City Council - Regular Meeting

We've been with them. So call the workshop to order any conflict of interest for today. No, none. First of all, we've been asked that we amend the agenda for 2021. We want to start with G first, which is Carl's, and then F after that, and then we'll start back up at A. Is that, do we have to have a motion for that?

I have a motion to amend the agenda for the work session. We'll just want to do that when you approve the agenda. Well, it's just the work session. We can do whatever we want in the work session. Yeah, you're up, Carl.

All right. Thanks for your time. We'll be as expeditious as we can be here. I would like to introduce Eric Somm.

You've probably met him before.

I've asked Eric to conduct a presentation on the treatment plant and the status there and some needs and a plan that we want you to be aware of and want support on. So I'll turn the time over to Eric.

Okay, let's see.

Is there a way for me to share my screen real quick?

Okay, so thank you everyone for your time. I want to leave some time open to answer questions you might have. on some of the details and make sure we're steering the conversation in the direction you want. But as an introduction, I wanted to update you on the status of what's going on at the plant, the types of flows they're seeing versus the capacity they have right now, some of the action items that are already in motion, and then get into some of the remaining action items that we want to address not only in the short term, but also to look at some of the long-term plans for the city and for this area. So let's see. Okay, there we go. So I'll skip over some of this stuff, but so long-term plans, we want to look at really where your growth is going, what the growth rates, are going to look like compared to what we thought they were the last time we looked into our planning. I just spoke with Chris with Jones and Associates. And I know they're updating the collection system. So I want to keep collaborating with him and make sure that I get his updated population and growth projections. So we match what they're saying and make sure we get our stuff updated to match that. So that's the long-term plan. That includes looking at different sites. Is the place where we have the current wastewater treatment plant, does that make sense? Or do we need to look at possibly a new location for the plant? That's the long-term plan. Now, stuff like that can take, even once we have a lot of those pieces in place, a new site identified, et cetera, that's still a five to seven year window to actually permit, develop, build all of this stuff. And we're going to be a longer window than that, since that idea is really in its infancy. So while we're doing that long-term planning, there's some short-term plans that we need to make sure we

keep in place yes go ahead i just wanted to add that we i think we're all aware of certain things happening or with great potential to happen in or near our community that would impact growth and development in large ways and so um

yeah but what we need is an updated plan that accounts for that so that's that's where we're headed with that yeah okay perfect um so just wanted to recap so the plant as it is it's designed to handle 1.9 million gallons per day what we call an mgd uh average flow we're right there right now very close to it so We're to the point where we need to expand. We already have, as you saw, expanded some of the facilities. We have plans in place to expand others. There's a couple other things that need our attention in the very short term to make sure that we keep things reliable and operating with the capacity we need. And that's how we're going to bridge this gap between where we're at now and where we see things going long term, 10, 15 plus years down the road. Um, so, and as Carl said, some of that growth has changed. So our previous master plan we did in 2022, uh, assumed a growth from 2.5 to 3%. Um, your growth has been a little bit higher. You can see we projected by now we've had a population of just under 11,800, uh, online. I'm seeing estimates from 12,500, even pushing 13,000 in your service area. possibly more. So we've grown a little bit more. And I just wanted to give you a taste from the Gardner Institute how variable it is. So some years 10% growth, other years less than a percent. The good news is, from our perspective, we don't need to predict every year. We just need, what is the 10 to 20 year average look like? That's what I need to design around and what we need to plan around. So just giving you a roadmap, the master plan recommended that we expand the plant from 1.9 to 3 million gallon per day capacity. We actually projected 2.7 is what you need, but we rounded it up to three to give us a little buffer capacity. At that point, we had a 3NGD plant lasting us well into the 2040s. What year was the last master plant? So the last major update was 2021-2022. That was the last time that was looked at. And that's typical every five or so years is when you'd like to look at that, unless you have drastic changes, and then you kind of have to look at it again. So the idea behind that was that would buy us enough time for you guys to continue to do your planning, identify if a regional plant or a new site makes sense, while in the meantime we keep things up and running. and buy us the time we need so we're not in red alert DEFCON 1 mode. The timeline on this may be accelerated a little bit now, but the point I want to make is getting us to a 3MGD plant is still at least a 10 to 15 year window, which is plenty of time to do planning, but we need to get the rest of the 3MGD plant in place. to buy us that time to do the planning. So that's where we're at. So the active projects we have going on, like I said, Jones & Associates is updating your collection system. That's going to tell us where we fit on this. Can I get my cursor over there? Let's see. Oh, there it is. Where we fit on this 2043, if that projection moves up or down a little bit. That just helps us know how much time we've bought to do this long-term plan. So that's a very critical piece of information to know. And then the other part we have is the first phase, getting you guys more capacity on the main heart of the plant. That's already planned. We're waiting for the state to give us the green light on the updated permit. And then we're going to go out to bid. I believe we've got funding already dedicated to make that happen.

So sorry, the 2043 that's 5% projection.

That's based off of a 2.5 to 3% growth. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas the average since 2020 has been closer to 5%, but you can see very high variability. Now, if you look at the Garner Institute, it's still having us down in that two and a half to 3% range, but I don't think they have some of these very recent developments on their radar. And that's what, this plan by Jones and Associates is looking a little bit more at that. But the thing to realize about that, there can be big plans for development, big plans for other future infrastructure, data centers, other things that are being talked about. But even when that comes to fruition, you're looking at a 10 plus year timeline for a lot of that infrastructure to be in place. and to have what I like to say butts in seats actually in the city. So that's why I'm not nervous about our 3NGD timeline, that's going to buy us plenty of time to keep planning and really know what's coming long term for the city and then we can make the next generation of decisions and those decisions are, is the site we have good? Is a new site necessary? But To buy us that time, we need to finish our phasing plan at the current site. Yeah.

So we're nervous about the short term. We're very nervous about that. I think you picked up on that. And thank you for being supportive and understanding those needs. We are being proactive about what we can do for for the next 20 years. And this plan is smart because it takes in additional planning considerations. And we have time. And we just need to model different scenarios, whether it's best to keep throwing money at this current plant that we have, or if it's we just throw a certain amount of money that buys us a certain amount of time. and then build a new plan. That's the medium slash long-term plan that makes sense to do what we're doing, what we're about to do.

So the plan would be let's keep the one we have running as long as we need to, and that's what we put in because we know we need to expand

today and there's stuff we need to fix it's 56 years old that we need to fix um that's the short term that's what we keep running now while that's running we plan and build a new plant or you know maybe we decide we're going to expand there that's fine we get that plan we get that design we get all the permitting all in place get that built and ready to go so by the time we're again pushing 80 90 of the capacity of this expanded plant we've got our alternate in place ready to basically switch things over now practically speaking for a year or so you'd probably run both you don't want to run two plants long term trust me on that uh but yeah you would get the new one going new connections going to that and then flip the switch over for your old ones um and that's that's probably who we got time for okay so the wrap up on this is the remaining stuff that we need to get done. These are kind of our recommended plans. So updating the master plan based on the updated information from Jones and Associates. And then the other two big projects at the existing site, like we've talked about, are the solids handling, those old digester tanks, the dewatering, a lot of stuff there's worn out. That one's really mission critical. I'd like to get going on that yesterday. And then the third phase, um is uh the front end of the plant stuff isn't falling apart there but we need more capacity there but part of the timeline that we get from jones and associates that would tell us how much we need to do of that. I know there's a little bit we'll need to survive for the next five to 10 years, but we don't necessarily need to do all of that. So that I would like to hold off a little bit until we get more information from Jones and we can make smarter decisions about what we do for that. So the two big things from that are the solids handling, that's critical, we need to do that for now. no matter what the long-term plans say phase three will need to do a part of it but the uh information from jones will tell us what makes the most sense of that phase three do we know how long it's going to take jones to give us that information or how long you will be waiting for the states okay to start with what you're ready to do right now so the state i've been waiting for since uh late last year I bug them frequently. We're making progress through that. Jones and Associates, they said...

I can answer that question. So we've been meeting with them every Wednesday. And so we are making regular progress now. So we just make... Just holding that Wednesday meeting has been crucial to make sure that we keep moving things along. That and... adding uh steve brady as assistant assistant city engineer has helped tremendously we just doubled you know the amount of people available to help us move things along so it's been it's going better and i know steve well i worked with him for a lot right so yeah um so um

Let's see, and then yeah, the Jones and Associates stuff, I believe they said they would have a draft, I think even by August of their updated collections plan. And even if that isn't finalized per se, that probably has enough information for us to move ahead with updating a master plan. And then I just threw, we won't get into this stuff, but I just threw in just kind of some timelines of these projects we've been talking about you can see the collection system is ongoing phase one's ongoing we're just waiting to bid and build it uh the master plan update we'd like to start that as soon as the uh jones collection system is going uh phase two the solid stuff we'd like to start that and have that going in parallel with this other project um so we don't reach uh critical mass there we don't have phase two budgeted or anything beyond phase one and so is looking at this timeline it's critical that we can at least fund phase two and then once once we kind of put out those fires so to speak we've got our master plan updated now we can work with jones on a location study and put to bed new possibly regional plant expand where we're at etc and then based on that we would make our decisions on everything else at the existing plant we need to get us to survive for that 10 or 15 years whatever window the master plan and the location study tell us is our target window so then obviously we're getting these updates yeah i mean

like the numbers have already been shared those aren't changing so there are the numbers are already there for phase two and phase three we're still not certain on but what you know phase three is like eight million dollars and we may tear that part back sorry Brent go ahead

Oh, no, sorry. I've got you on audio, but the video is not coming through. So I'm not sure if I'm cutting into anybody or not. But I just have a quick question. Obviously, I'm supportive of what you guys need to do. I had one of the county commissioners ask me a couple of months ago about a regional sewer plant project. I told him I didn't have an idea. And I've also been told by other people that that's kind of been a common thing over the years is a combined sewer plant. Is there any discussion with the county on a combined one or is that even a realistic

um as far as i'm aware with chris and jones he hasn't had any discussion with anyone well i don't think it's been our prerogative to yeah we're just we're primarily concerned with tremont city but um the mayor has engaged in at least some conversations with the county at that level yeah anything that you can do i just wanted to see if that if it was there but if it works out better for us to just have our own and let them deal with their stuff i'm

i'm good with uh with whatever you guys think is the best way to go yeah i think they would be very smart to jump on board with what we're looking at to help fund it to help it would be with planning and be involved with that so if you could pick if you could choose would you rather a regional or just a three-month city plan i mean i know it's a hard question but what would you what would be your

Based on what we anticipate coming, we anticipate a location change, which could benefit a larger area very nicely.

