City Council - Regular Meeting

This evening, this evening, um, we are going to, uh, have a presentation by the main street steering committee. They've been working for a long time, uh, over a year and a half. They've been working on uh, coming up with a plan for the um, for Main Street and we are excited to hear their their findings. Um, what we'd like is we've got quite a bit on the and so we're wondering Jared if we can keep it about a 25 minutes or a half an hour. Is that doable for you guys or Okay, perfect. So, let's keep it to about uh 25 minutes or half an hour as we've got a full full agenda tonight. Um, and without any further ado, uh, Jared, I'll turn the time over to you and you can do your presentation. And and I I really want to while you're setting up there, I want to uh really express my appreciation for this committee for I mean they've been dedicated to this and they've put a lot of time and effort into putting this together and we're excited to hear their their findings and and uh I want to thank uh Jared and your group and um I want to recognize um you how much work you guys have done. So, thank you and we'll turn the time over to you now.

Thank you and and same to you, mayor. Um, it it has been a long a long haul and I appreciate the opportunity to to present to you guys. Um, I know that we know that the sort of the landscape of this council is changing. Uh but for those of you remaining and those of you shifting roles um and those present that will be taking over uh this is extremely important. So we we do appreciate the time. We don't take it for granted. Um okay and like this says I plan on keeping this as short as possible. Um you should have all received um in the packet our our presentation or our report. uh that will be a longer form version and more in-depth version of what you'll see tonight. So uh were you guys able to to skim that?

Okay. Um purpose of tonight's uh presentation and Casey just stopped me where you I guess I should introduce Cassandra Merrill. She's my co-chair of about 6 months or more um on this committee and uh she's the reason that all of this has happened. So um really I I just can't say enough good things. So tonight um we're going to summarize two years of public engagement from the steering committee. We're going to present key findings, address misconceptions, um outline a funding path, um to be able to accomplish what we recommend. Um and then we're going to give you guys some action ready next steps. Um of course that is up to you. Uh but as we go over our our uh purpose, it'll kind of become more clear. Okay. So the mission statement uh when we first started meeting in like March or April of 2024, we we spent two meetings entirely trying to trying to distill down what our purpose was and this is it to assess the current Main Street environment through observation, public input and discussion and to make recommendations to the Tree Mountain City Council to create a functional and inviting Main Street. We inv we envision, you know, our our vision is to create an inviting, vibrant and functional main street that emboldens active citizenship, supports business vitality, and preserves Tree Mountain's heritage. So each one of those points we specifically nailed down as as important. Why? Well, research and studies have shown that organized and concerted efforts to improve downtown districts improve retail sales, uh, creates a more

functional a better tax base for the city. Um, and the specific opportunities that Tree Mountain has because of the Tmont Center, Tmont Center RDA, um, are like really exciting and I I hope that by the end of this you all will be aware of what that is, if not already. Um just as sort of anecdotal um I guess evidence on this front of why this is important. Uh Casey, would you tell them about your hometown and what what they've done with their main street? It's very similar. Why don't you come up here? all day. When are you?

Um, so this last October I went back to visit my family and um they've been working on a revitalization project for the last 10 years or so. um and they've noticed a huge increase in sales um like sales tax um from their revitalization and compared to that the city that they're that they revitalized versus the other cities in the county um it was a huge increase. So um I can send you that number those numbers if you're interested but um I was when I was back home I was able to talk to their revitalization person whoever was in charge of that. I don't know what his title was, but um and he gave us a lot of gave me a lot of um like hope and like helped me understand the importance of it and how it can really help um the city to be more welcoming and to um prosper in in a way that can't without that financial background because they g they got that increase from the sales tax, then now they can do more as a city. So, hope that makes sense. So, um, in addition to, um, you know, Casey's hometown in in New York, um, there are are organizations like Main Street USA that have done extensive studies like to the tune of,200 different towns in their main streets and found significant results. And you'll find that those sources in my report. So, what informed our recommendations? our mission and vision adoption, which we spent time nailing down what needs to be done, public concerns, um we did a survey called city vision 2024. Um staff consultation on RDA and tax increment funding. Uh we consulted with the city staff on on that

um at length. um lighting and landscape analysis through landmark designs um particularly was instrumental in in helping us to become a little bit more civil engineering minded and business residents um input uh and and through the main street showcase. So um the public engagement overview we on the city vision 2024 survey we'll start there. This was in um this was in August of 2024 646 uh responses plus or minus 3% variation. Um, Main Street Showcase 2025, 300 participants, 900 votes, 60 plus written comments, 10 committee members taking notes on conversations that they were having the whole time. Uh, business surveys and, uh, owner feedback. Um, Ly Vance performed a survey for us. Um, and then we invited meeting guests or uh, business owners to our meetings to give feedback as well. So, that's how we engaged with the public on this. So, in the city vision 2024 survey, um overall support for a revitalization effort of some kind, 72% of those uh almost 700 participants supported some sort of revitalization effort. Um top priorities, and some of these might be surprising, indoor and outdoor dining, 83% support. Sidewalk replacement and safety, 82% storefront beautifification. uh tree replacement 70% um decorative lighting 86%. So fiscal preference this is very important respondents emphasized improvements should proceed without

property tax increases. So that is if if we're to maintain a a civic mind, this has got to happen without property tax increases. And we know it's possible. Okay. Um so the Main Street showcase was in se on September 27th um of this year and uh we designed boards for people to vote on. um on different uh design elements. We showed them the streetscape that was proposed. Um and then we obviously took notes and things. 60 written submissions were collected plus notebooks full of notes from from residents. Um our feedback, a lot of it was parking concerns. Um chief concern is fear of losing storefront access. um maintenance responsibilities, repeated requests for city guarantees on upkeep. So, we're talking about like the previous trees. We'll dive into that a little more. And then fiscal caution. Again, support is dependent on using the existing RDA funds and grants. Okay. What did our businesses say? Um so this is largely regarding the trees and the storefronts. Um this has been the biggest sticking point from our businesses. Uh from the survey that that Lyall Vance did around the same time as a city vision survey, 75% of businesses supported removing old trees. 75% of those did not um opt to replace the removed trees, which is interesting. um visibility and damage concerns were were kind of the main thing and Dawn's Furniture and Casey Casey and Heath

Wolfley uh who own Don's furniture are present tonight. They can tell you about um the damage that was caused to their property by um by the trees. Uh that's uh that that's that was the main feedback from our businesses on a lot of this. So, we're going to get into our recommendations here, but first we kind of want to do do a brief overview of because when we start sort of telling you what we recommend, one of the main things that we get is well, how are we going to pay for this? So, I want to start with this and then circle back to it at the end. So, the RDA captures tax increment. Um, developer reimbursement ends on the Tmont Center CDA. If you're not familiar with this, just let me know. Um, in 2026, at which point, um, all that increment from that investment will go into the RDA. So, uh, what does that look like? We'll we'll dive into it in the next one, but basically we can use funds like that and go and get grants that require matching and multiply those funds. So, I'll give you some numbers on what that looks like. Um, after this, the the CDA will go until 2031. Um, it can be extended to allow further development, increase ROI to taxing entities. So, let's I'll circle back to that. So let's go to the next one. So what does that look like? So the CDA fund um will fulfill its obligation to the developer next year. Um right now the RDA minus what was spent

on on Midland Square um is one has $1.7 million um dedicated to Main Street design and engineering. um as far as what we saw in the budget is about $700,000 for next for this for this fiscal year. Um so what's coming in from these investments? Um well, the investment has a $4.3 million cap. Um and we're on schedule to hit that cap before 2031. So it gives that's basically what we've got to work with out of that out of that investment. Is all this I'm assuming you guys know a lot of this already. So is this making sense? Okay. So think about $4.3 million minus a couple of projects that the city may have already borrowed out of that bucket for. Um and we have that bucket of money to use to then go and match to grants. Um and depending on the grant, you you maybe it's not unreasonable to think that we could double that money. So these are the funding mechanisms that we recommend that the council uses and mobilizes to uh go ahead and do some of the do these these recommendations that we have. Okay. So, first is the street streetscape. Um, streetscape uh is an issue because whenever we started to talk about lights, whenever we started to talk about trees and planters, we ran into issues where where could we put trees without interfering with the buildings.

So, what we have here is like um sort of sort of an option. Um, we don't have a specific recommendation. We recommend that you guys weigh all of these options and make a decision based on what you think is best. So, let's quickly go over them. This is streetscape option number one. You'll see that on the corners there are bumpouts that

are these in any a particular order for a reason or just is this the steering committee's recommendation in order or just happen to be fall this way. You know what I mean? The order of the order 1 2 3 what do you recommend for one two and three your recommendations? So they're they're in no particular order. Okay cool. Um, however, and and there are pros and cons to each one. Yeah,

it when we try to try to distill down what the best option is, it just depends on what you want. So, this recommendation with bumpout planters and with bulbouts. So, bumpout planters are the things in the middle there um in the middle of the street. They've got trees in the planters there. Yep. And then on the ends we have got bulbouts um which the pros of this are that they are going to support long lived healthy trees with adequate soil. So as the citizen if the citizens want larger trees and sort of that canopy effect this is probably what's going to have to happen otherwise we get intrusion on the buildings provides shade color it's visually distinctive improves the pedestrian comfort and safety. This is the main feature of this design is if we want retail space we're going to need to gear Main Street toward the pedestrian and not toward the vehicle. So, that's like the main thing here is to gear it toward the pedestrian. These bumpouts, they provide safety for people parking in them. Um, and it makes that sidewalk wider and more walkable, if that makes sense. Um, utilizes otherwise unusable red card space. Um, we'll talk about the parking that it takes up. It doesn't take up any existing parking that's legal. It actually extends the parking stall length from 20 to 23 feet. Um, and the tree mess is captured there in the planter. So, those are some pros. What are the cons? Um, higher upfront construction costs and potential minor

roadway narrowing. So, the roadway itself doesn't narrow. So, the but but it it will seem narrower. Uh, as far as feet and inches go, it'll stay about the same. Requires formalized maintenance for irrigation, pruning, and snow removal. It's probably a pain in the butt to remove snow out of them. Um, and then business owners remain cautious about any tree introdu reintroduction due to prior damage. They're really just kind of wary of it.

Is there another page of cons for this? I'll I'll let you guys fill in the blanks. So these are options. Um you can find you can find more information. Uh Sam Taylor who designed these um from Landmark Designs actually wrote an entire presentation that's linked in my report. So he goes like really into depth way more than we have time for. Okay. Next. Okay. Compact trees. So this is Main Street as it was. um maintains full parking inventory, lower construction cost, simpler engineering, retains greenery and seasonal color. The cons are that it's limited soil volume, reduce lifespan and growth. So you probably have to have smaller trees even. So smaller trees closer to the buildings still obstruct the the businesses. Um but you could you could do it. You just need to keep the trees smaller. um higher risk of root damage, sidewalk upheaval, just like we kind of experienced before, requires frequent monitoring and replacement and offers less shade.

So, next is planters only. So, this is this is main street as it is now and we redo the sidewalks, make them nicer, but we install planters only. no root infrastructure conflicts, minimal long-term maintenance costs, flexible design, and adaptable to business frontage. Um, this puts the onus to the businesses and or andor the city to help the businesses um make those storefronts take on the beautifification of the street so that the businesses have to own that at that point. Um, what are the cons? It provides aesthetically aesthetic improvements only. There's no environmental or shading benefits, limited visual cohesion unless regularly maintained and lacks the canopy effect that many residents desire. So again, in the report, there's a much more in-depth uh sort of analysis of this, but that's basically the choice that has to be made. Okay, we'll keep going. Okay, the if there are trees reintroduced on Main Street, it will the courageous crab apple was chosen by the public during the Main Street showcase as the tree of choice for its color. We know that this particular tree has droppings and things. Um, something like this is what would what would need to go up. People really like the color. Um, and it can be kept smaller and things, but uh, this gives you an idea of what, uh, what the residents want. All right. Lighting recommendations.

Anything I'm missing so far? Okay. All right. So, as far as street lamps on Main Street, um, what do the residents and business owners want? It was almost, it was pretty close to unanimous. They want a combination of these two lighting fixtures with a double luminere. So they if you can imagine a lighting fixture with the base of option two there or the first option and then the luminere of the second there the curved one and then making it a double luminere. Um, you can get these in an asymmetric uh design that lights the street and the sidewalk and engineers are in charge of making sure that that works. So, um, pretty cut and dry there. That's what that's what the public wants. Um, we did go down a little bit of a rabbit hole as far as jellyfish accent lighting. Um, you can see Brigham City's main street here. Tyson Taylor, a resident here in Tree Mountain, did this for Brigham City. Um, and they've loved it. Uh, it's relatively cheap. So, $80 to $100,000. Uh, that exact number has not come in from from Tyson yet. What what could happen is if we're looking to build culture and value in Main Street, um these have a million and a half literally different colors that they can change to. They can all be controlled remotely or individually. And just think Bear River's playing. Well, Main Street split up in white and red and or if Bear River wins, you know, we do a firework effect all the way down Main Street or insert this holiday or event here.

