City Council - Regular Meeting

Hey, everybody scoot over. Make room for people. Come on, don't be rude. They're not here.

How are you? We'll start off with Do we have any declarations? Would like to excuse. debates. Do we have any of

none? Um, okay. So, tonight we've got a pretty full schedule, so I would just ask everyone that can to be as very succinct as they can, but please give us the information you have. So, that might like to start with you with council reports. I did a couple of they everybody probably seen the new ambulances up and going. Uh they're just getting all that. They're just plugging away. They I mean we're going to go over that tonight here. So other than that talking to Jeff that's okay. Um economic development wise uh we'll be talking about street America. So that's exciting. Um, and I don't know that there's much else to talk about or report on besides that that they've had meetings. Um, they have got up and going um with the permission that we gave them in that last meeting. We will obviously pass the resolution tonight to to formalize that. Um, they um they're excited and there's a lot moving and we filed the application with Main Street America. So hopefully we'll receive that soon. Um and once we do off to the races. So if we can see Main Street um obviously things decisions will be brought here um before they get completed if you will or move forward. You'll know all along the way. I was thinking a quarterly meeting or quarterly report in these meetings having them report to us in the uh in the workshops just so that we're up to speed with where they're headed, what the vision is, why why they're doing what they're doing. Um so if you have any other questions, let me know. We can talk about it too when we're talking about street America. Um yesterday's meeting and the approval of the data

center is going to change a lot of things uh from an economic development perspective. Um I'm going to be going to work on finding all the ancillary businesses etc that are going to be wanting to come here. Um and I'm assuming the state level people are going to be um having influence on that also. So, lots to do with um recruitment so we can get revenues up and um I'm actually really excited about that. One other thing that um is on my mind that I've been kind of looking into and I'd love to kind of get with you on is sales tax revenue leakage and the possibility of some sales tax revenue that we just from a processes standpoint might not be collecting that we could be. Um, and I've got a couple of ideas there. And I was going to chat with you, Lindsay, about where we're at and what we've been doing. It's pretty normal that in a city like ours, if we haven't done a pretty robust study or dove into it a lot, that there's usually about 5 to 10% leakage. Um, and I I anticipate we could have upwards of 300,000 to be able to add to the budget just by really auditing and making sure that the businesses that are on the tax commission registry are actually aligning with um, you know, where we're getting our revenues. Um, and there's some things that we might have to do. So I might need be a there's a there's a there's one there's limited people that can see um the sales tax data by entity and the economic development person can be added to that list. So we might have to request that and then get me added so that I can see the data because it's kind of hard to drive

you know at the end of the day technically a sales tax revenue comes from um the businesses and if I don't know what the NICS code is that's actually generating our revenue it's hard for me to like recreate that I want to recreate the good sales tax revenue generated in the in Kansas City and I needed to look at it by NIC code and the sales tax commission gives us that data. What is that? Um NIC is like national what is it? North American industrial

code something. Yeah, it's a standard code that all businesses have to adopt when they create their their entity. I suspect though that there are businesses for example not it's sorry I used the wrong word not create they have to indicate what they fall into off the list like when you get your

Yep. So I think there's some things that we could do just to double check that we're buttoning up the process for sales tax revenue so that we're not leaving any revenue on the table that should be and it's not in anybody that's avoiding it necessarily. There are some businesses that maybe business licensewise were not actually charging. And then there's other people who, you know, like Kings that just moved in the AC and it may be that like they originally filed from building. I don't know where they're coming in from, but it may be that they filed originally in building and that's where they're filing with the state tax commission. Move into a building over here. Is the tax commission getting updated with that? And that's leakage. That's typical, but that could be really good revenue. You know, 10 and 20. I mean, there's there's there's a lot that could add up fast. So, that's something that's on my mind that I'm working on.

Yeah. That could that could really dramatically impact our budget. And so, I'm starting there with our current revenues while we're also cing in new stuff. So, that's where my head's at. Thank you.

And parks and wreck. I got to be honest, I didn't get up to speed with uh with Zack before I got here, so I don't have an update there. Thank me. Thank you so much. All right. And I went to the emergency management training on Sat last Saturday. It was fantastic. Uh four hours to sit in the chair. Every minute was worth my time. Nate is phenomenal in this city and what he is trying to do and what he's trying to accomplish. We spoke briefly after the meeting and he and I says, you know, if we don't know what our role is that is, we're going to mess things up and so it was well worth it. I would encourage anyone that hasn't taken it to take that. Um, planning department, um, we have a new city planner. His name is Jeremy Lane. He comes to us from Morgan County and he's the he worked in the planning department in Morgan County. So he does come with knowledge and experience and I am watching and seeing new things happen with Jeremy and Christine and they're really busy. Now Christine sent me an email and it says planning department has been actively working to refine internal processes and improve coordination between departments. major focus um ensuring that development applications review procedures and associated fees are being properly applied applied department is also working closely with public works engineering finance administration and the esteem attorney to improve improve how infrastructure obligations development agreements and stuff like that are evaluated and the overall goal is to improve efficiency and strengthen accountability and they'll do it there's there's not a doubt in my Then I meet met with my public work people today, Mr. Carl and crew. It's always a fun

time. It's it's the highlights in my two weeks. Okay, we discussed secondary water and the secondary water will turn on May 11th. So just put that in your back pocket so that you know that that's coming on. Secondary water expansion for homes in East with it fasttrack. It will start next week. and Jones and Associates and one of Carl's employees went around and they contacted every home whether and they left a flyer if no one was home. This way they're ensuring that we don't have the problems we've had in the past because the homeowner can actually say I would like my box here because if it's there they hopefully will utilize it. That's what it is. the east canal.

If there is a box already there, will they just assume it? Should there? I have one in my yard. I put a box for secondary when it comes in. Oh, they'll let somebody I see there's a We just thought it had Do you need Do you need a can spray? I think we'll understand. That purple box. Okay. Okay. So just coordinate with Carl and crew or somebody so that they don't give you guys star gold star. That's more like

probably that I live in the same neighborhood and I don't have

the secondary water.

Okay. The East C canal equalization basin is coming along great and it should be completed June 15th. They're finishing the final grading and they are putting the fence up. I drove by today and they were putting the fence up in the rain. Bless their hearts. Tmont Street and 100 West Culinary Waterline Replacement is progressing well. Hopefully, it should all be done by May 31st if all goes well. Tmont Street, the connections are pretty much done. They have a couple more to do. Then they'll hop over and finish First West and then they will come back in and do all of the repainting at the same time where it's one company. Rocket Road construction is ongoing, but it has been delayed for just a minute. The company that's doing it had to go to another project in a hurry and they are coming back. Temporary road closures will be in place um as they pour curb and gutter in sidewalk and pave the road. Uh, the goal is to close out by the end of the month. Hope they do.

We got to get them poles moved. I Yes, talked to Rusty and I called the number two. I got the same thing you guys got. I say we just yank them out. Well, I actually said that on my thing saying we're just gonna we got to have them out of there. Oh, I think they're just supposed to go to the next poll, right? There's there's uh I think there's three utilities still have to move off of the couple of holes there and they try to do it in order. I mean Wayne just told me it's going to hold it up.

No, it's definitely holding it up. My my thought was similar to yours. I thought about and I thought then the second show Yeah. The second option is we could just build around it and then require them to come back and fix everything and rebuild there. We could do that. I don't have the cloud. So you two have cloud. So move forward like that. Well, I just I called Wayne called Rusty said everybody's called but probably help to call get more people to call. So are we calling Rocky Mountain?

No, it's a it's not power. Should we hire professional protesters? Yeah, we should have them over there. But again, first night I saw this was Illinois, so I don't know where they are at. This lady was in. Send me a number and I'll see if I can be a little assertive. Oh, they won't. Nobody's talking to me yet. Don't make me get my Don't make me put you in my bubble. Okay, on the next thing we're going to move to really really fast. Um, Main Street, you probably noticed that they're doing some work on the sidewalk

south side. They are taking out the really bad rough spots and replacing the cement where they can just grind down the sidewalks. That's what they're doing. And then they're going to go to the north side. There is a section on the north side in front of Simply Stage that is tore out which needed to be tore out and they're working on it. So, this is a work in progress. So, let's just give them a little bit of patience with that. Um, one thing I've I've been asked with that, just so that everybody's aware, is wait, I thought you were putting trees back in and now you're filling them up. So, just just so you're aware that that's been asked. Oh, I have been inundated with that. So, yeah.

What I have been telling people is the answer is no, we're not. I'll be the guy. No, we're not. We're just peeons. We just make it safe. Absolutely. I just said right now we need safe residents as we can. This is what we're doing because we know change. But we needed to fix some bad spots and so people have kind of calmed down a little bit and that's been wonderful. Okay. Treatment plant is an ongoing project. They conducted the sour test standard oxid oxidiz oxidization update rate. There you go. or something or something like that. Okay.

The oxygen isn't there in the tank where it's supposed to be there. I'm not going into detail. Um they ordered oxygenators and they're waiting for the right size cable before they can actually turn the system on. They got they got it today and they installed it today in Well, way to go. The cables are there. It's installed. Is have they been turned on? Um no. Okay. They will be turned on. They have the power run to run those things. We're going to be good. Um, it's been a crappy situation. Think you're not downwind from it. I can't open my windows. I made the mistake.

I was there today and I complained.

I'm going to take a quote from Carl. Just kind of go through this. I added a little bit to it, Carl. So, bear with me. Think of the treatment plant as a championship game. All right? If we go in prepared and we are planning ahead and we do all the preparations, we're going to come out and win it. Well, this is now this is not me talking. This is not Carl. We're a little behind the bus. We're not ahead. It's going to take a lot to catch up on. And with everything that's projected to come to Tree Mountains, we need to be a little proactive or we're going to lose this battle and we're going to come in last place. Did I do okay?

Sure. Okay. Sorry. All right. Um there we go. You got anything?

Yeah. Um, so as I mean I guess this part of it doesn't change, but uh the police department's running on on a red line. Um, I I do need some I do need some clarification. Um I I've seen back and forth a lot of you know a lot of budget talks and proposals and things like that and I I've spoken with some department heads who haven't been included in any budget discussions and I'm curious Why? I'm curious why that is and why those that are running the departments aren't aren't seated in the middle of these. I mean, they they are our experts. They're the they're the ones that that we're relying on to to say, "Okay, we have this much money. This is what we can do with it. I I I have a problem with the I have a problem with the lack of communication. And it's not just us being liaison with them to to talk every every week or every couple of weeks, but this is like this is real this is real stuff. Like I've I've seen a couple of different ones and and I and it still doesn't answer the question for me. And so I'll I'll ask it now. Is the is the current budget proposal

the the most readily available? Are we cutting any public safety positions? There has been one FTE requested not a position that's already filled by somebody. Okay. It's the one that they gave up suspended. There's still, we don't know how that actually ended up, but they gave one away to get the wages up to a rate last year. Okay. So, I had that in the original budget that we brought just in April to show you guys, and that's where we were only saving $37,000 revenues over expenses, right?

We're going to go through the budget pretty detailed about those things today. Okay. So, are we going to are we going to address are we going to address all that, too? Because I mean, you want to talk about falling behind and and I'm I'm reading through the minutes of the of that meeting where the where the decision where the decision was made and it's not entirely clear what what happened. Go back and watch the YouTube alerted. There's a lot more in there than the minutes. The uh

well, and I I guess where I'm one of the things that I want to that I want to mention is that part of the part of the things that we decided we were going to do as as this council is that we were going to we were going to go through and we were going to do things by the book, right? And it led us to having to redo some things with the with the PDS and things like that. And we also need to make sure that stuff like that is done on on if that if that position was was rifted or if it was so whatever it is that that we're doing. But our our crime rate is not going down. Um it it's just it's not and we I I've gotten a couple of calls from some residents asking why we can't uh do some some target enforcement and various spots through the through the city. I said because right now we do not have the manpower to to just run run radar for an hour. I mean, somebody gets set up and then call comes in and they're and they're gone. And so, we've got residents with concerns over over speeds in their neighborhood. Thousand north, you know, those are those keep coming. We still get calls on the on the semis coming up and and we can't do anything about it. And I just I want to make sure that as we're as we're looking ahead that we're not that we're not taking one step forward just to turn around and take two steps back. And so I I would hope that in our discussions that we are that we're actively engaging and that the public has the opportunity to to hear from our department heads and I understand the the liaison and things like that where I mean take take me for example. Does

does the public want to hear from me on on stuff or do they want to hear from the police chief? They I would imagine they probably want to hear from the police chief. Same with fire chief. Same with Carl. Um, same with Zach. I I think there are ways of of being efficient with our time and being efficient with all these things and and not making it look like we're like we're intentionally not communicating and and that's the concern. And so I'll I'll save the rest for when we get into the into the budget, but just know that's the that's what I've been wrestling with is that I want to make sure that that the the things that are being communicated are the are the same to everybody and that it's and that it's clear. I mean, that's the effective communication, right? Effective communication is message sent, message received, message understood. And when we don't have effective communication, then problems happen. And I just want to make sure that we are communicating effectively as a council, as a group, as as neighbors, as a community, as departments. Can I ask you a quick question? Was that communicated in the heads meetings? Clearly, has that message come across to you through police chief to the heads

about the message about communication? Uh, so yes, we talked about it. It's department meeting with other department heads.

Okay, we can we can visit more on that. I I I I feel like we've done a lot of good things in in our communication, but if that's not the case, we'll we'll improve. Anything else? Okay. We had a a presentation from EDC Utah, but I'm wondering if you thought it was six. So, we'll move on to six. Yeah, they may show up at six. So, we'll just try to get through the rest of this before they get here. Resolution 26-20. Um, that you

Yes. Uh, yeah. So, are there any questions on this resolution? I mean, it's we're we're adopting the the Main Street America program where there's a model that works um rather than reinvent the wheel. we've had failures and wins, you know, with our main street committees and we're just going to we're going to take a model that we know works and and we're going forward with it. So, um we've applied for that. Um we plan to move forward with it. Um and then Kelly Wood is going to be serving as the main street director. And um there is a clause in Main Street America where the Main Street director is supposed to be compensated. They recommend that. So we may need to compensate Kelly. Um she actually is hesitant to receive compensation just because of you know the the view of that and doesn't it's not necessarily driving her um in any way. but she, you know, she she obviously would be willing to receive that if that's part of Main Street America's recommendation. So, it is a lot of work um to get this done effectively. It it does require quite a bit of time and effort and so we want to make sure that, you know, she is putting in adequate time to pull off what we have to pull off.

She's been doing a lot of work. We visited the other day for about an hour. She's incredible and she's she has a vision. I'd like her vision and there it's a four-part approach um and you know that those four parts are all intertwined and you know complicated in their own there's design and um there you know so anyway any questions I'm excited to see what happens I think and I talked about that we'll probably set up a contract for that Okay. And I think the funds come from the

fine.

There is the other thing that I think is important to point out is I think we'll do it through the RDA for now. Um, Main Street America does recommend um over time transitioning to a 501c3 which would be for that downtown area. Um, I hesitate a little bit, but also I trust their recommendations. So, um, for now though, you know, we do have the funds sitting in the RDA ready to go. I did have a couple questions with you on how those funds are going to move around as they come in and you know what that exactly looks like just so that we but from what I understand is the RDA period ends in 2032 or the 4.3 whichever one is first something like that.

Okay. And so we may have to have allocations done if the city's going to be utilizing any of that for sidewalks and things of that nature. Right. So, we've got to make sure that's all game plan. What do you need from us from the mainstream committee? The truth, the whole truth. Um, really though, is there a spreadsheet at timing? Uh, like as as funds start to get spent, what do we need to do as a main street committee?

And this is something and now that we have some additional resources, we're going to be talking about that the summer and we can identify a lot of those needs. Um, a lot of it's like timing out when exactly payments and when does when does the city become eligible to take in all of the the revenues um projection of what those revenues are um so we know what we're dealing with, but we can build that off this summer and come into the fall with a really good game plan.

Are all of our liability obligations on that fulfilled at this point? We made all the payments. I think there's still one or one and a half payments that are due as it currently stands. There still could be some more improvements come up, but that's where we need to develop our game plan and really get on top of things. Okay. So, we just need a month or two um now that we have more help. Okay. So, um, the one thing I do want to comment on, and I know I'm far away from the mic, but, um, 501c3, just be aware that there are accounting rules out there, okay,

that the city has control and there's lots of different aspects that you have to go through determine control. It's very, it's not one thing. you you walk down through a sheet that 501c3 could actually be forced to be included in the city's financial statements which means it would have to be subject to audit and there's some rules there. So we just need to be careful as we create that to understand what we can do to either know that it's going to be included or decide what it takes to keep it excluded. Do you have a recommendation on which route we go? I included the language here to say it's a potential option if we decide to go there. It's a thing. Just so that you were aware in the resolution that that could be a a route we go without locking it in. So that was why I wrote it that way.

Yeah. I mean I we we can we can adjust it and get it ready. It's just I don't want a 501c3 operating out there without the understanding that they have the potential to be audited and included in the city's financials. That's the biggest thing to communicate. You can do it either direction. It just creates some complications, could increase some costs to the city. So now you're auditing one more entity in essence. And correct me if I'm wrong, one of the reasons that a city would consider doing that is just longevity and then also corporate funding of, you know, if a data center were to come in nearby that wanted to donate to that nonprofit, they could.

