City Council - Regular Meeting

declaration of a conflict of interest in tonight's agenda.

Okay. Let's go ahead and go to council reports.

We started there, so we're going to start here.

Awesome.

Actually, you don't want to go first.

I haven't been around very much.

You want me to report for you? Mm-hmm. Anything to report? He has nothing to report.

Okay. All right.

Okay. Good enough. Christine?

Okay. Public Works is great. We had a productive Planning Commission meeting last Tuesday. Our city attorney was there, which made things very nice and calm. He did a great job with the presentation he did. Other than that, if Christine and Jeremy have any more, they can jump all over. You'll hear from us later. We'll love to hear from you. You'll be good here.

Thanks for your help with Parks and Rec, with the events, with the serving. All of that went well. I'm just amazed at the Parks and Rec department.

They do so well. Zach, like, works 24-7, right?

It's a lot. And then Main Street is moving along. There's a lot of stuff to talk about. I think we'll transfer most of that in our meetings.

But I don't think anything significant to report on unless you two have any updates from Kelly this week. She's doing a lot there. Christmas decorations are being talked about and there's a bit.

which I don't know if that's in the agenda. No, it's not.

We've given it to Lindsay, and Kelly's going to work with Lindsay. There's a few back-end things like where are we going to store things, where are we going to do things. So we'd like to get a lot of those things before we move forward. Okay, good. Moving forward, I'm excited about Christmas on Main Street.

Oh, yes. That's true.

think a lot of people are we've seen that our events are being attended so excited about that and then yeah that everything else with the Main Street project is to talk about that's probably it other than you know there I think there's some some

economic development stuff to talk about probably more for a closed session okay tonight just wrap that some of that's those items okay we have the somebody had offered some money for the wine yeah they offered ten thousand dollars so that it was um willard are you

And so either at some point in time, you guys let us know if it's okay for them to record with that.

10,000 is a pretty good price.

Whatever you think. Well, yeah, I mean, it's still not a lot. If you could go to buy a diesel truck, it's more than 10,000 bucks. it's still but it's not going to do any good to say we're on the way out so that's what it is so that's all i get i think the library's doing great we got a report from the senior center they and i think they're doing good so we found it's great

Awesome, thanks Craig.

Thank you everyone. We jump right into our first presentation by the police department on a mural proposal.

Chief.

Cool.

Cynthia, can you pull that up for me please?

All right, so this idea we kind of worked on with the families. It was proposed after the incident occurred And I've been working with Councilman Jacks over there and as far as designing it and working with spouses. So first we'll show the proposed place. This is a side of our building. We put a sign up there, but basically it's just to honor them and also add to the beautification of the city. Let's go ahead and take a look at the first idea. So something along the lines of this, we have a couple other renderings. You want to go to the next one? And there's one more. So slight differences in those. Speaking with family, they love them all. I think Lynette said this was her favorite, and Brittany said the first one was her favorite. But they both agree they'd be happy with any of those. This one feels a little less risky. Yeah, exactly. Like the artist nailing it. Absolutely. So if you want to go back to that. We've been trying to get a lot of bids as far as who has the capacity to pull that off. There's only been one that I think could do it, and he's extremely busy and hard to get a hold of. So we'll go through the artists. Let's go forward to, this is kind of what goes into the work.

You guys are probably more familiar with this since we have all of the city.

But we were looking at durability, timeline, and accuracy. Okay, next slide, please. These are some bids we've gotten. Jordan, their company, Adrenaline Murals, does a lot in Salt Lake, and they are really quick, and they're also willing to give us a discount. They call it a good cause discount, so they also have a pretty impressive portfolio. Let's go through the next slide here. This is why you guys are familiar with this work. in the area uh he's very dedicated and awesome as far as like talking to and i mean he does quality work but for what we're going for it seems a different style than what he usually does but really good guy highly recommend for other jobs we don't go that direction go ahead um these are some of his other artwork portfolios and that's when we've all seen his work around town again fantastic job It doesn't really do it full time, so the turnaround time could be a while. Let's go to next. This is the adrenaline murals. Great customer service. They put a bunch of insurances. They explain the process to me, which is really cool basically they'll use a stencil put it on the wall and then they do like a i don't know if you guys are familiar with those coloring books that have numbers on them they basically will do that so the image is already established and then they have a group of artists working on it together simultaneously so they said with the second one which was the detail one they could do it in two weekends this is some of their work they have some tattoo artists and then they do buildings kind of as well their main thing is buildings they did that's in house downtown that's a huge building uh there's some work in the high school they've done and at the bottom right is a guy in salt lake that has this whole inside of this house it's just like an art museum on all the walls it's really cool that would be my top pick so far okay go ahead um either again the price range turnaround time a little detail as far as like the bid like i said the most fault i think overall from all the bits we've got so far is adrenaline murals good um basically for the council reasons i just want some guidance as far as like how we want to fund this if there's interesting ideas we have the ability to fund this within our budget we do have two allocations down right now we're going through a hiring process they've been empty for a little while now we would have enough in that budget of course you know things are always tight i don't know if there's special funds or other ideas you guys might have or if there's any feedback you have for us as we go through this process on all areas. I think it's just a great way to all agree on that.

I think it's great. And I guess we've done great, but I just think it seems to take a little longer for them. but he's busy too.

Yeah, yeah, I get that completely. And as far as images, what do you guys think? Just so I can get some feedback.

Well, can I throw something in there? Go ahead.

I'm gonna throw a whole big wrench in this, I'm sorry.

Go ahead. I'm big into staying in our lanes. And this, I think, belongs to the Art Council.

So I really do.

And I think we turn over to the Arts Council. They budget it. I think they'll do any of these things you want them to do. but I think we have money built into the Arts Council for a budget for our mural this year. This would be an ideal spot for it. And you get all the backing and everything you need to do that. I would just, I would push back a little bit and get them involved. How often do they meet? They'll meet as often as you need them, but he would get them together pretty quick and get this going again. Yeah, I would use Dr. Zach.

his uh to get some bits get an idea of what that would look like and then he said we do have some funding available for what you're talking about but he was almost looking more towards like private donors or trying to do this ourselves which i i don't really care personally it's all you know city money i just want to be restored right appropriately so i'm happy to bring it to them the biggest thing for me is the family feedback and making sure we're empowering them to you know be an intricate part of the process and i have no doubt the arts council would approve being one of those that you said you wanted no doubt you know um i just want to make sure people

feel like they're involved but um so yeah if you talk to zach and zach sent you a different direction and that's fine yeah that's his yeah that's his call right he just texted me and said we potentially have some funds with the arts council for the future yeah yeah and i'll coordinate with them i think that's what we have like then it becomes the piece of the art and we can make sure it's all part of the whole city of zero program after the arts council makes a decision

can they just run with it at that point or does it still have to come back to us i would love to see the families involved as much as they're willing to be involved and let them push this the direction they would like them and the arts council can pull that weight off of your your shoulders quite different yeah i would love that this is uh outside of my language learning a lot about art but yeah i would love to coordinate with them is there a way to on one and three is three just a closer up of one yeah because you can go back to those if you want to yeah there's different details one has like a flag in the background

Oh, and it's more detailed zoomed up on them. And then the other one is more of a silhouette of two officers. Yeah, I think we could find a middle ground there. And I think that was actually Britain's defect as well. So, but I think it will look really cool and be a great way to honor them.