Okay.

Yeah.

I need to stop, but I think we probably got to move on. Thank you both. The next thing is in conjunction, right? Yeah. Nick presenters the CBI funding with Gordon Walker. I did fail to excuse the mayor. Brent Donnelly, the mayor, had some stuff that couldn't be here. So that's why he's not here.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate your time and happy to answer any follow-up questions. Let's name the information ASAP when you have it.

This funding is always on.

Okay, I'll just go ahead and introduce Gordon real fast for you. Gordon, we had the opportunity with the mayor, and the mayor would be doing this, but he's not here today, so I just wanted to acknowledge that the mayor and I sat down with Gordon, and he's a consultant looking to help with some funding issues for the city for short-term and long-term. It was a really good productive meeting. We met for over an hour and interested to hear what he says and just to present to you as a funding option to help with some of the infrastructure needs of the city. So I'll turn the time over to Gordon.

Thank you. This is a little bit cart before the horse. But if you've got a strong horse, you let the cart come. This was interesting. It was interesting that you had a presentation on a new sewer. i was asked i first met with the previous administration one day i was invited into a meeting on an annexation of property that is either has come or is coming and how to provide the services for it i represent my background i am now a consultant i guess for people that want to wake me up from a nap. I was in charge of housing and community development for the state for 12 years. And in that I was chair of the Community Impact Board, which really is the key funder for any and all service projects that are needed by rural Utah. This is money that comes from oil and gas revenues and coal that is used just for rural Utah. Some of the projects that we put together, one is that you hear of a train that is making it easier to get trucks off the road. out in the Uintah Basin. The last project that we just are finishing up and is now being built is a new visitor center and full advanced sewer system down in the East Zion area, right at the gate of the park. coming out. If you were to go there, you'd see a pretty nice building for which the Community Impact Board provided $30 million. So as I met with these gentlemen, I'm not here to sell you on anything. I'm here to facilitate what you do with them. As I listened to the presentation, it would be very very easy to skip forward to where you're going and maybe not travel all of the roadways there i know that we can find a funding for you uh the 30 the reason i was brought in down in the Kanab area was that they couldn't get it done. I mean, they just couldn't get it done. And so I was asked to make introductions and to facilitate it and take it through. And over the last four or five years, you know, we put $30 million into this project there. You are, from what I know, you have some real opportunities in front of you. And I'm not telling you what to do at all, but if you want to skip a few steps, we can do that. Actually, the reason I say that is that I hired all the people that are doing decision-making. We do have access to this money, but it's a lot of money that is available. When I left the state, we had close about $850 million that is revolving and continually repaying and coming back. I would be happy to help you. I enjoyed meeting Christine. You got some good people and Carl. but I can see how to solve many of the problems that you struggle with on the money end. And the reason I say that is when I met with the previous mayor and previous group, they were saying, well, they were going to do this or that. And it was always about water because that's what we were talking about. And I said, well, here's your problems. And I pointed them out. And when we got together and followed up, what I told them happened exactly the because the state has been slow this past year in approving new sewer systems. The sewer system that's going in down just on the east on Highway 9 outside the park is an absolute state-of-the-art type sewer, and it took them a year to do it. And so what he's saying is, We need to make some calls and get some other people doing some of these approvals. Anyway, I'm here. I was asked to come, so there's no arm twisting today. But I would be happy to work with you and work through the financing of every one of these things. The source of the money, as I mentioned, is oil and gas revenues. There's a royalty, and part of that comes back to the state. Six percent goes to Washington. Three percent comes back to the state. And that, with the payback money, provides an excellent source of revenue if you know how to get it. It can be, it can come in the form of grant. It can come in the form of a low interest loan. For example, if you're doing a water project, there's another source of funding at the state from the division of drinking water. And when someone had come to us for water, we'd say, have you gone to drinking water? And they'd say, yes, but you're cheaper. which is true, which is true. And we have a whole lot more money. CIB not, I'm sorry, sometimes I lose myself in historical, but the CIB has a lot more money, generally alone, but it's a low interest loan. The first $15.5 million on this visitor center was authorized with a 1% 30-year mortgage. Have any of you got that money?

That's a decent rate.

Then they changed the law and put a couple of hard noses on there. The next came in at two and a half. That's where this would be going. If you get a pocket a group of projects now if they're if we were combining water and sewer it's better to take it in two separate but if you're looking at various phases on a sewer system it would be easy not for me to say the engineers have to say whether it's easy or not but to combine those and do one financing because you get the money, you can run just as fast as you can. There are rules and regulations with that, and we really can't apply until next spring unless you happened to have a critical issue. And at the end of our meeting, Christine said, well, this is critical. And that triggered my mind. Yeah, we can do that. It's a cheaper rate than you'd pay. First of all, you're not going to find the money with the bank. That's not going to happen at whatever rate. They say there's federal money. You need to listen to the news and hear what's happening to federal money because it's disappearing very, very rapidly. We don't have lawmakers now that earmark funds. They're not doing any more earmarks. Bob Bennett used to do that, but nowadays that is not happening. And so if you're relying on federal money, that is a problem. there's drips and drabs but it's not not if you want to get something done and move forward and at the state level it's really the same the sources of money just aren't there we can go into that someday but anyway i am available to help out I will work with Christine or whoever you're interested. If you're interested in talking to me further, I respect your time and say thank you.

I wanted to thank him for coming. We wanted to be very upfront with the council and we asked him to come because I needed to know if this was a valuable option for us to continue to work, to talk to him because the decision's up to you. as a council and so that's the main reason we haven't come here is to see i've been looking at different funding options talking to lots of different things and mayor and i thought we would introduce this idea to you as a council i appreciate come i i do it's something that we need to talk about yeah i'm talking with the mayor today i mean i think obviously we'd be pretty crazy enough to entertain

Well, that's the problem that you have to face as council members, because you either control it or you go get another job, as you see is happening in the elections. So anyway, I will leave some cards. any of you are more than welcome to call me. My cell phone is on there. If there's anything I can do to help you. I was born and raised in Logan, and so I have an interest in this area. In fact, last time I was up here, my brother was wanting to do some housing. I said, sorry, I can't fund you. You take care of that in the very first second of your meetings, conflicts of interest. I don't have any. Thank you.

Thank you for your time. So I guess we're just going to break and then we'll have to get the meeting resolution. So we'll take a five-minute break and start again.

. . . . . I'd say for driving that and walking, I've been almost here several times.

But I hope I Yes. Yes. Yes. And they really liked it. How are you?

I'm not going to do it. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. So. . . . Okay. . . Thank you. Up to four, very comfortable.

Here we go, one minute until we start.

what we're doing right now

Hey, we're going to get started.

We're gonna get started if you want to sit down and

I'm picking it in. Okay, if you're outside and you're coming in, even if you're outside, we can hear you in here, so we need to come in here quick. We'll start with a call to order, then a roll call. Not even here. Council member.

Council member Orlow.

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Council member Westerger. Here. Council member Lewis.

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Council member Jackson.

Here.

We have a quorum. I'm here too. Oh, sorry.

Sorry, Dusty. Council member Bogut. I'm here. It's okay. I'm sorry. We'll keep you in line.

so i just wanted to acknowledge that the mayor had to be gone he's had some stuff personally stuff gone so he's not going to be here tonight so i'm running the paper so uh tonight night and i guess since you know we'll have our uh invocation by and prayer by christy councilwoman focus and then the pledge by So we'll start with that.

Our Father in heaven, we're grateful to be here. We're grateful for the many blessings that was blessed us with. We're grateful for this building that we can lead in. Father, this time we ask that thy spirit will be with us to help us make the decisions that need to be made, guide us and direct us. We're grateful for our youth and the strength of our youth in our community and around about us. Help us to all stay strong and support one another. And we say these things in Jesus Christ's name.

Amen. Please stand and repeat the pledge with me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen.