And that's what you can do with these. Um the tourism tab, the tab board. Um tourism and Okay. Box other county's tourism board uh has told us that they probably would offer grant funding for this. So, um if we're talking about easy lowhanging fruit, that's one thing you definitely want to consider as far as lighting goes on Main Street. Okay. Uh what do we want to see as far as plants on Main Street? Um this uh second option here or excuse me the first option on your left uh is the preferred look that people want to go for as far as plants. Uh it's called country garden preferred by about 60% of the votes. Um and those that are in charge of doing this will make sure that they're drought and like like salt tolerant. Um and that they have sort of a timeless look. So, that one's a pretty easy decision to make. Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. It's parking. Um, concerns raised by business owners, to name a few, Lake Parkinson, Kevin Hansen, Don's Furniture, Posility Salon, and many others have expressed concerns about parking on Main Street or or the lack thereof. Uh the recommendation that we have is to work directly with businesses to create shared or rear parking lots and install wayfinding signage to point them to the parking that does exist within uh the the nearing area of of Main Street. Over 150 parking spaces exist within one block of Main Street. Um, per our city planner, uh, most are

within 100 ft of storefronts, but signing and, uh, signage and striping are insufficient. Some estimates have claimed that like 300 or more parking stalls exist within 700 ft of Main Street. So, we spoke briefly with uh or Mayor Homegrren spoke with the owners of the parking lot by Key Bank, for example. We wanted to get a feel for if they would be amenable to the idea of the city striping and maintaining that parking lot in exchange for using it for retail storefront parking and they were amendable to that idea. So, this is the kind of cooperation that we could use to fix that problem. Um, just as a funny, well, it's uh just as a side note, DOT does UD do not like parking of any kind on that road. Um, and tell us that it they could kind of if they really wanted to, they could kind of pull the plug and and have us not park on Main Street. It's well within their rights to State Road. So, this is something we want to consider anyway. probability is pretty low that that would happen, but we're informed that is a possibility. So, so signage and striping help people to know where to park. Pretty simple. Just a quick comment on what you just stated. If you were to go with that initial option that you showed and then do came in and wanted to take it, we will have we would have lost wasted all the funds that we did to update that stream. So there is like a really intense design strategy that has to happen here. Um none of this happens without DOT says so. However, Jeff has been working with with UD do um and uh they're aware of of our in of of

the designs uh that uh Sam and Jeff have for this. So don't think of this as like a think of these as concepts. Um, if the city council decided to uh okay the design of these things, obviously all of the parking and all of the turning radius studies would have to be done, but we're told within a a degree of certainty that this this would all keep within those current regulations. Uh, but yeah, it is all pending their approval. So for them to come back after the fact and say, "Hey, you have to, you know, rip this out." is pretty unlikely.

I I have a concern. You You said, and it just got me, and I still You said that this We got to really realize that this will be a more of a uh pedestrian pedestrian thing. That's not going to happen. We don't have another road that joins this whole thing. That's a state highway. It's I mean we got to address that because I drive it every day to go to work and there's no other road to just go around. I I think that's a on my end that's a huge concern and the snow Yep. State plows the snow. Carl's guys don't have to worry about it. They spend the money for all the stuff and so we give that up. We'd still be doing them pull pull outs.

Yeah. So here in lies the here in lies the thing. So, you guys have to make that decision. We're We're gonna make you guys make the decision. So, I'm You've done a really good job giving pros and cons. Thank you. And and again, please do do not make a decision without reading Sam's report on this. It's linked right there in our report. It's it's super super good on all of this. I know. But yeah, it's not a question of good or bad. It's a good It's a question of what do we want? So,

I got a couple things too while we're on this one real quick. Mayor, the you know, if if I hope nobody wants the ball bouts because it won't work. But one, we'd have to have more retail dining anyway. Right now, there's only one restaurant in town that would put them up, put a table out there. Nobody else is going to take something out, block off the street. And you never did get that. We will have to be repaying phase two of that canal coverage out of that RDA. We got the first one paid for, but the second one's still got to come out of that. As far as I know, that is included in that. Is it not, mayor? Was it included? And I'm not sure with that 4.1 million that you had.

My understanding is that he was not going to go further. It's not going to go further, but we didn't get this second one paid for yet, did we? Didn't we just get the first one paid off? All in the process right now. So, right. Great thing though, you know. And then the only other question quick thing I had is what lights we're going to put there. Probably ought to match what we got in Midland. And it might not have been the one with the most. Well, it could be the double luminere, but it could be that same style, right?

Yeah. So, I I actually chopped off the first one that that we did give the option to the residents. Uh it was the least preferred, but it probably is not the end of the world if you guys wanted to do that for continuity. So uh just go go go with the base from the second option at that point. But uh you know yeah our our goal is to inform you. So okay uh thank you. Uh in interest of time we'll keep going. Um improvements made within the CDA area will increase. So for for reference that's about from legacy square to twisted sugar. So the Tmont Center to Legacy Square is the old hospital. Um so within that area, the more that we can increase that property tax base or the better way to put this is increase property values, right? The more of that tax increment will end up coming back to the taxing entities. So like the school district, if we talk about funding issues with the school district, like we've all been very aware of, and if we want to talk about private ways that entrepreneurs and members of our community can fund our school district, this is the the the top tier um way tax increment funding is is a great way to do that. Um and and we love it. So, uh, future opportunities, right? So, this this CDA will expire at either $4.3 million, which were projected to hit that before 2031, more or less. Uh, just depends on property tax values and what they do

between now and then. If the city council can ask the ask the taxing entities for an extension on this both on that cap and on time um then that could potentially bring back the taxing entities a larger ROI and allow the city to continue to use that tax increment for further investment. So, we do recommend looking seriously into getting an extension on the CDA, but you do have to convince the tax taxing entities of that. But, um, if there's a good plan together and if they're reasonably sure that they're going to get a larger return on their investment, they'll probably do that. So, okay, let's uh let's go forward. Okay, addressing misconceptions. Uh parking um parking is available 1 to 200 feet away from uh from Main Street. Uh it's usually through like rear door accesses. So if we look at uh Logan for example, a lot of them a lot you think of Levens and the Bluebird and they've had to adapt to to take back door entrances. Um so that is that is a lot of uh where that parking lies. Do with that information what you will but there is there is parking to be had. Um another misconception is that no special developer kickbacks were given because of the CDA during our all of our we had to kind of get to the bottom of this mystery. you know, are developers getting kickbacks from the city uh for personal developments? And it turns out it's just not true. Uh developers are reimbursed um for reasonable costs on developments and overall tax increment

funding is a positive thing for the city. So just dispelling that myth, trees removed due to damage and obstruction, no other reason. Obstructed the businesses, damaged the businesses. We surveyed and and recommended that you guys uh have the trees removed and and that's what was done. That was the only reason. Period. End of story. Um committee meetings, this was more close to home to us. Committee meetings were hel there were there was a misconception that uh committee meetings were held in secret and that there were backdoor deals happening. Um we we never held a secret meeting. um and uh included citizens and business owners alike. Uh we did gather hundreds of public opinions and responses. So we had no other intention other than to inform you guys on this um and went to great great lengths uh to get public opinion on this and we believe that the public has been heard as far as what's reasonably expected from us.

Okay. So summary, country garden design theme, double luminere lighting, crab apple trees and planters, um or or the like, parking improvements, and RDA funded implementation. Go to the next one. Um these are some action ready next steps. So continue we can authorize the continuation of of these engineering ideas or of these of these engineering plans when you guys decide what streetscape to go with. Um parking wayfinding plan can start to be developed immediately. Um lighting specifications again that hearkens back to the to the design we can let them go on that RDA allocation. We can allocate funds from the RDA to these pro projects. Uh grant applications, we can start applying for grants to sort of multiply our funds here. So that is important to get going on soon as possible. And then final design review. Obviously all of this will come back to a final design review at when it's when you're ready to go. Okay. Okay. Um so we've developed a datadriven publicly supported um fis fiscally responsible path forward community uh from what we're what we've gathered is ready funding the structured designs prepared um time to move forward confidently the worst decision is going to be indecision on this one. All right. And last one. Uh I'm not going to read all of this, but do read the our closing statement at the end of my report. Um we it basically just says that we've dedicated a lot of time and energy to this. Um and we believe that we've we've

come up with a maybe not bulletproof case, but about as as good as can be expected uh for you guys to be armed with the what you need to make decisions going forward. Okay, any questions? work.

This is um you guys have done a fantastic job. We appreciate all of the time and effort that you put into this. What a great report and uh I think we it just gives us ammunition to go forward and and it's good to know that they we have the public support and like you said the public is ready uh from what your findings have been and so uh just could we uh just have the uh main street committee stand uh so we can see who you are. This is not This is not everybody. There's This is We have a lot more than this. But thank you. Thanks. And let's give them a round of applause. That's two years.

Thank you.

Two years of effort to get to this point. So, we appreciate it so much. Thank you. All right. Um back over here. Get back to where I was. All right, let's go through and um and if we could kind of there's some issues that we need to talk about on the agenda that I think uh we need to cl just so we're we're aware because it's a little confusing really and so maybe what I'll do is uh have Cynthia sort of uh we have some question as regard to uh the conflicts of interest uh uh resolution. Let's see. These are resolutions, right? Are these

these are ordinances? These are ordinances. Okay. Um we have some question on that. And maybe Cynthia, can you explain because we've not done this before like quite like this. And so we have two ordinances dealing with conflicts of interest. Uh one is one way and one is the other. And so we will council, you'll make a decision as to which way you want to go on this. Um Cynthia,

so we have um the 3-707. We have two ordinances. This first one says that we'll follow the state. It comes from our attorney. We brought this to him last after our last meeting and said, "This is what the council asked us to do. Can you please give us the wording?" So that's this one. The second one says that we'll change it to read the household and and it's in the the packet. If you guys read that, you can see it. Um, Dalton just suggested we give you both options. You guys can choose which one you want. So, you can make a motion. We would like to adopt ordinance 2522 instead of whatever or 25 instead of 24. Did he offer any recommendations? He he did not. Okay.

Yeah. He we did ask him if he saw any reason not to follow this date. That was our question last time and he said no. So, we just those are the two options. And then same with the next one 2524 and 2525. This is regarding the rules and the conflict of interest for the planning commission DRC. Um and he said whatever you do with city council, you need to mirror it in the other one. Just make them the same. So the same thing. This one's going to follow the state procedures and this one's going to follow ours and just amend it a little bit. So it says household. So same thing, just make a motion to approve. Four stays with the state and 2525 goes to the household. Correct. Yep.

And to do it the same, whatever we choose to do, just do it the same for both of the That was his recommendation. And the city council. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Was there anything else on there? It seems like there was one other things, uh, Cynthia, that

um, I I did ask Kim why she wanted to amend the fees to the library. They are wanting to remove them, and she said it's something they're doing across the state at their trainings. They've talked about it. Um they said it it takes a lot of hours um a lot of staff time to track these and to talk to the patrons and they don't like it. The patrons don't like it. And she said a lot of times patrons just won't come back if they have a late fine. They are embarrassed or whatever. So they just won't come back. So they're they lose patrons. And she said it was only $700 for the whole year. So it wasn't a big amount anyway. And so they just recommend that we remove those fines. If they lose a book or a DVD or whatever, then they will have to pay the replacement. This is just late fees. And we had a cap on $5 max anyway. So it wasn't a big

a big fiscal difference. And she just said it would be a lot easier for the staff and patrons. I think that was the only one.

That's those are all the questions that we Okay. Are there um well we have we do have a few minutes here that we can we do have a quite a full agenda. Uh there will be a um the canvasing for the election will take place. Uh we'll do that right at 7:00. Uh we understand that we're going to have a lot of uh youth here for the uh citizenship awards and so we want to try to keep going there. Uh and then if we we do have an RDA um meeting following this, but we also have a uh we'll have a closed session. So there's going to be a full full agenda. Uh let's see. Um I was going to say something now. Um, council, would it be possible that we do the board of canvasing in the interest of time? Would it be would there be a reason why we couldn't do that now?

Separate meeting. Is it a separate meeting? Close this one and start the board of canvasers meeting and then we close the next close this the board of canvasers meeting and then go into city council because we got a break. We really haven't opened. I mean, we just had a workshop is all we've had so far. So we could yeah if we wanted to we could go into the can canvasing meeting. Yeah. Close the work session. Start the canvas meeting. End the canvas meeting and then start receiving. Did you say close door? No. Just close this meeting that we're in. Oh close. Yeah. Okay. So we do we need a motion for that? I we never really opened with a motion but we can close with a motion. We have to close.

Let's just uh let's just go into the board of canvasing meeting if we could do that. Wes, have you make a motion that we close this meeting and go into the perfect canvas board of canvasing meeting? Okay, motion by Wes. Do I have a second? I'll second. Second by Bo. All in favor. I Okay, we've Let's go into the board of canvasing meeting and that again will be turned over to you Cynthia paper do the

you guys can just sign that. Okay, so this is just to present the findings from the general election. Um it's we had 5,447 active registered voters. 280 ballots were cast which gives us a total percentage voted of 38.19. Ballots counted on election night were 1652. Percentage counted on election night 30%.33. ballots received after the November 4th, 2025 8 o'clock PM deadline and not counted. There were 28. That was a change. We have posted that on our website and on Facebook. They had to be received by 8:00 on election night. Um there were three provisional ballots that were voted and they were counted. So there's a whole big packet that is included. It goes through the audit. It goes through all of the the votes. Now they were tabulated per precinct. If you have any questions, be happy to answer those. Otherwise,

I would just like to congratulate all of the uh folks who u will be taking these seats come January. Um I my heartfelt. Uh I won't say condolences. Congratulate us that ain't going to have it too, right, Brandon? Yeah. Congrats and condolences. Congratulations. Sword, mayor. Well, we all know seriously, in all in all seriousness, congratulations to all of those who who uh will be going forward and and leading the city into the future. So, uh I guess is that all we have to do for that? We can make a motion to approve it. Oh, need a motion to approve the canvas.

