City Council - Regular Meeting

I had no time getting this time. I call to order the regular meeting of the Teroot City Council on Thursday, February 5th, 2026. First item on the agenda is a moment of silence and the pledge of allegiance to the flag. Tonight, the pledge will be led by Councilman Jim Chos. Oh boy. [clears throat] I pledge allegiance

to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Can we have a calling of the role, please? Council person Azar, present. Council person Bolan, present. Council person Chaos, also present. Council person Deon, I'm also here. Council person President Dingle, present. Council person Hinton, present. Council person Loudermilk, present. Council person Nation, here. Council person Thompson, here.

All are present. This time we reserve up to 30 minutes of time for public comment on items not on the agenda. If you wish to make public comment, we ask that you [cough] please limit your comments to [clears throat] three minutes and address your comments towards the council. We have a signup sheet and first is Mark Lincoln. Evening commissioner.

Good evening. Thank you, Mr. President, members of the council. Uh just come here to basically kind of give you a little update on on the county side of things. And um first I wanted to I don't want to steal the mayor's thunder, but we just got back from the Washington DC trip. It's our annual trip there to um do some lobbying um and talk to uh senators and uh Congress folks from both sides of the aisle. We had some great meetings. You know, two of our priorities are uh third lane on I7 for economic reasons, safety reasons, and we continue to push that. And the other [clears throat] is the 181st Tactical Wing. Um they're doing some good stuff out there. We want to make sure that their missions continue and also possibly expand. So, had some good meetings about that. And um just also just want to reiterate how well um the mayor and the commissioners are working together to for the betterment of our community. We're all in this together. We're on city council, county council, or whatever. I I feel like there um there's a lot of good things happening in this community. sometimes it gets drowned out by some negative stuff, but we're all going to keep working together and I I I appreciate the time to let me come here um and speak. Um also just wanted to update you and thank you all for a couple months ago um several of you came and spoke on behalf of the oversight board and I and I know I I I think you folks passed a resolution. I want to thank you for that. They are up and running and u really diving into some good stuff here. So, um, we I think we just pretty much hit it out of the park with that oversight board. Some really good folks on there. Uh, people that, you know, some people didn't even know. Uh, which is good. It's good to get other people involved. So, wanted to give you a little update on that. And then finally, um, the commissioners and our county update is February 25th at 900 a.m. at the Sycamore Banquet Center, and we would love to have you there if you could. But, uh, thank you for the time. Appreciate all you guys do. Thank you.

Thank you. May I ask a question? Council [laughter] person, commissioner, I have a question. Thank you for coming tonight. Sure. U may I ask how the oversight board was selected, how the people were selected.

Yes. Well, we actually ended up um having application process. I see. So, we opened that up that application process and we had 21 applicants and then we had um um the mayor commissioners [clears throat] were there, a schoolboard representative, u chamber representative and we all um had a scoring rubric that we scored everyone based on their um resume that they sent in and we took out of that. I think we took the top 10 and then we discussed those and we came up with the final five. Well, the final four because one is um automatically appointed because they're the president of the school board. I see. Okay. Thank you. Sure.

Thank you. That is the end of our signup sheet. Is there anybody else that would like to make public comment? [clears throat] Okay, this will t time we will close public comment. Corrections to the journal of the preceding meeting. There are none.

