Planning Board - Regular Meeting

The August meeting of the Troy Planning Board will come to order. Would you please stand? And Tony, will you lead us in the pledge, please? Sure. We'll call the roll here. Member Scully. Present. Member Dickinson. Present. Member Shufelt. Present. Member York. Present. Member Kehoe. All board members present? We have a quorum, of course. So the first order of business would be to adopt the meeting minutes from the previous meeting, the June meeting of the board. Is there a motion? Has everyone had an opportunity to see them, review them? Yes. Is there a motion?

Yes, I make a motion that we adopt the meeting minutes from June 16, was it?

Never. I second.

Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. And the motion carries unanimously.

Thank you.

For those of you who are here for the... Lansingburg Gateway Project. It's not on the agenda tonight. It's been removed, I believe, at the request of the applicant. Is there anybody who was here for that? If so, we will not be addressing that at all tonight. The first item we will consider is PLPB 20260048, 185 Earl Street. Is it here?

What's that?

Do this, come back. Hi, how are you folks?

No, you go on the bottom.

Yeah. I think so. That's perfect.

Good evening, everyone. My name is Courtney Davis. I'm a civil engineer with LaBella Associates. I'm joined tonight by Kristin Kaneg with Unity House in Troy, and we're here tonight to continue our discussion of the proposed lot line adjustment between Unity House's 185 Royal Street and 2428 Fifth Avenue parcels. So since we were last here, nothing has changed planometrically with the proposed lot line adjustment, but we did go before the zoning board and we were able to obtain the three necessary variances for the project. So on our end, those are the only updates we really have. So we'll turn it back over to you all for discussion, questions and comments.

Okay, thank you. So we have a public hearing, I think you have any questions before we? I do not defer. Okay. All right. So thank you. You can have a seat. We'll see if there's any member of the public who wants to comment on this. And is there anyone here to comment on this application? If not, we'll close the public hearing. And open it up to board questions and discussion. So you may want to come back up. We may have some questions.

I'm not sure.

Sorry about that. But your exercise is good. Any questions? Sorry about that. Okay. All no questions. All right. And we'll entertain a motion. Is there a motion to approve the application?

I'd like to make a motion to approve this application.

I second. Any discussion?

I would just like to wish you good luck with your two nuns and a friar.

Thank you. Right. Thank you all.

Good luck.

Good luck.

So we'll take all in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. And motion carries unanimously.

Now good luck.

The next item is... Andrew Brickton, too.

Sure. Hi. Good evening. A couple of administrative items that I've been working on since I came back on board. And it's great to be back. Very excited to be here. Thank you for having me.

Welcome. Happy to have you.

Thank you. The first is there was a request for an extension of time for a pending application. For PLPB 20260023, it's 158 4th Street. It's Pork Store. I believe they're waiting on archaeology. And so they just requested additional time before their time lapsed. And they had made that request for last month's meeting, which was postponed. So they'd be seeking a resolution from you to grant them a six-month extension.

Is there a motion to that effect?

i make a motion that we give them their six months extension the park start discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed say no and the motion carries unanimously cool and and then the second item um is relates to eddie's lane apartment project which you approved in i believe late 2025 um they are currently applying for benefits to the city IDA. And part of the city IDA application process is them providing a fully completed environmental assessment form. When we went to go complete that, we realized that technically when you approve that project, you never approved a Seeker NEGDEC resolution. Clearly, if you approve a project, you meant to negdeck it. There's no question. And all they need is the form completed and signed by city staff. So I just wanted to confirm with all of you that your intention at the time was to negdeck it, and then we can have Eric sign it and provide it to them so they can move along with the IDA.

So, Andy, do we need a motion to that or just authorization for negdeck?

Do it as motion, but if we have, and that's probably more formal confirmation. And that way, if they have any questions, then we can provide the resolution.

So yeah, a motion would be to provide a resolution signed by Eric.

I think it would be a motion to authorize Eric as the city planner to sign the environmental assessment form for the Eddie lanes project.

I'd like to make a motion to authorize Eric, our city planner, to sign the seeker form for the Eddie's Lane project.

I second.

Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. And the motion carries unanimously.

Great.

Thank you.

How did we miss that?

Next item is PLPB 2026-0049, 272 Hoosick Street. Are the applicants present or representative?