Okay, and ask for approval of the agenda. I'll make a motion that we approve the agenda with the following changes that we move. Resolution 2644, Resolution 2645, Resolution 2646, Ordinance 2609, Ordinance 2610,

light discussion on the floor for to the strategic business items the policies for the policy session so no okay we have a motion to second all those to say yes yes yes okay we've proven and now he is there a declaration of interest on any other none there so uh the next thing is a presentation we have uh jordan rawlinson with 10 years with the parks and rec and i guess sax present that so over there

Hello, Council. I'd like to introduce Jordan Rawlinson. Some of you may know her as Shari's lovely daughter. A little bit about Jordan. Back when I started here almost 14 years ago, Jordan was one of the first people that I met working. She was our basketball scorekeeper over at the Garland Armory for our girls. something like that yeah so and we were friends she was working as a teacher right at the school district um and then she met her husband the old Cody and well I guess they knew each other already but they got married and started a family and she took some time off here and there from working for us off and on for 15 years And, but, uh, over that time, she has worked over 10 years for us. So we wanted to present her a bit of recognition for her time served for the youth in our community and for helping us basically whenever we can. So a little bit, uh, more, that was on my personal story, but we asked Jordan to tell us a little bit about herself and she was born and raised in Tremont and she loves it here. Uh, married to a great husband. You know, four amazing kids, three girls and one boy. I have an elementary education degree and plan on returning to teaching. So she's been focused on her family and now she plans on going back. I love all things sports and still enjoy playing soccer, watching my kids. So I asked Jordan a few questions. I asked her, what is your favorite part of working for Tremont City? She said, My favorite part about working for Tremont City is being involved with the community. I love being a part of or at sporting events and interacting with people. We asked her, what are you passionate about? And she said, I am passionate about my family. There are all things good, and I love spending as much time with them as I can. We love family game nights. And then also, what is your dream vacation spot? And she said, my dream vacation spot is Brazil, That's just a little bit about Doreen. We appreciate her and all that she's done over the years. If you know the Euler family, family is huge to them. And so we know how big of a resource and important they are to this community.

okay uh item six uh or seven swearing in that you should cancel and have their leaders are going to announce their names and so we'll turn it over to them well we are excited to get our new year going um i'm caroline and this is bill burgess we are the leaders of the group and we love working with this kid this year our new mayor is bridget deaton can i see your name come on Our city manager is Avery Kimber. Our recorder is Taya Burgess. Our historian is Macy Mello. And our project manager is Aisley Butler. And tonight we also have Brooklyn, Tayton, Gracie, and Lucy here. And as you can tell, I have the dream calling. I work with some amazing kids. These guys do a lot of good jobs at planning and carrying out activities for the city. And we are so excited. Our new board has planned a new activity this fall. year with parks and rec and we're going to have a team night and they're really excited to bring some new activities to our city so this is our new year thank you I do solemnly swear that I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Utah, and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity.

Should we get a picture?

Will you guys be in our picture?

We'll do it like we do with the students. Do you guys want to come right up here and then you guys can stand up?

Can we thank Bill and Caroline? A lot of hours.

They're amazing.

Okay, next on the agenda is the general public comment. So this is the residents address the city council on items that are not listed in what we're gonna be talking about later. Just remember their dignity and when you come up, state your name so that we can get it on record. We hold the three minutes. on the button that goes off there's a trap door we have a lot on the agenda so uh if anybody i don't know if we have anybody sign up so it's now the floor now open for

My name is Lane Wiley and I just would like to quickly mention that I'm excited about the new city website. I have spent the last Two days trying to find a document on current Tremont website says it's supposed to be there to go to the next chart to see what i'm talking about I went to this Tremont website put in the search engine all of those things looking for the citizen advisory committee the ordinance Or the title went with it and all three searches took me to the same place I have yet to be able to figure out how to find a document in the Tremont City website. So go to the next page. I was excited to read this morning about a note from the mayor about a new front door, a new website, or whatever it is you guys are doing. But I'm excited to see that. And I just want to say a huge thank you for trying to make it more transparent for us as the citizens to be able to find documents to look at and to provide you public comment that too, when you ask us for public comment. Thank you.

It wasn't for hackers, it'd be live already.

Gotta prevent it. No, we didn't have it.

any others okay we'll move on to the next is discussion considering approval of the special event the live entertainment permit and uh is that gonna prevent better hello council me again um

We recently had a, Mr. Pendo submitted a special event and a live entertainment permit. It's a little interesting what he, because what he's proposing is all on his property of his business. He's been a business owner in the community. He's ran the Lucky 75 barbershop for several years. He's been over on Second East. He's currently in a new location, which is right at the railroad tracks, where the gun shop used to be. He has a business license to run a boxing gym, and he moved his barbershop into that location. So with this application, he's asking for to be able to host something similar to the Mugs and Bananas, which is a public event, except . But with that, he's asking to host a sanctioned boxing tournament through USA Boxing as the live entertainment portion. It'll be on his property. He is asking to have some bleachers brought in as we have in the past for the months of bananas for this event. The part of the process that we worked through him with was he was asking to be able to have alcohol on premise with that. And that's something that we have negotiated that any special event. and any boxing wrestle. We've gone through several different things that alcohol is not available to happen. So he's agreed to that. And moving forward without that, I think we've worked out on the city side everything that needs to happen to be able for him to host this event, which would have several different things. He wants to do his grand opening. He wants to have this sanctioned boxing tournament. as well as ceremonial dancers have some music with a live band and a DJ. And so he's coming to the council's permission to ask for this live entertainment permit as part of his grand opening of his box museum. So any questions from council?

And the live entertainment would be a band and then...

So the live entertainment portion is the boxing match itself. The concert and the live, that does not fall under live entertainment. For Mugs and Bananas, they don't have to come for the live entertainment portion because it is specified that they don't need to come for that. Otherwise, we'd be able to do, well, there's a lot of these, We're able to work it out. And so that's what he's asking permission for. Because it is on his private property.

So security-wise, is the police, are they okay on this?

We have, Skyler's still here? So Skyler and I have talked about this several times. And police presence would be notified. It is on their property. He's planning on having his own security instance and stuff like that. So it's nothing that we would have to have any additional resources for. that police would just know about it, that it is something going on.

So do we, there's not a motion. I got to make a motion.

Brenton has a question. I was just asking, do we need a motion to approve it? If so, I'll make that.

It would be a motion, yeah. So do you have any questions? I just want to make it quick.

It's okay. I don't want to embarrass you. But he used to work at Lewis Cabinet. We had a dream manager. His whole job was to find out what their life dreams were. And I remember sitting with him and him telling me he had a dream and a vision of starting a boxing gym.

And someday being able to help youth be able to channel their efforts into something that pushes their limits. And so for me, it's kind of actually special to have him stand there and propose the event, I'm pretty excited. That is awesome.

It's pretty neat too that 14% of our community is Hispanic and Latin. And so it's a large majority, or not majority, but it's a large portion that is culturally not representative in our community. So I do believe that this will help culturally unite some of those members that we don't often see.

the the staff recommends approval for this um so hold for it there's no other questions so we have a motion from brent i'll second that the second from shari so that called for uh so all those in favor say yes yes yes yes yay good luck you're on

Oh, for personal reasons. Make sure you get the TV screen in.

I think everyone should be going like this. Why do you want to stand up?

Come on, smile.

Yeah, I think I said it right.

okay now we'll move you to uh our strategic business that we and we had quite a bit because we were we showed up late for our strategic so we'll start with the presentation of the resolution 2644 from mayor major manager nesson on the aging service

contract we get each year with BRAG. They help fund our senior center, our congregate and home delivery meals programs. So this is just one we update every year to continue serving the people and they continue helping us out.

So the next one, you're up for the next one. Can I have one quick question on that? Have we talked with any of the neighboring cities? I know every year we talk about it.

Because I think a similar situation is happening in Brigham City, if I'm not mistaken, where the host city is kind of putting the bill for the neighboring cities and neighboring cities aren't paying. It just doesn't sit well with me that the citizens of Tremonton

bearing the burden of taking care of the citizens in other cities without contribution it just doesn't make sense I guess just for public record I'm trying to make it again known that we don't feel settled with that and neighboring cities please do your part that's a great I agree with that so is there a plan to have someone go and speak to them again I mean we've done it

We've done it many times, and they have not contributed.

She was up in Garland. She's probably been since the first of the year.

So it's been more recent than two years.

We can take on a couple of us. I can help go to the ones that don't pay. Obviously, we don't need to go to everybody if they're paying. I don't think there's any ill intent.

I don't think it's ill intent, but I just don't think they're planning it and if they can get ahead of it and start planning it and just know that it's an expectation.

We've been asking for years, six years now. It feels really awkward to me. Which I know we've had conversations, right? If we opted to not, then Brad's not going to give us that $103,000 either because we got to serve.

I don't think anybody in a- cut it yeah we don't want to cut somebody but yeah that's just if we got paid and those are the amount of meals that are being served to their residents well it's got more stuff you can't see all of it together

I just can't imagine being on a city council being told that you're being served and not allocating funds for that to serve your seniors. It feels really interesting to me. Again, I don't think it's ill intent, but is it just not understood? I don't know.

Well, maybe like Blair said, maybe we should just divide and conquer.

I know just before I got in, they went,

to every one of them i know did they yeah and that's only been a while but some of them have new ministry yeah that's true yes this term and probably needs to start in january when we see invoices maybe so they have time to budget for it i'll check with jenny too and see what she did in the first year of how many cities she went to and maybe she just did cars yeah that sounds good thank you

Okay, the next is Lindsay Tube for Resolution 2645 on the financial.

