Planning Board - Regular Meeting

uh come to order, please. Would you stand? And member York, will you lead us in the pledgece to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Member Scully present. Member Dixon present. Member Shufeld. Member York present. Uh member Kio present. Uh all present and accounted for. item of business is uh adoption of the minutes of the previous meeting. A motion. I make a motion that we approve the minutes to our last meeting in uh January. Thank you. Is there a second? I second. Motion made and seconded to approve the minutes. Any discussion? All in favor say I.

Post say no. Motion carries unanimously. Next item is a review of proposed changes at chapter 285 of the city charter regarding zoning regulations. This issue has been referred to the planning board for a recommendation to the city council. Um we have I know all of us have looked at it. I don't know if there's any anybody ready to make a recommendation to the city council or if not how you would like to proceed. I would like to make a motion that we use a subcommittee to get parties together to come to an understanding where everybody can agree and we could all understand what we're trying to do. Um I think it's unclear to many of us what what was happening with these changes. So I would like to uh have put together a subcommittee and I would be on it and Jim Shufeld would be on it.

Okay. So and then the the subcommittee would talk to the parties that are involved and then report back to the planning board to make a recommendation to city council. Right. Yes. Okay. Thank you. And then uh if that's the motion. Yes. Peter, would that would that report be presented in the next meeting or by email? I think it has to be done at a meeting if it's necessary to have a special meeting. Yeah. For discussion. For discussion depending upon when it's ready. It could be circulated by email first, I suppose, but it it would have to be uh reviewed at a at a public meeting

and there would have to be a public hearing, too. Yeah. So, but meaning that they could report to us in the meantime, but approval of a recommend decision on a recommendation we have be made by the full planning board. Correct. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Now, was there going to be any problem because we've gone past our 62 days or

so? So, the way I'm looking at it now, um, technically 62 day with this with the expiration of the 62 day clock, there was a deemed approval by the planning board. However, the planning board can also originate and make proposals to the council, make recommendations to the council. So whether this is look I mean I don't think we're going to insist I don't think the city council would be uh that pnicity as to insist insist on the time limit for these amendments and if you are taking extra time to flesh them out make them more understandable and perhaps make them better uh it could it could go back to the council as a recommendation of the planning board regardless of whether it's in conjunction with the original ordinance or So, do we have to let the PL uh city council know that this is what we're doing or just proceed?

I think you can just proceed. If it comes up, I'll let them know. Thank you. And I think uh since it basically a whole new council since the um ordinance was adopted or the amendment was proposed uh I think it'd be they probably be w they would probably welcome input from us on this topic which is basically new to them too I think. Yes. All right. So there's a motion made to uh refer this to a subcommittee uh consisting of member Dickensson and member. And uh any dis discussion? All in favor say I.

I. I. Post say no. Do we have to name who else we want on the subcommittee or was it just known that maybe can't be more than two or else it'll be well two of you but she wants members of the administration I mean city staff as necessary and appropriate. Yeah. Anybody you can meet with who wants to give you input on it I think would be appropriate. Um all in favor say I. I post say no. Motion carries unanimously. Next item is under old business PLB 20250038 15254 street. I see the applicants representatives are here.

Yes, sir. You're on. I don't mic's not on. You're up, but it's not on. Sorry about that. There you go. How about now? There we go.

Okay. Uh, for the record, uh, good evening. I'm Joe Danal with the Environmental Design Partnership. Uh, we're the site civils and planners for the project. I'm also here tonight with Steve McKenzie of McKenzie Architects, who's the project architect. And I'm also here with two representatives of RJ Valente Companies, uh, Dean Marada and Shawn Donnelly. So, we got a full team here tonight to hopefully address any outstanding items uh that this board uh needs to have addressed. Uh we have put together quite a thorough application at this point in time. We did receive the latest staff letter. Uh there are a couple items on there. Um, we would ask that as we go through we'll talk about them, but any of those items that are not yet provided or addressed, uh, we'd be looking for a conditional approval of the project based on providing that information. For example, one of those items is we know we got to get an easement to uh, Mr. Moresy. That easement in its draft form came across my desk and Dean's desk today. Um, so we're reviewing that, getting it ready to be executed by the hotel and then have that provided to the city to make sure that everything is uh taken care of and in there.

I would request that you provide it to me in draft form before it's executed just so I can in case I have uh input. We uh yeah, certainly I'll take that back and talk to Nia about that. Make sure it's in in the in the right form uh for you at the right time to provide it to you.

Okay. But I know we want to cover the maintenance is covered in there. The the maintenance of Museum Place is going to be the responsibility of the Best Western. They're the ones that are uh benefiting from the ingress, egress, and the additional parking that uh we're providing on our property uh for that use. We've also talked with them uh about snow storage. They're going to maintain it and do the snow storage very similar to they do the rest of their lot in that during minor events they will take up a potentially a parking space or two and if larger snows come in the snow is then hauled off site they have the ability to uh load it in trucks and haul it off site. Um so that that certainly the maintenance responsibility will be in in that agreement as well. So just to be clear, uh the the underlying land is owned by the Best Western and you're the recipient of the Eastman or is it vice versa?

It's vice versa. We we RJ Valente Companies has purchased it as part of uh the transfer of land from the city and from CBTA and you're granting the easement to the Best Western. Correct. And we are granting the easement to the Best Western. Thank you. Okay. Um, couple other things and I'll get into them and go through them in the presentation, but that's one of the items that I know is outstanding.

So, again, I think everyone's familiar with the site. I won't bore everybody with where we're located. We've had probably about six meetings on this since last April, but we are moving along and and have this uh ready to be wrapped up. So I I hate to I also I was under the impression that the easement would also grant access to city of Troy emergency vehicles. Yes. Yeah. So it it it it's an ingress egress easement. Does that need to be a separate easement or that's just covered in that easement language that the city has?

Doesn't have to be. It it could be covered in one document. Let's put it that way. Um, but the uh the point would be that you couldn't close it off to prevent to prevent opportunity to to the hotel for their for their use. And I think similar to any parking lot in the city, you know, any development, if if there's a fire in a building, the emergency responders have the ability to use that parking lot. I didn't know there'd have to be a specific easement over that for city use.

It it would I I think I would be comfortable more comfortable if it just granted city emergency access through there. Okay. Okay. I will bring that back to the attorney as well.