Cool.

Well, I will contact the honors council and then from there, just so we're clear,

once we iron out the details. Cool. Okay, we'll do that.

And I think we've got you up for another one. Yeah, the crypto kiosk. So I'm not sure if you guys are familiar, but we do have a couple of crypto kiosks in Tremont. Basically, it's like an ATM. for crypto transactions. The way the scam works is someone will get a phone call. We've had at least one that I know of where somebody lost money and they'll say, hey, it's the police department, it's the IRS, it's the FBI, fill out the blank. You have to send this, you have an outstanding warrant, go dead if you don't you're going to be arrested and then really parties are elderly and they'll run and they'll follow the instructions of the person now in the normal one if it's involving banks a lot of times they can freeze those and get the assets back with the cryptocurrency they can't as soon as those transactions are done that one's gone and it's really untraceable so there's really not that i am familiar any legitimate reason why we have that capability for ATMs in our communities. It's more about protecting our folks out here. Other cities that have adopted it is Layton, Keeper City, Garland recently did, and Brigham City. So far, Hillby's been sued for those. As far as our city attorney, I tried to sum up his long email, but he reviewed this. His answer is the new law, HB 72, says that minimum it does not stop us from banning kiosk outright he already drafted the ordinance for us it's kind of based on the garland green one and his risk rate is moderate chance of legal challenge but zero lawsuits anywhere this has passed thus far so based on that i mean my recommendation is we would get rid of them just because we don't want to see more victims out to protect our citizens. Any questions about crypto ETFs?

I know we have two of them. Yeah, I know where one's at, but I don't know where the other one is. I don't know where the other one is.

Yeah, and some of them have been really cooperative in other cities. They just don't . They have, like, a contract with some of these companies. So they have to keep them there, but it's kind of a mess. I just don't see a legitimate reason why they need those.

um yeah so you guys curious to get an ordinance together to well we have the ordinance and dalton has already went through and funded for our city trying to get you guys to

And so when you say there haven't been any lawsuits, they've won.

crypto companies couldn't come after us, or they could, they just haven't been able to win.

He says, based on the law, well, I guess what Dalton was saying, because he said it to me many times, is you can sue anybody for anything. It's all about your likelihood of victory. And right now, there's been zero with any of these other cities. So what gives me confidence is not just our legal look at it, Layton, Eber, Brigham, and Garland's legal have all evaluated it, and what we can do is ASAP save merchants.

Plus you have companies like Coinbase and those other crypto companies that are helping, so like the legal department of Coinbase gets involved in pushing these because they want to just go to the kiosk, they want to meet their stuff. And so there's a lot of crypto, big crypto, companies, crypto brokers, that are also pushing this. Not just because of the, I think their push on it is because of the market share, but it is an absolute vulnerability.

Could we add a clause in this for reviewing it?

Because blockchain and cryptocurrency is changing so fast that I think the technology we want to be especially with you know in Tremont that we have fiber and like we're promoting from an economic development standpoint that we're advancing right that's what we're trying to accomplish so if we could add like a clause that makes us as a council readdress this in the future, a year from now, or six months from now, just so we don't put in an antiquated, or be antiquated, like if new tech comes to the play that makes that irrelevant now, or protects the citizens better, because they're, I mean, new technology means hackers are gonna go take advantage of it quick, and that's what they're doing right now. So they'll start closing those holes, and I just don't wanna block new tech.

yeah and so i'm hearing you correctly about you're saying that something to counsel to re-review and your reevaluate because you're about to review it the biggest risk to this is not being able to block those funds to get them back to our victims if we had a way to do that i wouldn't bring this to you right but that could change in here so i think that's a great thing the only problem with that is triggering that

review it seems to me that yeah if it comes up and it's something we need to readdress or we just readdress it automatically i mean if in a year from now we're finding that this is going to go back over we just bring the origins we put this protection in place and then

and let them solicit the changeable importance in the future.

However we administratively handle it, as long as we build new innovation.

For your awareness, in the ordinance, it specifically doesn't hamper anybody's ability to buy, trade, or be involved in crypto. It specifically targets those ATMs.

So, yeah, I think Brett's idea is great.

That way it doesn't front us into being something and God forbid we lose track and we're not following our own role. I like the idea of just reassess. You guys can make this an ordinance and you can change it in six months if you want to have that ability. So just for the sake of what we're dealing with right now, the police side, it would be helpful to not have to worry about this because there's a lot of really innocent, good people who have taken advantage of losing everything, so.

I think this is a great idea, personally. I got in on what was called by someone. There's a warrant for your arrest. I'm not going into details because I'm pretty much not very nice on them when it comes to those. But they said, I can tell you the machine you can go to in your own town, pay this, and call them in. It's okay. But older people cannot do it like this.

I know my neighbor talked to me about this about eight months ago. She had a disturbing phone call. Anything we can do to protect our seniors?

i think it's a great thing yeah i laid my mom and lost two million dollars their citizens have been victimized with two million dollars just for this scam so i don't want us to be a stat like that so i'm like man we're behind the ball and me and the mayor talk about this Gosh, it seems like forever ago now, but I think it's a good move with the ability to change .

Thank you. Thank you, council.

Okay, next we have financial consulting with professional service agreement.

So as you all know, we have hired a full-time finance director, so this current agreement we have in place doesn't really make sense anymore.

Chris proposed some

language changes we proposed some changes back to him he came back to us and said no i'm not doing it so the problem we run into is what we really need someone to do is prepare our audited financial statement and curtis specifically said you know he doesn't want it so why are we that's we brought this to you but then the more we've talked about it we can go out to rfp see if there's another firm that wants to occur to put in on that but it's going to specifically say in that rfp that what we need is the financial statement off the financial statements at least for a year yeah yeah i would like to have somebody at least for this first year now oh yes so that's where we're at this was a modification to the agreement we currently have in place um i think our suggestion would be to go to rfp if he's not willing to provide it but yeah and then he can always put in for the rfp so when you come to conversation with him uh what was his pay scale did he want more or are we about this well yeah so i think before it was a just a strict dollar out of like 25 grand we see them each year is that right

but he did tell me, he's like, I'm going to, so this would be an hour of fee, not that set 25 grand as we use him, or when they're at set dollar value.