Motion we approve the the canvas. Motion by Blair. Do I have a second? Second by Brandon. All in favor? I Okay. All right. One more motion. Make a motion we go end the canvas meeting. Is that right, Lindy? I'll second. Motion by Wes and seconded by Brandon as well. Bo. All in favor? I. Okay, that we'll take a break now for uh we'll start the regular council meeting at 7 o'clock sharp.

It's about time. We'll go ahead and uh call this next meeting to order. Uh we appreciate all of you for being here with us this evening. And before I forget, uh Jared Lewis asked me if I would make a little announcement. If I don't do it now, I'll forget and not say it. So, uh, for those of you who are here for the Main Street, uh, committee report, uh, they they did a great job, by the way. They did a fantastic job. and he wanted to make sure that uh he talked he kind of referred to a report that our our uh our uh planner had put together, our uh landscape architect and um that meeting that is located if we can go down to uh council packets there. Go down to the bottom there and choose this week and there should be a connection right there. right at the top. That's the report. If any of you would like to look look at that report, you're more than encouraged to do so and it'll explain a lot that maybe a lot more detail as to what uh Jared was going through. Anyway, that's what I wanted to say and I knew I'd forget it if I didn't say it right now. We'd like to thank everybody here uh for coming out to our policy meeting this evening. Uh, I've asked uh uh Bo Lewis if he would give us an opening prayer. And then after Bo does that, we've got uh Norah Anderson, one of our students, who is going to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. And so we'll have Norah come up right after Bo.

Our dear kind, beloved heavenly father, we're grateful to be here tonight. We're grateful for the blessing it is to um come together and to set vision and and to dialogue. We're grateful for the blessings of this community and for the people that live here. And we ask that thou would please bless us, that our hearts will be united, that we can um that we can always uh focus on on friendship and growth, and that we'll be able to um be able to have vision and thoughts that are greater than our own. We're grateful for all that we have. and we ask you uh to please bless us and keep those who are in the line of duty safe that they'll be able to be protected and we're so grateful for all that we have and say these things in the sacred name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Okay, Nora. She's reluctant Nora. Okay. All right, Nora. Here we go. standard. You got it. Ready? Ice to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good job, Nor.

Thank you, Nora. That was a brave thing to do in front of this large group of people. All right. Uh let's see. Council, uh item number two, declaration of conflict of interest. Are there any conflicts with the agenda here tonight? No. No. Hearing none. Uh we'll move on to the approval of the agenda. Council, I'll make a motion we approve the agenda. Okay. Motion motion by Wes and second by you. Second it seconded by Blair. All in favor? I. Approval of the minutes. Uh council have a chance to go through and review the minutes.

I'll make a motion we approve the minutes for October 21st, 2025. All right. Motion by uh Bo. I'll second it. Seconded by Brett. All in favor? I.

Okay. Now, this is the favorite part of the whole meeting right now. So, we're going to uh give out our citizenship awards. This is uh this is a tradition that we've had going for a couple of years now. And uh we appreciate uh all of you for coming. We appreciate the students so much. You know, these students are our future leaders. This is who when we all get old like I am. um these are the students and these are the people that are going to be leading our communities and we appreciate their um example because what they're doing is they're showing that they are respectful and that they're responsible for what they're they're responsible for themselves and for those around them and they choose safety. Okay. So, those are three really important things that uh these young people are learning and we need to uh recognize them and we appreciate them for coming here tonight. And so, we're going to give the meet your certificate and a little little card, little uh something to go to

Twisted Sugar. Twisted sugar. Okay. I know Christiey's here while Oh, and there's your Oh, yeah. Can we have the the uh principles come up? We'd like to recognize these these are the uh people that make it all possible and make sure that we can recognize these young people. I'm getting really warm. Here it is. Mhm.

Okay. When I call your name, if you'll come up and then if you'll just come around here and stand and we want to get your picture when we're all done. Okay. Adeline Price, Axton Mlan, James Newman.

Way to go, James. Make make an entrance here. There we go. There you go. Let's see. Nicarana Anderson. I hope I pronounced that right. Nicora. NICORA.

Canon King. Good job. There you go. Naveen Martinez Hernandez. Jordan Lemus. Good job, Jordan. Axe Bronson, Kawawaii Aing, AING Jaden Hess, Lucy Wodssworth, Austin Rollinsson,

Kelly Whitmore,

and Rain Young, Rain. Okay. So, we'll make sure Rain gets her. Is she here? Oh, I'm sorry. Did I pronounce that right? What? It's Rain Glime. Glime. Thank you for the correction. All right, let's have everybody kind of squeeze together so we can get your picture. I don't think so. Sorry, I'm in a crowd. We're going to take a picture and post and we will give parents plenty of time for pictures.

One, two, three.

I'm sorry. Is there anything bigger than this area? I think it is. Yeah.

Thanks everybody. or I still think when you see all these but if you take out what was in the hallway to what's still here that's the only time that we have this problem Right. Or well, right. Thanks everybody.

Yeah, I think we have plenty of room. This was because there's a lot. Yep. There's about 35 seats. Make some energy instead. Sure cleared out. It's important to them kids.

Funny how that works.

I think that's such a good idea. Okay. Uh let's move on to our next item on the agenda. This is the public comment period. Uh this is an opportunity for you to address the city council regarding your concerns or your ideas that are re relevant and germanine to the municip to our municipal business. Uh we ask that you keep your comments to 3 minutes or less and uh the time is now yours. Hello, my name is Tiffany Burcell and I want to talk about the planned development up on the hill and the reasonzoning. I have tried to be informed because I do think planned development is a really really good idea. I've come to the meetings. There are still some really big issues that I see. One of the first concrete issues that I have is that we are planning one more outlet for 600 more homes. If you look up at Utah Fire Code, they recommend about 30 per outlet. So now we are going to have an additional 5 to 600 for two outlets. That's 700 homes for two outlets. If you count how many times that hill has been on fire, that seems like a hazard to me. I love that there are roads planned. I don't know how long that's going to take. It seems irresponsible to have that many homes. Also, I want to put up, who are we attracting when we build these town homes? We just got announced this nuclear power plant. That's fantastic. I love the jobs and the diversity it's bringing, but I want diversity. I will admit after the last improvement

meeting, the first time ever, I went home and I looked at lots outside of Tree Mountain because I want to be in a community where people are staying. Town homes do not promote the kind of community that I love about Tree Mountain. It promotes people who are here and using us as a stepping stool. Please don't make my neighborhood a stepping stool. Also, the developers have all of these promises. I love the plans that they have for sidewalks for water. But I also know that developers often claim bankruptcy and open up under a new one. I want some kind of reassurance that even if I am getting the deal that I don't want, they are going to be upheld to those promises. And I just don't feel good that they're going to. The other thing is I heard about a an article today saying that rent prices are starting to go down in Salt Lake. I think we're flooding the market with multifamily homes. Can we really support this? I understand the need for attainable housing. How many do we already have planned? Do we really need more or can we just pause and wait for a second to see how it fluctuates? Because I don't want it to be a permanent solution. I like the single family homes. I think kids do better when they can run outside. It's better for their mental health. It's better for the future if we can do more smaller single family homes in these town homes. So, while I have tried to be informed, while I understand that there are hards we have to pick, I think we could get creative in other solutions. Just like we talked about creative funding for the sports center, I think we can get creative on ways to get those needs met up on the hill without sacrificing zoning and density changes. 500 new homes that everyone's going to come east. That's my road. That's not the community I want. Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Tiffany. I'm Viola Anderson and I came back because on September 16th I came in and I voiced a concern or two and I want to come and tell tell the city council and the city thank you because they responded in kind and went and took care of the hazards that were out there by the North Park park park and so there's no more rebar and stuff for the kids to fall on and I finally feel I I got hurt. The problem got taken care of. And I want to tell you guys, thank you. Thank you, Viona.

Wow, I got outvoted again. Um, I'm Casey Allred Wolf Flee. Um, I again did not plan to be up here. I, from what I understand, we could ask for you to table the discussions on Main Street till maybe January. Let us get through holiday sales, the change of um, the elected officials. I I don't I I'm sure you guys have to be the ones to ask for that. I don't know what good it would do or if we're ready to make some kind of vote, but we're concerned about that. But something will happen. I'd like to be able to take a breath, take a step back, maybe talk to a lot of you personally about some of these concerns, but without wondering if I need to be, you know, holding down a chair every city council meeting. Um, is that something you guys could do or would be willing to do?

We go ahead. Yeah. Uh yeah, we the there will be one more meeting uh December meeting uh unless unless there's not enough on the agenda to warrant a meeting.

Um and so chances I don't think any any real decision is going there's a lot of information to digest at this point and so I don't think and I can't I'm not going to try to speak for the council but I kind of am right now. I think that they they need time to digest everything that has been presented. So the chances of something actually be a decision being made before the end of the year, I think you're probably fairly slim. I would I would think so. Slim, but there's a possibility. Well, what there's a chance is

there's a chance. But I I really there's so much information to digest at this point that I I really think we need to we need time to do it right. And so that's kind of what I think. That's one in a million. I know, right? There's always a chance. Okay. Thank you. Please. Not a good chance,

but very slim. All right. Bill Rosema. Um She reminded me of a couple of comments I wanted to make. Uh that was a good presentation on Main Street. I liked it. Uh personally, and I'm just throwing my two cents out there. I don't like the idea of putting trees back. I was really, really happy when the trees came down. Line of sight was better. I could see better. Traffic flowed better cuz you could see down the road further. Uh, I don't like the idea of planters either because it takes up sidewalk space. I like nice wide sidewalks for people to walk back and forth down. Uh, a nice clean wide sidewalk is is in my view really attractive. And I'll leave it at that.

Thanks. I'm Jean Richard and I live up on excuse me 1000 North and the zoning committee and I don't remember how long ago it was that they approved that what's it called loop view that subdivision overlook

the overlook yes I'm sorry the overlook um it was several years ago and it was supposed to be all single family homes and now it's been changed I believe to multif family and town houses and

unfortunately young people can't afford single family homes and so they do go to town homes and apartments and I know I need to thank the city council and the planning commission both you guys have heard a lot of ne neg negative response very few positive response But you guys have put a lot of thought into this and I really think you guys are trying to do the best you can for the whole community and really not just for 1 North. Um the when the contractor came in, uh I believe it was Pat and Seth, they they were very informative, I felt like, and they were upfront of what they were going to do and what they expected to do. and that they knew about the rocks. They knew how what what they were getting into. So that made a big difference to me because it is total rocks up there because I live right across the street of where this is going to go. But I just want to thank all of you. No matter what your decision is on that, you're going to get negative response and positive response. So I want to thank you all for hearing the positive and the negatives.

Thank you. Thanks, Jean. Hey, my name is Debbie Bratner and I actually have two two different topics to talk about. The first one I want to just uh talk about the on the hill. So, I went up there just one time and I actually got lost cuz I I couldn't remember how to get out of there and I had to get on my GPS to figure out how to go home. And so, my big concern is is that we put more houses in there, apartments or whatever, and if we do have a fire like what she said, that it's going to be total chaos. And I think that you need to have more egresses for those people to get out of there. So that's my big concern on that. And then on the other thing on Main Street, I think that those popouts or whatever that you called them

um from being a past snow plower. I think that would be pretty horrible to have those things in there because it would be raise havoc on your plow for one thing and then it would just be bad and then it' take away parking and um I think that option three would be the best thing for the retailers or for the shopkeepers. Let them decide how to decorate their storefronts. Um, and then the other thing is they're keep talking about parking in the back. I keep thinking about my poor dad, 88 years old. What if he wanted to go out up town? You're going to make that poor guy park in the back and walk how far to get to and Tmont and Pharmacy, let's say?

Um, it's not going to happen. So, do they just stay home and not shop locally? That's all I've got to say about that. Thanks, Debbie. Thank you.

Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing or public comments, pardon me, public comments. We will go into a public hearing now. Um item number seven, uh this is a public hearing to consider the proposed resoning from R112 to R110 for the overlook development parcels 06 0590082 and 051750030 at approximately 3,700 West 1000 North in Tmont, Utah. The public hearing is now open.

This is chance. Yay. Naze kind of everybody. There's this air of uncomfortableness here. So you're up, Chris. There you go.

Hi, I'm Laura Wear. Um I live up on the hill. So I have also come to a lot of these meetings. I came to the meeting with the developer. Um and it was very educational. I think those that that put that together um so that we could learn about it. Um, I did I did come away a little disheartened from that meeting. Um, it it was frustrating to see the trade-offs that I felt like we had to make as a city. Um, right. In order to get the infrastructure that we needed with the roads and the water, I felt like we had to to give a lot to to the developer, right? And I know in that meeting at least it was mentioned that the change in the zoning would amount to an increase in 90 homes, which doesn't sound like a lot when you're talking about, you know, hundreds of homes, potentially thousands of homes up there. But in our neighborhood right now, there's really only like 73 maybe homes. So, it's it's an additional 400 homes plus doubling our neighborhood. And it it's I still think even with the improvements the developer makes, it will still strain the roads. I live outside of the the water loop that was mentioned in that meeting. I I still worry about my water. Um and mostly I feel like with the PUD, the PUD overlay or the zoning that the city allows, um R12 traditionally shouldn't allow town homes and twin homes and things. As far as when I did my research, that's what that's what it sounded like to me. But with the PUD that the city does allow, we we already are giving the developer so many more homes up there. Like we're already allowing them to to circumvent the zoning that's already there. And so I just wanted to voice that I am against reszoning um to the R110. I just feel like we've already we've already given the developer more than the current R112 zoning without the PUD would allow. Thank you.

