Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, August 19, 2026

The Planning Commission approved the Baldwin Open Space Tax Program application for 159.66 acres and held a public hearing on the matter. They also conducted a work session on Critical Areas Ordinance updates, discussing Fish and Wildlife Habitat Conservation Areas, wetlands, and enforcement challenges.

About this meeting

Government Body
Planning Commission
Meeting Type
Planning Commission
Location
Thurston County, WA
Meeting Date
August 19, 2026

Transcript

55 sections

0:06 – 0:54Speaker 2

Welcome to the Thurston County Planning Commission on August 19th. The Thurston County Planning Commission is an advisory committee of residents with county commissioners who have started a comprehensive plan, zoning ordinance, and different things. The planning commission is dedicated to the last decision-makers of the county commissioners. All planning commission organizations have been opened to the public. Welcome to the community to check all the briefings and work sessions of the Planning Commission. My name is Eric Sino. I represent District 2. Let's start the introductions from the boardroom itself. Commissioner Daniel Bumberger. I live and serve in District 1. However, I am officially at-large. Scott Nelson, District 4. Aha! Bari Halverson, District 2.

0:54Speaker 4

Sandy Kaiser, District 3.

0:56 – 1:23Speaker 2

Commissioner Pinker, are you online? Ivan Pinker, District 5. Commissioner Flores. Here they come. They have arrived. Commissioner Flores, can you hear us? Oh, they have arrived. They are still there.

1:24Speaker 4

Okay, can you all hear me?

1:26Speaker 2

Yes, yes, yes.

1:27Speaker 4

Okay, good. Commissioner Flores, District 3.

1:31 – 2:55Speaker 2

Commissioner Fishbane. Hi, Bill Fishbane. I live in District 4 and serve. And Commissioner Bartlett. Hello, I'm Commissioner Bartlett. I live in Tumwater. I serve in District 5. Good, good. Commissioner Peer, did you have anything to say? Oh, no, I can put my hand down. But I'm sure Commissioner Miller is outside the state. Okay, they're in California right now. Thank you very much. Okay, so did you all review our meeting agenda today? If so, I need to make a suggestion. Should we change it to just approval of the requirements? Yes. Okay. Let's rewrite it a little bit. This is not a recognition of meeting minutes. This is just a reflection of meeting details. Okay. That's enough. Then another thing. Yes. Didn't we have to recognize the minutes of the meeting before July? July 15th, right? Because there was no quorum that day. Yes. July 15th, the meeting minutes. Yes. Okay. So, I intend to approve the meeting minutes by implementing those changes. Approve. Yes. Second person agrees.

2:55Speaker 4

The suggestion was approved and agreed.

2:57 – 5:49Speaker 2

She approves. There is another opinion about the agenda. Yes. It is not a big deal, but it is to be seen in our next meeting schedule. It says it is on September 5th, but they think it is on September 2nd. Is that correct? I don't have a calendar right now. Oh, yes, it will be on the 2nd and 16th. Okay, it's done. Thank you. Is there anything else? Again. Then, those who agree to our agenda will say yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Is there any objection? Okay, we have a meeting agenda. We can move on to the meeting minutes. The first meeting minutes we are going to review are on July 15th. If everyone has reviewed it, I need to make a suggestion. I suggest that the meeting minutes should be accepted on July 15th, 2026, as an audio-audio reggae. I agree July 15th is the meeting minutes, and the audio audio meeting is accepted as a regular meeting, and I agree. Those who agree, say yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Is there any objection? Okay, our July 15th is the meeting minutes. Now, let's move on to our August 5th meeting details. We heard that everyone had the opportunity to review those meeting details. This is not an official meeting, so we do not accept it as an official meeting. But if anyone has anything to add or avoid in the meeting details, we can listen. Do you have anything to say about that? Okay. Okay, let's stop with the details only. Now let's move on to the general instructions section of our meeting. Um. and welcome the comments from the public in all the meetings of the Test County Planning Commission. We have some general directions for speaking. First, please introduce yourself. Tell us the location where you live in the county. Please speak to the Planning Commission, not to the members or staff. The Planning Commission should not respond to the comments of the public. Please allow the speaker to speak for only 3 minutes. The timer is shown on the video screens to help you pay attention to the time. Those who participate in the meeting will not be able to hand over their time to anyone else. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a suspect, a felon, a criminal or a suspect. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should be made on whether the person is a criminal, a felon, or a felon. No comments should Ms. White, do you want to start? Do you have anything to say?

5:49Speaker 4

Are you talking about our public hearing?

5:51Speaker 2

No, just general opinions.

5:54 – 7:38Speaker 4

Yes, I said it. Commissioner Mark Suprabhadam. Although there were details about the previous session, one of the things we talked about was that we would thoroughly investigate the statements and public opinion about the individual issues in this session. Therefore, I would like to remind you of the continuous studies on water resources. Among the important things we talked about, one of them is the rapid development of single-family facilities. We are also investigating the personal instructions and development of the water resource code. I would like to talk about the Fish and Wildlife Code today. One of the things that we pay attention to when we make it happen is how to test it when we instruct it in a way that makes the fish-eating animal feel comfortable. Where do we have a supernatural process? What happens if that lagoon stays for many years? How do we know that it is continuing? How do we know that it is continuing? How do we know that it is continuing? How do we know that it is continuing? How do we know that it is continuing? How do we know that it is continuing? One of the important things I wanted to emphasize is that I also want to remind you about the waterfalls. That's all for today. Thank you.

7:39Speaker 2

Thank you very much. Next, Vanesa Laval will speak.