No, we're going to do it. Okay. This is just an update to one of our financial policies. Zion's let us know, I think it was June 26th, some new rules came in place for ACH payments and trying to stop fraud and all that kind of stuff. So I did also send this on to Jamie who looked at it and she said there's lots more changes we probably need to make in this policy but where this one became effective on june 26 already we thought we better get it in here and then we'll review the policy again and make some other changes agreed to at a later date but yeah this is just an update that um zions let us know that we need to have a policy similar to monitor for a state trial any questions i've got one blurb did warren

Did I misunderstand, but when Bo made the motion to approve the agenda, did we not remove all of these out of the consent and into strategic business?

I think we were just moving to discuss them in work sessions, right? You just wanted to discuss them in business.

Yeah, I didn't know for sure where it fit. I think we were just going to, because it was on the work, so the next thing would be approve the consent.

Okay, because I can tell you I'm going to ask for 26-46 to be removed from the consent agenda and into strategic business if that wasn't part of the agenda approval.

No, that wasn't part of it. Okay, then. Can you make a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah.

So what are you saying? Are we moving 2646 to another place?

Yes. Yes. So we'll just skip that one. We still need to discuss it, but we'll.

Okay, so Cynthia's up for the presenter of that.

Okay, so we have a new judge, newer judge, and he's trying to follow state guidelines and move into a lot of the things they're doing. And so he's got a new payment system that we've got, we're going with the states. And along with that, we are also wanting to do a constable service, do our bailout service. If we have any conflicts right now, we don't have anyone that can back it up. We've had court several times. without a bailiff. So this will just hopefully be a nice consistent thing, and we won't have any issues. And this is how a lot of the courts do it. So we're just trying to follow that.

How does it impact our budget?

I don't know what the bailiff's getting paid now, but this is far cheaper than the other options we were looking at.

So the reason that I wanted to remove this from the consent agenda is, one, This is the first time I'm hearing about anything and I'd like to get back and I haven't had a chance to talk to Skyler about anything coming up.

I know that when West Jordan moved from our own bailiffs to the constables, it cost us about

1.75 more times more. And so it was more expensive because you're paying for all of their overhead. And so I'd like to know what the costs are, what we're weighing that on. If there are issues, I know that having the new judge and the new prosecutor, things have been kind of jumbled all over the place. But in fact, I'm going to I'm going to ask that we table it for two weeks until I can get back and at least do some digging. This is the, like I said, this is the first I'm hearing about it. And so. When you say you want to lower the cost, you're referring to the.

48 per hour. You're saying compared against what we currently pay. We don't have to provide them with bullets or guns or any of that because they provided all pantry and all of the other.

So we just pay them the hour they came in the area. What is the hourly rate?

And what are we paying now?

So is that what you're saying is you'd like to understand our current cost before we move forward with this?

Yeah, this seems like a really rapid change and if we don't know the cost that we're looking at, I'd like to table it until we can have something a little more presented there was a problem with uh i don't know how we're how we're doing it but not having anyone and that's important yeah and well yeah and it comes down to like is the is is madison being notified of the schedule i mean is there like is there consistency on the court dates is there i mean there are all these all these questions that i have that that And I don't see a problem in tabling this for two weeks, and let me get back and kind of dive into it. Because as it stands right now, if we have to go on it today, I'm a no vote just because I don't know the other answers. I don't have the other information. This is pretty rapid.

Don't we usually hold court on a set day? Every day, yeah. Every Monday? Same time, yeah.

But aren't some of them virtual? and our court clerk does notify her every time and how far in advance um she's also got a calendar when she is very she can go have to see one court schedule this is pretty involved with the court i know the judge is uh pretty frustrated so well if we could table until like like i said this is the first time hearing about anything And so I haven't even heard that the judge is frustrated. So if we could table it and give two weeks from, you know, out of fairness, I would appreciate that. I don't know if I need to make a motion to table it or if he has the appropriate time.

That would be when we approve the consent agenda. We need to make a motion to approve it.

We'll keep that. Okay. Brent, keep that at point. We're going to move to that. So it's the...

yeah the 20 to 46 26 46 26 46 correct okay do you feel you could um potentially approve it with some time and some research and details yeah i mean i i like i said right now i i saw this and i'm i'm like oh i wonder what's what's going on you know did so yeah i mean let me get back and follow and and if there are issues coming up in a in a department that we're supposed to be the liaison with it would really help if if that information could get pushed to us to dig into you know we approved this several years ago knowing that it was conflict of interest and knowing that we had to keep the job ad on our website i think there was a time

like this has been a conflict of interest because of Madison being the chief's wife. So Cynthia has been overseeing that.

So is the, so we've had a constant job opening for it. Have we had any applicants for it?

Yeah, off and on throughout the years. And we interviewed one recently But in talking with Skyler, we'd have to provide them with their bulletproof vest and their gun and all of the training and all these things, which we do not have to provide for the professionals. They provide it themselves.

OK. Stuff like that, I didn't know. Would it do a lot of damage to table this for two weeks so I can get all these questions answered?

I think we have court reports .

I don't know. I'm just the cocker guy, so who's going to tell me?

I mean, I'm comfortable with taking some time to get details on the current costs, but I also don't want to cause any friction anywhere. You guys know what rules and what problems. I think this question's fair.

Does it hurt to delay a couple weeks? If it does, let me speak up.

Well, we really need something to show up for court, though. Yes. I mean, they're there for a reason. And that's my concern, is if they're not showing up, that's a huge concern. That's a safety concern for not only the court system, but all these wonderful people who work within this building.

So I would pose the question. Is Skyler in the room?

Yes.

So I would ask Skyler, if we If we table this for a few weeks to get the answers and stuff like that, can we get a guarantee that somebody's going to be there on the court dates between now and then? From the police department.

Yeah, I'll guarantee it. And I've talked to Cynthia about this a few times. And in the last couple of days, there's been some stuff passed on to me that I do think it would be worth looking into and having a discussion with Cynthia and Lindsay. and Bo or whoever, I can get someone there to cover it. But I do think just to do our due diligence, there's reason to look into some things. If you guys give me the court date, I'll make sure someone's there. I'll be there. It's up to you guys to bail it, just so you guys are aware. The only thing we're overseeing right now is her certification, where she's chief's wife. Okay Okay, I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda with removing

Resolution 2646. Now is this what I asked to remove it to strategic business and then do a motion to table in strategic business? Okay, then move 2646 out of consent into the strategic business.

So we have the consent intended, which includes the minutes and then these resolutions, 2644. 445, yeah. So we have a motion by Brant. Do we have a second?

I'll second it.

Second by Christie. So this is a, is this a vote or a name thing? Roll call. Roll call.

Councilmember Boca. Yes. Councilmember Orler.

Yes.

Councilmember Westacur.

Yes.

Councilmember LeWitt.

Yes.

Councilmember Jax. Yes. All in favor.

Okay, now we'll go to strategic business. And the first one is a consideration adopting that ordinance 2609 of the

How is everybody?

Good. All right. Item 12A on the strategic business is that the Canada States rezone application 26.015, representative of the applicant being available for questioning tonight, the owner, though, is Stagg Investments, LLC. Project location is approximately at the terminus of North 1650 West. The application was submitted May 15 of this year with the parcel number identified in your packet tonight. The current zoning is split between two zones, RN16, which is multiple residential zone, and R110, which is a residential zone. The general plan designation which on a technicality comes from the future land use map from the 2023 integrated land use plan designates this area as single family residential and in parentheses low to medium density. The acreage of the property is 36.29 acres and the request is to amend the existing R110 and RM16 split zone designation on an approximately 36.29 acre parcel by extending the boundary of the approximately 3.57 acre RN16 portion of the property to the parcel's northern boundary and by amending the remainder of their property from R110 to RM8. The Planning Commission heard this at their regularly scheduled meeting on June 23rd of 2026. Comments made during the public were looking for more information wanting to make sure public notice procedures were followed and expressed general concerns for townhomes in that area the planning commission discussed the viability of apartments and townhomes at the site talked about potential lot yield and and talked about imposing a development agreement for this property furthermore the planning commission discussed their preference that the applicant utilize the recently repealed PUD overlay chapter from our code, chapter 1.33. Staff clarified on all of these issues that the Planning Commission doesn't need to be requiring any documentation like a development agreement at the time of a rezone. Again, hard zoning, just changing zones. A development agreement would be a feature that's defined in the subdivision process, so it comes later down the line. Furthermore, staff clarified the discussion of potential lot yield. should happen more generally at the stage of a rezone where you can talk about the possible number of potential units in an area, but to get an exact figure is actually yielded by the subdivision process solely and no discussion of a hard number of how many lots they could or should have, should not discuss in a rezone discussion. The Planning Commission voted to recommend denial of the application to this body with a three to two vote. That's Chair Van Tassel voting yes to the motion and members Ellsworth and Miller voting no to the motion. And I wanted to read the findings contained within the staff reporting and meeting packet. If the Commission finds merit in this reason, then the following findings could be considered. the proposed amendment support future residential development of the property two that the proposed amendment is compatible with the adjacent residential zoning and development three that the proposed amendment promotes logical and orderly residential growth and four that the subject property is suitable for future development and has access to the existing street network again a representative of the applicant is available for questions and staff can answer questions as well thank you

want to ask you a question true yeah listen to the planning commission you yourself has have come out and said that you don't want to be on this land on this okay I wanted the Planning Commission was trying to push you into that and he has that he doesn't want to be so I

We don't have a PUD.

