City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call the City Council meeting for the City of Temple City to order on July 21st, 2026. Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Chavez? Here. Council Member Sternquist? Here. Council Member Yu? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Chen? Here. Mayor Mann?

Here, so just a regular announcement. Our council meetings are being conducted in a hybrid format with both in-person and remote participation available. All the instructions on how to join us remotely are available on the posted agenda. So to begin the evening, we have our invocation from Pastor Kelty of Community of Christ Church. They are located at 5851 Temple City Boulevard, where services are held on Sunday mornings at 1030 AM. Please rise for the invocation, and please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our heavenly creator, who is source of all things good, We, a few of your children, would come into your presence today to ask that this council be open to your spirit. And it would allow them to be open to their minds to that spirit and for them to be able to bring those things that make this a city for the future. Indeed, a city with a bright future. We would pray also for their staff, that they too might have the wisdom to do their individual tasks with the diligence that will allow that both council and other staff members to work in harmony one with another, thus making this city a place to be proud of. And too, for all here gathered in this audience, they may through their individual and corporate efforts leave this city a better place for future generations. May we do all our part to build this better city for now, in the future, for future generations. This we say in closing, amen. Amen.

I'd like to ask our city manager to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Tonight, we do not have any ceremonial matters, so we will be moving on to item six of the agenda, public comments on items not listed on the agenda. Members of the public attending will be called on to speak first, followed by our virtual participants. First, we do have several speaker request forms. So when I call your name, please come to the podium. And just for a matter of decorum, we do allow three minutes for public comment. So we ask that you respect that time. First person is Kazuko Yamaguchi. Yes.

Yes.

We need three minutes?

Yes, please. Yeah, but if you need more time to wrap up, we could be flexible. We just don't want to dominate the public comment.

I go real quick. This is Kazuko Yamaguchi. I live in north of Live Oak Park. and then end of the Greek month, next to the tennis court. I live in since 1981. And then what I was talking is about pickleball noise. You know, recently, summertime, I opened up the window and then always the sounds wake me up, 6.30. constant, and then I was kind of, you know, like the sounds is more and more, so I called, I emailed to the Mr. Matsumoto and then Brian Cook about those noise, and then she say, I just wanna have a quiet time about seven o'clock. So but they say just 7 o'clock, just something email to me, some noise or something like that. But I heard that this is like a city code just about regulation, the excess noise or something like that. And then just the noise. any loud, something like a disagreeable sounds. You know, one day, one guy was had a ball with a rubber band and touch with a pedal and they say, hit it. That's in the five minutes in the morning. That's really annoying. That, to me, is not comfortable. And then one day, I was up 620, very loud pickleball noise. I went outside, I talked to the couple. You know, you're gonna wake up all the neighbor. And then guy said, oh, I'm sorry. But the lady said, she start arguing to me. This is a public court. And then I was so shocked because no nonsense, no common sense over there. And then I have to leave. I was kind of very reasonable person to be a nice old player. And then I don't mind that tennis court is open at 6.15. Those noise, I play tennis too. Those noise, I don't. argue or anything because tennis is a one ball in one court four people playing it takes about five seconds or seven seconds and going there but pickleball four court in one tennis court and then four player they just hitting the ball with a plastic one and then flat pedal the sound is like This all constant from 6.30 until dark, and sometimes the summertime, you know, like it's so noisy, and then some people, they use a, what's a, what's a, BBL noise, something like a very loud make noise, something like a soccer field with make a very big noise. I cannot pronounce that form. V-U-V-U, something like that. It's something like a noise. I just don't want to hear. So, you know, like Mr. Masumoto say, okay, I'm gonna talk to the people walking around the park, and then leave the sign, and then they had a little sign for the quiet, be minimum noise until seven o'clock, respect the neighbor.

Okay. Ms. Yamaguchi, we do have your contact information here, and we hear what you're trying to tell us. So we will follow up.

My conclusion is I don't want to hear any noise before 7 o'clock. That is the period. And then those, I had the return mail, but I feel kind of so kind of disappointed. I feel like, you know, like the city, they just... want to have good face to other people instead of the residents. I'm living long time. I pay a tax. Yes.

So Ms. Yamaguchi, I will stop you because I've allowed you almost two additional minutes. But we have your contact information. We hear your issue. So we will get back to you. OK. Thank you.

I couldn't sleep.

Thank you. Next, I'd like to call up Jeff Gordon. Thanks.

We'll keep it somewhat short and sweet, maybe a little formal.

But this is about a recurring issue of burglaries on our street. By the way, thank you, Mayor and everybody on the council, Brian and Deputy Bui. Appreciate it. You're getting a lot of support. But, you know, I'm a Temple City resident. I've been here for 20 years now, my God. But about two weeks ago, my home was burglarized. And while the financial loss was pretty significant, what really affected my family the most was the loss of the family heirloom. So there are things that are just not going to be able to be replaced. And so along with that, I think there's like a Feeling that our home, the place where we should feel the safest, has been violated, loss of safety. But, you know, I'm not here tonight looking for sympathy, and I'm not here to lay any blame. I think I'm just here to kind of throw out some ideas. I think a lot of people are increasingly getting concerned about the residential burglaries in our neighborhood, particularly. I mean, by my informal count and the informal count of some others, I mean, this marks nearly 10 burglaries on our street in the past three years. What is your street? Olema Street. That's not including the burglary at my neighbor's father-in-law's house on Longden about a year ago. I understand our count may not perfectly align with the statistics, but from our perspective, the people that live there, it doesn't really feel like a series of isolated incidents anymore. And we recognize, look, no city can eliminate crime. We get it. And we appreciate the work of the sheriffs. I really appreciate the deputy right there, came to my house. We had a long talk, spent a lot of time with us. But we believe that, you know, there are some additional practical steps that maybe we can take together. Biggest request, the obvious request, but the biggest is more visible targeted patrols in my neighborhood. I mean, especially during the hours when these crimes are most likely to occur. I mean, for people here that don't know about burglaries and these crews that run these burglaries, it's like 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. They're hitting in the daylight, and they're hitting hard. They're hitting fast. They're getting in. They're getting out. And they're good. Unfortunately, they're really good at what they do. So we feel like stepping up patrols during that time at least. We understand the resources are limited, but, you know, even an increase – law enforcement presence during those peak burglary hours we think could be a powerful deterrent and reassure residents that this issue is being controlled and addressed. And right now, I think there's some perception out there that it is not being controlled and not being addressed by some people. We also welcome continued partnership between the city, sheriff's department, of course, residents throughout the neighborhood, safety meetings, crime prevention, education, regular communication about burglary trends so we all can do our part to protect the community. And I'd actually mean this, this sounds a little syrupy, but like one thing this experience has shown me is that our neighborhood really cares deeply about one another. Um, our residents have been sharing information, watching out for suspicious activity and supporting each other when we, we, we definitely stand ready to be a part of the solution. Um, you know, Phil rack is here. Who's the head of San Marino security. Uh, he's on the street. He's been incredibly supportive and has been helping a lot of the residents over the years. Well, at the end of the day, we all want one thing, and that's we just want our neighborhoods and families to feel safe in their own homes. So I hope we can continue working together. Ultimately, we want to make Temple City a place where the criminals know they're more likely to be seen, reported, and get caught. Thanks for your time.