It was roughly about 140 before, and now it's 240.

But it would be on just an added basis what we call them. There's no lump sum payment anymore.

But not doing the audits. He doesn't want to get the audits either way. He said something about moving away from a fixed space. agreement and just kind of wanted to do more consulting something to that effect is that okay and they don't need somebody else to do the actual work that's the nature of consulting

So we don't need a consultant, we need somebody to do the work. If you guys wanna do it, Thanks for everything, Pastor. We've got multiple CKs. Is there any that do another city that does that? I don't know. There's several other. Especially in the city.

So the resolution asked here is

Do we move forward with the agreement with Curtis or do we go back and put on RFP and come back with a different resolution? Is that what's before us?

Yes, there's a lot of them. So would we need him for consulting on other things? I don't think so. Whoever we hire, but then we have a list in the RFP of what we need them to do. And it would be equal consulting, but what else do we need to do? That one is so much. That's the one thing. Like I said, he's not out. He can put in if he wants, but that's .

We've been with Chris for a long time. And that's what I was just gonna say. I think there's a lot of value.

institutional knowledge and how do we make sure that we're protecting them.

Yeah.

But at the same time, I know I'm speaking from up here while I go on the phone, but I think it's a mistake to be held hostage by that institutional knowledge.

There's just an opportunity cost that comes without it though, is the thing. So as long as we're factoring that in.

So I'd be happy to reach out to him and say, we're gonna put it out there.

He'd be happy to put in a proposal.

These are the things we absolutely need. Could we invite him to reconsider the audited financials?

I think that phone call would be the- Yeah, that's, yeah.

that okay so we did but yeah yeah so you didn't want to do it put it in and then he took it back out and said no thank you but i could ask him again and say here's the options here so you've already had an answer and he yeah we said no this language back with changes and it included doing the audit the audit binder he puts together every year and that's what we took back out and said he's not interested in financial anymore so it sounds like we may have to just

And he may be looking to go a different direction in his career as well, and that's fine.

You do something so long and you're just like, I did it.

Any other questions for him?

No. Okay, thank you.

councilman jacks has put together some thoughts on our sorts of astrata day oh well it's a home screen would you like me to say something so councilman jackson's put together a really neat concept and idea about recognizing the day that this horrible event happened in our community on august 17th we've gone back and forth on this a little bit on what that recognition should look like what we should do he's been working with sourcing and stratas and and hand in hand with what they feel should be done as well. And they have felt that they would just as soon have, it'd be a little bit more low key, a little bit different. So from what I understand, we would like to designate August 17th as Sorts and Estrada day in Tremont City and honor them with a moment of silence.

I mean, that's great. And I love involving the family in this decision rather than us running with it, doing our thoughts and what we want. This is what they want. I'm all for it.

Well, it's like a

had somebody make a suggestion. And I said, nah, you don't understand. On the waste and fire side, it's not the highway we want.

It's the families make the call and we carry it out. Whether we think it should be something different or anything like that, they call the shots and we carry it out.

And that's just the way it is. Do they want it to be that day? I'm just throwing that up. That's a shitty day. Yeah, it is. I just wondered about it being that day.

This is just for the day to be recognized. We're doing something on a different day and even that day. we're everybody's doing something a little different and have anybody that from police or fire that wants to go over to our house you know or get this food we can just kind of do whatever we whatever we do but like this year we don't well it's it's been a lot and i think the families get through yeah it's been great but i think they're like

i don't get it i can get it that they're like hey we give us some space we want to this is just the this is just the does me all day but none of this won't get around people right right so kind of a moment of silence at home and whatnot so they'll can they put this like on the website so that people know that this is a moment of silence Oh, I like the flags.

Our city, the police.

And that's a great idea.

Was there a specific time we wanted you to do that?

So, unfortunately, I haven't been through this multiple times before. Every year is kind of a different milestone. So there's a different feeling every year. And years two and three and five and ten are going to be you're going to be different. The first year is the hardest. Second year they made, I mean, I think even just leading it up to the discretion of the chief who's going to have the ultimately the pulse of the department and the families and everything like that. And, you know, if it ends up being something where we do something in the public, at the park, and stuff like that. So I think locking it down to a, the time or just move inside because it's going to vary over the over the years so even if we even if we change that part to be you know the memorial celebration i can't even think of what the word would be uh it does the vigilance you will on each each year maintain according to the description of the chief yeah that would be perfect so so and this year it will be ready with change right yeah and so originally it was brought up hey let's fire up the old sirens and uh i was talking to bridging and she goes do you know how many upset moms you're gonna have and i'm like what she goes think about it all those moms that just put those little kids to bed and also that thing cranks off i was like of course i know and i was like i had to get up and even if they canceled me you had to come here and reset did you really somebody So we don't have another meeting between now and then, do we?

So we'll need to make sure that if it passes in our next session that we get this on the calendar. and recognize that data as such.

Okay, thank you so much.

Okay, next is Ordinance 2615, the final question, term limits.

Okay, simply enough, I believe I've taken the ordinance back to draft, and from our books specifically, specifically at the term limit itself, we've considered one year, two year, three year, four year, for recommendation from the council, we've got three years, as the Colonel of the state spoke with new language specifying term limit. The suggested language regarding alternates included language about having the MPI members The kind of defacto alternate members are extremely recommended against that. There's training hours that alternate members need to keep their status as alternate members. And then Delton looked closer at the state rules regarding planning commission and open meetings and just made some recommendations based on that. So we'd love to really reach back to you before we move on. Okay. resource has been created to show the term limits when they're ending and how this ordinance would adjust the ending of the term limits of current serving Planning Commission members and alternates. And I'm happy to pass these around.

I need to have some personal information, so please don't let these out. like email addresses what they need to stay private I think this is a list you guys ask for last night so you can have an information so expire that

will be up according to this.

They'll be the next one. If they're expired on their, then their term's over.

So what's the process if they want to re-up or if they do re-up? They would fill out an application. We have an application.

Yeah, we have an application.