He had the opportunity to. He does because he was putting him right after him. And so there was that opportunity there, but I just wanted to make it clear that he has chosen not to do a PUD and I appreciate that.

So the R116 and just stay along the freeway all the way to the end of your project? Correct.

There should be a zone map that will kind of show that. I think it's a few pages down maybe. Basically, yes, it just borders I-15 because the main road going through is going to be a 66-foot road.

It's on there somewhere because I saw it.

The white one. So that shows the layout of the RM-16 where it will border against I-15, which will be a block from the freeway. That's the whole purpose behind that zoning there. And that's why we want the main road to continue straight through. It'll break the development down into basically two different sections. You'll have your higher density against the freeway, bordering the freeway, and we'll keep our lower density. zoning the rm8 to be able to build multiple different types of housings you know from town homes to single family to whatever suits the surroundings we want to bring multiple different types of families to be able to afford affordable housing basically so that's kind of what our goal is

One of the things that his proposal is, is he's trying to get that variety of housing types within the HART zoning standards. And so the council's decision is to decide, does this HART zoning fit the area for his ability to do that? And that was the original request of the application.

And our current land use plan is not including that, correct? What is the land use plan?

It's the exhibit just previous, I think.

keep going yeah okay one more rm16 on the bottom point right there and then r110 on the rest of it yeah it doesn't give it our it doesn't give a hard zoning our current plan it just gives a general guideline of medium to low density in that in that area um and that's up to the council's decision

yeah a quick note on a matter of policy staff wouldn't really recommend creating any split zoning it exists currently and so they're amending the split zoning the reason that's important is because it allows for apartments in one area of the property and townhomes in the other you are almost getting a de facto mixed use. They're at least between residential and multiple residential types. You're getting a varied housing style approach to this area. The applicant, I would say, is advantaged just because the split zoning designation already exists. They're looking to amend it.

Does that make sense?

So when you reached out to

the existing residents that live there or around that area that's going to be affected what did they say what was what was the temperature they had three different meetings we had three different meetings on this and we had the central come and we had two different uh the first meet the first one the first proposal was for the entire parcel to be rm16 okay so not the rma they wanted the rezone to be in rezone the whole thing to rm16 so they could do apartments on all of that at that meeting there were 15 to 20 people there 100 of the the people at the mpi voted in favor that this was a good area that this was a place where they could see because there are departments there and they and they felt like that that was that was something that they but they all they voted 100 that that was a a good zone change but then they also voted 100 that they felt like truman wasn't ready for it they were concerned about schools they were concerned about different things the developer has gone back and amended the original proposal from rm16 so the rm16 is now just on the freeway side and then it's the rm8 on the other side so that was kind of some feedback that they got made some adjustments and then there's been three different notices sent to all of the residents about this and we've had one resident come to the planning commission meeting the vocalized his concern about having multi-family housing there, but after the meeting, the developer was able to talk to him, and that residence was appeased. Coming from the standpoint of the MPI in the central district, I have not seen a huge, I've seen more support than not in this area. That's the, I would hope, a faithful account of what we've seen.

Is there going to be a road cutting through? Yes. If I remember right on the road master plan, it's going to cut along that frontage and there's the other industrial.

Yeah, if you want to scroll back down to the black and white one. Yeah, the one right there. The road right there that will divide the multifamily housing areas with the lower density, the higher density, the lower density. that road will go right in between those and it will continue on up and connect up to 1000 North right across Canal Bay Drive there's a canal so it'll go straight through in order for the developer to to create the subdivision he knows there has to have that egress in place and the end they are actively working we are working with price we have met with price development and they are off they are also on board with that they also know that the road their their plans match is what I'm saying so that that that

for split designation and the actual physical location of the site supporting a future road looking pretty straight as it's depicted there is kind of unheard of, particularly in that, say, just to the applicant, so.

To me, it looks like it may.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Can I ask a question?

Yes, please do.

um how many on the on the apartment side how many buildings approximately are you anticipating building i mean what is our 16 zone you know allow a 16 acre or 16 units per acre so i mean we're averaging what 13 acres and i think three of them or four of them are already zoned in that rm16 so i mean i don't know the hard number on that but that bad amount roughly do we have a do we have a map on that i don't think you mean your concept yeah i don't think we have that on the I think there was six buildings maybe. And we don't plan on doing on apartments over four stories because after three stories, you have to go to elevators. We don't want to entertain the idea of elevators. We're not trying to look like we're going to build high rise buildings.

And my second question is, has this gone through police and fire review?

No, not at this time. Not at the rezone stage. That would go through at the subdivision stage when they start filling out the lots. But the rezone is just to say, is this an appropriate place for this kind of zone?

Okay, got it.

And the same thing would stand true with utilities. Yeah.

And that's part of those stats. I'm sorry to deviate. We want to use city. wisely their time and those reviews those those cost the city money and so we're trying to figure out these the entitlements if you're doing anything legislative we figure out the entitlements first and then we go into the details and then once they're entitled to those entitlements then it's worth paying our staff to review and get those fire safety and get all those things in place because that's the next review process and the applicant pays real money to draft plans cited by an engineer or a surveyor so proper proper decisions at a proper time with

the correct information presented at the right time.

I think one other thing to consider as a positive for this is that an RM-16 right against the freeway would typically go vertical.

Not always. That depends on the developer's decisions later and development agreement and other things.

But it serves as a natural sound barrier to the homes and other people that are on the other side of it.

so if there were uh there was a location for apartment complexes or town homes i think that would be probably the most suited in my mind that's locationally i think that was the intent of the developer yeah that would be correct well it'd be better to have apartments there then i'll see right there on that buffer zone but i'd still like to hear what the police have to say because they spend a chunk of time

apartment buildings and that is one of my concerns that i think putting the apartments there you wouldn't build the apartments out all at once would you no no everything would be broken into separate phases for sure okay yeah no it wouldn't be one big development all in one it'd probably be i mean i don't want to state what it would be but it could be you know a handful of years okay yeah okay fair enough thank you

What is that subdivision zone that's right there by that? What is the zoning on that? I believe it's R110.

There's two. There's two. You've got one's R and 16, where the apartments are, and then it's R110 on where the single-family houses are, yeah. And the concept plan that the developer, yeah, the concept plan the developer's put together is, and this is intent, and this is not something that the council has to, decide on is to buffer with single family houses as it transitions into townhouses. But the position, the proposal brought before you to be very clear is they could put RM8 throughout that entire parcel. So that's something that as a council you have to decide, but the intent of the development is to create a single family buffer against those existing houses, so.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

And why would we adjust to RM8 rather than

you know leaving at r110 that's what like yeah that's fine just for because i don't believe in the r110 you can do town homes you won't get the the doors so that's why we need to go to the rm8 to be able to do the town homes to get the doors that we want but like they said we don't we do not want to build town homes and border them up against the existing housing that's there We did a development. We built 200 townhomes. By 150 and you're selling the same thing, it's hard to move those products. We want a variety of different things. So with the RMA, that allows us to have the variety to bring instead of just all of the same aspects, same lot layouts, same size housing. We would like a bunch of different options. So that's kind of why we're shooting for the RMA zone.

increases the density correct correct so even in square footage making sure um eight thousand square foot lot but you can have mostly right that's why it's an rm yeah eight units per acre with the rm8 so you can get units breaker able to allow them to cluster as long as they took eight units per acre that that's all that they can have so and the r110 would be what on single houses per acre three one one house per ten thousand square feet So then they're all spread out. With the RM8, they could cluster them. They still can only go eight units per acre. And so the rest would have to be open space, or they could do the single family houses.

I mean, I'm just generally speaking my opinion in general about our land use plan.

That if we're talking about density, these are the types of zones that I think we have generally thought about for the density and not out in the outskirts, right? And so, and that's what I've also heard from residents is that that would be the intention is closer into the.

The general, I'm going to support what you're saying. Sorry to interrupt, but the general landings plan does say to have the, when you have higher density, have it in the urban core so it's accessible to parks and amenities in the city. And that was one of the reasons that the central district was like, it is accessible to parks and amenities.

You want to be careful as we plan.

Proposed golf course in the area.

To the east. Can I ask, I didn't get a chance to watch the Planning Commission meeting this time. What were the general concerns that were brought up for a vote? The biggest concern was that

they wanted a master plan community brought to make sure that the developer didn't do all townhouses with the RM8 and to protect the city from being able to have that. So they were kind of directing the applicant, they were directing the applicant to change their application into, and that kind of got off topic. So the application was, they wanted them to have a development agreement so that they made sure that they were held to the certain amount of houses and lots. But that route is expensive upfront for the city and for the developer, so the developer still decided to go with the hard zoning change, because he felt like they could create what they wanted with the hard zoning change. And that's something for the council to decide, and that's for us to facilitate.