Communication from the mayor. Good evening, Council President Dinkle. It's great to say that for the first time this calendar year, uh, some stuff changes. Councilman Nation is now to my right, but something that never changes is the charming personality of Councilman George Asar. [laughter] So, it's great to be back with you all today. Uh, I am going to give you guys a couple of updates. We will start with um, sorry, Jim. We will start with the Washington DC pitch. Um things went really well as we discussed the 181st intelligence wing. We are now going to see some physical progress. So I went under the Biden administration for the OLDCC utility study grant. The Trump administration said yes, we like that. Gave it to us. So it's always good to see both those teams support something. And what we're looking to do is add sanitary storm water water and then study energy to the 181st intelligence wing which of course is connected to the terote airport. Adding those utilities will cost money. The study will allow us to apply for a grant to get the construction to do that. Why that matters for all of you, specifically our ATL large members and Councilwoman Thompson, is we finally have an opportunity to get the federal government to pay for some of the utilities that we connect to your district specifically and for our ATL large members kind of connect the community. So, that's been a good process. I met with the civil engineering team today uh and I'll meet with them again next week and then they'll start sending updates every two weeks and we're hoping to apply for that in early 2027. uh two three specific members we continue to work with. Congresswoman Aaron Hchin uh being on ways and means is looking at the National Defense Authorization Act for potential earmarks as is Congressman Frank Murvan who's actually from Northwest Indiana, but he is hoping to get on defense appropriations and then Congressman

Mesmer. So, lot of really good I I don't think folks realize in in the general public that a lot of those congressmen and women, yes, they have a district, but if you have a priority that advances the state, they will open your door to you. And it's um I've been to some DC trips that are frankly just frustrating and some DC trips where we get some things done. And I'm proud to say we we got some things done on that. Next is a demolition update. Uh Jordan Marvel redevelopment, they released 24 homes for demolition. Terote Wastewater is helping City of Terote Engineering and it's actually helping you and everyone in the community by demoing six homes in two garages. Why does that matter? Because when they demo a home, the 270day timer starts for utilities relocation for the 13th and 8th Avenue overpass. So think like Duke Energy, Indian-American Water, and Centerpoint have to move their utilities for this overpass to go in. their 9-month timeline, which I think is very long, uh, is going to begin as soon as wastewater is done with this trunch of demolition. Wastewater doing the demolition is going to save us about $130,000 because we're handling it internally. We just have to pay a tipping fee. So, lot of good is happening there by using some city staff to cover a portion of that project. Um, and it's good to see visual progress on the overpass. Uh, I think we started talking about this loosely in 2017 with a full study in 2019 and finally at 2026, we're seeing visual progress on the 13th and 8th Avenue overpass. [snorts] Secondly, I want to quickly touch economic development. Two big projects um that I feel comfortable now publicly discussing. The first is the 13th and Hullman property. Uh Indiana Railroad has made some significant progress clearing out some of the trees. They're going to begin dirt work and they're working to relocate some companies here in town to

provide some uh highquality jobs. And the best part, they did not ask for a tax abatement. So, it's always good to to see some economic development without no incentives uh and to get a city property back on the tax roll. So, we feel like we've accomplished a lot with that one parcel. Secondly, we are working with a company located in North Teroot that's looking to double their company size. Um, we've had initial discussions. They have a site map. They are looking to get the property they need, which is next to their current property. And so, we will bring likely an alley vacation to you all. I would love a vacation now that I say vacation out loud. Uh, but we would like to vacate an alley, which we hope to bring you here in one to two months. So, that's another project that is nearing the finish line. Uh, next I want to move to parks and recreation. So, uh, and I'll leave this with you all if you'd like. I'll send this to you all digitally. It is an update on the five-year master plan. It shows what's in progress and what's been completed. On that, you will see like Spencer Ballpark, Kallet Ballpark, VO County YMCA, Deming Park Pool, Deming Park playground equipment. So, Kylie tracks the projects that you all have like thumbmed up when it comes to funding and we're ready to rock. two larger projects that are not on this sheet, but we are I'm probably three months away from bringing you. The first is Booker T. Washington. Our goal there is to add uh two full basketball courts that would also be indoor pickleball courts. Uh some locker room improvements to help with our indoor sports recreation programming. Uh they do have a lot of pickup basketball nights. They need more space. Uh it does provide more indoor sports uh for the community that we're looking forward to doing. Uh we believe we can start that in 2027 and be done in 2027 and that would be paid in cash. We