Simple enough. And like I say, that that probably makes sense to get it to you in a draft form if you do have some additions to it before everyone's executed and it's filed. Yeah, obviously any thing I any input of mine would be subject to the agreement of the parties. So,

y um so back into the site plan, the uh the site plan, you know, in general remains relatively unchanged since the last time this uh board saw it and issued a NG deck. um four stories over top of uh the podium. Uh podium is the parking garage providing parking at 236 parking spaces. Uh we're providing again that east west access through museum place that's benefiting the um benefiting the best western and the emergency squad. Access to our parking garage is off third street and off of fourth street. Uh along Forest Street, we have commercial frontage with the availability for a uh commercial shop. We're thinking it's going to be ultimately be a coffee shop that will be leased there. In that space, we have outdoor dining um to be established there underneath the um the overhangs as well as a street side. We have street parking spaces. We've added in uh delivery zone parking, restrictive signage. We have indoor parking for bikes, outdoor parking for bikes, those long-term and the short-term parking spaces um that have been provided. Um we have street trees, street lights. We're redoing basically everything from the curb and into the building will be completely reconstructed as as part of this development. So, have a brand new streetscape out there uh for this beautiful new building that will be constructed. Uh we're tying into the city's uh sewer system, storm sewer system, and water system. We're working with Chris Marini on finalizing what he's done with that cso as as we go through and finalize that as well. As we said, there's several parcels that make up this overall piece of land. Um

we provided a draft map which will be merging all of these deeds into a single deed uh in ownership. um that again will be finalized uh here shortly as we finalize these easements and get them into place because that's part of that that lot line plan. So that will ultimately be done as well, but it will be ultimately filed as one parcel prior to the filing and stamping of this site plan. Uh we've provided a uh detail of the outdoor amenity space, the the private outdoor amenity space for this community where we're having the pickle ball courts, um outdoor say semioutdoor kitchen, uh outdoor patios areas, sitting areas, have the patios from the units that will be connected into this area as well as a uh connections to the main building and the the hallways of the main building so that any resident can come out and use this uh this amenity space. This is where there was a comment on staff where we had about two and a half to three feet between the parking spaces and the bike storage. Um we had extra room available in that first drive aisles. We're able to slide those parking spaces over and now we're providing a clear span of five feet between the parking spaces and the bike storage racks. So, we'll be able to get those bikes in and out without any um potential damage. Ample room to maneuver those bikes, hanging them up on the lockable racks in that area.

Okay, my computer wants to update This is the areas in red are identifying the indoor bike storage on the right and bottom of the screen along Museum Place within the building and then in a in a lockable room on Fourth Street. And then we have the outdoor storage, the short-term bike storage along Old Street. This is just a close-up view looking at the the four street frontage, the coffee shop, the main lobby, the main entrance to the building, some parking spaces, the streetscape, as well as the bike storage area, things in the place for CDTA, the break room for CDTA.

So, did you see the U email from CDTA? I have not. Okay. They indicated that a fourth street location, if I'm correct here, was um would not work because of the distance. I think they they they proposed a location at the corner of Museum Place on the new Third Street. This is all news to me. I I was under the impression that all worked out with CDTA and the architect prior to the location. Okay. I got it. You don't see it.

I I got it. I got it. Came in today. I added it to the I guess the bus's stage on New Third Street and the distance to walk around the block to get to the break room at the corner of Fulton and fourth would take too much time from there. So, you have no objection. Uh you can move it there easily to the other side other corner. Yeah. Yeah. We we have storage areas in each corner of the building. So that simply make this a storage area, move that over there. I think it makes more sense for CDTA. So if it works for you, that's good. Yep. We we can we can make accommodated for a bigger solution.

So now we get into the updated renderings of the building. I think as this board is aware, we've been in front of the HRC for the past month um when we did change the architectural character of the building um to satisfy to to the best of our ability what the HRC was looking at. We've essentially created u maybe I'll have Steve talk about it a little bit because he knows the architectural terminology much better than than myself, but Okay. I'm Steve McKenzie with McKenzie Architects. Good start, Joe.

So, uh I won't go in too much depth. We had some good meetings with the subcommittee with Jim and Tina and the historic uh reservation groups and uh Eric was there as well and Chris and the owner as well. So basically we we have a modified design that as uh the preservation committee said uh fits in with the historic context uh but at the same time is a modern bu modern building. That's actually a comment that Robin had about the design. So we we feel uh pretty good about how this fits in and how it's going to function for the uh tenants as well. So, basically, as uh Joe said, it's a four-story wood building over a non-combustible podium. And because we have a non-combustible podium, the ground level material clad in the building is going to be a stone veneer, a real stone veneer. on the upper floors above where you see the brick materials on the street side. There'll be uh the red brick and we haven't finalized the uh the pattern, the size of the brick module or the colors, but this is a pretty good representation. Again, the intent is to be sympathetic in terms of the color palette you see in the neighborhood. uh thinking it's something probably in the red orange uh brown range happy to work with the historic committee as far as finalizing samples for the materials which we haven't done yet obviously and then uh some of the later views Joe's got the uh controls on this but on the courtyard side we'll have a stone finish again the tone of going to be sympathetic to the frier building and the bank that are across the street so that it fits in So, it's going to be a stow uh system using uh composite of of

a foam insulation, layers of stucco, wire, mesh, etc. to create the finished product. It's a stencil system. We have a sample that you can take a look at to get a feel for how the product comes off. And I sent Eric, I don't know if you shared it, but some information about a project in Lake Placid called the Grand Aderand Hotel. It's on the main street, downtown Lake Placid, and the entire building's clad in the system. So, it's a good illustration of how it comes off visually. You can actually Google it online and have a look at it or you can stay there if you like, obviously. So uh one of the things we like about the outcome of all this is it's it's a good balance in terms of what I characterize as accommodating the project constraints and designing from the inside out as well as the outside in. So, uh, with this approach, we're able to balance the budget for the owner and have something that's actually, uh, affordable in terms of what it costs to truck because we're all sensitive to obviously the cost of housing, etc. these days. And that's always a real challenge for any product. So, using the system enables us to do that with that for the upper four levels, achieve a brick aesthetic that fits in with the historic downtown. and uh as I said gives us some flexibility in terms of the pallet for something that's going to be suitable for the context. So as I said we'll work with the committee in terms of finalizing samples not only for the stove system. I can see Chris likes it

full name which is good and uh same for the stone veneer at the base. So because the podium of the building Can I ask you a question about the base again so we can clarify first? So all the way around the podium is going to be a natural material. Yes. And then above is is material using stone. So even on the uh third street side is still going to be the natur material that carries all the way around all four sides. Right. And part of that it's required to be uh type one non-combustible construction. Right.