Hello.

My name is Adam Patella. I'm an architect and one of the design professionals for this project. The pre-store project on Hoosick Street, if you recall, is a redevelopment of the former Rite Aid site on the corner of Burdette and Hoosick Street. We presented last at the June meeting. Excuse me. There we go. At the June meeting, most of the discussion then was about the operations and the nature of the project itself. excuse me, the majority of kind of public comments and comments from you guys circled around preventing site access during close of business hours to prevent people from leaving unwanted items and things like that on site. As such, we responded by providing a retractable gate along the Burdette Street entrance. And after speaking with the fire department, they noted that in the event of an emergency, they would only use the Burdette entrance so uh to close up the hoosick street entrance there'd be a fence would be put across the hoosick street entrance instead of um we had offered retractable bollards and things like that but the fire department did not want those to be installed so we'd be providing a fence over there did you say then you're just going to close it off completely yeah it would be closed off completely um the the amount of traffic is not we don't need two entrances for that There were a number of other items in the staff recommendations that were addressed on the site plan. This included, excuse me, This included adding bike racks. There was a discussion about the detailed nature of deliveries and when those are happening during our previous discussion, so we took care of that. We provided an updated Complete Streets form. I discussed the nature of the Burdette entrance as well. We revised and provided snow storage locations. We also had an extensive discussion about the logistics behind unwanted items being disposed and how there's kind of someone that will always be managing what is dropped off through appointments and things like that. So there won't be unwanted or large items that would not be able to be disposed of other than just kind of a traditional dumpster. So no large couches or anything like that. That was a previous concern. So we discussed that at the previous meeting. We also discussed the gate. There were two items related to the parking lot redevelopment that we sought area variances for. One was providing the required number of shade trees on the site and the other one was related to pedestrian circulation in the form of extending the sidewalk across the Burdette Street entrance. At last month's ZBA, we presented our case and they granted us area variances for I believe it's four shade trees and appropriate kind of landscape islands in the parking lot instead of the required 10 trees. And we're going to be, we got a variance to do striping across the Burdette Street entrance instead of building a new sidewalk there. Both of those were related to kind of just like feasibility questions. There was another note about security cameras. Security cameras are noted on the site plan as well to be installed.

Well, I'm sorry, security cameras, what?

They're noted on the site plan to be installed just kind of as normal operation. The staff comments for tonight's meeting, there didn't seem to be any kind of actionable items on our part. Just notes about the variances that we've previously received. And that's all.

Okay, thank you. Got to clarify, drop-off is going to be by appointment only, is that correct? Drop-off of items for sale? Yes. For the store? And is pickup?

Well, shopping is also an appointment-related kind of thing. So you show up, you sign in, you do your shopping, and then you sign out.

But do they make an appointment before they show up to sign up?

Yes.

Questions? Questions?

And what was your days of operation again? Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday?

And during, well, when you're closed, you're going to have a gate that goes across the entrance and be locked.

Yeah, the gate would be... locked in such a way that in the event of an emergency would be able to be opened by the fire department. But yeah, it would be closed off. So someone can't just drive a truck in and dump a bunch of stuff, which seemed to be the biggest fear, if that's the right word.

And the entire perimeter is going to be basically fenced when the gates close.

Correct. There's already an existing fence around everywhere.

No pedestrian access, though?

No. Oh, and we're requesting a three-month window to install these different kind of infrastructure pieces, such as the gates and the parking improvements as well, as part of our, as a condition of approval from this case.

Maybe you can just... Yeah, specifically with respect to the gates, we estimate it'll take about three months to get the gates installed. So we would secure it with a chain initially, subject to the obligation to get the gate operational within three months. That was reflected on the site plan that went in last month.

Do I understand also that your dumpster is going to be in the far southeast corner of your parking? Is that where I saw it? And is that also going to be fenced and locked?

Yep. So we've got a note to replace and or restore the existing dumpster corral. So the dumpster corral would have a chain link fence with a lock around it.

Okay. And your security cameras will be? poised on those two so that we can see the whole sidewalks, driveways, parking area?

Yes.

Other questions? Thank you. We'll see what the public has to say. Thank you. Any member of the public here to speak on this application?

Okay.

No one online, right?

Yeah.