hope no edit dollars, no property tax dollars, but from casino gaming revenue dollars. I will know that funding for sure in June though. I need a few more months of data to make sure everything else is on track before I say, "Hey, this is this is what we're going to go with." So, give me about 5 months for the funding on that project to be completely solidified on. The second project that's not on our project tracker because again, I give it to Kylie to begin tracking once I confirm funding. Uh, the second big one is Ray Park. Yes, it's a golf course. Yes, we have a trail going in. We also have a a tennis problem. The tennis courts there are very, very outdated and old. Uh, so instead of just adding outdoor tennis courts, the United States Tennis Association is offering a very large grant to cover about a third to 40% of an indoor tennis complex. What I'm going to look at is if we can do a construction management or BOT build, operate, transfer process. I prefer we do a BOT because then we can actually pay our portion of that project over time over two calendar years to where it wouldn't affect the budget and would require only one additional appropriation which would come from edit which has a cash balance of 13 million and at the end of the year we project that cash balance to be 15 million. So I'm going to pull it from an account where we have money and we can finish a project and not require any bond work. I will know that project more by April because it's strictly edit and a grant and not gaming revenue. So with that, I will open up for uh any questions. I apologize. I was not able to make it last month due to some military training. So uh I know it's been two months, but if there's any district specific questions, city overall questions, uh complaints about

snow removal, and I apologize. I did take out one mailbox, but we got that situation figured out. So, with that, any questions, please go ahead and ask. And if not, we'll continue on. Presentation. Thanks, uh, Mayor. First, all the way back to the beginning of your presentation, the 181st, what is OLCC stand for?

I knew someone would ask me that. I I'm I forget the acronym, but I'll explain. The OLDCC is a subcomponent of the Department of Defense, sorry, Department of War. Um, basically, uh, the DoD said, "We have bases that are next to or inside of cities and bases that need to expand will cost local government money to put in the utilities or housing or they do a number of different projects. The good part about this grant program is when they grant money, they don't give it to the base. They give it to the municipality to do something on behalf of the United States military. So their their office is uh near the Pentag Pentagon in Crystal City. Um the employees that we work with there have not been doed, which is a good sign. Uh and the funding has been approved through the appropriations process. So there is money next year for implementation funding of the utility study.

Okay. Uh what's also interesting is and we can thank uh Representative Path uh who was a part of this as well as state senator Greg Good. For the first time in Indiana history, the state legislature is also putting about I think they did 15 million in a base resiliency fund which is money that can go towards military bases upgrading facilities and utilities. So there is potential that we capital stack federal and state dollars. Uh, I'm focusing on federal because as it goes in state government, they appropriated money and they haven't quite figured out their process exactly of how they'll distribute that. So, it might work out in our favor when it comes to timing, but bottom line, we feel pretty comfortable with this conversation with the federal government.

That's great. Thank you. Um, the other thing about the 181st uh part of the presentation, you mentioned energy as being one of the things that they're going to study. Can you just elaborate on that a little bit? like what kind of energy are we talking about solar energy? Are we talking about something else? That's a great question, Councilman Nation. So, um I kind of use an energy above all approach like at some point we do need to have conversations about uh not just natural gas and coal but natural gas, coal, wind, solar and even SMRs. Uh the reason being is I'm sorry