Thank you, Laura. Gosh, Tiffany. Okay, I'm going to close the All right. Okay. All right. Up just by the nick of time.

All right. So, my name is Josh McMillan. live up on um up above 1000 North there in the neighborhood and and you know big open spaces is one of the things that attracts me to that place. Um just that's the beauty of it and I know some level of growth is inevitable. I know it's already been zoned. Um, but yeah, when it comes to just crowding that out, I'm I it makes me makes me sad and so I'm against it. That's where I'm at. Thank you,

Josh. Thank you. All right, I'm going to close the public hearing. Uh, and thank all of you, all of those who have uh shared their thoughts and opinions. Uh, those thoughts and opinions will be taken into account as we move through the through the meeting tonight today. So, um, with that, uh, we'll move on to the new council business, uh, discussion and consideration of approving resolution number 25-54 amending the fees and fine schedule, including but not limited to the library changes in the library fees. And as I understand and as you've read through the, uh, descriptions, uh, we're just, uh, eliminating the late book fees. Uh, so the book that I took out of the library when I was 12 years old and uh for some reason never returned it. I guess that's uh the fees have been exhaust. We're not going to worry about it anymore, I guess. So anyway, so we need to um uh we need to uh either council, it's up to you. What are we going to do? I got one thing to say all mayors is this is what the state's going to too. You know, like Cynthia said there all these libraries are going to it. You spend way more money trying to get your $60 in late fees for a $3 book. So, I'll make a motion. It

cost more to administer than it is. Right. I'll make a motion we approve 25-54. Motion by Wes and seconded by Brett. Let's see. We're going to start over here with Brandon. Yes. For me, Bo. Yes, Larry. Yes, Brett. Yes. Yeah. Quest. Yes. Yep. Okay. Motion passes. Item B, uh, discussion and consideration of approving TW, uh, resolution number 25-55 authorizing the chief of police to approve offduty employment of police officers and to execute agreements with third party entities for security purposes. And Lindsay, can you uh Oh, Chief, I I didn't see you walk in. I didn't either. Hello, Chief.

Hey, how's it going?

Yeah, I can answer any questions. Um, a little backdrop to this is most police departments already have this. It's allowed by the state statute and it just incentivizes guys to um work for us because we have secondary employment opportunities. Uh what I'll do as the chief is I'll look at it, make sure it does basically that the cities are not liable for anything. Um that there's sound legal practices. We'll run it through the attorney and then we'll approve it if it makes sense for all parties. Um this could include like hospital security gigs. Um or like the DI has a need. Um right now we don't have a lot on the horizon. We do have one and it's limited hours so shouldn't have a major impact on anything with the city.

Does this also include the reverse? Your officers being able to go out and perform outside of their scope of practice and take on other jobs. Yeah, it's basically just secondary employment. So, our policy requires them to fill out a secondary employment form. This just allows them to use the certifications and their expertise to work in security jobs. Um I I don't know.

Yeah. On their days off. And part of it what my u policy says is that it won't affect what their primary duty assignment. So they won't be calling in sick to go work a secondary um things like that. And it could be revoked at any time if it causes problems. But but you'd be actually overseeing the process itself. I'll be actually just approving it or disapproving it. So, like if someone reaches out and they ask for our help with the security detail, I'll ask, you know, one, I'll make sure they're insured, they they're licensed and insured, and then we'll make sure that we run it through our legal. So, I'm just kind of like the mediator to make sure it makes sense for everybody involved and make sure they're going to cover our guys if something escalates or whatever

that other police departments are using. Yeah, currently Brighgam does it. Um, Unified, Murray, South Salt Lake, pretty much almost every department has some type of secondary employment like this. So, it's pretty across the board. You don't have any other concerns with how it's written up? Nope. Um, one of my requirements for whatever businesses is that they don't hold the city um, legally liable if anything happens and that they're insured. So, not really. And it'll be a contractual sort of agreement that both parties sign and or how does how do you know that?

Well, basically um they would give they provide me with that paperwork uh their insurance, their business as well as the uh indemnification from our cities. So it really doesn't involve the city and it alleviates any responsibility on the cities. It would truly just be a secondary employment opportunity for officers. A lot of them have second jobs. It's pretty normal in our profession. Um, a lot of them are plumbers, electricians, framers. Uh, this allows them to do something more related to their field that they're qualified to do in security. Council, I I make a motion we approve uh resolution 25-55 for the police department's offduty time.

I'll second. Motion by Blair and seconded by Bo. Uh, Bo, you're up. Bo, yes. Larry, yes. Brett, yes. Where? Yes, Brandon. Yes. Okay, motion passes. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Chief. Discussion and consideration of approving resolution number 2556 appointing Colby Page to serve on the library board. Uh, let's see. Bo B, do you have anything? I don't have anything to add. No. Feel good about it? Mhm. Julie got a little busy in her other job, didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. She does a good job. Okay. Do you want to

I'll make a motion uh that we approve resolution 2556 appointing Kobe Page to serve on the library board. Okay. Uh I'll second it. Second. Bo, let's see. Uh Bo made the motion and seconded by uh Wes. Uh Larry. Yes. Wes, you're up. Oh, Brett. Yes. I'm sorry. Wow. Wes. Yes. I'd be worried there for a minute. Yes. Oh, yes.

Okay, we got a Everybody voted yes. All right. Uh Dis Okay. A discussion and consideration of approving ordinance number 25-21 reszoning parcels 06 0590082 and 051750030 located at 3800 west and 1000 north from residential district R110 R112, excuse me, to residential district R110. Uh council, do we have any discussion on this? hot. A lot of discussion on this.

Yeah. Um maybe I'll report on a the the open house that we had last week. There was a lot of discussion. It's kind of a hard um topic to quickly summarize, right? Because there was

there was a lot of discussion and um back and forth. And I I first of all want to thank all the citizens that came to that. Um I think it was super informational. It was really good to hear your feedback and so thank you for that feedback. Uh it really helps us as a council when we have you know as representatives of you to have your voice and and understand your concerns um is critical. So thank you for showing up for that. Um where to start? Uh for those that weren't there I do we need to do we need to go through that for whatever you feel like you need

I guess council what questions did do you have my my question I was talked about planning commission but did the I thought the developer at the one meeting I went to and I was out of town for this other one was that road problem you know how uh you go up there and get stuck and you have to go around. That's That's stupid. But I thought that was going to fix that. Is that not Is the developer here? So, there was there was a long discussion on roads and um so that there's more loops to hook in and go around.

Yeah. So, there's a Have you seen the transportation master plan on there? There's a lot of diagrams for the roads and where they're they're anticipating those. Um there was a lot of discussion and concerns from the citizens about timing on those when the development when it goes in, when are those roads going to actually go in and the timing of the project. Right. So that was that was a big topic of discussion. Um Jeff, do you want to quickly overview the road situation? Yeah, I can give it a shot.

Well, most of my questions would be that and the infrastructure because of like the water tank and all that stuff. If that's a that's a win on my side. So, I don't all I can um the I guess we'll go down one at a time and hope my voice lasts. Um start with the roads. The the transportation master plan is has shown kind of the I think in there it's street F which is that northernmost road ends up kind of creating this umbrella patch that that grabs all the other stubs and will tie into 2000 West once 2000 West starts going up the hill. Um, with the amount of focus we are receiving for residential development on the hill, um, there really is just one small strain and and I'm working on getting in contact with those land holders to see if they'd either be willing to to sell or at least grant an easement for that road to to tie in because we've got three of the four property owners on board, you know, to help tie that road in. and and that will help with giving a a a way to get everything over to 2000 West. Um, which is going to be the main road. Uh, hopefully bringing people off the hill. Um, and that's what we've sized it for with the amount of development that we've kind of been talking about with land owners up there. Um, in terms of the water tank, if you can see, there's a red contour that goes all the way through and and it's rip. Thank you, Cynthia. Excuse me. Anything above that line um will have to be serviced off of the new water

tank. And so with the split in there and we'll work on putting some timing on the water tank in in the development agreement is this is put in. Um, but they won't be able to build north of that red line until a new tank is on there because you'll get past what the state's minimum PSI requirement is per connection. So, um we've already been in preliminary discussions with his engineer and with the um property owner where the new tank goes and we'll figure out um what size um and our city engineer will be primarily responsible for that. But Carl, was it 2 million gallons?

Yeah. two of us are pretty confident that it's 2 million gallon tank which is which is a pretty hefty size. Um and it'll that's enough to service not just this development but everyone on the hill with a lot uh a lot more head differential. Um the other thing that will help and this was expanding on the water is um creating some more loops uh on the water line through like 1100 north and then there was some misnomeomenclature on the plan but the two roads that tie in there on the east part um that'll too will help just create some redundancy in the water service system in that area which will help alleviate some of the service problems we've we've received from uh public

secondary. How are we going to So, with the new tank, there will be an outdoor reservoir to start pumping secondary water up to and then it'll feed back down through uh the system into the hill that way.

And we'll loop that in with what we have there already. Um, and that'll be the the first stage in really changing how our culinary system is fed because the hope is as we build up the hill, we'll start having enough reservoirs up there to handle um a vast majority of the city's secondary needs going into the future. And it'll mean we can change out what pumps we have at the canals right now down the road. So, uh just one on the secondary where this is up on the um up on the hill there. Are there water shares sufficient to handle the secondary at this point?

There's going to have to be or else they can't build. Well, that that's that's like So, where are we on that? I don't know. Okay, that's not our problem, mayor. They got to give us the shares for it. So the other question I have the other question I have is uh the egress on I can't read the 3100 or is that 3100? Um which one those town homes there there's I don't know how many there are but there's a lot. So there aren't any town homes north of 1100 north. So how many? There aren't any town homes. All the town homes What are these? What are these then? So Cynthia, pick a color and we'll go through it. Those are twin homes. So just duplexes.

Okay. Um, those are single family homes that share one driveway and those are the all of the town homes are clustered. Well, that's what I was pointing at is okay. So, how many of those are there? Um, I did the math. If you scroll up to the top, um, Reven associates put a little site summary. Uh, 218. Um one of the things that was discussed in that open house was that um the

the rights that they currently have with R12 um and the current zoning ordinances etc would still allow them to put town home that town home section down below.

Yeah. And then what would most likely happen if if this was declined is that they would have the right still to put in, you know, a lot of these twins would go more to the single family, right? And then the trade-off of that is that for that that extra the road on 1000, the looping of the pipe and water. So, a lot of the current infrastructure problems would be solved by that additional 90. So, I think it's not a matter of whether or not town homes go in, it's rather what happens to these upper lots, if that makes sense, given that the um whether or not we decide to to change the zoning. Um if does does that make sense?

Yeah. So I I guess my my I guess my point what I was trying to get at here was the egress on uh the one road with that many you know when when we were when we were another life when we were developing it was seemed like it was like 70 homes on a on a uh egress 30 30 yeah but once the So I'm just I'm Can you just explaining. I'm not trying I'm sort of just wanting to learn

fire code. Um you can have 30 doors of any kind, apartment, town home, single family, any before you have to have a secondary egress for emergency vehicles. And so it's it's likely why they may stretch a road up to 1100 north, but I still think um just to have that emergency eress um and and to get there past that 30 doors. There is an a possible, but I mean this is a concept plan, so I don't know if it's going to stay, but there is a second outlet based off of tying in with the commercial spot there in the bottom left corner. um they could be counted, but like I said, that's that's a detail we'll work through in the um as we go through preliminary and final plat on what their approach is. So, um but that's something the DRC's very good at making sure we we meet now.

All right, that that answered my question. That Thank you. So there's going to be a fair amount of impact um on infrastructure on this, you know. Um Carl, did you have some information on on that impact in this area? Um I have general information on our culinary water supply. Okay. That right now. We'll switch out. How long how how long does it this play out? How many years before that's done?

Depends on demand. Does that depend on demand or Yeah, depends on absorption is what we call it. Okay. So, you said 5 to seven, correct? By 10. I thought he said 5 to 10. You said 5 to 7, possibly 10.

Okay. Okay. I just Thank you, Brett, for letting me prepare some information in advance. There's not This is not going to take long, but it's kind of visual and I think it helps look at our what our water supply is. You go to the next slide. Okay. Uh what you see is kind of in the orange color there. That is what our existing water supply is. It's a great water supply. It's very certain. Um and the blue is has been our water use for the past 12 months. The part that concerns me is how much it peaks in the summer. So there's still a lot a lot of outdoor use on culinary water. So this is just just the culinary supply right here. So let's go to the next slide. So if we did some things, some pretty reasonable things, get the whole city on secondary and then convince people to use that, we can knock it down significantly to what the green level is there. You'll see there's still a peak. There will always be that increase there. But um a city that becomes fully uh h has 100% availability for secondary water should be able to knock that peak down a lot.