Okay. Thank you.

And I believe we have your contact information. If we don't, we will follow up with you to maintain contact.

That would be great. Mayor, we do have the public safety meeting next week. So would you want to mention that?

Yes. Actually, that's a great idea. If you're not aware, the last Wednesday of every month, we have a special meeting at 7 AM that's dedicated specifically to this topic. And so we welcome your participation in that. And if you're... Absolutely, I'm there. Okay.

Next Wednesday, 7 a.m. Yeah.

7 a.m. Right. Yeah, right in the community room.

Right next door.

We have breakfast for you.

Oh, right here? Oh, it's right here.

Yeah, we changed the location. So I will allow people to make public comments, even if you hadn't submitted a request card. But what we do ask is, if there are others that want to address the council at this moment, now is the time to do so. And if you would like to come up to the podium, we ask that after you speak, if you could fill out a speaker request form with our city clerk.

Yeah. I was up most of the night. I'm wiped out, so if I don't sound a little bit intercoherent, yeah. That's an outstanding deputy you have there. Kudos for what he's done for at least our block, and I know he's done it for other cities, too.

Excuse me, could you state your name for the record, please? I'm sorry.

My name is Phil Rockey, R-A-A-C-K-E. Okay, thank you. And I'm on 97479 Oliva Street, Temple City. We've had interfacing with the deputy, and he's been amazing. And I know this from, because my background also, because my background is law enforcement. I've been a police sergeant in the city of San Bernardino 14 years. I am retired, but you get to see when deputies really are concerned about what they do and about the neighborhood and what their job, he's outstanding. The burglar rates, that's going to happen. And unfortunately, it keeps my business really busy as a result of it. So I'm busy for the wrong reasons. And I get that. I don't want to go out. Half the calls I go out on afterwards for estimates are after the fact. I wish people would have more security systems.

I'm sorry, what is your business?

I own San Marino Security Systems.

Oh, okay. I thought you were San Marino.

No, I'm retired from San Marino. I'm retired San Marino Police. San Marino Police. Retired from the police department, and then I started this. But now you run San Marino. Yeah, I started San Marino Security. Oh, okay. I'm sorry if I didn't get that. No, that's okay. I just wanted to get clear. I'm just a little off. A lot of San Marino. But at any rate... I have personally put out cameras on my property that actually record every single license plate that goes up and down our street. I have a license plate reader on it, too. Unfortunately, he says we can't pipe it into the sheriff's department. There's some issues with that. But if anything ever happens on Olema, Keep in mind, we record for about 60 days of every single car that goes up and down our street. In the incident that just happened here, we were able to pull out the license number of the vehicle that committed the burglary there with a nice clear shot of it. And apparently, I don't think, The plates were stolen. I don't know what the follow-up is on it, but you would know. Hopefully the sheriffs can do something with that. So it's out there, and we're trying to do what we can for at least our block, and if it helps, great. Speaking about cameras, I heard at one time other cities are considering getting rid of the flock cameras. Worst decision you will ever make if you decide to get rid of flock cameras. From a law enforcement standpoint, at least with my department, you're invaluable. Don't ever get rid of them. I mean, you're doing yourself such an injustice. It's a great tool for the police department and other agencies. Granted, there are some stories out there that they've been misused in some cases. Unfortunately, that's going to happen with anything that you do. There might be some use or misuse. Hopefully, those situations are being addressed and those individuals are being fired, terminated, or whatever the case is. But overall, don't get rid of your flux. Actually, put more of them. They're a great tool for law enforcement. That's pretty much all I have to say. Any questions at all?

Oh, we won't be asking questions at this time, but we appreciate your comment. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Thank you so much, sir.

Okay. Is there anyone else who would like to address the city council at this time? Okay. Seeing none, I would like to ask our city clerk if there are any callers or virtual participants who want to speak.

There are none, sir.

Okay, thank you. Then with that, I will close public comments and we move on to our next item, consent calendar. All consent calendar items may be approved in a single motion unless council wishes to pull any items for discussion. And before we make a motion, I do want to check if there are any virtual speakers on this item.

There are none, Mayor.

Okay, may I have a motion for the consent calendar?

Mr. Mayor, I move to approve items A through F for recommendations. Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Roll call vote, please.

Council Member Chavez? Yes. Council Member Sternquist? Yes. Council Member Yu? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Chen? Yes. Mayor Mai?

Yes. Next, we move on to item 8A, Animal Control Ordinance Amendments for Potentially Dangerous and Vicious Dogs. City Manager Brian Cook.

Thank you, Mayor Mann and members of the council. The first reading was brought forward to you at the last meeting, and we had a very robust discussion about that. This is the follow-up and the second reading, which would then, if passed tonight, would be in effect 30 days from now. So with that, I'll just, okay, Mayor Mann, I'll just hand it over to Community Development Director Mr. Reimers just for a recap. Any other follow-up questions? Sorry, I'm moving slow tonight.

