City Council - Regular Meeting

We are calling to order our special city council meeting for our first 2627 budget workshop. Um if we'll rise for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence as we humbly seek wisdom, clarity, and discernment in the work before us. May we be guided in service to this community with fairness, integrity, and responsibility. To the flag of the one nation, indivisible. All right. Um, Madame Mayor, members, council, um, before we dive in, uh, just kind of, um, kind of go through, uh, give you a cliffnotes version of what we're going to go through. Um if you'll look at the uh the overall budget uh that was provided to you that's got all the departments in it. I'm going to start on the personnel capital request briefly um as the department heads come up um once we get to their departments. Uh any specific questions and conversations you want to have about any of the capital items or projects whatnot. Uh that would be the time to get into those. Um and we will start with general fund revenues. Um, if it's okay with council, um, after we get through council and court, um, expenses, uh, I'd like to skip down to public works. Uh, Tim, uh, sings in his church choir and would like to get to choir practice this evening, uh, if that's okay and then we'll jump back up to

admin and development services. So, with that being said, um, council, we'll start on that, uh, personnel and capital needs. Um, I'm just going to go ahead and tell you the items that I've highlighted in red um throughout are ones that um were either a request or it was part of the conversations from CIP um when we had that meeting with council. Um, and there was a mention of maybe we need to slide this up ahead. The things highlighted in red are things that we're uh I'm I'm recommending that we do not fund for this fiscal year. Um, but that could be obviously up to to your direction as we go through it. Um, so we're not recommending or I'm not recommending uh any new additional headcount for the coming fiscal year. Um, and staying put with what we have right now. Um, I'm going to skip over T-cut and storm water equipment vehicles for now. We'll get into those um next week uh on Monday night at our second workshop. Uh so you um we'll get down to the general fund which are the items in white. Um public works looking for uh two pickup trucks and those will be replacement of older vehicles in the fleet. Um a snow plow. Uh we currently do not have one. Um probably could have used one instead of front end loaders with the the snow we got this winter. Uh and this would just be an attachment on one of our vehicles. Uh development services. Uh this is a replacement vehicle. um to replace one of the old Priuses. Uh PD uh three vehicle uh replacements, two that would be patrol and one that would be admin. Uh parks w pickup truck uh is a replacement. Uh the front end loader uh for parks and wreck uh is a replacement and Dustin can get into more details on that. Um and then a trailer um this is an equipment large hall equipment trailer uh in parks and wreck

as well. Um the items that um that were requested um the top two uh a van um think of like a panel van for uh to be able to maintain our irrigation systems and things like that throughout the city and then an RTV uh not recommending those two for this fiscal year. Uh the next two items, um there was mention from council members during the CIP about moving those up, um the CAD system for PD and the training simulation system for PD. Um not recommending to council that we fund those at this point. Uh and keep those in the uh capital outlay. I do want to let you know that the u the CAD system for PD uh we have requested a state appropriations uh for that. We won't know if that's going to come about until probably early to mid June. Uh so if that funding does become available, then we'll be we would be able to move forward with it this fiscal year. Um but that's again that's um Representative Tibé and Senator Johnson uh both received that request from us um along with some other things. So we'll um we'll see where that where those conversations go with the state as they're working through their budget. Uh from the project standpoint, um updating our compensation study, uh the last one we did was in 2022. Uh the continuation of the park recreation uh park action plan. Um uh putting installing uh power in the median on Stone Crest from Dam Road to uh Ledgestone um so that we can do uplighting uh in the median uh when Christmas comes around. put lights in the on the palm trees and whatnot down there. Uh pickle ball courts. Um this is to install a sidewalk um as well as

repair uh fencing um and the gate system, making those ADA accessible uh as well as replacing the electrical panel. Again, Dustin can get into more details on that when when uh his time comes up to the table. Uh Hearth remodel. Um this building is currently about 20 right at 20 years old. Um this would include uh painting the hearth room and we were we are looking at this as a um as a multi-phase approach starting with that room. It gets used a lot uh by a lot of the uh civic groups and things like that. It'd be replacing the furniture and the flooring and and painting um and and giving that room an update. Um if y'all will recall, we didn't when we got the flood uh from the broken uh sprinkler system, that flooring um not meet the threshold with insurance to get replaced. Um so just trying to update that room especially as much as it gets used and then um you know looking to do the the kitchen and the large meeting room and the hallway in subsequent budget years. Um and then monument renovation. This is again will be another uh multi-year plan uh starting back with the anchorage and then working our way forward with the older uh monuments um which would include Anchorage um thinking off the top of my head seven coes water trace herren harbor um those those monuments I think we've got a total of five so this this would be year one uh starting with that that will be doing the and Dustin we'll get more into into that um chief and I having conversations around the fire uh the fire architectural design and renovation stuff. So, not looking to fund that this year. Uh the Turner field lights um will need to be done in a in a subsequent uh fiscal year. Um but not not proposing that for this one. Uh and the last two items there are related to the beach and swim center. Um and you'll see the note

there. The beach and swim center just they they can't afford those big ticket items just in and of itself. So that would have to be an appropriation out of the general fund. Uh when we get to those um and that's that's your your personal capital request. Um and again as as the departments come up uh they are prepared to get into more detail on uh on those things uh and their discussions with you. So moving forward to general fund. Um every year when we do the budgets it's like riding a roller coaster. There's great days as we're looking at the budget and then there's bad days that we're looking at the budget and um you know the one downside to changing the fiscal year is the information we get from the county because we're we're going now on the same fiscal year as them. But um and that's just with the assessment reports. So um the these numbers line up uh on on the property tax side with um both historical data and uh assessment reports we've gotten from the county. Um the auto tax revenue um as Bob and I have talked and looked, you can see we're only projecting about 5,000 more than what we got in 2425. We feel like that number's low. Um that we'll probably realize more than what we're projecting right there. Uh but just being conservative on that. Um the county when they send their reports every year it shows our auto tax going down for some reason. And every year we either meet or exceed what we're projecting. I don't know why they keep showing a reduction every year. Um, so this is on auto tax. This is just based on historical data, more so than the assessment report. But on the property tax side, that is based off of the county's uh assessment report to us. We won't get the final from them until probably August, September, uh, right before they send out the bill, the tax bills, um, and finalize everything in September. So that number could go up, but that is the number that we have right now. county and that's the number

we're using. Uh and then penalty revenue you can see two years ago um we brought in and those are actual numbers in the 2425 that's the audited numbers not the budgeted you can see we brought in almost $23,000 there we're projecting uh a modest 15,000 uh in this coming fiscal year um over a 12-month uh peri time time period. Um, so that's that's your property taxes, your franchise fees, that includes um York Electric, Duke Energy, uh, Comporium, and TCUD uh, each pay 5% of the revenues um, coming in. Uh Bob, some of those come once a year and some come once a year and

yeah on a quarterly basis and TCUD uh we do at the end of the fiscal year.

Um court fines and fees uh we're projecting at 144,000 building inspection fees at u just over 900,000 um and Nick has given us a good analysis on that. That's um your models. Um, zoning permits as well as your new construction permits. Uh, business license revenue. Um, you can see that's slightly up from where it was two years ago. Um, you know, the bulk we get a I would say probably 50% of that comes from uh comes generally in June from mask from the municipal association. Um and then impact fees um at 89716 uh and that is based on uh commercial and residential projections. Um we discounted some of the not discounted we reduced some of the projections that came from the builders. Um for instance the Grove is projecting building all 56 town homes uh that are in phase one. We cut that number in half. Um yeah, if they get to it, great. Um I just I don't know that they will and that's why we we cut that in half. And it also includes the first um commercial building that's approximately 50,000 square feet that's in phase one. Uh we did leave that one in there um as we're supposed to be getting the building plans um probably late May, early June. So soon as we get through that plan review and everything, they should be able to be at a point where they very after can start pulling those permits and whatnot. So, um that's why we included that. Uh we did reduce uh commercial on one building in the Windhaven uh commercial development. Um just based on conversations with that developer, um you first he thought he was going to have that that third building. Now we're not sure. He's not

100% sure. So, we took that part out uh on that on that revenue analysis there. So your your total on your license fines and fees is 5,162,695. State shared revenue that comes from from a report that we got from the state u 375,230. Uh the good news there is the general assembly for probably the third or fourth consecutive year has funded um funded that at its statutory limits. Um which is good. And then there's there's some other um small fees that go in there uh that we get from Department of Revenue that uh some of our illegal Airbnbs um that get rented out uh before uh code enforcement is able to catch them. They pay, you know, they they pay to the state and that money comes to us. Uh um your alcohol tax, we get small bits from that. They're they're not big. Um so we'll probably come in slightly over the 375, but the 375 is uh actually get from uh we know that we're going to get from the state based on their report. Recreation um you can see um we projecting obviously nothing from York County anymore. Uh so the 735780 that includes our registration fees. Uh it includes the uh Charlotte independence money as well as rentals down at Kataba Park is what makes up that 735 780. um sponsorships at at 50,000. Um park rental um park rentals uh at 5,000 um and then concession revenue at 6,000. Um bringing your your total recreation to 79678. Other revenues uh that we uh we're forecasting through the year, interest earnings at 400,000. uh interest rates dropped a little bit uh from where it was in 2425. Uh plus we're spending down

a lot of uh we've spent down well no not in this one that's in we spent down money. So in here we still got we still got a good fund balance in there. Uh but the interest rates have come down some but those fluctuate you know so um we're just basing it on where it is right now. um your trash fees. Um and that analysis is based on that projected one and a half% um increase that they're um that Signature Waste has notified us that they're they're requesting and that's where Dana has run a good analysis on that for the 1,122,880. Uh transfer from the Beach Club and that's just to pay their portion of our landscape contract um for down there. um transfer from hospitality tax for Kustava Park. Uh you can see you see a big uptick from there and that's because the Ryfield lights have been paid off the note on that. So that balance uh from hospitality tax we added to what was already coming to Kataba Park or to help pay uh the bond on Kataba Park. Um transfer from golf uh 350,000 and that's to go towards the that will go towards the uh the bond for the golf course. um transfer from reserve fund. We're not showing anything there. Um other revenues and this is just miscellaneous um revenues that we get. Uh just 2500. Um waste management fees, that's people paying us to pick up brown goods, white goods uh at the curb side. We don't get a ton of those requests. So that's that's just a modest revenue amount there. Sell tower rental. Uh that's based on what our current rate is uh with the 4% multiplier that goes in um goes in annually. So that's 65,486. Um we don't put grant revenue in until grant revenue is actually received and then we'll put it in those two line items. That's why you see those as zeroed out. Um

Glenn Center rental uh we don't have a ton of rentals um up here, but uh we do we do get a fair amount. So, we're forecasting that at 3500. Uh resource officer reimbursement. Um that's coming from the state and from the school district uh towards those three officers. So, three of our officers uh excuse me, two of the resource officers are funded at 100% plus we've got a new class three officer with that agreement with Fort Mill School District. Uh and then we have our resource officer at middle school. Uh Fort School District funds 60% of that. Uh sale of fixed assets. uh at 10,000. Um parking ticket revenue we're forecasting at 15,000. And then uh restaurant license fees that will be coming from the garrison at $90,000. So that is the forecasted revenues for the coming fiscal year uh totaling 19,429,432. Any questions on the revenues we can answer before we get into expenses? with Kataba getting more of the H tax and you said that that's going towards the bond payment for that. What's the actual increase in bond payment that that that's going to

um let's see the bond payment uh it's it's a it's pretty much a flat bond payment from year to year. So this coming fiscal year, if you'll look on the bonds and lease tab, uh it's $591,394 at 2 and a half%. So does that take into account the extra money that's going into that? Just helps go towards that that and impact fees are going towards that payment. Okay. And then for the you you said the the Glennon Center rental, is that tied to the contract that's there now or is is that something?

No, that's when people when groups uh individuals call and want to do a birthday party in the large meeting room downstairs. So we're talking the lower level.

It's the rental. It's only rentals that that happen in the lower level and there's not very many. There's so many civic groups that that use it for free. Um there's bridge groups, there's maon groups, there's knitting groups, things like that. They're able to you and they primarily utilize the uh the hearth room. Uh various HOAs will meet in there. They they get to use those at no charge. So civic groups uh there's not a fee for them. This is for private gatherings. Uh you we'll have birthday parties and you know, baby showers and things like that. There's not a lot of them, but it's just the lower level stuff. Everything related to the restaurant is in that um restaurant license fee. That new line item at the bottom of the other revenues. One question about the the property tax. The ninemon that's actually is that a full 12 month looking across the revenue.

What are you talking about? Up top under under tax under property taxes 8.5 million. That was year that was that was forecasted on the nine months. And we have exceeded that. So from 24 now with a 15% reassessment. Do um are boats included under the automobile tax or the property taxes? Under the auto tax. Okay. Okay. And so is that part of the reduction because I know the state that has that won't go into effect until next year.