So the steel frame that's that creates the podium's got to be protected of either two hour or three hour rated assembly. So which it's I don't think you can do that with that system. Not that I'm aware of. You can do non-combustible but not not the fire rate that I've seen. So this shows an image from the corner of Third Street and Fulton. Uh you can see a little bit of the inside of the courtyard. We have a later view that shows a view of the pickle ball courts etc. So, the interior of the uh site where we have the amenity courtyard's going to be the same sto system, but it's going to be a simulated limestone finish similar to what's on the base of the building. So once we pick the stone cladding for the ground floor, we'll use that as a guide for the final color palette for the stone and really final pallet in terms of the mortar color for the brick and uh getting a sympathetic tone for the color and the brick itself as well. So they have a lot of flexibility in terms of how they they can do that with this system. So, we feel pretty good about the ability to achieve something pretty close to what you see in these renderings. So, uh this view shows the courtyard. Again, it's going to be a simulated limestone finish metal panel where it's black at the spandro areas between the windows and on the balcony areas. Uh the windows going to have a black finish on the frame. Same for the doors at the entries and for the units. You can't really see the lighting on the building, Eric. I do have updated versions of the black and white elevations that have the lighting identified as the same, but it's the earlier version. Just so you have that. And there's sopet lighting in the covered walkway, which is a down light. So, there' be good illumination, but not something that's too much in terms of uh respecting dark dark sky considerations. Every balcony on the unit's going to

have a wall-mounted light. That's going to be a down light by the door from the from the unit out to the balcony. And then on the perimeter, if you could go back to the stone base. So on the perimeter besides the uh the hooks for hanging the flower baskets around the base of the building, above that you'll see a wall-mounted fixture was which is an up and down wall wash for the building. So that'll be a nice accent for the exterior as well. So all of that's on the black and white drawing that has the legend identifying materials and it identifies the the light fixture types as well. The same ones that as what we submitted before as far as that's concerned. So uh I think in a nutshell that's it. Any questions about the renderings? Sure.

Yeah. just uh that podium um projects from the face of the building, does it? No, it's uh it's more or less flush. It's going to have some relief in terms of uh a small projection at the base of the building. You can see it in the 3D view there at the top of the stone. So that it's not again trying to be too traditional, but it suggests sort of a contemporary translation of a belt course, if you will, at the top of the stone. So is the is the natural stone on the same plane as the brick? Mhm. All right. So the your drawing here shows people sitting there. So on the first floor, is that recessed?

Yes, that's a covered walkway. Okay. So or covered sitting area. So, it's the the plane of the glass on the first floor is recessed from the face of the building, right? And it looks like uh that podium has a roof on it, does it? Or deck above it or is that open? Yeah, level two. Uh you go to the courtyard view. So, level two is really the top of the parking the so-called podium. So, that ceiling of the podium has to be non-combustible construction as well. So that forms the four of the courtyard where you see the pickle ball courts and the on fourth street side. Uh it's open on the third street side. You don't see it on four street. Do you have a plan that shows that Joe?

No, I'm just looking at the the rendering here. It looks like why I'm asking it looks the shading is such that it looks like there's light at the top of the windows which would mean the light's coming from above. Yeah, I think that's that's just the software we use for the rendering that sometimes the sunlight appears as a reflection in the window. So if I Okay, if I understand what you're saying. Which view was that where you saw that? Four street side. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. Lower right. So I I assume you're you're seeing a reflection in the glass from Okay. the sun orientation. So the on the second floor then um do those people have balconies?

Everyone has a balcony, right? And there they are also recessed into the building instead of projecting out. Got right. They're tucked in between the uh I call them bumpouts which have the angled walls on the courtyard side and that's again so everybody has a view of the river on the uh let's say the west side of the building that fits within the courtyard exposure. Thanks Steve. Sure. Other questions? Is everything uh clear? I had a question about uh fireproofing like uh there's a lot of talk about um EVs and you know fires and all that. Uhhuh.

What is the you say you're going to use non-combustible? Is what is it going to be concrete? The uh it's a steel uh frame with a concrete composite force system. So what would be like the rating for that? I mean worst case scenario, what would happen if you had if a if a car did start on fire underneath there? So where you have housing over parking, it's a two-hour requirement. So that'll be a 6 in concrete composite metal deck and concrete slab.

So that'll be the ceiling of the parking. Bear with me here. So, where where it's a use other than housing over parking, it's a three-hour separation. So, it'll be either lightweight concrete or a thicker concrete slab in those areas. Anybody have some water or a genonic or something?

Six. Yeah. So anyway, the uh columns inside the parking will have a concrete uh bottom for protection from cars hitting the column etc. damage protection. So again the that's what the building code requires for podium two-hour separation where it's housing over parking three hour for any other use of parking.

So if there was a car on fire worst case scenario they can't put it out. I mean so that well it can't set the building on fire. It's non-combustible. So no matter so that no no worries about any steel failing.

No. Okay. And the two-hour rating means exactly what it sounds like. It means that it'll survive the fire event for two hours before it fails. So that's part of the protection we have to provide for the steel frame at the base of the building, which probably be a combination of layers of sheetrock to achieve that. But we can't use wood. It's all got to be non-combustible materials to do that. So not hard to do. Done all the time. We've done many projects like this. The other thing you should know is the parking level is naturally ventilated. So where you see the openings at the back of the covered walkway, uh that's actually going to be a a mesh part of it is going to be used for growing plants where we think plants can do well. You see the planters around the base of the building in some areas like along Third Street. So part of it is creating a bit of a green wall if you will, but the fact that it's open and naturally ventilated on three sides, not on for street so much because we have interior spaces there, that's going to help the protection in terms of uh let's just say fire safety. If there if there's a concern about car charging on the third street side, that's a logical place to put it. The other thing about that side, there's there's nothing above it in that area for the parking. It's just a podium and that's it. So, I guess the pickle ball courts might be at risk, but you know,

you can do that. That's that's minimizing the hazard, I think. Thank you. Okay. Sure. Other questions? So, you can fit all 27 was it 27 24 EVs on the third street? On the third street side, right? Yeah. Basically, under the Right. That's that's the logical safest place to put might be a couple that are not along there. Okay, that's the majority of them. We're doing as close to that, right? Do any of you drive electric cars, by the way? Excellent. Tesla GV7. Yeah, it's even better. Love it.

Okay. I haven't been to a Stewarts for gas in two years. Okay. Um, I think that's on the other questions on the design. How about some of the other issues? Probably for not for Steve. Do we have other questions?