Could I could I input insert a a comment on this? I think it's very relevant. uh did some I've been following tracking these uh numbers as well very closely and and um what what I've learned is uh as a result of the secondary that we've this year uh last year was about we we we uh I don't know if saved is the right word to get but we

we we increased that capacity by about 190 million gallons last year this year I just ran those numbers today and it's 220 million and so that is sort of the impact of secondary in uh you know that I think is and and you're right Carl as that increase is due to expansion of secondary connection. Yeah. So if you were you know yeah it's expansion of the secondary and by using the secondary we have uh built more capacity in our in our culinary uh by about 220 million gallons.

Yeah this is and I've just got this in gallons per minute flow. Will you go back one actually one ohm that's forward that's okay. Okay. Go back. Uh, whatever arrow you just did. The other one. Do the other one.

There you go. So, so the limit you can, as you see there, July is there's it's getting close to 90% of what that water supply is. You usually don't want to you want to give yourself 10% safety factor there. So we're we could develop 200 gallons a minute more and then we'd be at 90%. Go forward two more. So this again this just shows the comp comparison of those two. We want to knock that that peak down to to the green. Let's go on to the next slide. Um that pink line there shows what the 90% is. So if if we were to um get that use down and I'm pretty confident we can do that not too difficultly. It will take a couple years but we'll get there. Then you have that much additional development or you know future use for the culinary supply. Um let's go to the next slide. There is one more scary thing to to all of this and this goes back to water line replacement and repair. We are losing 42% of our culinary water right now. Meaning there's a discrepancy of 42% between what our master meter readings are and all of our customer use added up. That's huge. That's really significant. And I'm pleased that the council made the decision to do a fill station or a few fill stations. That wasn't making up the whole 42%, but that's that's something. We want to hunt down I want to hunt down

all of the unmetered uses and that kind of thing. meter them because and information is is critical and it and it translates into dollars and it translates into wet supply and it's really important. Um, so what I've got shown there, I've knocked the green down even lower if we can reduce our 42% loss to 12%. And I think replacing that 4.4 miles should help with that effort. Um, the question is how much? I don't know. But if we can hunt down what we don't have metered and we replace what we know is problematic already, that will that will help our our culinary supply a lot.

Um, we had the opportunity, you took us on a tour the other day of of the new ASR project. It's uh going to be looks like it's getting close to being completed. Um the whole idea of that is to preserve uh water that's going from our springs. It's just right now going into the Bear River and what we want to do is we want to put that into the aquifer and and save that water for future use. Will that use of the ASR I think I asked you this question the other day. Will that use of the ASR actually increase our capacity? Uh, you know, right now we're looking at about 35 34 million gallons um I think a week that we use. That's our capacity. Uh will that actually increase that capacity?

Yeah. Will you go to the next slide? Great question, Mayor. So, I have a summary and then some uh u recommendations. So currently we only about 200 gallons per minute is what we could approve water supply wise if we did nothing to change any of this. Um, under the idealized scenario that I talked about, if we could uh cut that peak down and and reduce water loss to about 12%. Which would be way more reasonable, that would free up 1750 gallons a minute, like probably about double, you know, it would double what that usage would be. It would double our our capacity there, which would be amazing. Here's your Here's your ASR answer, Mayor. developing a permanent ASR project could add 300 gallons per minute for six months during peaking period. And the reason why that would work really nicely is even under that idealized scenario, you still have that peak there. And the difference between kind of the the shoulder season use and the July use is the perfect reason why we should do that ASR project. And that would would handle that curve uh pretty nicely. And then additionally, we could purchase some additional water. Um, Bare River Water Conservancy District has 500 acre feet a year available, which would add another 310 gallons a minute. You go to the next slide, Cynthia, this is the last one. I promise. Uh, recommendations. This is this is what I want you to think about. My first recommendation is to reduce the excessively high water loss by replacing key water lines and eliminating all

unmetered uses and connections. Uh I think you're pretty supportive of of doing that. The second recommendation is make secondary water available to the entire city. That's in the plan. We're doing that over the next two years. uh everywhere in the city will will have secondary water available. And at that point, we can come we can maybe make some decisions like um number three, increase culinary water rates to influence residents to use secondary water over culinary water.

Could we look at that differently? Three, rather than increasing culinary water rates, why not reduce secondary water rates? Because right now I'm seeing there's no benefit. I've got all my properties on secondary and it's as if they're still in culinary when I get my bill. So So they're set up to culinary set cost. I'm seeing a a close comparison, Wes. It's it's not significant enough for it to be painful. So that's why we're not seeing people spend the money to to tap into their secondary because there's a there's a cost there as well if you can't do it yourself. That's a fact.

Secondary is not cheap. It isn't. There's the notion that it is cheap or even cheaper than culinary is not accurate. What it what it does though, the reason why we do this is because culinary supply is harder to come by. It's it's better quality water. It's limited. We're using 25% of the number of irrigation shares that we have today right now. That's all we're using right now is 25% of those shares. So, we need to from a natural resource standpoint, we need to conserve our our culinary water and we have to clean up our infrastructure so that we're not losing that water. And we need to continue this plan that we've done to get the whole city on secondary water to preserve the the culinary water. That is that is the why of the whole reason why the city has secondary in the first place because it's much more plentiful supply than the the culinary. And then the other recommendations I would have have is to evaluate our currently pilot ASR program which we're going to be doing over the next two years and try and make it permanent and also purchase any additional culinary type water that we can that's available. Those are the options that we have. Say do uh doing recommendations one and two would is equivalent to buying like a huge amount of additional water supply. That would be millions of dollars worth. And we can implement these recommendations that won't cost that much and free up

that supply right there. It's to me it's a no-brainer. And that'll come, Brandon. That'll come when the only thing we don't have on secondary right now is is uh Freed Dolls uh Garfields and then uh what's you guys Homegr

and then some up on the mountain. We don't have any secondary up there past Bob Dutries and and all of that, but everything else is on secondary right now or is available. I'll add to that on number five, we've made some pretty good moves there to start seeking grant funding for, you know, the ability to purchase water rights. So, there's some things in motion which would actually go towards number one as well,

right? Yep. The theoretically if we were to you know if people were to adopt the secondary that would that would level you know our our culinary would be uh there would be ample culinary if you know it's it's just that it's just that trading that trade-off between uh people adopting the adopting this I you know I watched it last year and I watched it this here. Uh we we have we do use more secondary over last year. It's growing, which is good. It's growing, but it's maybe not growing as fast as I'd like to see it grow.

Yeah. So, in tying this discussion back to this subdivision,

right? If you go back, I believe it's your first slide, um you'll notice that during that peak um in July, um if we start adding all of uh these homes, and I realize it's a 5 to 10 year, and so hopefully we'll be putting a lot of these processes into place which will make up for that, but um do you see that having a negative impact on this uh peak in here or do you think we'll be able to make the adjustments we need while this development is taking place to not put ourselves in trouble with water.

Great question. I So, I'm trying to say that until the peaks go down, I wouldn't approve any more than 200 gallons a minute, which would be about 950 homes. Okay. And if we get if we get industrial use in that could be you know industrial use varies from one industry to another. So I mean that's that's just everything for now. Okay. That's all I got. How many doors was that? You said 900

950. And that's assuming that those 950 homes are on secondary water. I got a question. Maybe you can help me with the boat. So, you stated that or someone stated in the under R12 the developers can put in the current condominiums on the lower side and they can do the the duplexes on the higher end. Have we seen a concept of what the R12 development would look like? I mean,

well, I'm asking anybody, but I think both closest we're kind of lucky to have this much actually at this phase of the the whole process. The developers kind of saying, "Hey, we want to be forthright on what we're going to build here." So, even like the open house that we had, um, you know, was kind of saying to the public, "Hey, we're interested in building more of what you want." So, It costs a lot in engineering and we're not even to that phase yet. So this is a concept map. Say, hey, this is generally speaking what we're going to do. But this is a concept of R10, correct?

Yes. Correct. And so I just want to make sure myself and the public understand what the potential benefits are from going from R12 to R10 because there's already I think in our minds the negatives are in place even under the R12. Correct. With with any development

with any development and with high density housing. Correct. So, I just want to be clear on what are the clear benefits if we were to vote to go to R10. What are the clear benefits for the city and for the neighbors that live in that area if it were to go to R10? Can anybody speak to those? And I did some math and

instead of using I'm going to use it's a 20% increase from R 110 R1 112 down to R 110 rather than the doors because it could fluctuate a little and I don't want people holding each if they put in 91 doors and so but it's a difference of 20%.

Just FYI. So the the there's the benefits are the infrastructure uh paid for by the developer, right? We're asking them to pay for more for increased density. If we don't, we're going to have to figure out how to do. So 1,00 North was a big concern. That was something that the residents were really concerned about. No sidewalks. 10,00 North is too small. It needs to be, you know, widened.

Widened and made appropriate. So that that is one of the things that is going to be asked for for that increased density. The second was looping the culinary water line. Currently it's at the end of the hill and there's a lot of just pressure by the time it makes it up to the Scott's home. There's 40 lbs of pressure up there. he said, right? And so in the evening when everybody's up there bathing at the same time of taking their shower before bed, um there's no pressure or you can't wash the dishes and do that, right? So we currently have a problem up there, right, infrastructurally.

So one of the things that developers talking about was looping that line so that you're not just pushing water uphill. It has that backwards pressure and it's going to come down actually right from the water tank. So, it's actually going to solve some of the water pressure issues that are already on the hill. Um, that's what's been interesting to me, uh, is that, um, cuz realistically, and I've said this and even been quoted for it, we kind of have to choose our hard here, right? We already currently have an infrastructure problem up on the hill. Shouldn't change water pressure. That should be elevation dependent 100%. But it would change water quality.

Quality and and capacity because you when you loop you get Yeah. And capa. Yes. And capacity. I just don't want to promise people that are at the top that they're going to have high water pressure cuz they won't. I think there was discussion around that um around until until there's a tank. The tank can solve the water pressure. Well, I mean it the higher you are, the lower your pressure is. We're re we're used to having pretty high water pressure here in town, most parts of town. Obviously up on the hill, not so much. Would the tank on the hill solve water pressure issues?

Um I mean if it's up 100 half pound per foot on elevation, it it's it would be the higher up you put it the better it is for the people higher up. But then we're fighting it and we're breaking it as it goes down because if it gets over

110 pounds, that's pretty high. And every home should have a a pressure reducing valve has to in their home. But I mean, that kind of pressure damages people's appliances. I I would be really in I'm always really in favor of of anything that can be done to help with the infrastructure. It is a such a battle and you guys know this better than me even to get anything infrastructure-wise. Wes is nodding his head. And so that is anything that can be done that can help out would be tremendous. And and that was the discussion in the open house with the residents, right, was, hey, we've we've got these these issues, infrastructure, we can either way as a city, we're going to have to provide general infrastructure up on the hill to to accomplish, right? Do we want to allow for a little bit higher density to be able to pull off asking the developer for that or are we going to try to raise property tax or do a special district or some other way cash has to come to be able to pay for that infrastructure right and so how are we how are we going to do that and and you know police force just since I I'm noticing we we are going have additional costs, which will also have new additional property tax. And we got to be really good stewards about setting aside with our new property tax the increased demand for public safety. And so, you know, Chief Cordova took and and put all the data together for about what that would look like based off of the other development that's similar to this

over across from the golf course, right? So he took numbers of actual calls and anticipated and it' be about another one and a half officers. One and a half right since I got perfect. Use it when you have it. So and the impact of the fire department would be one new fireman and one new fireman. Yeah. They're about one per,200 citizens. So told me one per thousand today. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I think we're

so so in my mind that's that's what we're talking about is do we want to increase the density a little bit to uh pay for the infrastructure issues or do we want to as a city figure out how to fund it right which opens up truth and taxation and other other things that we don't I I don't necessarily want to go down that road if if we don't have to increase property tax to be able to to to put in the 1000 or specifically when when I'm saying that I'm I'm talking about infrastructure that should have been negotiated in the past as developments went in or planned for that are currently not. We're behind right now. And so it's it's kind of a hard situation, right? I don't I don't like it.

Yeah. I think for me, if I'm if I'm a resident that's currently live on that hill, what what needs to be very clear for me is the fact that it's already zoned for R12, what could and will happen to that property as it stands. Okay, that's that's a question I have to ask myself. What was at what was said in the open house most likely would be that something similar to that plan would come back, but instead of that higher density in the top with the orange, it would come back as those others as green, right? Similar to the other ones. So there'd be more single family homes. Yeah,

correct. But but the fact is, and I don't want to keep repeating myself, but the fact is under R12, there's a lot that developers can currently do. And in an R10, there are some benefits to the city. That's what we're trading. Yeah. Infrastructure for a density shift. That's that's the trade-off. I don't think just the city. I think if I was up there and I my water pressure could go or have another way out, that would be a big deal to me. I I really do. So when I say city, I mean uh the community. Yeah. But I mean entire city.