Ideally get them, get all the candidates to one,

that's right yeah and when i spoke with the attorney on this he did say we really need to limit it to a two-term limit of two terms at the most he says they get someone else in the way it was set up the alternates they didn't have an expiration date and he didn't like that and he said we needed to clean that up and so this is cleaning things up and so the process uh applicants would apply and then and then how what is the process of we interview them i'll interview them and anyone else christine jeremy last time the mayor said in on the interviews um and then we just visit with them see what they want to do, what they are willing to do, and if they're even interested in what their thoughts are. What I would like to see is, with Jeremy and Christine on board, they're changing things the way that it should be run. They're stringlining and making it easier, but yet it's, trying to choose my words, carefully here making things easier in the long run and i feel like if we get the right people our planning commission is going to help those two in their job that's what i was going to interject like they would they would fill out an application they do and we would process the application

But as far as our staff goes, the decision is the council. And I think that the interview should help the council. I do not feel like we as staff should be, that could be, that's not, that's not our, that's not our. That's good, the mayor was really good. Yeah, our lane is not to decide. Our job is to work with whoever the council decides

put on the planning commission and so then you decided the council who would be there and that it's an appointment by you yes yes and i served on that role for 12 years and so i i would interview i would come back and i would present the name to the council and say this is who i recommend and they would either say yes or no and then we would go back and find someone else and that process is explained very well so so i have just a question on that

Is that something you can do? I mean, we don't have any city council, right? We don't have it.

I mean, we don't have it. President, the United States only have it. Did you build term limits into this comment?

No, they already exist in the current code. Okay. So then we're clarifying the end of term limits.

So they have two years, but it doesn't say anything about renewal. Three years. Three years, but the old code is two years. No, it's different.

So according to this ordinance, every three years they could re-up. But we need to make sure that we go through the proper process of re-upping, which is going through- The interview process again. The interview process, bringing it back to the council, and the council saying, yes, we can re-up this person. That step was bypassed quite often. Yeah, we don't want to just deride it.

Right.

Does that answer your question? So if that's it, then great. I just can't throw something in.

right so i guess it'd be up to you guys to recommend if you wanted to move forward with that with term limits then you would let them know because you have not built the two terms into this habit but you can address it with that correction correct so yeah if that's something you wanted to do then you could suggest that when you make the motion but it's not in there now no this is the first one here you go but to me you still i'm not saying we need it or not needed i'm just thinking it ought to be legal okay

One consideration is that there are code standards for the Planning Commission and state statute. There's also customary planning commissions across the state that have seen our bylaws for individual Planning Commissions. And that's where you get really specific in the Planning Commission. They usually adopt their own bylaws and can write it. It should be vetted by an attorney. So it works with the state statute, but we don't have guidelines like that. So we've brought code before you. I think this gets us into a better place. but for every other question and how the planning commission should give it themselves, we're aiming to bring a draft of planning commission bylaws to that body. That should, I mean, they have to be pretty much citizens and all that stuff.

But on the things that matter, it's a trying to encode.

And do those that are in the expired status,

notification they will be I would I have a letter that I have comprised and I would be sending it to them but I'm also going to call them I'm not just going to let them get a letter in the mail as a shock I will call them and just let them know that we're going to be moving in a different direction thank you for your service we'll talk more in a closed session well it's still going to be your time you're just

and they read that part of the code that that was that was very clear in that process please express gratitude for years of service for sure yeah i think it would be limited amount of people that ever even step foot in a room like this and then funnel that down to people that volunteer

And we're fortunate now because we have people that are wanting to come and do this now. 12 years ago, it was hard to find people to come and serve. But we have a community now that's really wanting to get involved. So this is a major political change. It really is. But we'll bring this up for further discussion later on in our main session.

can okay yeah next one uh is the uh fencing protest amendment my commission heard this on january july 14th 2026 so this goes through actually several sections of the uh it's called the general fencing provisions um we just saw some inconsistency inconsistencies and stuff and just wanted to help make these guidelines more clear And so if you have the staff report, I'll go through what the changes are. First one is the definition. So within the general fencing provisions, it talks about site obscuring fencing and non-site obscuring fencing. But when you call something out in standards, you always want to have a definition to pair with that's good code writing. So we are... adding definitions to bolster that part of the code. And then in the general funding provisions, subsection A, property line installation standards clarified. amendment finds language related to fencing placements emphasize installation room relative to verified property boundaries additional language requires property owner responsibility for boundary verification allows for survey confirmation where property lines are unclear are uncertain prior to installation um in short uh it's on the property owner to get a survey themselves if they have any questions about whether the property You can rely on survey monuments and pins, but if there's any question, hire a professional. Before it was mandated and now it's suggested. Subsection B, corner lots and clear vision triangles. Clarify the amendment removes references to double frontage lots. It's strange because in the definitions, there's already a definition for corner lots, so we're just kind of cleaning it up, making it consistent. Subsection E is easement on a conflict of clarification. This amendment has language clarifying that where a conflict exists with a reported utility easement, the greater easement with shall apply to reserve utility access and legal rights in play. And that's just kind of complicated as it is. Subsection F, utility access and fencing modifications clarified. The amendment clarifies that fencing within utility easements may, actually we've looked at this language Let me describe the change, and I get to think for a moment. Our adulting looked at this section, specifically this suggestion of the county commission in the draft form didn't go over well, and so we just looked at it to say that in utility easements, specifically on side and rear yards, that, help me out, Christine.

That, just read the code. Whether a fence shall be installed within the across easement depends on specific terms of the easement and must be determined by case by case scenario. They were wanting, they didn't want to have put a blanket, you can or can't put a fence in an easement. And so this gives the city the ability to take case by case. The city will neither approve nor deny a fence based solely on its location within an easement and the issue of a permit does not constitute the determination that the fence is permitted The city does not interpret, enforce, or provide legal opinions regarding easement rights other than an easement owned or controlled by the city. Property owners are responsible for determining whether the proposed fence is allowed and should consult legal counsel if they have questions regarding their rights or obligations. Easements are not always within the control of the city because sometimes they're with another utility company and they're not always, they might be right, they're just different types of easements. So this gives the city the ability to do a case-by-case blanket statement if you can or can't.

What would that case by case look like?

It would be like, what if there's a main water line underneath an easement and if they put a fence post, a pump that goes in the main water line, the city has the power to say, no, you can't put a fence there because you will hit the city's main water line. Or say like there's just a Ethernet cord going through there, which can easily be moved off because it's this thin. the city might say, yes, you can put that, or there's nothing there. Sometimes there's easements that have no utilities in them. They're just for future growth, and after everything's been developed, they can decide, oh, there's no future growth going there, so you are more than welcome to put a fence up there. So then it just gives the city case-by-case whether they can approve a fence or they cannot approve a fence.