7:48 – 13:18Speaker 4

Good evening everyone. I am Vanesa Laval. I live in District 4, Alpine Drive, South West. When it comes to fish and wildlife codes, I was thinking that some of the codes are juvenile coho, oddibon spotted frog, olympic mud minnow, etc. These are all DFW-renewed prehistoric codes. This is a complicated matter, because the Ecology Department and the DFW have a different opinion on wastewater. Therefore, in the opinion of the DFW, the orders are not recommendations, but they can be recommendations to the Ecology Department. I would like to know how we can control the way the Department of Ecology and the DFW manage wastewater. Orders are often handled by independent districts, which makes things more complicated. Therefore, if he is taking care of the facilities for a good air condition, he may not have to handle a particular district. And I am worried about the loss of water resources. I have a lot of friends in Spokane. Their situation is very bad. One of the things that reduce the severity of forest fires is the water resources. And they have more important air conditions. In my opinion, the process of stopping the floods is once in five years. So I am very disappointed in the state of a county. Because we are going through a flood season, right? So what will we do if the floods continue for any number of years and the floods subside? And instead of trying to bring water back to it, will it no longer be a flood? And when I hear that there are some thoughts going on about the speed of action, I am certainly disappointed. On the one hand, if they choose a more powerful option, it can make sense. But building a single-family home will create a lot of obstacles for the future generations. Thank you. I thank you for your time. Thank you for coming. Next, we have Rhonda Larson-Cramer. Hello, I'm Rhonda Larson-Cramer. Olympia's 1814 East Side Street Southeast. Before reading my opinion, what I have to say is that I am trying to survive on my own land. We are not working there, we are not intending to work, but the rules say that I have to pretend that I am building something to get the compensation. That's not good for our land, is it? The whole purpose of my effort is to hide it in the land, but only if you lie that you are building something, will it be possible. Therefore, it would be good to change the code. In September last year, you may remember that you had rejected the three votes to move the quarry property from the rural megalaya to the residential megalaya. However, the board of the county commissioners approved the change in December. However, let me say that Emily Close voted against the change. It was a 4 out of 1 decision. South Sound Alliance appealed to the Growth Management Hearings Board against that decision. As you know, the Monday Hearings Board rejected its decision. The board declared that it was impossible for the county's permission to approve the Growth Management Act for quarry rezoning to block. The staff report submitted to you was also appreciated by the hearings board county residents. The hearings board wrote on 66 and 67 pages as follows. The staff report on the current importance of this area is very comprehensive. Unfortunately, the lines in front of the BOCC do not represent these values, the answer ends. Therefore, congratulations to the staff. There is a plan in place to turn rural land into a rural agricultural land. Are these places suitable for rural landowners who are involved in county planning, municipal authorities, urban development, historical conditions, highways, and agricultural development? The hearings board found that those benefits have not been allocated to the county commissioners. It specifically pointed out that it is a problem to establish an agricultural park with a national forestry organization. It also pointed out the importance of this property and the various aquifer recharge areas in it. It also pointed out the major features of the agricultural development in this rural park from the interstate or state highways. These are not small problems. The decision of the county is not in line with their own plan, and the reason for allowing this rezoning to continue is against the goal of the growth management act. Therefore, the board declared that this rezoning is impossible. Thank you for making the right decision last December. I say that the county has the opportunity to appeal to this. It would not be good to use the money of the taxpayers in the budget. Thank you. Thank you very much.

13:19Speaker 2

Is there anyone else in the boardroom to speak to the Planning Commission? Okay, let's go online. Mrs. Stephan.

13:32 – 16:34Speaker 3

Good evening, Planning Commissioners. First, I would like to talk about the Fish and Wildlife Environment Protection Regulations. A link created by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife has been sent by email. It is a way to understand the riparian zones. This is one of the key factors in the conservation of fish and wildlife. This is a checklist to ensure that the counties are using the most scientific methods. I think that checklist will be used by the staff. This is very important. Also, it should be presented as part of the regulations. Before deciding what to change in this article, it would be very expensive to get that checklist. It is advisable to go ahead with the details of what is not and what is not in it. Another thing is that when the staff checked, they did not mention widows in the case of Otigon White Oak Woodlands. Its code number is 24-2565. In fact, it is mixed with many other things. Therefore, I think it is necessary to include clear things about the need to stop trees and other dead trees. These are all part of the environment, because animals and other animals live in it. It is also necessary for birds to stand in line in order to fly from one tree to another. That's all I have to say about what needs to be added to this study. Finally, I have to talk about the other part of the hearings board decision. I am happy to have completed one part of the round related to the Quarry's decision on Block E. The other part of the decision of the Growth Management Hearings Board is that the County did not pay much attention to the constitutional law in the current circumstances. I know that you have different opinions on what to do. I need you to make an announcement about what the staff and you can do to prevent these hearings from reaching the board's decision. To see if anyone is appealing against this, you do not have to make a decision until 30 days later. Still, I think it would be good for the society if you get that announcement. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much.

16:46 – 27:09Speaker 2

Is there anyone else online? There's no one else in the panelists, right? Okay. Okay, let's move on to the agenda. We'll need the staff to comment on some of the general opinions received. I'll tell you about some of them. I think that we can discuss about the current developments in the presentation and give feedback to the people. I think that we can change the presentation into a discussion on the Linguistic Research Question Planning Commission. Okay, just like that. Let's see what's going on here. One thing I would like to say very quickly is about the fact that there are no water sources for a long time. That is, there are more than one way to measure water sources, and those soils will last for a long time. Those hydroponic soils. Therefore, the way we measure water sources, and in fact, the way we measure where they are, is very challenging. Therefore, I would like to say that it is a small effort. Then there is one thing we need to remember, that is, if we want to bring water back to the well, we cannot force the restoration of the industrial areas. Through the industrial areas, we can only prevent people from doing new things. Therefore, it is not something that we can really do. We can create small things that we can return. That is, if you want to reduce it to a minimum for someone else, you may have something like that. But that is not something you can do. This is just a regulatory takings, because if it is not directly related to the growth that is happening, it is not directly related to the growth. I think I took something else from that general opinion. On the one hand, I see it as wrong, but on the other hand, it was said that a part of the protest was happening at the same time, and they said that it was happening once every five years. My perception is that when any kind of development is going on, we are all protesting against each other. That is, we don't do it every five years, and we don't do it the same way for those five years. It is done when there is self-development every time. That is when we conduct the decision-making. One site stops decision-making. That's right. Right. The screening tools we use come from different sources of information. Sometimes they are updated temporarily. I think we are talking about a special water tank. It would be a screening tool, not a specific plan for a project. Right. Yes. So, yes. Yes. I want to clarify one thing about the decision of the Quarry Hearing Board for Block E. I would like to point out a small difference that helps everyone think about the way we act. The reason why the board said that it was included in the Growth Management Act is that it violates the COMP plan rules in the correct substantive part. That was an important thing. It is one of the things we all do. So those laws are making a difference. They have a specific responsibility. This is a small difference from what we have heard. But I think it is important to understand the relationship between the activities of the Asutrana Commission and the Hearing Board of the Growth Management. That is why we are actively using the Repair and Management Zone guidelines in Fish and Wildlife in this process. I think we can talk about checklists as staff. I don't know if it makes sense to put a checklist in a monthly code. I think it is more convenient to include this in a new code. As Ms. Seppan said, we should be able to understand all this as a staff, because if we do not understand what we are doing correctly, it will be the reason for many appeals. Appeals that are easier than appeals about things we love in our lives can come. But we need to be able to prove that we are following the most scientific methods or that there are other legitimate reasons. Such a checklist is very good to get protection from such responsibilities. So, can you tell us anything about the human-made structures in the presentation, i.e., the wells or other reservoirs, turning into reservoirs? Will it be included in today's presentation or how will it be interpreted? I am trying my best. The difference between fish and wildlife in Tamil is the climate of fish and wildlife in one place and the other in another. So they are both different. For example, if one place can be a reservoir, it should not be a fish and animal habitat. So, do we include human-made buildings like ordinance parks or reservoirs in our residential areas? I don't remember whether there is a right for that. This is one thing we can discuss. Okay. By the way, I have a question. According to the public opinion, there was a gap between Thurston County and Spokane County. I would like to assure the public that our chances of a gap are very different. In terms of chances of a gap, Thurston County is 28% lower than all counties in the US. The main reason for this is the high level of resistance carried out by our prosperous water and natural resources, counties and TRPCs. Spokane County is in the first five percent. Therefore, both of them have very different risk factors. There is definitely a share in the water. But we don't have to worry about whether the same threat of forest fire is seen or heard online. We don't have such a threat. Yes. Finally, I think there was a discussion about the termination of the Growth Management Hearings Board. However, I don't want to talk too much about this, because the county has not fully closed its appeal opportunities, and it is not right to comment on the current legislation. However, when I read that decision, I think there are some things that have happened. Recently, in the case of the Haridagriha Vataka Udhomanam, the Vanija Vagupu was issued a guidance manual. Although such guidance manuals have been provided in the past, it has not been seen as a regulation issued by the Vanija Vagupu. Due to some violations in the law, the Board has designated this guidance as a regulation. This means that, if we want to do anything else than distribute the instructions of the Vanija section in the same way, we need to conduct a procession of a Haridagriha Vataka member. I am not sure if this is the real intention of the Vanija section, because they are now making a procession of a Haridagriha Vataka member as a financial aid. Therefore, I think the board was very harsh on this matter. And then, It did not make our actions meaningful. We examined all the measures we introduced in the next COMP plan. I did not include them, but when I printed 11 bytes in the smallest font I could read in 7 papers, it was printed on 4 pages. We are using a spreadsheet to track all those actions. Therefore, I will say that we acted much higher than the instructions required by the Vanija group. At the same time, if we had implemented the same approach in the past, we would have had to carry out the same procedures. Even then, due to the same reason, it would have been avoided. Therefore, many of these are definitely new. I think that we have been lucky enough to be able to see these directions from Vanija Vagup as a test case. Therefore, I don't have much to say about this, but I think we should all be proud of the work we have done under the Planning Commission. The next step is to think about how to connect the details of the COMP plan we have prepared with the guidelines and guidelines, that is, what we have done according to what they have said. Otherwise, it will have to be separated into smaller parts. So, this is what I have to say about this situation. Let me say it again. I think the job we did was very good. This was done very carefully. We can all be proud of this. Okay. Finally, what I have to say is about Ms. Kramer's facility. We have to see if we can make any changes in the code. So, if someone has to do this kind of work without taking a permit, do we have any way to solve it? I think that's a small thing. I think we can talk more about it. Yes, we all made a joke about it. I think we should include the water droplets given to Ms. Kramer in geodegradable maps. Something like that.