Um, well, we I think the subcommittee needs to get together again. Probably at least one more time uh to go over the materials and the mesh. And I think they agreed to the lighting. Um, and I I think I don't know if you've uh we got a message from um Jeremy and Zach about the lighting, which they think is fine. Um they'd like to keep it all at the same so there's not different kilowatts or whatever they call them. Yeah. The

temperature it takes very little lighting to be effective on the building. I think there was some concern about excuse me about the covered walkway areas from uh call it what you will I guess a security standpoint. So but all of that is flexible. Yeah. So okay and um I think I mentioned to you on our phone call last week that uh we had discussed Jim Jeremy and I had discussed doing the uh corner windows flat. Mhm. And uh Jeremy had mentioned this in an email. So I think there's a few things that we still need to go over, but I'm sure it's gonna all be certainly work.

Yeah, as I said before, it's an evolutionary process. But one problem with making that flush is the stone is not going to be flush like we have that projection at the base at the top. So, one of the problems of pulling back the uh the box bay flush with the brick is it's it's not going to be a good relationship with those kinds of pro projections. And we can, you know, so that's so it's a way to kind of finesse the transition. When you look at the base of the building where you see the boxway come below the stone,

that's what I'm talking about. So if we push that back and make it flush, it's going to look a bit awkward uh for how that works with the adjacent zone area. So the other thing is changing the plane of facade is what adds interest. It adds shadow lines and it creates more of a three-dimensional uh okay appeal if you will, right? So there's several reasons why we think that's important to do that. So, okay. But happy to discuss. Yeah. And but yeah, we can get something together and yeah, certainly finalize. Yeah. Pretty soon. Okay.

Um I have a question and I don't even know if it's in our realm, but I was just wondering if one of your elevators I don't see any specs on your elevators in the in the garage if one of them would be a freight elevator where you can move, you know, the furniture and all that good stuff. Right. One has to be a gurnie size by definition for the code. What's that? Sorry. I'm assuming that would be the one on the fourth street side or the elevators. You mean? Yeah. Well, there's one on the north and south and then there's one on Yeah. fourth street. I will just

I'm thinking uh we should probably discuss that with the city as well. Which what you're comfortable is the movement entry. It could be any side. could be the uh easement for the hotel side, but we have to look at parking a van. We should probably discuss that, Joe. The best place to park a moving bed or probably in Fton Street. I think the north side or the south side make the most sense as far as that's concerned. Yeah. So, when people move in and out, will where will their parking be for getting their trucks and whatever to move in? Well, that's what we'll look at. Probably uh on the museum place,

right? Yep. Okay. Right. Well, you'll be able to secure that part anyway. Whereas in fourth Pton or third, you're not going to be able to block off.

Other questions? I only have one more question. Going backwards to museum place and I don't know if we had covered this once already, but uh control for the public going down that now your speed. Um, have we given consideration to all the contingencies of what could happen there? Somebody goes ripping down forth, decides to cut through there. It seems like that may be um a thing to avoid going all the way by dinosaur barbecue and around. Uh, is there any consideration for a speed control uh or anything like that to kind of make it harder?

I think that'd be a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that we're we're doing is that street's narrow with the parallel parking. So there traffic caling features narrow entrance. You have to slow down to take the turn in narrow space going down the road. You're tight between two buildings or street trees there. And then again it's narrow the gated fourth street side that you have third and fourth going right. So it's it's going to be from third to fourth or fourth to third be from third to fourth. Okay. All right.

So you'll have signage and you know all that that will you know my concern was the fourth street into third that way. It seems like that's a would be a a natural thing for some crazy people to do. Um, so if there's signage or speed control, Joe, you're carrying the sidewalk through there, right? What's that? You're carrying the sidewalk through museum place. That's the big differentiator. Kind of indicates private more of a driveway versus, you know, striped crosswalks across normal streets. The entrance on third and fourth is continuous sidewalk,

not as you have uh speed bumps downtown like where you elevate the pedestrian crossing. Those are really effective. There's some in Burlington right on the street where I live. I walk the dog. Can you speak up a little bit? Sorry. I can't hear the uh where you elevate the crosswalk and make the speed bump the width of the crosswalk. That's very effective for slowing people down. We've added quite a few now in Burlington. There's several on the street where I live where I walk the dog frequently. So, that'd be easy to do here. Simply adding, you know, thickness to the pavement basically. So, so I've been asking for one of those for four years

in front of city hall. Oh, I thought you meant your driveway or something. No, the crosswalk speed. You guys could Yeah, it's it's a great idea. Yeah, I thought I thought it would work. A speed bump would be good there. I mean, nothing Yeah, nothing slows you down like hitting your head on the roof of your car. Yeah, that's right. Particularly in the summer, it seems like downtown is a sport for some tuners and find their way in there. We see we see some crazy stuff.

I'd like to see that for the crosswalk to Chamberlain Park as well across Third Street. I'm not sure where the crossing is now if there is one or if it's at the corner, but I would see a lot of people uh going to the park again to walk their dog, whatever. I certainly would if I live there. So, something to think about. Engineers for Chris. No, I'm I'm laughing because yeah, that's a great thing for the developer to do, Steve. But I'm not the developer though, so volunteering extras. In all seriousness, we and I haven't checked up on it. I don't know if uh the results are out, but we have a federal grant application out safe streets for

all for this whole corridor from this building down third up. Yeah. I mean, and fourth as well. Haven't heard results on it. So, we've been there's been multiple attempts at doing pedestrian and traffic safety improvements and this whole corridor. So, we do we'll tie it all together. But if not, I'm I'm honestly serious. If I think that the burden's on you guys to put in some pedestrian

crossing improvements, which you could just work with my office on, I I'll bug you when you come for your street opening permit. Don't worry. I was going to Don't give them a hard time. It's a good idea. Even for all the bus drivers bathroom breaks, they have to cross third, you know, so they're going to get hit by their own bus if they're not careful. Well, I don't Yeah, I wish the buses weren't there to begin with, but that's a few way larger animal. Yeah.

I'm going to address some of these items in the staff recommendations here. Um, I know several we already talked about.

Yeah, just, you know, I'm just going to go through the list pretty quick here. We did get the variances needed for our setbacks that was granted by the ZBA. Um, it sounds like based upon what has been determined, we are in the downtown edge zone. So the materials we are choosing to use meet code and we don't need variances for that. Um we talked about the easement. That's one of the elements on there. Uh that language is like I say draft circulated our desk today. We'll make some tweaks and get that over to Rick. Um a little bit on the uh we talked about the lighting. We talked about snow storage on museum place uh and the maintenance of that area. um some of the uh details of the say the benches in the private open space um haven't provided them. Honestly, we don't know what we're going to use for benches two years from now and it is private. It's not a public space and that section of the code is pretty specific to public. So, I I think we're we we we're getting through that. We are going to make a beautiful terrace or amenity space for our residents. It's not going to be anything that's going to be an eyesore, but you got to, you know, again, it's a couple years from now until that's built. Materials keep changing and what's available keeps changing.