All right, Director Remus.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council. Before you tonight is the public hearing. So because we're proposing to adopt this by reference, typically we would have the public hearing first. And then we would follow it up by the ordinance on second reading. Because we're adopting it by reference, it's backwards this time. So you've already had one presentation, but now is the official public hearing. So if it pleases you, I'll just go ahead and move forward with the presentation. Because this is the public hearing, Nicole Bresciani is here from Inland Valley Humane Society. So if you have questions, she can speak to those. So the recommendation tonight is to hold the hearing, waive further reading, and then adopt the ordinance. In terms of background for you and the public, we last did a major revamp of the animal control ordinance back in 2012, and then there was some minor rule changes that occurred back in 2022. The L.A. County, for the most part, we adopt the L.A. County Code by reference. That's Title 10. But for some reason, when the council adopted it back then, they did not include the rules about potentially dangerous dogs and vicious dogs. And so now we're proposing to come back and to add that back into the ordinance so that when we do have these issues, that there's a very clear process for the public and for staff to follow. So there is, within the code, a very clear distinction between the difference between a potentially dangerous dog and a vicious dog. And a potentially dangerous dog is a dog that, when unprovoked, bites a person or causes someone to take a defensive action or attacks a domestic animal under some certain conditions. The vicious dog is the dog that's worse. So potentially dangerous is like tier one. Vicious is tier two. That's the dog when unprovoked causes a severe injury. And that is defined in Title 10 or even death to a person. Or it can be an animal previously found to be potentially dangerous and continues to behave in the way that we're trying to address and still poses that threat. So where do these cases come from? Typically, these result from a complaint. Somebody calls us and tells us there's an animal out there that's potentially dangerous or is causing them to feel threatened. Or we get a report that someone has been bitten by a dog. In those cases, what happens is that we refer the case to the Humane Society. And they have their animal control officers come out and investigate the action. They'll talk to witnesses. They will write a report. They will look at the site of where the dog is kept. And if the facts support it, they will move forward the case to a hearing. Now, the hearing is done. You have kind of two options. You can go through, take it straight to Superior Court, or you can set up a neutral third party hearing officer that occurs before it goes to Superior Court. So that's what we're proposing tonight, is that we would establish a neutral third party hearing officer, so somebody from staff, somebody who's a third party. That hearing officer would take testimony. So they basically set up like a courtroom where they would invite the victim or the complainant, the dog owner, the animal control officer, all to provide testimony about what happened, what they've witnessed, and the evidence. They take all that evidence in, and then they make a decision about whether that animal should be considered potentially dangerous or vicious. Now, the nice thing about that is that then if somebody is unhappy about the result, then they can appeal that to superior court. And then the court can look at it from another perspective. The appeal process is not to city council or to a city commission or to a city staff member. So what often happens if a hearing officer finds that a dog is potentially dangerous or vicious is that they can order some conditions on the keeping of the animal. They can require amendments to how the fence on the site is. They can require it. taller fence, they can require that the fence be covered on top as well. They can require warning signs, they can require additional insurance, or leashing requirements, additional training, or require the dog to be muzzled any time that it leaves the property. And then the code also allows them to add any additional conditions onto the keeping of the animal. So the reason why staff is recommending that we adopt the county code by reference is because that's already kind of our process. We would already know where to look. We already adopt the county code for reference from animal control ordinances. And that's basically the state of best practice out there right now. It's what San Gabriel does. It's what Rosemead does and El Monte does. And so that will also help Inland Valley Humane Society and in performing their enforcement actions, if they can just address, know that we fall under Title 10, so they'll know how to handle the situation. So with that, again, the recommendation is to conduct the public hearing, hold the second reading by title only, wait for the reading, and then adopt the ordinance. I'm available if you have any questions, and so is Nicole Bresciani.

All right, thank you. Any questions from council, starting with Council Member Sternquist? Council Member Chavez?

I think I asked this last time, but where is this hearing officer going to come from? Do we have a plan already in effect?

Yes. So the other time that we do hearing officer meetings is through code enforcement. So if somebody wants to appeal a citation, we have a third party representative through the data ticket that can provide that service. And then the Humane Society as well has third party hearing officers that really specialize in animal control issues.

I'm not sure you really answered the question. So is it going to be this ticket or is it going to be?

It would be the third party pointed out by Inland Valley Humane Society.

I think that would be a better choice if they have more experience in those types of things. Yes, sir. Okay, good. I'm sorry.

In fact, that's who we used last time we had to perform this.

That makes sense. Okay, good. Thank you. Any other questions? No.

Council Member Yu.

Thank you, Mayor. My only question is, after the hearing officer's hearing, can the case still be appealed to the Superior Court?

Yes, so the next step in the appeal process would be for them to appeal it to Superior Court. They receive a letter that tells them how to go through that process.

So the current, what we're proposing is codified so that it will go to hearing officer first, and then so. It's not like they have a choice to go to Superior Court. Right. It must go through hearing first, right? Right.

Yeah, and if I may, one of the benefits of any of our city partners having a hearing process is that typically through that process, number one, it's less costly than going straight to Superior Court. It's also more timely. You can usually get a determination quicker, and we as the Humane Society, as your partner in contracting services, can enter into stipulated orders with the dog owner. So let's say that... We know that there's all these conditions. We can get them to stipulate potentially dangerous. We can get them to do all the conditions without going through the lengthy, protracted, and costly process of court and having lawyers and judges involved.

Thank you.

I have a follow-up question. Sure. What is the general cost for such a hearing, and who pays for that?

So the cost is burdened by the dog owner, and they understand that going into it, and so it's actual cost. Sometimes the administrator, because we have really good partners, throughout other jurisdictions for their animal control experts. A lot of times, we just trade services, so we're not charging each other to do them. But they're also independent. Now, I've had a hearing that lasted two full solid days over time, and then there were actual costs that came out of that. So it could be a couple hundred bucks. It could be a couple thousand dollars, depending upon how long it lasts. Yeah, if you go before an administrative judge that does this on the side, it can be much, much more costly.

And if they win the case, do they still have to pay?

No, typically what happens is like when we have a case that if there is no findings. So in the case that we had, we had an issue with the code. And so we did not bill them for food and care. So we will waive certain fees that are within our rights to do so. And the administrative hearing officer did not charge us for that time as well. So the person lucked out on one end.

Thank you. Any other questions, Council Member Reid?

Just one last thing. So if you receive a complaint, do you typically remove the animal until the hearing, or is this done?