27:09Speaker 4

Screening map.

27:10 – 29:35Speaker 2

Yes, in screening maps. This is more of a code issue than a code problem, and we don't have the right to handle this without a permit. For that, we need internal action. It would have been enough if someone paid attention, because it seemed like a big deal. This is not a code issue, is what I think. This is a problem related to the process. I'm sure that not many people would come if they needed to hide their identities on the map. Is that a fair thing? I know that we are giving advice to the living. A follow-up on that. Now, I think they will do it when all this comes out, but if the planning commission needs instructions. I would like a follow-up because I think that if the planning commission gets instructions, they will have more freedom to investigate things. Yes, but in my opinion, our permit constitution is only designed to handle such things. So, since our system is built for that, we are trying to handle it as much as possible. Rather than trying to implement it in a new permit system, I would say that we found another way. All of you are very creative. I think you have found a solution. Yes, it is change orders. Yes. Does anyone else have anything to say for the public opinion? Okay. Are we at the right time? Yes, it is time for our public hearing. So, let's move on to our public hearing. Today's topic is about the Baldwin Open Space Talks program. There is a sign-in sheet in the entrance card of the room. If you wish to speak, make sure that you have signed in to the entrance card. If you are in Zoom, raise your hand and select auction to speak. If you are connected by phone, raise your hand and press star 9. When you have time to speak, I will call your name and unmute the mic. Make sure that star 6 is selected to unmute your mic. Each person will have 3 minutes to speak. When you hear your name, please come forward and speak. Your time should not be given to anyone else. When speaking, please say your name and address for the audience. We will need a choreographer to handle the timers for the public opinions. This public hearing is now starting. Let's start with the staff introduction.

29:44 – 34:25Speaker 4

Yes, Commisioner Mark Shubha Sayanam, Rehagalkai says, My name is Marisa Wisman, I am from Community Planning. We are here today to conduct a general discussion on the expansion of the Baldwin Open Space Tax Program. The purpose of the Open Space Tax Program is to protect open spaces. According to the Open Space Taxation Act of RCW 84434, if appropriate lands are not developed in rural areas, the county government must give a minimum amount. This is a survey conducted by the staff at Baldwin Open Space. The estimated area of the land is 159.66 acres. This is located at the end of Case Extension Road SW at the end of Interstate 5 towards 113rd Avenue SW and MADown Road SW. This land is located in Upper Shahalis Water Resource Inventory Area or WRI 23. Moreover, it is located in the Allen Creek Basin of the unincorporated Therston County. It is expected to be placed in an open space below the 159.66 acres of land and the Department of Financial Protection. Residents or other buildings should not be avoided from this. These items have a history of agriculture that has been included in agricultural development. Although it was previously included in the Assessor's Farm and Agricultural Land Program, it now does not fulfill the responsibilities of the Board's Farm and Agricultural Conservation Land Department. The entire Open Space Endowment, which has been suggested, is for a 50% reduction of 3 points. In the context of the projects included in RCW N4434, for a 50% reduction of 3 points, the land that is being endowed under the Open Space Farm and Agricultural Conservation Land Department is being managed by Baldwin. In addition, this is included in the directions of the Telston County Open Space Tax Program. These items were previously included in the agriculture classification of the assessor's farm, but they are not available now. It has been announced that he has withdrawn from the assessor's office. Mr. Baldwin submitted the required materials along with his requested materials and included a land conservation method in it. On July 15, a work session was held by the Planning Commission on Open Space in the state. At the end of that work session, the Planning Commission decided to confirm this general hearing. The announcement about the general hearing was announced on July 30 in the Enqually Valley News. On August 5, a webmail announcement was sent to the email list server of the Community Planning Division. On August 12, a newspaper report was published, and announcements were sent to all residents around 500 feet from the object of the request. Using all available resources available in this hearing, the Telston County Community Planning website was also updated. So far, two public opinions have been received based on this suggestion. After the public opinion of the commissioners, I request the Planning Commission to approve the use of the 159.66 acres of Baldwin property as open space land. Thank you. My speech ends here. Thank you very much. Let's hear the public opinion. If anyone is here to talk about this, please come forward. I really like OpenSpace. I think this is a great program. When I consider OpenSpace, the only thought that comes to my mind is whether it is easy for us to change it from OpenSpace and use it for development. Does a developer have very little money to change it from OpenSpace? If so, will we lose the opportunity to make it an open space in the near future? So, this is my general thought about open space. Even though I am following this, I am hopeful that we will lose the things we aim for because there are no necessary costs and features when we change it. That is my opinion. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anyone else? Is there anyone to give an opinion online?