Exactly. It becomes easier for other entities to donate because they don't like to donate to governments per se. Their structure is to donate to a nonprofit. is that would that be the sole driver that you that that's one of that's one of the main drivers. Okay. Um that comes into play. So we probably cross that bridge when a donation becomes a potential reality that andor the the funding from the RDA dries up and you're not sure you want to continue functioning with that mechanism. Okay. I mean there's wasted where where the RDA doesn't have to function solely with tax increments. they can function with other revenue sources. Okay,

it's just designed for redevelopment. It's it's just that is the tool that you used in order to capture tax increment. Um but it can function in other ways. For a while that RDA was functioning just collecting taking money for transfers from the general fund. Yeah. And functioning to do main street improvements. And is there an option to change the map at all? only through a course of action that legal process that we go through just the tax commission the what what is that tax the all the entities that get together right tech committee

it's a does do they have to approve that or that's only for the project area that would would where you would collect a tax increment from the actual RDA boundaries are adjusted through studies and technically there's a whole bunch technical rule, legal rules that you jump through, but that's more of a function of the city council. And so that defines the area, the boundaries

of what the RDA is based off of all the legal descriptions. And then the tech takes and says, "Okay, within this this area," and it could be the whole boundaries or a portion of the boundaries and says, "We're going to we're going to take the tax increment from that defined area and and collect the tax increment for this purpose." So the tech can be a subset of the entire RDA or it could take up the entire RDA boundaries. But the adjustment to the RDA boundaries is done by the city council through be a study of legal. It's a legal boundary adjustment.

And the only reason I asked that, the main street committee asked because there's a park or there's that strip of grass that's just past the stop light on the left hand side. Uh just if you go down through Yeah. Harris Park. And then there's also these two buildings. We do a lot of our stuff. Our events come, you know, the parade comes right down this road. And there's this building that's straight across the street and then a couple of that way that they feel like are just such key pieces of the whole Main Street area that they'd like to include in some of these projects. And so they were wondering if we'd be able or willing to

adjust that. So that's a legal process. So I I' I'd recommend bringing your legal counsel in to define what the legal process is of going through that because there's legal definitions that you have to meet in order to jump through and you have to have certain um meetings and study stuff.

Anybody considering that? I just have one question on the is there a what's the downside to I I mean if we're going to have an energy that's a 501c3 and that it would be subject to audit don't don't we want to don't we want to subject anything that we're involved with to audit like I'm maybe I'm not understanding why that would be a negative great great audit

great great question it's the challenge comes in scale. So, if you have a 501c3 and let's say it does a decent job and it collects $100,000 because many of these 501c3s are really small, a an audit of an entity of that size, the starting price for a lot of them would be no less than 6,000. It could be as high as 15,000 depending on what they're subject to. And so, there's a lot of huge costs that go into it for not from speaking as a as a you don't get a lot of benefit out of it. Um it it it it's really hard.

There's forms that have to be filled every year for I mean I Yeah, that's when I when I expensive the state fraternal order police. We had the the 501c8 when we had 501c3 that was our our charity nonprofit and we would take money in there and with a recognition understanding that in a C3 it's one way like money can go in but it can't go out to other than for expenses except for to another to another C3. um our our annual filings on I mean we're we're taking in you know probably about 100,000 a year and and our annual filings were 1,500 bucks that that was for the tax forms

that was on the tax form but even even on the auditing we got audited by the IRS twice and maybe that's totally different than what a financial statement I'm just I'm just trying to figure out why I guess does it do anything to the transparency of the of the city funds if we're if we're not doing something taught. Maybe that's where I'm where I'm it's really just kind of a formality with another board which we would have represented from. Right. The money is still audited the regular way. It's just not audit if we don't do the seat. Correct. All our stuff's audited.

Everything within the city is audited. But if you form a separate legal entity and it had like I let me give you an example. Um if you form a 501c3 I'm I'm 50 if you form this and it has a board of five people and the city appoints three city appoints three of those positions. It would be deemed controlled by the city because you would have a financial majority and it would be sub become subject to audit and the auditors would have to look at their set of books, all of their assets that they have, all of their liabilities, they have all their operations and they have to issue an opinion of how that's functioning and that it that's a lot more than an IRS audit coming through and saying, "Okay, can you satiate just your receipts?" I mean

that it's just such a different level of what so then how's that money now? How's the RDA going? the RDA is part it comes through this it comes through the city's records and all of it subject to what the controls that the city already has where if the RDA is functioning completely separately they would have to have their own bank accounts have their own cash receiving process cash dispersement process and all that would have to be audited completely separately and it just drives your costs up so essentially unless we get substantial donations the state will keep it unless I'll bring that to you guys.

The next one is a resolution for the renaming of the post office. Uh I read the letter last time, a letter from me. Um with your permission, I put together a resolution that made this coming from the city council, not just the mayor. Just make sure you have that correct. He's not a son. He's a sen. in is it it's wrong adherence. Okay. So when when we pass that will you guys make sure that we we pass it with that that correction. Okay. Um do you need me to read it or are you guys comfortable with I read it? Okay. I think it's a great thing. Really is

positive. Okay. Um, we have um EDC Utah here if you would like to come up. It's it's Greg. Yep. Greg, come on up and have a seat up here. Greg is from Salt Lake. Yep. And we appreciate that. Yeah.

And he's got a little presentation for us. So, thank you. Well, uh I'm assuming I have the floor. That's okay. Great. Um well, we appreciate the partnership that we have with Fremont. And so, um Mayor Road asked me to come up and just give you a little update on EDC Utah and what we work on um and how we support your community. So, I have a a deck that should take the rest of the meeting, but I'm just kidding. Um uh but we were founded about 40 years ago uh to really bring jobs and prosperity to Utah. Um so our mandate is to uh to work with companies that are expanding within or into Utah and help them find locations around the state. Um we're a unique uh economic development organization because we're statewide. A lot of EDOS's around the country tend to be regional focused. So what that means is that we're the welcome net mat for a lot of these companies along with go. Um can't call them go yet, but they're changing their name soon. Um so we work with these companies to really highlight our community partners and and just dictate where they should uh take a look across the state for locations. So if you want to scroll up there. Um so we're a team of about 15 people. Um our biggest the biggest part of our team is our business expansion services. So that's our project managers. So if you're receiving our RFIs um that's the team that sends out those as um and we highly encourage you to engage with them. If you have questions on projects at all, please reach out to them.

They're happy to answer any questions that you have. Even if there's a project that's not designated towards, you know, northern part of Utah, but you think it would be a good fit, we would love to hear from you. Um, so, uh, ju just please engage as much as possible. Uh, we have a research team that does primary and secondary research as well. And so, um, primarily what we do is support our project needs with the research. Um, so if they want some data around uh age po and population growth and things like that, we provide all of that for free to these projects that are coming in. So the membership services that Tmont pays into and other community partners and private sector partners really goes to support that mission of of uh allowing us to do that and working with these companies. And then we have an expansive partner network. So you're a part of that. Um, and uh, I met with Mayor RH about a month ago, a month and a half ago. And you know, we would I'm here to support you in whatever you need, whether if you're looking for what are other communities going doing to benchmark. I'm happy to share the insights that I have. Um, if you're looking for private partners as well, the private uh community um that you've got a project that you're working on and need some expertise on it, let us know. Let us help you in making those and facilitating those introductions. If you want to scroll up, um, now I think Utah's really blessed with having a a very diverse economy and that's not by default. uh that's strategic choices of really going after a lot of different types of companies to bring them into Utah. It's not always been that way. Um

we are heavily uh have focused on mining and agriculture years and years ago and we paid a penalty for that. So um that's why the state has these these strategic focuses on job growth. Um and you can see that that's really paid off in dividends. So what this means for Utah and for communities like yours is that when we have downturns, we don't feel it as much and we come back a little bit faster as well. You can skip that. That's about a a five minute video. Uh we've got a business development team as that I talked about if you want to scroll up there. So um on average we have about a hundred companies that we're working with. we call them projects. Um and uh we typically close about 20% of those a year. And so um the the team works hard in really attracting those companies. Um Brian Starks, our executive director, is actually a site selector conference with the state this week uh to talk to companies. Um and the the measurements that we really benchmark on are what are the number of jobs that we're bringing into the state, what is the capex, and what is our square foot absorption. So you can see that 2026 was a little bit down uh so far, but we are not the end at the end of our fiscal year um yet. Um and we have actually seen a big uptick in projects over the past couple months. um just because there's a there you know Tmont may not get a project wind uh right away there is a lot of activity across the state and I just wanted to highlight site visits. So this is

company coming into Utah and wanting to to see locations around the state. So, this kind of gives you a a big overview of how far and wide we really travel across the state to to bring opportunities in. Um, so we're always looking for more ways that we can highlight our communities. And, you know, that's where a greater partnership is is really crucial there that we know where your what your sites are, what you're working on, and we can highlight those as as projects come in. Um we bring site selectors to Utah. So a site selector is kind of like a broker in a way. Um but they just work with companies and help them find a location around the country. Uh so we have 800 plus um site selectors in our network that we work with and they're constantly taking a look at Utah, calling us about projects, seeing if that's a good fit for Utah. So our team uh feels those calls. Um ways to engage. You can see that our RFIs. If any of your team would like to be on the list, Mayor Row that is not currently on the list, let me know. I'm happy to include you and so that you're getting these emails. Um and then you can ask those questions as well. Real quick, we got these RFIs. I've built an anthropic skill that's looking at

the project data and validating or not validating. Awesome. And then it it creates a a packet if if it fits. Great. Perfect. Okay. So, those have been really helpful.

Okay. Okay. Great. Um, we have a number of events as well. We just had our quarterly business development breakfast um this past week and so when it makes sense that you can come down to that. Um Bo, I think that he had mentioned that or mayor wrote mentioned that you were going to be the point contact on those. Um so uh yeah, we would love to have you there. We talk about our projects at that point. Just give status updates. Um but you can always call us on those as well if you have any questions. Um, where's the schedule for that?

It's online. I'll send it over to you so you have it. Um, and then we have site visits that happen from time to time. So, just having a designated point of contact as well. And I think understanding like the the the format of what a a road show kind of looks like. Um, we can help educate you around that so that you're um presenting your sites in the best way possible. um investor relations. So, this is the team that I lead. Um we've got about 40 communities. Uh but um I think that the inland port says it's best. Um when they say if you've seen one community, you've seen one community. And I very much agree with that. Um is that uh you know, each community has their own specific desires and needs and opportunities. and we like to approach our community relations very much in the same way. Um so we have we're 260 plus members strong um 150 plus peer private sector investors that engage with us and this is developers, construction companies, engineers, um we've got air quality experts, we've got site mitigation experts. And so let us work with you. If you're working on a project and you need some people to help out there, we're happy to make those introductions. Um we about a year and a half ago. Do

you just need like a pro for on projects? I mean what what is it? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah. Or if there's an RFI or an RFQ that you're let me know about it. Um I can send that out to our our private sector community so that they can respond. um they love to hear this these sorts of um opportunities and sometimes they don't get all the messages with every community around the state. So um I'm not sure where you post those but we can talk about those. Um so our soft landing program uh was taking a project win in a community and giving them a a year membership so that they can engage with our community. So, just know that if you have a project that lands in your community, it's not just a oneanddone thing. We're providing additional support to help them succeed. Um, our research team, so we do primary secondary research as I mentioned. Uh, we did a collaborative research study with 47G if you want to scroll down just a little bit. Um, just a little bit more. Um so aerospace uh makes up 29% of our our economy. Um so uh we uh did a collaborative report on with 47G. We were also looking at um innovation ecosystems and so those are um online as well as all of our other reporting that we do. Uh we also do some industry reports that we update about once a year or twice sorry once every other year and we're getting in the pro we're getting ready to actually um start to re renew those. So if you scroll up one more uh these are industry focused. So the state has key industries that they target. Aerospace and defense, manufacturing, technology, uh life science, um advanced materials,

and there's a few more finance, but these are higher wage jobs that we're trying to bring into the state. And so to help tell that story, we create these profiles and they're on our website as well. And then as I mentioned, we have a number of of events. Um we have a golf tournament because we're a nonprofit. So can't have a can't be a nonprofit without a golf tournament. Um so that's coming up next month. But uh one of the ways to engage with us is on LinkedIn. We post a lot of material on there and so please follow us on LinkedIn if you have a LinkedIn account. Um, but we also send a lot of information out in our newsletters that are monthly. So, that's it. Um, what questions can I answer for you? We've been receiving a lot of and a lot of information from EBC Utah. It's been nice. Uh, I've been forwarding those on the bow. we'll get you on that email list so that you can receive those.

Well, and I I think we have a lot more to talk about after yesterday's information that you know where the vote went. Um yeah, uh Tree Mountain is the closest location to where that data center is potentially going to be. And so I think there's a lot to to talk about with you guys. Yeah. And we're game to get the right people in in the right spot. So yeah, we have a lot of um opportunities I think coming up. We've already been hearing of some. So

I agree. And as we talk to companies and um as we talk to developers um that are taking an interest in different areas around the state, uh you know, Tree Mountain is one of those areas that there is a lot of interest. So you put a lot of infrastructure in place to make this happen. And um now it's time to some of the rewards of all the hard work that you've done to plan out your city. So yeah, I would love to connect both. I'll send you an email. Thank you. Thank you information. Appreciate it. Drive it up here.

In my subject or in my signature line is my cell phone. So feel free to text me as well. Um happy to answer any questions. So, thanks for the opportunity. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Um, we'll we're going to push the budget discussion on towards the end if that's okay with you guys. Um, Lind, did you want to talk about appointment?

Yeah, this just needs to be updated because I think it still has bill for the board. So, this would make me the representative and then we named Jamie, our new finance director, as the alternate if I'm unable to attend those meetings. So, just that with skipped one. Any questions on that? I go back to insurance carriers with

this is one we do every year. You've seen it. Well, most of you have seen it a time or two. Um, this is just setting the contribution for our medical insurance. Um, we're sticking with select health as the plan for medical. Nothing's changing. Dental, vision. Um, all staying the same. I did not change this yet because we talked about the possibility of um, and I figured it in the budget to about just getting that lump sum siphoned for everybody getting the same amount for health insurance, but we asked to put it off until January. November. So, I think we would have to bring this resolution back in January because this spells out what we're doing for the council. would be November when you do Oh, okay. But not effective till January one. Is that

um like you make your changes in November by startary. So, so yeah, figured in the budget having half the year staying as it is and then the other half of the year being that just set dollar amount for every person. So, this will come back, but as of right now, it's going to stay how it is. We're paying 90% of whatever plan you're picking. So, so unless there questions, it's Do we do insurance for part-time employees, too? No. Full time, 40 hours a week, that's fine. All we

Okay. Um, Chief Gerald, would you like to come and present theou with West Liberty, please? Okay, thanks for the opportunity to to present this to you. So, what this is is it's a memorandum memorandum of understanding uh between us, Tmont City Fire Department and Western Liberty Foods. Uh they approached me back in September, October time requesting us to help respond to their facility. Um, and as you know, we respond to emergencies in the city regardless. Um, but they they prior to this had their own in-house response team and they were looking to replace that. So, we began um negotiations with that. So, I wanted to focus on the first page here. Um, if you Oh, sorry. You wanted to skip to the actual you could go to that just kind of the focus of what this is about. Um, if you could scroll down to purpose and scope number one. And we'll go to A through little bit down right there. So you can see AB A through D

a little bit.

Yeah, they're right there. Perfect. Right there. So A, it says, so the purpose and scope uh I'll just read the bullets. A is to identify the plan uh to pre for pre-inccident planning and training uh between us and West Liberty, which would be great for us to see the inside of the facility and work with their team to know exactly how we'll respond to an incident should something occur there. Um and then to respond to hazardous materials um incidents within the NFPA 740 or 470 scope. and then uh for them to help us with reimbursement of supplies during those uh those incidents for those incidents and then the parties may enter into a separate agreement for special or specific projects if needed. So this is not your typical we're locked in type of contract. This is written up so that we can um make adjustments as needed. Um, one of the some of the the concerns that I know the council has had, um, if we could scroll down to page two a little bit. Keep on going right. Well, it's right there.

Number four, it says um, provide. So the West Liberty will provide calibrated monitoring equip monitoring equipment for the target hazard associated with operations at the facility for use by the fire department during emergency responses. So should they add some other chemical besides the chlorine that they have, they'll be responsible providing us with the equipment we need to help monitor that. That was one of my biggest concerns going into this was, yeah, we can respond, but we don't have the equipment to monitor chlorine in the air, which could be highly dangerous and deadly. So, that was my main priority was to get us the equipment we need to to mitigate this situation safely and rescue their people. Um, and so we continue on. Um, I'll just say without going into reading through the whole thing, our main focus here with responding to their facility facility is to rescue people. it's not to contain their product and that's on them. That's always been on on the um owner of the property or the the chemical, whatever it is. If something were to spill out on I-15, our goal is to contain that and rescue civilians from that. It's always been that way. And so, um we also have access to regional um hazmat teams that will come in and help us with that. And then they the company that's in charge of that will then call their own containment company and come in and remove that chemical and be in charge of the any of the EPA type stuff. So um and if you could go to Cynthia please page four. There were a few questions about the reimbursement and the money uh that would be given to us for this. They offered to donate us uh money for whatever equipment we needed. Some of the things we needed were the monitoring equipment as well as the level A hazmat suits. And so that's where um this these

numbers came from. We went out and researched first off the the cost for level A hazmat suits for four of them. And they're roughly about $2,000 up to 25 $2,500. Um and so we we got that cost. We're going to get that cost up front to go purchase those suits because the ones we have are expired. And so then we have any type of maintenance that would be required over the next five years that we be in this contract with them. That's what $2,000 is for. So hopefully that in a nutshell answered your questions quickly. I tried to speak fast. I'm sorry about that. But um do you have any other questions?

I like this. I like how proactive you're being with this. I really do. You have it's well written. I just don't want you to I don't want the city to become short in finances anyway for stuff like this. And I think you've done a good job laying this out. So, I appreciate what you did.

No problem. And in that the paragraph C, it does right actually if you scroll just a little bit so we can see the whole thing. Um if you look right in the let's see fourth line down underneath where it says 2000 annual maintenance donation for that year. The fire department shall provide um the organization with an itemized invoice of such expense cost. And so if we go above we can ask we can just give them an itemized receipt and they'll be able to provide whatever materials we need for that. Thank you. Any other questions?

The the companies they have they have to have this in. Yes. They got to have somebody come do that. So, it's a win-win. They're both text after taking the emergency training. I didn't realize what they worked with out there because I've never been there. And so visiting with Nate, he's the one that brought it to my attention, the chemicals and stuff like that. Oh, so this comes through. I was excited. So, thank you for what you did. No problem.

