Housing, Community Development & Public Health Committee - Regular Meeting

Just some housekeeping. There is going to be public comment at the end of the meeting. And so over by officer Bilow by the doors, there is a table. Thank you. With a sheet of paper. And if you'd like to sign in at the end, you can talk about Toledo the Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute or anything else that you have on your mind. So, and I'm going to

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Just one more time and I know I've said this, but there is a sign up sheet at the door if you'd like to talk about Toledo, the Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute or anything else on your mind at the end of the meeting, we will be doing public comment. So I look forward to anyone that signs their name up on that sheet. Okay. And with that, the Toledo City Council Housing and Community Development Committee Meeting of Thursday, April 24. Is it me?

Yep. For the purpose of the Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute, clerk, please call the roll. Gaddis? Here. Jones? Here. Driscoll? Hartman? Here. McPherson? Meldon? Williams? Three present? Also present, Councilman Sorrentu? Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the floor over to you guys. Thank you.

Council. My name is Roslyn Clemens and I am the Director of the Department of Housing and Community Development. I'm joined today by Ms. Lucinthia Jones who's our Neighborhood Navigator. And Ms. Amelia Gibbons, the Executive Director of Reinvest Toledo. We want to give a briefing today of the Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute. What that is and where it is and what we hope accomplish with this initiative. We started this about three years ago. We started the institute.

And the vision was that we would take grassroots neighborhood organizations and leaders and put them through training, if you will, on how they can organize better, how they can do strategic planning for their neighborhoods, how they can raise funds, and how they can be a better partner with us on the grounds to be a conduit for funding and a conduit for program implementation in their neighborhoods. What we find is that the when you look at the grant sources that we have and the nonprofit organizations that apply for those fundings. It's the same old groups that apply year after year after year. So what we want to do is to change that. We and we know there's a skill to doing it and essentially we want to build up that skill in our neighborhoods.

We are now on our second cohort. This initiative is funded by your CDBG dollars. Some of our planning and administrative dollars we put into this institute for this training of consultants and workshop. We've partnered with Reinvest Toledo and they're going to talk about this partnership. So it's important work that we do.

It's not easy work. It's tough work to take an organization from a point where they have a great idea. They know the problems of their neighborhood. But to take them to the point where they can actually do something about that problem and partner with us. So I want to Ms. Jones and Ms. Givens have spent a lot of work and a lot of time working with us to develop the institute to enhance it. So today what we're going to do as I said is give you a nice briefing of where we are and what our needs are with it.

Thank you. Thank you council members for allowing me to present today on Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute. Thank you Director Clemens for the introduction. And thank you to our partner, Amelia Gibbon, for the work and what we do. Also in our audience, just to mention, we have a few of our cohort members in our audience today.

And towards the end of the presentation, I'm going to ask them to speak briefly about how this program has helped them for their organization. By investing in capacity of our residents and small nonprofits, the true heart of our disinvested communities, we unlock their potential to revitalize homes, heal our streets, and offer safe havens for our youth. Capacity building championed by the Department of Housing and Community Development will strategically equip the next cohort and amplify the vital work of current organizations paving their way to sustainable funding. Director Clemens gave you a brief history already on the cohort number one that was in twenty twenty one-twenty two. So we're going to fast forward to 2024.

After choosing Reinvest Toledo through another competitive RFP process, we decided to streamline the modules by focusing on areas most important to develop and sustain nonprofits. So 21 modules, they were reduced to 12. And we also included a capstone project to demonstrate the knowledge learned through the program. In addition, we added after graduation program incentives that will allow continued growth for positioning them to access future funding. Nine of the modules were held in person, three were virtual, and the in person modules were held at the Sofia Quintero Arts and Cultural Center where the executive director was first pilot program.

So just a general overview of the program structure. Semester one was offered from 10/07/2024 through December 18. Modules were held Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday from 05:30 to 07:30, again, at Squawk during the first, second, and third week of the month. This allowed six hours of instruction per semester. In January, we offered three virtual modules and participants were allowed the opportunity to complete those modules at their own pace through 03/31/2025.

Semester two began in February, on February 3 through yesterday actually, allowing an additional six hours of instruction. Participants are required to complete six full hours of each module, and throughout program, they've received mentoring, often reaching out to instructors for additional guidance on current issues and assistance with grant writing. So this is just a list of the 13 organizations that are currently in the program. The way we selected them was from April 29 through June 8. We had our emissions form on the city of Toledo's TN CBI website.