34:33 – 37:16Speaker 2

Okay, okay. This public meeting is now over. We can move on to the work session and the possible meeting. Does anyone have anything to ask the staff? I still have no idea how to avoid this from the assessor's department. I don't think there's any business going on there. Yes, but it is good that we have an alternative that people can look at. Yes, yes, I think everyone will read the general opinions that came from Mrs. Blessing and Mrs. Weidel earlier. Yes, when I do all these things, my opinions are always the same. I don't understand why they say that the 150 or 160 acre land of Assasar is not enough for the program. Then, I don't have much to do with this, so I'm postponing it. But this shows how much interest our assessors have in the open space program for other county people. Other people in the county. My knowledge is that when this position is passed, it will start a great change of pace, right? Before that, if it is postponed, there will be negative consequences, right? That's right. Is that nine years? Seven, seven, seven. I knew it. Therefore, I believe that they should agree to a continuous agreement when they sell the land. If they sell it within those seven years, if they don't do it, they will have to close the deal. Yes, if you buy the remaining tax, so that the land you buy may be part of it, if you buy it, it's not about when you're going to return it, it's about the loss of those seven years. Oh, I understood. If you don't do it properly, there will be more losses than the remaining tax. Okay. Therefore, there is a ban on buying that land. I know that it was the largest land that was sold in the county for a short time. As far as I know, it is still listed, but if anyone buys it just to grow it, there will be problems related to the land. Certainly, one's taxing district, expenses, and how much they earned through the open space program will depend on the loss. But generally speaking, the return from the program will not happen without loss. Commissioner Fishburne Yes, so if I understand these things correctly, I know that I am seeing the second one after I came to the commission. Instead of allowing the applicant to do some security activities on his own, he gets an expense, right?

37:22Speaker 3

That's right.

37:26 – 38:59Speaker 2

So, if we accept the proposal, how will the inspection of those actions be? Is there any way to make sure that they are actually doing what they say they are doing? To ensure that the public gets the opportunity to get it by reducing the number of cases. Their protection methods have been included in the usual inspection guidelines. That is, it depends on which department that provides protection. Moreover, the protection of the agricultural land does not require more maintenance than the natural habitat. For example, it does not require more maintenance than the natural habitat. For example, it does not require more maintenance than the natural habitat. In terms of agriculture, it is important to maintain it in a sustainable manner. So, it can be a simple thing like cutting grass. In many cases, there are small measures to maintain grass and plants in a short time. If you try to sell a plot at the land permit centre, you have to say sorry. Yes. They are not eligible for a temporary audit, and the Revenue Department is related to this. Yes, the audit is in progress. Commissioner Barclay, did you raise your hand? I thought he raised his hand.

38:59Speaker 4

He raised his hand, but...

39:00 – 42:04Speaker 2

It may be the same question. Go on. Why did you remove it from the hands of the assessor? Is this problem starting again? In this case, it was done because the amount of monetary transactions in the assets was reduced. In addition to the income, there should be a certain amount of monetary transactions and use in the assets. In the pre-briefing for Dorina Beard, I discussed the decisions made by the assessor. What they are saying is that they are paying attention to look at all landowners as individuals and to follow the law, that is, they are not taking unilateral decisions. Since the legal conditions in the part of the assessor are not followed, they are helping them by sending them to the board program. So, if we are preparing a proposal today, can we include it in the proposal that the Board needs to talk to the assessor about this program in order to fulfill Commissioner Nelson's wishes? Yes, I think it is possible. If you can submit a proposal. It should be included in the proposal. Yes, I think the reason is something to think about at any stage. We can do that. We can include it as an agenda in the next meeting, right? We can. But what I meant was, if we give a special recommendation about open space, please talk to the assessor and fix this program. If we give a second recommendation now, it can be useful. Because all the requests we have received in the near future have been received through the assessor. We don't have a direct relationship with the assessor, but we have a direct relationship with the board. Yes, Assessor is an office that has been chosen by itself, so I don't think we should waste time on it. Yes, even though county commissioners have a national relationship with the assessor, they can't do anything under the condition of a county commission. They can't force it, but they can do what they want. We're not saying that we don't respect this person's status. Again, that's it. I really don't know. There are two new people this year, and no one is going to win against them. I don't believe that a new assessor or five county commissioners will get a seat. So I don't want to spend our time on that. Okay. So, do you have anything to ask the staff? Oh, Commissioner Bartlett is there, right? Aha! Does anyone else have anything to ask the staff about this? We have a temperate motion washer next to us. Can we use it? I am ready to use it. Anyone can use it.

42:08 – 42:51Speaker 1

I congratulate Robert Baldwin for accepting the offer of the Open Space Tax Program for a land of 159.66 acres as per the Current Use Assessment. 12,73,320 for parcels. Poojam 12,73,32,000 Poojam 12,73,310 Poojam Poojam Koodadhe 1,27,33,300 Poojam 11,9038 Case Extension Road South West 11811 Poojam 111 Poojam 111 Poojam Driver Street South West Olympia, Washington Pindanaikannu

42:54 – 43:09Speaker 2

Prameethe pindunaikunnu. Oh, ningal rendamatthe prameem koodi nalgi. Rendu pindunagal. Sheri. Prameem avadaripikugeyum pindunaikugeyum cheditunda. Anugulikunnavar. Ade. Ennu parayuka. Ade. Ade. Edirkunnavar aarenkilum undo. Ningalku ningalude shuparsha labichu.

43:09Speaker 4

Valara nanni.

43:10Speaker 2

Valara nanni. Nanni. Prameem stirikarikunnu. Why is Pramayam announcing 3rd? I'm announcing 5th Pramayam. Okay.

43:20 – 43:50Speaker 1

Okay. Let's move on to the 6th agenda item of our new business. This is Cow Work Session No. 21, that is, FWCA Gap Analysis and Feedback Incorporation, Vetland. Okay. It's right there. You'll notice that I'm not Claire, right? Regal Kai, Community Planning Manager. She's doing something different in her hair.

