need to do here? Do you have any questions? Always have questions. Um okay. Is there any audience fil?

So I guess the one question is the idea of uh you know rolling this all into one application and maybe also some guidance from you. Are we crossing over some different applications of seeker here or if we took the decks first you know like he's talking about phasing it if we were to approve phase one is that difference than if we approve the whole no project being reviewed collectively is one okay so you know in in in total from the perspective of this board it's it's considered an unlisted. Yeah.

It doesn't get a type, right? And then and even with the residential added correct and the Okay. They would need to have at least 50 50 units. Okay. Okay. So, I get a motion to declare our intent to act as lead agency for I don't think some listed we can do uncoordinated. Okay. you want to declare it.

Okay. So the proposal is anybody want to declare this proposal is unlisted under secret I'll motion to declare uh as unlisted under I will second that motion. Those in favor? I I opposed. So I don't need to declare a negative for this. No, it's uncordinable, but we still you still would want your own declaration to make actions. I mean, did you get

this needs to be revised? I guess need to be revised. What are we missing? they they had filled out the entire EF 20 was left blank. That's not uncommon because it typically autoop populates. Um so it's you know you could just address number 202.

So you you're still going to need a variance. Are you increasing the signage that you have now? Well, this was something that um yeah, we saw the note about the the um request for variance, but um we thought that the each building was allowed 60 square ft. So, it's if it's reviewed based on each building, then we're under the 60 square ft per building. That's how we looked at it. And I don't know if that's, you know, you guys are looking at it differently. Yeah. Yeah. Let me re re analyze that with Angelina. Yep. Um because she's she was the one that kind of

did you go to that elevation? I'm just wanting to make sure that we're all on the same page about what we're reading as a sign. There's a mural there now as you're all aware. That mural will be gone. This much smaller sign that is much smaller than the current mural. the one on the north side, but the north end south end of the west side. Oh, okay. That currently currently there's this this um mural right

on the wall, but since we're going to be putting in um doors on here, we're recreating a new sign that's going to be above the the awning here. So it'll be smaller actually than the mural, but it's just going to be Brown's brewingish. And then so this building that's under 60 square feet and then we looked at it this building and this is the sign for this building and that's under 60 ft. So that's how we looked at it. So I I I tend to agree with you. Um but and just to be sure cuz Angelina brought this up. Um she needs to any square footage of San Francisco building. Okay, we can get that.

I think you're probably still good, but that's a very good point. The calculation is separate for within the river district. It's separate for the the west side. You saw the building are calculated independently, correct? Um no, they've been taken as a whole together. So 60 per building per face. Yeah. Maximum can sign area. Oh, but east and west are separate. I believe that we had that the overlay district allows separate amount of signage on the river side. Uh I'd have to double check.

So I would I would probably I would probably I would agree with your um with your assessment for building. Mhm. So I think that you know when she was looking at the signage details that's on the cover she saw that you guys had like 80.1 square feet. So she gave it a glance over and

I just want to give a heads up for the height of the new is because the red red in the downtown district um needs to be 16 ft under 16 ft needs to be 16 ft. But, you know, like I think that that's probably corresponds to a lot of like access for uh DPW DPU trucks to be able to get under. There might not be there might not be utility lines under there. So, um but nevertheless, it's still like a development standard. Um so, we just want to double check that measurement. So, it's it's the clear dimension underneath the structure. Yeah. And the fact that

get's opinion on it because they're lateral, but they, you know, still got to make sure they have access to their own. This is a replacement an existing deck. That doesn't No, no, no, not that part. In addition, oh, okay. Only the section. Got it. That's why you got that one.

Yeah. on our on our front sheet, we listed the signs individually per um per site. So, yeah, we'll uh we can clean it we can clean it up this week. I'm sure we can get an answer to it all this week. What are the historic people saying? Oh, good good uh question. Yeah, so we did meet um last no with the historic review. Yeah, HRC um they provided four comments back um each oh freedom applicants should make wood railing more prominent larger wood railing. So they don't they don't that's the older one they don't show the older set is it here? Yes.

Yeah. So we did we did uh respond to that by um increasing the size of the wood railing on the decks or on the staircase. Yeah, the guard rails all the decks. Yep. Um we did send that to Eric as an update this morning or or this afternoon. So um and we will follow up with um with uh so this is it. It's hard to see here, but it's a 4x4 basically turned um 45 degrees so that you can't set anything on it. What could go wrong?

We had a I believe the original shows a 5/4 by three wood railing. So, we've increased it significantly and that we actually appreciated that comment. That made a lot of sense.