Okay. Can I just ask you a question on your terrace? I know um when we first started this, you said there was wasn't going to be any drainage on the terrace roof. And I saw on your specs that are new now there is drainage drainage pipes myoplast drainage on your terrace. Yes. So I I guess I I don't recall saying there would never be drainage out there. You um

I mean it's always been anticipated that that it's going to need some internal drainage and we're doing a certain layer of permeable stone to adhere to address some of the storm water concerns. Um, there has to be a way for that water to get off there. It's not just going to sheet blow out on the third street. All right. Thank you, Joe. Are you still planning to use a radiant the sidewalks for snow?

So, that that's the details. We're finalizing. We have to get MD and structural involved to make those final decisions. Um I know we've talked about snow removal up there and it is our anticipation or it is our we are going to be maintaining the pathways uh during the winter. So those pathways will be cleared either by snow removal equipment like a snowblower or the radiant heat and it all depends on how we make out with structural and MP as we advance that portion of the uh engineering the building design. other items.

Um last item, and we did talk about this in the report, we increased the spacing to provide 5T of spacing between the cars and um and the bike storage. I think that's generally all the comments and a geotech report is that now available and done or geotech report is now done. So we can provide that to the city at this point in time. So, I I think that we've addressed all of them or we got a little bit of a loose end that we can deal with. Um, working with city staff, we get a conditional approval. Right.

Any questions? Further questions? Public public hearing. So, we'll open it up to a public hearing. Thank you. Uh, any member of the public here? Is there any member of the public here to speak on this proposal?

Welcome. Identify yourself for the record, please.

I'm James Wrath. I live at 398 William Street. Actually came to speak about the chapter amendments, but I'll submit that as a written comment and decided to stick around. I'm actually very impressed by the project. I haven't been keeping tabs on it since the first uh public meeting that they held. So, um, really cool to see how far the project's come. Um, you know, overall I think it it looks really exciting. I really appreciate the conversation around, uh, traffic safety as well and making improvements for pedestrians. I just wanted to flag, you know, uh, I heard Chris reference the the application the city put in, which is also very exciting. um through the capital region vision zero action plan, the corridor was uh redesigned in in terms of a concept for fourth. Um so those are changes that you know this project could implement especially since they are addressing challenges in the rightway already. They're already addressing sidewalks. Um wasn't it wasn't clear to me if they're moving curb. Um, but something as simple as installing uh curb extensions at the intersections uh touching the the parcel I think would be a huge improvement. Um there's been a bit of conversation around raised crosswalks which I also think uh would be a really big improvement especially at the midblock crossing um closer to the best western. Uh I just wanted to emphasize that these are all things that the planning commission can insist on and ask for um as a host community benefit. So um I ask all of you here to you know insist that the project includes these sorts of infrastructure improvements. Um I appreciate Chris's comment about you know willing to to work with the team uh through his office. Um, but I would certainly encourage this body to um include it as part of your site plan

review and your approval. Um, and then I also just um wanted to note, not getting too in the weeds here, but I I appreciated I saw the rendering didn't include a sidewalk across the driveways, but it seems clarified that it will include sidewalk across the driveways. Um, it'd be really great to see if that sidewalk could be maintained a same the same grade as the rest of the sidewalk and not dip down to street level and that that grade change could be handled um between the main walkway and the actual roadway itself. Um, lastly, I just wanted to highlight I haven't been able to review the um the landscaping plan, but there is a tendency um for projects to include the same street trees over and over again. And so I'm just encouraging this body to um insist that there's a more diverse uh street tree uh species selection instead of the typical red maples that we see on the streets and the arbor bodies that we tend to see um in the landscaping uh again without having been able to review. I just want to hopefully those are those are different species. Um, so yeah, please please uh ask the project to include the streetscape uh changes that we all seemingly agree are very important. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on this proposal? Yes, we have one online. Stephen Maples would like to go ahead Stephen.

Greetings everyone. Um, I think everyone probably understands what my comments are, but um, you know, I just want to say that this project has evolved incredibly well. Uh, I think the changes are fantastic. Um, I'm just going to, you know, raise again that the, you know, there are there's still several elements that are not in compliance with the law and with our our uh, comprehensive plan, including the entrances um, and the ground floor retail. Um, I really just want to put this comment on the record stating that that is such and that you know the the board is you know setting a precedent by doing this and um you know just want to uh make that comment and um thank you all.

Hey thank you Steve. Is there anyone else speak? Uh we have Jeremy Falls of the HRC online as well. Go ahead Jeremy. Thank you Eric. Again, Jeremy Falls from the Historic Reviews Commission. I just want to take a moment and say thank you to Steve McKenzie as well as the rest of the team for their work with the HS HRC. Um, I believe that it's very much benefit the project and will benefit the community and that we continue to look forward to discussing the material and other items that you've been brought forward. So, once again, thank you and for the planning board for your response to our recommendations.

Hey, thank you Jeremy. Is there anyone else who'd like to speak? Now, we'll close the public hearing and we'll open it up to further board discussion. So, I I think that uh you know, Mr. Chairman, that we're at the point now where there's a few outstanding issues, very few. One is still the draft easement and a finalized easement. the uh the engineer has a list that uh of potential conditions let's say that okay

so if we could you know work that out quickly here while we still uh converse for a second um I would suggest that since there isn't a final determination of the colors and the stow that uh the brick color they're going to use that the subcommittee the planning continues to work with the HRC on that after our uh consideration tonight. Um and with that said, if Chris, you could speak to the conditions. Can we clarify what details still need to be resolved with the HRC subcommittee?

Yeah, mainly the brick colors, the mortar colors, the color of the stub. Um I don't know what else

I know. I think we're still going to discuss the uh windows that uh protrude a little bit on the corners. I'm sure we can come to some kind of agreement. Just discuss it just to make sure it's out there with Jeremy. Um so I think we have a couple alternatives. I mean it's pretty close to ready for approval or is ready for approval. So, uh, there are some issues that we want to make sure are met in the before the project's completed, I guess. So, we could either, you know, put it off to another meeting or we could give approval tonight conditioned on some specifics and I have to be specific in the record and what basically would trigger completion of those conditions. So, and that could be basically to the satisfaction of the city engineer I think would be a way of resolving the conditions otherwise it would have to come back to the full board to approve them. So, whatever your pleasures are just laying out some options.