No, so we have a couple options. So depending upon how we find the animal, so if the disposition is that we get a call for a vicious bite, I'll say vicious because it's usually how it's reported, but a significant bite. If we find the animal running at large, then under public safety, we can go ahead and seize that animal. Now, if the animal is already behind closed doors, they have the potential to keep the animal safe. It really is a case-by-case basis. But sometimes, especially if there is a human bite involved, the person does not usually want to hold onto the dog because they're afraid of something else happening. But sometimes they do. And if they do, and they can secure it properly, and we're OK with that. If it really is rising to the level of what we consider vicious, a really bad bite, bad to the face, multiple bite wounds, depending upon the severity, we will advise them that that's probably not in the best interest. And so it really is case by case. Yes.

Thank you.

Mayor Potemkin.

No questions.

My question is, who determines the category of between potentially dangerous to vicious? Is that your, the Humane Society makes that call?

No, typically what happens is, well, yes and no. So it's codified in the state of how it's outlined, as Mr. Reimer already mentioned, about how potentially dangerous and vicious. So it depends on the severity of the bite. It depends on how many bites. So the way the state reads is that there's a certain number so many times within a certain period. And I think it's, and I don't have it off the top of my head, but I want to say it's like 36 months. Then it rises to the level of vicious. So, and again, it depends on the severity. If you have somebody that is, if you have a dog that's disfigured somebody, it rises right to the level of vicious. Now, we don't get to make that determination. We get to file according to those designations. So we will make the recommendation based on video photos. We go to the hospital. We take statements. So we do the full investigation. Then we present that information to the city attorney. And the city attorney will determine how they want to file. And then we get the administrative review officer involved. And then that's how we proceed typically in these cases.

Okay, that makes sense. And my last question is, in terms of the frequency of these cases happening in your recent experience, how often do you see? All the time. All the time?

We're handling administrative hearings or notifying the owner that the bite is so egregious that we would recommend that they take precaution. If it's a first-time bite incident, it's kind of like a get-out-of-jail-free card, right? You have a one-time bite incident. It's not severe. you've acknowledged they can do the 10 day quarantine on their property or we quarantine onsite and they pay for that at our shelter. But yes, unfortunately we are seeing a rise And this happens because you get dogs that are not socialized. They're not trained appropriately. Everybody that was getting dogs during COVID and then didn't want to train accordingly, this is what happens. And so we're seeing a lot of dogs being, people are reaching out to us wanting to relinquish dogs for behavior reasons. And there are a lot of veterinarians that refuse to do behavioral euthanasia especially on a one- to two-year-old dog. I mean, that's just not something they're interested in doing. And we can't force a private vet to do that. So unfortunately, that's where we're at. So yeah, we actually do see these regularly, unfortunately.

Mayor, if I may, in my six years of overseeing animal control, we've had three cases. So just to be clear, Inland Valley serves a large population of people, large geographic area. For us, we might have a case maybe every other year.

Okay. An important distinction. But I appreciate the perspective. Because at least it gives us some insight as to what you have to deal with in your work. Because I think when we hear the statistic representing our city, we kind of presume that that's the same experience that you're seeing at large.

Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, we're servicing almost three-quarters of a million people. So, you know, when you take that into perspective, of course, the frequency will increase, right?

Fair enough. Okay. Thank you. At this time, this is a public hearing, so I would like to see if there's anyone from the audience who wishes to address council on this particular item. Seeing none from the audience, I want to check with our... Would you like to speak? Please come to the podium. Well, it's a public hearing and we're broadcast virtually, that's why we... And it's recorded, so we do require you to... If you could state your name again.

Yeah, Jeff Gordon. I'm just curious why the people that purchase animals that are sort of aggressive from the factory, cane corsos and rottweilers and such, why are they not required to get a license and put through some kind of a training class? I mean, it's like having a loaded weapon. having these animals right but it seems like anybody can get anything and then the consequences happen later you guys have to deal with it i'm curious i've always been curious about that

you can answer that question all right well thank you for the question but um in terms of the public comment that's not exactly how it works okay yeah but we will take that as part of the comment and council can ask that question as well all right sounds good thank you madam city clerk are there any virtual speakers for this item there are none mayor okay With that, I will close the public comment, and we will go to final council questions and comments. Council Member Sterquist.

I don't have any. I just thank you for the work that you do.

Council Member Chavez. Can you speak further? Council Member Yu.

Can I speak further?

Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem. Nothing. OK. And I don't have anything further. I do appreciate the answers and you sharing your perspective as to how Humane Society serves our city and our constituents. And thank you to Director Remers for the presentation. It is something that I think as residents, being a former dog owner myself, there are some services we kind of just take for granted or we know it exists, but then it never pops into mind until there's a need for it. So it's always good to get a refresher as to what kind of happens behind the scenes, what are some of the issues that we have to deal with. So I appreciate it. Okay, with that, may I have a motion for this item?

I'll make a motion to... Hold on. to waive further reading and adopt ordinance number 26-1089, amending chapter six of title three of the Temple City Municipal Code to revise the city's adoption by reference of title 10 of the Los Angeles County Code relating to animal control, including chapter 10-37, potentially dangerous and vicious dogs, and to clarify animal control enforcement and administrative citation authority.

Second.

We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, roll call vote please.

Council Member Chavez? Yes. Council Member Sternquist? Yes. Council Member Yu? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Chen? Yes. Mayor Mann?

Yes.

And I believe we did the reading last time, so I won't have to ask you to read it again. Okay, I always get that wrong sometimes. Anyway, we move on to our next item, unfinished business, none, new business, we also have none. We move to an update from our city manager.

Thank you, Mayor Mann and members of the council. Let me thank Nicole again. She's the CEO of Inland Valley and Humane Society. We are having another... spay and neuter clinic at Primrose Park, outside of Primrose Park, not inside Primrose Park, just outside of Primrose Park, next month as well. So thank you for them bringing their mobile clinic to provide that service to our community in an accessible and a cost-effective and affordable manner. So thank you to them. They've been a great partner. The transition has been working extremely well. So thank you for them and their services. To the public comments that came up tonight, Ms. Yamaguchi, yes, we've been in correspondence with Ms. Yamaguchi. We are looking at some physical improvements that are not costly, but are some physical improvements two in and around the pickleball courts that may be able to assist with the noise and deadening the noise in parts. And then making sure too, that we are also abiding by the rules and the participants that are, are, are enjoying the wonderful pickleball courts that we do have that are enjoying are enjoying them according to the rules as well.

Brian, are those gates open at seven?