Um the second comment was investigate alternate mullion patterns of the twotory glass edition and you know we we looked at some uh some options um in the office between us and um quite honestly we we really feel like this is the best um direction for this. um we just feel like it would compromise the design relative to the way that the um pergola structure is centered between the buildings there. So if we tried to align the mullions with the facade that it's behind, we would end up having to you know um make the the entrance pergula asymmetrical to that space and that didn't feel like a good decision from our perspective. So we would, you know, um we did look at them, but we've decided that that's not um something we would want to change. So we would respond in that way. Um hoping that they can see the u you know the reasoning behind the way we're

Were they asking for like divided light? No. Asking for was um these these vertical mullions divide this facade here. They were wanting them to relate more to the the window. Oh, the windows behind the alignment. The alignment. So they would want like in other words for it to be either aligned with those openings or somehow related to that. And so by doing that from our perspective would mean that this element would have to shift and and that didn't make sense for from our perspective for the way that the the space needs to function. And I make comment on that. We we see that as a transparent element and you're seeing through it to the building behind you're

so yeah the existing you're just building around it in my sense of historic preservation you know right I'm on aation commission uh in Vermont and we would definitely argue that don't want to try to replicate yeah you'd rather keep the original facade of the building and then that's right and and make it visible through so that's what we've done we did however and it's not unfortunately we have the non it is on revised We have the ones printed. We did change the mullion pattern on the upper on the connector box, the connector on the fourth floor. Yeah. And I think that is improvement.

We added two vertical dividers on this facade here just because it was it didn't it's not um representing like a more traditional breakdown of glazing, you know, that that the dark building does. and the rest of everything that we are doing does you know have that sort of breakdown of historic you know um proportions and so this really felt like it was it was out of place as a result of that. So we have added verticals here and on this side here to divide that up. So we think that also helps to respond to what they were um asking. The third point was further explore the design option for the pergola in the context of a larger design. And essentially what they were sort of you know getting at with this pergola structure was that it was it felt a little bit over um a little bit comp complex relative to the industrial

um Asian air. So we we have we actually did respond to that and we've come up with um some you know what we feel is actually a better um so it's just it just gives it a little bit more of a of a of a heavy timber feel to the pergola structure here than what we had um originally and you know really does kind of um complement the industrial complex a little bit better as a result. So really it's like the tails that you have. Yeah. It's kind of like the tails and the sizes of the members that you know the sizes of the members. This kind of represents more of a industrial warehousey.

Exactly. Yeah. So, we feel like we've responded to that and we can you know take a look. Yep. Um we can't add those into the packets and stuff like that. So, staff haven't had a chance to review it. I just wanted to put that on the record. So, how should we? So, just send send me over the or if you've already sent them, then we'll we'll add them to next uh the next meeting packet. Okay. So, that uh the rest of the staff Yep.

And then the last thing was um last comment applicate applicant indicated they are working with manufacturer to customize the fixture to provide pendants and wall sconces. This has not yet been finalized. The HRC recommends the applicate uh further investigate the proposed light fixture and return to HRC with a finalized option for review. So we we have a concept um you know fixture that we are working with uh sort of a cylindric cylindrical um fixture that we would utilize for pendants and um and wall sconces. But we we're hoping to work with a company to um customize it a little bit. So it's basically, you know, something like like this is what we're showing here um in the in the rendering. Um, anyway, we're still in the in the process of working with the manufacturer to see what we could come up with that

where where are these going to be? Yeah, let me I think if you just go back to the renderings, I can point them out.

Yeah, the rendering. zoom in on those right there. Uh so for instance inside so you you can see these these pendant fixtures here is so there's in and the interior of the um of the tower structure and then the other way sorry down right there. So then as you you know these are also going to be hanging from the pergola structure sort of lighting the the access walkway from the um the grade level to the entrance to the building. And then all on along the brick facade are the pendant style excuse me style similar fixtures that would um you know be similar shape and design to the to the pendant style fixture. But um as they mentioned, we didn't have anything finalized with the manufacturer specifically to be able to present. So we'll continue to work through that and and provide documentation of that

and and we it is mentioned on the on what we've given to you that we are looking at using weathered steel the core ten steel in a variety of locations and we talking with this particular manufacturer light fixture manufacturer and they can customize their fixture styles both in terms of the preparations the detail at size and also they can do it in cortex too. So that like the guard rail for instance, we have the the planter boxes and the um welded wire mesh and perforated metal. Um those would all be in the weathering steel and then the rest of it would all be painted dark bronze metal and then like the sign for instance would be the weathering steel. So we would like to pick up that sort of weathering steel um in the light fixtures as well. So that's the concept that we're working towards. have everything 100%.