Okay. So that's not this fiscal year. Okay. I was just curious because I've been seeing the news about that. So I want to make sure that was accounted for. Thank you. Yeah. That that the the reduction on the boat tax that the governor just signed into law that will hit next fiscal year. Uh it's still unclear uh as to how much of an impact that'll be for us. Are you expecting sponsorships to continue to go down? It seems like that's that's a bit of a trend.

So, I know that we're uh one of our $10,000 sponsors uh backed out this year. Um I think Pedmont Yeah, Pedmont uh isn't renewing. Um basically what we've been doing um for you for the last several years uh with sponsorships is we're funding into general fund 50,000 and then all the other sponsorship dollars are over in your events uh like I'm showing in revenues over there in your events tourism budget. So we bring in more than 50,000 we put 50,000 in here and all the rest of sponsorship revenues we put into the events tourism budget to help pay for those events. a park rental revenue. Is that just does that include Kataba Park or is that just the

That's Pare and Wind Jammer. And I would say the vast majority of that is Wind Jammer. Um several years ago, um we made the decision to stop renting out Wind Jammer on the weekends during the summer months so that residents can enjoy it and we can maximize the little bit of parking that we do have down there. So, we're only during the summer months, we're only renting out um during the weekdays. Um but yeah, that that's what that revenue that the park rental revenue doesn't that's nothing with Kataba Park. All the Kataba Park rentals are in recreation revenue. The anticipated sale of the fixed asset for $10,000. What are we looking to try?

So some of that is uh aging vehicles, aging equipment, things like that that we're taking that we be taking out of the fleet and that's just anticipated what we'd get for it. U some may it may come in higher. Um a lot of that will depend on what council um approves as far as any new equipment vehicles. Um as you if you'll recall on that capital request pretty much well actually everything on the um on the general fund with the exception of the trailer are all replacements. Um so those the vehicles and equipment that they're selling some of it so it may only get $1,000. Some of it may get five to $6,000 just depending on the Yeah, we uh we put those a lot of those we put on gov deals um and let them be auctioned online there. Um it's no cost to us. Um other vehicles or if we're not successful by the time uh city of Rockill always does an auction, a big city auction. Anything that we haven't sold online by the time the auction rolls around, Rockill has always let us put uh put vehicles in that. Uh and whoever buys it also pays the auctioneer fee. So it doesn't cost us anything and we just get a check on that

once it's sold. You see 2425,000. What does the on the resource officer reimbursement? So in 24 the actual was 94,713 and now we're at 333,751. So what does that cover? How many offic what's the difference in two years?

So you've got a total of four officers in there now. Um three of which are attributed directly to school resource, right? Um it's one at each elementary school, one at the middle school. The ones at the elementary schools are reimbursed to us 100% uh through the state. Um and the one at the middle school is reimbursed back to us um on a monthly basis at 60% from the uh Fort Mill School District. Uh and then we have our class three officer that Fort Mill School District. We just entered into that agreement at the beginning of this school year um when the district was notified and most of y'all will remember that that they weren't going to have the crossing guards out there anymore school district said we'll pay an officer to be out there. So okay. So, in year one, uh, this fiscal year, they are reimbursing us for salary. Yeah. Full salaries and benefits plus their equipment. And then going forward, it's just salaries and benefits at 100%.

Does that include a vehicle? Uh, no. They were able to go into one of the vehicles we had. We didn't have to acquire a new vehicle for that officer. So, we had the three extra vehicles. We had a spare that he's that the class three officer was is uh is utilizes when they're on duty. But for the other resource officers, the other re resource officers do have uh the vehicles fully equipped and everything. So that that that is included in the state grant. Okay. So we are not paying for their vehicles. Correct. Okay. Uh with the exception of the officer at the middle school.

We just received a $55,000 check. Yeah, door is able to build them monthly on that and they are very quick to pay it which is nice. They don't make us wait around for the check. Any other questions on revenues? All right. Um we'll go ahead and touch on municipal council and then I'll get Judge Simpson up here. municipal council. Really nothing um nothing new in here. Uh the one thing that I the one I'll say big uptick that you'll see is on the travel and training. Um if it's not if council decides not to use it then it's you know yeah then that just will roll into reserves at the end of the fiscal year but gives you the ability to attend the mass trainings. Uh I know four of you uh went down for um the hometown action day. Uh participating in the municipal elected officials institute which are all great things. Um yeah, so just to provide that opportunity for y'all. I think it's I think it's a great thing for council to to attend those trainings. So uh that's your that's your one uptick uh item really in there. Um obviously no election expense for this coming fiscal year. Uh and as we have seen uh both with just a general election and a special election, they both cost the same amount of money and they have gone up significantly. Um and we we asked a lot of questions when we got that bill because there was a little bit of sticker shock on that. Um now when there is a federal election, national election like we'll have um coming up, we're not charged on those. We're only charged when it's just a city election and that's the only thing on the ballot. uh the midterm elections uh that'll be coming up this summer plus the election

in November, we won't receive uh we're not build on those. So that's why there's uh we're not forecasting any expenses there. So any questions on council what under travel and training there's meeting expense also that there's an uptick on that. It's not a lot of money but that's that's for for various things. Um you know supplies for for the meetings here um there's some of that ends up being some IT stuff. If the cameras in this building have to be replaced for some reason, um you know, things of that nature. Um apparel for council, shirts and everything. Um those those go into the meeting expense. Same rules if it's not utilized goes back.

Yes, sir. And that that that's that's across the board. Yeah. So anywhere where we're coming in under expenses in any of the departments, that's just additional monies that uh Bob's able to transfer over into reserves. Any other questions on council?

Okay, Judge Simpson, if you want to join us, please. Next is municipal court. And as judge is coming up, uh, and this just go ahead and let council know across the board anywhere we where we have salaries and wages for staff. Um, I we have programmed in here a 3% cola and up to a 1% merit uh for staff uh across the board. Um so just to let you know that that is in there. Um so you will see you know obviously upticks on salaries um across the board. That is none of that is new hires. that is strictly just related to the 3% cola and the uh the up to 1% merit um that that we would that we're envisioning. So with that um what questions do you all have of Jud Judge Simpson for her budget?

Just a follow up on on the salary the 3% plus the one up to 1%. When I look at this it shows me that there was an Uh it's a 7% increase if I'm annualizing the budget the 9-month budget and it's a 20 27% increase looking at it compared to 2425. How do I How do I keep in mind council uh voted a year ago uh to do an increase for Judge Simpson? And I that's what I was asking that if that was what was calculated here, but that same

increase more than the 4% that we would be looking at based on what you're saying. That's across all of the departments. So would you be able to once we get there, can you walk us through those as well? I will do my best. I have a question.

I was just gonna ask about the change in supplies from 3700 to 7500. with supplies,00

council. So, I do want to note your the um the um reimbursement other governmental units. That's a formula that's tied to the revenue side of things. So, the higher the revenue goes up, the higher that expense goes up. And that's primarily what that is is a reimbursement that uh it's I think it's like a on a per ticket, whatever is adjudicated on that ticket percentage of that goes back to the South Carolina Criminal Justice Academy to help fun that. Great. Thank you. I was about to goes. What? What is that? So, thank you. That's what that is. Yep. Any other questions on court? Um, not specific just to court, but on the copier lease.

What is that contract? Is that something that gets out goes out for bids or is that just something that gets did that last year?

Yeah, we got three years left on that before we'll we'll shout that out again. Um we've uh Dana's done a good job along with Janet and consolidating um for instance uh lower level city hall uh where the bulk of admin is um everybody prints to just the copier machine instead of having individual printers in their office um with the exception of Bob and Dana and Dora uh because of finance and HR with having to print checks and things of that nature and then obviously confidential HR files you don't want to send it to a community computer Um yeah, and then upstairs um pretty much everybody with the exception of I think maybe Chennet prints to one central copier. Yeah, and then um over at PD, we've tried we've consolidated as much as we can there. So we've I realize it comes across as may look as a as a big expense, but we've Dana and Janet have worked very diligently over the last several years to really dial that in and get as tight as we can. Yeah, I think Dana's right. We've got about three more years. That's with is it Kelly? Kelly Office Solutions is who it's with right now.

And I assume that comes with the tech support that you would want for those large machines. So if you have any issues, you can call somebody in to service them versus us being the ones responsible for replacement repairs, things like that. We looked at purchasing directly. That's not the way to go. Yeah, they do a similar thing with the school district. So I just want I figure it was an all-inclusive deal, which is part of that price, which has big benefits for labor and frustration. We don't have to kick it anymore. We can just call someone.

Anything else for Judge Simpson? All right, Tim. Council, if you'll scroll down to public works, we're skip admin and dev serve. Try to get Tim to choir practice. There's only six of us in the tener section, so they need me.

Um, so I'll I'll cover real quickly as Tim gets settled. Um, the salaries with public works um are split between here and storm water. Um, 65% of their salaries are in general fund, 35% are in storm water. If we're being honest, they probably spent that should probably flip if we're doing a true time allocation. storm water just can't afford it and be able to do stormwater projects, right? So, we've got it split. It used to be a 7525. We've got it down to a 6535. Uh, but that's what you're seeing there. But again, no new uh no new hires uh going in there. Uh and then with that, I will be quiet and let y'all ask Tim what questions you have of public works.

Tim, thanks for being here. Um I think my uh first qu or probably my biggest question is the uptick for maintance and uh we're requesting 185,000 whereas um for 2024 2025 was only 60,000 which is sort of a difference of 124,000. Why do we have such a large uptick in street maintenance and then we just did a um a contract for street maintenance for outside vendor. That was just a little patch job.

The main thing is if you look at your street maintenance tab on the sheets that were provided street signs and sign parts was Street patching we estimated at $75,000 repair $2500 and gutter repair 17,500 sidewalk repair $52,000 $300. We did add some crosswalk paint. So that's that's the items that are included.

So in 2425 you we actually budgeted uh I want to say it was about 100 or 120,000 but we only got to $60,000 worth. So you ended up with a savings in there. So yes, it is an increase uh but it's not as monumental uh from budget to budget. It's just from actual to budget. Yes. If that makes sense. I think my question on this is goes back to the the payroll line again. Um, and if I'm looking at it comparing it to 2425, which was our last full year,

it shows a 14% increase and a 13% increase if I'm looking at a 12 month conversion. The 450,000 represents actual numbers for that year fully staff. The 400 I got 454. So and the 540 represents fully st. Yeah. So if we if you were to go back and look at the budget, what was budgeted in 2425, it's going to be a higher number than the 450. 450 was the actual because we we weren't fully staffed for that year. Hey Tim, what's what's the difference between tree care and tree work?

Okay. Um, tree care is like uh in integrated pest management and fertilization uh has to do with actual care of plants that we have on in our property. And tree uh tree work is what we do for removals uh and pruning on trees in greenways and public property that has to be removed. typically due to a hazardous condition. Okay. And as a follow, excuse me, um significant increases uh year-over-year. What what's the driver behind the increase?

Uh when I was young and doing tree work, I could take down a giant pine tree for $250. Now, that same pine tree is probably $2,500 or more. So the significant increase in the tree and arborist industry has driven that increase. We're just paying a higher fee to get Yeah. Everybody's paying it. Our guys take down what they can, but there's certain trees where we're like if it's close to a, you know, if if it's on our property, but it's close to what, you know, if it came down wrong, could hit a house,

right? We contract that out and let somebody that's okay bonded in insurance and equipped to climb the tree and top it and things like that. We contract those those. Unfortunately, we have greenways behind a lot of these houses and the trees on the edge seem to die several years after after occupation occupation after the subdivisions are occupied and then we have to come in and remove these trees and they're usually in a precarious position and require a lot more insurance. We prefer to hire that out instead of take the liability on as a city

question in general, but it came up here first on fuel. What did you guys forecast? On average for unled, uh, we're looking at 350 a gallon over the course of the 12 months. And on diesel, we were, uh, we forecast that, which is primarily in in the fire department at 450 a gallon. that could for instance, I think this past year we were budgeting unled at 250. So, we bumped it up an entire dollar over where we were this this current fiscal year. Yes, ma'am.

What goes um into your building and grounds maintenance? I noticed that each department has a a separate building and ground maintenance budget and with public works it's 16,000. It was 12,024 and then 15,025ish. What does that include?

So, um, some of that is our termite inspection for uh the public works building which is shared with TUDA. We have facility the building maintenance cost uh associated with the outside of the building or things inside generator services and HVAC maintenance and repair plus any maintenance that may be needed on the shop building. Okay. on the maintenance shop building down. I guess where I'm when I'm where I'm looking at comparisons on this for the admin building, I think you have it at 5,000 for um building and grounds maintenance. So admin doesn't have a buildings and ground, but we have a city hall and

city hall. That's what I meant. Yeah. Uh that one city hall building maintenance at 5,000.