They're open at 6.30. So it's kind of dawn to dusk. But we're looking at some potential possible adjustments to that as well, considering when dawn to dusk is during during the year, so that's one tweak we may be looking at. But in the meantime, though, we are going to look at some, it's almost like padding that you can put in and around part. You don't want to enclose it completely, but you want to put it in and around the pickleball court that hopefully will at least deaden part of the noise that comes from the pickleball courts before it kind of bounces out of the pickleball court area. So we're jumping on that too.

Have we seen that being used elsewhere?

Yeah, so that's what staff is looking at now. A couple of our surrounding cities have been using those kind of mats. I'm sure there's a technical term for it, but I describe it as mats.

It's like soundproofing they use.

I wouldn't call it soundproofing.

Well, it's sound attenuation. Their vices, yeah.

Councilmember Hughes got a better word for it than me. So we're looking at those measures to see if that can help, but also to working, and people are very enthusiastic about Pickleball, as you all know, and just trying to work with that community as well to see what we can do.

And you mentioned dawn to dusk. So right now, in the summer season, we could probably see that range of use being a lot longer than the winter season. Exactly.

I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Is that what our ordinance says, dawn to dusk? It says something to that effect.

But I don't think it says that. And also, we don't allow leaf blowers before seven o'clock. We don't allow contractors banging on new things before seven o'clock. Why do we allow pickleball players to be playing pickleball in a neighborhood before seven o'clock?

That would be my question. So municipal, under the code, municipal facilities have an exemption from the noise code as well. So that's one of the, and so the operating hours of the park can differ from that noise ordinance per se. So that's something we're going to look into too.

Well, I definitely would, because I don't think Mrs. Yamaguchi's ask is that big a deal. She just wants somebody not to play there before 7 o'clock, which I think is... very reasonable. In fact, I remember a few months ago we had somebody in the audience asking us not to blow down the parking lot before seven o'clock and right away we said, okay, that sounds good and we went to it.

Why can't we do that here?

If I can take the opportunity to take a look at the code and then come back and then we'll come back and revisit that and see how that operates.

And then also, let me just... I was at the park a number of evenings in the last couple of weeks because of the Little League tournaments. And I can tell you that our staff is not enforcing this dusk. whatever that may mean, because it was dark out, and there were people still playing on the pickleball courts, and they were still open. So my question also would be not only when are they opening it, but when are they closing it? Okay, and it doesn't seem like there's anybody down there from staff, at least on the few nights I was there, I never noticed it, and there were a lot of people playing pickleball long after it turned dark. So I think... I think the staff needs to really take a hard look at this and tighten it up a little bit. Tighten it up a lot, I think.

So my question, actually, when you say we'll look at it, Mr. Cook, would that be bringing this matter back to the Parks and Rec Commission? Because I think that a topic such as this is going to generate a lot of public interest. to be support decisions made that there's a chance to hear some public input.

Sure, and that will, so what we'll do is we will review one more time what our municipal code allows for. What we're doing as Council Member Chavez is just to mention what maybe we're not doing or what we need to tighten up on in terms of enforcement. And then if there's any changes beyond those things or, and making sure that the participants at the facilities in the neighborhood have proper notice as well for that, for sure. And then if there's any changes beyond that scope or any other tweaks that we need to make, we'll bring that before the commission as well.

Can we have a timeline for this?

I will bring that back to the commission. Well, excuse me, staff will bring that back to the commission at their next meeting. Do we know when their next meeting is? Their next meeting is, I believe, in three weeks.

I think it says on our agenda. Well, I mean...

Our next council meeting.

Oh, sorry, 19th. No, three weeks, yes. So if I may, Mayor.

So if we're going to bring it back to the commission, Park and Rec Commission. I could give you an update at the next council meeting. So perhaps the neighbors should be notified because they're the ones that probably have more of an interest in it.

Yes, so what, again, what we'll do is look at what our practices have been, what is stipulated in the municipal code and any other administrative regulations, see how that has been either adhered to or not adhered to, and then make sure we're communicating with both the neighbors and the pickleball participants as well.

If I may, Mr. Mayor. Well, thanks to artificial intelligence, I'm able to look it up really quickly. Looks like quiet time, and according to our municipal code, as well as our contract with our service providers, 7 a.m. does seem to be the line that is drawn with regards to... noise, and that's what the public speaker brought up, our own municipal code. So I think it's reasonable to go ahead administratively do not unlock the facility until 7 a.m. until we can visit this issue in a more public format I mean there may be no issue there may be no issue from the pickleballers you know if we just simply make that administrative change to 7 a.m. so that we don't have to keep visiting this issue. I think it's it's a reasonable request. And that could be done administratively without having to revisit this issue again and again.

So at this point, we're going into, we've heard from the council members heard from the city manager on what his plan is. If we continue discussing, we're really getting into making it into an agenda item. So I do need to ask that we Let him bring it back to you in two weeks, either as another update, city manager update, or as a discussion item, depending on what he finds in the interim. And certainly, I know he's heard you and will take action as is needed.

And just one last point on Councilmember Chen's point. I really don't see the need to send this back to the Parks and Rec. That's gonna take a few weeks and then from there it's gonna come back to us and we're already six, eight weeks down the road of continued behavior. So I like the fact that let us make that decision. It's already been brought to us and certainly we have the right to do that.

Yeah, so I will say I'm pretty sure our city manager hears this pretty loud and clear. And he will bring this back to us on the next meeting, if not even before he communicates with us frequently. So please keep us in the loop as to what to find.

All right, is there anything else?

And then just last, the comments regarding the burglaries in and around Loma and south of Temple City High School. Yes, we are aware there are more patrols that we are doing, but we're seeing what we can actively do in the area. In addition, while we can't speak to the one specific case that was mentioned where there were photos found, because that is still an active investigation, um we are actively working that and our detectives are actively working that area as well um we were trying to find as as we did report out publicly once the arrests were made for burglaries that were happening in and around the la rosa elementary school area we're trying to define if these are crews what the connections are what connections are if there are any but again um again major crimes and other entities within LA County Sheriff's Department will be working and are actively working these crimes as well and appreciate the diligence of the community in and around the Loma area and communicating us and continue, please continue to communicate with us and I know Deputy Bui has been out actively working the area, but just please continue to communicate with us as you have been. So communication is always key for any of these, if it's a pickleball, crime, whatever it is, that's what we're here to do. We're here to hear and we're gonna try to act and help the community in any way that we can. Thank you, Mayor.