We got a list of a lot of organizations from talking to various community members and leaders that thought that these organizations may benefit from the program. The the program was also mentioned in the May 2024 safe and livable neighborhoods newsletter, media releases, and also the mayor's podcast. We, meaning miss Given and myself, reviewed and interview each organization, being sure to make sure they knew of their time commitment, modules, and other program requirements. We had our kickoff event on September 26 here in City City Council Chambers. The mayor came and he importance of capacity building and revitalizing our neighborhoods.

Our participants had the opportunity to meet the mayor, discuss their organization's mission, and community goals. We have eight well qualified instructors to facilitate these 12 modules in our program. We have Michelle Klinger, who facilitated our grant writing and program modules. She was the former executive director of Partners in Education, also previously worked at Greater Toledo Community Foundation. She currently does grant writing consultation for dozens of nonprofits.

We also have Evelyn McKinney, who is a program officer with Lisk and the United Way Toledo. She has her lane six sigma green belt and she is a professional certified coach through the World Coach Institute. Miss McKinney facilitated two modules, building collaborative partnerships and fund development versus fundraising, and she also co facilitated social media marketing strategies, which is a virtual module. Crystal Taylor has twenty years of management and marketing experience in higher education in the public sector. She left the public sector in 2016 to launch Crystal Clear Communications where she focuses on helping entrepreneurs and nonprofits scale up.

She facilitated two modules, board development and succession planning, and she also co facilitated a virtual module. Landon Jordan has expertise in managing global health teams and supporting executives operational efficiency. He facilitated the social media marketing strategies module with Ms. Taylor and Ms. McKinney.

Doctor. Jennifer Sader is a former adjunct professor at Lohr's University. She's also the founding partner of Joyson Group, which focuses on higher education and nonprofit consulting. Doctor Sader facilitated strategic planning. Then we also Artisha Lawson who's a former program officer at the Greater Toledo Community Foundation.

Currently, she's director of member engagement at the Council of Michigan Foundations and a freelance reporter. Miss Lawson created and facilitated two virtual modules, communication strategies and conducting effective staff and board meetings. And then to round it off, we have Doctor. Ball, who is also a founding partner of Joyston Group. In addition, he's a retired professor at Lors University with a deep background in financial management.

And finally, director Thomas Gibbons, who's the City of Toledo Plan Commission Director. He facilitated planning and zoning. The next few slides will cover the 12 modules offered during the program. I'm not going to discuss each one in detail. However, I will touch on a few activities completed that resonated the best with our cohort participants.

One of our cohort participants recently created a board recruitment and onboarding guide as a result of what she learned in board development. And this is just some of the topics that were covered in our module one for development. In strategic planning, Doctor. Sader had an activity called potential partnership speed dating where participants had three minutes to pitch their organization to each cohort member to see if they were there was potential for partnership. Also during the second semester, she allowed everyone to have a one on one session with her to help them develop a strategic plan for a program in their organization.

There were quite a few people that took advantage of that. And then again, Doctor. Ball, he was the facilitator for finances and budgeting. And these are just some of the few topics that he covered covered in that module. In module four, solutions based programming, Michelle Klinger had a great activity called the gallery walk where she allowed participants to engage and discuss their results of their program logic model that they needed in order to develop programs that would get sustainable funding.

Those are just some of the topics in that module. Module five was building collaborative partnerships. Module six, succession planning. Again, some high level topics covered in those modules. In module seven, grant writing, which was one of our more popular modules, Michelle Klinger assisted several organizations with accessing grants at the national and local levels.

And these were just some of the topics covered in that module. In module eight, fund development versus fundraising. They learned the difference between the two, which is very important because they are distinctively different. During module nine, director Gibbons set up a mock planning and zoning hearing session, bringing awareness to the process for the participants. He also went over the Fort Toledo plan and the process leading up to its development.

Everyone received a copy of a plan and a few organizations mentioned that they will reference the plan when organizing revitalization efforts in their specific neighborhoods. And then these were our three virtual modules and the topics covered in each module. Participants were given from January 2025, again through the March, to complete those modules at their own pace. Participation was tracked through small quizzes and surveys. And these are just some of the topics covered in those three modules.