So you have 5,000 for city hall. you got 16,000 for public works. Um when you get into TCU, you're at 27,000 and then you go into fire department and police and they they jump from that. I'm just curious what what are the expenses that constitute building and maintenance that make it go so high from 5,000 for one building to upwards of 30 some 30 40,000 for another. A lot of it is going to be dependent on the the size of the building, the age of the building. Um, as well as like what what needs to happen there. Um, you know, a lot of it, as Tim noted, is related to our HVAC contracts that we have on the buildings and this preventive maintenance on those units. Plus, we always try to budget a little bit of money for the uh, the unexpected something broke, you know, that kind of thing. Roof started leaking, that type of thing, just in case it does happen. Uh, but for the most part, it's your general wear and tear on that building and keeping it keeping it up. Uh with PD, um you it's such a large building. The guy that cleans our buildings, it's it's hard for him to keep up with a building of that size plus all the other buildings because we have one person. So, they have him plus a contracted service that comes in um that's cleared through their background protocols and everything else uh related to being able to get behind the scenes in a police building. Um you know, it's impacted by uh the amount of staff that's using that facility. As far as your paper goods, white goods, toilet paper, paper towels, things of that nature, all of those things get wrapped up into into your building maintenance stuff.

I think Yeah, they've got they've got each one of those.

What else y'all have for Tim from public works? Oh, I was just ask I'm assuming they're replacing the old 20117.

I'd have to look at my schedule, but we would replace the oldest ones that were on that schedule with the most mileage. What was the increase on your IT expenses from 1500 or for the 9month budget to 6,500 for requested and in 2425 the IT budget was $653 and it is now $6,500.

Um, so we had $1,500 in there for computer related. We need to replace uh the computer for the uh fleet maintenance supervisor down at the shop and also uh cameras that fleet maintenance in the operations building that we're working on at $5,000. That was just an estimated cost. We're trying to get some of that done in this budget year, but um we had a a cost of of cameras for the shop building and for the public works building that we would put in with that money.

These would be security cameras. Yes. Things to monitor. So, or if there's an incident, that way you have footage to show what happened like if there's a cop or something like that. So, basically just general monitoring cameras. Yeah. And it would be uh material costs mostly because Janet is super great at cameras and she's with our help and installing them and she programs and makes it all happen. Yeah. And thank you for having this on the Excel for your department. That's very helpful to be able to see the breakdown, but to specify some more details bey. So that increase is not a an anticipated year-over-year. It's to replace some computers and cameras.

I have one last question myself. Um the equipment lease it was 48. What leases are I guess so the 27 the 27 917 would be the lease payment for the things that were uh acquired this year under that lease. Oh yes, you got broken out. Okay, that's what I was Yep. And we'll talk more about that uh after we get through the non departmental section. That was part of the 2025, correct? Yes.

Yes. Anything else for for Tim and public works? Thank you very much. We'll scroll back up to admin. What questions do y'all have for us on that? back to that salary question. Is it the same thing that you just

We also um reconfigured some of the salary allocations. Um so you've got several folks in admin such as myself, Bob, Dana, Dora, Janet, and um Tammy, our new HR person. Um where we're spread across several funds um and and Joey. So we We've reconfigured some of those salary allocations. Um, a lot of it was to try to reduce what was being moved over that was being shown in storm water again to try to a lot for more funds in storm water for storm water related projects and things of that nature. So, it was a rec a lot of that is um you know your um uh obviously we've added employee with uh in HR you've got your your colon and merits and Then you've got uh just a reallocation on um Tom spend in some in some of those areas. There's two colas there 24 25 to 26 27 4% 4% a new employee and $1,000% previous at a minimum if we lose an employee at a minimum you've got four pay periods before they're replaced. And that's fasttracking it to where that's that's four pay cycles that go through where it's going to end up showing it as a savings uh at the end of the fiscal year. So, um and more times than not, unfortunately, it will take longer than four pay periods. um love to it only take one pay period get replaced a lot faster but by the time you advertise background check interviews and all that kind of stuff it it takes a while before

we can get somebody new and salary allocations salary budgets are not ever moved into any other any other funds right that's as far as I mean to use like if if you were needing to move you went over budget on one fund you needed to do what you would few things that you know that I flagged um because a percentage increase you know data processing service being one of them we got a 50% increase what what's the driver behind that paychecks that much

we have a lot of inflation is that the same what about office supplies is that is Well, if you compare the office supplies and the data processing to the 24 the full 24 25 12 month cycle, you have to remember that the other one is only a nine month cycle as part of the difference there too.

So if you look at the 24 25 there is an increase but it's not as large of an increase from those requested for supplies,000 right? Yeah, 2425 it was $27,000 for office supplies. So that's actually lower. It's 27601 and 2425. Uh okay, sorry. Yeah, disregard it works. Uh my question was what does contracted services uh include? Like what what are examples of the contracted services? Okay. So, when they process the taxes. Okay. Thank you.

I'd like to see this uh this budget and see a lot of the reductions in in costs from previous years such as professional services. Talk about office supplies uh the dues and subscriptions and then especially the IT expenses. So, it's very nice to see that and no major increases in this budget. Anything else on that? Thank you. All right. Go ahead. Just real quick. Yeah.

But um I know we part of the the CIPs were to um do the ordinances and you've got you've got a little bit of a budget here to codify ordinances. Is that something that is just kind of a maintenance type thing?

It is. Um, so we've got um unfortunately we have not been build for uh yet and I'm hoping we will before the end of this fiscal year. We sent um in early January we sent uh a host of ordinances that you'll see on our website as ordinances not codified to Munich code to be codified. They are u Mia reached out to them a week or two ago. um and they are in process, but they still have not codified them yet. We won't get that invoice until they do codify them. Really wanting that done before June 30th. Otherwise, you're going to see it not spent this year and then it's going to end up hitting next year. Uh unfortunately, uh and then we we always try to budget um a nominal amount in there. And again, that's just maintenance for anticipated code updates. uh you know, council passes an ordinance that needs to be codified. We try to wait and do that once um so that we're not just peacemailing, sending send and sending. Um we may get into more of a process of doing that twice a year just so we can get it done a lot quicker. Um but that's that's what that is. That's just um keep keeping the code up to date because we're required to by law. And I guess same question as I have with the copy machine contract, the cell phone contract. Is that something that is coming up for renewal? Do we know it does extend it every year?

Yeah, we're we're with Verizon um and they have given us an amazing deal where um just to bull it down u not including the equipment cost, but just our plan is $39 a phone.

Yeah. And I mean They they not not every staff member has a has a cell phone. Um you know all of our folks that definitely work outside the office, our maintenance guys, uh law enforcement, you know, they they all have cell phones. Your department heads are all going to have them and things like that. U but somebody that's just 8:30 to 5 in the office all day long, they're not going to have one. Um you below the below the level department head municipal rate. Um, if that is if that is something that council wants added in, we can we can begin doing council cell phones.

Well, considering that we're the only ones on there with zero increases. Uh, I got you about you about to get into one that has zero increase with development services. Um, he's actually got a reduction and I think partial Rex's the other one. Nick, Nick and Dustin are the are the winners winners tonight. Nick and Dustin will be our winners tonight. So,

all right. So, let's dive into uh development services. Um, nothing more to say on the the salaries uh and wages. We're fully staffed. Uh, not looking to add anybody there. Um, one thing I did fail to mention on group insurance, uh, we got word from the state that as they passed their budget, looks like we're going to get a 4.9. Is that what it was? 4.9. Was it 4.4? Yeah, it's it's in the it's in their budget. Yeah, it's it's it's a little north of 4% but less than 5% increase on the premiums. But you're saying that's worked into the numbers we're seeing here. Okay. Yes.

It's it's an increase, but here it's it's a reduction, but a lot of that's going to depend on the employee and what they sign up for with their insurance, whether it's employee only, employee child, or employee family. Yep. Two years ago, we could have had somebody that was employee family and they may have left and now it's somebody that's employee only or employee child or something like that. So any what uh what are your questions for medical development services professional services that

yeah primarily made up about 90%. Yeah, it looks like about 54,000 for that. And they do the, if I remember correctly, they are contracted to do the new build inspect. They do they do all they do all it now. Okay. I could I just what I wanted to clarify is Jeremy does still will go out and do some inspections. Uh especially like with the garrison or some of our commercial things, things like that, but primarily RC rci, right? RCI is doing all of our insp official primary job customer service.

So utilizing him more for the resident facing contact points and then having contract to hands up. Tom got me first for professional services, but then the second one is a I know, but the next one is it's a larger increase and I know there's a reason, but the software maintenance for the increase of 45,8 is coming in this year.

Okay. Right. began October of 24 which was after right at the end of the actually it's showing a decrease if you annualize the nine budget. So you had your first implementation fee and now you're moving into the maintenance fee which is less. It's a 1900% increase if you look at 20 in case you're wondering.

Yeah. 2425 you're showing what that maintenance fee was on blueprints which was our prior very antiquated software and that's why but as the mayor stated yeah as you annualize that nine month you're actually dropping off the the initiation installation piece of it which is always more expensive and then when you get down into the annual maintenance side of it always drops down on software the budget is still less than Yeah. The uniform the cost of uniforms across the board seems to have gone up kind of in the same way as fuel. Is that just what we're seeing? Yeah. Okay.

Anything else for development services? Yeah, that's great. So, you're down 13 13,184,184. Yeah, cutting out comp plan helps a lot. I was about to say that I was about to note that not having the comp plan for another That will be I was say that's 72,000 definitely helps with sleep and rest. That will be absolutely. We'll pick that up again in five years. All right. Um he was strut off. He struted off. He did. a little pep in a step on that one. All right, Chief Crosby.

I was gonna ask Judge Simpson to come. Um, before y'all get into questions, uh, I I want to go ahead and point out, uh, as we talked about Monday night at your meeting on the boarding and lodging of prisoners, that that figure is based on what the new, uh, rate, uh, per prisoner per day would be. So, um, but other than that, uh, what are your questions for Chief Crosby? I know you have a lot of questions, so I'm going try to help you out again. How's that? So, if you'll look at our tab that I submitted to you, um, and you'll look on that sheet or he sent you.

I have to move there. So, PD's pretty proud. We actually have a 24% decrease in our operation budget for 2425 for what we're asking for from you for this year. So, our last full budget was a 25% decrease almost. Can you hold off?

Sure. semantics. This is the And it has all the tabs on the bottom. Yes, sir. That summary at the bottom. That summary tab will help you out there. There we go.

Now, see, that's that'll help Miss Miller out. That'll that'll say,

there's two of them. Do the second one. Yeah, do the second one. down there.

I just check And then the second tab for your reading pleasure later on later on so the city manager doesn't kill me will be the summary taking into consideration the reimbursement that we're expecting from the SRO's mayor Miller to your point that'll be for the uniforms for the gas travel training and some other expenses that we're anticipating getting money back for. There's some monies that we can account for because that's like some cell phone stuff they do pay for. They don't pay for everything. So, it's hard to calculate everything, but that's what we anticipate bulk coming back to us. So, I may want to show that in that particular figure there.

On the reimbursement, that's just on salaries. Yes, sir. So, it's not the other things related to the two SRO's at the elementary school that we get reimbured back on. Beyond salaries, we're looking at about roughly 24 $25,000 that we'll get back from uniforms, gas, travel, training, and software. Okay. Now, I'll take any other questions that you may have about line items that you want to talk about. your boat expense. Um,

so it's it's about a 50% increase from 24, but it's not much different than 25. But what what is it that we're doing with the boat?

Yes, ma'am. So, if you go to that boat operation tab on on the spreadsheet was given from by the PD, you'll see uh we get about six fuels of 300 gallons of gas. It's about $1,875. We anticipate about $1,600 worth of maintenance and repairs. That's buying some new uh like the new canopy, washing, waxing it, making sure it looks really good for uh the summer season. Some additional equipment in case we have to buy new life jackets, things like that. Then we also pay a boat slip fee to the marina, which is $3,690. So that's where a large bulk of that comes in at for that total. What is your operation time frame for in the summer? Like when are when are you out there and is that predictable or is that as needed?