Would that be done through, Greg, I guess something more technical?

it's usually through drc um like it would be when they come to the drc and when they um i guess the fencing permit would be through greg and some of this will be with like kirk yeah yeah it would it would fall under whenever there's a like it depends on when the fence is being put in if it's being put in like during a site plan application then it would come before drc if it's being put in after the home's been constructed then it would just go to the fencing permit would be that would go to kirk and then

and great enforcement yeah well he's in quote enforcement yeah yeah okay so is this retroactive i mean if you already have a fence up do we have to go oh i'm not moving like this no this is just for new builds this is for new builds okay i got lucky i will reach out to me and ask you that so i'm just clarifying yeah except it's got christy bogart right in there

To finish up, subsection I, the rest of the materials, it calls out very specifically that that's what the city wants. I don't know if that's what the city wants. Building code specifies specific materials based on their durability and other things like that. Subsection K talks about private covenants clarified. This amendment replaces broad language regarding CCRs with neutral language, directing property owners to review political reporting covenants and private agreements prior to that's installation.

the planning commission discussed this and yes and they they asked us to specifically have the attorney look at the section regarding the easements because we had we had some language in there where it said that the city shall not replace the fencing and they didn't like that which we understand and so we we went we talked about that with Dalton a lot. We took that language out. And so then it just gives everybody, the city the case by case. Like if they do tariff offense case by case, they could work with the property and owner on what's the best resolved issue.

Is there any sort of provision in that case by case that we're operating under the same general principles in that case by case? Yes.

okay it's case by case but we're not saying that we would have to have reasonable cause to deny events okay yeah we were not going to be able to just say hey i don't like you we're not going to like the defense the city would have to have a reasonable cause the reasonable cause would be if you have a bottom line

So with those changes, this one before the Planning Commission, they recommend? Yes.

Yeah, because we've made the changes that we want.

Thank you. It was a 4-0 over. Thank you. With the subdivision that we set up, but 3-4-0. Great.

Okay, now we have a presentation by Sony.

Okay. I will be quick because I know you're busy and lots to do, but I wanted to start off and tell you I'm super excited. We're two months going. I actually put the kind bars and the good bars out there because I think we have a kind city and a good city. Anyway, and I want to start doing quarterly updates to the community. And this is going to be kind of like what I would do at a quarterly update for you guys. I went ahead and I put together your system.

See, I won't get my password right.

Okay, so I wanted to do, I went ahead and got your cheat sheets done. And we'll just go over those real fast. I'm not going to go over all of them. But here is, I've got the first one that I like. is this one right here. This is the, I gotta get my mouse out. Okay, this one right here, this one should hopefully help you. This is the flow chart that you wanted. It's the zoning districts cheat sheet. And it has all your zoning codes up at the top. so you've got like your rural residential and then i kind of put a little detail on them even even to let you know like r110 that's your two months typical neighborhood it's a good balance of density and infrastructure minimum law is ten thousand square foot and then above it is more rural and below it and heightens uh rm16 if you notice so these are our current strict zonings if you want any single family residence that's not within one of those then you have to obtain it they've had even attained by an overlay or um so And then here's our commercial districts, here's our industrial districts, and then our specialized zones. I put on there the PC Plan Community Zone, if approved, and I'll make updates when that comes, because that's going to be the tool that we'll be using to have the overlays as we move forward, okay? You can go ahead and read through. Here's the legislative rezoning process. Here is it simplified. And then I actually have on your other sheet, there's a rezone application process that you can read at home and do homework if you want, but this is the process that somebody, when they come in, this is the steps that they'll have to take. And then also, I've also put on there the annexation process too. So you've got the rezone process, annexation process, but you've got the cheat sheet so that you've got the shortened version right there. Then I also included, this is something that I felt was Something good to have this is this will be updated as we update our current general plan that, according to our current land use plan. This is a summary of every section that we have they have goals in the general in the land use plan, and these are the first the landscape uses only the first four those are actually the first four goals that they when they took. and interviewed our residents. This is the residents' feedback of what they wanted Tremont to look like in land use, in parks and trails, environment, downtown, housing, and economic development. The reserve agriculture character was the first one, concentrate development in existing urban areas along our rural routes. And that's just a good planning principle. Ensure compatibility of adjacent land uses. That keeps you from spot zoning with appropriate buffers. Encourage street trees, quality architecture, variety housing, and variety housing types. And then it goes on to parks and trails and environment and downtown. And these are things that were pulled straight from our general plan. I did not full make these up. These are things that I pulled right from our land use plan. Just put them on here for a summary. This will change and be updated as we update our general plan, which I just put an RFP out I just submitted it all to the state, and I'm really excited about that. And then I also included a future land use plan in there for you, and a current zoning map, just for your reference. And I don't have a site of that. So those are those things that I went with you on that. And then I have a little... Oh, I had it pulled up. And I'm just gonna go through this really fast. I won't go through all the slides. Okay, when I do have the, oh, it's just over there, okay. When we get together with the community, I would really like, I've kind of taken a snapshot. And these are, I don't think they're good. I want to let the council know that we actually are doing really, really well with our affordable housing. I'm going to actually go over to something right here and show you this real fast. We got this letter from the state. And this is something is the mayor and city council is from the governor's office of economic development and housing and community development. We have to turn in papers and we have to turn in reports on what kind of housing we have coming into Tremont. So that we're, we're staying up to our, our housing. And it just says that, um, there was a little pause, but in 2025, the housing community division reviewed our report and found that the submitted report complied with the requirements set forth in section 10. which is the state code for affordable housing. So I just wanted to let you know that we're doing really good there. And then to further that information, I will go back to here. Right now, for the context of what these next slides, is I couldn't really define what affordable housing is because I don't have a price tag. But because of Tremont's general land use plan, what does affordable housing look like in Tremont? Because we want to preserve our agricultural roots. I took 8,000 square feet or lower. Actually, I think it's 6,000 square feet or lower per lot. I'll show you the charts on them. And I said that is affordable housing. I think it might be 8,000 square feet. It's 8,000 square feet or lower. Okay, so these are some good planning principles. One, grow where infrastructure allows. Concentrate higher density areas that preserve rural and agricultural character, which is something that we want. That's the general plan's top priority. Number three, match housing to range of needs. A healthy city offers starter homes, move-up homes, and larger lots, not just one price point. and then a balanced growth with fiscal health. Make sure that we're growing with our fire and our police and our public works as well. So this kind of takes all those into consideration. This is kind of a fun chart. This is where I took, and I probably will make you another cheat sheet on this, because there's a whole, after something goes through the legislative process, there's a whole other process that goes through it. And I will get you guys, if you want to know and geek out with me on how that all works, I would love to tell you about preliminary flats, site plans, and all those different administrative. But there's a little bit, when an application is in the land use department, it goes through a legislative process. It has to go through a legislative process. It gets the required entitlements. And then it goes through what's called a preliminary flat phase. And once a preliminary flat is approved, they are vested for certain amounts of lots. And then there's kind of a period between preliminary plot and between building permits, where the city negotiates and talks about infrastructure, talks about lots of different things. So I pulled up eight, and they're the only eight I could find of residential, and we're gonna get to commercial in a little bit, residential neighborhoods, projects and those are the ones that i can come up with and this is what is in that little period so these this is data pulled from not from like the buchanan states that we just rezoned that they haven't um they haven't been approved from their culinary flat but we did rezone them they've gone through the legislative process to get their entitlements but they haven't got their culinary platform so there's still some that aren't in this database these all have the culinary flats but they're not received their building permits so it's kind of this is future growth this is what's been improved this is what's coming it hasn't started building yet so we've got out of out of that we've got 240 apartments and these are the 240 apartments 460 townhouses 216 um r1 through r7 um uh single family homes and then two r18 single family homes and you'll notice those are those are what anything that is not r18 All those three, the three blue ones, those were all obtained through an overlay. That's how those were obtained was through an overlay. And then all the other ones are your regular zoning. So we've got 194 units. A lot of that's going to be in Rivers Edge. They have a lot of good size. That's a good size home. And then when it comes to your other, the higher ends, and you're not going to have the equal amount. And we understand that cities aren't going to grow equally. And you don't, as a planning, as a city council, I hope that you understand that We are going to have higher affordable housing in, but we want to kind of do it proportionately so that we can support this police and fire, okay? Am I going too fast? So here's, this is just another chart of the same thing. The gap is more preserving rural roots at the top. This is where we're more thin, is the larger zone blocks, okay? And we've talked about this. This is what I'm excited about too. This is something I'm gonna talk about a lot. This is commercial and retail. We have three site plan applications that we are currently under review. And it totals over almost 100 acres of new commercial and residential. Super excited about these. We are working super hard so that we have the sewer. I'm gonna bring up the sewer on this because that is a huge commercial and retail play a big toll on our sewer. So I am currently putting together been working with Gordon the director a contract that him and our public works are and I'm hoping by the next council meeting to bring that forward so that we can get on the CIB funds because if we can get that that if we can get an emergency status and get that funding within the next six months that will be a huge game changer and come spring when these commercial sites want to break ground we will have the sewer for them and so that is helping with that marriage or it is gorgeous yes yeah well as long as it's that's something that we will have to i have i have references i just was asked for references i would love if you guys want to help me check with references or if paul talk to me because it's a council decision but i'm checking right now doing kind of a background check and checking his references and trying to make sure that when i bring it to the council you have some background based on what on what he what he's he's done in the past okay yeah