SMR is fision energy. Uh it's very popular in well it's very popular in Europe, China. It's starting to be popular in Utah. The state's doing it well there. And so, basically, when we talk about energy, there's two trains of thought. We all know rates are going up. So, we can continue to do what we're doing, which is allow private utilities to focus on coal and natural gas, or we can start looking at other options to lower energy costs. So, what are some other options that produce more energy for less that can lead to lower rates? We have seen this successfully done only once in the state so far. Uh, and I believe I think it's northeast Indiana and I'm almost positive it's an Amazon data center, but I will check that a data center went up a few years ago. The data center paid to add 400 megab megawws of extra energy to the grid. Now they're going in for a rate decrease. They're the only one going in for a rate decrease. Everyone else is going in for a rate increase. So the conversation around energy is what can we locate around transmission stations or within the city and connect to a transmission station that adds energy to the grid from a municipal side to lower the private utility rates. It is a very frustrating conversation because you can do as much work as you want in government but ultimately there's a private company that you're negotiating with. However, one of the benefits to us is um for years the state and federal government said we have an energy problem, but now it looks like the state has their energy department that is really starting to look at different ways finally. Uh so the study will look at what types of energy can be used to offset the utility all utility bills in that area. One of them will be energy.

Okay. And then finally for me, um please update us on uh the homeless shelter situation. Yeah. So center, I'm sorry. The the Lotus Center had anywhere from 18 to 35 individuals, right? Probably that range.

Yeah. AT is going to come up and play cleanup for anything that I forget. Um Lotus Center's been operational now obviously for almost two weeks. We're likely going to extend it until Sunday due to the windchill. Um, from a financial standpoint, we made it through January and we had funding for eight additional days. One of our community foundations has stepped up to add four more days for us, which would give us 12 operational days in February. Uh, we have sent one invoice over to the county. Pathways, we did work with some private foundations to help Pathways get some additional dollars as well. Uh, so here's how it works. Friday. Think back to two weeks ago when we had the snowstorm. Friday, we know snow is going to happen Saturday and it's zero degrees on Friday. So then Kevin Barrett and I add additional uniformed officers and some of our nonprofits come out as well and we basically do a huge sweep of the city. We go behind dumpsters. We go down trails. We go in and around downtown North Terode, Southern Terode looking for people who have not checked in. Because what we found is if you're not checked in by day one, you're probably not going to choose to check in on day two. We then transport these individuals. If the buses aren't working, we just drive them straight to the warming center, get them checked in, get them in processed. As numbers started to get higher at the two warming centers, uh Jesse and I worked to activate a third emergency shelter which was operated by Hamilton Center in the event we hit an overflow. So, we did open up a third emergency shelter in the event that both sites maxed out and we needed to move individuals over. Uh, and then of course the temperatures kind of continued to be bad and there were snow on the ground. So, we kept things open and operational. A lot of folks stepped up from the community in terms of supplies and food. With your help and your decision to commit the full 30,000, it was very beneficial. As you know, we've seen the last few weeks that we

needed the warming centers. So, uh, our plan we feel like has gotten a lot better. The activation criteria, the boots on the ground. Um, I personally went out with one of our uniform officers, literally walking down that Fairbanks trail, flashlights, you know, sirens, just doing our best to search for individuals. Um, and we're going to continue that moving forward. So, we we made some severe changes and we're we're happy to see positive results. Um, did Hamilton Center actually end up with people in their warming center?

I don't believe they did end up holding anybody there. Um, some may have checked in just kind of like during the day, but I don't think the facility overnight. So, we got full or close to full with the other two then. Okay. And then after this recent activation, we've used 35 days total of our currently allocated funding between the city and county. And then we

Yes, Duke Energy uh did step up. Uh Stacy Todd, the Harrison Township trustee came through and stepped up as well to help us operate. Uh the United Way did make another uh another contribution. So, a lot of those foundations and those township trustees really stepped up to help us extend, you know, the program that we're running. So, did you say 39 days worth of funding is what we've got? No, no, no.

We have about right 39 and a half days plus where you've contacted the community foundation and they'll help us fund an additional 10 days. Yeah. or five five five we're getting close okay that's what I'm really trying to get to we feel comfortable for February but if it if that little rodent Phil and this winter prediction comes true March could be a harder conversation we'll make it work but if I come and ask for cleanup funds it's because I said hey we're going to spend money on warming shelters I apologize I didn't get it passed yet and I'll come back to you that's the short answer.