Okay. All right. Then we'll close the public hearing and we'll open it up again for public or for board comment or question.

Okay. Discussion. Have you looked into the trespass affidavit program? One thing you want to make sure is Burdette Avenue is known for a great university. In May, people leave that great university and tend to get rid of the stuff. So, you know, without us incurring more costs to the city to look at your property, have you looked into this program at all?

No. No.

Might be something they might want to look into if the community police are there or whatever could be called or happen to be going by. They would have the authority to deal with whatever trespassers or you have might be something, you know, you can coordinate it with a community police if you wanted to.

Okay.

We also would like to suggest an operation and maintenance plan for the site. Like to know, provide 24-7 point of contact. In case anything goes wrong, somebody needs to be called. Are you going to have an alarm system on your building? Will there be an alarm system when the doors or windows or anything?

Would you identify yourself, please, for the record?

Sarah Brillier. We're working with Alex Security right now to come up with a good system.

Alarm system.

Yes, and camera system was going to be tied in with that also. And also the gate system will probably be tied in with the alarm system and the camera system. That's great.

Thank you. So would you agree to some of the following conditions we already approved tonight? No outdoor goods displays. Yes. Is that a yes?

Yes.

No outdoor storage of goods?

No, none.

Gates closed at night to prevent dumping? Yes.

Would that be anytime that you're not open, the gates will be closed? Is that correct? Anytime you're not open for business, the gates will be closed?

Yes.

Yeah. Yes.

The distinction is theoretically in the winter, you may be open at night, but the gate would need to be open if you're open. So rather than tying, closing the gate at night, closing it, closing the gate when you are no longer operating. So when you close the gate closes.

Well, would I be able to leave it open if a snowstorm was coming and needed to be plowed?

Well, whoever's controlling your security won't have the ability to open it for the snow plows?

I hope so. I'm still working on that.

We could address that in the operations maintenance plan. Describe how that would happen.

Okay. I think it's the sense of the board that they would like to make sure that it's, if you're not there, the gate should be closed. If somebody is there plowing for you, then obviously that would be understood. Okay.

I think it's safe to assume that the site is unattended, the gates would be closed. If the site is unattended, the gates would be closed.

Good. I'm sorry. Do you have anything further you have?

Just that you'd agree to, if there are any dump goods, a prompt removal of those goods. So, for example, somebody dumps something that you don't feel like it's going to be suitable for whatever you're doing with these products. It wouldn't just lay around.

We would agree to that. People don't come and dump stuff. That's the whole point, is that it's an appointment-based thing. So if something is not approved, it would not be left there.

I mean, I could see somebody throwing a couch over the fence. I mean, if they're going to throw it over that fence, they'll throw it over any fence, wouldn't they? But the implication is that they think they're donating.

Okay.

So if you could just agree to it.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah. And you can figure out what you're going to do with all those mattresses in Bosque Springs that are going to be coming over the fence, because I'm sure it's going to happen.

I think also, for 24 seven point of contact, if you're not open on Sunday, Monday, Thursday, someone has to be going by there to make sure that there is nothing that is being dumped.

We can provide that in the operations and management narrative.

Okay. And you also will have to be taking care of some grass, some landscaping. You think you have a bush on the corner or something and you have grass around the around the perimeter on the other side of the sidewalk. So you need somebody that will be taking care of that.

Yes.

That will go into your operation and maintenance plan.

Yes.

I have a question about the appointment system. Is it done online or by telephone?

I just got a website up and going and I'm going to provide an online portal. I don't know when that'll open up. Until then, it will be by telephone, by phone number that is for the store.

So you'll be able to track, essentially have a log of who's making appointments and you know, I guess it would be a way to help not have the issue of people dumping stuff or being, at least you'll know who's responsible if you're tracking, keeping an appointment tracker, so to speak. Because I think, again, back to their point, people may just dump stuff anyway. So suggestion, I guess, would be once you get that portal up and running, make sure you're able to, or at least try to be able to track who these appointments are. That way, maybe you can look back and see.

The appointments would not be anonymous appointments. There would be a name attached to them. And we're currently using Oasis Insight for that.

Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's my point. Thank you.

I think you've told us this before, but could you just refresh my recollection? What are your days of operation and your anticipated hours of operation?