Question is excited to get us there and get training with us. We're excited about it as well. Like I said, it's going to give us We like to go and know what we're getting into. We go places for pre-planning and things like this. It's for us. This was a question maybe Curtis could answer where it says they're donating money to us. Is that what we care? It says donation or that that would have been my question is maybe on the soups just tell them what you want let them buy them and give it to you and that's what I would do. So yeah that's you know what I mean

this is why um they wanted to donate the money to us and we were we were like well let's draw a contract and let's make sure we've got that in writing what you're donating how you're donating that. So because we knew there would be some maintenance cost especially if we were to go and and respond on an incident then that cost would be on us at that point. So that's what we wanted to do to get a contract in place. So then this way let's get the the suits and equipment like yeah we can purchase the equipment that we would be more comfortable working with and that we would know how to use all that type of stuff and that we could then be reimbured for it. Basically, it's their equipment. We're choosing it. They purchased it. So,

thank you. Well, now that that's a different statement. They're purchasing the Well, I should say that way. Yeah. But no, so they've given us the money so that we can have the equipment. It's they're donating the equipment. That way, we have what we want and they're not getting something that it's the city that don't see it. Okay. I just want to make sure that's clarified on on I said it that way because we're not incurring any cost.

But I do want to make clear if the donation comes to the city $10,000 the city council is responsible for then authorizing the expenditure of that donation. So it still has to go through the budget process. Okay. I would imagine we would just take that whatever amount that comes in we just add to the fire department's budget. Right. That's the way I go. Absolutely.

Thank you. Thanks. Along with adding that to the budget, we're going to let the police chief come talk about.

All right. So, um, this has been ongoing for what seems like forever, but it's I think it benefits both cities. Essentially, what it's going to this check. All right. Um, what it's going to do is benefit both cities. Essentially, they're going to rather than try to manage half the police department, they contribute four officers. They will empower Tmont to provide that service and pay us for that service. Um, one point I do feel obligated to mention is in our conversations with Garland, my assumption, and there's some confusion and misunderstanding, lack of communication of the number of officers were bringing in and I think that came from the last council as well since we have a new council. I'm not sure. We went back and checked the record on that vote and some of us believe it was like that position was suspended to make that adjustment till the fiscal end of the year. Um, and some think that it was permanently suspended. So, I just refer to Dalton for that. But I think as good neighbors Carlin, we should look them in on whatever we decide that is. So, does everybody know what I'm talking about? Okay. But go ahead. You're referring to the conversation when we adjusted we went up to be competitive.

Correct. Right. Yeah. And whether or not that you you said you were willing to go down in order to get make that jump. Correct. Okay.

And afterwards, my understanding was that position was gone. Um Skyler went to Lindsay tried to clarify. It's very unclear based on reviewing the minutes and the discussion with the council. I don't know that we have a conclusive result to that. I just want to make sure we're going through the right process and that we're being good neighbors by informing Garland who's coming into this relationship with us and we're delivering the services that we had agreed upon. Um Garland approved this unanimously in their last council. Their only conditions were we retain the name Trumont Garland and they could meet with me uh once a month. So more than happy to do that. I think it brings job security, everybody stabilizes the whole police structure. Um, and the relationship's working and makes sense. So,

and we don't have the additional cost of rebranding. Yeah. Which is which could be pretty expensive. And part of this too is the assets from garden come to tree mining. Correct. So part of this first year, we will purchase those assets that will reduce their contract that they pay us this year and then next year they'll they'll pay the full amount. Correct. And it helps us pay them out for the assets. Yeah, we're buying them all their You're right. You're right. Yeah, I'll say that. They might be listening. I mean, we only that good of a deal.

We haven't budgeted any capital except for that in this tenative budget. That's the only capital items because we know we're going to have to purchase all those vehicles from so that is in the budget already for office. Yes. Otherwise we haven't touched capital yet. Well there revenue streams that are consistent law enforcement use uh school SR funds everything which come to treat we're in the process school's 100% on board it's all looking good. Do we get anything other than the cars like what? All of it. All the equipment like the tasers and

correct all their portions will come to us including like uh vehicles and things of that nature. And I think it's important that we note here that this is a contract for the police department. So as far as I'm concerned, all the money that comes from this goes directly to the police department. I do like retaining the name though. I kind of like Darlin. Yeah. Because it gives them an identity. We're not taking that away from them. And that was my take when I read this whole thing. I thought, "Yeah, I'm good."

Yeah. And they would love you for saying that because that was the point that they brought out. There was some back and forth a little bit on the capital expenditure of what we're buying it for and the current value, but they they were able to concede on that. It's just the name. They they want their brand and that connection. So, thank you for talking. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the mayor helped a lot. Credit where credit is due. I appreciate that. And it's a lot to navigate. So, uh, we worked hard and I think this is a great thing for our city and thanks to their mayor as well and city. Yeah, Danny's been great. Okay. Thank you. Cool. Any questions?

Okay. Um, we would like to turn a little bit I have Christine on here, but we're going to turn the time over to you. Jeremy. Thank you, Jeremy. And for those, this is Jeremy. Hi. I appreciate the intro from Christine. I'll be handing some of this out while I just let you know. I've been working here for a couple of weeks now already. Just getting settled. You just passed out.

Um, I did just transfer from Morgan County. I'm in a new community now. I'm just happy to be here. I'm making the commute from from Morgan. So, I live in a beautiful place and I I work in a beautiful place. So, it's pretty cool to be here. Um, Christine is spending some important time with her parents. So, she asked that I fill in on introducing the first the idea of a temporary land use law otherwise known as a moratorum. And the website, this is from the office of the property rights onbudsman and I thought just laid it out very well. I encourage if you have questions after my presentation to to look into these, but I did want to read some of these verbatim into the record. Uh qu the first question is what is a temporary land use regulation or moratorum? A temporary land use regulation, often called a moratorum, is a mechanism by which a zoning regulation is adopted for a per for a limited period of time without having to go through the normal process of public hearings. Next question. Why would a temporary land use regulation be adopted? The temporary land use regulation may be adopted when there is an emergency situation or a compelling reason that requires immediate action. While the temporary regulation is in place, the local government has time to address the situation through the normal process to adopt zoning ordinances. When may a temporary regulation be adopted? A oh sorry, a temporary land use regulation may be adopted to address any one of these three situations. A the local government finds that there is compelling public interest that justifies the temporary regulation. There is an area that is unregulated by zoning ordinances. That's B. And C, a proposed highway corridor is being studied for an environmental impact statement or major investment study. And how about um one more? How long may a temporary regulation remain in effect? A

temporary land use regulation may may remain in effect for no more than 6 months, 180 days. The local government must establish the effective period when it adopts the regulation. Um and so on back onto the screen uh on the second slide please. So the question revolves around what counterveailing public interests could be as the basis or the findings of facts or the whereases in the actual ordinance themselves. Um, and so the current growth projections are are same things happen to me. Current growth projections are outpacing several foundational infrastructural planning documents. The moratorium would allow staff to update our capital facilities plans as as applicable to the public works department. Without these updated plans, the city the city risks approving growth without clear infrastructure capacity analysis. Furthermore, the moratorum would would be a useful opportunity for staff to ensure that uh ordinances are drafted and adopted that would help uh the land use approval process proceed in a consistent efficiently efficient and legally sound manner. Um having conducted some initial research into cities like Sunset City, um Heniper, North Logan who have adopted this temporary land use law in different ways have used it to effect of of of having deficiencies in code become actualities in code um for and and one thing I want to do I do want to stress is the temporary nature of the temporary land use law. It's not a complete estopple on development or anything like that. that it is a tool that can be employed um for uh exact reasons that are applicable to Tremont um that are yet to be discovered. So part of or the request for tonight is for really a

directive from the council to have staff uh bring forward a temporary land use ordinance. So this will have us this will commission staff to do more research to really nail down those counterveailing public interests what they could be of course subject to uh review by this body. Uh the the city uh the city attorney would be closely involved to really help us get those where is really legally defensible. And again, while you've got uh myself included, uh almost a brand new set of city staff, a lot of change over and a lot of turning over, uh this would allow times to get systems in place. So, so tonight is less about the reasoning for why a moratorum could be put in place, but rather for at a later date for a for a discussion and then summarily a decision to be made to hammer out all of these reasons and to and to have the real discussion. ending my presentation. I I'm happy to entertain questions.

So So just to be clear, anything that's approved now that blow subdivision they're building houses in moratorium wouldn't touch those. Okay. So just anything new somebody come with a new or even a the next phase of subdivision and slow that

well let's say let's say a mortorium goes in effect and then the day after a new subdivision application comes in I think we take it through the whole process except maybe putting the estle on the recording of the subdivision itself so they can get land use approvals. It just gives maybe less breathing room than would be hoped for, but it would allow for some breathing room. And think of the whole subdivision process from all of the review to approval to recording to subsequent building permit plans being reviewed and then building permits issued merely single certificate of occupancies issued. I think there are crucial elements that it would slow or time and again the effect being temporary. I think Kevin and you may have mentioned this, but this also gives us time to get that comprehensive plan up and going as well. So, the document that I did put before you um is just two weeks of of me being here and Christine and I um with with our varied backgrounds just noticing things in code that are either inconsistent, perhaps uninforceable, perhaps gaps in our code that should be built to help prevent liability issues, things like that. So, just in two weeks, we've already identified a few issues. These are things that would be utilized. the time during moratorium would be utilized to devote time to this.

I think this is a great idea. I have read through it after one of my classes that I took down in St. George and it's so important that we have the right direction right now. I think we are a puzzle with missing pieces and the general plan needs to be updated. They stressed that a lot while I was in St. George. The land use plan needs to be followed directly. And with that being said, this is going to give our new employees Christine and Jeremy and the department heads time to come together and come up with a plan that they would like to see. One thing they did say down to down to St. George was find your identity. Don't let developers come in and tell you what they want because they don't live with what they want. you do and I think what they're doing here and getting things in place and helping and fixing some of the codes.

Sure. I think I don't see how we can go wrong. And I don't think it's going to stop economic growth. That was one was one concern I had. And so I talked to Christine about that. It's not going to stop an economic growth from coming in. It's just we do need to help with we do need to stop and fix these codes. Um, if you're a if if you're a developer and you hear the word moratorum, you're going to get really skittish, right? Yeah. Um, especially with the announcements that we just heard yesterday. How do we how do we as a city make sure that that message is communicated appropriately?

Yeah, you define it really well in your ordinance. Yeah. Um and again you can have I mean on on infrastructure capacity alone you have in my opinion in my not legal opinion a counterveailing public interest right there. So again the breathing room for even public works to get their systems updated is is is one reason alone. So when when it comes to debate facilities but no kidding

when it when it comes before the council those wherees should be debated and and you should present as united up front as possible the the reasons why this would be good for the city and then again if if there's reasons why you don't want to do that then then let those make their way to the record. What does a moratorum look like? Like what what what are those? I mean, how long does that last? What does that months we can define? That's part of it. And then that's what you're saying. The whereas

this Yeah. If if the commission is even interested in something like this, the counseling, um then staff will answer questions like that because uh yeah, it's only been implemented a few times around the state for different reasons. kind of discuss with legal to me it' be so we don't have to get lication we have to pay for money for some high developer that's halfway done or something I think we can try that but

so are you guys open with them putting together some language on the moratory running it through the lawyer make sure that we're all legal and everything and then coming back and having a discussion about it my fears are our economic development. You know, we say we say that it's not going to. But, you know, if you're a if you're a real estate group that wants to bring in industry into the city and you're looking at it, you know, we just got done listening. If I'm a site selector and I and I show up here and I want to put in a a facility that's going to produce 25 million in revenue of sales taxable, I'm not going to pay up. They just put a moratorum on development.

Could we go? Right. So, I don't want to brand us. We We've got to be very careful about what we do and we've got to be very specific so that we're not shooting ourselves in the foot while protecting the assets. You know, if we're overbuilding, obviously we owe that to our residents to keep, you know, make sure that we have a capital facilities plan and all that in place. So, Jeremy, we got to be careful. Can you build into this um a clause, a whereas whatever a phrase that excludes um economic development and this is mainly just for um subdivisions that housing development is that possible?

Instead of giving you a a answer not from the standpoint of attorney or anything like that, why don't I just take that as a point to to research? Yeah. Okay, that would be great. Thank you. the the extent of what the the intent of the ordinance from the state allows. Yes. Thank you. It's a good place to start.

Well, and you know, in the past, Tmont has has been notorious for giving impact fees back as concessions. By doing this, they can set codes in place so that stops. And that was a hot topic in St. George. Super hot topic. do not give back impact fees. Let them be used where they need to be used. And many cities were saying that. So I would like to entertain us at least taking a look at what you can do, what can happen and it would come in the form of of an ordinance that you can amend how you see as a body.

We do need to be careful with the messaging. Are you okay with that though? Yeah, as as long as we're extremely cautious um with it, it's going to take a lot of enabling to get one that works that I think for keeping our our city as a brandable good asset. We we've been talking budgetarily about a revenue problem. The last thing we want to go do is turn off our revenue with a mortorium. That's a big deal, right? It's a big, you know, big super cautious. I understand what you're saying, but at the same time,

we need to button up what's going on. We have too many loose ends going here and here and here. And if this could if even if it's just a talking subject, once you bring the resolution to us, let's just see what you come up with.

Well, and I guess the the the question I have and because I'm open to you guys know I'm open to ideas. I mean what the question I have is can we still move forward with buttoning up without putting an official moratorum with we get the capital facilities but all the things that we're going to go do in the moratorum time can we still go do without branding the moratorum right let's just go get this stuff done instead and do both um a moratorum isn't is a moratorum necessary to get a capital facilities plan in place.

I know it buys us time, but it also comes with a consequence. So, we're just we're just choosing the consequences with it, right? Um, so but but could we I mean any development that comes in that is not part of the land use plan, we have to we have to prove anyway, right? So, I feel like we're kind of putting an additional shackle on ourselves if we do that. that is not necessarily necessary because if it comes to the legislative body, we have to vote on it anyway. So, we're we're keeping ourselves flexible without branding ourselves from a business perspective,

right? So, that that's just my two thoughts right off the especially with the votes that came in last night. I mean, there's there's there's a lot going on. Okay. Which be careful which which I think if we can get creative here, you know, we can start moving into potentially some regional conversations and other ways to fund,

right? And I I just don't want to be locked in due to a moratorum as well because I think we actually might turn off our revenue spigot not just economically but also you know are there potential interlocal agreements we could work with the county right now now that they're going to start to have more revenues etc. Right. And so I just don't want to I don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot. I see what you're saying.

Yeah. Um, if I could just add before we segue, uh, it's you can be pretty targeted in the language. And so the question came before about e excluding economic development that just that could be built in and and you can be pretty targeted in what the moratorium does and I think that could be utilized to to establish clear messaging branding with what the intent or of the ordinance is and and again using it for on a temporary nature doesn't have to turn off any real spigots that are important to the to the city. Well,

so what's the goal of the ordinance in the first place then besides putting a brand out if if what do we accomplish with an ordinance that adopts that that we couldn't already do as a legislative body in the first place? That's what I'm trying to get to. So fasttracking some gaping holes in our ordinance. Um and then uh putting temporary stoples on certain aspects of the subdivision process are two and then and then allowing for plans to be uh drafted, approved, and implemented before we before we start sticking our neck out necks out too far as a city just from a liability standpoint. I just want to address your your drawing distinction between uh bringing in businesses versus bringing more housing in. Um, I haven't been a proponent of doing a moratorum and I've thought along the same lines that you're thinking of. And I think to answer your question, can we do some of these things while entertaining uh decisions to develop period? Yes, can. But the problem

the problem is um we're we've pushed that limit too long and we're we do have some public we have some infrastructure problems right now. And and it's really interesting that you would ask the questions that you're asking because I've never again I've never been a proponent of this and I was having a really good uh we were having a good conversation with Christine and it it was actually businesses and industry that we were talking about bringing in that got me thinking and steered the conversation towards you know what I think we should do a moratorum because those types of uh businesses and industries can have a significantly stronger impact on our infrastructure than a group of homes can. And so the the idea is do it now before before we push too far already. And we and we don't because we're too close. We're too close to certain lines. We're too close to to treatment plant infrastructure. And it's not like we're starting from scratch. We have ideas. We already we're building off of what we've done in the past, but water, sewer, and treatment plant kind of concerns are are at the point where we need to just be better prepared. And the poor sports analogy that I gave in talking to uh Christie today, I was actually talking about this moratorum that we're when preparing for a big game, when preparing for the

possibilities of big businesses or or big developments, that kind of stuff or even smaller ones coming in. It's it's really important that we are more prepared than we are that we have better tools in place which would be the code and that kind of thing that we're we're it's better that we do it now right now for the next six months that could extend slightly longer than that then we wait until we're already past the point and we're in trouble. So I might be missing something and I apologize if I'm behind or but maybe maybe I'm ignorant to the process. What I'm trying to understand is a moratorum is a formal way of going and getting some stuff done.

What does it limit during that time period that we couldn't do legislatively one at a time as we go? That's what I'm trying to figure out. And until we can answer that, I don't know that I could get on board personally with putting a moratorum in if it's going to hit the legislative body anyway. And we could say we need to refrain. We don't know that we have sewer or whatever capacity one off. We're going to be able to look at that, but that way we're not stopping projects that would be good and beneficial uh like a business coming in that would require that wouldn't require water, you know, for example. So, I'm just trying to understand what it actually accomplishes to put a moratorium in when it hits the legislative body.

Okay. So, I can't answer your question because I don't have an answer. Okay. And so, I think the objective of tonight was to simply start the conversation. Um and then while staff re researches researches answers to questions like yours and talks to the attorney will bring forward something and then it could be discussed. It could be struck things could be struck from it to get a good product that the that the whole council can appreciate and then and then and then be on our way with with a moratorum or due to the legislative nature of the process that it could be denied. And so I I just want to bring you a good answer and I don't have one for you tonight. Cool.