43:53 – 47:40Speaker 2

Claire can't join us tonight. But we're going to talk about Gap Analysis. Again, this is the conversation about where the most advanced science of science leads us. Also, this will help us decide what kind of suggestions we should make when we write these code studies. Therefore, this is a continuous discussion for some of the opinions of the public and some of the questions we have received. The public has received various opinions on the approved approval. We believe that the approval or approval of the approved approval will be given in accordance with the rules of option 1 and 3 when we operate as a staff. If we are using this first option and the third option together, it is possible for those who want to stay in the environment of fish and wild animals or in wetlands to choose the fastest and easiest way. Therefore, this may be unnecessary. We may not need it. Yes, when we operate in this, we feel that we are only producing a very small amount of use or growth. Or, we can apply a specific type of method to the approval or a specific type of method that is like rehabilitation methods. The earth comes in the same way as growth. As a person who intended to do both the auctions, I have to say that the third option, which requires very little work to count the maximum buffers, has been designed as a quick option. I don't understand why we are making it so complicated. That's what we're talking about, right? Be careful to make things easier and make everyone's time more profitable by accepting the maximum number of buffers. I don't think it makes any sense to have one or three different rules. That's what I thought when we held the meeting. I'm happy about that. Okay, so what are we going to discuss now? One thing we heard in the public opinion is that we can come back to it if we want, but I don't want to leave it. The question is about how the process of legalization is going on. But I think we can make sure that we can talk about it later. If there are legalization activities, how do we check if they are really doing it? We don't have a proper compliance staff in CPD, do we? We do. We do. We have it in the SMP. SME law? Yes, Apollo, AVIDE. In my mind, complaints are the main reason behind complaints, right? So now that we've come to this, I can handle it right here. If we have time, I think it's better to discuss it right now. Our hearing was only for 10 minutes. Yes. And I will say that there are two parts to the method. And if there is a lagoon plan, there will be a normal inspection requirement and an inspection schedule. We can make sure that we are making sure that someone has the right to conduct those inspections during that inspection period. and then when the inspection period ends, it becomes a matter of complaint. So, if someone wants to cut down a buffer or some trees in the water, it is a matter of complaint. It is a matter of a new administrative area. It is mandatory and should not be permitted. So, this is how the system works. When the inspection period ends, it becomes a matter of complaint.

47:58 – 48:13Speaker 1

I'm not saying anything. I've had a lot of problems related to complaints. The truth is that they don't have the people they need for their goals. That's why I've turned to this approach, which is based on county complaints.

48:18Speaker 1

Complaints. I don't have a problem with that. But I don't know how to deal with it.

48:22 – 49:16Speaker 2

This is a common problem in local governments. Many local governments are making complaints about complaints. Others. I have discussed this with the county commissioners. This is a budget problem. For other types of laws, even if it is traffic safety, Otherwise, even if it is health care or anything else, the budget is always available, but the fact that it is not available for things related to the health of the earth is a lie. Yes. As far as I understand, some authorities operate through the office of the enforcement sheriff of the court. But, There will be an opportunity for you to review the requirements of the new code, to make provisions for the methods, to give instructions on how people should inspect temporary things, and to talk again about how we accept it. Therefore, according to Derek's opinion, it is a special discussion. Yes, it will be held next month. But...

49:16Speaker 4

I was expecting a big change in the tone of social media from the sheriff's office.

49:31 – 50:52Speaker 2

A change that happened in Camp Pitman due to a wetland buffer. So I'm just thinking, maybe this is the best time for it, but in the development of open source software, when there is a problem in a place without money, you keep the name bug bounty, then the people interested in it go and investigate that problem. It is said that we have a very living community. If there is any way to look at people from the road in a small way, that is, without going to someone else's private property, can't we see if there is any problem there? If so, you will have a way to get complaints. If we can, we would like to investigate it. But we don't have the resources for that. If you have free time, this is an opportunity for you to go and investigate. One way is to give a small amount of money or anything else. You can run a bake sale. One way is to get one or two employees from it. This is all I can say. There are people who are interested in protection of the situation. If the county knows that there is a good job, they will do it with a very low rate or situation. If we can do it, we should be ready to make use of it. I think this is a terrible idea. All of this is very bad. All of them are defeated.

50:52Speaker 1

You are encouraging people to hide themselves.

51:07 – 51:54Speaker 2

I can tell you that I am a person who runs public services on my own. If that starts, I will stop it for a while. Oh! Because when you open the door for the public, you never know who is coming. That's why I don't like people coming. I don't have any mitigation projects in my place right now, so that won't be a big problem. But that's it. If you focus on more things that can be made responsible, it will be a problem. That is something to think about. I thought that no one in the world would complain. Only things that can cause problems can be taken into account and a system can be brought about through this. I don't know if you are taking my information out. But that's all general knowledge, isn't it?

52:02Speaker 4

I don't know if the mitigation plan is like that. For more details, you have to make a public request.

52:10 – 54:37Speaker 2

But if someone needs all the mitigation permits, won't they get it? Within a certain period of time. Years. Yes. Oh, I've made a lot of public requests before. It's a fear of my own. But I'm just saying that it's a public request. Mr. Bartlett, Chief. Yes. I like the idea that including our voices in this will help reduce costs and make things easier. There are some ways to bring the same thing as Daniel describes. It can be one with more rules. We can set a certain limit for what is in other people's hands. We need to get their approval for that. You need to make this clear. If we bring a regulation to this, the widows will be more safe, so they will not have any problems, and at the same time, the people will have the opportunity to monitor things. This will help to reduce the burden on others' well-being. I am not saying anything about the complaints, but if watchdog groups see any regulations, They may complain, but we have a system that makes complaints a base. It may be a bit unnecessary, but if someone says that there have been 500 complaints in the last year's budget meeting, there will be a change. That's a good thing. I am saying that it will help to get more accurate opinions about this. Next, let's move on to a discussion about FTE. Yes, even if it was a description that made it clear what we wanted from a complaint, yes, about how good it would be, right? How would a good complaint be? How do you handle it? How many complaints do you get? How much effort do they have to make? Have you spoken to the board in the past three years? I believe that we have had a lot of discussions with the board about whether you are interested in that particular topic or not. Okay, they are very interested in law enforcement. I don't remember whether the law enforcement law and compliance code were included in our agenda.

54:39Speaker 4

Yes, the Commissioners have included the Title 26 Code Enforcement Update in the agenda. Great!

54:44 – 55:38Speaker 2

The Commissioners were the ones who included it in the agenda without discussing the budget. If I think about how to do this, there are two things here. How many provisions are available? How are they spent? This is an opportunity to write a code on what kind of procedures should be given to the Commissioners. Oh, right. Let's continue. I know this will lead to a big problem. Haven't we passed something like the National Security Act? The National Security Act. Yes. I'm saying that this is a general issue, and I'm saying that the National Security Act is a discussion about the safety of safe water and safe conditions. We can find a way to convert that money into a FET.

55:38Speaker 1

Many things in the enforcement of the code are related to security. Yes, yes, many of them are related to the sheriff's office. There is money there.