So we go generally from Memorial Day to Labor Day. We try to cover the big weekends on the water or if this county or Charlotte mech says, "Hey, we need some assistance." We'll try to be out on the water. But then we're definitely out on the water the big weekends. The Fourth of July thing such as that. I think you're going to be busy this year. Eene being open is like a lot. Yes, ma'am. We talked about this a little while ago in regards to buildings and ground maintenance and that there's a increase um of $12,000 from the previous full fiscal year. Yes, sir. Can you help us understand the

be glad to again if you go back to the buildings and grounds tabs that I provided to you, I have a breakdown. HVAC maintenance is $5,000. Gate maintenance $2,000. generator maintenance $2,000. Uh various building repair maintenance is about $4,500. That's if we have any type of plumbing issues, electrical issues, changing out light bulbs. Uh because we have we in the new building, we can't change just a light bulb. We have to change the whole fixture. Uh they're several hundred a piece. We are asking for money to for the painting of the interior of the building this year. Several offices need to be painted this year. Pressure washing the outside of the building. We do ask for a carpet cleaning because we do have so many special especially after arts and crafts. Fire life safety inspections is $1,000. Miss Janet needs a new UV light in the server room. That's about $1,000. So that's what we're asking for for this year. And all that's broken down on that.

Thank you for the breakdown. Appreciate that, Chief. Sure. And you'll see some PDFs beside that. If you open up the PDFs, that's the quotes that we got from the various vendors for you to see as well. Chief, can you uh speak to the auto operation expense uh you know between the summary tab and the police budget? I don't what what so the summary tab we we got auto operation expense of uh 94,000 but that I don't see a separate fuel line item in the summary tab. Fuel is auto operation. Okay, that's not included. Okay. All right. That's okay. Just wanted that clarification. Thank you. Okay. What's project lifesaver?

So that's project lifesaver is a project that we can offer to vulnerable adults or vulnerable kids. Let's say we have someone that has autism in our community. You know, we've had several searches to where kids have wandered off. Project Lifesaver is a band that they can wear. So we they would call us, sign up for the program, their child would wear a band or the adult would wear a band. And then we actually have an antenna that we can go out with and track them. Uh it drastically reduces the amount of resource that is needed uh and the time that is needed to try to find someone that's in a vulnerable state. So it's another community service that we're going to be trying to provide to our community. So that's a 6,000.

Yes, sir. That gives us So I'm not I'm not being funny, but if you're a hunter, you know, the things that you track your dogs with, the antennas, that's exactly what it is. So, you have to buy that equipment and then buy the bands and the cases and things uh that we would then use to give to our citizens. Where's the other the other 6,000 from?

So, you as you know, this year we added our community officer. So, we're having a lot more special events. So, this year we added the Easter Bunny event. We're having the K the teens driving event. We're having a scam educational series. All of those things we're having to buy extra uh pamphlets and papers for. Plus, we're doing more and more giveouts to whether it be pamplets, little frisbes or balls with our names on them, whatever the case may be. So that's to help us resupply those as we're doing those things. You know, we also had the scooter event already this year. We're already I think about I think we're 40% 35% ahead of this year than we were last year on community events

for the project lifesaver. So obviously the equipment is there a annual cost that will be associated with that moving forward? It'll be very small. So we'd have to go back if we don't use We use all of our bands and people sign up for them. You'd have to restock them. Have to go back and restock. But so and then but in terms of a maintenance cost, it would be it's purely for the materials as needed for the community. So it's going to depend on the demand for the community to sign up for the project. Correct. And the cost is so high this time is because we're having to buy that electronic to start it. Okay. Uh but obviously compared to the cost of an operations room for a missing person operation with all hands on deck, that's a lot of people, a lot of money, a lot of money.

You look at our our last call out that we had for a missing juvenile. We had just about everybody with TCPD. We had your county detectives. We had the DEU. We had the horse back from the county coming. I mean, we had a massive amount of people that were that was here that if if the child or the adult has this man, we're going to drastically reduce that time because at that point, it's just open it up. Yes. look for the signal with regular officers initially obviously. Okay. No, I think that's a fantastic program. I think that's a very smart use of resources. It do you find that you might get some push back on the use of it like people wanting to have a band or wanting their their child to have a band?

I've overseen this program before and there was not because it's a voluntary program. It's kind of like our are you okay program for the senior citizens? Oh, I I understand it's voluntary. I'm just wondering. So, I they get to choose to do it. It's just for us to help them and help them expedite finding their child because there's nothing more scarier to me than your child, especially someone with autism. They're attracted to water, so they're naturally going to navigate to the water. Sergeant Reap, I think it was last year, we had a child with autism that ran away. And we found him sitting beside the water on a log.

Um, and so time is critical for things such as that. in your repair and maintenance. Um I think it's repair and maintenance vehicles. The vehicle maintenance. Yeah. Okay. You have repair and maintenance uh various for 30,000. Is that just

Yes, ma'am. If you'll look down, I've listed for you tires, how much the tires cost for one and for four, how much an oil chain cost, how much brakes cost, how much wipers cost. So that's general maintenance and repairs for the vehicles that we're having. And then also if we have an auto accident, the charges for that accident goes onto that line as well. So that's why sometimes you'll see that inflated because it hopefully we're not at fault. The um repairs and maintenance equipment and it's dropped drastically like So there's only a requested budget for 6,000, but under that tab that you provided, that doesn't have any specifics.

So that one I spoke with Miss Dana about today, and that was an adjustment by the auditors. Okay.

Uh so we last year's budget, we spoke on that today. We only spent in 2425, we only spent $4,364. So it has stayed around that $6,000 mark since I've been here. What that is for is we utilize that Say a radar unit goes out and we have to send that off to get repaired. We will fix that antenna using that budget. Uh let's say we have a a broken printer or we need a a cable or uh anything that's not the functioning of the car. We have a a blue light that goes out. Uh the handheld mic for the radio goes out or something like that. We would use that money to make those repairs with Chief, I just I noticed on your repairs and made what's the outfitable fire truck?

So, the fire department, if you remember, when they got their new uh red truck, the the we got their old truck that they had because we have the cone and trailers to push around with. So, instead of buying a new one, we just got their truck. So, we had to I mean, I love the fire department, but we had to take the red stuff off to get blue stuff on. So, uh, that's why we're asking that that particular truck started off in public works and phased over to fire department. Now it's phased over. Yes, sir. So, we use that for our cones, our barricades, and then to move the message board around.

How long did it take you to get your budget into the detail that you got? Um, 10 to 15 minutes. Yeah. But I, you know, I do I have to give my team credit. It's not just me. Um, Major Patterson, Shannon Washington, Captain Holland, and I really got to give Major Patterson credit. Uh, we, every Monday we have a command staff meeting, and one of the things that we do is we pull the QS1 report, and he gives an update of where we're at on our expenditures, how much we have left, what is forecasting for the future. So, he is in charge of that. Does a great job. And without him, it wouldn't be where it's at. So, I cannot take all the credit for this. They do a great job with this, helping us put it together.

Anything else for PD?

Yes. And then you've also got uh some equipment cost. Phone gets damaged, we got to buy a new one, things like that. That goes into the cell phone line item, but Your usage charge is $39 and change uh per use per month. So, but what if you look in ours, if you'll go to that tab that I gave to you. Yes, sir. It's broken down. You've got GTEx, which is our computers. Some of our computers have internet. For those that don't, we have to have cradle points, which give them the internet connection.

Uh there's a monthly charge for all of those. Then our cell phones. And then we have two cameras that we use. special events of the parks and things we pay services for. That's where the 34,000 comes from. Right. Y Yes, sir. Anything else for Chief? No, it's very helpful to have the details.

I do want to Sorry, Chief before you go. Um we and we failed to talk about it in detail with public works or with uh development services. Um but on the capital side with the uh three police vehicles any questions or anything you want you have for chief on that? Again, it's it would be uh selling and taking out of the fleet two patrol and then um one admin. So, not growing the fleet. It's just this is just the rotation schedule that you've already set up. So, the three ant the three anticipated rotating out. Okay. I would like I think it's the same question.

Yeah. Um when we looked at the fleet, there were I think two maybe three that said unassigned vehicles and as listed on there. Um So is that can those that's for new people that we have? That's for people where we have openings. Okay. But we we're not using them, right? We're not using those vehicles. We're not planning on hiring.

Three that we bought this year that aren't in service. So we haven't been able to take three out. And then we still have openings, open positions. And we'll be eliminating three other vehicles that that have reached that H in mileage threshold. the two on his sign. One of those went to the class that he was the two class officers that we have to do the school crossing and the other one we use as a spare. So like right now we had a car that went down with engine problem. We had to send it to the shop. So they had to drive one of the old cars, one of the unassigned cars. So to answer your question, is as of today we only have one opening which we're looking at conditional offers offers for that. So those be assigned or have been assigned. And so all of our vehicles are accounted for with the exception of the two spare cars that we have, which really they're not spares. One is one is being used by the class three and one is being used as technically a spare car.

Yeah, I think we've historically had at least one or two spares for the exact reason that you've talked about. when a when a vehicle goes down or if they're in a wreck, you know, there's a transition period to be able to have a vehicle that we can plug them into where they can continue doing their their work um is is critical, especially in PD, probably more so than than anywhere else, for sure. His car is a spare car

because if you take that car out of the commission then I have nobody going to win park or doing school crossings in the morning time and afternoon times because they can't get there. So, if I have two spare cars and me and you are on the road, I have one that serves as a spare for the officers. If I take this spare car out and make them not drive a car, they have nothing to drive to get the school crossings and they have nothing to drive to get the wind jam or the parks to do traffic I mean parking enforcement.

Yes, sir. That's why you're seeing the enforcement numbers go up for the parking enforcement at Wind Jam or Kataba car and stuff like that. That's part of their duties as well. for your um community events and the giveaways and and all of that that you have going on. Um do you see that expense as something that is going to continue to increase or do you see that as as what you have will work?

I see it as plateauing out and may even could possibly decrease depending on how we see what is going well, what's not going well. As we do this for about a year or two because we stop having attendance at certain events, we can phase those events out and put something else in that may Let's take like the Easter egg thing. If we do it for two years and the tennis is not there, then we phase that out. Maybe do another educational piece. So I could I see it plateauing, maybe possibly decreasing depending on what we have filling in those boards. Anything else for Chief? Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Thank you. Chief, your turn. From one to the next to the red chief.

All right. So, what questions you'all have for Chief Hasty on fire?

I don't know what it's doing. This is like very well they're doing that. I did have one question. So, uh, we have a contribution for the volunteer fire department line. Could you just describe to me what specifically that money's used for? It doesn't look like it's gone up significantly, but I'm just curious for my own knowledge sake of where that's going.

So, we we give them basically used to cover insurance. So they carry insurance. They still have a few pieces of equipment that we don't own as well as the building. So the slight increase you see is actually an insurance cost and this is our in-house volunteers. It's station two. Okay. So station two, the building team volunteer fire department still owns that. Yeah. Okay. Basically this is a a pass through insurance cost. Okay. Okay. Thank you for So we occupy that building. I appreciate that because I was like there's other volunteer fire departments. I just wanted to make sure I understood where that was going. That's what that is.

Chief, my question is uh in regards to travel and training. There's a pretty large increase from before up to 33,000 now. Can you help us understand what that increase is due to all good? So I too have concern about it. Thank you very much. So we've had some changes. We've uh as we increase staff, our class registrations have gone up some and we've been very fortunate and we've talked before about apprentichip Carolina. We have we always put the money in here to pay for people to go to those classes. Uh we've been fortunate that In many cases, we've gotten grant money. We continue to get grant money. We've got three in the MT class now. Uh that's $2,000 a person that that we didn't have to pay for. So, that money sits. It virtually rolls every year. We roll money back into traveling training because we're not having to use it. We're getting grant money to cover that. So, some of that is is just some cost increases. Uh we've seen some cost increases at the community college level who provides us our EMT continuing education as well. cost increases uh from other vendors that are providing us the the extra training, the the skilled certification training we have to cover.

Your fuel increases hurt. Yes, they do. So, I'll tell you, and Dana can tell you better where we are. Um we we just bought fuel. We had we're using about 600 gallons a month and uh we have the the price at the pump is 569. We paid 542 for it. Uh the month previous we were in the $3 range. So the tank at station one is paying huge dividends for us.

We've got we've got a thousand gallon tank there. So we're at 14,275 year to date. So you know we can't ever project. I think we put $5 a gallon for diesel or 450 and 450 or $5

in gasoline of course. Uh what what hurts us a little bit is the uh we have to put fuel in the boat. It's about $7 a gallon at the marina. So uh you know that hurts us a little bit. Um and we are running. We had a uh a jumper the other day that we responded to north of us. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we respond mutually with them. So, we are moving some with How often do you go out on that?

It's it's hit and miss. Uh just like the police department between probably May and September. We're out more frequently uh just like events and that kind of stuff. Go voter. They're getting ready to have the dam. So we'll go out and support them from the time they get the wind jammer all the way into the beach club, you know, just because at that point they've got people that are paddling that may or may not be in the best shape. We're there for EMS support for them. Uh we do those kind of things. I won't say that we're out all the time. It's very it's intermittent. So you guys know we've had some drownings and things over the last few years, but we've been able to make an impact. That book's when you're doing that. Um I guess escorting like the boat

what is it the boat goat go? Yes it's it's paddle board is is that just as a as a community outreach that you do that okay it is um I think that first supplies you there there was you know a decent increase in that. What What do you put under your supplies? Because what I'm I'm noticing is that some people put computers in supplies and others do it on it and so there's there's not like a consistency there.