I want to be respectful of the of the meeting time. A land use a temporary land use development plan versus a moratorium. Do they have to be the same language? I don't you know point is if if it's a temporary land use plan um then a lot of that could be defined and then it doesn't sound as scary, right? But accomplishes the same. Yeah. And so there may be a little bit different language that gives us the same result but doesn't um shy off the the industry difference between dragging your feet and having a moratorium. You know what I mean?

I guess I've been in this process so much longer than you guys have. You know been following planning commission since 2019. There are things that need to be buttoned down. There are things that need to be sure

fixed. And can we fix them as we go or not? Because we don't have the codes in place right now. And developers are coming in and I want this. I want this. I want this. We don't have the codes in place to say no. This is what Trey Mountain is going to do. So by doing that, slowing it down just a little bit. I don't really think it's going to hurt anybody. I think in the long run it's going to help our department. I think it's going to help our department heads because when you get these developments coming in, one department that just absolutely I have a really hard time with, it's not that I have a hard time,

the police have to deal with everything that comes with all these developments. And if you've ever gone into Cordova's office, he has this nice map on the wall and in that map there is this orange, call it orange, yellow, orange rectangular square thing. That's where they spend 90% of their time. We need to stop and figure out how we're going to get more funding for them. We need to stop and see how we're going to make changes to codes that identifies what Tmont City will allow. I mean, right now we're we're stuck paying for a roadway going into a subdivision.

Okay? You get the code in place and you get set boundaries in place that these developers must adhere to. Then we don't have these problems. We don't have these issues. It's in place. They come in and say, "Nope, you're going to do sidewalks, curb, gutter. You're going to fix your side of the road." And I have a whole bunch of papers for you when we get to that. Um, I just hope you'll be open-minded and not close-minded with this. This is what I'm asking for right now. I am I'm with you. I mean, some of us have been doing that, too. Yes, you have. Obviously, you know, a couple years longer than But all half that stuff you got going is dynamic there. You can have the codes and they're going to change in a new year.

The things change that there's a lot. So, that's keeping up, but it is dynamic. So, what we can say we're not doing today happens tomorrow. So, we got to be open-minded there. I'm with Bo on I mean interested with the economic development state guy. You know that you don't want to send that with nobody coming. And I agree we need to have all that stuff. But if there if there are legitimate constraints that a moratorium helps that specifically solve a problem, let's explore that. But until we can define that, why would we do it? That's what I'm trying to get to. When it doesn't hit the legislative body,

I think we can define it. I don't think that's the problem. Yeah, let's do that first and then because that's where the the meat of the the problem is going to be, right? Otherwise, yeah, we can frame that for you whether we do a moratorum or we call it something else, whatever. We just need to frame it and identify those things and work on them. So what would be the direction of the council to do that to have them go back and come back with with what

the the purposes of the moratorum? What what are the constraints that it actually offers us and why we would do that instead of just solving the problem one at a time anyway and making sure that we as a legislative body when a vote comes that would be outside that we already have that power anyway to do that. And if there's things that we don't, then that's why we would consider it, right? But I'm just I'm struggling to understand the core purpose of it with and the messaging that comes with it when it's already in our power to do that as a legislative body. But and if we can if there's a good logic there, let's let's consider that. But until then, like I just don't understand the why. I think your concern is there's a lot of infrastructure needs coming at you and you're scared because you're asking for help and you don't have the funds to go get it done. Right.

That's a big part of it. So I I I But the development process is related to that as well. Correct. But a moratorum doesn't solve that. It just delays and prolongs what we need to do to go get it done. This is a long game to us. We just want to call timeout. And you don't want to call timeout. You want to keep I'm not saying we don't call timeout that I think that's what you're hearing a different message. I agree with restraining restriction that you currently have. I'm not saying we hit stop. No, I'm not saying we don't you just want to let you just want to let the play clock run down longer and it's the same effect. So Carl, answer the question.

What does a moratorum do? What does a moratorum do to stop development and solve the current problem? It's just it's just intended to be a a formal planning uh session where we don't have to can we without a moratorum? Can we do a formal planning session without a moratorum? Well, I'm less convinced that we can. I I used to think that we could, but I'm not entirely sure that we can or should at this point. What's in that?

Um, we don't have we don't have updated plans in place. We need updated rates. We need updated capital facilities plans and impact fees that go along with those. You know, we just hired a financial planner, you know, financial person to help us with that, right? So, we're moving forward with getting that accomplished. But, so

after last night, and you were there last night, we're going to have an influx of we don't know what coming our way if we don't sit down and decide how we're going to handle and how we're going to be able to handle the new growth, the infrastructure issues that we're having right now if we just keep Yeah. I don't care about how we get from A to B. I just want to get to B.

And we all want to get to B together. I just I'm just saying that that the the spigot of revenue that we can bring in. I don't think it we're going to turn off the spigot of revenue if we do this when we can go solve and get to be altogether anyway solving our issues. I just don't understand the correlation between the moratorum and it just doesn't make sense to me. Well, let's see what they can come up with before we shut the door. I'm talking shut the door. I'm not shutting it. I'm fully open to it. Let's see what they come up with because I trust in what they're doing because I've had the conversations and I think we owe it to them. They're in that position.

Sure. to make these decisions. And I love how they're trying to bring in all the department heads which has been missing from this whole puzzle piece. There's been a great big hole in the middle. Bring in all those department heads. Let's have those talks. Let not me but them. Let them figure this out because right now going down suicide.

So your opinion what what do you have anything you want to say on what direction they should go? I would I would just say that uh especially with there there are a lot of conversations that are going to be happening over the next two or three weeks um in relation to last night that are going to be an important part of the direction we decide to go. And so I think the language the language that we that we pick is going to be very we got to be really careful and and so the right

well I I I worry just me on my little brain I worry that we do it but if if we had a business that that makes us so we can pay extra cops and more fireman that goes somewhere else because we have that then we've lost well that's like that whether that happens in I mean they can't build a business in six months and all that but you see what I mean a subdivision that gets approved in six months that's what I mean yeah it might not be it might be a viewpoint but that that's just

but let's say it's like I said before maybe not as much breathing room as we're hoping for but breathing room nonetheless where stuff is for in every which direction map every office in this city. So the direction being to just look into this and bring bring back either a plan of what a Morton could do or code language itself. Is there is that a question? You want it's up to the council. I'm not

Yeah, I'm looking for direction. I would say if we know what code if we know some specific loopholes or code to close, then let's present those codes and close those close those loopholes that we're concerned about. And in the in the meantime, I don't I don't have a problem saying that if somebody were to bring a a apartment complex for approval, I don't have a problem saying no on that right now. I mean, I agree with you guys about water need some brain room and learn all that. I know Carl I I agree with that. I'm just I'm with I'm a little bit with just that language with

But I think we you got to put it together and I mean before before we know it that'll be over anyway. Okay. And I want to make sure you understand what I'm not saying. What I am not saying is that we should grow irresponsibly without having a capital facilities plan. That's what I'm not saying. We need to be responsible about it. We have to check boxes. And if that means saying no, that's what we need to do, right? But I just I just can't connect the dot between the moratoriums and what we can go get done. No. and and fortunately I get to be here every day and I'm watching these guys and I'll tell you what they are overloaded with just trying to catch up with where we were.

And so that's part of the problem here is we need to somehow get them so they can get on top and then we can start to work towards our goals. Right now we can't. We're just trying to stay. Do you support? I support slowing Well, slowing down is not the right word. I support

you're really I support letting our department heads and you just have so much context. That's why I ask you catch their breath. Yeah. I just know this because I can see where they're headed. Oh yes. And I am so excited about the future of Tmont City and I just want to give these guys a chance to get us there. I think they will if we give them a minute to brief is okay. So don't call it a moratorium. Call it a pause just on developments.

If we if any plan has to if it has to go and get signed off by each department if if a proposal comes to Carl and Carl's like we don't have the infrastructure right now. Boom. It it dies off right there. If it's something where you go, okay, yeah, we can facilitate, we do have that that capacity to take that on if it's a business or, you know, some little small subdivisions or whatnot and, you know, and it it goes past police, fire, public works, and they all sign off on. I mean, doesn't it seem like that would be a natural stop gap if because you're going to know better than you're going to know better than anybody else in here if the system can handle it? And if the system can't handle it, then it actually positive and tell the system command or am I

I think there's some legalities that may come from this too and that's land owners have a right to come in and ask to start some land and to start a subdivision and we can't really go and say no without some kind of legislation that says oh wait a minute we have to but don't we have that if if we can't facilitate the infrastructure but we'd have to have the proof that right and then that in itself becomes a moratorium it isn't kind the natural one that's already in there. If if we prove that we don't have the capacity, we I think we have to put out a moratorum. That's why we need to have those studies done. And so before we move on,

the studies need to be done because if we are not up to date with our fees, which we're not, we know we're not with having the study done, we can go to the developers and say the fees are just and we have proof. Right now, we don't have that. We're kind of shooting ourselves in the foot. So, just kind of be open-minded and let's see what they come up with, please. I agree with what you just said, Mayor 100%. So, thank you for your Thank you for your time everyone. Good discussion. Thank you. Good to meet you.

Everybody Jamie W, new financial director talking her here. We'll have all that fixed by two weeks meeting. Would you like to go over your planning commission?

Um, we have a vacancy on the planning commission right now. Um, Mr. Thompson left and vacated his seat. He's moved on to wonderful and better things. And so I am recommending that we appoint Ben Greener. And Ben Greener is here. He could stand so everybody can see this wonderful person. he would like to join the planning commission. He has been on the planning commission before, so he does have some knowledge of what's going on for him to fill that vacancy and he would fill the seat until January 2028 if that's and that's going to be a resolution that we would be passing here today. Any questions? Any discussion?

I worked with Ben on the planning commission. He was a great asset for he really he spoke. Um and then Zach, do you want to go over the mugs and bananas back for us? We got about five minutes.

Uh hello council. Uh Bruce Jeepson came and he submitted a special event application for the mugs and bananas drag night. um which is uh something that he and his classmates did uh when they were in high school was uh getting their old cars together and dragging me. Um so this event is a recurring event every every other year but he alternates between here and Preston. Um a little back history this started in 2015 is what he brought back um to the community and uh he's been going every other year. um he went 15,1 17 and 19 and then his class reunion was in 2020. So he did hit us twice in a row um that year and then now it's alternating 22 24 now it's 26 and he's submitted another special event permit uh application to ask if he can continue hosting this event. Um he does do a burnout lane uh down on 200 West right in front of uh Willy's Park West. Uh they partner together where they do some burnouts there. Um and it brings in thousands I'd say of people that come into the community and hopefully they're spending their money here and uh uh uh participating in the activities. Um so his uh application he um it's the same as usual uh for the most part. Starts at Bear River High School from 5 to 7. Uh then they drive to Tmont Main Street and drag Tmont Maine from 8 to um 8 to 11 I believe. Uh burnouts would be start at 8 um to 9. uh to enter the burnouts, they have to have a wristband um to be able to enter the

burnouts, which means they've had the rules uh gone over with them and uh there's strict policing there. Uh typically the police have been involved, Dustin. Yeah, it's on my desk. It looks like the concrete barriers are still in place.

Yep. So he that last time he was here, he extended that all the way to the end to of the block to 100 South and his plan is to do that again this year. uh but also add a steel uh rail on top um to more to keep those together uh even better if something does happen uh that so he still has all his safety measures um and everything there for that um they do have to sign waiverss to be able to participate in that um and then he will have people uh another barricades so people can't be right up against the the rails uh also So that's uh what he's um he's proposing again this year. Um he would like to change the concert. Typically his concert's been in the all red um auto body um parking lot which is right there on the corner. Um but he's his desire is to move it to me square. So uh that would be from see he has it on here. Uh 9 to 10:30 would be the the concerts. Uh Factory Street there uh out of Garland. Um it's a husband and wife that um plays concerts guitar. Um they've been to Arc Hades and they they're really good musical group couple I guess. So,

um, don't tell the That's their tagline, but they always do. Um, so, uh, yeah. So, that's it. Any questions? It's a fun event.

It is probably the besides the county fair, the largest attraction that we I think this this surpasses that. But yes, the Halloween caddy is

like you have to sign a waiver and ask. Um we've got two items we weren't able to get to. We'll move those to the next session and we'll go ahead and take a minute break. No, sorry.

city council meeting and we'll go ahead and call to order. Um at this time we'll turn some time over to our recorder. Um this is our May 5th, 2026 meeting. We have all members present except council member Oilers. Okay, we're going to start out with an opening ceremony and I've asked Jaden Melo to give us an invocation and then his sister Macy Melo Melon

Melo Melo Macy Melo to uh lead us in the pledge of allegiance. So Jaden, if you want to go ahead.

Dearly father, thank you for this day. Thank you for us all be able to gather here safely today. Please help us to be able to be safe today, to be able to just feel comfortable in Jesus Christ. Amen. Stand to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

Okay, we would like to have an approval of the agenda. However, um I'm thinking that we might want to move the discussion on the budget to the strategic session so we can have a already in there, isn't it? The resolution When I looked earlier, it didn't look like it was. Let's just see. Financial statement financial statement. Okay.

And then we I we need to make an amendment because we do not have the minutes from April 10th. So, we're not going to be approving those minutes. So, we'll need to amend it for just the approval of the minutes from April 7th. So, I'll take it entertain a motion. Okay. We have a motion by Brent Jax. I'll second it. A second by Christy Boat. All those in favor say yes.

Any opposed say no. Okay, we will move forward with that. At this point, we have a one of the best times of the evening. Oh, we need a declaration of conflict of interest. Does anyone here have a conflict of interest in our discussions tonight?

Okay. Hearing none. Okay. This is the time when we get to recognize all these wonderful students here and their their fabulous work in the in the schools. Um, I got to go today to the high school and participate in a shark tank and that was fun, but unfortunately I don't have the money those guys do. So, um, but anyway, it was really fun to go and see what the schools are doing for these students and what you students are doing for our community and we thank you so much. What I'm going to come down and read out your names. What I'd like you to do is to come up to the front. Let me shake your hand and we're going to invite the principles to come up and then come and stand up here. When we're all done, then stay here and we'll get a picture of the whole group together and we'll give time for everyone to get pictures of everyone. And the only thing I ask is when you're getting your picture taken, hold it up backwards because we don't want to see your names on the pictures. Okay? That's the safe thing for us to do. Okay? All right. And we've had our principles here every time. This has been awesome. Thank you. And then we got McDonald's.

Yeah. Okay. First we have Riley Born. Is it

howia Garcia? Yeah.

HI, Matthew Palmer. Goodman. Zoe John Zoe Johnson. Here you go. Do you want Hayden Christensen,

Benjamin Palmer,

a female motive. Oliver Palmer, Addie Mlan. That's a long ways to walk. Hi, Andy. Come on over here. There you go. And Bridget, Iris Sullivan.

Did I miss anyone? Right. Well, then we're going to get together and take uh one picture and then after we take the picture, uh the picture will out of the way and you can take yours. So, everyone make sure you have your you you're not showing your names. Okay.

Can you guys see? Okay. Ready? One, two, three. You guys are welcome to take as many pictures. Oh, I'm Vietnam. Good job, you guys.

You're welcome to come up in the middle if you want. She's down a little bit. You cover your face.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks everyone. We appreciate these kids so much. the parents too. Some of the grandparents.

Okay, we're going to move on to the next portion. We have a presentation. I had the opportunity to go up to Utah State this year and sit with uh these uh youth city council members at their training and it was such a great opportunity. It was fun to get to know them and we had how many did we have go? We had 16 of them I think up there, did we? I think we had 18. 18 up there and that was just phenomenal. They took up two or three tables and so it was just fun to see them do this. We appreciate their service. But with that in mind, we're going to turn some time over to these two gentlemen. If you would introduce yourselves, please.

Awesome. I'm Jaden Melo. I'm the mayor of the city council this year. I'm Landon Dennis and I'm the city manager.

Awesome. Um, so this year we've had opportunity to serve the town and youth tree mountain by doing a ton of random activities such as the turkey trot, the holiday Christmas bash, the daddy dance, and many more. Um, this year we had the opportunity to go over to Utah State University for our youth leadership conference, which we are so grateful you guys helped us out by getting us over there. um we have learned a lot of skills attending that conference and that those skills we will cherish and use the rest of our lives. Um we've also had the opportunity to learn from our amazing adviserss Mrs. Caroline Burgess and Mrs. Andrea Milo. They have been a huge impact on all of us and all the members. We'd also like to give a shout out to our new new mayor and other board members. Okay. Um, so we have Bridget as the mayor, Avery is the city manager, Aninsley is the project manager, Macy is the historian, and TA is the recorder and secretary. We are so excited to see the amazing things this new board is going to accomplish. Thank you again for letting us help our neighbors and our community grow. We would like to also acknowledge our outstanding 26 members with combined 388 total hours of community service this year. Thank you.

That's amaz That's amazing. And did any of you adult instructors wanted to say anything? No, you're good. I won't.

Okay. Um, so you city council is under parks and rec and I've had the opportunity to work with these two uh in a way for the past few years while they've been in the program and they are amazing young men and they have a bright future ahead of them. the whole youth city council is is a fantastic program that um develops youth leaders in our community and um I'm proud to be associated with them and thank them for their hard work because they do make a lot of the events that we do host happen and they also add in their input where they would like to see improvements um so that we can better the program and give them some ownership into our events as well. So, just want to thank them for all they do and the leaders of course and we look forward to working with you again next year as well. So, thank you. And I think we have a little project coming up with some flowers pretty soon, too.

Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Next, we have a who who all is here from our library? Please stand. Well, that was good timing. You guys stood and laugh. Well, thank you. Uh these are uh employees from our library and volunteers. All employees.

Nice. Well, thank you so much. We have a letter here that we received from uh Culture of Community Engagement and the Utah State Library. And so if you'll entertain us for just a minute, I would like to read this. Come on up. The Utah State Library. Oh, you know what? Is there some Would you read that?