Yeah. So I I think that you know if we could make those conditions to you know and Chris and and Rich could Rich working on the easement to his satisfaction and Chris working on the a couple those final smaller details with the subcommittee considering going back and forth a little bit on the actual colors and things like that instead of having another meeting and going all the way down the road. I think these are items that could be easily worked out within our each individual scopes here.

Um, I also would like to to thank you guys. I mean, you know, Tony and I sat in with a couple meetings and we pushed pretty hard on the HRC and Stephen and uh Steve worked, you know, through the Super Bowl and over that weekend to to kind of meet the direction we had gone in and and it was some substantial changes and uh you know, I think that that process if we had started a little bit earlier would have been

uh better, but you know, we ended up with a product that seems to be um everyone is is pretty happy about and that that's a rare thing here, you know. So, and all sides, I mean, the developer, the the architect, you know, the the construction people and and the city to all be on the same page. This is a really valuable thing. Uh not just for this project, but showing that in the future, we're prepared to work with people who want to build something here in Troy. and um even the people that are you know really vehement about how things look and uh so you know I can't I can't thank everyone enough for the for that p success at this point and now we all need to follow through and make sure we come up with the project that we're all worked on here. So with that said,

so if I could suggest a mode of proceeding here, perhaps the city engineer could recite the list of conditions for the record. the board could hear them and and you know if there are any additions or modifications they want to make then you could make your motion. Um I presume it's going to be a motion for approval, conditional approval based on the conditions that were recited by the uh city engineer. Perfect. If you want Chris, you're

just be consistent. leaving out things that are handled through permitting like curb cut permit that we want in and eventually street opening permit, sword permit and any other relevant permits that are always required. Right. So not explicitly conditioning those. All right. So the following proposal of approved conditions is or your consideration consideration a motion you're propos you're you're reciting the conditions that the board may move to approve the

receipt of an easement agreement and review and approval by Troy Corporation Council subse quent submission of the lot line adjustment and consolidation plan. final review and acceptance of architectural details by the city engineer.

Well, I say like separately. I'm obviously going to correspond with Tony and Jim to get their opinion and you know a blessing submission of geotechnical engineering report to city engineer. Submission of sewer report to director of Troy DPU to his satisfaction. I think that's it. No, there's Well, you had

it's covered by the store permit and we have to work it out. I I can note it in there. Yeah, I think it doesn't hurt, right? All right. Completion of the required combined sore overflow permit offset project prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy as reviewed and verified by director of Troy DPU. That's triggering in the CO phase that's written again. And it's also pro up through the store permit can give you more excessive stipulations quite frankly you know and and as discussed we already know we have to

and I thought I heard you recite before that the easement will include the snow removal plan. Um the e easement will include the maintenance responsibility. Um, I can we can talk to the Best Western and see, but that's they may be storing it on their property which is off our site. Um, but I mean I did provide emails to the city today. I don't know if Eric got them of the hotel identifying how they are going to maintain that snow. It was a pretty uh short note hearsay report of

So you want something more with snow removal as well? Uh is there a Eric? Are you do you have a snow removal plan for the project or not? No. Is that something you think we should make the board should make conditional? Yeah. If if they're not going to identify it on the site plan, which is typical, uh then if it's got to be bound in an easement agreement, then that easement should sufficiently address snow storage. But does So that's museum plays. It won't be more than than that. What about the rest of the project, I guess? So I I I heard a couple things about radiant sidewalks or

that's only up up in the podium. the yeah I mean I don't I don't have anything to address snow storage so there is no if you want the emergency services oh the emergency the easement included the ement will include emergency services yeah that access I think that would be the one of the most important parts ugly snow removal right is maintaining that so along museum place should should yeah do you want it in there I yes or we just check the building permit when it comes in Make sure it's there. We can always hold it hostage. So these conditions are any I'm sorry you were saying something.

Yeah. So on the terrace the the snow from the walkways will be placed on the green areas. So that I mean I can simply show that as snow storage. It's not going to amount to anything. We're not going to open up the pickle ball courts in the winter. Um the rest of the site other than museum place is city sidewalks. Do we need to provide I I presume you're going to to clear the entrance ways to the parking garage, correct? Which is all city rightway and the city and the sidewalks, you know, maintenance of and removal of the snow from the sidewalks. We have to identify snow storage for the sidewalks.

That's what that's that's the only that's what what I'm not sure of. I mean, you're going to have a substantial footprint, a large sidewalk all around the place. I mean, it is it is a landowner's responsibility to clear the budding sidewalk. I don't know. I mean, the concern would be that you'd affect like ADA and pedestrian accessibility if you didn't have dedicated snow storage areas or a plan to keep the sidewalks clear, which can So, so there really should be a snow storage plan for the for the project, right? Yeah. Yeah, let's condition it then. Sorry. Another one by by me, I assume. Yeah.

All right. All right. Let's let's want to restart. No. No. Okay. One, two, three. We'll just interpret this. Five, six, seven, eight. Well, uh, do you want to articulate that differently or are you satisfied with the

So discussion? At the end there after the discussion we added the condition that the access to emergency services will for museum place will be included in the easement agreement or a separate easement agreement and also city engineer to sign off on snow storage plan and or andor snow removal plan prior to issuance of building permit.

All right. So then uh we'll entertain a motion to approve it condition approve the application conditionally conditioned on the conditions articulated by the city engineer. How about the uh pedestrian crosswalks? You said something about uh Yeah. So the reason just

the reason why I want to talk offline about that is one we have a federal grant application and two they're almost certainly going to need to do an offset project which requires digging in and installing new storm sore ripping up the roadway depending on where exactly their project exist may require them to restore that road and restripe it at that point anyways. So there's a few moving parts with that essentially. But you believe you can handle that through the permitting process. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to address it.

No. And yeah, it's just depends when construction happens. It depends what the city's paving like. It depends on a few different things. So I prefer to just handle that internally with the applicant. All right. Is there a motion? I'd like to make a motion and move this to a final approval based on the conditions as presented by our city engineer Chris Marini. I second that. Discussion on the motion. All in favor say I. I. Most say no. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Look forward to getting this project vertical. That was exciting.

Thank you. Notes. Thank you. Thank you. Can you get Well, like that's another issue that takes a lot of like where the grades end up, but you need a certain, you know, uh the next item is uh 2024003 60 113th Street. Usually the applicant is here. Representative the question. Identify yourself for the record, please.