Yeah. So ours if you if you look at it and some of our differences, we've got you know people in the fire station. cleaning supplies, mechanical supplies. We've we've seen it. Unfortunately, we've seen an uptick and we're having to buy more things for HBAC. HBAC out, but some of that's equipment repair, some of that supplies. We have to make sure that we're for an example, we have a carbon monoxide detector that's involved in that. Just the cow gas is $350. So all that's going to roll into that line item and that's everything. That's office supplies, station cleaning supplies, truck wash. It's everything.

Is that where you also have like your food supplies that you keep? No, they buy the firefighters buy their own. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We we got cleaning supplies and that kind of stuff. A lot of cancer initiative things. Uh there specific wipes those kind of things that we use for postfiring units to make sure our firefighters are clean and taken care of. Chief, what's the driver between the EMS increase in EMS?

I'll be honest with you, that's a that's pretty much a pass through cost. We've seen an increase across the board in supplies. Gloves have gone up tremendously. medical. Our co value has gone up a little bit, but we're seeing pretty substantial increases in medical supplies. We shop those a bunch to see if we can get the best price, but supplies are getting us. That also includes the drug cash. Yes, it is a drug cash, too. Oxygen. I mean, all that, you know, it's all encompassing a batteries. A battery for an AED is about $600.

So, A pads So, you know, you start when you start looking at that under a microscope, it's it's pretty expensive, but it's a necessary cost for sure. And I was going to say, I think from your last report, you're at around 50% EMS calls. We are pretty. Yeah. So, so it's a pretty significant and I know when I was talking to some Fort Mill folks, they're up to like 75% on EMS for theirs. So, we're even lower than them. And obviously, you have regulations that require certain things have to be replaced on certain schedules. Um, which I just want to say thank you for the overtime explanation because I had looked at that increase, but that being a mandatory like that's not negotiable. No. Um, that that's a fire department's the only department where it's actually scheduled overtime.

Yeah. And the explanation there and then uh our police dispatchers um because they're eight hour employees, but they have to work a 12-h hour shift. And with fire to eliminate their scheduled overtime, we'd have to hire an entire fourth shift where fire has three. Just the way the scheduling works, we'd have to hire an entire extra shift which is going to cost a lot more than just doing the the schedule over time. But I appreciate you including the um the legal side of it for us because obviously for a resident looking at this, they'd go, "Why are we doing so much overtime?" Not understanding this is not people actually doing overtime per se. This is a mandated requirement for your department to function.

That's a double-edged sword, right? Yes. What other questions y'all have for Chief? Good. Thank you, sir. Dustin, you're up. And as we're uh coming up, uh the park attendant at Wind Jammer started you said last weekend. How many?

Wasn't there like over a hundred one time? the heat of the summer. Yes. So, your overall parks and recck budget um you're showing a decrease of almost $60,000 from 2425 to this coming fiscal year. And with that, we'll turn it over to uh to council for any questions you may have for Dustin.

Before you all get started, I just want to make a quick note. If you all are comparing the actual 2425 to the requested, I just want to say that the park maintenance at 161822,000 of that should have been in capital. So we didn't go over $60,000 in park maintenance. Just FYI, I noticed that this morning and this afternoon and I was like, I want to make sure I note that. Okay. Auditor adjustment, I guess, because I I was looking at that. I'm like, there's no way I went over that much. So just just in case that was a question. Yes. All right. My computer

if you're looking at the 24. Okay. Questions for park. the park attendant budget. Is there a mistake in there? No, that did it go down. No. So, um we used to have our part-time help was included in that line item. We've moved the part-time help up into salaries and wages and that way this is your true cost for the parking atten.

We've we've split that out for for starting this fiscal year. We spent about 10 minutes trying to figure that out. No, we've actually added We've added more time, more dates with the park attendant um since we've started uh because I think the first year, Dustin, wasn't it? Uh it was Memorial Day weekend uh to Labor Day weekend. And as you see now, we've actually started um before we've even gotten to May. Saturday, Sunday when holidays or Monday.

Your supplies actually went down compared to what everybody else's did. So, with the supplies, we we stayed fairly consistent across the board. You'll notice that there's a couple of things that we took out of supplies to make them more noticeable, like professional services. Those are our coaches, our volunteer coaches background checks. So those were being put in supplies because as you can see there's not a background check line item. So we wanted to make sure that was pulled out and your recreation equipment that's why you see a little bit of an increase there because we moved our recreation medals that line item. So we wanted to make sure we were capturing supplies as opposed to those. So stay consistent but as you mentioned it wasn't a significant increase.

And your vehicle lease um got a requested of 33,520 compared to 15,000 for the 9 month and 15,000 that's the payment based on the things that were purchased this year last year. So it's picking it's showing that payment. Okay.

Why the big drop contract? Uh that would be the landscaping services. So when we rebid it, they came back the consolidation that we had talked about when they put the two together.

What will you do with all that savings? Oh, he's got it in there. Don't you worry. Don't you worry, Carmen. He's got it in there. Don't you worry. Yeah, I know. I know. I was I was being very sarcastic. I took that for so we can if you want if there's not any operational questions we can flip over to the um capital outlay uh or capital request from parks and w you've got a pickup front end loader and the equipment trailer why don't you talk talk through uh talk through those specific

uh so the first one a lot of these ones I touched on a little bit already on the capital improvement plan we that meeting. Uh so the pickup is going to be a replacement um of number 29. Uh so that one, as I so eloquently put, it is nearing 21 years old. Um it has over 140,000 miles on it. Um

that's um Kelly or the Edmonds says it's about $3,000 um in actual value right now. We put in about $6 to $700 on average per year in terms of maintenance. Um, so it's going to replace that vehicle, but in addition, that's going to actually that's really going to help us with our hauling and moving people around because it's it is going to be a four-door. We don't currently have the capabilities to to haul big items. Um, that is in conjunction with the the hall trailer. I'll jump to that one right now. So, things like our rough mower that's top of park or sprayer that you see sometimes driving down TK which it shouldn't be picking up pallets of saw things of that sort. We don't have the capabilities to do that at the moment. Um if we are in dire straits and need to we've used staff vehicles and staff trailers um which we really don't want to do. U so we haven't been able to purchase a trailer that can be hauled. So this vehicle is not only going to replace a vehicle but it's going to give us additional capabilities to to get that trailer as well. So those are going to be used in tandem. The front loader, it's uh something that we've talked about a lot. So currently it's a front loader that we have um that public works currently has. Um we went through and had it completely looked at uh by CAT to see what it would take to get it fully operational. Um so just for comparison, new tires is $4,000 alone. Um there's like four sheets that they pulled with stop signs that run the length of each sheet. estimating probably anywhere from5 to $8,000 worth of maintenance that would be required just to make it operational. Um so you're looking at over $10,000 that we would have to put in just for maintenance in that vehicle. So as opposed to coming to you with an astronomical number for a new front loader, um we tried to get a little creative. Um we're we're attempting to do a trade um in value with that and

then also use that additional money to purchase a used uh equipment. So, one of the things staff was able to find is that with that money, we can get a newer machine, less hours, and an upgraded machine. It would just be used. Um, so instead of purchasing a brand new one, we want to at least have that capabilities because, um, as Tim mentioned this morning, their their loader is actually down right now. So, we have two departments that have no uh load front loaders to be able to use at the moment. So, that's the request there. We want to at least try and get a working vehicle so we can continue working on our projects. So, those are the three equipment vehicles. Do you all have any questions on those before I move into projects?

So, the front end loader roughly for a used one including a trade in is roughly 35,000. Um, so we would get when we looked at it, it was around 15 to 20 for tradein value. That was the initial and then we would use that additional 35 um to find a 50 or so. Correct. Okay. Correct. That'd be the additional additional cost to find something that would be worth purchasing used. Okay. Brand new. Brand new. They're very That's a That's a high dollar piece of equipment for sure. So, being able to get a refurb uh with the trade in value and you know, our out of pocket only being 35,000 is fantastic deal

and and not attempting to put any type of pressure or anything like that. But, you know, as the years goes on, if we continue to wait on this, obviously the trade value will go down and we would more than likely put in that additional funding to make it operational.

If if they needed Yeah. If they asked nicely Well, y'all are still vehicle sharing to a degree. Correct. Because I remember there was a discussion of like 32 like the day splits for some of these equipment. So this would help to split some of that up so y'all aren't having to schedule your projects around each other and then one goes down and like you said there's no service for either of you whatsoever. Correct. When they're doing their brush pickup or things of that sort when they're doing any of those the the vehicle is not useful for us. So our our projects and brush season here is very long. So it would be it would definitely help help our department and then if needed they could they can use it as well. Yeah. appreciate your financial stewardship and thinking outside the box and looking for creative solutions.

I will not take credit for that at all. It was passed along to me and my staff. I have really good staff. So, thank you. I just tried to tell y'all what they tell me. Dus, go ahead and touch on the uh on the projects that you've got listed there.

So, um So, the first one is going to be your park action plan. Um, so I'm going to pass around the uh projects that we we'd like to complete this year. Um, we have one more project on this this park action plan. It will be Windong Bay Park. Um this one you'll see Runny Park will be getting a pretty massive need with the uh the fencing and the back stop being replaced. That was part of the capital improvement plan. So it's not double. So if you see it on the capital improvement plan, that is that project here on the park action plan. So we do hit a couple of different parks. Um one of the ones that we really also would like to complete this year is trailhead park. Um for those of you that don't know, it's one of the most used parks in TK. It's always love messing around in the bathroom. So, we want to make sure we renovate that to try and minimize any of the vandalism and really make sure that it's a nice uh bathroom restaurant.

Didn't we It was right at the end of Mayor O'Neal's That was Turner. Turnerfield Turner. Yeah, that was a Turner. This is This back stop replacement is on the big field at Rundy. Um, that's currently I beams. I'm not sure who thought that was a good idea 40 years ago. Um, so those will have actually cutting those to remove them will be quite the chore. But that back stop is in dire straits. It can't be repaired.

We pulled the curling of the back stop down as many times we possibly could. So that would replace that. And then also perimeter fencing as well, which is replacement. Any questions on for for runday? Um does that is there any plans and I may have missed it somewhere else for the playground space as well because this obviously is encompassing the um irrigation the field the back stop but so this doesn't include the the playground currently um Miss Miller and I are still working on um we haven't heard back yet. So if that if that does come into it, he's helping to Excuse me.

I remembered a previous convers I remembered a previous conversation about that, but I just wanted to verify it was just remembering that that's that that one is in its own little correct category right now because there's a there's a look at grant money for that. If we were to be awarded the park grant, it would come out. Okay. Thank you for inviting me where to look for that. Absolutely. And as I said when I was talking revenues, if that grant's awarded, then you'll see a part revenue line item and then you'll see Yeah, I saw the blanked out one. So, thank you. I just reinfor 8020 grant. So, we would have a 20% match involved with that which would be if we get the full be,000 our responsibility

and we're still waiting on the I don't remember the name of it, but the the grant for Wind. Yeah. So, I can give you an update whenever you want. If you want me to do it now, that's fine. So, um I may have mentioned it before, but we I was told that we were ranked the fifth or sixth highest out of 24 grants, uh which she said was the most grants that they've seen in years. Exactly. They told everybody.

Yeah. So, um so it very very um good chances. So, when I met with her, she said, you know, we can't say for sure, yes or no, but she said that we're in a good very good spot and we're working through our um NPS so the park service review right now for compliance and that's going to be granted in June. So we based on what she said they they mentioned that we should hear more if where we're on or you know where we are in line in terms of that in the summertime but they wouldn't start awarding until the fall. I believe it's either September or October. It's October.

That would be amazing. Yep.

So, let's touch on the other right here is what your project plan is for next year based on the budget that you have. Yeah, correct. Yes, moving on. medium power stone crest. I know I touched on this a little bit on the CFP. That would be from um from Dam Road down to Stone Crest. Obviously, as Charlie mentioned it earlier, that would be adding your power. So, we' be able to do uplighting and then Christmas lights. That is a fully contracted uh price right there to install it and then set your meters and all that good stuff.

Would this extend to the roundabout lighting the roundabouts? It wouldn't go to the roundabout. It would go to the roundabout. The the will be installed, but not the roundabout. Correct. That raised the question. I mean, I love the idea doing sense. Yeah, we we'll we'll be able to touch on that because it'll stop short of that roundabout. Um and we've already requested that developer include conduits. They're not they're not going to be in the median where we're putting power.