The Utah State Library would like to recognize Tmont City Library for outstanding service to their community during the 2025 fiscal year. Please accept our congratulations on earning the Quality Library Award. The quality library award is a designation that the state library determines during reertification, which is an annual process that requires public libraries to submit reports and data to indicate that their services are in accordance with state library standards. The quality library award is a secondary application for library directors to indicate that they that the work um they and their staff have accomplished rises above and beyond standards. The purpose of this award is to recognize libraries and the dedicated people who work in them who are offering exemplary work in their communities. In other words, the quality library award provides an opportunity for the state library to highlight transformational services that might not be obvious in the standard reertification process. As a quality library, your institution is an active, involved, and vital part of the community. It provides resources and services beyond the four walls of the library with exemplary outreach to residents. The best libraries seek to serve their communities in specific ways to address local needs. The efforts being made at your library demonstrate an awareness of community needs with an appropriate and helpful response by the library. Commitment to excellent library service indicates teamwork. It takes leadership from the director, funding and support from the city, county government, dedication from all library staff, support from the community, training for the staff, and board planning and careful attention to community needs. Thank you for continuing to deliver outstanding library services or service to Utah residents. Sincerely,

sorry. Cara, thank you. Congratulations. Five years in a row. That's amazing. Amazing. But it's part of our community and that's how we are, right? That's right. Thank you.

Come over. Keep it up. Let's go. Let's go for 10. We'll do our best.

Thank you, Debbie. She's taking her job seriously. Okay, this is a portion of our um meeting for citizen engagement for public comment. we would ask that you that's the one thing I like about our city and um after an event that I was frustrated with last night I appreciated so much how we treat each other here in our city and that's translated in the way we talk to each other here as we talk to each other on the bench even when we don't agree sometimes we still treat each other with respect And so um I let's just continue to do so. Um you have three minutes. Please talk about anything that you would like to except for the items we have on our strategic business which is the budget and

financial statements. Financial statements and there will be an opportunity for you to talk during the strategic business about each one of those. So the time is yours. You get three minutes here too. Yeah. Plus, it's a public hearing on this. So,

that's good. Uh, I have a question. City has to be in compliance with American Disability. Exact. Is that correct? Could we get your name, please? Michael Keith Ler, Senior. Thank you. Are you in Are you in? We're not here to answer questions, but you can go ahead and give us some comments. We'd love to hear them. And if we're if you've got some great suggestions on things we can do to improve, let us know.

Okay. Um, first of all, thanks for, you know, everybody's new here and, uh, you'll be seeing my bright face sometimes. Um, it'll be all good, Mr. Mayor. We'll be like the last time. Okay. So, um, I'll bring up stuff to you privately in your office for a meeting. Besides that, all these sidewalks do not have access for wheelchairs or scooters like these to go up and down the city streets. There is no asset ramps or on-ramps on any of the uh major streets in in tree mount. I'd like to ask department recent wine. Okay, remember we can't comment. I'm sorry.

Okay, but we can we'll certainly take it back and I think I'll be out here. Yes, I'll touch later. Sure. Absolutely. In fact, um you could get together with Paul or me or anyone and we would like to to discuss those and and we're moving forward with some great plans in the future on other things we're going to do and we and I know he's shaking his head because he's over at the Main Street thing and they can look into that. So, okay. Thank you.

Thank you. I I think it's important that I define the thing about commenting. It's the only thing is is because it's not an agenda item. We're not by law allowed to discuss those items without it being agended. And so that's why we don't it's not because we don't want to. We'd love to engage in conversation, but it's it's part of Robert's rules and part of the law that we have to follow. So that's the reason. What was what was his name? Michael. Michael.

Thank you.

My name is Christine Bruce. I'm a resident. I also would like to echo the comments that you made, mayor, about appreciating the dignity that we have here. I was also there last night and I found it frankly disgusting. Um, if any of you have ever gone bike riding, uh, 10 speed bike riding or mountain bike riding, I imagine would do the same. So when I was much younger, I rode a 10-speed bike with my older brother who used to race and he took me out and the hills of New York and as we he would have he was a good climber and we would get close to the top of a hill and I remember I was so grateful to see the top of that hill and as I crested the top of the hill I realized there's another one right after it. And I think that's where this city is. Um, we just crested a hill. We thought we were going to catch a break and catch a breath. And now here we see this massive hill coming. And the only thing that you can do is either give up quit or dig in and keep going. Now, this city, this city has more people in it that care about it, and there's more talent here, both in the working world as well, as well as retired world. And I would highly recommend that you guys call the arms out. And uh I I was listening to the conversation or the workshop and you

guys were talking about uh the land use plan in capital facilities and I was wondering is there any legal reason why we couldn't have volunteers come in and help with that effort because I think we just got a fire hose in place of garden hose and we really need more manpower the this to get things done as quick as possible. And if not, then maybe we could get um professional consultants. Maybe we can find money in the budget to to um really get talent behind us to get where we need to get to. I do agree with you, Bo. you know, it we don't want to miss a bus or be be trailing behind on a bus that's coming. But at the same time, I was on that same train that everybody else was, which was put brakes on. It's not just about the economic development. That economic development's coming no matter what. And with that is coming people and new residents. and they are more likely to get residents on county land that we don't control if we don't get our act together now. So, those are my recommendations.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay,

we'll go ahead and seeing there's no one else that wants to come up, we'll go ahead and close this portion of our public comments and we'll move right into our public hearing. So, this is uh the time that we have is the same rules apply in this first one is a public hearing on the proposed tentative budget. Do you know we're going to be discussing that? Well, we we still need to have a public hearing, don't we? Okay. In the strategic business, so they comments again if they have comments after we discuss.

Yeah. I I kind of like I'd like people to be able to discuss after we've discussed and that so we have some engagement there. So, um, are you guys okay if I move that public hearing to right after our discussion on the tenative budget? I think that'll be good. What's that? 11. Yes. Okay. Um, the next one is a public hearing on compensation for executive municipal officers. Is this also on there? It's on the strategic business. This is on

No, this is a we have to do this every year just to have the public hearing on what increases our executive municipal officer for getting it's included in the budget. Okay. Will you just let everyone know what this specific hearing is about?

Yeah, it's just about executive municipal officers. So, it's your city managers, department heads, police chiefs are all included in this. Um we have a list if you want to bring it up. There's nothing proposed for anything different than just the 3% column that we're um that we're requesting in the budget that we have in the budget. So that's I think it's been two years now since the state legislators um made this a rule that we have to call this out separately for our executive officers. So

Okay. Thank you. So with that in mind, we will open up for public hearing on the compensation of executive municipal officers. Okay, with that we will go ahead and close the public hearing on compensation for executive offers off officers. Now, I'd like to entertain uh a motion on the consent agenda, which is to Oh, never. We do have some unfinished business to talk about. And let's do that really quick. So, before we have the consent agenda, that's next on the item. Um the only other item that uh we can have the tenative budget discussion as part of the strategic business. So, that's okay. The only other one I had honor that was not talked about was um if we had we went to the ULCT conference in um St. George. It was very useful, very helpful, and I I appreciated the opportunity that I had to go there and spend time with our our city council. Um, one of the things that I got out of that that um, I wanted to talk to you guys about was um, right here as a city council. One thing and as a city, one thing I would really like to emphasize is what is our roles? Okay, so the the city council is Um the city council sets direction.

Okay. The the citizens give their voice, they give input and the employees are there to carry out the direction. Okay, that's our roles. Okay. Now, I really feel strongly that we should be all on what I call a vertical relationship where all treat each other equally. Okay. So, with that in mind, I got thinking a lot about a lot of the strategies and stuff we've talked about and and I've learned a little bit and our strategies in the past has come in, well, you'll do this, this, this, this, and this, you know, with these goals and I feel we need to be a little bit better at that and just say, here's the direction we would like to see the city go and set some high-end goals and then charge the staff to find a way to accomplish those goals through working with the citizens. And we learned all this stuff in St. George. A lot of stuff that when I come home, my head was just swimming with all the great ideas and the great things we can work with. So, what I'd like to propose is in our next city council meeting, I'd like to take 10 or 15 minutes and go over the first two pillars and see if we can't just come up with some high-end strategies as a council to help give direction to the city employees. And then two weeks after that, another I go through the last two uh objectives and then our our pillars. And then finally, let's get this all ready so that when we pass the budget, some of the budget discussions, everything can be driven by these these directives and then that way we can start the new year out on a great framework.

Are you as a council, are you okay with that? Sure. Yeah, I love it. I one of the things that I'd love to to see somehow um at work I always used to go straight to the shop floor and spend time there because that's where I learned about what the vision could be. Right. So one thing I have missed when we got rid of um our heads reports and it's coming through us. I've really missed that connection of like I get to to talk with Zach and I don't do as good a job at talking with Zach because as I should, you know, and I know Christy, but like being able to pull that from them, their vision,

right? They're in the dayto day and they have a lot of ideas that I don't think we would have and so somehow we get their vision together with ours, right? So whatever that means, I don't know tactically what the best way is, but I'm sure ex, you know, I don't know what the fire chief sees the long-term vision of fire looking like, you know, and so just how do we get and and that can come through, Blair, and I think you're doing a good job at that, but how do we tie that all together? I'm with you. I I think

Yeah. I mean, I think if if the head are here when we do that, then they maybe ought to do the thing instead of us because then the questions can be. Now, if they're not here and it would talk to like this, I brought up Jeff wasn't here yet and I just brought up a couple of things, but maybe and I mentioned it to Carl. Maybe when we're doing them, Carl's sitting there. Carl's probably Christie can say, "Well, we went over that, but Carl, you you know, whatever." I think Yeah. And I just think it's then we all hear it. That's I that's what I do. Well, I I I agree. And

if they're not here, I mean, I don't know that you have to be here every and prepare a a huge deal. I don't just off the cuff really.

I think the the thing that we're learning is um the staff has shared those exact same concerns. Okay. And yes, I swung the pendulum the other way all the way. And and and we're open to finding out what is the best for our city. And and so on this agenda, we've opened it up so the department heads, if they wish, um they they they can have some time to come up and speak as well. And so, um yes, I agree with you guys. Let's let's try to find let's get that pendulum sitting right in the middle. I didn't even notice that that was that. Yeah.

So, good stuff. And so, um, we'll give our department heads some time. The other thing, too, when you're doing your department head when you're talking here and invite department heads to come up and and share the reports with you, you know, um, let's work together. I don't want anyone to feel like they're not needed because everyone's needed and we're all on a same level. what I I I guess I'm more referring to I love the idea of setting vision and um like if like as we're having that discussion the heads being here to to you know if we start to go off track be like you know or hey this really excites me as part of that vision

you know to be able to jump into that discussion so that it's not a city council handed them a go get it doneer you know type thing but we we collectively we came up with a vision together. So I just want to make sure heads are here to to hear that.

Great. So we'll go ahead and move forward with with that direction then. Okay. The consent agenda has the following items. The approval of the minutes from April 7th. Approval of resolution 26-20 Main Street America. Approval of the resolution number 2621 renaming of United States Postal Service. Remember we to do

yes to spell that name correctly. Um approval of resolution number 2622. Our insurance carriers approval of resolution number 2624. The Utopia member appointment. Approval of resolution number 2625. theou to West Liberty Foods. Approval of resolution resolution number 2626, Tremont City Police Contract. Um, thank you. Tree Mountain Garden Police contract resolution 2627 planning commission member and then the approval of allowing mugs and bananas to do the drag night on June 20th 26 2026 I would entertain a motion for the consent agenda motion that

okay we have a motion by Brent to approve the consent agenda and a second by Blair We need to add an E to Sorson and not an O. Not an O. Correct. Okay. So, with that correction, uh Brent J has a motion to approve the consent agenda making Lee Sorson's name spelled correctly. Okay. And then Blair has a second. All those in favor say yes. Yes.

Any opposed say no. Okay. The consent agenda passes. Okay. Now we have our strategic business portion. The strategic b business portion we will have some discussion. Um and then after the discussion we'll open it up for up to 10 minutes of discussion by the public. They're welcome to come up ask questions. we can open up in dialogue and have those uh important discussions that that this part of the meeting allows us to have. So, oh and then just so you know late after the end of the meeting we are going to go into a close session. So

and RDA and an RDA. Yeah. Okay, it's not on my menu here, so I'm having to read it. Can you believe that? Okay, the first one is discussion and consideration of adopting the the March 2026 financial statement and warrant registry. Does anyone have any questions or concerns on our registry or register?

I have a question. Do they put out on social media anywhere the police reports? Is that out there? I know I know the county does. I I just didn't know whether we did that. Sorry, what was the question? Um, do we put the police report or fire report out on social media like the county does? Yeah. Um, as far as like their stats. Uhu. Yeah. We're in ours as of recently. Weaver. Yeah. Weaver is has a report prepared that comes to us I think every Monday now. Okay. And so we'll have our secretaries put it on social media. Okay. And we've got some other things in work as well right now.

Okay. Thank you. because I had residents reach out. I guess I don't look at it, but Fox Elders is on there wanting to know why we can't see it. So that's why I wanted to know. Thank you for the clarification. So it will be on there. Okay. Any further discussion on the warrant on the register? Okay.

Okay. Then at this point, we'd like to open it up for the public to come up and and comment or discuss anything to do with the financial statement and warrant register. Okay, seeing no comment, then we will close the public comment. time on that subject and I would entertain a motion on on the discussion consideration of adopting the 20 March 2026 financial statement and warrant register.

I make a motion that we adopt the warrant register for March 2026 and financial statement at the same time. I'll second. Okay. We have a motion by Christy Bulat and we have a second by Lewis. All those uh this is a no. All we don't this is not we don't understand this one. Okay. All those in favor say yes. Yes. Yes. All those oppos say no. I I paused there for this reason. We did a bunch of resolutions in there. We better go through and do a roll call on the consent agenda. So, if you don't mind, would you do a roll call on the consent agenda, please?

Yep. You um how do you vote on the consent agenda? Council member Wester Blair. Yes. Council member Lewis. Yes. Council member J. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Wanted to make sure we had that correct.

Okay. Next is our discussion on a tenative city budget for 2627. Now, um before we get started, I'm going to invite Jamie up for just a second because we were sitting and she gave me a very clear definition of why we do this and what it is. So, I'd like you to come up and say that for us. Sorry, Jamie. that is when you were talking about it's it's there as a backup and and remember when I said what we needed tonight

on the council the reason why we need to tenative budget is because when we move forward into the budget s season if you will and by June 30 we have to have a final budget but if we can't come to a consensus the budget has to be adopted tonight as a tenative operating budget so that we don't have to close the doors till July 1 so that we have a continuing operating budget if the council cannot decide on one by June 22nd I believe it is um Lindsay has something to operate on until there's there's a budget adopted yeah I thought there was an interesting perspective view on it so

well I think that's super helpful to understand it's not permanent yes it's not permanent You can even adopt last year's budget if you wanted to and say this is what we're moving forward with. But yes, it is not a permanent document. So, thank you. And sorry people called me out like that. Just gave everyone a chance to see it, too.

Okay. Um, with that in mind, uh, Curtis, I'm sure you're going to need to be up here. Jamie, I imagine you'll need to be up here as well in case we have any questions. anyone that that's and as we discuss and open up questions um please by all means let's let's come up and and answer these questions. With that in mind um I'm going to let Lind Lindsay kind of tell us what you want you want to Curtis.

Do you want me to say something? Where do we want to go from here? I I did put some uh on the agenda. I put a couple spreadsheets, a spreadsheet and and and then there's also the the budget spreadsheet that Lindsay put together. And then there's also a comparison of what's different between what was asked like a month ago and what is being asked today. And so is that the one you emailed out the other day?

Yes. Yes. It's got one change on it that you'll notice uh for the the vehicles, a $600,000. I I pulled that out for now so we can have a different discussion. Okay. So, um, and then I, you know, I think I want to say, uh, Brent, in in part of your your comments earlier, I I really honestly feel that no one here is purposely trying to avoid talking to people. It's just we got these huge changes to go through from how we used to do it to how we're going to do it. And so let's try to get from there to where we want to go with more open communication and dialogue. Um, and we're going to trip along the way. And I apologize if we do do that, but we we most certainly want to make sure that everyone is involved in this process. Well, if I can just follow up on that. My my my comments earlier were a little little bit out of uh a little bit out of frustration. I'm a little bit out of uh concern for direction. I I I want I want the the city to run like a well with a machine. I mean and and I think we definitely have the capability to do that. Um, I just I think more information is more helpful and I um well and I can grant see it uh see how it runs moving forward. But I want to make sure that we're one we're treating our department heads like the like the experts. Um, I may be the liazison for police department, but I am now a police chief. Um,

Chief Wood oversees things that that I don't and and the same is true for the for the others. And so I'm I'm glad that Bo brought that up. Um, and then just moving forward, I want to make sure that we're that we're operating as our as our form of government is designed to operate and that that we're not deviating from that. Uh because that in and of itself can cause us problems as well. And as we because we go through these these things, I mean, what see what may seem like a little a little thing can, you know, if our trajectory is off by one degree here, you know, down the line, we're off by a mile. And so that's where the the communication uh part came in. I didn't mean for it to come off as abrupt as it as it uh is, but So, thank you. So, with that in mind, the budget right now as as it's presented on here has a savings of about 570,000.

Well, that's giving up every position that has been requested. Yeah. So the give was there were positions that were requested and by multiple departments and all of those positions were taken out. So that's the difference. 573,320 and is that to cover the capital changes that were put in? Is that why we haven't capital? Yeah, that was just well the vehicles right there. There was a $600,000 adjustment since we last talked, right? And that's not in here.

That's the number if you want to start putting money away for future vehicles that need to be $600,000 a year. Yeah. So, it's open for discussion. Can I Can I start? May please.