And on a matter of policy, when rezones come before the planning commission and the council, just to discuss on the merits of what the applicant is requesting based on the fact that they submitted an application and paid a fee and made a request. And so if the commission doesn't find merit in the request, then you could deny the request per the legislative process. But if there's merit, it can be approved, so.

but just to take an applicant's request and ask them to change it in a meeting is not a good practice so do you i mean i know this is a question i shouldn't even be asking but do you have a general plan that you're thinking about doing besides just the apartments and how many town homes and single family homes yeah yeah so we actually do have a general plan that's

mostly drawn up i mean nothing's 100 right until we kind of understand what our zoning we don't want to spend too much money developing all this if it's not gonna work right but yeah we have an idea of what we're wanting for sure um and i think you guys have kind of seen that a little bit and you guys are on board with it so i think it'll be a good thing for the city i think it'll bring you know people to the city and allow them to have affordable housing and things like that and we have you know plans to build parks and trails and certain things through this development um with that rma we can cluster those housing those houses so therefore that leaves us more room for open space as well to have things for people to do you know football courts basketball courts some type of park

I don't think that at the Planning Commission, it wasn't necessarily the development that was the question. It was just being brought forth with a development agreement over the hard zone. That was more of the issue at the Planning Commission. They almost, well, I won't say what almost happened, but that was more of the main issue, was bringing it forth with a development agreement.

But as far as questions to the actual plan of the- Is there concerns about doing it in that approach?

Yes.

Am I allowed to ask that question?

No, you can ask that.

Do you want to answer that, Jeremy, or do you want me to answer that? Yeah. As previously stated, development agreements are required at the final plot stage in the subdivision process. So that's where an applicant following our code as laid out would get the rezone or be denied tonight. But if they're approved, then they could submit a concept plan submit preliminary plot that's where you really get into the dirt and know the details of the site and know and get the true lot number for the first time and then final plot is going to be a stripped down process of the the preliminary plot process but rather is going to introduce that development agreement before anything is approved

It's just an order of the operation. You're requiring a developer to produce a document that's expensive when he hasn't got his secured entitlements yet. And so he's trying to secure the zoning change and then he'll produce the development agreement. That's the difference between an overlay and a hard zoning request. Those are the differences.

Can I make... Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. I was just going to say, Christine, you know how I feel about the developments and my concern about high density and also the kind of rope-a-dope approach on things. And this is also my ignorance in this area. And so anybody else on the council or if you guys can guide me on this, I worry about I worry about approving something as zoning change tonight that somehow compels us in the future to allow the very thing that we've said that we don't want, if that makes sense. And so if it's structured like that, and maybe this is more for the developer, that I want to make it crystal clear from my standpoint that the... My expectation is that what you tell us you're going to build when it gets to the design phase and if it's approved tonight, that that's exactly what goes in and not some end-around loophole thing like that. I expect full transparency on what's going in, how it's going in, the way it's going to be affected. That you know how it's going to affect the Community how it's going to affect public safety, and so I just I want you, knowing that going into it because i've i've been pretty vocal in the past, about the about the drain of high density housing and it has on public safety. And so I just I just think it's fair to bring that out now I don't know if I mean i'm still a baby learning about all this planning and zoning stuff so.

feel free to correct me wherever you're actually right there's no there's no correction there needed that's absolutely right i totally understand your concern this is this is a situation where we're trying to be completely transparent this is the request being brought forward as far as um uh being able to to exactly be what you want it's the applicants asked for the hard zoning we brought the hard zoning forward um if it's not something that's acceptable to the council that's that's up to the council to decide um we have good faith. He's been a good applicant that we've talked to, but the zoning issues are RM16 and RM8, and that's just the application before you, and there's no development agreement.

But you're saying we still have to approve the final plan, correct? Yeah. So what if we do rezone it and then,

we don't like the final plan do we have a say or not actually well okay so so with entitlements um you could go right into our code and look under the chapter I think it's 1.07.010 that's uses that's a use table and that's a menu and the applicant can choose from a menu per their zone what's approved or what's permitted or needs a conditional use permit or what's not permitted So maybe to be completely clear, there is some flexibility built into the system. And it's not why staff needs a concept plan at this level. It's not why we tie them down to a certain development pattern or style. That's what the PUD overlay tool does that has been recently repealed. So this is just simple hard zoning. I hate to be repetitive, but the question is, does this zoning fit in this area? Does it fit with the general plan? Does it create land use issues? Does it follow good planning principles? These questions I think each have been discussed, at least touching on each one of those opinions tonight.

And there's the council's free to decide. That's why we brought it for you. We're just the avenue to bring that forward and to decide what is best.

I've heard a lot of questions tonight that seem to be very high-level conceptual of understanding the system, how it works. I would almost think it's a good idea to table and do our research and give our developer a fair know educated uh council opinion rather than just rushing into it um give us a chance to talk to the planning commission members i i feel strongly that it's hard for me to to see something come from planning commission that we don't take their counsel on or or their recommendation that's the whole goal of a planning commission is to be that first vote and and give us a recommendation they've recommended no I want to understand the why.

The no is conditioned upon the development agreement.

Correct. And so is that an option to approve with condition upon development agreement?

I would probably do continuance.

Continuance would be the tool.

To get clarification.

There's been a lot of due diligence from the applicant, a lot of meetings with staff. Planning Commission did their part and they held a public hearing. So the answer to your question is that's not necessary, but it's an option.

Why not necessary?

The research has been done.

And what is the recommendation to us then?

From the Planning Commission? Yeah, like you said, denial.

I think he's saying would the council have more time.

You're saying you as a council would like more time to research?

Yes.

And then that would be continuance.

To truly understand the issues behind it, what we're voting against. I think there's still a lot of ambiguity for those that are actually placing the vote tonight for the questions I'm hearing.

And to be quite clear, from sitting here in Las Vegas and over a screen, it's hard for me to take a temperature of the room. And to be honest with you, to table this and bring it back later, I think the odds go up for me personally for a yes vote.

Well, we still haven't had the public input part of the agenda, so that could help.

i'm just going to ask what um what would you guys like us to present per se for the exception of the zoning like what questions are we are we after that doesn't kind of fit this scope already i i think for me it's it's research understanding the current land use understanding of the getting a little bit more on the mpi right understanding the planning commission understanding all the details behind

but that's just for me personally i'm learning where i'm at you know with with this and i've researched a lot to to prepare as much as i know i'm more well this is just the questions that are coming up which that's where i'm concerned let's uh let's go to that public input on this very is that where we're at was there anywhere right yeah it's technically

so that way if there's somebody in the audience that can say or even the developer so we have a discussion discussion and public input of this very thing that we can have let's see where was it yeah i just read it it's 12-8 Okay, so we'll open it up for public input on that. And I guess the developer can say some more or somebody in the audience. Is there any in the audience that has something to say about this?

I'm Amanda Jones. I was one that pushed hard to not put all the dense housing in.

But according to our land use plan, I believe that this is a good place because as they were saying, it is in the core of the city. That's where it said the land use plan wants to put these type of developments. I feel awful for the developer.

I go to all these meetings and they just keep, they keep being put down and down and down and down and down.

And so for the area it is, the land use plan, I believe it's all in line. and I feel like you should support this and approve it for the zone change.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any others? Yeah.

I'm Michelle Markinall, and I've been to a lot of these meetings too, and I was concerned about this until I found out that the road would connect to 1000 North, because with only one egress out onto Main Street, like all that I think that'd be a big concern but having that go all the way to $1,000 I think helps this a lot and I'm in agreement with Amanda I if in the core of the city is where the denser the denser housing should go thank you and my concern is you know we've got some of these people grandfathered in for the PDUs I appreciate that they don't want to put in a PDU whereas when we get up on the hill and that's on the outskirts of town and that's where we don't want this this high density the I'm afraid they're going to push it and I believe it needs to be pushed farther down into the inner city closer to to where things happen in town and that i'm in agreement this would be a good place for this kind of density thanks any other do we we'll move to the next there's oh sorry

and greener i just want to point out this does not match the master land use plan until the city develops a plan and sticks to it we have no plan every time the developer buys a piece of property he runs up here to change either zoning or how he wants to build on it and it's up to the council to decide how our town wants to look this might be the right place I don't know but it does not match one point that again it does not match the master and plan so for our 110 and that's it well except that little strip is already RM 16 okay we've been talking about what waste treatment plant and where we're at with it right now

What are your thoughts? I'm trying to pull some information out of you that I need.

Water, we're converting culinary to secondary. I'm feeling good about that. I'm feeling panicked about the sewer, the treatment plant. But I feel like we're moving in the right direction there. So I want to keep doing that. is one of my huge concerns throughout this town. And we've seen the prior construction projects that we've had to detour people. They have to go three miles to go three blocks sometimes, you know? And so I like this design where the road goes straight through just like our transportation master plan calls for. I think that is really a critical key theme. to include here uh it seems like everybody's okay with the rm 16 as long as there's a road that goes all the way through and being between there and the freeway that seems to make sense to a lot of people i think i think the rm 16 rezone portion is the part that people are choking on To me, RM8 is not a whole lot different than the RM16 as far as the other utilities go. My big concern is the road and that we keep funding sewer and all the other things.

Does that help? Yeah. Go ahead.

And to say that comes later, as they've mentioned multiple times, this is really about what do we want the land use plan and zone to look like. development agreements, etc., still have to come to cover utilities and fire, lease, etc. That's all to come with the right to build on property, or the right for the zone.