you're welcome i try to be efficient with the with the textiles okay um okay so if we've got we've got that many that many homes coming in under eight different projects if we're gonna keep our even just on the on the police side things not even on the fire side that's seven new officer allocations that we're going to need on the police side for those developments.

I'm writing my paper, my pen down. I already know where your brain's going. So kind of take that into consideration of how much police are going to need for that, huh? Yeah.

So we're going to need seven there and on the fire side, I mean. I think that's just a slipper slope to try that.

yeah i mean i i think we'll just let the good people move in they don't they don't want to start firing before they're gone also we have to realize that they don't have any building permits yet so it might take a while like river edge edge isn't going to have all of those 200 houses all at once so but but it's good for information for you so that as you're improving things we can see how we're growing as a community. This is just for information so that you kind of know where we are. You don't want to know where we are. So as we're making things and moving forward so that, you know, we'll grow the way that you guys grow and as things come to you. So that's all. Does that answer your question though?

I just want to make sure that when we're talking these numbers and everything that we're not just saying, you know, we're going to try and keep up on public safety, that we're actually doing it.

Yeah, that's why we're having an impact fee reassessment so that when we get the impact period that was in, that that will help with that.

We've had some stuff happen here even within the last few weeks that doesn't happen here. It's starting to happen once it starts, It doesn't stop.

And I think the thing that's important to realize, these that have happened have happened. This is done. These are coming. And we did not prepare for the police and the fire, and they will start trying. So what we're looking for in the future as we move forward with this new code and what we're doing is we're preparing for anything new starting to come in. We can start to pay for that. We're still going to have to come up with a way to find these officers and these farmers.

Yeah, because at this point, legally, as long as it's within the legislative process, they have the rights to develop the properties that they- But that's why I'm so excited about this business.

100 acres, I don't think we have them. I didn't do the fact check, so I didn't bring it up here. But I was interested to see, and I might come back next time and say, how much commercial do we really have already built out? I don't think we have 100 acres already built out. the aid bridge on just these three sites, and I was like, this is good, this will be good. So I'm hoping, now one of the sites is fairly large because it's more of an industrial, but it'll still bring jobs, and it'll be good jobs. Okay, any other questions on that? Let me see. I think I just have one, thank you. Okay, this is just my summary. This is where we go from here, number one, keep density in the urban core, and this is just good planning principles, number two, Grow the larger lot pipeline. If you grow the larger lot pipeline, we don't have, and actually those 15 lots are actually not in that pipeline anymore. They just went through the approval process today. They almost got almost everything to go forward with the, we have one development bringing in R1-12. Anyway, so grow the larger lot pipeline. Three, watch the sewer capacity closely. That's what we're doing. And four, keep pursuing commercial growth. That's kind of where we are as a planning department. And that's just my presentation. Do you have any questions?

I have one question. When you go through this process, and I know I've talked to you about it before, is there a point where you bring in, like, the police department? Do we have... We do.

There's an internal review. If you go back to the worksheet, the cheat sheets. Yes. Let me see. Where did I put them? I'm trying to remember where I...

I think that's key. When you go back here, if you go over to...

the more detailed rezone application process. There's an administrative review, no, internal department and staff review. The internal department planning works, that's how we get our information for our staff reports. And so we'll contact the fire, we've had the fire chief on a lot of them. We need to include the police chief more, but we definitely, that's where we, we work out in Section 5. That's our internal departments and staff review. And then we'll bring up in the staff report, this is what fire said, this is what police said, this is what they said. So that's building the process.

Thank you. I believe also as you build out civic review and get it going, it will automatically hit those departments. Oh, they're already, yeah.

We actually have a civic review. Jeremy was at this when we interviewed. He said he knew how to do civic review. I'm like, sign on. Because it's been invaluable. It's been awesome. But we have an application comes in, and when the application comes in, we have to go through a preview to make sure it's complete. Once we hit that preview, then we actually have a timeline where we have an internal review that we do. And whatever application it hits, we have an engineering button, a public works button, a fire button, and to make sure all those departments, it'll give them an email. so that they can they can look and say oh here's an application coming in and they have the opportunity to write notes and sometimes we'll reach out to them if they get busy a lot of times higher and we need to include include police a little bit more but we don't want to bottom down so we're trying to find that that happy medium of like not giving too much busy work yes yes yeah Yeah, we don't want to bog them down. So a lot of times in the fleet with the fire and police, we would reach out to them if we're like, we foresee there might be some more expertise we need with them because they don't need to know setbacks. Well, setbacks are actually really important with fire code, but when it comes to different things like that.