There's a a significant area that the city is now going to be required to be addressed. Cynthia, can you go to the um budget resolution? This 25 page on page um 20 of 25. For over five years, I've come before this council multiple times talking about the fact that our rates were in a position that need they needed to be considered for increase. At this point in time, if you look at uh page, so let's go down on two more pages, please. into the sewer. Yep, perfect. If you look right here, the sewer funds total revenues, um, this is the treatment plant fund. Let me rephrase that. Treatment plant fund. Treatment plant fund revenues are 2.414 million. Everybody see that very top green? The expenses for that are 2.243 and 200 bucks. However, this the revenues also include impact fees which cannot be spent on operations. So if we run the math, revenues minus impact fees minus the operating expenses, this fund is now projected to lose operated a loss of $89,200. Your your fees are no longer covering the cost of operations. This means the sewer the treatment plant fund is broke. in and if you prota if you consist continue on this path it will not just be broken it will be broke and there will not be money for any of the replacements let alone anything that's needed um as far as repairs or

anything so my message now is much more stern this city council must take steps to address rates in this fund to go down to the sewer fund Please. Sewer fund. So the sewer fund this is only for collection. So this is all the laterals coming in to the main lines that feed to the treatment plant. This fund has revenues of $46,400 expenses of $393150. However, also has impact fees of $100,000. That means that fund is now projected operated at a loss of 86,750. If we execute this plan, this fund is broke. And with the cash position that's in there, this fund is broke. So, this fund needs to have a rate adjustment immediately. If we go back up to fund 51, this is the water fund. I said this in the past that there's there's two things that define a city. Water in, water out. If you don't have water in, water out, you're not a city anymore. You're barely wasteland. If you want to have growth, you got to have water coming in. Water fund revenue 7.5 million expenses 6.931820 impact fees of 460. When we do the math that means the water net income before impact fees is 110,180. That will not meet your bond requirements. Failure to meet bond requirements could result in an automatic increase in the interest rate that they're allowed to charge or they could actually call the bonds. So you have a water rate structure that needs to be adjusted immediately or come 2027 when we do the financial when we do the audit there will be report that the bonds are out of compliance and they

will force you to do something. They could force you to raise rates. The storm drain fund is functioning on the low side. um it's only going to have net income about $44,000. That's not enough to really function for it. The solid waste fund is fine. It's running at a positive 32600, but it doesn't have anything that really needs to replace. It just recovers operating costs. So, it's fine. Um I know this sounds stern and I'm sorry I'm being very stern with council. I delivered this message for 5 years. down, you have to address it and I want to be very very clear. If you fail to address this, your water fund will not meet the bond covenants if we execute this plan. Where where was our breakdown in prior council's not getting it done? What what are the steps to increase the rates and operationally sustainable? Where where do we break down? Yeah, the numbers of what what it I mean obviously all we can get, but what is enough to be enough? Not just enough, but

um I think that's I think that's a for another meeting. I I will gladly pull I have a plan together and I've got it written down of a plan that would satisfy things. Um back about 10 years ago, there was a rate adjustment to the treatment plant fund. it was staggered over three years to break it down to where we could it made it more manageable to the average citizen. Um, and that was very effective. Um, so I have built up some plans based off of that same concept. Um, I can come back to the next city council meeting and we can discuss those and go much more into depth. Um, there's some complex studies we started down the path of trying to do complex spreadsheet and build it all out. We didn't have staff. we had turnover at the city manager position and that whole project just got lost. Um so coming back to your your point B we started delivering this message there was some push back there was some considerations about general fund needs then we had a whole bunch of turnover and a whole bunch of positions and it's just the culmination of all those factors. I'm not so worried about where we've been. I'm more worried about where we're going to go and and adopting rates. And I realize these are going to be hard rates to struggle when you're five years behind the rates. And inside those five years, we have the high inflation years. We have the 9 and 10% inflation years. And so we're just behind the eightball now. It's it's it's a cumulative effect. And and this is why rates should be considered every single year for an increase because we have to keep up with inflation. If we're not keeping up with inflation, we're falling behind. So, um,

sorry, what kind of time frame do we have? What on your recommendation on on, you know, coming back and and planning this out and presenting new numbers and implementing it? How long would you say we have before? But I I I totally get and agree that it is a problem now, but how long before it turns? Your water your main water revenue months are the months of May's a little bit June, July, August and September are your main months um that are really big for your for your water usage

because you still have some outside you still have outdoor water usage that's going on. But if if you if we don't adopt these rates until September or something like that and they go in place in October, I cannot guarantee compliance with water covenants. And can we go to the other extreme? Can they be adopted in our next meeting? Oh, okay. So, you have to wait for the budget year to do it in that those ones we'd have to go through the process. Most of the time you have to have a you you'd want at least one meeting to put out the fact that you're having a rate discussion.

So, so let's have him put together rates and bring it back to the next meeting. Okay. Now, um I want to get a little defensive and I won't. Please do. But, um yeah, there's not a lot there. It's not as simple as you've been saying this for five years and we failed. Okay. Um there's been inflation. There's been so many things that have hit and this year alone that you know it didn't look this bleak if you will. It looks bleak now and we need to react. Couldn't agree more.

Okay. But um um there's just been a lot of factors that have brought this about and inflation. hand. The other one that's a real problem is our we have been doing things with our impact fees and not getting those numbers back to the department where they belong. And that's another thing that's got to be addressed. And so it's just that we need to address a whole bunch of issues and get them fixed. Wouldn't the homes we bring in wouldn't that be more revenue? Isn't that more just like the tax thing?

Well, they they do help. Um, but you you've got some added costs that come along with those. Um, but it it's it's just not keeping up with all the inflationary factors and and all the other cost impacts. So, we're just this is just where we're at. I know the year before I got in was that 51% rate increase. Well, it was a tax increase, right? Tax increase. The 53. So that that was I I mean I was just from the outside watching it was like you know that was like pretty pretty significant. So

and that's what I'm trying to avoid and that's why developing more of like a three-year plan to implement this so that we can can structure up but that first year's got to be enough especially in water so we meet bond compliance.

So I just have a crazy question for you. Um, a lot of these developments, they've been using impact fees as concessions or the city has been paying to upsize rather than having the developers do that. What budget does the upsizing that we pay for come out of is it coming out of water? Is it And I would really like to know the fiveyear how much does the city pay out for all these developments that have been coming in and what budgets are these expenses coming out of? I to me that's important. So when when there's a capital project we have the the 700 series of accounts that's the capital

and all of that is captured in capital not operating. So we keep capital completely separate. That's why we have a whole separate set of accounts for those and that's why this budget is adopted without capital.

Um because I I will openly admit during those years we were presenting capital and operating together and it became confusing to distinguished and it was just it we we have improved and you're absolutely right mayor. Thanks for pushing back because we have improved that budgeting process to try and make it more clearly here's the operating revenues, here's the operating expenses, how are we doing, and then this is what we can set aside for capital. Um, but right now this this does not set aside anything for capital. And and and one of my frustrations since I've been here on council has been we do not have a capital facilities plan. I have asked for it at a nauseium out of our out of our staff and we don't have it. So we're expected to do the impossible and then when it's behind the eightball then we get told we're out of money. So that's not fair either to council. So we just got to figure out how to do this a different way.

We've got to work together and make Yes. Yeah. That's that vertical relationship I'm talking about. We just need to be on the same level. I really hope it's a horizontal capital. It's pretty vertical because things change and they do. This is these are operational budgets and the fees should be covering the expenses, right? They have to. They have to. And so we we have to fix the rates. And I guess I'm just a little bit caught off guard by the sternness, I guess, if you will. I've been tough too many times. I'm I'm being I'm being stirred for a reason.

Well, and and that's great. And let's get I'll sol Well, let's get it addressed because I don't think anybody on council is against the concept that an operational budget has to cover itself. I am a little caught off guard that it's so stern and oh, by the way, we're 100 grand behind. That feels like like like last year we should have said no, we next year we'll be behind. You have to do it. I didn't hear that message last year. I'm sorry if you didn't because that's what I thought I delivered. You did, but it when we were down to the conference, one thing that come up in my session that um

wait, he did say that last year. Um he says we need to start making I went back last year and I listened to the whole entire budget thing and it was boring but I um one of the classes they talked about the 501 bill 501 that Scott Sandal was sponsoring which would raise mandate that cities raise municipality rates for water and sewer for storm drain and things like that. It's pretty much guaranteed that that bill is going to come back around again. So, one town, they said if they do that, it's going to raise the rates over $2,000 a year per household. But if we're this low, we can't shoot ourselves in the foot. Because I actually, it's been ran through an AI program. And I appreciated the person that gave me the AI program on it um to show we're in trouble. We don't do something AI says. It's not exactly what they said, but it's the bottom line. So somehow in some way, man, I hate this part of this job.

I I'm I really am sorry. I Well, part of the reason I'm being stern is because I I think I have been a little bit almost too soft, but you still have a little bit of time. We're we're here. Well, that that's appreciated and and you know, as a council, we're flawed, too, right? We're making mistakes all along the way and learning how to be a city council. So, you may have heard it. We we missed it. That's an unfortunate position to be in, but let's let's address it. Have to.

Yeah. The the other thing why we're on the water thing is with the things we learned about water in at the in St. George and this is the lowest snowfall in the history of the state of Utah. We need to be conservative and we need to think about that. And so, uh, when you go back and do this, if at the approval of the council, I would like you to look also in maybe those, uh, tiers

and adjusting those tiers and maybe what can we do to push people more towards secondary versus, um, using culinary out on uh, their lawns. So, are you guys okay if if we ask them to do that? Does the secondary just water? Is that in that P2? Yeah, we we never separated out the two funds because we couldn't make the bonds work without combining them. Yeah, I know just from what I hear is it's the same price. So, why am I even going to worry about it? I'm really And this is something that

you know what I mean on this on the secondary and and it ought to be less. Yeah, I think Carl I think Carl had the answer for that a couple weeks ago and talked about the the PSI PSI rate. Like I didn't know that secondary was a much higher PSI. Oh, it is. And so if you So we're probably overwatering as a city in secondary without even realizing that turning that down. Is that fair? Secondary is lower rate. It's about 25 cents per thousand gallons lower than cold air,

but from I guess the regular guy, they're thinking, you know, they got to pay somebody to bore and hook up and all that stuff. So, one of the things that um if the if the council's okay um we can consider also if somebody there's a there's a rate difference if somebody has culinary available or sorry secondary available and there's they haven't hooked up and they're still using culinary there's a there's a a a premium pay charge to them. We could look at upping that premium to encourage the so they' be paying more for their culinary for using it and those higher amounts. What about those that have a well

I'm not deal I'm not jumping that's a whole council issue of how to deal with but I mean that comes into play because that's the situation we're in is we water we water our lawn from a well so we're not it wouldn't it wouldn't show up as the as the culinary but the the way that we'd have to there could be discussion among the council if you want to grant exemptions for well what you're saying is is there if they're not hooked to it and they got it and they're using this amount ount then they're going to pay more. They would pay more if you're if you're not use if you're using your regular amount then you're going to be you know what I mean? I think it's just you pay a culinary premium for you pay a premium if you have if you're using culinary and there's secondary

and the tier system is statemandated correct? Uh they yes that's what I thought

I just wanted to say in the interest of time um to change rates or impact these you need to do an impact fee study. You need to do a rate study. It's not wise to do that internally. It's best to do that externally and that's the standard practice. Curtis could come up with numbers. I could come up with numbers, but we need to and actually we've we've already started that that process for water. Some of the other ones we haven't done yet, but that will that will have uh a bunch of recommendations that the council can consider, options that you can implement or not, and we'll answer many of the questions in in the discussion that we're having tonight. That's that needs to be done. and we will be doing that. But

how long will that take? 6 months. It's pretty standard to from when we start till just said we can't wait till September. So So just to be clear, if you want if you want to adjust impact fees, those do require study. Correct. Currently in state law, there is no requirement to do a study just to increase water rates. That can be done by the city council. It's not. There's nothing in We can't wait till September, right? I wouldn't recommend it. I don't think you'll be in compliance with your bond covenants. What do you think?

Yeah, come back. I say come back with what some rate proposals and but we need to make sure we're doing what the other thing to keep in mind is rate. We don't have a lot of we need to be careful about using the terms rates, fees, whatever. There's not a lot of fees in place for the utilities. The rigs cover basic operations, basic budget stuff, repair and replace, that kind of thing. Impact fees only cover new

new new infrastructure. and and a lot of that new infrastructure when it benefits more than just the growth that's contemplated for that which the city's done a lot um is is only partially funded and that's part of the impact problem. So you have to that's one reason why I would recommend doing those things conjunctively so that you're painting the the overall picture. We're looking at the whole picture and not just the growth and repair and replace separately. They have to be integrated to some degree. Would you agree with that? If we had time, there's wisdom in doing it that way. So you contemplate with with the impact fees. Does everybody understand that if it benefits more than just the new growth, the existing people are responsible for paying for some of that? So you could we literally have projects and and this was apparent in transportation where the growth was only going to pay for like 10% of the road project and so we didn't adopt that project that portion of the impact fees. Um what what's being conveyed the way I understand it is if you understand that there's going to be a project that needs to be done funded by impact fees, your rate structure should be adjusted for what the current residents are going to have to pay to make sure that you fund that portion of the project as well. So um there is there is wisdom if you if we have time to to do that. What I'm proposing is a jump start to the rate structure increase. We definitely need to do an impact fee study. And in conjunction with that, we can do the water rate study that goes

along with it to make sure whatever gets adopted inside the impact fee has a water rate that structure that supports not just what the water fund needs for ongoing operations, but also that portion of the capital that those residents are going to have to be paying within the next seven years, six years, because that's all an impact fee can go out is six years. So, um, there is what Carl's saying there, there's wisdom, too. It's just we're so far behind the eightball that we need to jumpst start this process is what I'm belie at at St. George by several people and I don't know that I disagreed is they they would really a lot of cities are doing annual impact fee studies and and and looking at their impact fees every year. as some and when you look at it over the long haul, it actually ends up being less expensive than just doing it every five years because the fee is so much less. And so, um, I would I think we ought to think about that and look at it and see and see if that pencils in.

I think it's worth looking at.

Yeah. And a lot of what and I've done that before and they set up give you tools that you can kind of use yourself plug in what's changed over what you projected and then you already have the spreadsheets or whatever the tool. It's really just having those tools and then putting the changes in and it's not hard to do every year. And is it would it make sense logically for this year to make the increases match what would cover our operational expenses while we're and and try to figure put a formula behind that because we want to we don't want to overcharge our our residents. We want to break even on an operational fund for now while we get the impact fee figured out and then also the study the data back behind future so that we're you know we're we're planning accordingly

and I'm not saying break even at zero obviously budget in budget in a responsible path like any budget you plan for it's not have it's you've got to have you got to cover the cost of replacing the assets plus the inflationary costs that are going to come off of replacing those assets. But again, and this comes back to my original frustrations, we have no capital facilities planned. So, how are we planning toward anything that we don't have a game plan for? We're being asked to budget for the future towards something that's completely unknown. And that's an impossible task on council. Well, but we do have a list of all the capital assets, and that's all that that's all. But not the not the replacements.

I've never seen one. There there's a there's a depreciation schedule. Well, I mean that if if that's what you're asking for, I what are the future assets needed to be purchased andor replaced and at what timing is that going to be? That's what I'm asking. Well, every single one of those assets on there is going to be replaced at some point

because I don't know how to plan net income allocations toward what you know our our budget surplus toward capital. So we can start what good looks like is that that the the 700 funds are all full of line items operationally because we're planning inside of our budget for the future assets that need to be purchased. But we have no game plan for what assets need to go in on that on the 700 funds besides vehicles. The 700 accounts isn't that aren't they? The 700 accounts are the are the capital purchases. You're confusing the capital funds which are the 41 40 40 41 and 42. Okay.

With the line item 700 which go into the annual budget for where we're going to spend the actual capital in that one year. Okay. Well, four 400 is it

the the the 40 the 40 funds are the ones that are capital. But that has nothing to do with the enterprise funds because the enterprise funds have to be self- sustained. Well, it kind of it it does have something to do with it though because if for example Carl talked to us and we want to put $12 million into an upgrade into our plan. Okay. Well, that needs to be included in the capital facilities plan and then we start are we putting the money aside to get ourselves to that 12 million inside that fund. So we still need to have the future capital investments in we you do but that would only be in fund 52 that would be in the 40 funds.

There's a big difference legally there is we we do have capital facilities plans we do have them. We don't have we've never seen capital facilities plan. We have capital facilities plans that are specific to each utility and they're old and they're outdated,

but they're not correlated to the budget discussion that we're having here. So, we've got to connect the dot because how are we as a council supposed to plan for the future and approve budgets in the current with no vision of what that future looks like? So, you you have a lot of expectations at the sewage plant, for example. How do we know what that looks like? You've given us documents that we went on a tour that was helpful, but those aren't correlated into the future budget. We have no vision of that. Jamie,

so quick question. So just just for simplifying in the water fund, you said for operations this year we're behind 100,000. No, we we will we'll the net income the operating revenues will exceed operating expenses by $100,000 $110,000 but that is not enough to cover the bond covenants. Okay. Nor is it enough to cover the replacement of assets. It's just

I just I'm just operations because just right off right off the top to cover the 100,000 is $2 for the base rate just so that you can put a number to it. Okay. So it's $2 a month. So, um, $24 a year is kind of what we're looking at. Hopefully, I don't commit just for water, just the base rate. Okay.

I There's some confusion on here about terminology and whatnot between the capital facilities plan and the capital projects plan, which the capital projects plan that we keep talking about is your repair and replace or new infrastructure. capital facilities plan has everything to do with impact fees and how they kind of correlate with repair and replace. It's the upgrades. Wait, so capital project plan is repair and replace. Repair and replace. Capital facilities plan is future new and upgrades. Okay. So, we got to make sure that we're keeping them separate.

So, you guys are talking all about the same thing. kind of talking in circles. So, I just kind of wanted to clarify that. Um, thank you.