Sure. Good evening, chairman, members of the board. Brian Cipperly with Barity Engineering. And just as a quick recap, we uh represent the owner uh and the applicant Energy Catalyst Technologies uh in their pursuit to um construct a 10,000 square foot expansion on the building. Uh just another quick recap, uh this project was in front of the board initially in December. Um uh we received a number of variances from the zoning board of appeals that allowed us to come back into the discussion in January. Uh and I believe at the last month's meeting there were really no open issues. We committed to and and solved a lot of the comments on staff on the staff report and I believe we were just waiting for ministerial action to conduct the public hearing this evening. Um so

okay. So we're ready for the hearing if you are. I am. Any questions for the applicant before we have the public hearing? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any member of the public here to speak on this application? So, come forward. There being no one uh here to Eric, do you have anyone on? No, I have no one on Zoom. All right. So, there being no one uh wish to speak on the U application, we'll close the public hearing, open it up to further board discussion. I'm very happy with the proposal. I think it's going to be a great thing for the America board. Is there a motion?

I make a motion that we give them final approval on at the public hearing tonight. Second. I'll second that motion. Is discussion on the motion. All in favor say I. I. Post say no. The motion carries unanimously. Done. Thank you. Good evening. Good night. The next item is uh 202600001 1016 Madison Avenue. How you doing, sir? Hi. Can you identify yourself for the record, please? My name is Bill Mccafree with Hersburg and Hersburg.

My name is Bill Mafri with Hersburg and Hersburg. Were the engineers for the project. It's a four lot subdivision consisting of two duplex homes. Um we were first in front of the board in January. Uh subsequently received some variances uh area variances in early February. Received some staff comments. Uh also in late January which included theation of the urban runoff plan which we prepared and submitted. And I think we've addressed the majority of the comments or all the comments that that we've received. With that, I'll open up for any questions from the board.

Couldn't hear less. I couldn't hear. Was it just I just opened up for questions for Okay, that's all. Sorry. Does anyone have questions? I don't. No. Okay. Okay. Uh, so no questions. I guess we have to open up a public hearing. You do you saw the staff recommendations? I don't I couldn't I couldn't hear you too well. So I don't know if you address this issue about applying for a sewer and water permit. Yeah, the the applicant will apply.

You're okay with all that. You understand that obligation? Okay. And the curb cut. Okay. All right. Fine. Uh, is there any member of the public here to speak on this application? Anyone to speak on this application? Eric, anyone? No. So, uh, there being no member public wish to speak on the application, we'll close the public hearing. We'll open it up to further staff discussion. Any, uh, any discussion? Any questions? Is there a motion? Yes. I make a motion that we give um

subdivision approval. Final. Yeah. The subdivision and you got all those variances. I make a motion that we give final approval. Is there a second? A second. Discussion on the motion. All in favor say I. I. I.

Post say no. And the motion carries unanimously. Congratulations. Good luck. Next item is 2026 00002 10 Spring Avenue. Hi folks.

Hi. Hi. Your name please.

Dan Morelli with Melli Design and Construction. Uh representing the applicant Mike Melville and his proposal to construct a new woodframe multi-use facility for professional offices and warehouse space. Wood Landscaping and General Site Improvements at 10 Spring Avenue, which is located in the business development district, neighborhood 3, served by public water and public sewer. Uh Mr. Melville couldn't be with us tonight. Uh he's out of town with his family. Uh the reason I bring the board is because uh we did make some adjustments to the plan which you haven't seen yet based on the staff comments that we received last week. Uh been in communication with Eric regarding the site. I think the improvements will suit the site very well and I just want to review those with you. Um, at the last meeting, uh, we got some positive feedback from the board and I think everybody was favorable for the project. Um, I think we the improvements we made are going to make the project work a little bit better and I'd like to walk you through that. So, one of the conditions was that there was no snow storage at the upper level of the lot. So what we basically did was push the retaining wall back to the property line, keep the green space where it was and remove some arborvites, make that snow storage up in the upper portion of the lot, keeping the lower portion of the lot down here for snow storage. And we also pushed the vinyl two-sided enclosure for dumpster in that area, too. So, this portion will be paved from the bottom all the way to the top. This portion will be paved to hold the dumpster. This area here will be used for snow storage on the upper lot. And of course, the lower lot down here has its own snow storage. Um, we do need to get three variances. We're in the process, again, those submitted by the end of this week for a uh sideyard setback, front yard setback, and the minimum twotory structure as discussed

last time. Excuse me, Dan. Yes. Sorry to interrupt your presentation. I just want to let the board know that these uh recent changes the city staff have not had an opportunity to to view yet. So, just just for your knowledge. Thank you, T. Yeah, and I apologize about that. We literally just got around to making those changes yesterday and we didn't have a chance to send them off. Um, but we will get those to Eric in the morning. We just just want to make sure because I'm I'm barred from being able to um accept new material after a certain time in the review process. So items that are certainly within a week of the meeting are are not going to make it to their inbox.

Okay. Understood. Unders. And again, the changes are basically based on the staff report that just came out. Um, and we're in favor of the items listed in the staff report. So, they're not any changes that we just made. Uh, they're favorable to what the staff is recommending. Uh, we did provide some lighting details for the wall monitor lights that are going to be on the building. I believe you do have that in your package. Uh, we also provided the trees we're going to use um on the rear and the front of the lot. And we did list the material that was uh we plan on using on the building. Um the dumpster enclosure is basically going to be a sixft vinyl two-sided enclosure. The uh on top of the retaining wall will have a aluminum fence just to keep people from falling over and down into the paved area. And uh we in your packet you have the adjusted windows. We're going to do double windows on the front just to get the transparency on the first floor. Our intent is to keep the the front building a singlestory building and the rear building twotory building but not with a second floor. It'll be clear story twotory building. So those are the variances we're going to seek for that. um hopefully get those hopefully we'll have those in place and granted prior to the next planning board meeting so we'll get our approval at that point. Um basically the building is going to be the front of the building will have a twoft raised area brick with a stone cap, 2-in stone cap and vinyl siding. The owner hasn't selected a color yet, but he'll review that. He's a cider. He's got good quality siding. He'll review colors with the planner. uh prior to uh next meeting. So, we'll be able to present

samples to you and we'll build our corners and our trim on the front of the building out of 4in AAC white AAC trim. Uh the windows will be white aluminum plaid double hung windows and uh I think that's all we had. We also located where the lights are going to be on the building. They're code compliant lights. Typically, we use those in the municipalities we work in. They're wellreceived. And uh we'll put one over each overhead door on the side of the building, one between the windows as we ascend up the ramp to get to the back parking lot, and then two on the front of the building. And I think that's really the only changes that we made. We did not in the best location. We will be adding a bike rack. Um we just kind of put it in a bad location as a placeholder. It's right here. We will be adding a bike rack to the site and we just got to find a location for that that's suitable for the site and that'll be presented at the next next submission and for the next meeting. Uh if I look at the staff comments, I believe I've covered everything. Can you address the sidewalk comment?