Scott, I'm sorry to get them wrong, but on the police side, I think fire's got more of an interest on can they get the apparatus down the road? Yes. Because it's a big... and we've talked about the their capacity their their to get above houses and above the fire like i've learned a lot it's been on the on the police side it it comes down to the the higher the density the more of the impact on the police just from the nature of living on top of the line

what's up that's true with the fire department oh yeah the population because the amount of transfers we're doing on the hospital have skyrocketed because our population has skyrocketed and we haven't kept up with that so there's the hardest part of budgeting because yeah you can get all that but if there's still no

other than impact users really don't know we're gonna have seven more guys or that's why we're that's why i'm trying our number one we're trying to get on that commercial yeah and then we're allocating new property tax revenue from those lots towards those services

And you still do need residential because it will extend to tax base, but it's just doing it at the right percentages. And you have to know what percentages that we are right now so that we know what percentages do we need. We need more growth, but where do we need it? Okay, and then that's kind of my idea to kind of do something like this quarterly for the public. And if you ever have any questions, just come and stop and talk to us. This is great. Thanks. If you want me to make it bigger, I can. Are there any known conflicts? Are there known what? Are there any known conflicts between these four core land use and zoning objectives in our current land use plan? No, they'll come straight from our land use plan.

What I'm saying is are there known areas where they conflict against what we're trying to do?

Oh, right now? Yeah. If so, I would assume planning committee meeting with city council, hey, this conflicts, we'd like to . Yeah, and that would be reflected in our staff report. When we do a staff report, we compare it. And so you'll see that in the staff report if it conflicts. Okay?

Thank you. We're gonna take 15 minutes to go over hopefully the last time we talked about a closed session until 5 minutes to 7. And so in the closed session, we'll need to talk about some of the economic development and some what?

We'll do that just before we go into closed session.

So I've gone through and just summarized all that we've done over the past year and a half now for this, and it comes down to a couple of quick key questions I'd like to ask you, and then we can divide this up. There are two versions of our vision. One is a refined strategic one, and one is our posted mission vision statement. The question would be, do we want to go with, I say we just stay across the board with our mission vision, not try to create anything new. It's so much easier, so much more simple, and that's what we are. Okay. Okay, good. In the pillars, I don't know if the whole connection came to that. It does. It really does. Okay, the first one for the council, this question. we have currently 15 goals okay the question is is that too many do we carry these this many goals at once or narrow some of the goals down a lot of the goals are already going and quite honestly quite one of them is our website almost done and so we're getting we've got a lot of the goals can i hurry and just give you

I know you're like, move on, move on.

It's going to be nice when it's up to review.

We're going to move it live on August 15th. I know I said it around the 1st, but it's going to be on a Saturday, August 15th. So on the 17th, people can just have fun. But that's what it's going to be like. And you saved the city $70,000. Yeah, it's been amazing. The money we've saved from doing this has been awesome. So as I look at these goals, these are kind of for the next year to two years. And the 15 goals, different departments are leads on them. So it's not like they're carrying all 15, they're just carrying one or two. and then we on our on the website we can bring up the core connection we can look at the goals and see how we're doing and if we're falling behind or ahead or whatever you can look at it at any time and then city council meeting whatever you can ask you know oh i know some way behind on this what's up with that and and so um i'm comfortable moving on with the 15 if you guys are comfortable with that I know it's a lot, but it's spread out pretty well.

And every time I went to trim, they all seemed attunable to me. So I didn't feel like I should trim anyone because they all seemed reasonable.

okay council decision the public transparency dashboard is a cousin of the internal wide goals dashboard that planned the division so um do we want to keep the public transparency dashboard and this dashboard together in one or do we want to have right now we have just going and then we have a transparency one where people can go in and see things going on on a transparent on transparency i talked today with citizenportal.ai we're going to be working together teaming up with some things that We'll be able to compare our city to other cities that Brent brought up and be able to see how we're doing transparency-wise. And that would really fit quite easily on our main dashboard, you know, instead of having to go two separate places. So sometimes it feels like it's best just to have everything in one spot.

I'll be honest with you, on this, I'm more curious what they feel. I think that citizen portal is especially when they get it all built out and the scores and all that, all those algorithms and stuff. Whether it's good or bad for us, the score is going to be what the score is and it gives us something to work towards. But when it comes to transparency, I don't want to self-govern on transparency.

word transparency looks like something's shady and we're right right just we're just talking about the information yeah you know yes open it up and let's see yeah our open book policy well and what i found is the more open you are with just the facts and the data this is why we make the decision it usually results yeah if you want to see how the hot dog gets made come on in yeah here's the fact

Okay, here's one of the last highlighted yellow items that I wanted to discuss with you Council decision needed on adopting the dignity index accountability. We already did this. Okay, however How do we can we are you okay if we build this into our departments In other words, I think as part of our evaluation processes and everything like that, I think as managers and employees and everything should have a right to get in and score how they feel they're being treated in the city as what we're doing it with our citizens. And so I don't know why we couldn't do it with employees as well. And we could build a system in that lets, like if Lindsay's sitting down and meeting with one of her employees, they should she should somehow she should she should know how they don't feel like it's like a 360 though yeah yeah i mean not not necessarily but well brett doesn't like me but as a whole the city council thinks i'm a three you know what i mean well that that helps me to know oh okay well it looks like i can work on things i would just you know so let me just caution on how that's there's a concept wise it's an awesome concept

the way and timing that it gets deployed can be weaponized. Like, West Jordan decided that this was the way to go right before the promotion came. And it was, I mean, you want to talk about stepping into the sausage factory. I mean, guys that nobody had a problem with, all of a sudden they're getting dinged on stupid stuff because the incoming California chief decided that that score was going to be part of the promotion matrix. And so good concept, good thought, horrible execution, and it created like decades old problems.

So what would that cadence be? Would it be like a quarterly or something like that?