Throughout semester one of the program, honest and anonymous feedback was encouraged after each class. When after it was received, facilitators also got that feedback and suggestions from the coordinators, myself and Ms. Gibbon, about ways they can enhance their curriculum delivery and improve relevancy for the second semester and sometimes immediately for the next class. So these are just some of the feedback that was received after some of the classes. Like for instance, I learned how the city operates and develop in our neighborhoods.

We will use this info for vacant houses and land development. And also it's important to access each board member and committee chair to make sure they're in the right roles for my organization. So, a few of the feedback that we did receive. The purpose of the capstone project is to foster collaboration and partnerships, demonstrate knowledge learned, and enhance future funding opportunities. Some organizations formed groups, while a couple of organizations decided to work on the project alone.

Each group was assigned a capstone coordinator. Those coordinators are Michelle Klinger and Crystal Taylor to assist them with developing the project, ensuring that it falls under the CDBG guidelines. The stone projects will either be a proposal for a future program or a program that they will implement before graduation. We will highlight the top two capstone projects at graduation on June 5 here we're We're proud leadership team. Our We're first is BESNX Community, where Tim Fields is the president.

BESNX Community empowers youth and underserved communities by bridging equity in STEM, e sports, game development, AI, green technologies, and visual arts. They recently received the white box grant for $24,680. The new brick and location will be in the Old South End on 1256 Broadway in the Heritage Plaza. Our TNC TNCBI instructors assisted BESNX community with accessing over $16.00 in grant funding this year. Mister Fields, will you come to the podium and share with the council the following?

What are your highlights that you've learned in the program? How are you going to apply that to your organization, and what does the future hold for your organization since being in the program?

Testing. Testing. Good afternoon, council people. I'm Timothy Fields, the executive director of BSN Community and this program has been fascinating. We started organization back in 2021 in Atlanta, Georgia, and we came up here in 2023 to start helping the community up here in Toledo because I'm originally from Toledo.

And being in this program has definitely opened doors to what we're doing up here through gaming by helping kids learn game development, esports, streaming, especially in the underserved communities, and this program has helped that. And then also, we've been getting rid of open of our STEM center, hopefully, summer twenty twenty five. And luckily, thanks to meeting all these ladies up here has helped that happen. So and, also, we invite you to come out to our summer break event that we're doing for our Capstone Project on May 29 at the Believe Center. So, free to come out, have a good time, and enjoy some STEM kids with the kids. So, thank you.

Thank you, mister Fields, for the insight and dedication to the community. Our next organization and leaders we would like to highlight are the Old West End Association, where Lori Hammond is the new board president and Justin Bays is the volunteer committee chair. Guided by the belief in fostering community, one brick, one family, one gathering at a time. The OWEA works to strengthen connections and build a welcoming, inclusive environment. They recently sought an Anderson Foundation grant with the assistance of Michelle Klinger.

They plan to use the funding to complete renovation of a home in the neighborhood that was acquired through the Lucas County Land Bank. Missus Hammond and mister Bays, will you please come to the podium and discuss your highlights on what you've learned? How you've applied that to your organization today and what the future holds for your organization.

Thank you very much for this opportunity. Welcome. Thank you council members for having us in your space today. Going through Toledo Neighborhood Capacity Building Institute, I must admit I was very intimidated walking in that door. Being at the time just a board member of the Old Weston Association, I had not yet acquired my position as president.

But once that position became available and learning what I did learn about succession planning, board development, how to run an effective meeting, getting into that place to have my first meeting, it just it was so fluid and I am so grateful of the experiences that I've gained during capacity building. I do have to put in this plug. We do have another grant for our neighborhood. Old Westin Cushing Utopia. Thank you, director Clemens for Romanoff Park, a $250,000 grant which was awarded and they break ground tomorrow.

So I'm so excited about that. And I I I I pray that this program continues on because it was very beneficial for grassroots organizations such as ambassadors in action and then for a very seasoned organization for someone to come in and take those treasures and take them back to that boardroom and and actually have the confidence on what you're speaking about and the programs that we are implementing such as six two four Delaware. And Justin Bays is our volunteer coordinator and I'm going to let him speak more about what he's learned through the program especially as it refers to six twenty four.