55:45 – 1:05:44Speaker 2

I think you can call it a security operation. It's a security operation. I'm just saying. It's better than more cameras. It's a budget meeting. If you're talking about the board, you're a member of the county. In terms of the planning commission, I think it comes under the jurisdiction of the planning commission. But this is not something that can be done in a different way for people. Okay, I took a lot of everyone's time. Are there more slides next to you? Yes, great. We can move forward, so today we are going to talk about some things. We will discuss the most valuable scientific information and the changes suggested by Gap Analysis. I think you are all familiar with this incident. After that, we will conduct a discussion. At that time, we expect you to give us instructions on how to write coding and how to include it in the forms we bring and help you. This is one of the most important scientific findings we have obtained. There are sensitive areas where the air condition is changing. We have trees, ponds, and other trees. There are also unique air conditions in our county. They are also included there. Another important factor for us is the riparian areas. This is a big part of the guidance we get from the Department of Fish and Wildlife. In addition, I do not want to use the word buffer for the quality of the environment, the quality of the water, the resources it gives to the community, and the guidance on how to understand it. Because that's not it, the Department of Fish and Wildlife is thinking about it. Instead, what is a Repair and Management Zone? Then, what is Swadhinamegala? What happens when development takes place in that Swadhinamegala? So, the interface is complete. Pulmaids are a very important and important habitat in Thelston County. Some of them extend to P.S. County, but our pulmaid habitat is the most important habitat. In addition, they protect many habitats that are in danger of extinction and genocide. As I mentioned earlier, those pulmaid facilities are man-made. That is why they are not made naturally. They are made through the management of the environment, i.e. through sustainable interactions. Traditionally, it was made using fire. In addition, the Otigan White Oak is also a very important and essential environment for us locally. Other things, other changes we are investigating, we talked about earlier. In our screening tools, we would like to provide the best quality and accuracy, as well as provide appropriate reporting for the project. For example, if we look at three options of wild life or wetlands regulations, it helps us to do things in the right places and in the right way. So, if we can bring flexibility, we can do it within a certain limit. We can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss and that we can make sure that there is no loss That is why there are a few code sections here that test us and the widows know about. When we begin to test the most valuable scientific information and the instructions we put forward, these are the widows we get. That is why we need clear instructions for the standards for the protection of our natural habitat. We are planning to use WDFW's Repair and Management Zone's existing plans, directions and management guidelines. That is why it is a good way to stand in the Department of Fish and Wildlife. Site potential, tree height and other things. Yes. So, as Andy suggested, that Repair and Management Zone site potential tree height is decided. Channel Migration Zone is included in it. Therefore, if there is a deep forest, you must measure the height of the most suitable tree that can grow in that soil. That is the distance from a forest. They are establishing a Repair and Management Zone. The goal of this is that a tree in that zone falls into the forest and makes the necessary steps. That is where they have calculated it as a reasonable decision. Even though this is a scientific fact, it is also a good sign. I have a slight doubt. I don't really understand how far this is going. In some places, the channel migration zones are hundreds of feet long. With that, the site potential can be increased from 248 to 251 feet. It can quickly turn into a quarter mile buffer. That is where we are establishing a Repair and Management Zone. I think that a water protection cloud can be understood differently from a no-touch buffer. Let's think about what uses can be implemented in a Repair and Management Zone. Just as we think about water buffers, we can also think about what facilities should be maintained within the Repairion Management Zone. Another interesting thing is that if there is a Channel Migration Zone, it comes under the authority of the Master Program. Master Program I understand that there is interest in this matter, because there are many assets that affect such a management zone. But this reflects the nature of the earth that people buy and build more accurately. It is right that such a zone is established to inform people about the changes in the flow of rivers and their current circumstances. This will help them when they start construction when they buy things. Yes, I think it is a good thing. It describes a reality. It has specific characteristics and features. So, it is also likely to become very big like a flood plain. Then, the rivers can flow smoothly. So, it also has a factor of health and safety. Therefore, if you are standing in the channel migration zone, the river can flow to the place you intend to build. That is, that's the basic thing, isn't it? It's in the fish and wild life, isn't it? Yes, this is not from the river, but from the other side of the channel migration zone. Yes, some rivers don't flow that fast. Some may be in the deeper areas. Their nature may be a little different. Some may be more shallow, so they don't flow that fast. But, Now, we have to update the Repair and Management zones in this part of the screen, because this configuration used in the monthly code starts from the outside of the buffer. So, there is a Repair and Management zone that extends to the end of the monthly code, and then to the end of the CMS, but that is only that part. So, we are examining all these parameters. If we move this idea forward, we can use it differently and more accurately than we use it now. Okay, so things will be more clear. The same thing should not be repeated many times. Another important thing for us is the current situation. We have discussed many times that the laws protecting our land, the reconstruction of ponds, and the restoration of places where oak trees grow are becoming an obstacle. From the life of the Department of Fish and Wildlife, from the land managers, and from the pool-maid managers, we have come to know that they are having a hard time rebuilding the pool-maids according to our legislation. Then, you mean to say that some conifer trees are being removed from that area, right? Yes, that's right. The main problem is the overgrowth of Dugfir trees. Dugfirs are the first ones, and we haven't found a solution to that yet. There is no clear way to solve it. There may be a way hidden somewhere in Kodile Director's jurisdiction, but we haven't been able to find it. We use traditional methods such as burning and destroying.

1:05:52Speaker 4

Since they are large trees, they can withstand the heat well. Yes, or the top of the tree can burn. Yes.

1:05:55 – 1:12:39Speaker 2

Therefore, we have discussed with our other members of the Reconstruction Department about how their programs can work well. For example, before dug fir trees are cut down from the riparian management zone, we can think about what conditions should be maintained. So, this is a slightly new thing. We have heard this from WDFW Jeeva Shastra Nirel. We asked them this question. I don't know if you remember what the planning commission asked them. Is this a clear explanation? Then, we have spoken to the members of our group. We have a good plan to re-establish the Poolemaids as a living thing. There are ways to do this through agricultural activities. We can do it in places where palm trees need to be rebuilt and dug fir trees have fallen. We can make it much easier to cut trees. When you hear this, you may feel a little scared, but it is an atmosphere that has been destroying this region. That's exactly what I meant by this. I was aware of the concerns of the public about small-scale construction and the removal of trees. Instead of trees that are hindered by the construction of shed-like structures, we will be able to maintain and maintain pre-rehabited trees. I think this is a great wish. We can make use of this in large building structures and in remote areas where they want to stay. As part of the development projects, I need it to be maintained and maintained as ponds. Do we have any ponds in the 1-in-5 field and in the traditional areas? We can make some in UGS. That's what I thought too. Yes, but I think some of them will be trying to rebuild. But, yes, I think we can talk more later when we think about the other things we discussed about the pulmets. We can make it possible for large subdivisions to have clustering-like needs to stop those empty places. We received feedback from workers in the Squax Island tribe. Elks were required to make this mandatory in places with good air condition. Because Elks are not suitable for living in the grasslands. We think they are in the forest. But traditionally, they are not suitable for living in the grasslands. I fully agree with that. When we prepare a suitable method, we use this with the things we talked about in the Connect video. I would like to know if the government has any limits or permits to use their intelligence and cultural knowledge to rebuild all the villages with the help of the federal approval of the Thurston County. I don't know. I know that we have a natural resource system that works independently for our activities. In reality, our air system reconstruction or our HCP, HCP air system protection system is a big part of the county's pulmed air systems. I know that it is definitely one of the things that our team is interested in how to implement in their long-term management. I believe that they are the ones who know more about that job than we do. In other words, when we talk about whether we are contributing to the general welfare of such things, or whether we are contributing to the reduction of our personal weight, instead of giving money to some institutions, it would be a great answer to give funds to our members, that is, to our tribal members. There are also examples of cultural burns in some common lands. This needs to be investigated. That fire is just... Therefore, we are investigating the uses of this fish in wildlife environments. Then, W, D, F, W, W, D, F, W will be used as the basis for where we will have the systems. So, I think we have started this part. This is part of the work we are trying to do today. We have to decide where to go, where to go. We talked about the most scientific things we have talked about. I think we will be interested to include them here. We can think clearly about how we handle the small obstacles found between the Olympics and the Cascades. They pass through us. Let's see what we can do in those places. What are the possibilities for us to study in the West? The main obstacles are I-5 and I-5. But there are a lot of people who work for this. In the middle of the city, there are hopes and dreams for a big wild animal crossing. Yes, here alone, alone, all around. That's right.