I need you to give me some time. This is my my se seventh day. Okay. So, I need to give you give me some time. I'm actually meeting with him on Thursday morning to talk about projects plan talk about this I call it the CI infrastructure, right? Um things that are on my goal list is number one number and I got it in front of me is cash flow. Okay, I'm trying to get wrap wrap my head around cash flow where we are in budget. I've been studying last year's audit, studying this year's budget and the the budget we're talking about tonight, right? Next year's budget. Um I've also got a capital plan and then um

which the c the repair okay capital projects fun actually it'll kind of be both but more towards this

um that's the main part of the job. This part's easy. Once it gets figured out, we just plug it in, right? And then, um, just so you know, there's some things that I'm going to expect from you to to move forward, council goals, council priorities, and I'm going to need that from you. Um, and it's going to look different for everybody. And I think that that's great. And I love that I love to hear that there's leaison. I think that's that's great. And then another thing too is I'm just coming in as an outsider, right? So I'm coming in and hopefully that we're doing the right things. Um, and it sounds like, you know, it's a whole brand new team and I think we've got a lot of great people that know what those right things are. We're trying to come together. So I hear you, Council Member Dex, when you're talking about there's some department heads kind of feel like they've been left out. give us a chance. Um, that's not how I operate. I don't think that's how Lindsay operates. I don't think that that's how any of us will operate moving forward. And it's my goal to sit down like I'm starting with with Carl here on Thursday to sit down and say, "What keeps you up at night?"

Um,

what is it that you need? What is it that you know? And I plan on doing that. I I I got to meet with the chief for just a little bit. Um, but I there's so much more information in there that I need to know. So, it's coming together. Just give us some time and we'll get there. Um, I I hope to see that we'll have a lot more meetings because there's so much that we need to figure out. And then, right, what the county just dropped on us, it's going to be even even, you know, even even better. And um I love to hear that you know EDC is a big is a is a big priority sounds like for the council. So we'll get there just give us some time. So you're you're you're I hear you and we'll get there. And if I and if I can mention it, that's what I see is I see us heading in the right direction and we're we're going from one place to another and we're right we're more over here and maybe we maybe we just need to give we need to give everyone some grace and trust that they're going to come back to us with a good budget on the next one with uh and let's just share our concerns of what we would like to see in it. you know, and and maybe not spend so much time on debating the terminology and that, but we would like to see a capital facilities plan. We'd like to see a capital projects plan. We'd like to see this and then let's let our our city employees go and get that done for us.

We started a capital projects plan last year and it was like the $21 million price tag, right? Was it 180? Darn it. That was capital facilities plan that was future facing right there was capital projects plan is in a rear it's it's repair it was mixed everything so it was that's why we keep referring to as one because we have one giant that was one big thing that kind of grew way too big so I'm optimistic we're going to go in a good direction

I think we're put that on sticks be positive. That's what we're gonna put on the capital. I like where you're going with this, Jamie. Thank you for your insights. Welcome. I mean, this is good. You're going to Let's figure out those rates and and then let's let's get working on our our impact fees and we've got a lot of improvement we can make. Should we should we shoot to our general fund really quick or are you done with what you needed? Those are that was the big message I need. Okay. Receipt. Yeah.

Okay. So, now let's general fund. It's always Carl's fault, isn't it? Can I just make one suggestion that would help me a lot? It says fund 41 41 fund summary. Is there any way, and this was brought up last year, it could say um police fund rather than number then we don't have to go have those memories. No, I don't have it memorized. And I'm going, okay, wait a second.

And they brought it up last year and I was hoping it'd be on there this year. So if for nobody else's sake, just put it on. And I I personally, if we could, I'd like us to separate out the police fund into its own fund, especially with this revenue coming in from um Garland. That's something that you and I discussed. It's there's just technical definitions of what special revenue fund is. And okay, without a without a revenue source, it's really hard to call it a special revenue fund. Um but they have a revenue source now. And that's the Yeah. Okay. and and something to think about.

It's it's something we talked about and it's something I wanted to have Jamie on board me so we talk through and really decide how this can really function because the revenue source should be a significant component that this accounting standards indicate that the revenue source should be a significant component of the total the total um expenditures of the fund. um otherwise but it's it's possible. So we we can talk back. Yeah, that's the that's the challenge.

And I I just want to express gratitude. I I hope I haven't come across like I running a city is like 15 companies inside of one company. You're you got to run. I mean like and you all have to be in unison. It's tricky and like you're skilled and I'm so excited to have you and yes, we're putting the pieces together,

right, that that we needed to be able to accomplish what we got to get and you know, so I'm I'm excited. I'm really excited. I uh I I was flinching a little bit at the the sternness, you know, so I appreciate it and would have passed if there if there's something that we as council can do. What I never want our heads or anybody around us to feel like, well, I told council and they didn't listen. Right. So if we're not listening, you just did that. Yeah.

And I agree. I didn't get it last year. I didn't get you, you know, you brought up I didn't get it with that dire need. Yeah. And and I think anybody that wasn't there, whether it be anybody that was sitting there, unless you're sitting up here making them decisions because you have the whole budget to worry about, I feel better about having everybody because we might be more of a the end result than we shouldn't be worrying about what number, whatever. If it comes in our in our numbers, we're we're fly.

These guys are getting what they need with what they got. We're being bombarded with info too, right? And and conflicting conflicting things that both are priorities. So if there's any heads that feel like they have I'd rather them stand up and say, "Hey, I feel like you haven't listened to us in the past. I need you to hear what we're saying right now." Right? Like thank you. Please do. It's invited. Okay. Where do you want to go from here, council? Um, well, if it's open, I'd like to uh talk about the proposed I am insane.

What's that? What did you say? Oh, his phone said, "Are you insane?" Yes. Yeah, we are. Right. Sorry. Okay. So with the uh the fiscal year 27 original it was proposed with the 4,768,700 and revised down to 4 million 613,400. How many how many officers does that employ?

One cut. one cut and that's the one that was on on hold from last year for the Hasn't even been a year though, right? When was that? It was October 24. No, October last year. Was it 25? It was It was 25.

Okay. Yeah. August. Um, my I I just have a have a concern with the our our call responses are going up, the violent crimes are going up, our everything is going up, and we're trending down the opposite way. Um, and maybe there's an explanation on uh on 1090, the transfer to other funds, where whatever that transfer to other funds sees an increase of 233,000. Um I the effect of the effect of losing that that position in order to fund those increases. It it saved us from from losing what chief six

I think we estimated probably four on our turnover or six. It really depends. It's really traumatic and I'm happy to come talk to Mike if you want please. I I I gotta just I got to throw this out and I all respect but I would like see where the trending down is and go three or four years on that total budget of the police department two years because I think at least me and Bo and Brett we I mean it seems like we've done a lot and I know you need more and we're not trying to be Yeah. But to say we're trending down I I I don't think so.

No, no, no. I'm not when I said trending down, I'm saying our our crime rate is is Well, I I I I know that. I'm just saying budget-wise. I mean, well, I'm Okay. So, where I'm saying they're trending down, I'm looking at the the numbers that may emailed out that that shows the the green is trending up and the red is as down. So, I'm I'm talking about the the numbers on the uh council packet. But that was just from what we brought you in April versus now. If you look at your budget last year, it's trending up two. No, it's turning up a lot. It's almost It's not quite 1.2 million that it's going up.

All that's showing is just the difference between what I showed you in April versus what I'm showing you today for this budget. up to. So, we're not taking any money away from the police department from like what they got this year. So, this one shows why would that not be enough for an allocation, a manpower allocation?

I I would guess that's probably because of the Garland contract if I was a betting man because that's the only way that the numbers add up after reviewing it. Um, we are bringing on fourth from Garland, but in theory those would pay for theirel with the 700,000. I don't know how we're working the 700,000 if it's going directly to the police budget, but in practical boots on the ground language, we would go from 21 allocations to 20 while the population rises and crimes rise. And I I have a concern with that. Um, Christine has been doing a fantastic job and one thing she's done is she's asked our opinions and how these new developments are going to to impact us. And um, I love you both, but this is for the first time ever, I'm now starting to feel like we should pause because if we're going to be reducing my staff while we add developments, we're asking for trouble. I mean, I can give you two case studies, one in Salt Lake City, one in South Salt Lake where they did that and it cost them 4x over a short period of time when they were at responding to crisis.

I guess when you when you say I love you both, what are you referring to the early discussion about moratorium?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's more and I don't care how we define it. It's more for from a department head perspective. I just want to grow responsibly and I know we want that together. Um, I don't care how we do that and maybe it's adding that, but I think, uh, Chrissy has a valid point and, you know, it seems like the department heads are on board with that just because we know the operational realities. Um, I do believe the city will grow and send in a positive direction, but I don't think we're going to get there quick enough to deal with the current problems we're facing. And just for context, the last year eliminating our the worst tragedy we've ever faced and I've ever faced in law enforcement and the saying something. Um, not counting that, I've relied on three relationships with outside agencies to help us handle high priority cases. And if they were to bill me, and we're thank like I'm I'm truly thankful for this. um we're probably $50,000 reimbursement fees, but because of those relationships, we haven't had to pay those. Um what I can tell you is goodwill only goes so far and at some point we have to start paying our way. It's the right thing to do as good neighbors to preserve those relationships. So, I don't like that. I want to be able to self- sustain and meet the demand of what we're facing. Uh we're working on a pretty big case that's probably going to hit the news in the near future. and that will be an example of what we're we're struggling with. So, one thing I love that you said is, "Hey, we got to get on the ground with you guys and know what's going on in your departments." Absolutely. I think that would be a huge wakeup call. I'm glad you did that for public works. And um that's just my concern. I don't think we should continue to grow if we can't keep what we have. And if our trajectory is we're going to continue to cut officers with a bigger population,

it's a bad ending. Can I just say something? A while ago, I talked to the mayor about this and I don't even know if it's even legal, so somebody throw it out there if it is or isn't. Hey, hang on. Um, with all the new growth, we tal I talked to the mayor about adding a public safety fee per door. Is that legal? I think Brent checked into this a little bit. No, I believe they just took it out of legislation. They did. They took out the the utility fee, like the monthly utility fee for bonding services.

If you already had one in place, then you have until July of 27 to disband it. So that was the transportation utility fee that was discussed last year. That's still we can still do. That's not So what was this fee? Just for public safety. Okay. What does the moratorum correlate to with that discussion? I I'm I'm trying to understand the connection that was a fair question earlier that I'm still totally open for. Sure. Asking questions.

I think we need to take action to ensure we're not growing irresponsibly. And if we do grow while we cut staff, that's irresponsible in my opinion. And I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't advise you on possible public safety issues because I don't want to be in that responsive position. Again, we're relying a largely on goodwill. Um it's not a great way to do business and I I don't want that to run out when we need it. And it would be nice to return the paper sometimes, too. So, that's my position. If we can accomplish the same thing without that word I probably won't pronounce correctly, um by all means, let's do that. I just because I see your your dilemma. You you don't want to scare away good developments that are good for our city, but what we've seen from boots on the ground over the years is more developments that aren't paying for theirel. Impact fees are great and I think Christiey's done an amazing job getting feedback from other areas on how to utilize those. But the problem with the police department is we we require money year-over-year costs and impact dues might help pay for vehicles and things, but it doesn't pay for the salaries. I mean, our I've really went through our budget relentlessly and it's like 85% is manpower. You know, there's not a whole lot of wiggle room unless we cut out things that I don't think we should cut out, but I'm open to in the interest of keeping our staffing up. and that would be training, that would be peer support, things that are critical. So, um, I'm concerned. I love that you guys are excited about the future. And I think there are some exciting things coming, but for me, it's what keeps me up at night is thinking we don't have the resources we need to handle the problems that we're facing now and what we're going to face in the future, if that makes sense. So, so in your plan, I mean, we we didn't fill that spot, but is I mean, you say cutting officers. Do we cut

officers other than the one you sacrificed in August?

Yeah, that that would be the cut if it is a cut and I don't know to be honest. I don't know if we voted that last time. I think that's something we should probably talk to because I know that we have requirements when we're going to make manpower changes under this current form of government and I'll refer that to our legal um it's beyond me. But that's the thing I I don't know. I don't know if that's suspended. If it's my preference and it helps the council and it helps us have water and sewer and you say, "Hey, can we suspend that another year?" We'll make it work. We We want to be partners. We're all on the same team. I just I don't love the idea of cutting a position as we face more growth and bigger problems and we're facing bigger cases. There's just no question. Well, there's no doubt that the police department and the fire department and every one of our departments need to grow.

Yeah. With our growth. Okay. And I guess that's where I come back with what Jamie said. And please, everyone, give us some trust and and let's work together and let's get a plan out there where we can start to give everyone what they need. We can get your police department up. We can get the fire department where they need to be. It just we got a ceiling we're hitting and it's a budget. We What do we do? We've got to start bringing revenues in. Yeah. Okay. And we do. and and I can see areas where we can really go out and pull in a lot of revenue in the next two to three years. And um

and I'm not that my vision of that is not around residential houses, town homes, those are going to become where people are going to ask for them and our land use plan. If we need to adjust it, we do it so that it's appropriate. But the but you can't cut off the revenue that's going to solve we have a revenue problem. Yeah, I agree. And and so and so if we if we if we inflict a stop on any sort of way on our revenue problem, we're biting off our hand. That's all I'm scared about. Sure. That's why I'm asking the question.

And maybe that's my misunderstanding. I'm sure I share that with multiple people. If if we're talking business, yeah, I'm on board the business all day. That that's what I was trying to communicate earlier. That's what I was talking about. Somebody because you know the taxes are 100%. You know the all that. Yeah. I I get that. I'm in the role sitting with interested businesses. Okay. And they're considering Tremont or Brighgam City. Yeah. And we're talking big revenue that could change our budget. Yeah. So when I hear and and if you're that person and you're trying to decide Bighgam City, you know, Perry, you're trying to decide where you're going to locate and you hear the word moratorum, you're not coming here.

Sure. There's too much money at stake. And so we're cutting off a revenue source that's going to solve a lot of our problems that we're having right now. And that's what I'm trying to warn against. Okay. And and that was my misunderstanding then. are I'm basing it on history and it seems like it's residential development after residential development and I'm getting these new developments from Christine. Again, I think she's doing a wonderful job and that freaks me out. But as far as business, I'm never going to bat against the business. I mean, I understand we need that down here and I'm we have an industrial park ready to go over there. We need to fill it up,

right? that and if if the word moratorum is thrown all over the place, they're going to hesitate, which you got to be careful. That makes sense. But I think it's it would be helpful for me to plan for the next year to figure out did we cut a position? Are we cutting position this year? And did we do that through the right government process? And if we did, that allows me to plan. But it my other question I guess would is next year are you going to ask me to cut another position as we continue to grow? We don't want to. Exactly.

No. You know and I I don't know that we're asking I'm asking all of us to get on this level together and figure this out. Okay. My biggest frustration was last year we were put in this position to make all these decisions and you guys were put in a position to defend everything. How do we get that away from that to where we're setting the goals and the expectations and you guys are just finding a way to make it work, you know, and how do we work together on this instead of, you know, well, you guys are and you didn't say this. I'm throwing this out. You guys cut me another person or or you didn't do this. It needs to be more as a city. And I loved you what you said. I can I can take it for another year. You know, thank you. That's the kind of attitude we need. Knowing now, of course, I'm not in the city council anymore. I don't make a decision, right?

Sure. But knowing that if we start to accomplish our goals and start moving forward, we're going to fix all of these problems. Right. Okay. But we have to get aggressive and we have to start fixing these problems. And it's revenue on there. We've got to go after grants. we've got to go after and we we are finding some areas where we're making cutting some expenses and that helps. is not going to add some. You know,

there are going to be ancillary businesses to the data center that are looking at the area now saying where are we going to build? We we are a supplier and I need a location that's close. Where else is closer than treemons into the data center snow, right? I they don't have industrial parks ready to go. We we have to protect that. Right now, we have an opportunity if that goes through from an economic development standpoint. I'm not saying I'm for or against data centers. What I'm saying is as a city and a stewardship, we have to be the most attractive industry opportunity on to build, right? And that's the only reason I'm getting defensive about the moratoruming. No, if anything, I found it educational because we were just on we're on the same page, but we were communicating differently. I thought it was

and I think it's going to create an opportunity for us to have the best paid officers in the state. Yeah, we're going to we have a unique opportunity right now. Um, if we can if we can just be the most attractive city, right? But we've got to play our cards right. and and you got to do your job or we're not attracted. Yeah. So, it's it's all of us. Jeff's, Carl's, Zach's, everybody's. That's the problem for me is we got all them to fill. And you have you and Jeff have better reasons to add than these guys, but then these guys need the same thing. And so, that's what I'm just hard.

Yeah, I know you guys are in a tough position. And and you know, I can only speak for me, but I I've heard from other department heads as well. We felt frustrated, too, because as far as the clarity on the 20 officers instead of 21, I just really got clarity on that today. Um, so we need to do a better job of communicating. And also, I'm still unclear as if we officially cut that position or suspended it. to the point that we went back and rewatched all that's semantics to me and so you may need to correct me because either way it's 20 well I think that I think on the on the semantics part is if it's a if it was a position cut

then that allocation is not there whereas if it was if it was suspended let's say that all of a sudden our our sales tax revenue skyrockets or we have something happen in the meantime that would then three or four months from now would all of a sudden open that position up to be funded.

Okay. So it's there now. We don't have to worry about it because it it's it's an allocated that that is suspended because of budgetary. So I don't I don't see the I don't see it as a semantics. I think it's depending on the on the very real scenarios that we're talking about. if we find the money to, you know, to do that and to take care of the needs of of others and and everything like that, you know, then that it puts us in that position by saying, "No, we're we're a lot of 21. We just can't fill 21 right now."

Well, and to Brent's point there, an example is the grant I had for the safe schools program. It funded an officer for multiple years and the council approved it and it was successful. um that same opportunity is open now. And so rather than, you know, if that happens, it's a lot easier to put an officer in that position with your approval. I I don't know that we need approval if we still have the allocation, but we have a funding source for that.