Okay, thank you. We move on to the next item, which is an update from our city attorney.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council members probably saw this in the news, but it's been perhaps the biggest topic of conversation among city attorneys statewide. Last week, the Attorney General's Office, on behalf of the state's Department of Housing and Community Development, brought lawsuits against five separate cities regarding their housing element. or their zoning code not being updated to match their housing element. It's not a problem for Temple City in any way. Temple City at this point in time has a good relationship with the Department of Housing and Community Development and has been moving forward in a very productive and collaborative way. But it does show that the department is still watching what cities are doing and frankly keeping track of what cities are doing and is still willing to act. So with the next cycle for the housing element getting underway, Sort of the pre-planning or beginning drafting the documents will probably happen in the next year to 18 months. It'll have to start. We just want to be sure from legal's perspective, council, sort of city manager perspective that we support the community development department, be efficient in that planning and processing process. of the housing element so that not only are we making the timelines, but we're beating the timelines so that we can get quicker reviews. You may remember the last cycle, one of the problems some cities had was so many cities in our Southern California region were submitting right up near the deadlines that housing and community development taking their time in responding and then telling us we were late because, well, they hadn't responded yet, but hey, city, that's on you because you waited till the deadline. So we just really want to be careful and want to make sure that we're moving forward efficiently. The second item, we do not have an update on the litigation matter that would be our closed session. I have communicated with the council members separately on this, but I'd like Mr. Mayor to pull that from the agenda tonight. Okay, sounds good. Thank you, sir.

And thank you for that update. I do want to take the opportunity to, it's a shout out to our community development department for being on top of those matters, and always positioning us in a favorable manner when it comes to issues that are outside of our direct local control, but we still manage to be able to find I'll call it a balance between those mandates that are coming from the state as well as us. Our duty is to our residents here, so trying to uphold those very values that we hold dear to the character of Temple City. So it's always been an interesting kind of development over the years. We've seen many changes from the state, and so I appreciate you bringing that update to our attention. All right, we move on to item 13, which is council reports regarding ad hoc or standing committee meetings. Do we have any reports from council?

Mayor, I have a report on the city-based homeless planning and standing committee. Council members Turnquist and I met with staff a couple weeks ago. Since it had been up a long time since we had done anything on this, it was more or less a kind of bring us up to date on what's been going on and where we're headed. As many of you know, Measure H was established to provide funding for the homeless. Fortunately, I recall not too much of that, if anything, gets to us at this point. But the city has been working, of course, as you know, with Lakota. Of course, our agreement with Family Promise has worked out well, and so we are keeping it out there in the forefront. But there's still a lot up in the air. As many of you may know, Measure H has kind of gone in a different direction, or at least tending to go in a different direction than they were before. And the emphasis now more is on permanent housing rather than services provided by Lakota. And in fact, I believe we were told that Lakota has only one more year of funding, and I'm not sure what's gonna happen after that. So still a lot up in the air from the county and the state as to where we're gonna go with that. But we have already scheduled another meeting, or what is it? an update of where we're going and what we're doing. But, of course, working with, partnering with our dedicated team, our sheriff, we're working on those issues as well. I don't believe that, Brian, that we still have a number from our homeless county, do we? I don't think that we received that yet. No. That's at the meeting we hadn't received. Are you aware of that?

I'll have to double check, sir.

I think as of two weeks ago, we still hadn't got a number. Oh, no.

No, we haven't.

Which seems unusual. When was that account? Months ago?

It was earlier this year, and... what was LASA, now whatever the acronym name is for the organization, the methodology in which, and we discussed this with both of you, the methodology in which they use that point in time count, it's not just the amount of individuals that we see during that count. They extrapolate that provide some methodology and different formulas that kind of extract from that. So that's not necessarily the exact number. So long answer to your question is we still haven't heard back from them in terms of what they have defined as the count and temple city.

But we, felt that it was in the low teens.

Generally speaking, so yes, from what we saw that night when we did the count, we saw that in the low teens.

So at this point, we will continue working with our partners and helping the homeless and doing whatever we can to figure out what we need to do. Of course, the bigger picture is what's going to happen with those H funds and more to follow on that, so... Should have more of a report in a couple months. Okay, that's it.

Thank you. Just one last thing. We did discuss about possibly thinking a little bit ahead of when this funding goes away of how we could possibly help supplement the programs we have in place with Family Promise.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the report. Are there any other ad hoc or standing committee reports?

Okay, seeing none, I will simply note that this Thursday, Councilmember Chavez and I will be part of the city and school district standing committee meeting at 4pm. Okay, we move on to the next item, which are items separate from the regular agenda. And we will start with Councilmember Chavez.

You know, actually, the questions I had were kind of addressed already. I know that the, unfortunately, I haven't been able to attend many of the summer concerts, but according to Jerry, they're doing very well and big numbers, so that's a good thing. So thank you to staff for overseeing that. I think we have, what, four more, I think? Four more, yeah. So good job. Our... Our Australian group, our ambassadors left last Tuesday, and they're now in Australia having a good time, hopefully. And we'll see them again in probably about three weeks. So I look forward to hearing their stories. And last thing, and I know we can't really get into the detail or discuss, and Mr. Gordon, I appreciate you coming here and expressing your concern about what's going on in your neighborhood, and certainly I wish there was some words I could say to make it better, but I know that we are working on it. I just can't figure in my mind why Why Olima? That's the $64,000 question, I guess. Why Olima? That's something that I think I'll look into further when we meet with our dedicated deputies and stuff. There's got to be some reason other than just pure chance, I would imagine. I don't think things work that way normally. As has been mentioned before, we've had groups in the area before and things like that. For whatever reason, they've decided to go to Lima. We will do everything in our power, I promise you, whatever we can do, and hopefully it'll get better before it gets worse. And I'm sorry, I forgot your name from San Marino, but... Yeah, thank you for coming, too. And I was thinking, maybe you could work out a discount for the street on those... Your alarm systems, maybe, or something? I don't know.

In reality, I do all the school districts.

All right, cool. Good. Well, thank you, because that certainly is a big help, because as we always preach to our neighborhood watches, we need everybody's help. We can't be there all the time, and our sheriffs can't be there every minute, and so we need the public to help, and I think you'll agree with that, too, as well. So thank you. Well, hold on.