But even even the people on the hill is going to benefit from the if the road gets redone and some of that to put up with some of the hassle. I'm not saying it'll all be, but Now, another question of infrastructure is uh it it's no secret we're looking at going even further up on the hill uh with some additional homes and so we have a lot of water that comes off that hill and so we're going to need to have some really good storm drains and whatnot to to pull that water off, right? Yeah. And

we're going to need I imagine we're going to need some pretty good um storm drain basins. Basins and and pipe that are pretty thick to bring all that water off if we get that really bad storm. Right. I don't know if our pipes down at the bottom would take it all the way. That's that's the concern I have. Not just the storm drain pipes, but the sewer pipes as well. Pipe too. So, I guess where I'm headed with this is we need to make sure that as we're it's over a little bit more, but we need to make sure we've got some lines going up to that area so we're not having

we're solving some utility concerns, but I I'm not convinced at least, you know, I'm I'm not super familiar with this concept and this development either. I' I've not been, you know, involved in those conversations. Maybe one conversation is all, but there's there's other utility issues that we ought to look at because bringing bringing that amount of new development up high impacts our existing infrastructure down low and and they could put in a wonderful thing up high and if we can't handle it down low, it's going to back up. That's a problem. And I don't know that we've

is that I know I haven't looked at that. I'm sure they've started looking at that. But so when we're talking about infrastructure and impact then that should be sort of factored into we need to see some need to see some model results. We just need to see some modeling not just on the water supply end of things but the storm drains and the uh sewer and sewer is big. That's all got to come to 1,200 and down doesn't it? Yeah. That's the we got the potential choking point right there. No, but our impact fees can pay for that over oversizing and preparing for that. Correct. From this They should.

But I've I've told you this before. There's a there's a big delay between when we collect those and when we have to put it in. You have to put it in up front, which means we go into debt and then hope that we recover that later on. And that's just the way that game is played. That's my concern right there. We're not talking about whether or not we're going to have 500 homes on the hill or not. We're talking about whether it's 20% more for the developer to pay for that infrastructure. That's what we're talking about tonight. And and if that's what we're talking about,

are coming and we we're preparing for that and there there will not be building permits issued or you know they can't move forward without these answers coming to us, right? Like water has to be available and anytime it puts us under our levels of service that that would not move forward in in in the natural process. What we're talking about today is the difference between this 20% increased density to pay for infrastructure cost. That's and be a net benefit.

So, I'm not for or against it. I'm just trying to surface the reality of what we're voting on, right? Cuz I I have heard that several times that like this is we don't want town home. We don't want 500. Those aren't necessarily the decisions we're we're making. where we're talking about infrastructure tradeoffs that we're asking the developer to take care of and they're asking for 20% increased density to do so.

Does that include um if if I'm looking here at 1,00 and the the sewer and and storm drain and everything going going along there, is that something we should be looking at uh you know upsizing as a result? Would that you know further down? It's even further down is is where the upsizing further to the east. Will that go to a th00and west or will that go to Maine and then down? I'd like to that should go to a th00and west. That's where the the bottleneck is further to the east. South of

Well, that parking lot can hold a lot of water. Okay, I think we got a lot of still unanswered questions even, you know, it's like we say, we'd hate to get that up there. And I also want to voice one more concern that was brought up in the open house I think is really important. Uh Sean had mentioned that his road uh going to McDonald's or coming from McDonald's up, but I don't know that the road 22 get it's already trafficked a lot. So, so we're going to want to be sure that we're thinking about that road because it actually gets used a lot with this, right? So,

BRO's going to go around there, too. Correct. Okay. That's going to someday tie into the top. I just want to make sure that the voices that came were heard uh to to you guys also. Right. And that was one of the notes that I had here to to make sure that that was um stated. Okay. Um, any other discussion on this? We need to vote. Anything else you want to council? Do we have enough information? I don't know if we do or not. That's that's you guys' decision. I mean, them last couple of comments there with the sewer upsizing on a thousand west.

But doesn't the sewer have to be addressed before they get so many? I mean, there's a potential it could go the sewer could go down the other way if they annexed out the other way and go to them pump stations. Well, yeah, we'd have to cross the freeway again though to put it that way. And I I know that we got issue problems on a 1000 West, but I'm with both. The difference is, are we doing the the R12 or the 10? because the 12's still going to go in. We still have the same sewer problem, right?

That's that that's my concern is that if we say no and to this and we don't get those infrastructure additions that we're going to we're going to need to bud allocate a lot of budget which most likely I mean you were all in the budget meetings last year, right? So that's what makes this hard is we're choosing our hard as a council, right? I I don't want that much density up there either. I don't know if anybody does. What that also means if we say no is that we need to come up with funding to figure out how to pay for that infrastructure. And so irregardless, we've got some hard we're we're going to have hard issues to solve no matter how we vote. we are and we can either do it now or we can you know just which which form of it do we want it's choose our hard and that it's unfortunate but it's just a it's a brutal reality right so I generally speaking in the open house at the end again I'm speaking in generals and this is my perception could be totally off was some citizens were were kind of on board. I thought some of them that were on board though tonight stated that they're not still.

Yeah. So, I received some texts back from some of those that you thought were on and and they've kind of indicated they're not. So, yeah. So, what's important to me is that we vote. We represent our constituents, right? We represent them. and we need to vote accordingly. So, so is the the debacle. How do you know when as a city council, how do you know when you have the majority of the citizens perspective given to you?

Well, and the information too, the information to make a valid vote. And so that that's I think that's part of what Wes's argument is. Yeah. I mean, people down on the south end of town, they don't care about the mountain. People on the east side of town, they don't care about the mountain. On the south side of town, the mountain care about the mountain more than anybody. I'm not saying completely don't care cuz it's going to involve the whole town. But when they start building in your backyard and you don't want them town homes and all that, then you'll come to here. But the people that it's not affecting don't come down and and say I don't want town homes in my back yard. Never have.

So if we um let's just say that uh this stays R112. Uh can you put it into um you know what is you you made it really clear what what it is really we're choosing our hard you said but if we leave it at R112 does that mean that we um you know we have 90 less units 20% less 20% less not 20% less units but you are still looking at uh town homes and

um I don't want to say condominiums. I don't know if that's developers are going to develop the stock that is moving right that that is in demand. Well that's yeah no and they and they have that right when they own property to do so. So we, you know, we do have to, but does this Okay. So does this uh the 20% less does that uh what does that what are we giving up infrastructure-wise in terms of do we not put in the sidewalks? Do we not put in the uh what is it that we don't do?

And Jeff might be able to speak better to this because he's in the detail of it. Um but the road 1000 you know some of the infrastructure costs on water.

The the struggle we get put in is this the residents have expressed a need to get better infrastructure to get things that handle the traffic better up there. And with the 20% there's leverage to ask the developer to to pay for more of it at the at the R112 where it's at. I mean, how do we not go and try to find the funding to improve a thousand north after the hours of discussions we've had with the public? So, the city's able to do that and on the at the brink of starting the budget discussion at the new calendar year, like you we end up having to to prioritize a project and what does that cost us? We don't know. And uh I know three two of you at least won't have to find out either. Um that that we end up having to find a way to pay for that project. Is it through impact fee reimbursements? Like where's the money coming from for the project if the developer isn't funding it himself? Like that's the trade-off. like you they'll still have to put a water tank in, but by state code they only have to put in a water tank for their development. They don't have to put in a water tank with enough capacity to help the rest of the residents on the hill or future residents that might be on the hill. And same thing, they don't have to do any roadway improvements except for what their frontage is. So yeah, they'll pull the utilities and and it's left in the city's pockets then to pay to finish the pavement and the roadway section and the curb, gutter, sidewalk. All that now comes to the city. But if we um permit 90 more doors or 20% extra, we can negotiate with the development agreement and the um what what um what's

covered by the developer outside of what he has to do to meet state and building codes. Does the um Okay. So, does the R110 are we talking uh I I heard the talk about completing the sidewalk along 1000? Um are we widening the road? Is this part of the agreement in upsizing the upsize I guess? Um sewer and water and and storm drain and all that kind of thing. Um, is that what we're that's the benefit all of that?

I mean, they've got to pull those lines and utilities up to them anyway, but there's no spot in code that says they have to put in the curb and gutter and sidewalk. I mean, they just have to patch. So, that's part of the that would be part of this agreement.

Yeah. And so, if that's part of the agreement is is we've come a little way and granted them 20% more doors. So, what can they pay now? when that the city doesn't have to. And we'll go through and and look and and I mean doing off-site hydraologic studies is very common um and see what kind of flows they need to be able to handle. I've done multiple through my times as an engineer before this life that you have to account for. I mean, that's part of hillside development is you have to account for the water that is obviously going to be flowing in from runoff and that's even as it continues to go up. So there the I mean I trust Chris and Carl and me and the rest of the DRC staff will will vet through those those and um because we know this is not the last development on Radio Hill either. So we either figure it out with this one or get to learn it in the next one. Um, and that means for all of the all of the utility lines that may need to be upsized or um all the I mean getting it to the treatment plan.

So would it be would it be possible to um you know we've talked in sort of concept and we talked in uh you know that we put in the sidewalk, we put in widen the road and do the other things as a result of this agreement. Uh but what I haven't heard is dollars and cents. Is there sort of a is there would that be possible to to say yeah this is there's going to be x number of dollars worth of infrastructure improvement that the city wouldn't have to come up with if not at this level. I mean, we'll get to that level of detail, but I mean,

could that be done? Could that be done to where, you know, we could make I know it's not at this level. I know, but we're we're kind of driving into that. That's where we're heading with. Yeah. I just I mean, it depends on which construction season you get to put the road in, you know. Um I mean, we've seen it as a city council when we put things out for bid and they come in high or they come in much lower. I get all that, you know, I understand. But I mean, the longer we stay at this one, the more expensive the road becomes in general, but like I don't I mean, at this point, we don't know what the roadway would cost, but we could get that information.

So, if I may, mayor, I think the development agreement is what will specify what they will take care of and what we will take care of. And right now, we don't have those answers. Yeah. And I think we want those answers prior to making the decision. And so that's the conundrum we're at.

That's kind of where I was getting at. You know, that's that's that was that's the road I was driving down. But um but I think that, you know, what we have before us tonight is what Bo was talking about. We we what we have before us tonight is, you know, do we change the zoning from R112 to R110? and that that really is the decision that is before us. So, um, you know, there's a lot of lot of work that would need to be done between here and there,

but that's but I think we I think Bo laid this out very well that uh really what we're looking at is uh you know these improvements that should have been done but they weren't uh ought to be you know we've got an opportunity to to improve that that's those areas right there. So with this zoning change, so I guess now it's kind of up to you guys. Is it is it um at what point are is the development agreement brought forth in front of council? So we'll

correlative to the reszone because there is kind of a contingency there, right? Yeah. So the development agreement would come um as part of So okay, we would start working on it now. Um we would final we would go through preliminary plat which really sets the road map for what the whole subdivision is and we continue to go through and then whatever their first phase is. They don't get approval to start on that phase unless the council has ratified the the development agreement. So, they don't really get to begin construction on the project until the development agreement has come back to you for um adoption.

And if the reszone has been done, what leverage do we have?

A lot more. I mean, some actually I mean right now it's just they are following the they could follow the zoning code and and you're talk I mean we're left there. Right. Um, and I know we've talked about the road, but it'd be very easy with 90 less units where they just give us open space and now it's the city also gets to go build the park. And we've already had multiple discussions with Zach and Carl of other city parks that are coming online here in the next couple years. You know, where do we find the funding to build four parks now? Um whereas with the 90 ext the 20% extra we get a park with amenities and and with the parks master plan almost done we have a good dollar value of of what that's um what dollar value that has brought to our park system. So, uh it's I mean 20% more gives gives quite a bit of of leverage for uh me and the DRC to go through and and negotiate something. Um whereas whereas not permitting the reszone really just we have to make sure they're meeting the the standards and and now the city's left to start picking up odds and ends. If we were to change it to an R110, can the developer just turn around and sell the property?

Um, I mean, technically, yes, but with my understanding of how they've been of where they're at in this the current contract negotiations, very unlikely just because there is already separate land owners and they've already contracted with a development group to come in. So, I think they're past the point of of looking to resell just because of a reszone. Well, that's a great question. I'm not going to lie. On the bingo card of questions, I thought I'd answer tonight. That wasn't one of See, that happened in River's Edge. Should have asked that question before we all voted early November.

All right. I think we've got a I think we hopefully got enough information. If any of you do have questions, the the developers engineer and the development team are here if you'd like to address any comments to them as well.

I I just want to state that if if we leave it, I don't think there's going to be we have other roads in town that need it need sidewalks. It's been longer, more traffic. I don't think we're gonna grease the squeaky wheel and say, "Oh, we didn't do it, so we'll pay for it." Because I don't think we have the money to do that. So, we won't be if that sidewalk and all that's up there a big deal. I don't think it's in our clear near future to do that. And not with what I've seen in the last couple of years. So

that is my biggest concern that we in the past we have not adequately ask the developers to take on infrastructural and and we are and and that's what that's what makes it entertaining to me to look at this is that I think up on the hill you look at some that a lot of them were just two or three houses here two or three houses. So they wouldn't have been a development. They do that. They were individually that collectively made a a development. So I don't think anybody dropped the ball there. It just wasn't at at this level. The county that the city annexed in

up there. Same old thing,

right? It's it is just part of the the evolution that Tmont is seen in its growth pattern that I mean what got Tmont here were were local developers doing two three four lot subdivisions you know here and there but we didn't really grow much. I mean two maybe 3% annually. Now we're at the point where it's in the five six even 8% year-over-year growth rate. You're you're talking about now a different level of developers that are coming in and it is advantageous of us to treat them differently than we have before because they're bigger than they've been before. I mean, not to toot Pat's horn too much and think that he's got more money than the the big big developers aren't here yet. So, but they're coming.