Tuesday and Wednesday, Friday and Saturday for customers and donations will be open from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. And how will your donors know that you're

accepting donations?

Because they'll make an appointment.

How will they know to make an appointment? Are you going to promote this to the public in some way?

I don't foresee having to advertise this. Word will get out and we'll probably put it on our website. A phone number will be attached or an email and things are going to evolve because the website's brand new.

Okay, thank you.

Do you expect that when you do open for the first day, you probably would be fully stocked by then or have lots?

I suspect that no, probably not. It will probably be half to three quarters stocked.

Any questions?

I think you had said before that whatever they bring in and you do not accept as a donation, that person is responsible for taking it back home with them. Are you going to allow them to dump it?

I will not be allowing people to dump. It will be a pre-conversation of donation that they will understand what is not accepted, will leave with them, and donations will be accepted upon inspection. Thank you.

Anything further? No further questions. Any further discussion? Is there a motion?

I make a motion to approve this project.

Your second.

We're making a motion to approve this project along with the stipulation that they have to have an operation and maintenance agreement.

Yes, I think the motion would be to approve this project subject to all of the conditions that they've agreed to here this evening, including the submission of an operation and management plan to the city.

Are you able to determine your motion?

Yes. Second?

Second.

Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. And the motion carries unanimously. Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Under new business, PLPB 2026, 0-0-5-6, 100 Gillette Avenue. Is the applicant present or a representative? Would you come down, please, and tell us about this?

I'll have that one.

Hi. Hello. So I just have a large lot of land, and I wanted to subdivide about a half acre.

Could you give us your name and address for the record, please?

Ava Falenz, and it's 100 Gillette Avenue here in Troy.

Thank you. Go ahead. That's it?

That's it.

Okay. All right. Well, unless the board has any preliminary questions, we'll see if there's any public comment. Anybody, any board member have a question?

We have to see. Yeah, what was, before we started talking, you were saying what you wanted to do with this land or?

I just want to subdivide and sell off that second land.

So have you already done a survey showing us what? I have the survey.

And I do want to make sure I gave you the right one when I dropped off the paper.

This is updated?

This is updated.

Okay. Eric, do you have this?

I know you were looking for some utilities.

Could you speak closer to the mic, please?

Sorry.

You can take it off there or pull it closer to you.

I spoke with the surveyor because Eric said he would be able to provide the lines, the water lines and the waste lines. He said as a surveyor, I can only survey what I see. He said that if you will have maps, he'll add it to the survey. But other than that, he doesn't know where those lines are. He did mark on the survey where the water is and where the waste cap is. So I don't know where those maps are. I looked online myself. There is none, utility maps, as far as those lines.

You're not going to develop this second lot yourself? Not at all. You're planning to sell it?

Yes.

So surveyors will often locate and place approximate lines on plans using numerous things such as contacting the city, asking us for what information we have, contacting other utility agencies such as Verizon or Spectrum or National Grid, For existing utilities. For existing utilities. They'll use various manners to approximate the lines. One of the primary ones is reaching out to the city and asking for our information. But of course, they can also look at structures that are visible during the surveys. Almost any line has... cleanouts, valves, manholes, catch basins to help identify, you know, they're usually in a straight line between the two, right?

You would think the city could provide locations for the sewer and the water.

Yeah, but usually the surveyor reaches out and asks us so they can actually place it.

Even so, like the surveyor, a survey is going to have a stamp to it. So putting, you know, that stamp on that paper with the location of those utilities in concert with one another, that would be something that would. I mean, as far as the homework being able to.

So the surveyor. Being able to locate where the I mean. Yeah, I wouldn't put it on a homeowner. I'm just saying, you know what I mean? It's a surveyor's job to contact a city to get a location.

Yeah, the surveyor's going to use multiple layers in order to create a final product. Maybe this one's just not familiar, but...

Troy actually gave me this surveyor. He came from Troy because originally I was going to do an ADU. So he was given to me. I also understand that the zoning was not correct, the zoning regulations. But I did look on the site and the newest one is for 2023. So is that the most recent regulations you want on the survey?

Yeah, I think the original, some of the original paperwork just had information from our old zoning code.

Okay, so I can tell them the 2023 is the accurate one? Yes. Okay.

Other questions?