Yeah. And and then moving on, I know again I mentioned this already, but the uh football courts, this would be uh adding additional um addition, excuse me, it would be adding a walkway, a concrete walkway for ADA accessibility. This also would be electrical panel that was here before Tim as he mentioned that um if you can believe that. Uh and then it would also replace the fencing around the facility. It is currently rusted. Um so it will add additional um exit points as well for ADA accessibility. So that would be that project. Um and then the monument re renovation it looks like that that was added after the CIP plan um or CIP meeting. That renovation would be to tackle all the monuments that we are in charge of. Um so uh redoing the landscaping, repainting, brick work, uh things of that sort. And that would be a multi-year plan that we would work down from the back up to the front.

I do have a question on that. Um so we're doing we just voted to to do the monument coming into the golf um club and it was $11,000 for materials and then the city was is providing the labor. This is $20,000 to update one that's already there. I'm just curious why that there's such a big difference um in cost. I know that you said that if we were paying an outside person to do the then the golf course one it would be about 30,000. So if if the city is doing the work on these um what is the what is the $20,000 expense for just renov like updating what's already there?

So this one would be a almost a complete renovation um in terms of we would be removing landscaping. We would be adding landscaping to it painting fresh and then replacing lighting. So it's a little bit more extensive than the one um that would be at the golf course but the golf course would be mostly m material cost. This one would be more material cost and as a follow on to that. So a multi-year plan. So the 20,000 is going to pay for just the work done in this next fiscal year. Correct. Just just on Anchorage. So you'll have we call it Anchorage one and then you've got the one at Mariners Court. That's Anchorage 2. That would be the next one and then we work our way down.

So we'll fund this as a recurring expense. And from my understanding, based on the quotes, the anchorage monuments would be the most expensive ones um because they're larger. So work our way down. Thank you. And more landscaping. Will you have a rendering of what this is going to look like before and after just because I I I get what you're saying about cost of removing landscaping, but I'd like to be able to kind of visualize what the $20,000 is going to get us. Um

yeah, we can absolutely. Um, so when we we did do a rendering a few years ago when we were looking at replacing all of them at one time through a previous landscaping contractor. Now that was like $200,000 or so. Like it was very it was very significant. Um, and that was like a full rebuild. I don't think that style necessarily would fit in this situation. So I can go do what I can to try and get you some type of rendering as to what this would look like. Okay. And is the thought that we're going to keep the same look of all of them? We're just going to update them, repaint them, power wash them.

Yeah. So, if we were going to do like tear it down or rebuild it, it would be significantly more expensive. So, we would still keep the same shape, it would just be dating it, painting it, and then like I said, updating some some landscaping and taking out some landscaping. Um, a big cost of a lot of these ones are going to be tree removal, especially over there. Um, just because that's not something that us as staff can accomplish. So that's baked into the cost as well as tree removal. And you know, as Bob mentioned earlier, everything keeps going up in cost. So tree removal is one of those things.

20,000 seems expensive to not talking. It seems expensive just to update the existing. I want it to be nice, but let me be hall entrance. is I mean and and to to your point this is like I said this would be a complete gamechanging differencem looking type of monument outside of tearing it down and rebuilding it. So if council's direction more so is just you know paint it and not really add anything we can always do that but this would be your option in terms of really trying to renovate those those monuments. So

I think that that's where the visual comes in because I'm I I need to be able to see what 20,000 is is going to get me before I decide that maybe 10,000 would do. Right. Sure. We can work to get you that as quickly as we can. Sure. And again, this this would be a project if you all wanted to hold off. We can absolutely hold off until next budget as well. So, it's not a pressing a pressing project, but if your interest is to continue to upgrade those facilities, we can try and move as quickly as we can to those.

Yeah, I think um if not an itemized, you know, somewhat sort of a breakdown to Mayor Miller's point to see, you know, what what we're paying for is a tree removal that's driving the the cost more than some other. So, just kind of just looking at our our rough estimate that staff was able to put together, removing trees would cost $7,000. So, it it's not a nothing expense. So, that would be a big portion of it as well. the actual landscaping and things of that sort was estimated at 12 to kind of give you an idea as to what those breakdowns. Thank you. Yes. Yes, we would do it in house.

And the the main anchorage is obviously one of the largest neighborhood monuments that city compared to the other monuments city owns. That is the largest. I actually just had a question about So, one of the items that has dropped down into the red that we had discussed at the CIP was the Turner field lights. And you had given us a pretty good overview of like that's another one that's kind of on the rough if they go out type deal. Is that from a change in your comfort level feeling like we can get another year out of this? Because obviously that's a very large item that that's a large project that would eat up a lot of the budget. I'm just curious what's our risk at not addressing that

um in terms of like like I'll touch on that real quickly. I was just curious for something like that as to why I'm not recommending it one primarily is because it is a estimated $350,000 number. Yeah, it's a big number. Um my thought process on it is if it got to that critical juncture where the lights went out, then we would come to council for a request to pull that from reserves and fund it and repair it. Yeah, because we discussed that's the scenario we'd find ourselves in if this failure that we were concerned about happens, which I'm not opposed to as a result. I just was curious what the comfort level was with that risk of of taking that.

Yeah. I mean, it's uh it's tough to put on a risk level, a risk percentage in terms of how quickly it could go out. It's one of those things that we have patched as much as we possibly could. Could another patch get us through until we have to do it potentially. But based on what what we saw, it was more so I want to make wanted to make council aware that it is coming. Okay. Um so, could it happen tomorrow? I really really hope not. But we want to make but we want to make sure that we're preparing for it because it is something that's that's why it wasn't pushed as a prior priority this year

versus the back stop and doing some of the other work first there because obviously that's one of our older perks. So there's plenty to pick from there but I was just I just wanted to understand the logic for that. And is there an estimate uh you know how long would it take if it were you know an urgent issue? So if it was an urgent issue and we were doing a full renovation, it would take quite some time. So this renovation would be to to really redo the underground lines to replace the hallogens and the LEDs. Like it's a full renovation of of that facility.

U to patch it, we usually can do it in a couple they can do it in a couple days depending on the issue. So ideally um as we plan for this and it it's set aside and allocated for the budget, we would try to do it during the winter time or summertime whenever there's no programming going on so we can make sure that the the impact is very So it essentially shut down a season if we had

any other questions for Dustin operationally or otherwise? Thanks again for squeezing pushing those pennies on the operational side. Fantastic. Thank you, council. I'll see you back next week.

All right. So, is uh I've got Joey coming up um for one particular line item in non-depart. Um this is the last uh area of general fund. Um uh in here is where all your bonds are, our um expense on uh trash collection, um street lights, um things of that nature. Um our overall um computer maintenance as far as software, license fees, um you know, things of that nature or uh the city's responsibility on storm water expense. All of those are in your uh in your non-EP departmental budget. Um, but I've asked Joey to come up based on some emails uh with some council members today uh specifically about the wildlife management um as as uh those that reached out. Obviously, we did not specifically put funds in there. Uh but Joey has had conversations with uh Mr. Henderson that uh has performed the culling for us for the last two years, two years. So, uh Joey, if you want to touch on that, please.

Sure. Uh I've had a few conversations with some of you offline in preparation for tonight and willing to go into whatever level of detail you'd like to uh regarding deer whether it's full on like hey what are we observing what are the numbers telling us to just strictly what could next year look like depending on what the survey results uh from a staff perspective I would recommend carrying over at least 6,000 of that for a deer survey from our uh the vendor we've used the last several years with Dr. De Nola's team, we added the new transexs this past time. So, as part of the updated survey that would anticipate being end of August, early September, I would recommend continuing with the old transexs, but adding the new transexs and continuing that process for at least another two years. And then once we have three years of data with the new transexs, then everything starts turning towards that because now you have kind of historical data that you can pull off of. So at a minimum, I would recommend at least 6,000 in that line item. Uh I've had a few conversations with Dave Henderson about what next year could possibly look like if if council uh gave some type of direction to Cole again. And essentially what we'd be looking at is four nights of service uh with the hope of getting to 40 deer based off of what he's seeing uh out in the field. Obviously that's going to be dictated by survey numbers as well, but based off of what he saw last time he was there, it would be his recommendation to be here for four nights with the expectation of getting 240. Uh the challenge with that is that his cost is going to be at 40

deer regardless of whether he gets the 40 deer. So you're looking at a cost of 25,600 for four nights because in order for it to be worth his time and his processor's time, that's what it's going to cost. Factoring in $500 per deer and $140 per deer for the processor. Obviously, there may be some wiggle room depending on Kataba Indian Nation covering some of those fees, but to be clear, the 25,600 would just be for his four nights to hopefully get to 40 deer. And if there's any deer that's over that amount, it'll be $640 per deer after that. So it it's one of those things where it it's tough, but I also understand his perspective as well because our success has led to increase in, you know, decrease in efficiencies and an increase in the cost per deer. So that's where we're at. And as y'all know, it's it's a it's a interesting situation because if you look at the city as a whole, it's you've seen dramatic changes in a majority of the city, but there are still areas, pockets in the deeper sections of the peninsula that's still filling that strain. whether it's through tag deer or simply because we don't have the green spaces that allow Dave to successfully conduct coals. So those are kind of the challenges that we're we're facing as we as what I would view as shifting into another phase for this upcoming year. And I specifically asked him what's your recommendation? He said you can go about this one or two ways in his opinion. You can obviously let the survey let the data serve as as a important guide. But his recommendation is you can either keep skimming every

year and you know take what you can uh within those four days and continue that process or look at a every other year model and the the anticipation is you get more like going every other year. But always staying on the numbers and obviously with the investment that uh the city has made obviously we're we shouldn't just wipe our hands clean and say, "Hey, we did it." Uh, this is going to be an ongoing thing that has to constantly be examined and and and followed through with. So, with that, I will be quiet and happy to answer any questions.

Um, I think my thoughts on this is that we don't have a deer culling program. We have a wildlife management program which means that um we've committed to while deer is the the headliner we've committed to having a wildlife management program and it is not a culling program it is a management program. So in in looking at at budgeting for it every year, the decisions are going to be made based on data and based on those surveys that we or those those counting um you know the counting that we do and the the impact that we're seeing. And it may be that we get to every two years. and maybe that we get to, you know, a lesser lesser need and maybe that there there's something new that comes up that we can that we can do as part of that wildlife management that doesn't involve culling or sterilizing. Right? So my thought is is that as we have a wildlife management program that should be a funded program because our decisions are not known at this point and but we know what it's cost us to get here. So, knowing that last year we budgeted $100,000 for what we decided to do, that should be our baseline budget as far as a wildlife management program goes. We shouldn't have to be reactionary on getting, you know, getting the data and then going back and finding finding the money. we should fund this program so that we know at at a baseline what we're spending and have the ability to make those decisions as that data comes in because one of the things I've I asked was that we shouldn't just look at the counts, we should look at the impacts um the grazing lines um we we had a we had impact um impact reports last time from our police department on

I have all that information if you want to discuss it right now.

Well, no, we don't. But that's what I'm saying. We're not at that point right now. We're talking about a budget, right? Um but as we get to that point, there there should be other data points besides just the count that lead us to the decision. This is a conversation about the budget. And because we have a wildlife management program, we should have a budget that get that allows for that to have funding and then gives us the opportunity to proactively know what we have to spend rather than reacting at the time that we're making this decision. and having to find the money at that point. That was my that was my whole point on this is that I I don't think that we should have a reactionary budget. I think we should we should be proactively funding a wildlife management program.

A recommendation if uh depending on other council members feedback is my my only recommendation based off of what you said is I probably wouldn't put that number at 100,000 based off of what Dave told me or shared with me. Uh I think that number would be closer to 50. Personally, uh I I would struggle finding a vendor or that would have the ability to get us to 80 for this upcoming uh year just based off of what Dave shared and based off of the data we have right now. But

but again, that's that's that's the assumption that what that our decision would be culling, right? We don't know what that decision is going to be. I I think we're pigeon holing ourselves into thinking that that's going to be what we're going to to be considering every single year. And I I I don't see that, especially as it evolves and those numbers come down and fluctuate. I don't see that being the decision making conversation. Is it the direction from council to pull together sterilization numbers or I don't have a direction for you because we don't have the data. Well, you you said something other than culling. So, other than culling and sterilization, I'm not sure what else we would do with this.

Um, I'm trying to I'm just trying to follow the what is saying is we should have a budget for it and then in the fall we get data what we're going to do whether it's smallerization. So, we have a budget for it instead of wait till the fall. We get some numbers and then okay well I guess we should do something. Let's let's now take a vote to pull money out of reserves instead just have it in the thing and then if we don't use it we don't use it but it's there if we need it use that budget of $25,600

because the it may not just be that that's why plus regardless I would request 6,000 for the third contract 32 to 35. Um, this past year we were able to call 80. He was finally able to get to 80. We spent 48,141. So, are we looking at a $50,000? But to that point, they want to have the flexibility if they decide to sterilize that we're we're not scrambling to have those funds.