So, before coming to this program, I had a huge passion in nonprofit organizations. To be honest, I'm a performer at heart. I'm a musical theater and opera singer. So that has little to do with nonprofit other than I need money. Please help me.

But this organization has provided me with confidence and knowledge that I would not have had otherwise. I would have to pay thousands of dollars to receive this education. So I'm eternally grateful for what TNCBI has done for me personally as well as what I've seen it do for the others that are in this program. I've seen their confidence develop leaps and bounds. They've been able to create their own boards and for me personally, I've felt like I have a clear vision on how I need to tackle getting the community involved with a clear message and how we can participate together to fight blight and reduce crime in our own neighborhood. Thank you.

Thank you, missus Hammond and mister Bays, for your insight and dedication to your community and neighborhood. I'd to also acknowledge Danny Hughes, founder of Elevated Hearts, who is also here today. I don't know if he wants to speak at all.

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you, Danny. So, we would like to invite the entire city council to for cohort two of TNCBI on June 5 at 05:30PM in City Council Chambers. Again, we will highlight two capstone projects during the ceremony. And you will also get a chance to know a few of the organizations and instructors by viewing a short video presentation. Now I'll hand the microphone over to miss Emilio Gibbon for final words. Thank you.

Members of council, director Clemens, thank you so much for allowing reinvested to be a part of this awesome work. You want me to get closer? Okay. Better? Alright. Okay. Final remarks. They will be brief, I promise you. What I wanted to do was to share with you how this work has elevated reinvest Toledo. Being able to go to tables with my peers and have conversations and indicate that we are a third party provider for the city, for the department of housing community and development has certainly allowed us to have a bigger influence if you will because that's indicative of trust.

And that is what capacity building is all about. Right? The ability to trust organizations to do what they need to do in an effective manner. But I really want to share with you a success story that just occurred last night that I thought was absolutely wonderful. Director Gibbons from the Planning Commission did his final presentation and he did the mock mock what do we call it? The planning session. The Thank you. And it was really interesting hearing the participants because we were talking about the dollar store. You know how we feel about the dollar stores. And listening to the participants begin to understand the work of the planning commission and why it's important and all the moments.

We didn't know you had to do all that. We didn't know it required this. How do we get more engaged? Energy. So as a result, I asked those participants in the audience what they like to become a part of a standing committee of reinvest to do for planning purposes. Right? So we established a relationship with Director Gibbons. We're going to be meeting with his team monthly to be briefed and to be educated about the process. And these individuals will be committed to attending both planning sessions on a monthly basis. We're going to start this in June, no later than July.

And these individuals who will be on our planning committee will represent the eight I think we have eight low to moderate income communities under our umbrella. So just the idea of being able to participate, to see it and then to come away with that type of outcome is going to impact in a huge way what happens in community and is going to leverage our neighbors to come out and support and to lend their voice when we're trying to do work that's impactful. But they won't come out angry. They'll come out informed. They'll come out understanding the how, the why, and what we can do and what is our value in this process.

That is one of the intangibles that happened as a result of the Toledo capacity building institute being implemented this year. And so for that, I say thank you. It was very much appreciated this opportunity.

Thank you. If you have any questions, we'll be happy to answer them.

Well, thank you for the presentation. And I this is how we build from the bottom up, right? So much of my interactions with the people in my district is they do they they have the drive. They they don't know how to empower themselves. And this really focuses like I see Lori out there. And when she went through the ambassador program, you could tell she was a like a born leader. She just needed the tools. So, being able to give these tools to people and just let them grow. This is wonderful. I did have question on how do we support them after this? Is there a thought process on how we support them after they graduate from their capstone?

Well, thought process is that they will be successes in terms of being able to get more grants. Being able to get more philanthropic support for their organization, being able to raise private sector dollars to do to help us to do this work. Because we can't do and we can't can't fund everything with the funding that we have. So the goal is to as I said earlier, to have very strong grassroots partners on the ground that know their community, know what the community needs. But going beyond just griping at a hearing or complaining that they've got five lighted houses on their block.