Thank you for the update. If there's anything else that at or anybody wants or Jesse wants to add, I I'm sure we'd appreciate it.

I mean, I think Councilman Nation, um, if we want to talk about some numbers, sorry, Jesse Tohill, director of public works. Um, I think maybe the the highest nights of utilization, there was probably close to 90. Um, and that wouldn't include who would have been at the Bridge Church. Um, I think they typically just reaching out to them. and they said they usually have around 20 or so. So, between all the warming uh centers that were available on some of those coldest nights, we had about 100 people being being sheltered during those nights. So, we're we're pretty happy about having those options available. Thank you, Jesse.

I need to add one note. Um [clears throat] one note to add winter storm at large, federal government and state government did declare the the natural emergency declaration. So, we did submit the state forms showing how much we spent over that four to five day period, hoping to recoup some of that. That answer between wastewater, parks, cemetery, street department, police overtime, and fire overtime to help with some of those, you know, searching patrols was $33,000. Uh, so each inch of snow translates to about $30,000 uh is a cost. So, we as a county, I think, submitted 625ish total. Uh, and the threshold's usually 500. So, we're holding out hoping that the the state does reimburse some of that.

Thank you. I yield. Anybody else? Yes, ma'am. Did we change any of our policies? I know we changed practices, but um after the the um the fatality with the homeless individual, did we change how we might interact? Can can you share that with us with someone who refuses to go to a shelter?

So, there were conversations there with the judicial branch and Amanda or Michael, if I misquote this, someone step in here. Um we basically got some clearances for to make the emergency detention process easier. uh which is where if someone's like continues to refuse, you can be like you are not in the right mental capacity to make this decision. You're coming with us. So that process has really smoothed out. Uh I know Judge Newton was very helpful in that. Uh Kevin Barrett and Jeremy Sparks have just drilled that into every officer who's on uniform who's out or who signs up for the overtime homeless detail. they all know their uh standard operating procedures.

Okay. I I just had a couple people ask me about how we were managing that differently. So, thank you. And it was more of a refresher training than like doing something new. I do want to add that because those protocols were in place before. We just made sure that everyone is is up to speed on it. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Reports from city officials. There are none. Reports from board of public works and safety. There are none. Reports from standing committees. There are none. Reports from non-standing committees. There are none. Items previously tabled.

General ordinance 13, 2025, amending city code chapter 4, article 26, designate outdoor refreshment areas. Petitioner. President Dinkle, good to see you up there. Jesse Tohill, director of public works. I believe we have requested to withdraw this ordinance. Um, I did, you know, I'm kind of here to speak to the updates on DORA and maybe try to answer any questions that the council may have uh regarding the issues that we have kind of run into. I think we um had spoke to some of those issues previously when we had brought the ordinance back uh in the fall um for a vote. Uh we you know so originally in 2024 when the ordinance was passed um we uh submitted the application to the alcoh alcohol and tobacco commission. There was a couple issues you know with that ordinance. You know, the first issue that they brought to our attention is that we submitted along with that ordinance a a map of Adora that was just truly not legible. Um, just, you know, wasn't legible. Uh we kind of was going to maybe try to work around that a little bit, but then they kind of brought up another issue uh with the language in the ordinance where there was a reference to an exhibit that did not make its way onto either the ordinance nor obviously into the application to the ATC. Um, we just kind of felt like that at that point we just had too many issues with the ordinance. Um, and too much uh, communication that we just didn't like where it was going with the ATC. We felt like this is uh, very important to downtown Teraho, very important to the establishments. um we