Okay. Do you have any questions for the developers? council. Hate to put you on the spot, but is what we're saying, I mean, is that right that you'll do some of that stuff infrastructure-wise? We're not blowing smoke or that's a big deal for me. And I mean, maybe ask more specifics, too, cuz they in the open house, they went into quite a bit of detail there on that. So I I may be too far in the forest to see the trees because I there there's been hours of discussion, right? So maybe ask if if there's more specific questions around the

Would one of you like to come up and we can ask you some questions or the both of you? Will you grab that microphone?

Tell us your name. So Pat Burns with the Link Development 2702 North Burns Lane. I'm Chris K from Reven Associates. So, u the the uh discussion that we had, do were we on track? Were we is there anything you'd like to clarify on some of that?

Um like Chris could jump in to answer some engineering questions and stuff like that, but you were definitely spot on with we are going to dive into that and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to dive into that. the engineering what's going to happen what will happen with but that's why I pay these guys a lot of money to solve all those problems we come in and solve the problems that are existing when we bring a development like this so we can solve the storm drain issues and solve how it's he'll tell you I'm not going to tell you he'll tell tell us how because that's what

yeah we we have to design the storm drain system so that it doesn't release any more water into the existing system that already is So whatever is coming off the water now off the hill now we won't bring any more than that because we can't right we'll hold it and then yeah we have to build detention basins we have to have control structures we have to have you know the the water gets backed up until it can release at the current rate that it leaves the basins now or the land now so the storm drain will be contained on site um the sewer we have to bring the sewer up from a th00and north um it's coming up from 31 31 33 30 30 30

Yeah, it's we have to extend it up to the to where the access is coming in. Um culinary water, we're working with an adjacent property owner to get the tank up high enough that it'll be the tank that needs to be for the city to increase your water pressure. Yeah. Um, secondary water. Pat's going to build a reservoir for that and all these homes will have secondary water and it will benefit the city system as well. We we went through that um with staff on how what we have to do to make the secondary water function. Can I ask a question right there? Secondary water, will it also benefit the other neighbors up on the hill?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're working in conjunction with adjacent property owners to put the tanks and the reservoirs up high enough that they will solve the problems.

So, another question you're go ahead. I don't want to interrupt uh just on that secondary water. It's it's awfully porous up there. How do you how can you seal Have you thought about that? Have you thought about sealing those reservoirs? Uh lined typically would do like a clay liner. I see. To keep it from seeping in. I just know it's awfully porous, you know, so that Yeah. Okay. And then we get in when we get into the engineering of the site and we'll get the geotech and we'll see what the soils are and what we have to do to keep the water from being losing the water.

Yeah. Any other questions for these gentlemen? So, the 10,00 North, the sidewalk, and that is that part of your the part of that or Yes. In in putting the improvements on that, you guys got a guy here that is going to hold us to the fire to make this do the road widening the road. Is that is that part of this need? It can be. Well, the what

gonna maybe explain a little I'll explain a little bit of difference as a developer. When we come in and we have an existing zoning and we don't have to do anything, we're not going to give you anything. Why would we do that? That's dollars and cents is business. When I come in and for ask for something, I'm going to get something out of it. I'm going to give something to get that. But if I don't have to give anything, why would I? And if we don't get the reszone, our discussions are going to be 100% different. It is what do I have to I'm going to do my frontage on my development. Why would I touch his? Why would I do that? I mean, that's not me being selfish. That's just how business works. Anybody in my same shoes would do that exact same thing.

But I get following state code. And it's following code. Yeah. I'm not we're not doing anything illegal or asking for it's not and I don't ever want to come by as as a threat. I'm just saying you get two different things.

It's if if you if you're saying hey you can get an increased density but you have to give us this. It's all a everything is math to me. Everything matters. Numbers are all that's what we look at is okay we paid this much for the ground we can sell it for this much. Those two are never going to change. Only thing that's going to change is what we can do in the middle. So if we can add more density, that adds more money that we can put into the project. If we can't get an increased density, that number is not going to change. So we have this number that's solid because no matter what, we can only pay sell for what they're going to sell for. So once we finish that middle, that's what we have to play with. And so our margins are exactly the same. I can only do this. I can only bring my investment money if we're going to have our margins into it. on our margins. Everybody thinks all developers just get so rich. We're margin based. If we're going to spend 40 million, we have to make this much off of that. We're going to spend 30 million, we have to make this much off of it. If we're going to spend 50 million, we're still making this much off of it. So, our margins stay the same. So, if we can increase our density, we have more money to give back to the city. If we don't increase our density, we still have money we'll put into the project, but it's not an increased amount. It stays exactly the same because that middle number is all we have to play with. So, if we can increase that middle number, that gives him more stuff to beat us up over. And that's how the game works.

He's got a strong arm, I'm telling you. And he gets to use two hands sometimes, so it's not fair. I thought it was the height advantage. Okay. Any other questions?

Well, I just want to state that I don't take lightly changing R12 to R110, right? We have a land use plan. We we need to be serious about as a city council about honoring our zones, right? This is again this is our option to choose which what we want to do and a lot of it comes down to a financial decision like he just right. This decision has a lot to do with are we as a city going to pay for the infrastructure or are we going to increase the density some to let the developer pay for the infrastructure. That's really the question at hand here.

Right. I mean, that's how I see it. Yeah. No, I see it the same way. Yeah. Are we ready for a decision? Or do we need more discussion? I think we're good. Good. Okay. I make a motion that we approve to reszone it to R110 of ordinance 25- 21. I'll second it.

Motion by Blair and second by Wes. Let's see. I don't know where we're I think we're at you, Brett. Okay. Well, let me interject in here. Um I'm not saying that this is a bad subdivision. I just am not convinced of it yet. I as I've been doing my financial analysis on it, I can't tell if it's going to be a positive or negative effect. Um I've got four concerns. The other concern is we've done a lot of work over six months to gain public trust and I'm afraid um this could jeopardize that just a little bit. Um, so I was I was hoping, but the mo motion's been made, so there's not much that can be done, but I was hoping to put this off so that the new city council could work with this issue, but um, so with that, I'm going to say no.

Right. Wes,

I'm going to go with what I feel is um, what's going to be best for the city in 20 years. um you know, these guys are going to help pay for for for new officers and and new policemen and things like that. And so I know it's not what a lot of the residents want right now, but I'm going to go with a yes for the future of our city. Um for me that I'm going to vote no. And it's not so much about the difference between R1 and R12, R10, R12. I have a real problem with the parking issues that I'm seeing in the plan. I have a real problem with HOA fees and how those can be um compounded with no control year-over-year. And um I feel like the constituents have stated pretty boldly that that they're not ready for this. That's the way I'm voting. Uh I personally or privately feel that the uh the contractors are are are being very honest in their offering,

but um I still have some struggles with voting yes at this time. Okay, Paul,

um I've had a substantial amount of conversations with residents. Um we've done open houses that where there was a lot of dialogue. Um from a financial stewardship perspective um people are under a lot of burden right now with property tax and taxation and I know with schools that's been a that's been a big conversation. um they did pull the trigger to um do that to raise property tax. Um I think I think we need to get the infrastructure build out that we need in order to do that or we're going to have big struggles on our hands. Um one of my biggest concerns was public safety. I think those have been uh quite addressed. Um, mainly from a financial stewardship perspective, I I vote yes.

Okay, I'm Yes. I I can bring up all the stuff and I I know that people hate it. They're going to hate either one of them. So, we just will get the infrastructure. That's my That's my If you live up there, but I don't think the rest of the town, the guy that doesn't care down south shouldn't have to pay for it either. It's there's two whole things there. So, and and if I could just quickly add that there's not a good answer for me here. I don't get to say yes to the thing I want to say yes to because it's not an option. So, I'm just just to be clear, that's what makes this decision really hard for me.

It is, I think, for everybody.

This is um this is something that's been difficult for the uh for the area up there, for the community. We appreciate all of the concern and all of the input that is uh and and the involvement. Uh this is a very difficult decision. As you can see, the council uh weighed Hitley on this and they um they've uh given a lot of thought and concern over the over the issue over the uh last several months, several several months and u so I want to I want to recognize the honesty and the uh uh and their their interest in doing the right thing here. Um, as it stands right now, the motion passes. Um, we will change the the zoning. Um, let's see my uh ordinance 25-21, the resoning of parcel, those parcels located at 3800 West. Uh, the motion the um motion passes. So, we'll adopt ordinance number 25-21. Thank you, council. Thank you so much for and thanks to all of you for your um input. We appreciate it so much.

Moving. Can I just say one? Yeah. Yeah, sure.

So, I when I say I do this for a living, I literally do this for a living. I go to public meetings weekly. Um so, you know, I don't usually get city councils nearly this involved. This is very impressive that you guys, this is my fourth public hearing that I've been sitting at for just this development. I normally sit at one. So you guys, as far as transparency, trying to truly hear what your constituents want, that's impressive because that's that doesn't happen. And I and I there's not a city I was in a city meeting before I got here. That's how much I go to city meetings. It's not I I I literally do it every well twice a week, maybe sometimes three or four. But so, uh, for what's that for what that is worth, you guys are doing a great job. And I don't mean that as a developer. I just mean that as a citizen, as somebody who deals with city councils all the time.

Thank you. We appreciate that very much. And thank you, council. I from the bottom of my heart, I I really do appreciate all of the time and effort and everything you put into doing this. So, uh, with that, we'll move on. Um, discussion my discussion and consideration of approving ordinance number 25-22 amending title 3 city government part 3-77 voting of the revised ordinances of Tmont City Corporation. Uh, this one keeps us on the state what we are right now.

Yeah. Okay. So, let me this one. Yeah, this you're right. This one keeps us on the state. Is that correct, Cynthia?

Okay. So, what this is kind of unique and we've I've never done this before. Um, so we're going to also uh present discussion and consideration of approving ordinance number 25-23 amending title 3 city government and uh part 3-77 voting of the revised ordinances of Tmont City Corporation. Now the first one what we're talking about here is conflicts of interest. uh you know we want to put this into an ordinance and one is to adopt the city just go with the state ordinance the state code adopt that the other one is to um uh go with the state code with the exception that we would make this just households is that correct

you want to clarify that the state code defines household also they both do okay the difference is our code recluses a person from voting and discussing. That's the only difference in the two codes. You want to follow the state. Exactly. If we follow the state then someone can declare a conflict but they can they can compete in or discuss and vote and the other one they would recluse themselves. They would recluse themselves and they can still recuse themselves if they just they could they could but we don't have a All people won't do that. All right. And so that's the big difference here. That's the big difference.

And the way we have it now is they recluse themselves and they go sit down. What we added to it was just a household and definition of what a household is and that's where the code changes, right? Or we can drop to the state code and allow people to participate in the discussion. Um I I had a a discussion with one of the people that I thought was in conflict that they're not anymore, but you know, one of the new council people and they were fine with reclusing themselves. So, it I don't think anyone's got heartache one way or the other. One way or the other. Okay.

I I'm just trying to protect like when Blair when you two were on just trying to protect you, you know. So, all right. Um I mean if there's discussion I just think that if we go with the state then every time the state up updates it for whatever reason then we just adopt the state thing and then it's always up to date. I agree with that. That's my you want to make a motion along those lines? Well I don't know how how do you which one's which? I don't know which first the first the first one is the state. We approved 22 but don't approve. But there are there concerns with I mean are there any concerns with that?

There's a lot of concerns and and you know I'll say no to that but that's okay. You guys can do what you want. Let's discuss those. is we do have people that get up and they have a conflict and we do have people that get up and they have a conflict and they don't if they don't recluse themsel they're interjecting a lot of power and influence and debate over changing other people's opinions and I'm I'm a little bit against that especially if they have a true conflict and I don't feel that way with the city council. So, you're concerned about other committees?

Yes. Okay. So, that's and actually you bring up a good point that this we make this adoption to this one. Uh our attorney highly recommends that we this will be the same thing for the planning commission and and uh other bodies. I guess I don't know if there be commission and DRC.

The DRC. Well, the DRC is mostly uh employees. We don't have voting council or mayor or anything else on the DRC. Um those are all employees. Um anyway, so council, what do you think? We also as a council have the ability to change those seats around, right, of on those committees and vote upon that. Oh yeah. Okay. Well, I'll make a motion where you approve 25-22. 22. Stay on the state.

So, I think what we'll do is we'll go through and we'll vote on that. I'm still confused. Which one's the state's the one that doesn't recuse themselves? Yeah. But but I think if they got a valid thing that I don't know about, which you do, then I think we should be working to have people not on those committees that have a conflict of interest, especially when there's multiple conflicts of interest. That ought to be addressed separately. That would help. But it was here. It was on the council. No, he's when I was a city employee and voted for a raise. That was a conflict. Forgot to recluse myself. Yeah. 63 cents. But but but that that's not what he's talking about. Well, it could be.

Could be. Well, it could be. Yeah. But which is it could be fine. But I think that for the most part, you're not going to have the challenges on the council. And if you do, then you should go sit down. Well, and the only the only one, for example, Sharie City down there, her husband's on the fire department, right? Well, if under this code, if we were doing a raise for the fire department, that would affect her personally. So, she would declare a conflict of interest under state code. She could

continue that discussion. I would recommend that she don't, you know, but that's it's within her right to do that. And so with the other code doesn't get that choice. So that's the only difference. Or if I have a store downtown and we're talking about it, I'd have to recluse myself. Sh Jeff won't give her any of his money anyway. Yeah. If you knew how Jeff and Shie money was. Not a com. I'm more apt to go with the especially if it fixes it somewhere else in the near future. Yeah, you're willing to go. Okay. So, we the other way.