No. I don't. Do you have any questions for me?

No.

For the record, this updated survey differs slightly from the one that was previously provided.

It's a little less.

Specifically, the square footage is about 1,000. Right off the top of my head. 1,600 feet. 1,600 square feet.

That still produces a conforming line.

It does.

Yeah.

I'm sorry. The question I think that also needs to be investigated is the survey shows the existing home to be on a septic system. And while the proposed lot number two may be a conforming lot under the zoning code, I think it's still important for the applicant to show if there is not sewer service available to that lot. And there may be sewer service available. We don't know because utilities aren't shown. then it should show a building envelope with a septic system in place to make sure that it remains a conforming lot. Sometimes the size of a septic system and the leach field renders an otherwise conforming lot non-conforming because you can't build the house and the septic. So also another reason why you should seek confirmation on where the sewer lines are and whether or not this proposed lot would be served by sewer.

It would be because when I originally was doing the ADU, they came down and they did say that because that's where I was going to put the ADU on that second line. And they said it is accessible to the sewer system.

Then I guess that's great news because if your surveyor contacts that department, he'll receive the same information.

All right. So I, you know, I, I'm like in the middle with him because, you know, I don't, I've never done this and I'm only saying what he said. He's only does what's on the visible and yeah.

Yeah, so I think that, you know, that would be in your interest to get that updated.

All right, so you're telling me I need to tell Mr. Haley to contact the city?

You know, Mr. Brick's point is that, let's say it was not accessible by city water and sewer, and you did have to have a septic, but your soils are no good anywhere on the 20,000 square foot lot. That would turn into a non-conforming line.

Correct.

So we need to, you know, we need to make sure that we see that and it goes into the file with Eric. And then the next meeting when Eric says, oh, yeah, we've got that.

All right. So I need to know what to do next.

Yeah.

Because obviously he's not.

Basically, you need your utility overlays on your existing subdivision map.

Yeah, I'm surprised. I mean, a utility survey is one of the basic things off of a surveyor's menu. I don't know if there's a miscommunication at some point because, yeah, I think any registered land surveyor knows this.

He's done this before.

I wouldn't even know it, honestly.

This is just a map, but it's not stamped either. So, like, when he goes to file a stamped plan, those overlays need to be on it, so... Utility overlays.

Okay.

And again, they're not going to be exact, but there's certainly a way to do the math approximation of what's out there.

And if he notes on the survey that it's based upon information provided by others, i.e. the city, that's acceptable as well. Yeah, sure.

Okay.

Okay.

So should we?

Okay. Maybe just stand by. We'll see if any member of the public wants to speak on this. Is there anyone here to speak on this application? Yeah. We're not getting that on the record. And I couldn't hear you either anyway. So do you want to come down and speak? Yeah.

Okay.

My name is Kevin Vandenberg. I live up 439th Avenue, North Troy. I can give you some names and numbers of people that will get you straightened out because I might lack a little.

This poor surveyor is going to have a bad name. I'm sure it's a miscommunication. All right.

Anybody else want to speak? Okay. We need to do lead agency.

It's an unlisted action. You can pass a resolution adopting the recommendation of staff that it be unlisted and you can schedule a public hearing. The application is complete.

So we entertain a motion to accept staff finding that it is an unlisted action.

I second.

Motion.

You just made it.

I'll make a motion to declare it as an unlisted action under secret.

Second.

Second.

Discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All in favor say no. And the motion carries unanimously.

Do you think you'd be able to accomplish this by the next meeting for the new survey?

I will call him tomorrow.

Okay. So do we schedule a hearing?

Are you going to take an action on the... And listed action. Like a determination declaration application can be missed.

I said during the negative declaration that you should you may want to hold off until you receive utility information is that may change your opinion that in the soils and are good.

There we are so so can we we can determine the application complete can we not so

To make a motion to determine that the application is complete.

I second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. And the motion carries unanimously. Next up is to schedule public hearings, correct?

Yes. I'll make a motion that we schedule the public hearing for September 15th.

I would probably just not sure how readily available a surveyor is to update everything by Monday, but Monday is the cutoff for September. So I probably would think that October is more likely. October.

Just, you could schedule September. They can always, or use the language of when the applicant is ready to return or something of that nature. OK, well, up to you.