And also, just legally speaking, my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is if we're going to cut a position, that's a decision the council would have to vote on unanimously. And it's ambiguous. We don't know what what that last year was and it's not clear in the meeting. So I think if we are going to go that route, I will respect the council's decision and I'll support it. I would caution against it as we see the future. Um but I think we should probably go through and officially make it clear what we're going to do and what our intentions are. Um just for the interest of being open with the public and so we're all on the same page. But as far as the spending, yeah, I see your position. I'm okay getting through the next year. But if we continue to go down, we're going to be having the curse talk with the council,

which from now on, forever on. Yeah, that's great. No, and we just need to get aggressive in our goals and get the revenues coming in so we can do the same care. We we just need to and we need to do it together and we're all on the same page. And so, um, I I personally don't see why we need to come in and say, "Oh, it's a cut or it's not. If it's an allocation and we think of it as an allocation, let's keep it there. And then if if we grow and we got the we can feel the position, let's do it. You know, I like that. Well, need to add into the budget. What I was saying earlier with, you know, when

by the moratorum can we do leg legislatively we're we're making decisions anyway. That's what I was meaning by that is that if if if an apartment complex came in that was substantial and that's going to put undue burden on the fire department or the the police department and we don't have the funds for that. That's when we that's an item that we would say no we can't approve this. We're not going to have the budget for a police department. Right? Like that's what I was meaning by that is legislatively we need our heads to weigh in on every development like Chris is doing and that would give us a reason a legal reason to say no to a development. Um other than

I think you're I think there's only certain things you can do that with and I don't think correct is one of them. That's not one of them police. Police I I don't think that's one of them because it's general fund property tax. Yeah. But we would also have the property tax correlated and we would need to make sure that we're allocating the pro the general fund would be going up due to the development. It's not enough to cover everything. That's that's the that's the part is

and and historically let me phrase this. There have been times in the past where the growth factor of property tax has been used to fund cost of living increases. So or basic inflationary increases. And so there's just a matter of it it comes back to what mayor said it's an allocation. How do we allocate these funds? And so it becomes really hard to say, well, if there's growth over here, we're going to directly use that for police when you have other places screaming for those same funds. It's it's how do we allocate this? Um I like how the mayor explained that if we have so much to allocate, how are we going to allocate it? And if there's little increase, how does that allocate up? that there's a big increase. Where we at? So, how do you feel about the current budget? And then we'll ask Jamie and the the crew to go back and and start looking over things and pulling everything back in and and come back with uh we would hope by the time we do our final budget, we have a capital improvement plan. We have a capital projects plan and we have our general plan.

He's strong a lot but at least the start. Yeah. Any other questions for the police? And I can't stress enough with we got a lot of you here. I I want everyone to feel like we're all on the same team. I I feel so strongly about that. You know, I'm going next week out with your officers. You know, I hope I feel w I'm sure I'll feel welcome, you know. I'm not I don't want to feel guys come to see you early. Yeah. You know, but how do we how do we all get on the same team and work together?

I I think that starts with you guys. I I mean, the frustration's like we have we're not we're not doing it with with you, but it it starts with you guys. If they think we're all against them, which we're not against any of anybody, then that's a problem. It comes I mean, if Jeff Group thinks that we don't support them, which we do, but it just cannot happen overnight. And and my frustration was I feel like we've done quite a bit with the police department. And I thought we were doing great. And then you know that then my my perception was that it was like it's not enough and and that was frustrating. So then it kind of puts me on the defense

and I think it was it it was enough right then. We were I know of I know of four of our guys that had uh that were in the middle of testing with other agencies that we would have that we would have and we realized that. Yeah. And so it definitely saying it wasn't needed but it's like

Yeah. And and as far as the appreciation goes, I can I can tell you every single every single person appreciated that. It's where the frustration isn't whether or not the the officers feel the council's support. It's the we're redlining. I mean, we the the investigation side inundated to the point that we we can't investigate misdemeanors. I mean, we got so many child abuse cases and and weird death cases that are that are taking a ton of time and putting max hours in. Um, we've got all of these things happening. We got our patrol guys that can't take time off because of of minimums and and they're going call to call. I mean, we're at that red line. So, that's what

I know you are, but I know Jeff is too and that's my guy. Yeah, six positions he's asked for that I've taken out of the budget. What I'm trying to say though is that it's not a we're not saying that there's a that it's not a support thing. It's it's that we're redlining and something's got to give. And the hard part for me is is I know I know Jess is because I was in that part and the people my age are out and they don't have the help and it's I mean it's the same thing and the same with Zach's. I mean I go to all these ball things and we're way behind as far as all this stuff. We just have a whole bunch with just not enough money.

That's the problem is the budget. If we could come up with a magic number that would help everybody's revenue I would revenue problem budget I brought to you everyone's for operational we haven't even talked about now that only left us with 31,000 or $37,000 well and that's one thing when we southern Utah it said pay your bonds off early get out of debt pay your bonds up early. Um, everybody 35% should be left over for

safety for savings just in case something happens like it did with the building here. Um, you can't you can't predict that. So, this is hard. It's It's hard. We We spent a bunch of our savings with our tragedy. Oh, yeah. And we needed to. Yeah. But it was a lot. And it's a good thing we had it.

Yeah. We got beat up on that, too. Um, I'm happy to report we didn't lose anybody like Brent's ticket, right? And it's because of your swift action. And I want to clear the air. Our guys do appreciate the council. They're just feeling the pressure of a growing up community. We are facing crimes and things that we've never seen before. And we just have to handle those professionally and be able to provide the level of service people deserve out here. And even if the council came back and they're like, "Hey, we're going to give you a 30 today." Um, I would tell you no, I'm not going to take advantage. I'll tell you what we need for next year. Um, and I could tell you the year after, but what freaks me out as a police chief, what keeps me up at night, I love that analogy, is all the potential developments.

U because I'm supposed to plan strategically so we can be successful and take care of our residents. And that's hard to do when I I'm calculating the population increase. And that's that's what concerns me as far as this year. If you guys need us to to find spot, suspend a position, whatever that is, we're on board. But I I would like to to find those things so I can plan strategically for the next couple years. That's what we need to do. Yeah.

You know, I' I've got a tool that I put together for development and it takes into account all of the the impact fees. It takes growth for police and for fire and sales tax revenues and all this. And then we can put those numbers in and we can see this is what this development needs to bring to the city in order to break even. And we need to put tools like that in place so that if this development is coming in and they're doing this, this, and this, the police will be funded, the fire will be funded, we'll have the parks, all of that information. And so that's what the planning department's trying to do is get everything in place so that when we grow, you guys can grow. Well, and and and systems like that allow growth to happen without shortage of officers, right? But you have to be on front of it. And likewise with with infrastructure on sewage and all of that, which is why those capital plans are so important. Yeah, I can mention

but but but also with that, you know, we can have a capital plan but still have $37,000 on the bottom line. Now what? So if we have data to back it now, we as a council can can approach truth and taxation or whatever it is to be able to do that. And you know, I think we're all willing to do what we need to do with data, but without data, I'm not going to go to the citizens and say we're raising rates or we're doing truth and taxation, but I have no backing to tell you why that we that's and that's why I think historically we don't and we wait years and then we have a 59% what was it

53 that you guys had to do. That's what I don't want to do. Yeah, I don't want that either. Let's just do it with data right now when we need to with really good educated information for the public to understand the why and be very good about getting revenues that outpace it. I mean, um, one thing that we need to mention in here is we did get the firemen up to their rates that they they should be at.

Okay? We didn't take that out. We we got into their step raises or what, whatever you want to call it, but we got the firemen up to where on par on par. Okay? And and and we felt strongly about um just the current fireman. the current environment. I agree. I know. I know. But I just we want people to understand how much, you know, we want everyone to be treated fairly and we appreciate it. Well, thank you for that discussion. We

What we need to do now? Well, the one thing we we need to do now is we need to um I need a motion to uh accept approve the tenative budget. Adopt I guess is the Yeah, adopt. Yeah. So, is it that is that is it the one you just showed us and then they'll go back and we'll come up with a better with a little bit more. Again, this is the backup plan for I mean it is the it is the budget given that we don't approve them by June. Continuation. Exactly. I'll make the motion.

I'll second it. We have a motion by Councilman J and a second by Councilwoman. Uh would you like to do a roll call, please? member poster. What's your vote? Yes. Council member Lewis. Yes. Council member J. Yes. Council member. Yes.

Okay. Thank you. Um, thank you for the discussion. I thought I thought we accomplished a lot tonight. Um, city leadership report. We changed it from city manager to report to city leadership report. With that in mind, are there any department heads that would like to take a few minutes and talk? I said, so I won't take any more time.

Um, this this not, you know, um, please, you're welcome to come up and talk and and and that. Um, we want you to feel like you're you're welcome in this meeting as well as any other. Okay. Um, hello council. I just wanted to give a few updates. Um, the parks and trails and open space master plan is uh being it's been reviewed um and they're finishing up the final details on that. Um and then I believe it will go to planning commission to for approval to bring to you guys uh within this next um month, right? I believe

what was the name of that the master plan for the parks and trails open space. Yeah.

Um so so that's um we had a lot going on um and a lot of other things. So we are behind schedule for that. Um but it is coming soon and uh I I believe it'll be a great uh tool to use as we we move forward. Um maintenance work uh on the Jenny Stevens Park walking trail and parking lots is starting this week um to uh seal the parking lot to um keep it in in decent shape as we go to the future. Um so that'll be starting. So there there may be some uh I know a lot of people walk. We have a notice out um for that. Um but just want to let you guys know that that's starting this week. Uh also there was there was some damage done to the stage at Schuman Park. The during one of the storms the roof um almost blew completely off. Uh it lifted up and blew back. So we will be replacing the roof at the stage at Schuman Park. Um and at that same time they'll also on the back of the stage and adding some storage um to the back of the stage um that the library will use as their their storage. They have no other place for storage in that facility and they've kind of got so they need some something there.

Yes. Yeah. It was budgeted within the last budget. So probably

yeah um we received some grants from the um tourism works. So the tab grant um I wanted to bring a few to your attention. We did I worked with a community member um that is hosting a regional water school um tournament over at Bear Hall Lakes um and it's going to bring people from all over the entire West um to come to town and uh it'll be at least a week long maybe I two weeks long I can't remember the details but I worked with them on receiving a $5,000 grant from them um and uh we'll be working with them to get those professional athletes staying in town and um being here with us. I also received a grant for a mural that we'll talk about in RDA. Um so that one, but also received a $30,000 grant for our parking lot at Stevens, but there's some issues with that. um some other budgeted monies uh came in over double or expenditure. So we don't have the matching funds to complete that project on that. So I've talked with Carl and there needs to be some other work done on that bridge and intersection at 600 North and 1000 West. So I propose that we return that money. unfortunately. Um but we don't have a foreseeable future on when that project will be done able to use that. Um is there any questions or thoughts on that from the council?

How much is your budget to do the park? Um when we got it all engineered um we had $100,000 um to do it. The estimate came in at 320,000. um which was well over this was something that was budgeted 10 or so years ago and before I was in a a position to do it um and it was never done so that money was return and so I tried to bring it back um and then I requested more roll over from the extra funds to do the the trail and the parking the other parking roll that over, ask for some more and get this grant was the goal, but um the second round for the trail and the parking lot uh doubled again within 6 months. Um so I don't feel comfortable coming back and asking for a couple hundred thousand from the council during this budget

to fix that project. So I think Carl and I just need to work together in the future. So it's sad to see that go, but I feel that's the right move is to let that give that back to the the tourism board and hopefully be able to use it in the future.

Um, we continue to see high demand for increased park space. That's something we'll work on. Um, we've talked about rap tax before and hopefully that's something we I'll be working on to bring to your um attention in the in the near future so we can hopefully work toward that in uh for next year on the ballot. So, uh that's all for me. I'll be quick. Excuse me. I'll be quick. Um, I just want to say thanks for the conversation. It was really good to see us talk through the issue. I know it's hard to talk about. Um, it's not easy to talk about how we're going to spend money, where we're going to get it from and so much of it at once as well. So, thanks for doing that. Um, I want to say thanks, you know, especially for that and and just say that I agree with um the fact that Chief Cordova brought up um the department heads needing to be heard and being able to communicate with the budget especially and being a part of that. One thing that I've seen happen in other cities is around March time every year, the department heads would get together with their department, figure out what their needs are, and then by April, they would have that ready for department head meeting, present that to the city and to the city management, and then from April on to June, we have that time to work through the budget and be able to present that the way we just that might help if we were to figure out a schedule from here on out that we just use do that. One of the one other um suggestion I had is as department heads if we're able to speak at the beginning of the meeting. I know in the past we've done that, but we've done it at the end of the night. I think at that point you guys are fried. I'm fried. We all want to go home and it's like a lot of the stuff I think goes over our head at the end of the night.

Um I think being a department head, I think it'd be a good idea to have that come at the beginning of the council meeting. That way you're fresh. the city has an opportunity to hear that as members of the city and they get to kind of hear what we're saying because a lot of them are even gone by the end of the meeting and they they don't know what we're saying. So you can get home to your kiddos. What was that? And you can get home to your kiddos. This is true. This is very true. Yeah. No, we encourage with that in addition to please get hold of Cynthia and and if you and just let her know, hey, I'd like five minutes in the workshop.

Yes. and and get you don't even need to have a subject really, you know, just I want to talk about the fire department for five or 10 minutes. Get rid of and the time's yours. You know, and that's another way you could do it as well. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think you have it in your thing for our cancer reports. I mean, to me, if if I'm over just Jeff, that's all that I can say, well, he's here, so there you go. And the same with everybody else. if they're there. If they're not there, then you speak for them. But I got a a question and I don't know if you know, we got two ambulances that we ought to sell. Yes. I'm working on that.

And and I just think said it a million times, if they sit outside, they're going to be worth nothing. Yeah. But but just in fairness, he's got a Tahoe and a pickup. That's all that that's had it. So we could sell all them and use some of that money to get one other pickup. That was my plan because we're running out of we ran out of space. We have no more space. So we should be able to get 10 grand a piece out of them. I've had a few department interested in them, but they haven't said yay or whether they want.

I just didn't know if you had any info on like a a website that we put. I mean, we don't we haven't really, you know, sold them. websites, but they usually they want a piece of the pie. They when you sell them, they want money. And so, and I was going to call like John with Wheel Coach or somebody to see. I don't know. My nephew was looking for some in Callis. They bought they bought two. I called him last week. So, I I just think they sit there. I mean, we got quite a managerie of stuff, but they sit there. We had to sell them. But if we got rid of that pickup in that Tahoe and you took that money with whatever on some capital to buy one pickup for the pull the trailers and

and I just went to the chief's association meeting today and I mentioned that as well. So I mean I put the word out. I said I had a few chiefs get back to me and say yeah I'm interested but they haven't said whether they want to purchase it or not. I just I just wondered we ought to have an avenue citywide to get rid of vehicles we're done with all you know what I mean? I think it would be great if we have fleet manager personally for the city. I think that would would help. Fleet manager slash finance. Well, I'm just saying we might have to talk after this. I I agree with you.

I knew you knew that. I would just bring it up in in Thanks. So, since I'm the sole remaining part of person, um, great choices with Kirk, we got together with Lindsay this past week, organized the direction we're going with stuff. Christine's doing a remarkable job. So, is Jeremy got a piece of that tonight. Um, we've organized some different things with the attorney as far as letters and appropriations and procedural aspects on that. Also, on that note, when we're doing in the council meetings or in the work sessions, we're not going to go direct. If you have a specific address, property or something along those lines, it's been suggested by Dalton to we'll either get with that in an email with me, but we should really keep some of that information out public meeting for the addressment of what we're trying to do legally on that. So, he wanted me to remind you of that, but outside of that, we got a great group of people and we're very stoked to get things put together.

Thanks. Thank you. So, so what I was going to bring up is inappropriate like something about the Tyveck building possibly. Why? You know, my email, send me an email. We are to to actually address that. She wouldn't mind. We're in direct communication there and we're trying to to create a resolvement on that in all three parties. I mean there's you have a whole civil thing that has taken place on the other end of that and we're working diligently to get that put together with D and myself on this. In fact, I'm pretty hopeful we're going to be having an actual person in the building, you know, within this next

she wants to go home wrapping my head around everything. Okay. And then the only thing I want to say is I this next week I as an opportunity I get to go to Washington DC with the Chamber of Commerce and um it just happened to be when the officers are going to be there. So I'm stoked I get to go and and participate in the vigil and the memorial.

Um so that's going to be super exciting. I I want to get out in front of this so the public hears it. I remember another official was up and talking about a trip they took. I'm doing this on my own dime. Okay, that that's important that people know that that that this is all on on me. So anyway, I'm excited to go and and see our officers up there and spend some time with them. So mayor, just for a reminder, this Thursday they're putting Le Eric's name on the monument at the state capital. If you guys would like to go to that 7 p.m. Thursday, this Thursday at 7 p.m. in the state capital,

it was important to leave. May 21st is the tortum, a special Olympics tortum. So, anyone that would like to attend that starts at 10 in Garland and we'll finish here probably around 11 at at Midland Square. Uh right here, right on the grass. When do they start the torch from? Uh it's going to start about 10 o'clock at Garland Elementary. um building elementary is going to be before that I believe.

Thank you. Like to thank everyone for hanging out with us and um uh I would like if we could go into close session for just a few minutes and talk about some property do the calendar.

Oh, let's go ahead and do the calendar. Sorry. Spring cleanup. May 6th through the 8th. May 9th, the stamp out hunger food drive. May 21st is the torch run. The 23rd, USA Gold 250 Gold Star Memorial Walk. That's going to that's put on by the Legion. And then the 29th library summer reading kickoff party. They've asked the council to come and help serve hot dogs. That's that's fun to do. So, try to put that on your your calendar to go and help us cook hot dogs and serve them. And when is that? The May 29th, that memorial

that's Memorial weekend. Yeah. If you're here, great. If you're not, that's fine. You guys will you'll remind us a little bit. Um, Nick City Council, I'll have it on here again. You know how that goes. It's good. Okay. Huh? We need a motion to go into I do. Okay, I'll move it. I'll second. Okay, we have a motion by Brent Jackson and we have a second by Paul Lewis. All those in favor? Yes. Okay. Council member, yes. Lewis, yes. Yes. Ending bathroom. Well, sure.