We will now have organizations that oh yeah you have five blighted houses. But as an organization, maybe we can do something ourselves about those five blighted houses. So that's the goal. How do we empower these organizations and build their capacity to help us with this tremendous tremendous work that we have to do here in the city of Toledo. I mentioned that we are supporting this work with some of our CDBG planning and admin money.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's been $150,000 each year to pay for the consultants and the facilitators to seed money to some of the capstone's project. We hope to continue this. We hope that we will get level funding of CDBG and we hope to continue this. For some reason if we don't we will be coming to counsel for some support for this. Because I think this is non sexy work but it's critical work to build these organizations.

And we want this to like the ambassador program, we want this to continue to be part of the city's toolbox to help to grow organizations in our neighborhoods. So how do we continue this? We will continue this in our department as funded by CDBG as long as possible. And we hope to get your support if that funding does not come through. I've also have been engaged and reached out to by some national organizations that just love this model.

And our hope would be to scale this. I know the NCRC is very interested in this model and what we're doing here in the city of Toledo. So the hope is that we can maybe take this nationally and maybe get some national support for this program because I think it's important. We don't want to go back to the days where we had 15 CDCs operating in the city. That's not what this program is about.

What this program seeks to do again is those organizations that are in touch with their neighborhoods that know what their neighborhood needs. But they just need the tools to get them to the point where they can do something about it. You know I always say this revitalization it's all about investing. It's not just planning and talking about what you want for your neighborhood. It's how do you actually do conduits to go into neighborhood that has been underserved for so long.

How do you actually create a conduit so that neighborhood can grow? And it's not just building a new housing project or revitalizing a shopping center. It's investing in the people of that neighborhood. In the people of that neighborhood so that they can help themselves. It's a time honored strategy and we're just trying to do that here in the city. I was having conversation with Ms. Jones. I said well how many members of your cohort actually applied for CDBG this year? She said I think only one. I said you know we hope that after a year in a cohort they can apply.

But it may not be after a year. It may be longer. But the point is we have them now on that track where they are looking at board development, where they're looking at how do you write a ground there. They're looking at basic things like how do you conduct a meeting. And the vision is then that for as long as we can we will continue this work to build strong partners on the ground.

Well, thank you. And with that we have President Hartman. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for this presentation. I really love this, I think. You already answered my two questions, which were how much funding does this take? And then how do we scale up? So thank you for that. I know that I am not going speak for all of council, but I'm committed to making sure that if for some reason our CDBG dollars goes away, should still keep funding this. Because I think this is really important work.

So, thank you for doing this. Thank you Ms. Gibbon for helping. This is with all of the chaos that's happening in government right now, I really needed some good news today honestly. So, this is really this is good stuff.

My final question though is in the past council members have participated in the ambassador program and have even participated in the civilian police academy. Would there be any room for council participation in this? Because I can tell you we could use some of these lessons as well perhaps module 11 and others. So if there's other if there's opportunity for us to help too, I know that for me my neighborhood organization looks like it was represented by Deborah Sue and the Vistula Foundation, which is amazing. But know I that we each have you know our own neighborhood groups that we care very much about.

And we care very much about the neighborhoods we live in and many more. And so if there's any counts of participation beyond the graduation which I'm going to go to. I hope you all of you do as well and I'll encourage everybody else. But if there are ways for district members or other council members to get involved, I think I know I would love to. So good work And let me know how you we can scale up and how we can help.

I just want to and we're constantly looking and tweaking and thinking about new ideas. Ms. Jones mentioned Tom Gibbons' participation and how that is now fostering more understanding of planning and land use process. Another thing we want to do and is I would love for council to participate in this is how does an affordable housing project get developed and funded? What are the steps?

What are the challenges? How long does it take? We want to include that in one of our modules. Because this is to the extent that our council knows and our citizens know and understand the complexities in that. When I come in front of you and ask you for a million dollars, you can better analyze that request if you understand the process.

The other thing that I think we're going to include in these modules is this whole issue of food desert and food policy. Why don't I have a supermarket in my neighborhood? Why is it a challenge? Well there are reasonings for that. And having a module that explains this and explains the complexities and the challenges of this is something that also we want to include in this. So, even if you have some ideas of what you think we need to include in this, we would welcome this. But we I think having counsel participate in this is really going to be important.

If I may chair. As you were speaking, it just occurred to me also that there have been times in the past where local organizations will have an idea about a change in our Toledo municipal code. Or like very recently it was a women's organization who came to us about period poverty and menstruation poverty. And what that means for our city. And can we put menstrual products in our public bathrooms.