Well, we can make a motion to set the public hearing for September 15th. And if the information is not in by Monday, you will have to go the following month. OK. And you can just call us and let us know that it's not available. We'll schedule you for October. OK. Good.

Second. I'll second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. Motion carries unanimously.

So to have by Monday the revised one and a half days?

Yeah, submission requirements for September due Monday. I mean, if the surveyor is able to get it, then he could just email it to us. And that would be sufficient.

So have a talk with him.

If it doesn't work out, we'll have you on for October.

All right, very good. And then can I ask you a question about the soil? To make it, which would make it non-conforming? How does that apply to me?

No, soil wouldn't factor.

So it's not something you have to worry about for the subdivision. But you do have to worry. And again, this all depends upon whether or not there's sewer access. And you indicated that there may be. So this is a non-issue. But because your property is showing as being on septic, If the second lot has to be on septic, then the soils have to be conducive to allowing a septic system and be approved by the county department of health.

Okay.

But that would be subsequent to the subdivision.

Okay.

And there would have to be enough room for both the house and the septic system. Is your current septic system all on what will remain as your lot?

Yes, it's north of my house. So the second lot is on the other side of the house.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Next item, PLPB 2026-0064, 75 Water Plant Row. Thanks.

Good evening, Chair and members of the Board. My name is Rob Goldman. I'm Chief Operating Officer for New York State Marine Highway Transportation Company. Thank you for the opportunity to present this application, 75 Water Plant Road. By way of background, New York State Marine Highway Transportation is a Troy-based marine transportation company founded in 2004. Our business offices are located at 427 River Street. Our maintenance yard and dispatch operations are at 391 2nd Avenue. The proposed facility at 75 Water Plant would be supplemental, not replace these locations, and it would be used to provide warehouse space for our marine equipment, parts, and supplies, along with limited secure crew parking. Projects is a low-impact use of an existing building and developed site. No building expansion, major exterior alteration, or significant site development is proposed. Existing footprint and circulation pattern remain unchanged. Pro's warehouse use is compatible with the immediate area, except for the residents across the street. Properties along Water Plant Road are commercial and municipal. We realize that a use variance is required. The ZBA review is scheduled for September 2nd. Next meeting. No new parking spaces are said grading or proposed. The building will be used primarily for storage and not regularly occupied employees. Any limited secure crew parking will be used to use the existing developed areas. On my site plan, I showed a security gate, but we have not yet finalized location design. We've only actually been to the site a couple of times. We do not own the site yet. Both signage would replace the existing Shriner sign with the New York State Marine Highway sign, subject to required permits and approvals. That is detailed on the site plan. No new lighting or landscape is proposed, and no bulk liquid storage is proposed also. In summary, the project will reactivate an existing building and property without expanding the developed footprint. It supports an established Detroit business while avoiding impacts of new construction. We respectfully ask the board to advance the site plan application subject to required use variance. Thank you for your consideration. We're prepared to answer any questions.

Any preliminary questions, board?

Yeah. You say you're going to put a security gate across with just the driveway.

Potentially.

So there's no fenced in area, no secure area. So that being said, you don't plan on doing any outside storage, no equipment, no strictly for parking. That's it.

Correct. The reason is at our 391 location, we've had employee vehicles stolen and trailers stolen. We need to find something a little more secure.

So everything will be inside the building itself?

Mostly.

We have crew change every other week. There are vehicles, maybe five vehicles would get parked up there. So no connex boxes?

At this time, no.

Have you applied for your variance yet?

It's on the next meeting. We applied. Yes. Yes. Correct.

Now I see it's existing zoning as parks and conservation.

Doesn't make much sense.

Right?

Yeah.

I've been on that road. There are some geese up there. Yes.

But everything is either municipal or business, industrial.

Yeah, everything else, right?

Yeah. We don't have the bouncy bounce.

Hmm.

So you're not going to store. It's mainly for storage for the things that you use on your tugboats.

Paper towels.

Yeah.

Engine parts.

Right.

So looking at the letter from DPU. Okay. They're requesting a spill prevention plan. Have you discussed that with them again or anybody?

We have it in place. We work on the water. We have all kinds of spill plans already. There's no bulk petroleum products being stored here. No different than a car, you know, vehicles.