I So, I I 100% agree. We need to have a line item and not be reactionary. I think what we're trying to to a consensus on in some ways what is that number in that lineup but I think we also need to remember every year the budget this is a discussion that's going to happen legally so that number is going to be flexible every year in terms of the cycle from what you and I have discussed with the timing if we're looking to get two years of data because I have 100% with you on we need to make data driven decisions for wildlife management um no objections to any of that it's not irresponsible of us to set a lower number this year if we know that this year is a data collection year because the timing of doing the data collection to actual action this year just isn't really feasible, especially if we're trying to build two years of usable data, which is really where we're going to see trends is two to three years. Um, and while I'm all for buffering our budget and having options in order to get the range we're talking about from just a survey to a possible full sterilization program, which I don't think is feasible to pull off this year anyway, I don't think it's a problem for us to set a lower number saying we know we're going to cover a survey and maybe have a little bit extra to cover the one scenario that we could potentially do and then next year have the discussion when we're doing this again because we do this every year. Um, and we're going to all be here together for at least two to four years depending on where we are in our cycles of saying okay is this year I mean you know now we have two years of data based off the new transex so I I actually literally had thought $50,000 makes sense in my head to cover what's a realistic contingency for this year so we're not wasting our time because it is you know I think sterilization or whatever it looks like in whatever form is at least two to three years out based off of just to get accurate data that we can work with to gauge our community temperature you know, to look at all the information they've been collecting for us in terms of tree lines, damage to landscaping, how many things emails we're getting as council from the community, how many dead deer are being picked up. Like,

that's all the stuff we need to be collecting right now. Um, and that way we're not I'm and I had asked Joey this when he and I had a conversation. I said, "What happens if we don't use the money? It rolls over to reserves." I'm okay with that, but I'm just as happy. I'd prefer to actually have a more realistic number to the reality of our situation for this year so that that money can be used isn't locked into just automatically rolling into the reserve fund if we don't use it, which is likely to happen under the realistic scenario we're in. What was the total that we used last year for wild for this this current fiscal year? This the fiscal year for the for this fiscal year 48,141. So it's at that 50,00. So that's a base that it's a baseline.

I think uh to Heather's point, the challenge for me and obviously happy to have the conversation to get a gauge, but what would mobilization look like for sterilization if we decide to do that? Obviously a decision wouldn't be made about that until de or September at at the earliest. So what would that even look like from a scheduling standpoint? I don't think we we're going to be able to make a decision to sterilize within a with this budget. Meaning that there there's nothing showing us out there that we have an that huge of an overabundance that what we've done has been working. And I I I do think that this year is more of a data collection and I'm I'm very hopeful that the numbers support that because I would I would personally like to have break from from having to make a decision on that. Um but I it I think it's responsible to make sure that at least what we spent last year is allocated so that if we do need to make a decision, if somewhere between now and September all these babies bust up all over the place, we can't go backwards. we're going to have to make some tough decisions. So, I would rather have the the conversation being about the decision that's having to be made with the funds already allocated rather than having two decisions to be made at that point.

Agreed. Absolutely. Having the flexibility and the availability of having the funds to be able to to pivot and do one thing or another. Um hopefully nothing. We definitely need the data. Um because we have definitely seen a decrease in the population of deer in our community. Um, like you said, I'd like to see a us pump our brakes on something and really understand exactly what we're going to do. But if we need to move forward being able to have the funds in that line item or being able to pull funds from somewhere else in order to go off and and move forward with another, you know, way that we're going to go off and sterilize or whatnot, but that's just the conversation we're going to have later on. But I agree with having 50,000 in that line item.

Yeah, I I would because again that way gives us a chance to collect the data. We have a little flexibility to respond to whatever scenario is thrown at us, but we can all I it sounds like we're in agreement we all want to do the survey and are in agreement with that staff perspective. I I don't want to speak for anybody else, but that's the that's the impression I'm getting. I mean, it could be that we suddenly have black bears suddenly show up again and we have to deal with black bears and that falls under wildlife management. So, we got fun. Please don't add animals. Don't put that. My point is is that

conversation just about culling. Yeah, we could have there could be an outbreak of wasting management program and we have to be we have to be very, you know, very open about the fact that it isn't it isn't pigeon holed into how many deer are we going to call this year. That that's not what this is about. Um and I think also that opens it up to the residents to go look we have a line item for this. There's a reasonable amount in there. The survey is definitely guaranteed and then the rest is available depending on whatever direction the community and the conversations go with staff and once the survey is complete happy to present that along with the the other items that we had discussed.

I think that had a lot of value when we had that meeting where there were it wasn't just about how many deer do we have but it was about what is the effect of that um not just how is it affecting people but how is it affecting our environment and our treetop or grazing lines etc. So this I think is a a really good year to get that data back after two years of a lesser impact.

So is everybody good with 50,000? Okay. So I've placed that into that line item. Um before we get into any other questions you may have in non-EP departmental. Uh that brings your revenues over expenditures to $792,929. So, as you have your spreadsheets open, if y'all want to pop in the 50,000 into the wildlife like I did, and it's up on the screens, um the formulas and whatnot automatically adjusts there. Um, which is still a very very healthy um reserve to take us uh to I'm going to let Bob talk about plan that he that we have discussed. I think it's a very solid plan where we can do the things that need to be done. Um, but before Bob gets to that, any questions that council may have on the line items within non departmental and I wanted I got a couple questions about the projects too that we didn't cover.

Okay. But we'll go non departmental first. All right.

Well, he's finding his flags. I know it's small. But 24 it was a negative number and now that was an adjustment by the auditors for some reason. I'm not sure why it's showing a negative number there. Uh because we definitely bought flags. Okay.

Uh and and keep in mind this flags line item isn't just the big flag that we're working very diligently on Tim is to try to get back up on the cell tower. That's also flags in the memorial garden, flags at PD, flags at at fire department, flags at city hall, um you things like that. So it's um city flags are very very expensive because it's a custom estimated cost.

Yeah. So um but that's that's what's in the in the flag line. Obviously the one that goes up on the south tower is the most expensive one. Um city flags are those are pretty pricey as well because those are a custom No, those are over in the marketing line item that's in your H text.

Yeah, I was just looking at the numbers. So the question car and I looked at this earlier. So under non departmental the trash recycle service is 1.218 million but the trash fees is only 1.1 million. That's because we have other expenses related to city trash,

things like that, things that we we have to take out to the landfill and charges that we get there. So, that that line item isn't just the residential curbside collection. Um, the maintenance to the clubhouse. You've had it.

Yep. We pulled that from um that's typically been in hax um based on our conversations just to show because we've got revenue shown on general fund then showing attributable expenses to that facility in the same fund. Um Bob and I talked a little bit about do we create a separate fund, separate budget, but there's not a lot of movement there. So, we're just keeping it in into the general fund, but that way at least in one fund, you can see, you know, revenues in versus anticipated expenses out.

Yeah. I I think that one of the one of the things that I had talked to you about and brought up and I think we talked about it in um in meetings is having having the revenues that are coming in from the garrison as noted separately. So, that those in my opinion of of things that makes our golf club successful is that they have separate funds which we're able to see and allocate to specific needs that come from the golf course.

We have an the same opportunity to to do the same for this building in general like the $30,000 that we're allocating towards part of the the lower level. If if the funds that are going that are coming from the rental for the garrison, whether it's from the restaurant or whether it's from from the event side of it, if that's kept in a in a separate separate fund, and those funds are then allocated to maintaining itself as a whole, the Glennon Center, lower level, you know, air conditioning, things that things that we know are we're responsible for. I think it would give us a linear view of how it's how well it's supporting itself. The same way that the beach club does, the same way that Tacut does. You you would we would be able to see we're getting this revenue in. We need this is an asset that we have to maintain this much of that revenue is maintaining that asset and at some point does it clear the green line? Are we are we able to keep more than what we're spending and maintaining this asset? We won't be able to do that if it's if it's if that revenue goes into the general fund. We won't be able to do that unless it is a separate fund where where we can track it that way.

So you're talking about creating a budget that's basically going to be two line items. One one line that shows revenue in, one line that shows expenses out versus just that's just extra account. That's an extra fund that we would have expenses to maintain at the bank versus just showing it this way. You've got $90,000 in projected revenue in, you've got $40,000 of expected uh expenses out related to the things that we're responsible. 90,000 spend 50,000.

Yeah. But where is that 50,000 going? It would go into general fund reserves, right? But then then at then that 50,000 that's going into general funds can be spent for whatever, right? It's not specific to seeing how this particular asset maintains for itself or starts to grow. Same thing as the golf club. The golf course, keeps its own money, spends its own money, and we can see and they were able to see when they went to where they were making more money than they were spending and maintaining that facility. Well, I I understand that. Um,

I'm just trying to make itus Char, you said it earlier. I just want to make sure I understand. This new 40,000 for maintenance repair to clubhouse, you said that's showing as revenue in some. So the revenue, you've got revenue in shown at the top under the restaurant license fee of $90,000. Okay. And then expenses related to the clubhouse, which would be for us per the contract strictly the HBAC of $40,000. That's what that 40 is. We used to pay for that with H.

Yes. So we moved it out of H tax and moved it to here to show that comparison that the mayor was requesting versus revenue in on general fund because the revenue coming in on the license fees doesn't belong in hax because that's not h tax money. They have they pay hax to us that will be in the hax revenue, right? But this is just their license fee. And obviously as the rent abatement schedule declines, decreases, goes away, however you want to say it, then obviously that revenue line item is going to go up. As they hit certain thresholds with events in the Glenn Center, that's going to go up. So, we we forecasted for 90,000 just based on the minimums that they have to pay, but they could go up higher based on the events because that was what was that percentage? um I forget it's but it's capped. So um so we took the minimums on that plus what their rent would be and that's where the 90,000 comes from. Um I mean if if you want it shown in a separate spreadsheet we can do that.

I just want people to know that

of that the asset made $90,000 we're spending $40,000 of it. there was 50,000 left. We know that we are going to want to and need to renovate other areas. It would be nice to have that linear linear expense. This is how much this has made and this is how much we're reinvesting into the same asset without having to go without without it going into the general funds. It it should just stay within itself. So I I hear what you're saying in terms of wanting to know that something is paying for itself. The problem though is that if we create a separate fund that becomes a restricted fund. If this asset star is doing so well that it can help support other things in our community then we can't then we can't pull it away from itself.

Well I think I well but I'm we we voted to take funds from golf to pay for other things like to pay for the painting of the outside of this. Yeah, we take right now we're taking $350,000 from golf every year to pay for bonds. I wouldn't call it a restricted fund. I think No, it's not restricted. No, you can you can move monies from one funds to the other.

It sounds like though what they're offering is I I would be more comfortable with a more detailed breakdown to be able to see where it is. I don't I just my concern is is that if we start breaking things down into these things is you do run into those hitches though where it becomes more complicated unnecessarily to the point that you don't have the flexibility you need in certain situations to use the money like that's why you use a general fund. I've worked with other budgets that are much smaller than this, but the minute you start subdividing things out, it turns so messy that then suddenly you're like, well, wait, now we're trying to shuffle. It's I personally don't have trouble tracking that. Like, I can show a spreadsheet every year

and I I can follow the spreadsheet. I can I can follow this to say, you know, we got 90,000, we got 40, we used $40,000 of it, 50,000 went into the general fund. For me, it's more about, you know, going back to impact fees, we we get all these impact fees. What's the tracking of it? Is the accountability? This came in. This is what was spent in this is how we spent it. It doesn't go into a general fund where then we're we're looking at how are we going to come up with an additional x amount of dollars to do this project because then it's already funded. It's it's it's an asset that is taking care of itself. Um, I I think it makes sense.

So, you're restricting that cash. I'm not I'm not restricting it in that that's the only thing that it can do, but I think that it's a way of visualizing and seeing how we have not made any money on this on this asset. Nope. Since it started, there's an opportunity that now we're going to see a different turn of that. I would like to be able to see at what point does it start to make itself better, self-fund those improvements. I think that that that is something that we we should be able to track and see, but we're not going to be paying for any improvements any any of the improvements to the clubhouse and whatnot. That's that's

I'm not talking about those improvements. I'm talking about the things that we do here. I'm talking about the fact that landscaping on us the outside. That's golf. Okay. We don't touch that. We have to paint. We have to take care of the air conditioning. We have to take care of roof. There's been other expenses that have come up that the city has has taken care of. Whether we do that going forward, probably not. Um we have all this lower level stuff. And again, it's it's not a whole lot, but we're not making a whole lot to start with either, right? It's $90,000. What's

for this year? Yes. But there's an opportunity for it to go higher. I I do think that it whatever comes out of that that rent should be what is used to take care of this building. We'll have a line item that is lower than what we're expected for the revenue. We will possibly have a little extra money that goes into the general fund. And if we need to use that money to do anything for the building, I think we can still do that. I don't think we need to separate it to have a separate line item for all that stuff. I understand what you're trying to you're trying to say and what you're trying to do and I but but we will we'll watch it and we'll see what's going on, but we don't need to separate it like that. It really is.