1:12:39Speaker 4

At the place where the A-farm touches the freeway.

1:12:45 – 1:20:34Speaker 2

Yes, there was a recent study on using big cats funding. How can we implement this in CAO KAUK? For example, we can do some things by using their mappu. In those areas, we can bring in different development systems or initiatives. I think that the instructions from Squaxant Island and Squaxan Island are in line with this. For example, when we conduct a large land distribution of these clouds, we need to think about bringing them together to form interstellar clusters that connect the atmosphere. To establish interstellar clusters If someone wants to make a connectivity connection up and down the I5, it would be a very quick and easy process, wouldn't it? If it is for a wild animal connectivity, do we have any way to reduce that weight by giving a quick connection in special cases? I know that even in the lower part of the county, most of it is below the Gathakadha area. Yes, we can't access DOT, but the 20% of the urban areas are below the county. We are actively discussing whether to use any kind of funds to reduce the cost of such projects or to allow them to be done quickly. i.e., if there is a special mechanism in the rehabilitation of the respiratory system, then we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we can assume that there is no loss at all there and we I think this is something that cannot be tested on a large scale. But our colleagues say that funding is very difficult to get only for two years. I like to give recommendations more than violent acts, so it is better to go that way. Yes, of course, I agree. Yes, if we can encourage such actions, it will be a great thing, because it is not just a big deal, nothing else. Although some groups of people have been able to pass through five historically, they are not able to do so now. For example, cultural and financial groups of people. Yes. I am not sure. There will be a lot of permission for that, and it is not only in the constitutional areas. But is it a part of any reform mechanism like the one adopted by the Constitution? What are the standards to be used to reform such mechanisms? If we have reformed such mechanisms in advance, how can we provide the necessary resources to take development activities through structures or to develop ponds? I am sure that you will be using the same kind of applications for all these things. My intention is that we can no longer give regular bonuses and density bonuses, right? We can use TDRs and TDRs. That's not a regular thing. Yes, it's like a zero sum density. That's an option. Or, to make clustering easier, we can do some easements. That is, It should be easy for people to do clustering, because everyone wants a 5-acre mini estate. Growth operations in clusters are more cost-effective. There are very few basic facilities, because everything can be concentrated into one place. Then a road will be enough. Otherwise, each person does not need special roads for a 5-acre plot. I prefer the way in which facilities and facilities are added to such facilities. But I think there are many easy ways for people to manage and control their Earth. If a large part of their Earth is generally managed by the atmosphere, they should get some kind of support for that. I am interested in the hope that clusters will be made mandatory in these clouds. Then, if we are talking about facilities and systems, we can bring a way to make clustering a standard. If you are not interested in clustering, you can find out about the conditions in which you have to pay the deposit. You can buy development opportunities by using a 5-acre auction. If you want to open a place for tenants or open a pool, will you allow us to add open spaces and more mansions to the open spaces? If so, will anyone be able to access open space tax credit to promote this? I think so. Yes, there is a public benefit rating system, and the county can choose that. We have one like that, in which not only certain areas are designated as designated areas. There are things like views, view corridors, and sales development in it. So we can test it. I think that would be a good idea. We can add a section for the disabled. We can do this for the disabled or for the disabled or for other things that are of value to the society. When we think about such progressive actions, we can make the board change the values ​​of the Conservation Futures program. We can change it in a way that gives a high score to such projects. So we can do some things through regulatory agreements. Conservation Futures funds can be used for volunteers. Can the Conservation Futures Fund be used as a TDR? That is, does it operate like a program that buys development rights? Do you usually do it for the rights that are there? Yes. But the county can hold on to it. You don't have to take anything else through their trusts. I know. That is, the county can buy land directly under that program. You can buy it, keep it in your hands, sell it, and use it in any way you want. Yes, just like you buy development rights in some places for the creation of a city. Yes. Then, they can give it as property or as a question. I know that touristy places are a seven-year thing. It must be seven years. In my opinion, the reason is that, especially for grass-breeders, it has to be maintained for a long period of time, and if there is a longer period of time for that section like the agricultural land, it is a bit like a forest or a forest to preserve it. Yes, the demand is low, but it will take more time. So, I can't say, oh, I bought this whole land. When I try to sell this for cluster development, I'm going to use these places to reduce my demand. No, I want it to last for 20 or 30 years, not 7 years. This is outside the scope of the Critical Areas Ordinance. I'm not sure what the relationship between the county and Tamil is. Constitutional law. Constitutional law. I asked. You can do TDR for wild animals, but when you try to reconstruct the ponds, they will immediately cut down the trees to make the ponds bigger, and then in seven years, who will see all that?

1:20:34 – 1:20:46Speaker 1

They will cut down a lot of ponds, and then they will decide, oh, I got a new land to build, what should I do? It can be turned into a project that makes a huge difference. If it's a pond, you can't build it there. They will do it. Can they do it?

1:20:56Speaker 2

It will depend on its zoning. It is not a no. I am saying that it is a fair thing.

1:21:00Speaker 1

Immediately, they will be able to do it in some cases. If you are researching a safety frontier, I would say that the most important thing is the cluster.