Just to make sure that we're all on the same page of what zoning actually means, is it variation from the land use plan, as was mentioned? The zoning of the land use plan

We're not we're not approving Townhomes or the you know stock or any of that we're approving This is a density of that zone and what that zone looks like you're changing the entitlement of that zone, correct?

And that's and that's it. That's it You're changing the titles in the zone and that's not a decision that the staff to make that's not a decision that it's our job to just present the facts to you and and then support whatever So I have that idea.

And I think the conflict that I'm personally having is that planning commission is generally saying, no, that doesn't fit the land use plan. What I'm hearing from the citizens and most of the narrative partnership initiative, which is the whole goal of getting feedback on land use vision and is to be able to say yes to things of this nature generally from what the citizens are saying they would like to have.

Well, I do think Ben hit a really good point on we need to have a plan and that's why I think the general plan update that we're doing will have because the current land use plan does not account for the amount of growth that Tremont has seen and so it shows almost no growth in that section of the city and so that new general plan update will be critical in getting public feedback and getting a plan so that we know that when these things be brought forward to you, it's a lot easier for you to make a decision because you have a plan that we go off of. And so the current Linus plan does have it as low to medium density there, but you also have it already zoned as RM16. And so it's kind of confusing there. And in the land use plan, when you read in the land use plan, it says that the higher density should be concentrated where the people can receive the services. And, but there's so many multifaceted things to take into consideration in this. And so right now it's just at the entitlement stage, so.

I'm just, another, I'm just giving my two cents into hearing is, I think it fits there. I think the apartments all the way down the freeway fits I know we don't we you know we got the density but I don't we can't we're not doing our due diligence we can't stop apartments we just can't I mean people need different places people need things they can afford so for that spot over there now the r18 I'm kind of with the rmx close I mean we have that what's the in the visionary one over by the hospital. It's about the same thing.

No, that's an overlay with the multifamily housing. That one has different standards than our current hard zoning, the R18.

I mean, if I was to vote tonight, I would probably vote for it just because it's a spot. The road will all the way through. It will open up the other part. I mean, I think it's a good move forward.

I was just gonna say really quickly the reason like we're kind of going with the RM 8 over the RM 1 8 is we don't want to be stuck to just townhomes or we would have asked for that zoning we don't but for the RM 1 8 isn't that just

So there's RM16, RM8, and then R110.

What was the other one? Because that one only allowed us to do the multifamily, and we didn't want that zoning. We wanted to have the flexibility to be able to build single-family. That's RM8. Yeah, and that's why we're shooting for this one, not a higher zoning. We don't want to do full-on.

yeah i thought it was the other way anyway one more and then we'll you know lane wally um i think having the apartments along the treeway is a good idea that's my opinion i am a little concerned about the storm drains in the area as i recall not too long ago the streets were flooding there by that new car wash and so on and I have no idea how you're going to handle if we have storm problems like we had and we had flooding in that area but I think that needs to be addressed as well if you have a higher density housing means you have more asphalt which means you'll be putting more water into the storm drain system there so I think something worth considering I think it almost helped fix that by having that roadway

okay let's let's move uh yes do we wait for a motion after strategic business or we move to the discussion so how do we well maybe we're ready for a motion or whatever you want to do so we'll entertain is there a motion or something on this one ordinance 2609

I move to motion that we accept ordinance number 2609, rezoning Buchanan Estates.

I second.

Council member Boca?

Yes. Council member Orton? Yes. Council member Westerberg?

Yes.

Council member Lewis? Yes. Council member Jackson?

so now do we we're back to thank you 12b correct so we're going to have a discussion on this for ordinance 26 and amending the chapters 1.03 and 1.07 and that's you guys again thank you this should be a lot a lot quicker so appreciate your time and consideration

Well, to jump right into it, following a directive from the council on May 9 to start looking at our code and start tweaking things, well, we brought two repeals, which was like a blanket approach. Now we're going a little more surgical, and we're just going to propose some changes to the residential lot regulations. So right into it, the first change that we're proposing is a newer designation. for accessory structures. So accessory structures are, well, they're accessory to primary uses. But there's no real provision to look at smaller accessory structures like tough sheds or chicken coops or anything like that any differently than we would have to do for a full accessory structure, following setbacks in the process. Following the same setbacks for full accessory structures, same building height, those sorts of things. Okay. So the building code, the 2021 international building code does not regulate structures less than 200 square feet. That's a rational place where we could start looking at maybe a new designation. We propose small accessory structures. The definition is contained in your staff report. And we propose that these structures could be looked at a little differently than full accessory structures. The second change is in regards to just some inconsistency on the code where it talks about maximum building height for all buildings. And then just a few entries down in the land use table, it talks about, well, height for accessory structures. So for all buildings, it's 36 feet. for all buildings it's 36 feet and for accessory buildings it's 20 feet max height so it's kind of like which one is it so staff proposes just a simple tweak to call it all main buildings which includes things like houses and other commercial buildings so okay so then the third change um rides right on the coattails of the rezone discussion from tonight So in the RM8 zones and the RM16 zones, the purpose of those zones as outlined in our code, I'll just read one of them actually, to provide areas for higher residential density with the opportunity for varied housing styles and character for single family occupancy, maximum density, eight units per acre for attached housing. You have that statement, but then in the lot regulations just below in the table just below, the RM8 and RM16 zones specifically prohibit

single-family housing so we're just kind of looking at maybe making that a little more consistent as the zoning administrator it permits it in one section in the narrative and then it doesn't permit it in the table so we're wanting them to match so that's it for that one yeah and then the accessory dwelling um the accessory dwelling events i think jeremy missed over we're just changing the setbacks on the sides of those so that someone can give you the definition and give it in a definition we've we've gone over with the fire department to make sure that that that they're okay with this instead The definition is the small accessory structure will have no water, sewer, electricity, or anything like that. It's designated so that someone can put a touch shed or a chicken coop three feet from their line in certain zones versus five feet. And so just so that they can have a little bit more, you know, leeway and enforcing that on a co-op perspective is a lot easier. So those are the three changes that we have. I want to make a note that the Planning Commission voted five to one to approve these three changes. Five to zero. Yeah, sorry, five to zero. And he's got both in the staff report. He's got the three changes right here on one page. but then he's got the whole text if you wanted to read through the whole text.

So you can see them where they belong in their respective tables or sections.

So are there any questions on the three changes? The first one is to define what a small accessory structure is and to create better setbacks for them appropriate to each land use. The second one is for the height. discrepancy code to make it more uniform and then the third is for the single-family housing in the RM in the RM 8 and RM 16 zones so that it matches the narrative and the table matches so they're just corrections to the code any other any other questions we we have it as a public input does anybody in the public have any input

Michelle Martin, does this affect only those two zonings that you're talking about?

Or does it cover all zonings? The small accessory one is for residential zones. All residential zones, yeah. So what was the height? You said it was 36 feet in one place and 20 feet in one. So what do you make of the height?

20 feet for small accessory structures.

And 36 for main buildings.

It's just not clearly laid out. If you swing down a little, it'll make more sense. There we go. Oh, just above. Okay, so height regulations, maximum height for all, and then we're proposing to add the word main. Buildings and districts regulated by this subchapter or chapter shall be, and then it's 36 feet across the board, and then three entries down to the maximum height of an accessory building in feet, and then it lists all residential zones as 30 and 20.

Right, that was my question. Thank you.

okay i obtained a motion i'll make a motion that we adopt ordinance 2610 amending the definitions of the regulations of the small accessory structures i'll second it council member yes council member order yes council member westerberg yes yes yes yes

Thank you, Council. Appreciate your time.

Thanks, Christine and Julie.

So, yeah, now we need to, in strategic business, bring up Resolution 2646.

I'd like to make a motion that we table this resolution until the next council. I second.

All those in favor say yes.

Yes.

Okay, we'll table that until you put it on the agenda for next time. So everybody do your homework. So are we to report from the calendar?

Where is it on the calendar?

Yeah, so

Serve seats real quick. Thank you, council. As you know, the mayor has pushed for a priority list based off of the pillars that we have on to give some strategic direction to staff and goals for yourself. I wasn't able to be in attendance at the last meeting for the pillar three, but I understand that it went well and there was some good conversation. So moving on to pillar four, Mayor Rohde is not able to attend. So he asked me to continue that conversation on pillar four. Pillar four is the pillar that is connected to positive well-being. It's resident well-being and the fiscal capacity that sustains it. The strategic focus in this pillar is mental health, physical health, education, resilience, and lifelong success. The challenges that we see most within these pillars to discuss would be the high mental health needs. We do have high depression, anxiety, and trauma that is prevalent. Stigma and cost prevent residents from seeking help. Challenge number two consists of substance abuse epidemic. Drug use and alcoholism affects families across income levels burdening health and safety systems. Challenge three, small and fragile economic base. Heavy reliance on a narrow commercial sector leaves the city vulnerable to economic shocks and high fiscal burden on its residents. Challenge number four that we see in this pillar is water supply and sustainability. Growth and climate variability threaten long-term water availability, which is critical rural concern. And then the fifth challenge that we hear most from residents is fiscal capacity constraints. Limited revenue limits the city's ability to fund services residents expect as the city grows. mayor rodiaz has listed some desired outcomes uh on there um but along with those this is where we asked the council to discuss not only the challenges but also the desired outcomes and your direction that you would like to see uh move forward with with this pillar i hate to say it but everything goes on economically i mean

There isn't anything that we don't want to do if it's valid, but what money do we have? I mean, the concern is economic. I hate that. That's a cop-out, but it's real.