It's not really a question and answer right now.

We'll have another opportunity for public comment.

Yeah.

Thank you.

All right. Next, Council Member Sternquist.

I was just wondering, with the pickleball courts, is it possible to have a staff member come in at 6.30? Still, they're playing at 7, but until we bring this back and maybe the staff member can politely have communication with the pickleballers to please keep the noise... at a reasonable level. Is that something we could do for just a short period of time?

Let me follow up in the morning.

Okay. And on the mosquito and vector control issue, we have released, I don't know, something like six million, and actually somebody counts how many mosquitoes are put into these little vials that are released out in Baldwin Park, I believe, was one of the first areas, but they're male, sterile mosquitoes, and we had the presentation from the mosquito district that told us a little bit about that. So it's gonna be interesting to see how this works, but it's really the forefront of technology now.

Do you say where did they release it?

Baldwin Park area, I believe, is first.

City of Baldwin Park.

City of Baldwin Park, yes.

If you were at least near my house, because I'd be in the horror.

You know, it's interesting, because I was listening to something on the news about mosquitoes, and people, they were interviewing people, and people were saying, they love me because I have sweet blood, or I have different types of blood. And I asked the... the scientists at the mosquito district and said, is that really true that mosquitoes really like a certain type of blood? And they said, no, people have kind of just put that out there, but I don't know, maybe it's body chemistry and not so much blood type, but body chemistry. If you have perfume on or cologne, whatever that might be. But my husband has the rarest blood in the world. He has AB negative blood. and they love him. I mean, they really do, so I always thought maybe it's because he has AB negative blood, but I have O negative, and I never get bit. Knock on wood. But, and Ed is going to reach out to... the principal at Emperor to see about partnering because they have a great vector control investigator program and they were out in our city at Pacific Friends School doing a presentation. So hopefully we can get more involved and engaged with the school district and the mosquito vector control. They have a lot of really nice programs and they're free, which is great for the school district. And I think National Night Out is coming up. When is that, Brian? Is that in two weeks, Jerry? August. First Wednesday in August, I believe. So put that on your calendar. That's always a great event. And thanks to our sheriffs who partner and make that fun for everybody. And that's it.

Thank you. All right. Council Member Yu. Thank you.

Mary, nothing to add, but the only thing is to emphasize the, if you have any issue with public safety, come to our monthly meeting.

Yes.

Next one is 29th, next Wednesday at 7, right here. I think what it does is give us more of a forum to discuss things. It's not right next door. No, because of the law change we have to meet in here.

Virtual participation.

Right. That's it. Thank you, Mayor. Mayor Pro Tem Chen. yes mr mayor thank you um i want to thank mr gordon for being here and his advocacy i corresponded with him a few times and i know he has some very good ideas and we look forward to continuing looking at different ways to um i think we share the same uh concerns and we here on this council I don't know of any other city that meets monthly with its law enforcement partners in a in an entire council with the station captain and the dedicated team so I rest assured that's definitely something that we're going to be addressing Mr. Racky Phil you you're such a I know Temple City is a amazing, humble community with just amazing hidden talent. And I know your service, not only at the police department, but what you continue to do with your business, providing a very, very important service. I know there's a lot of competitors in that space, nationally, in the security, alarm business. But you bring such expertise and passion. updated technology. I think, well, it's not a plug. If anybody goes by my house, they'll know what alarm company I have. You do a fantastic job. Thank you for being there for your neighbors and lending your expertise and also with actionable intelligence that you can share in this particular case so that our sheriff's partners can have information to continue to work on. So thank you for being here. And again, to Council Member Sternquist, thank you for bringing back resources to Temple City. It was such a pleasure to see the mosquito. Well, you're our resident expert in mosquitoes, but to know that my daughter's school, Pacific Friends School, got a visit and a presentation, I thought that was really wonderful. So thank you very much. Tomorrow I'll be attending the Metro State of the Agency meeting the outgoing chair Fernando Dutra will be coming off as the chair and I believe they're gonna have a update with regards to the region's transportation issues so I'll be attending that tomorrow morning and I know we separately discussed an item regarding parking I look forward to having that coming back I attended a conference where I got some really good information regarding a presentation regarding parking as it relates to economic development. And I think this council we've met during this specific plan discussion, we had some really robust and really good conversation. And they're all pretty much in line with what that study has shown, is to look at parking more like an economics, just facilitating the flow of traffic to make sure that we are not hindering the growth of our commercial sectors because of parking requirements. So not only with that particular specific plan, I'd like to at some point visit parking, not only in our residential area, but for commercial businesses if they're being hindered in any way because of our parking requirements. I think there's more scholarly literature out there from this presentation I receive, and I'm happy to send it along to my colleagues that supports the idea that limiting the city parking requirement could spur some economic growth. Thank you.