1:21:07 – 1:34:42Speaker 2

That is the best way. So, if they are building there, they can only build what they need there. If they are in the most peaceful place, However, I don't want to allow people to use open spaces. My wish is to remove the trees that cause problems and finally turn them into a sub-division. That's why I like the idea of this one. This suggestion is related to this. Then, when I talk about such fast-paced procedures and other alternatives, I am generally interested in how to handle such losses and misuse. I think we should be very attentive in this regard. Is there anyone else who wants to ask anything to the staff on this matter? One or two things. This was one of the things I noticed in many opinions. Make things more clear. Make it easy for those who want to make sure that the laws are in place. Make it easy for developers to make sure that they know the rules. Then, there are many opinions that it is better to sow more seeds than to grow. For example, in a shed situation, there is not much harvest. Therefore, it seems strange that the same growing needs for a large crop affect it. Drainage issues are a good example of this. Even though it is not in accordance with the law, it is a natural phenomenon in the environment. So I would like to know what we can do about these things. We have done something similar before. I don't know how easy it will be in the field of earth science. There, we tried to implement it in the context of the possibility of disasters. If you want to do something in a place where there is a possibility of an accident, you will need a big report from a geologist. But if the possibility of an accident is low, a small letter from a geologist will be enough. Therefore, we can find ways to investigate various areas of research. Whether this affects our 13th option or not, we have not yet examined how this relates to Repair and Management's own guidance. However, I see this as a double-edged sword. That is, before deciding whether a person needs examination, there are questions, circumstances, and honorifics to be asked. It is a thing that we have heard from the public that it is necessary to implement it correctly, that is, to give an answer without exaggeration. We know that this is an important thing and that it is a clear instruction that we have received from all institutions. Then, the first one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. Then, the third one uses the maximum buffer. I feel that we are going in the wrong direction regarding ditches. Since most of the ditches in Thurston County have been designed to drain water from wherever they are, I think it is necessary to protect the ditch district. So if we tell people not to put buffers on their beds, what will happen to the people in the upstream? For example, I want to build a house. But if I live in a bed, what will I do if you tell me not to touch my bed? 20 years from now, it will be true. The door will have to be cleaned, but I can't do it because there is a buffer there. It will affect everyone in the upstream. Yes, I think it is a big problem in Thurston County. We have received feedback from many places. Yes, when we talk about this issue, the Growth Management Act is a great solution, i.e. how the environment of fish and wildlife is managed by agriculture, agriculture, and agriculture. This is a complex issue. I encourage you to think deeply about these issues. I think that carrot stick salad is used like carrot stick salad. As a vegetarian, it is not a very interesting description. Then, a carrot that looks like a bowl is usually used as a greeting. That is, Hey, we made this bowl. Now it has become a good atmosphere. What benefit do we get from it? That is, we have done this. Now we are stuck in a way that we do not have authority in the case of ditch districts. Um, Adoru, Ade can be the answer. The answer to that can also be the same. I feel that we are remembering the various orders we are discussing here. There are those that are used only for drainage and those that actually provide ventilation. What is it that they are trying to understand? Also, what are the needs of each facility, or what kind of activities and resources are they trying to save? So, it is one side, it is their other side, or you can look at it this way, this is the drainage, it provides this ventilation system. So, instead of saying that there is no use to all those who live in the middle of the river, we should try to maintain it because it provides air quality. We don't have to pay attention to you, because I can tell you. I don't think so. I know that they are now replacing the fish bypass in the 113th number in Bloomsditch. Okay, so does that mean it's not a river? Of course, the fish will come because of the water there, and the fish in the trap will run through those holes and swim back and forth. But if anything happens between the Blooms ditches, there is a well there, and there is a buffer in the well, and it stops the water flowing back and forth. On the other side of that well, Because when they requested for a permit, the county said, we don't care about that. That's an order. You can't do anything about it. So they're standing there. I have some things to tell you. Because this has a lot to do with the open space property we discussed today. You will see a place where there is a lot of water during the rainy season and sometimes during the rainy season. They used to grow rice in that place. But now they are not doing that. Therefore, it is necessary to think about where the streams are operating as underground facilities and to prevent the operation of those underground facilities. For example, it is necessary to think that we do not require people to place buffers in stormwater wells. There are some of them. We are now just wandering in circles. Yes, I don't think I can find an answer to that right away. Let's put that back to us for a moment. Let's think about it. Yes, it's a toad from us. Here it is. One. Yes, there are two stars in it. I agree that this is a toad. Yes, thank you. Okay. Does anyone else have anything to say about the gap analysis in this work session? I have only one question. Yes, you said that a ditch district said something about this. Who is that? He speaks very clearly with the county commissioners. Yes, yes, we went with them to discuss those issues. They have a tour now. Water district. Yes, today or yesterday sent letters in the pocket. So you can take it. Today morning. Before coming to this meeting, I know that we all have read the opinions of the public in detail. Even if someone has left to read it. There are very good opinions in this, especially the opinions of people from all walks of life in this area. I strongly suggest that we find the time and read it. The decision was in the pocket. Yes. Okay, let's move on to the next step, which is Staff Updates. So, I'm going to talk a little bit about the Growth Management Hearings Board decision. We have to reach a final decision on how to implement this as a county. But as I said earlier, the actions we took about the climate crisis, I think, will fulfill most of the needs of the answer in my calculation. So I say again, we did it. We spent a lot of time on it. And, as a crosswalk man, we were very attentive to what we did. Also, we have a list of very powerful actions. Um, I have a problem. There is a probe there. No, I took it from my part. But, um, you said that it was back and forth on four legalized pages. 11 by 17. Oh, ledger size. Ledger size. Um, yes, I think we can share it. Okay. So, um, we have a problem, um, I think there was an intention to conduct a briefing on this. I would like to wait until we get the opportunity to speak with our legal advisors. I believe that the final decision of the board is what the appeal should be. On the appeal, is there a deadline for it? We have 30 days to respond. So by next month, we will be able to know for sure. But we had a docket to talk about the current state of the county that we are running. As a county, we are facing new challenges. As you know, we are the first county in this ordinance. I am very proud that we are doing great things in the county. So, this is not just a summary of our COMP plan, but rather a new approach to a program-like question and instructions in the form of instructions. I feel that the information required by Ms. Seppan is one of the things we are doing to welcome her. The work program that we have created in the COMP plan is now being implemented through the conditions of the county. That is why this temporary docker building was built. That is why I wanted a working group to be needed if our meetings were not in order to avoid wasting time. But if this is in the docket, it will be able to talk about the county's weather events. That is one of the reasons why it was included in the docket. Good. What is the time limit for all of you in the sub-district of Subhash? I think it can be scheduled for a minimum of one and a half to two months. So I have to make it official. Do you have any other updates from the staff? Not from my department. Have you completed all your assignments? I think so. I think so. I know that an interview is going on today.

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Admin. Fiscal admin. So? It's very interesting. Okay, let's go to our calendar. On September 2, Planning Commission Work Planning and Scoping and CAO Work Session 22 will be introduced. Did anyone plan to not participate in the September 2 meeting? Everyone is expected to come. Then on the 16th, Grand Mountain 193 Land Use Resorting and then we have to do Critical Area Ordinance Work Session 23. It will be a fish and animal habitat. Code. Okay, I think the sessions are over. Continue. Yes, I will not be here for the September 16th meeting. Thank you, Commissioner Fishburne. Certainly. Okay, does anyone have anything to say for the good of the program? I would like to thank Commissioner Kerr for organizing the last meeting. I thank you for accepting it. Since there are no other things, this meeting ends here.

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