wanted to make sure that we sort of protected both the city's um activities in the DORA and those establishments that are participating. So, we've really kind of taken it back to uh the ground level and we're kind of just building this thing back up um just with a different sort of more focused approach to it on making sure I know uh Councilman Azar had some questions about how the engagement process went with the individual establishments. There's the consideration of even if you're not in the DORA, you could be a business, a school, um a church that would potentially be affected by operations uh within the DORA. We didn't really have a good idea what that engagement looked like either. There just wasn't a whole lot of documentation that that went along with the the first iteration of the DORA ordinance. So, we didn't feel comfortable with it. Um, we hope that you support that and we are I think we feel like we're going to bring this ordinance back before you in March. Um, and we feel like we're going to also be able to provide you with sort of like the blueprint and the game plan on how we got here, what that engagement piece uh looked like with not only those that wanted to participate in the door, but those that will be affected by it. And just yeah, just with the assurance that we're just trying to look out for everybody's best interest. Was that does that sound right, Mike? In

exactly in March. Any questions from the council? That's public comment first. Do public. Is there anybody from the public who wishes to comment on general ordinance 13205? Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Council, I just just one while you're considering the uh new d ordinance, draft, whatever it is, you may want to consider what we do during special events. That was that was a topic that we specifically talking about home country to be honest. Right. For sure.

What we don't want to do is confuse businesses on when they can do when they can't do. And that's why we talked about the hours and trying to make them, you know, this is the hours other than maybe a special event. So, just when you're rewriting that and uh again, I would uh love for some of us, all of us, whoever to be involved in some of that. Okay. Especially those of us that do have a downtown business that'll be affected by that.

We're certainly looking to simplify the hours. Okay. Um make those very straightforward, easy to understand. Um I did speak with the downtown Terote and chamber um Wednesday morning. Kind of gave them an update on where we were. They still seemed positive. We still uh you know we reassured them that DORA is still our focus. Um we just want to make sure that everybody um enjoying the DORA operating in in that Dora um is is yeah is above board and that we're doing right by them. Have you at any point in time uh looked at like I I know my my children live in Zansville and they have the DORA. Have you looked at their ordinance possibly to

Yes, absolutely. And we're and we're trying to just uh sort of mirror more of what we've seen in other municipalities. Good. I think it's great. And I think to withdraw it at this point is is a good idea so that at least it'll be right and we won't have to keep redoing it. So, no, I appreciate that. I yield. Anybody else? Council President.

So, just so that I understand what's being proposed, we passed legislation establishing the DORA and then you brought another piece of legislation which is in front of us now which would amend the DORA. Is that correct?

I'd say that's correct. And what you're asking us to do is withdraw the amendment and the original piece of legislation stays intact. We have a DORA ordinance on the books. The question after this vote, the question is how you come how how you amend it when you bring it back. Is that

I would say that you're absolutely correct there. Just trying to make it clear that you're not asking to you're not asking us to do away with the work that's been done to date. You're just asking for a second crack at amending it. Correct. Thank you. I yield. Other comments entertain a motion. Mr. President Council President Nation if there's no further discussion I move for withdrawal of general ordinance number 13 2025 second.

It's been moved by council person Nation seconded by council person Azar that we withdraw general ordinance 13 2025. All in favor say I. I. Oppose say nay. General ordinance 13 20225 is withdrawn. Next item of business, resolution 1, 2026, authorizing the submission of the 2026 annual consolidated plan. Commissioner,

Mr. President, members of the council, my name is Phil Kesser. I'm with the Department of Redevelopment. Before you is a resolution to continue to pursue federal HUD grants so that we can revitalize and enhance our community. Be glad to answer any questions. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on resolution 1226? Council President. Council person Azar. No questions. I move to adopt resolution 1226. Second.

It's been moved by council person Azar, seconded by council person Bolan that we approve resolution 1226. All in favor say I. Post say nay. Resolution 1, 2026 is adopted. Thank you, Bill. Next item of business.

Um, appointment to the Human Relation Commission uh for the vacancy. You should have applications in front of you from three individuals. I'm looking for my copies. Uh, Lillian Chu, uh, Lucy Campbell, excuse me, and Britney Harrison. As a reminder, uh the president will open the floor for nominations. Uh council member can nominate one individual. They do not need to second. They cannot nominate more than one. And if there's more than one um nominated, we can take a ballot vote.