Thank you. First, I want to thank the speakers that came out to share their concerns and issues with our council. We always joke that most of our meetings are kind of quiet because no one wants to come here and see us talk regular business. But first, Ms. Yamaguchi, thank you for taking the time out to share your concerns with us. And we know when we first discussed the pickleball issue and the prospect of converting the courts, noise was certainly at the top of... the discussion points. I remember those council meetings, and I know our Parks and Rec Commission, our staff are all aware of those issues, because we're certainly not the first city to convert to pickleball courts. So it's not like we didn't know what some of those challenges are. I do think that our parks staff, they do a fantastic job with our facilities, so I think this is a matter, seems like it's a matter of enforcement. That's the way I see it. I agree, I don't think it needs to be maybe blown into a big deal or a big issue unless there was a formal... legal ordinance related things that warranted council's attention i trust our city manager will has heard loud and clear what the issues are and that we will take steps to address it so i'm looking forward to hearing what the results of that report back is Secondly, I echo the sentiments of my colleagues regarding Mr. Gordon, Mr. Racky, and I know the other gentleman will speak when I call on the next public comment, but that's part of the collaboration that we're looking for from our residents. Contrary to what you may think, we actually do appreciate it when you come and tell us what those issues are, because the perspective that you bring is very needed and necessary because you are the experts of your own block, your own neighborhood. You know your neighbors, which is a good thing to see. In our Neighborhood Watch meetings, we always emphasize that one of the best deterrents to crime is just having neighbors that care, neighbors that look out for each other. I am lucky and blessed on my street that I know all my neighbors pretty well. Some of them are retired and maybe spend more time at home than I do. So an example is I don't think I've had a package theft, because I've always been able to have someone to help me with that. Burglary certainly is a very sensitive and touchy issue, as I think, I don't want to speak for all of us, if you've been a victim of a burglary in your own home, it is a traumatic experience. It leaves you with a sense of, why is my sanctuary violated by someone who is here to just wreck the peace that I seek in my home? So I echo Mayor Pro Tem Chen's sentiments that that has always been a paramount priority for this council. We also understand that there are limitations to what our law enforcement partners are due, but we do recognize that they are doing everything they can in their power. If you look at the history of kind of how law enforcement and our approach to law enforcement has evolved over the last couple of years, especially in response to state laws and things that may have hampered our ability to enforce and regulate crime in the way that we may want to at a local level. That's been quite a journey, looking eight to 10 years back to now. As a council, I am proud to say that in our recent budget, we continue to fund the necessary overtime for targeted patrols. Usually that is concentrated during the holiday hours, because that's when we usually see those peaks, but certainly I think I know at our next week's meeting I do expect that this issue is going to be discussed by our team and we will have more information and to Councilmember Yu's point, that's really the platform where we can have a lot more robust discussion about some of these items. I also want to thank Mayor Pro Tem for being a conduit for that communication. Your own background in law enforcement lends a really unique perspective that many city councils lack. It's one thing to say we partner really well with our law enforcement partners. But it's completely different when someone is sitting on the council dais with actual law enforcement experience. So to us, that's a blessing that I see on the council. And I hope as residents, you see that as a blessing, too, to know someone who is your elected representative who cares deeply about that issue. So with that, again, I want to extend that invitation for you to join us next Wednesday. I know it's really early, but we always try to entice you with delicious breakfast and coffee. All right. With that, I will go to the last remaining item here, which is a final chance for public comments on items not on the agenda. I know, gentlemen, you wanted to address council. Would you like to address council at this time? If you could please state your name for the record, and if I can also ask you to fill out a speaker request form afterwards so our city clerk has a record of that.

Certainly. Yes. So my name is Roy Liao. Last name is spelled L-I-A-O. Good evening, everybody. I live directly across the street from Jeff and Phil. And I really appreciate everybody's attention to our concerns of safety. Some of you may remember, Brian might remember, this is my third time here on this topic. So I appreciate that open communication has been invited, but I have to express my frustration that we're not seeing much change. And I also want to clarify that Olima does seem to have been flagged by burglars for some reason. I don't know why. But it's not just on Aleema. Our neighbors behind us on Trelawny and even my own father-in-law's house on Longden was also burglarized recently. So it's not an issue that's isolated just to our own street. But even closer to home, my own house has been burglarized twice. And one time my wife was even home when it happened. So this is clearly gone beyond just burglary into the territory of very severe safety concerns. I'm standing up here talking. It's not going to cause any change, of course, and I appreciate you guys listening. I appreciate everybody being here at, what time is it now? Seven, eight o'clock at night. It's so late to be having this kind of conversation. I don't mean to take up everybody's time, but I also wanted to express, I don't know if Jeff had a chance to mention, we had a lot of concerns about the condition of our street in general as well, not just in terms of burglaries, but also in terms of power and water and street conditions. I don't know what the appropriate channel for that kind of concern should be. So that's why I wanted to also raise that question as well. And forgive me for being late. I had to feed the kids. So pardon me for my delay.

All right, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. And I will just note that it's not an agendized item, but we have discussed a update to our pavement management plan, which will be brought back at a future council meeting. And hopefully that will address some of the concerns you have about street conditions. Okay, great. So it's actually good news.

That would be great. We'll look forward to hearing some more good news.

Okay, great. At this time, is there anyone else who would like to speak? Yes, there are two speakers, so Mr. Gordon and then Mr. Jambazian. If you could please come to the podium.

Just Jeff Gordon. So just to add on quickly to Roy's comment about the condition of our street, our street actually is, I don't believe they've redone the plumbing under the street for like 50 years. And the street itself is in terrible condition, cracks, chunks taken out of the street. There's, I believe, over 14 or 15 digouts from the water company multiple times. And the last time they dug out, I had somebody from the city come out to watch the water company fill in the trench. His name was Joe Lara, who was one of your inspectors. and i asked him can i he told me something i said can i repeat this to the council said yeah go ahead and he said this is the worst condition street in all of temple city is olema so not only do we get the burglaries for some reason but we also have the worst condition street and it's made worse because it's used as a shortcut by the parents going going to and from the high school there's times when there's just a backup of traffic on our street so that that tends to be getting worse as well So I just wanted to add a little more color to Roy's comment and mention that if it's possible, we'd like our street to be prioritized above some of the others that are in better condition. But yeah, I think that wraps it up. Unless, Phil, you want to add anything? No? Okay.

All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Jerry?

Good evening, Council. Jerry Jambazian. I must say in my tennis playing days, the courts were never open before 7 a.m. They were opened by a park employee with a key. If he wasn't there at 7 o'clock, I would possibly be calling him up at home saying, what's happening? The other option I was thinking, and it's probably a drastic option, is they have sound deadening paddle ball courts. I mean, paddles. So to use them between 7 and 9 would probably be a good option. I don't know how you would enforce it, but it would certainly help the neighbors. But that's just a suggestion. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Jerry. At this time, I'd like to ask our city clerk if there are any virtual speakers at this time.

Mayor, there are no virtual speakers or callers.

OK. Thank you.

Oh, is there another public comment? OK. Ms. Yamaguchi. Please come to the podium. Thank you.

This is Kasuko Yamaguchi again. I asked Mr. Matsumoto and then asked about suggestion for the silent vote. And then I got answer that say, feasible to use a specific type of the equipment for the public facility. So they said no. That mean no. But then after that couple of months, I was thinking, oh, city more important for the city law instead of the residents. That's one of the reason I got mad too. So thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did the same thing. I did the same thing, but this is the answer. I got it.

Thank you. All right. Thank you. And of course, we do expect our city manager with what he's heard tonight to be looking at all the options. So thank you for sharing. Okay. Any other public comments? Okay. Seeing none, then we are adjourned for the evening because we have no closed session. Have a good evening.