We have hydraulic equipment on the site?

No. Forklift would be indoors, I guess. If we have a forklift.

So basically you're saying no outdoor storage of equipment, materials, containers, trailers, vessels?

Trailers, definitely. What do you mean? A flatbed trailer, equipment trailer.

I think with a motor or

We have a two-axle trailer. We have an empty boat trailer. Maybe it would be there from time to time.

Any questions? Let's see if there's any public comment here. Anybody want to comment? Yes, come on down, come on.

Again, my name is Kevin Vandenberg. I live at 439th Avenue, North Troy. I certainly am not against this project, and I don't want to stand in the way of anybody running the business, but we all know how these things take a life of their own on the exterior. I already heard him say tonight that not at this time when he's talking about Connex trailer storage outside. We're talking about a forklift now. I don't believe there's a garage door on the building, is there? So you're gonna drive a forklift through a doorway? Okay. So I'm more – this is a gateway to the city as far as I'm concerned. It's an entrance point at the furthest north end and probably has one of the nicest views. I think I'm the only guy in Troy that builds houses in North Troy, and I still try to want to see North Troy survive. I think there's a lot of missing details on the exterior of what their intentions are to use the exterior for. The next thing you know, a Connex trailer shows up. Then another one shows up. Then we're putting a roof over the two of them and storing stuff inside. We're stacking stuff on top of things. I think there needs to be a lot more detail about what's going to happen outside this place and how we're going to handle everything outside. We're already talking about two trailers that they mentioned nothing in the report on that. The exterior, all they're going to do is take one sign down and put a gate up and add an EV charging station. I just, coming down, there's already a guy across the street from here that's running a masonry business out of it. It's a mess. It is an industrial spot, but there are residences across the street. I just want to see more feet to the fire on what's going to happen exterior. And if there's going to be things like that, there should be screening. There should be a lot, a lot of things. There shouldn't be 55 gallon drums outside or anything like that. You know, it should be, it should be clearly defined what their anticipation is. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Is there anyone else to speak? Anyone else to speak? All right, so you want to respond to any of that, sir?

Trailers are mobile.

It's a two-axle trailer that we use to remove. Say we have a propeller that's got to go to Manhattan or New Jersey for repair. We put it on the trailer and it goes. We don't store any barrels like that at this location. We're not proposing to. It's a 5,000-square-foot building. There's no reason to put anything outside like that.

Is this to the north? So here's your site. What is the facility just to the north? What is that? It's the city of Toronto. Is that the water?

Over here?

Yes. Yes. That's the water, part of the water plant?

Yeah. All the buildings along here are either the water plant or Time Warner has a facility.

Right, Time Warner, right. And we spoke to the folks at the house. Oh, it was the folks.

I believe it's the one directly across the street we spoke to. We also spoke to Gordy Hughes. He was in favor of the project also.

Okay. The one across the street, is that Kosowski?

I don't remember her name.

Any other questions?

So, I mean, like to Rob references the indoor storage and crew parking on that patient, can the, can Rob confirm, can you confirm for the record that no outdoor storage, contractor yard, container storage, equipment lay down area or marine equipment staging area is proposed as part of this application?

I can confirm that we'll have vehicles and trailers. I'm not sure how they fit into those definitions. We own two trailers. One is a boat trailer, and one is a two-axle flatbed trailer. Well, I mean, that's mobile equipment.

Yeah, but it's not fuel oil or grease. There's no moving parts that are going to spill or...

He's trying to define the scope of approval. So we don't have any issues going forward. You know what I mean?

Yeah. May I say something? I'm on Zoom.

Hello. Yes, Deborah, go ahead. Sorry, I didn't see your hand raised.

Please identify yourself first, please.

Sure. My name is Deborah Spence, and I live right on 2nd Avenue. And I agree with the gentleman, I think his name's Kevin Vandenberg, that everything should be... really detailed on the plan or at least as Kevin was saying there should be some definitive because some of the answers didn't seem definitive to me and when I pass by that location their location on Second Avenue I still see equipment outside that I thought was supposed to be behind the barrier as opposed to on the side where we all can see it on Second Avenue so I agree with the Detroit resident as well, Kevin, when he was saying it should be truly clarified. So there aren't any issues going forward, if it were to be approved. Thank you.