Let's go with a a vote on uh ordinance number 25-22. If the if it does pass, then we'll just know that we're not doing 23, but if it doesn't pass and we'll move on to that one. So, uh let's see. Uh Wes, did we ever get a second? I'll second. Oh, I'm sorry. Do this is for state. Yeah, I'll make a second. A motion. Second motion. And the motion was made by Wes. Wes. Okay. Wes made the motion and Brandon uh seconded the motion. And Wes says yes. Wes is yes. Brandon is yes.

Um I actually would prefer to see us go with the second option. Um and so I'll say no. And and again for for public trust. Okay. Um All right. I think it's important. Larara, I think I'm going to go no also. Okay. And I'm in no. All right. So then we go to 23. We'll just go around the go around the dis again. Um Brandon, I'll make a motion that we adopt. I'm sorry. Yeah. Adopt ordinance 20 523. Okay. And explain to him what the difference is in this one. You had to recluse yourself. There is a conflict and leave the DAS. I can vote yes on that as well.

I'll second it. Okay. So motion by Blair Brett and seconded by Blair and Brandon. Yes. Bo. Yes. Blair. Yes. Brett. Yes. Question. No. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. I appreciate that. That clarifies that issue. Second. What's that? Now you got to make a motion on the Well, I'll make a motion on the 25 24. Is it 24 or 25? I think we have to make a motion on both. Right. I make a motion that we deny 2524. Okay. And that would be a good one. All right. Um

I'll check that one. Motion by Brett and seconded by uh Wes. Um let's see. Bo. Bo. Yes. Barry. Yes. Brett. Yes. Wes. Yes. Brandon. Yes. And by default, I guess we're going I'll keep them the same. Ordinance number 25-25. I'll make a motion that we approve. Ordinance 20. Motion by Bo and seconded by Brandon. Okay. Red eye. Horse eye. Brandon. Yes. Bo. Yes. Blair. Yes.

Okay. Very good. Thank you everybody. That was the first I think done this for a lot of years and that's the f first time we ever done anything like that. Uh let's see. Uh okay we jump down to I now. Uh discussion and consideration of approving uh number 25-26 amending title 18 franchise agreements part 18-127 annexation of the revised ordinances of Tmont and city corporation. Where are we at on this one? Just one I talked to the um when we have annexations we have to send notices to utility companies and a whole slew of people

and Rocky Mountain does not want us sending a copy to this 2011 South Main. They would just like it to the PO box. So we're just amending it in our code so it's out of question. No problem. Is that that's pretty clear. Have a motion on that one. I'll make a motion that we approve ordinance 2526. I'll second. Motion by Bo and seconded by uh Brandon. Let's see. I think Wes, you're up. Wes, yes. Brandon, yes. Bo, yes. Blair, yes. Brett, yes.

Motion passes. Thank you. Discussion and consideration of allowing the discharge of firearms within city limits at 1086 South, 10,000 West. Uh this is uh something we need to be taking into considerate. take this seriously. Uh, this is it within city limits and we currently do not allow for firearms to be discharged within city limits. Is that not state code? The the reason for that they want to discharge he wants to put a a target range in right into the burm of that's you guys freeway.

I think he can explain mayor. Yeah, the one that's asking. Okay, thank you. This is a lot better crowd than about an hour ago. Um, okay. Yeah, I can roll up there. Keep shooting. I uh So, yeah, I live between the two freeways. Um, over there. Yep. Um, if you know where the Madson's old house is, that's where I live now.

Um, anyway, there's nobody else who lives off 10,500 North. I'm the only only one who lives there. And currently I just go up to the local shooting range to uh when I want to test um loads that I've rounded um rounds that I've loaded up. Um and I was just hoping that I could get permission um I looked up in the city code that uh uh I could get your guys' permission to discharge within city limits. Um and I just want to test velocity like at my house. So, I've got a chronograph. I'd just shoot through the chronograph into, you know, this 30 foot tall burm that's right outside my uh

outside my garage. It's not, you know, and being the only one who actually lives there, you know, I'd have um pretty good there's a pretty good, excuse me, sound barrier. Um obviously physical barrier to stop projectiles from going anywhere, you know, undesirable. Um, so that was my uh Is that the freeway? That the burm is the burm you're talking about is the freeway, correct? Yeah. Right between them. So anyway, I thought it'd just be an email, but then I got email back saying to attend city council, so here I am.

Did you suck it out with us? Can I say that I'm a gun guy and all that and I would love to be able to do that, but I just don't feel like if you can shoot that close to the city limit, somebody's going to want to go a little bit closer and shoot into a hay stack and I'm afraid that it's just going to roll down the hill into a great big cluster. So, I get you. I get you. That's my shot anyway. Well, figured shoot my shot. I'll go out shooting with you if you'd like. You know, you don't know until you ask. But the neat thing about this process is you were able to ask and we were able to run it through a process and and so you just weren't denied.

Yeah. You know, and so I think it's cool that you were able to go through that process at least. Cool that you stuck it out with us tonight. I think shooting into the freeway thing. I mean I I'd like to come shoot. I'm with West. I'd like to but I don't think state. I just Yeah, I don't think state code allows it is all like we just straight up I don't know that we can allow it. Yeah, it's it he fits in the sweet spot between the freeways which kind of makes it wrong thinking about it. Yeah, there's enough gray area on this. My recommendation is it's

the shooting range is pretty close. Save these guys going out cuz somebody's shooting. It is pretty close. Yeah, that's the call that will come in. Okay, council. Well, as much as we'd like to do this and appreciate it, I I say that we deny his application to discharge weapons inside. Can you see our point? We'd love to. Sure. I, you know, but we just can't. Again, I just figured I'd ask, you know, first you can say is no, right? Yeah. Okay. Got a motion by Brett. Second. I'll second. I'll second. Second by Brandon and Wes both. Uh I now I'm just losing track of favor. This isn't an ordinance. All in favor? Not an ordinance.

Oh, this is not an That's right. All in favor say yes. Yes. Yes. Any opposed? I'll buy you a Coke for sticking around. Thank you. And thank you for coming here tonight. Uh sharing this with you know sweet. Yeah. Thank you. I agree. This has been a great process. You have access to You're only one mad. There's a lot of other people mad tonight, too. So, there might be guns discharged in the city. We'll have to. All right. Let's move on to item nine. Uh, consent agenda. I went through that, mayor. Not maybe word for word, but I make a motion that we approve the or not a motion, I just Yeah, you make a motion.

Make a motion that we approve the consent agenda. Okay. Thank you. Can I just make a comment before we move on with that? It's part of this, but um I was looking at some of those and some of the departments are hitting only three or four months into it, they're hitting right at the ceilings of their how much they have for the year. So, some of them are like onetime expenses though that they don't buy as of July the case. So, just have them be aware that Yeah, we keep an eye on that. Yes. Is already at 100%. That's a problem 3 months in. But yeah. Yeah. Motion by West. We have a second. Seconded by Brett. All in favor? I.

Thank you. Uh calendar items. Um we have uh next week, next Tuesday is uh kind of the get together for the employees. Council is invited to come in. We're going to have uh biddles to eat and make it a kind of a fun afternoon. And uh you are all certainly invited to come to that on Tuesday, right? Yes. You and spouses. Employees and spouses. Employees and spouses. And the time from 2 to 2 to 5. All right.

Uh let's see. Is there any unfinished business that we need to address? Council hearing none. Uh let's move on to our council report. Oh yes. Well, you're on holidays. What time? Um, we're doing our sub for Santa 2. Do you want to come up and I think this is important to hear? Yeah. Um, well, you've got holidays up there. We're doing sub for Santa as a police department again this year and we need some families names. So, if you guys have any recommendations like Chief Cordova, I know and kind of the circumstances, I'll select them from there. So, great.

Past officers have been able to donate. Was it a day of sick leave? I think we did up to eight hours and then we use that to purchase the gift. So do that again. Jeez, that's amazing. Good deal. Let us know so we can see names. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Talk to Did you want to do the session thing? Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's let's breeze through this real quick and then um let's see. Hearing no one finished business, let's move on to council reports. Brandon,

I just wanted to since there's potentially only one more meeting, I just want to thank you all for this opportunity I've had and I'm in support of the community's vote and I think that they made great choices. But I'm feel like uh the relationships that I've made and just the friendships and knowledge of you individuals has been nothing but positive. And so I appreciate all that you've done to support me. Um you've all been amazing. So, thank you very much. A lot of respect for you. Thank you.

Um, you know, I just wanted to highlight there's been three or four new businesses on Main Street, the barber shop. We've seen snacks down by Ace Hardware. Um, you know, there's quite a few really cool places coming in and I just want to highlight that that that um we're starting to see some fun food joint, you know, down there. If you haven't been down, go check them out. Um, and so so I'm I'm really excited to to to have that happen. Um, and I think we're just warming up as we start revitalizing uh downtown and and Main Street to seeing that take place. I was curious to see that um a lot of feedback has been that Monton is what we want to be not with not having trees. Um that that's been curious to me and I'm I'm so curious to see the feedback and hear more about that. Um and and make sure that we get Main Street done the way that the residents want. Um and um other info. No, just yeah, thank you for you know your your service too and those others that it's it's a pleasure to work with you guys. Um I'm so grateful for all the time and effort you put in to serving this community. So thank you. I I got one thing and it was it's just a portion of what like these guys have done while and Brett's been in there forever. Wes going with Carl and looking at the water stuff and going over all that and talking about the secondary and all that. There's you guys have done a ton of work to get the secondary and have the people not wave with all their

fingers because of rates hikes. the 50% but the water alone what you've had to go through was I mean you just got to pat yourself on the back to think that all that water that we got is because of you guys. So, I I want to commend you and the same with I mean hopefully we'll have another meeting but publicly and I wish everybody I'd have brought it I was going to bring it up through everybody but now they won't listen but uh it's it's a lot and and I've only been two years and I mean I know I spent all them years in the fire department that I worked my butt off and and you think nobody cares but they do. And if you think of what we wouldn't have if you wouldn't have been there. So, thank you.

Thank you.

Um I am glad this last three months are over and I want to thank the mayor for um running a good campaign. We're friends. We sat back and reminisced over some of the fun things we did in our early adult life and and um so I just the I want to thank the mayor for all that he's done. He's been a wonderful influence and he's been a good friend to us and he's he serves well. And so, um, I would ask people to show show the mayor some grace and some kindness, um, for for what he's done. And Wes, thank you. Brandon, thank you. It's been an honor serving with you guys. Uh, the only thing I got is is Midland the other day sure was nice. That was a beautiful program they put on over there and you know the the start of the memorial that we've got for our officers and the continuation of the veterans deal that's going on there and uh you know the the basic is there when I I think all that cement they put in the ground for them shade things are there you know so Let's finish that project out when whenever you get the chance and all that. But it was really nice to have people not out in the road on the chairs. Maybe I thought maybe we should have had a little less grass and more chairs for that event, didn't we?

Yeah. Yeah, it was. Have to tell everybody to bring lawn chairs on the next one, but 70 people there. Same thing, Ly. It's we've we've had a great friendship and you know we friends before not much friends before but we motorcycled against him 50 years ago but yeah that's right

you know I I know that you have bled Tmont city blood for as long as you've been here and and you have taken a lot of what's the politically correct word you've taken a lot of crap for a lot of things in this city, but um I you have been the most devoted man that I've seen. You know, it's you're you're here 20 30 hours a week all for nothing. You know what I'm or not nothing, but you care about this city and and know that the city cares about you. You might not have won the election, but you the city still cares about you and appreciates everything that you've done. Um, Brandon, thanks for your quick little stay. It's an eye opener, isn't it?

Yes. Yes. You know, I don't know if Sh's here. Christiey's still here. And I seen Brandt. It's an eye openener, people. And you just put your heart into it and make them hard decisions. Tonight wasn't an easy decision, but you know, I I feel like I got to do what's best for the city in the next 20 years because that's why we're at where we're at today is from hard decisions made in the past. So other than that, thanks and we'll one more meeting. I can tr Huh. Maybe maybe we got one more meeting. I don't want to say my true feelings. Oh, all right. I uh I just another meeting then. I got more to say.

I uh just get Carl to be quiet.

I just want to thank everybody who uh ran in the election this year. Uh all of the candidates that we had a lot of people. It's been July till now. So it was holy cow. Um I too want to thank u my opponent Brett. uh he was this has been a it's been a a challenge and everything and it stung. I'm I I admit it stung, but I the people have spoken and and um and I support I support all of you. uh hope hopefully that we um have the opportunity to uh we I hope to be able to still be involved with the city in some fashion and uh whether it's maybe it's pulling weeds out at the cemetery or something like that. But um we uh we just appreciate all of you so much and we appreciate this this community. Uh we we're I think we're just just a fantastic a fantastic community. So with that, uh we have Oh, let's see. Uh Lindsay, do we go into the close session while we're still in the meeting? Okay, so

I'll make a motion we go into close session. Okay, we have a motion. And do I have a motion by Wes, a second? I'll second. Seconded by Bo. And I also second or motion a bathroom break. We'll take a break. Let's take a short break and then we'll come back and Holy cow. We've