That is a major concern, not only with staff, but also with residents. on things and it does drive a lot of the concerns that we see on this paper.

Is that okay, Blair, the need for funding and strengthen economics?

Yeah. I've been very happy with a lot of what Parks and Rec is doing to bring us together. I was at that event the other night again in the park with food and people mingling I think that does more for mental health than probably anything is just being together and having opportunities like that. So, I mean, those are definite outcomes that I think are providing mental health. We need each other, right? And so we gotta keep that up. That's a definite outcome that I would like to see us

Is that in a positive light? Does that work just a bit? Just anyone up there.

And the youth are now also going to do a teen night, and it just keeps growing. And the more we do that, the more it has. I mean, it's just the community is feeding each other, and that's what we're after. We're gonna be hearing about the main street outlets that are coming.

and the things that that's gonna do to bring us together as a community and be proud of the place we live.

I think being part of a tribe and being happy to be a part of that tribe, Seth Godin is an author that talks about that and just, we all wanna be a part of a tribe, right? And we gotta be proud of that. And so we just gotta keep doing that kind of stuff that makes us proud to be from Tremont.

I had an opportunity to attend the banquet the other night. It was small and intimate, but it was about positive effects that people do in Tremonton. And there's good things happening. There really is. And the people that were highlighted in this banquet, I found it rather interesting because it was not just from one sector or one walk of life. Two people, they were highlighted on caring for fur babies, two school teachers. Mean it was and it was good to see that people were out looking for the good and when I said These last two community events we've had at Shewin Park That's the most positive thing you can do meeting getting out talking with people and They want that they want that connection again. I think we've missed that so the connection and looking for the good and

I think the mugs and bananas, all the people that showed up. Oh, that was fun. I had the truck, and I just parked in Main Street, but I thought people had been back here forever. They'd just draw walking by or whatever. It was positive. Everybody was more relaxed. Yeah.

I saw a land in Malaysia. I haven't seen it in 15 years.

You get a group of Jets in Seattle, and you're going to have fun. Yeah.

That's really true. That is very true. But it was tough. Mugs and bananas was a blast.

okay council um a lot of what i've heard is um based around community and coming together and gathering and that is the connection part is is who we are that is our whole brand is connecting with residents connecting with the community connecting with nature connecting with our surroundings with the valley um And that's something that we are focused on as a city. Does the council have any direction on strategic ways to go about the things that you've suggested or ideas that you would like to see as we wrap up this pillar by pillar discussion and put it as a whole as we come together in the future?

I think the part of the trails also is something that is part of the master plan. You know, I was playing basketball in my backyard the other night. Well, it was a little while ago. But I had the news camera. KSL was in the back. I was like, what is that? And I looked over, and they were standing there. You know, the Sorenson Estrada walk had happened. That trail behind my house is used constantly.

I didn't get a report in, like, we had an update, but maybe this would be a good time for it. We had some, the plan department has had some really good conversations with UDOT. And they have a central trail system that the state mandated. And they've got $45 million that they have to allocate every year for a central trail. And I've been talking to your doctor. Yes, that's what we're working on. And they want to come to Utah. We just have to amend their map. And I'm in the process of going through the amendment process. So because their map, they didn't get our input. And we just have to amend their map and apply for get our trail system on their map, and then they will fund our trails 80 to 20%. And so it will be huge. There are two trails that I'm petitioning for the funding for, our central trail, and then also from 1000 North, where the hospital is, the canal coverage all the way down into Tremont Street. And we're looking for funding for both of those options from the state, and that's what we're We're super excited about that, super positive experience. That's something that I think will be coming in the next few years.

Yeah, I would definitely put that as an outcome because it feeds each other. We've seen just the other night, our local elders quorum is meeting down there to go on walks.

Yeah.

Right? I mean, it breeds.

events it breeds opportunities for people to be together and i see a lot of people alone walking getting clarity and you'll you'll hear more about this as we pre present the um parks trails and open space master plan but when we did our needs assessment trails. And another thing I'll talk about later, we're the number one priorities of residents and what they want to see. So it does add to that, the mental health and connecting with nature, which does help.

So several years ago, a few years ago, on the south end of town, developers had to put so much towards the trail system. That money's still there.

I am not familiar with what you're talking about per se, but I do know the central trail system We have easements all except for one property And but we can start working on that.

So I'm wondering if That was part of what I think on that the developers have to put so much towards I remember like when I said those meetings in 2018 and 19

it depends that was it probably would have been negotiated with each individual development and then i do know that a lot of like we are shovel ready for our central trail system and you got was super excited to hear that because that's where that's where funding will go first and so that's i've already had two conversations with it so super excited about that wonderful thanks christine wonderful

Is that it?

That's up to council. If council has no more discussion, then.

Any more discussion on this?

No. I think we're about to talk about the other part that I think would be really good for general well-being.

Yeah. So, yeah. So that's it for me. We'll take these items here. And Mayor Rohde and some... advisory staff will work on putting together more of this strategic framework to bring back with your priorities that you've listed out throughout the four pillars and then we'll present those to you and what you've determined and go move forward from there so that's it for me thank you yeah i'll get a picture and present

So since I've got six papers, where are we now? Main Street.

You're doing wonderful, Brian. Main Street's in the RDA. Main Street's in the RDA. The different meetings.

Yes, we need to close this meeting. Yeah, I think we're just in report, so then close session.

So the main first report is the family report.

Sure. I've been out of the office for a week enjoying some much-needed family time, so the city's been running great. I did get notification on the phone that I did, my final report got approved, so we will get that other 10% of our $1.1 million grant we got a few years ago for the equalization basements and the ASR. That got approved, so they should, they may have already sent it, but we should be getting $110,000 to finish up that grant. That's good news, because I'm not a grant writer. Figure it out, I guess. We are now. Any, Dustin's here.

Anything from you? We covered most of it in our time together, so I will make it into your time. That came, anything more? So upcoming events, one thing I do have that I got from the mayor is there's a open house at the hospital. Thursday, is it Thursday evening? I don't have my phone.

Thursday at 11 o'clock is the brunch. 1130 is the official open house.

And then there's other things. He would like the city represented there. I have a thing at nine. I don't know if I'll be back, but I'm going to try to go. But if there's anybody else can go.

I'm going to try and go. I will leave what I have committed to. 30 minutes early.

Okay.

I will leave that a little bit early, but I'm going to go over.

And you said it starts at 11 or 11 today? It's July 8th.

It's tomorrow. July 8th.

It's tomorrow. Oh, is it tomorrow?

Yeah, I have to branch 11 a.m., but I'm cutting 11.35.

Good thing you're looking. Yeah, Thursday is the...

I'll be in the hospital for a doctor's appointment at 9. There you go. Stay and hang out and get some brunch.

If somebody else can go.

I will. It's tomorrow. July 8th.

I will still be in Vegas.

But I would gladly leave.

It's hot here.

So calendars. We have

uh they left the summer concert right at human park and then the our payday is the 24th and 5th and then the the emotional wellness committee will meet will not meet until september so do we need anything about paydays back um so yeah so it is

We'll have the city council breakfast, so you'll need to be in attendance for that. That'll be on Saturday morning. Breakfast starts at 8. We're trying to be there by 7. The police have a volunteer also for that. Last year was the first year without Paul, and the police stepped up, and they loved being part of that. We had Nick in the back cooking sausages. So hopefully he wants to do that. But it was awesome how many people came together for that. The night before, on Friday night, we do have a community dinner. So this year's theme is based off America 250 for heydays. So it's a patriotic thing with America 250. And we're also working with the American Legion to do a fundraiser community dinner. support our veterans and things that they so they'll be there also serving but typically the council has been there to help cook and serve there and mingle with the with our residents which time is friday do we need to be there that's friday at six so i would say friday at five okay what are we serving That's true, we did. Yeah, it'll be the same as last year.

At James Stevens.

At James Stevens, yeah, James Stevens Park. Another thing, so Hay Days is our final concert of the year for our summer concert series. So the 11th we do have Dale Major and company. They performed at Hay Days last year. They're kind of a fiddle. duo and they were pretty they were pretty good so i encourage you guys to come to that if you would like but also directly after that it's not up there um but the bear um group um fox elder repreendum uh accountability referendum uh that group um they uh put in a small event permit for to host a movie in the park and it's going to be about information on the data center so that'll be at shuman park right after the concert so okay so on the 11th yeah a lot going on

There's a correction on that. The fourth Wednesday, I think that's the 24th of July weekend, or there's a holiday, there's a conflict with the committee chair, and they won't be in town, so they wanted to combine onto the third Wednesday with the West District, I think. And so we're going to combine those two. But they're Wednesday nights, except for the last Wednesday, the last we don't have on. Okay?

Okay. All I have is that.

Am I missing something?

We have RDA after closed session.

We have closed session first in this meeting.

So we have to have a motion. We're going to closed session for a litigation. That's what it is. So I entertain a motion. I'll make a motion that we go into closed session. I'll second that.

And. Is there a roll call?

Council Member Bulka? Yes. Council Member Oyler? Yes. Council Member Lester? Yes.

Council Member Lewis?

Yes. Council Member Jackson?

so we'll go in a closed session it'll just be us and then we will have that yes