Let me another question about the deck to the north on the second the second level deck to the north. Yeah. Is that on the second floor of Rev Hall? Yes, it is. Balcony level of Rev Hall. So, are you expecting to be able to go out of Rev Hall? Yes. I see. From the I get it. Yep. I got it. For events that rev it. Yeah. Nice. But it has it does have a stare down to the other decks as well. See that? Yeah. Oh, when they want to escape the wedding. Is that what that that's for?

You got a runaway bride. Where are we at? Uh, I'm just going to give a quick update. Um, the next HRC meeting falls on Veterans Day. I think we have that off, correct? Veterans Day. Oh, I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't keep I would say work with Angelina because kind of forward emails and things like that. They can get a lot done in that kind of chain. But, um, just something to be mindful of. Mhm.

Our goal really is to be able to get the phase one construction started in the spring, which, you know, so assuming that we can, you know, get a planning board and and HRC approval, you know, maybe by January, the latest that we'd still be in good shape for getting our construction. Looks like your drawings are quite a ways along. Yeah, we are. So, we're not construction drawings yet. So we are working on the construction drawings on the side you know to submit to the building permit building department get our building permit in time for that. Yep. So if for any reason that you might need a variance the next EDA meeting that you guys should be able to get into this December meeting. That's the first week of December the first Wednesday of December. If you do need a varian

what is that meeting? What's the the the the ZBA? ZBA. Okay. Zoning board. Okay. They meet every first Wednesday of Okay. All right. But that and you would think that that would only be for for signage and I mean you can understand it at this point from all I from all I read from this you know I like your point though like per building uh but and then the other one might just be oh because of that we want to make sure that even though I'm sure there's I I don't think it does. I mean, I think we're under we're under 16 for sure.

Yeah. I want to point something out too just about these shoreline location just for your own knowledge. Um I can do it after the meeting. I can send you just our map just so you have it in your head of where these they show up on our map where they are. Okay, great. But that was all I do a motion to declare that yeah I mean you declare the action to be unlisted if you feel you can issue a determination you're can if you feel you have sufficient information

well I think the only thing outstanding would be HRC with regard to whether say neg 20 I think they were going to look into Right. Um, but otherwise I don't I don't see much else here. They've got some work to do with easements and things like that. See if what's underground and where they're going to build the new deck. They should have got a kind of a feeling what's there already though. There shouldn't be any problems there. Um, so you know, I I wouldn't have a problem making a motion to declare it a negative declaration. give it a negative negative declaration. Are you making a motion?

I'll make a motion to give it declare a negative declaration. Seek all favor. I I post 4 application complete if you want. you guys have seen more of doesn't it doesn't preclude us from asking for more documents prior to the hearing. Then I'd like to make a motion to declare the application complete. I second that motion. All in favor? I

oppos. And then uh they're not going to be ready for you said veterans day before we know whether they need a variance or it's it's a little bit because the HRC is an advisory board. So they they kind of correspond with Angie and applicants. Angie kind of serves as the medium that can go along parallel with us or do they have to Yeah. You know, but schedule a public hearing for December maybe. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If you you could do either or do November, December. If you need that variance, though, then you would get in on the uh December.

How do you guys feel about it? Do you think you can get all that together by November or or you'd rather go through a public hearing because you're you're probably going to get a lot of questions at a public hearing? I think the one thing that might take us time is the is the sewer. Yeah. Want to do it for December? Is that okay with you guys? December 18th or December 16th. December 16th. 16th. December 16. Do you think you could make November? I mean, but that would be I mean, yeah, we it's just December feels is an unknown with engineering. December

you could I mean I suppose you could tenatively schedule it for November but once the application seems complete you have 62 days uh to get um back here and if you you're not ready by then I mean certainly you can agree to extend the review period with the board we can facilitate that if that's a need that you have um if you think you can be ready for November how quickly can you let us know whether variances are required If you get the information to me, then we can review that as part of that information. So that's just signage is all you need for the variet signing and yeah and the height of that. Oh, the height, right? Okay.

Yeah. So the height we could probably figure out pretty quick if you need a little bit of time to get the but in theor in theory I could we don't I mean I think we auto we we know it's less than 16 feet. So if that means we've got to go in for a variance for that then I guess that's what we have to do. Yeah, it's definitely lower than 16 ft. So if that's the threshold I didn't know that was

um that would be December the DBA meeting is December 3rd. Okay. Set the public for December 16th. 16th is not quite. All right. Yeah. I'd like to make a motion to declare schedule a public hearing for December 16th. Second. I say I Any negatives? Motion's passed. This is exciting.

Thank you. Thank you. I think it looks really good. Thank you. Appreciate that. Remember there a lot of people, you know, keeping it going. Your age investing like this is crazy. Your idea. I make a motion. Make a motion to adjourn. I second that. Everybody in favor? I guess we're journed until