And so maybe there's a future module where we can help organizations that have ideas that want to come to council present legislation. We can work with them because sometimes I get my best ideas legislation from community members, right? And so that is how I hope democracy works, right? And so that would be another cool module too. And I think we get

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of good ideas from the community. Thank you. Thank you, chair. Thank you. I'm going to send a referral question. If we could get the participating people from the last three years. Because I'd love to know who they are in my district and from a district standpoint, check-in on them and make those connections and see if they're you know meeting the other people in the organization. I just would really like that. So, I'm going to send a referral. But Doctor. Jones?

Thank you, chair. Well, first of all, this program is definitely needed. Especially considering our city and just our area. I think being the largest as far as per capita with nonprofits. I think this is essential as far as thinking how to sustain not only just forming a nonprofit but how to operate it and sustain it.

And what came to mind was actually probably an idea for one of the modules maybe in the very beginning is just talking about the nonprofit landscape within this city. And that brings up what United Way has done. Actually, they well, they had a report talking about the landscape here and breaking down just how much money most of these organizations make. Some of them barely reach 50,000 so they don't have to report. And so what does that look like?

What kind of services are they offering? Just to give them an idea of where they may fall on that spectrum and what gaps are needed within this community. And I think that will have that framework of just how they could operate. Also looking at how with the sustainability piece especially with a lot of the grants being slashed and how they may maintain or even come up with different funding opportunities and modules like you had mentioned just more private sector. What does that look like?

How do you go for those dollars besides just grants? Because some of the foundations are drying up at this point too and having to basically restructure as well. So that would definitely help out because a lot of the nonprofits they start from passion but the business savvy behind it is not as strong. And so with this program, I believe that it can really bring about a lot of very impactful. Not saying that they're not impactful now but even more impactful for years to come because it is a need.

We need these programs. And just having the having these organizations in existence is something that's very essential. A lot of what my colleagues have already said, that was some of my questions. What have you said have already answered my questions. So with that is especially the civic engagement piece. How to write legislation? How do how does zoning and planning work? How can you, you know, just get in contact with us and things of that nature? I will also invite them to a zoning and planning committee meeting that can be part of their visitation as well just to learn what is that in process when it goes through council as well. So really at this point, it's like seems like you got all the bases covered and really just continue the good work.

And like president Harbin said, whatever we can do to help with that, especially when it comes to funding, just literally just let us know because this is something that is very essential because Toledo is full of passion and nonprofit seems to be a very good outlet for a lot of this work. We need to keep that going as well.

You know, Ms. Gibbons mentioned partnership and trust. Reinvest Toledo is now a stronger organization. Because we the first facilitator of the institute was an out of town consultant. We pivoted from that and we did a competitive RFP and we picked reinvest Toledo.

We invested the money reinvest Toledo. Now reinvest Toledo has capacity. They can now go to another organization or outside of the city and say look, we have this $150,000 initiative. We're facilitating this for the city of Toledo. And they can now double that and leverage that.

So this is the when you talk about investing in local capacity, this this is the kind of leverage. If you support us with this grant for another year or so, but if we invest Toledo can now go out and leverage another $450,000 because of this investment, that's what we're talking about. How do you multiply the resources that you have by investing and building the capacity of your organization? So in practice that's how this works. So we're not saying that it doesn't have its challenges as what I tell the staff all the time.

Our goal is not we're not wedded to a structure. We're wedded to a vision and we will continue to tweak that process so that we improve our ability to get to the vision and get to that north star that we want to get to with this program. And I want to thank Lucinthia Jones and Amelia. They've just done considerable work on this and I'm really proud of them. I really, really am. Thank you. Thank you.

As am I. And now we're going to go to the public comments. We have Lori Hammond. Did you want to speak again? Okay. And then, Justin Page.

Okay, gotcha. I like that you guys signed it. Is it

Tim? Tim Fieldfield? Did you want to speak?

No, we're good.

Okay. And then Dan Hughes. Okay. Is there anyone else before us that would like to speak? Okay. With that, thank you for taking the time out today. And thank you for sharing your success stories. And I look forward to hearing more success in this. And with that, this meeting is adjourned.