Well, they were set up to be annually, like an annual 360 eval, but I would keep it away from any evaluation. well from evaluations from like races i mean just making it in the most benign time period possible like where there's and and doing it in a way where there's what we want to solicit is honest feedback right and so making it and not tying it to anything

we don't tie it to anything promotional or anything like that well and what we would do on this is if we was bored with this is we would come up with something given the department managers they go back they discuss it with their staff and come back and say this is how we think this can be best applied and we want it to be a growing tool not not like previous employer there's a survey every year and they try to explain who it is but it seems like the immediate supervisor here

Yeah, and it's the company they're POed about, but they don't. And then as I was a manager, then the company wants me to address on this. Well, if this didn't work, if Lindsay or the managers find out somebody has a problem with somebody, we ought to just somehow get it to us and say, hey,

don't so you don't worry we even have to be careful and we have to be careful on that too because like if like say somebody in the police department told me that you know scott or gil that was yeah but if if there was something that they did that would be that could amount to some sort of discipline. I imagine we have an appeal court, right, that the council is a part of that appeal. If we now take that on, we're now conflicting ourselves out of the disciplinary field. And so from a council standpoint, in something like this, if problems come up, we've just gotta go

when's your court that's what i do we need to stay out of their way more than yeah they shouldn't have they shouldn't think city council shouldn't think their person think that i don't like him or whatever i should be shouldn't be in their business that much well kind of at any rate whether it's christy or bo or anybody that's their boss they have bosses and we're not even

It's really hard to programatize culture. If you want to see the results of an organization, look at the principles they believe in. It's really more about us fostering the principles that we want, and the results will happen themselves. One of my favorite quotes is, if you want to build a ship, don't drum up tools and put in rules and assign tasks. Rather, teach them to long for the immensity of the sea. You know, so I think if we have core issues, we need to change the lens through which our people look, and the results will take care of themselves.

And that starts with Lindsay.

And I'm feeling here like, let's dump this for right now. I think I'm seeing some great things happening in the city, and I'm seeing a lot of really good, a lot of dignities taking place already. Of course, it's something we can always work on. Yeah, we need to work on it. We've got enough goals, I don't know if we need to add another one right now. Okay, you guys good with that? Okay, so in the next five minutes before Brent's bathroom break, that's recorded. Goal number two, this year's event count baseline and target participation percentage.

How many events do you think we should do this year

and do we want to set a target percentage how many did we do last year we did the library night and then we did another night that we set the public I think the the result of the events we had was phenomenal like if we're gonna be a city of connection

we need to be together, right? And so I love it. I don't think we go less, but I also don't want to overwhelm our staff.

Well, and I think where we could really do well is increasing our participation. We did that, definitely. We served 700 people at the breakfast.

That's a record. Well, and if we're consistent, like Mugs and Bananas, right like look at that every year it's gotten bigger and bigger and because people know and i think the ones that went to the last event next time we're going to be like hey this was really cool last year you should come okay or blocks improved in year one

Do you guys want to push for any gateways in our city for this next year or two? Big gateways as you're coming into town with signage and all of that.

I think signage is key. We're forgotten. People drive past us and nobody knows we're here. I think signage is key.

Is that one directly correlated with Kelly?

and the main street program it can be because she's talked about that i think we should kind of like with the arts council i think we should loop her in because the locations we would put those would really probably be right there should we put up here one gateway that's our goal to start with yes yeah okay positive stories published per month Okay, we want to do a public, we want to do a campaign on our website of positive stories happening in Tremont. How many are there? That's the leader, we're in the public.

Zach, I don't have the exact number, but ours is supporting other events. Like most of them now, we are over 15 events.

Okay, great, thanks Zach. You must be listening. He's watching YouTube. Okay, so positive stories published should we shoot for five sure why not okay how many days ahead okay how many days ahead town hall agendas should be posted in other words let's do quarterly quarterly and two weeks ahead have our agendas posted for town halls.

And we're piggybacking off of those town halls, right?

Yeah, and anyone in the city, any department can jump off.

The question was, is that going to be two council members or the full council? That was the question that was brought up.

I think it should be full council. But if we don't, then we'll let you know. But I'm hoping it's full council. We'll have to have minutes and all that. But we're going to talk about that a little bit later tonight. But let's just go ahead and move forward with four-year on that.

Number of positive thought with town halls. I know there are some people that wanted to join and that might be something we want to do. I think with our new equivalent, the more you need to do that.

I think that would be a good thing to do.

And even if there's a way for them to pose a question to a town hall.

Yeah.

Number of target economic development prospects in the pipeline.

How many economic development prospects in the pipeline should we set a goal for?

What is an economic development prospect?

Well, we have three now, right? We have three right now, yeah. Three or four right now.

So I guess that's what I'm saying, no one's an entire .

That could be defined a lot of different ways. Yeah, but I think a goal of having five to seven in the pipeline would be. Like new business establishments? Yeah, yes. Because you can do smaller business ones. I actually just off the top of my head have two more that I know I've talked to.

Okay, seven of these.

We even have, we have more than three. I just thought of three more, but they weren't on the biggest scale, but we should have more. If they're not the same, I've got four or five more. I need to talk to you about some of the two after both.

Officers per. population ratio where you want to be in right now a thousand right now we're one in seven hundred one seven hundred i think we're one eight or one eight one per eight sixty three yeah so we want to try and get ourselves somewhere around one now we've got to be conservative because you know funding and all that but where do we want that to be i think if we aim for one per eight eight twenty five eight twenty Okay, great. Number of priority infrastructure projects in one year.

I'll ask Carl.

Completion date for utility rate studies. Carl?

Carl, well.

You?

Yes.

Okay, but we'll talk to you and Carl and see if we can't get a completion date of, what's that? first have an all utility piece down okay household water use reduction percentage so we'll work with carl on that and see if we can maybe we want to reduce that by five percent in a year or some some number that we try to do these what's going to be also needed in order to be prepared for that infrastructure that's coming

do we i mean that's the survey or the utility study that takes that into account right okay does it have our what you use every month next to the gallons and then it will on the secondary too yeah i have my little chart i never ask

So if they go, they should be able to see all that.

Last question, the baseline, the new 20% cumulative savings target is measured against. I say, what is going to be that baseline? Is it the general fund? Is it all funds?

What was the question?

the baseline for the new 20 cumulative savings target where should we set that baseline from i was thinking all department or all funds but i don't know i think each fund has to have its own yeah yeah so 20 on each fund as a goal

I think that would depend on each fund because there are different amounts, right, and different needs. And I would probably base it off of, like, operational costs. So that number is going to be different.

That's what I was going to say. Some of the funds already have some of the capital, future

we can cut poison fires.

And so, I mean, it's definitely discussion for them.

Okay, we'll have it. Thank you. We're going to get this ready to roll it out. And let's take a five-minute potty break. And then we'll come back and do a closed session until five minutes.

Yeah. How are you? Good to see you, man.

I went down for a few minutes and they said they had to take care of it.

Can you get up there so I can get you front and center? Are you staying? For a closed session? Oh no, but for the meeting.

You're getting your award.

I was like, it's not us.

Not today.

It's always next week.

Can I have a motion? I'll make a motion. Do we have a motion to go into closed session? Second.

Second by Grant.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Yes.

Thank you.