Well, say it'll show it that that increase will show up in this chart and then I think what Bob's offering to then like what some of the departments have done give us the more detailed spreadsheet that breaks down those show you that line. I I think that's more what we're I think that's more what we're getting. I think the language though is implying that you want a restricted fund which create a whole other host of problems potentially down the line is what I'm concerned about. I mean other than even restricted we don't have no coun council has the ability to move funds from one fund to the next and the extra money that we make from from the license fees we can go off and utilize anywhere we want go to the to the facility painting do whatever we need

and then we al we also have the line item for the maintenance and HVAC and all that kind of stuff so it's there yeah you're uh the the 40,000 is HVAC and elevator. I forgot we also have the elevator. I want to get back to why did we switch from using HD? Well, part of it was to try to accomplish what the mayor's talking about to where you can see it in one fund, right, from the tracking standpoint and it frees up $40,000 from H tax, right? But if I look at the events thing, it's going to and that's not tonight, but I got a lot of problems with that. It's going to, you know, marketing.

So, well, and I know that's for Monday night's conversation, but the biggest increase on marketing is the new federal requirement that our website has to do the ADA conversion. So, that'll be a onetime expense, but that is that's the the big uptick on on the marketing side, but we'll talk about that more. I mean it almost lines up a 40 grand increase in expendre

I don't know I would say that wasn't intentional but I understand what you're saying I understand what you're saying but we can dig more into that on Monday why are we using it why aren't we using it for this is our biggest tourism so One of the things that tried to be conscious of uh as we were putting the budgets together, it actually stemmed from a conversation um from last year from you is being able to free up more Hax money to go towards the Kaba Park bond.

That that was a goal that we had. So we knew it was going to go up by 24,000 just because in change because of the Randy Field lights uh that that bond or that not a bond that note being paid off, right? So looking ways to have more of the H tax money being able to go towards that bond as much as we can. Moving this 40 grand goes out. Now, the ADA upgrade that we have to do that we have to have Civic Plus do uh next fiscal year, that's a onetime fee. It's not a reoccurring thing, they're happening at the same time. Um, you know, so the freedom to help cover that. It does in theory. Yes, I would say it does.

Yeah. on the market. You say 40,000. No, no, overall overall he's talking about overall expens. That's a Monday conversation. Yeah. Yeah. I was just trying to I think that to Tom's point if H tax funds are being freed up because now we we're going to be using garrison funds to

cover building. um then it makes sense to have those funds be allocated towards the bond payments or to something like the an ADA expense, you know, things but not necessarily added to more discretionary events and it it's it's got to go. It's got to make sense. We can't free up money in one place to go spend it freely somewhere where it isn't taking away some of our debt or it isn't taking care of a major project that we would have had to do anyway. Um

we're going to use this facility.

Not doing any bills. I'm just making up billboards. Um, so ba b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b based on this conversation and in preparation for Monday's conversation, we'll put together a comparative analysis to to help with that conversation as far as looking at what monies were going where, especially out of H tax and whatnot related to bond payments uh from prior years to what we're forecasting for this coming year. We'll we'll we'll put some numbers together and put you analysis together and uh be ready. Yes. I did have two questions about the project study. Okay. Yes, sir. Yeah. So, we just did one, right? How long?

2022. Uh, best management practices is to update those every five years. When did we do the one? Uh, that one was seven years out. I remember you said

correct which it well it's not putting down carpet. It's ripping up the tile and the carpet and putting down uh LBT similar to what you see in the clubhouse and what you see behind the the day is here uh to freshen it up and to repaint. So, we'll be getting rid of all the old furniture in there minus the the cart tables that you our bridge groups and things like that use. Um, but it'll be taking out all the other all that old furniture that's very heavy, not very comfortable. Do what now? Based based on quotes that Tim's been able to get. Yes. 30 say it's from the 50 remaining. There you go.

You absolutely can. Now, if if if approved by council, you know, obviously you won't vote on it until May, right? But and and I want you to hear what uh what Bob the plan that Bob has come up with to be able to fund things, right? Um that you know these um like the hearth room um would be uh in non-EP departmental it would show up in that capital projects lineup. uh or we could just add it to the 40 grand either way. Right. So it would be it would be in the general fund, but it doesn't matter whether it's in the capital projects line item or in the maintenance and repair. It could it could be the place.

We never is that tonight? Are we talking about the truck? No, that's on Monday night. That's on Monday night. Part of that's going to be discussed here in just a second with Bob as an overall funding plan. But on those on those specific things, those those needs and and whatnot, that'll be on Monday night as we discussed TE cut and storm water. Ready? All right, Bob, tell them the magic. Basically, with the original budget that was passed 842, 929, which we're now at 792

Exactly. We're taking $50,000 for wildlife management. Make it 792929. I plan on paying off the capital lease to the 883 that you requested we try to do. I'm going to do that which takes the payments of the capital leases go away on the general fund by 140,000. The new figure becomes 932 929 and then I take the capital projects out of 200 makes it 639,929. I think common would like a capital project fund. We talked about that capital.

Yeah. Put aside items down the road. The capital 300,000 put it aside classified as capital project and then 300 what's left over is 33929 which I would put into contingency. Okay. And then we take out a new capital lease for the items that are listed here for 493,000. Exactly. Plus all the other Monday night will be 493,000 which I would plan on paying again next year if the budget can do that.

Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. The general fun the general fund portion will be fun 4931 100 exactly

and total and that's that's for the the things if you look maybe hard from where you're sitting but if you look at the uh at the screen the 493100 is going to be these items here in white attributed to general fund. Okay. Uh and then um now 493100 is not going to get us a very good interest rate because it's such a low amount on the borrowing. banks like it to be north of half a million dollars to get get that interest rate down. So on top of that, you would we would bundle it in a package to the bank uh with the TCUD and the um and the storm water if council approves, but the general fund portion would only be the 493100 and then TCO would be responsible for its part of the note. Storm water would be responsible for its part of the note. But again there would be no financial impact for the coming fiscal year because it's payment in one year in a rears. We have 7.6 million in the bank 500,000 7 million1 adding 339,000 to it. I'm saving on the capital lease payment of 140,000. It's a nobrainer. We're going to have another

we'll have another capital lease which we would then look to pay off in the 27 28 fiscal year next year that hopefully looking to do the same thing next year if our budget looks okay no not yet my first payment is January

I would pay before January before the first payment I do I'll take 500,000 the general fund money because the storm water and t involve too but it will only affect general fun $500,000. Okay. And the more we borrow, we get a better better interest rate too. So then we will still have carrying a one cap lease. We will pay that off. We keep on doing that if we can.

So can you write all this out? Yeah. So we we will I can um tomorrow I can put these. So, right now, you in my commitment to you guys was I wasn't put anything new in the general fun. We're going to set it set it aside as as we've done. We can move those things over and everything that Bob's telling you about. So, the bottom part of your screen where I'm showing Yeah. It's actually north of 7.5, right Bob? Is 7.6, right?

So, that those bottom numbers, what we'll do is we'll update those based on what Bob is is saying and then I'll put this whole back into uh Dropbox for you. So then you can you can see those numbers in black and white with what Bob is talking about. Yes. Because then because as we've said as we've gone through the night those vehicle leases that has appeared in each department, right? They go away. Those go away, right? And then you're going to show that payoff and in Bob's plan. We can we can show that to you on on on the spread on these spreadsheets and upload that in the general fund tomorrow. It maintains by $7 million in bank plus 7 million to what still

what was the 140 that's capital lease payments general fund has 140,000 of that payment is capital and those will go away in the land it 140,000 capital items just add it back take that away because I'm going to pay it off that payment will not be made so that 140 is going to be added to it goes into your bottom line. So that's another 140 that we could add to the 300. That's going to No, that makes that gets it up to the 300. That gets it up to the 300 for the contingency contingency. 300,000 capital projects fund and put the 339,000 in another

general fund. So after all this the the surplus in the general fund is what over expenses 300 somethingous thousand that's what I thought. Okay. Got it. And I know well you're including the capital. He's just talking specific to general fun. Yeah. 339 but I would open another account just to start that ball rolling there. Hopefully we can do that every year.

Okay. So that's what I was asking. That 140 is going to our contingency fund, not our capital improvement fund. That 300,000 is se is a correct is separate. Okay. Got it. So we would still have an over 300,000 contingency that goes into reserves and an additional 300,000 capital improvement. Correct. Yeah. So your your bottom line is going to look would end up being 600 plus to the good. 300 of that at the end of the fiscal year, Bob would transfer. It would create a new fund in our uh in the local government investment pool right down in Colombia.

And that would be specific for the capital reserve fund and the rest of it would go into the general reserve fund that's also with the investment. Thanks for rates are 3.6%. That's not too bad, is it? Question. I know we're not talking storm water, but the storm water. That would be part of the lease. It would be part of the lease, but storm water would be responsible for that. He's going to put storm water. They already have two. One one's coming off. One's coming off. We're going to pay off that lease. Yes. In addition to the general, so they'll just have the We took $883,000 capital le

works out perfectly. Yep. The winning part is putting the 300,000 capital improvement fund together. Absolutely. That's something new that we have and something that it's easy.

And something that I had shared previously with the mayor, you know, y'all y'all saw the four-year CIP, right? And building a that that CIP fund, you know, we'll call it that takes time, right? So that 300,000 and you know, the goal would be to be able to put 300,000 plus every year towards it. That's to build towards those expenses in year four and beyond, right? It's it's hard to to build a fund in one year and have it pay for the things in that in that year starting. So, we want to build that and keep building on it for those future years because next year y'all are going to get CIPs that anything that's not funded this year, right? It's just going to bump back a year, right? And then we're going to add that that that next year. I think it went out to what 2930

or Yeah. So next year when y'all see it, you'll see uh 3031 column added to it. And that's what we'll do every year going forward is add that next year so that way it stays as a four-year plan. Obviously the I like that way if we do have to punt push some something off here. We've got we can plan. Well, it allows instead of constantly punting those things like that big turn lights a turner. Eventually you hit the point where that fund has enough you go now. Okay. So, we can we can update this uh general fund sheet tomorrow.

Um and then we're not going to make any changes on the T cut and storm water and those other funds, right? We'll just do the general fund portion and then we'll uh re-upload that uh tomorrow into into Dropbox. That way y'all got it uh through the weekend and everything and then uh we'll reconvene. We can reconvene on Monday night. What's interest? 3.56. Oh, it's 3.65. No, 3.56 was the latest. Okay. 3.56. But that equals Yeah. What if the loan's more than that? Pardon me. What if the loan%?

Yeah. The interest rate. Yeah. doing doing this plan really it takes the interest rate whatever that may be on the loan takes it takes it as long as we pay it off as long as we're able to pay it off correctly like I said if we borrow capital maybe a million dollars the more we borrow the better the interest rate I've been told that by the banks if they if I went to for $500,000 most work this accounting voodoo I love it

likes to say he finagles the bagel. Not sure what that means, but I don't ask. Uh, yes. Um, any other questions on general fund statements, issues, concerns, general fund. All right. We'll work tomorrow to get this updated uh and get it reloaded up into Dropbox so you can see exactly in black and white what Bob's talking about. And uh we'll um we'll work on that analysis uh on the HAC stuff. Um before Monday night's meeting um and and have that ready for for discussion as well.

And I just want to say thank you for all of those individual department spreadsheets that got loaded up so that as we were having those discussions to both have the main one. I just I wanted to give a shout out to the department heads because I know how much work goes into stuff like that. But those were so helpful to be able to pull over and tab over and so say, "Oh, I'm looking at this line item, but now I can see what it breaks into." I really appreciate that. Let's let's finish up with our council comments real quick. Go ahead. No, I just like to thank uh you know echo that just thank you for the department heads to put for putting all the time and effort into this. This is really helpful for us to be able to see more granularity uh both the big picture and drilling down into individual line items. Much appreciated. So, thank you. Thank your staffs for the hard work as well.

Yes, please. Um yeah, absolutely. Thank you everybody. Um good discussion this evening and uh glad we got this part done. Yeah, I've already done my bit. Thank you. Echoing everything that's been said. Yeah. Thanks to all staff. I know it's late, so I won't say no more. Appreciate it. I have about a 15 minute speech. Yeah, you guys did a great job. Motion to adjourn. You cannot make a motion. Second. I have not asked for a motion. Robert's rules, baby. Robert's rules. All right. Can I have