This time I open the floor for nominations for the appointment to the human relations committee. Council person Debon. I will nominate uh Lillian Chu to that position. Further nominations. Council person Henson. I nominate Lucy Kim.

Further nominations. Okay. Hearing none, I'm going to close the floor for nominations. We've had two nominations, Lucy Campbell and Lillian Shu. This time we'll have a ballot. That's what I do.

Okay. Hello. Yep. You got to bring that up. Yeah,

you are. Bring it back. Yes,

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got some hanging tabs or something. [laughter] Timely records. 2001 flashback. This one's called

Council Person Thompson. Lucy Campbell, council person. Um, Todd Nation was Lillian Chu. Council person Cheryl Loudermilk is Lucy Campbell. Council person Candace Hinton is Lucy Campbell. Council Person Curtis Ston is Lillian Chu. Council Person James Chalos, Lucy Campbell, Council Person Tammy Bowen, Lillian Chu, uh, Council Person George Azar, Lucy Campbell, Council President Dingle, Campbell, uh, Lucy Campbell.

So, Michelle, correct me if I'm wrong. I have six votes for Lucy Campbell, three for Lillian Chu. Yes. Okay. With that, uh, Lucy Campbell will be our appointment to the human relations commission. Mr. President, Council Person Chlo,

really quick. I had brought this up to you earlier today, called you and I in this process. I I understand we're not the um Senate and we're not confirming people, but it sure be nice to maybe change our rules to where we could bring these people in 30 minutes before a meeting on a special call or something and interview them because almost every one of these, I'm not talking about these people here. I'm talking about every all of our positions. I mean, they all look about the same on paper, right? Their education, their name, all that information, but it'd be nice to be able to talk to them. Um, and some of these folks don't even reach out. So, if they don't show up, they're not even interested, I would I would say. So, it'd be nice to at least I just want to feel the council. I don't know what they thought about doing something like that. And I think we had also discussed last year about changing the application forms um to give more opportunity for applicants to give us more information about you know their education

um just their basic background. Um so I'd like to see that expanded as well. I agree. I think both would be great.

Earli uh Mr. President uh council person uh Bolan brought up a good point. uh council person Earl Elliott was president when uh we informally began this process and each year we try and make changes happy to make any [clears throat] I originally um created the forms they can be modified it's something I have access to and we can change the application forms to state that they agree to attend a council meeting um uh but that we would have to be very specific on our dates you know, and everything that, for example, on this one, they could have came to tonight's meeting and you could either vote tonight or you could vote next week.

So, it's all flexible on that.

When Council Person Chaos and I talked on the phone today, and I thought about a little bit, I wondered if when we announce a vacancy, we select when we're going to open and close, we could say, and candidates or applicants are invited to appear at 5:30 at this date. It's not necessarily a requirement, but it would certainly help us because I know through the years as I've tried to review these. Um, it can be really difficult to get a good picture of these people just from the words on the page. Fortunately, a lot of people will reach out to us and we can have a conversation with them. Um, but that certainly wasn't the case here and it it was difficult to uh to really see what they could bring bring to this commission. So, I would be open to adjusting our process. Sure. I think we're all in business and I've interviewed a lot of people, but I've never hired anybody just because of a sheet of paper.

Yeah, it's good. I'm happy to meet um we can set up some times and I can show you the application forms and uh and then we can work on amending the rules. That'd be great. Anything else? Move to quickly adjourn. Second. It's been moved by council person Azar. Seconded by council person ladder move that we adjourn. All those in favor say I. I. Those nay. Car city council stands adjourn. Thank you. What's going on? Is there a basketball game? No. He's got chicken. Now Todd, you say that but there is a basketball. There is. He's got one playing field. The number one team. Number one team.