Thank you. Anything further from the board?

Chris, do you have any issues with

Yeah, I mean, I think addressing the. Spill prevention plan is appropriate. Weather, you know, quite frankly, I don't know the level of. Documentation or what needs to be done to address something when. Your site is upstream of a water treatment plant. believe they're directly upstream of the lagoons where I think DPU uses that. That's like the discharge of when they're treating the water. But it's monitored by DEC and all that because it's a discharge. So that should at least be addressed through a spill prevention report, which maybe is something that could be pretty simple, honestly, if it's limited to that amount of equipment. All right. could be points of contact and who to call if there is a spill and having absorbent or cleanup materials on site or something of that nature. But I'd like to at least see it addressed or responded to.

Well, yeah. I mean, the applicant's saying that he's not going to store any kind of hazardous chemicals there, whether it be, I don't know, whatever.

If I could respond to that, we'll be happy to provide what you're asking for. I already have it in place.

Did you see the staff recommendations in the report? Do you have issue with any of those?

Yeah, the parking lot condition. We're not even sure we're going to use the parking lot. I'm sorry. The parking lot condition. We don't plan on repaving the parking lot. The existing parking lot will remain in service with no expansion proposed. New York NYS Marine will continue routine maintenance of the property and re-stripe faded parking spaces and complete localized repairs where pavement deterioration affects safe site circulation. Full construction of the parking lot in the area is not proposed as part of this proposal.

But you would have to provide a snow storage location? Was that

Robert, we're not really changing anything, correct? So the building, there's no modifications to the building. They're not building a new parking lot. We're not doing any of that. There's no manufacturing activities. But the biggest thing is the zoning change. Correct. And then a lot of these items are, I think, easy for you to comply with at Sunrise. Correct. So your schedule?

Well, we'd have to close on the building. And we're very busy now. We probably wouldn't be occupying it.

Could you get zoning approval before you close on the building?

Hopefully. It's the day before it's supposed to close. Hopefully.

All right. So that's where you're at.

Yes. And Jim, we've only been to the site twice. This is an ongoing developing idea. We know we've outgrown our location.

Right. I mean, I've known you for a really long time. You had a couple of boats. Yeah.

Correct.

Pretty amazing. So that's where you're at. This is kind of fast moving. Correct. You're working with Eric. We're going to get a plan in for the spill. Absolutely. You'll have it tomorrow. And then you're already on the agenda for ZBA or not? Correct. Okay. Okay.

For next month or September?

September 2nd. September 2nd.

If I may, in relation to your closing date, you may want to consult with your attorney. I don't represent you. I represent the board. But there are ramifications to the use variance test that you have to present to the zoning board based upon whether or not you are the owner of the property. So I would urge you to consult with your attorney as to the timing of seeking the use variance versus closing on the property.

Our closing is the day after the Zoning Board of Appeals.

Then that theoretically could work for you. Yes. So when you apply to the Zoning Board of Appeals, you won't be the owner, correct? Correct. That makes a big difference.

Yes, understood.

Okay, great. You're already on top of it.

Yeah. Excellent.

Anything further? So we have a motion accepting, recognizing this as an unlisted action.

I'd like to make a motion to declare this an unlisted action under Seeker.

Second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. And the motion carries unanimously. I don't think there's any other action until after there's only Gordon.

Right. He's got to go to ZBA. So I don't know if we could say the application is complete with that.

That's an unknown. I think that the engineer, do you want to hold off on that?

Or should we make a recommendation to the ZBA? I mean, it would be a pleasure.

So in terms of determining the application complete, that's a paperwork review process, not do you have all your variances in place. But we do have a request from the city engineer for the spill prevention plan, which the applicant has said that he'll provide. To my mind, I don't think the application would be complete if we have the city engineer's office requesting additional information and you don't have it yet. I see. So kind of hyper technicality, but I would think you'd want to hold off on declaring it complete until that spill prevention plan is provided.

Okay. Okay. So is there any other action on this application at this time? I think not. So we'll see you back next time.

Thank you very much for your time.

Appreciate it. Is there any other business before the planning board? If not, we'd entertain a motion to adjourn.

Make a motion to adjourn.

Second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Opposed say no. Motion carries. Meeting's adjourned. Thank you, folks.