Yes, I will. So, basically, we've got a a flush painted pedestrian connection uh from this point at the corner, the grass grass area in the front back to the building. We did return the sidewalk at a flush level. Uh the front sidewalk will be put in and then we returned a three-foot strip along the grassy area back to that pedestrian strip so that the sidewalk actually turns into the site. And that's a new addition that we had just made. So that's not in your plan.

And the reason we want to keep this part flush is because obviously we have parking and we don't don't want to drive over a raised walk. Any other questions board? Any questions? Staff any questions? So everything on here for the staff recommendations, security cameras, blah blah blah, that's all going to be it is. And we actually put a note um down here in our miscellaneous notes, which you don't see on this submission, but you will see on the next um that security cameras will be put in place and we'll have the location for those uh once Mr. Melville talks to the security company. Okay.

Do you have any idea when you're going to be going before the ZBA? We're hopeful to go before them. We're going to get the submission in this week. We're hoping to get on their next meeting agenda so that we can come back to you with three variances granted at the next meeting if we can make it in time. Excuse me. You didn't apply yet. No, no, we're going to do that this week. Everything's filled out, but we have not submitted anything yet. I um the deadline for the March CDA meeting was um last Wednesday.

Yeah, we didn't make that. Okay. Um, reach out to Angelina and speak with her. I I can't make any guarantees that you'll be able to make March. That's fine. We might have to push the planning board meeting for another month, but we'll certainly get to that get to her first and then see how that goes and get into you. Also, again, we're anticipating three variances granted, but we never know. So, we'll see how that works out. Have you explored the use of any storm water management practices on your site yet? Yes, we actually have an urban runoff plan being worked on by the uh engineer. He hasn't gotten us that documentation yet, but it's real close to being completed. Are you going to tie it to the storm water or

We are right now. We're showing a couple of catch basins in the pave parking lot tying it to the storm water main in the street and then he's got some additional things that he's going to that he's working out right now that we don't have yet. How much imperous area do you have? It's percentage of the site. A lot. There's a lot um over 40%. There is over 40%. Is there a way that you can incorporate a catch basin type situation for the storm water instead of tying into the city sewer, Chris? Is that a possibility even? It really depends on the site. I mean, small enough sites with poor soils. Yeah. I mean, can use dry wells, but

dry on the on the green space. Yeah. Spring A too. I'm just thinking that it's a little steep. I got some shallow ground water. I don't I don't Yeah. Um yeah, really. It's like a canal right there almost. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Let's see if anybody in the public wants to speak on this. No. Okay. So, all right. There's nobody. Nobody focus. Uh so all right what's your pleasure here we got seeker question okay uh I make a motion that we um unlisted action unlisted action for seeker

it is unlisted action it is unlisted so we negative one one at a time I missed it but I was just making a motion that we declare it declare this an unlisted motion under seeker I'll second that discussion All in favor say I. I. I. Post say no. Motion carries unanimously. So now do we have to declare it negative or it's just done? Yeah. As far as application completeness. Um so we're missing zoning. No. Right. But remember unless it still requires a determination.

Yeah. He was just about to make Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Chris. I'm sorry. It's all right. It's fine. You you have you have the the ability to issue a determination on seeker tonight in terms of their application completeness. If if you if you feel you have enough if you believe that you have enough information to make a seeker determination, you can do so. Yeah. I'd like to move to to give this a negative declaration or seeker. I second. Discussion. All in favor say I. I. Say no. The motion carries unanimously. Then you had more Jim you were saying. Yeah. So with regard to application completeness, it looks like we have some variances to get yet,

right? Uh it looks like there's some crossover between the latest submission and the what you could have put to the public. The the need for variances won't isn't ne isn't a factor in terms of the applicant's application, right? It's a it's a result of the review, but the application that they've submitted um does have a number of components that staff feel is sufficient for general motion. Then I'd like to make a motion to declare this application complete. Second discussion. All in favor say I. I.

Most say no. The motion carries unanimously. Okay. So, I make a motion that we have him for public hearing uh at our April meeting after he's been to ZBA in April. Hopefully, is it did we decide he's not going to be able to get on the the next agenda?

There there's a number of ways you guys can approach this. Obviously, I think the design hinges on their getting a variance. So if for some reason they don't get their variance then I would assume that the design will change. So you guys have you know you have conditioned in the past on you know uh obtaining the necessary variances. So, I mean, if you're wanting to schedule the hearing, why don't you ask the applicant? They would prefer to go about it, but suffice to say is you got to see that or ensure that the applicant gets their ZBA run, produces their urban runoff and control plan for the city engineer. Um,

so we could adjourn it to the March meeting and if he's not able to get what he needs by then, it would just go to the April meeting. Is that correct? You would still be within 62 days, right? So he could hear schedule a hearing in April. April, March, in March, but even if it goes to April, still be within the 62 day window. So if he doesn't have what he needs, Jim, can you speak? Sorry, he doesn't have what he needs by March. Even if we go to April, so we would just table it. Go to April. Usually, it' still be within the 62 days and then just kicks it out.

Would you prefer to schedule for April or if he can make it? If not, it will go to April. Well, I thought Eric said that he's too late to do the March CBA. He's going to talk to an see if she My my my feeling is that she's not going to be able to accept another application. You just make it for April through an administrative motion next April month. Yes. Without him showing up be added through an administrative month.

You can address hearing through an administrative item as Chris was just talking to me about, right? And that has in the past happened where you had reached the 62-day mark, but in our code, it states that if this board and the applicant are both in agreement on extending the review, then that may be done. So, the applicant can always consent to an extension. Okay. What's the motion? I make a motion that we have our public hearing in April. Second to the ZBA motion. Is there a second? Second. Second. Discussion. All in favor say I. I. Post say no. And the motion carries unanimously. Thank you. And just

see you in April. To let you know I'm in favor of the April meeting. That gives us time to get everything in order, have a public hearing, and get approval all at one time. Will come sooner. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any other any other business to come before the planning board? I make a motion we adjourn. Is there a second? Discussion. All in favor? Discussion. I motion carries. Reading as a derm.