Town Council - Regular Meeting

This conference will now be recorded regular town council meeting of March 10th, 2026 for the town of Surai Beach. Please stand as we begin with an invocation offered by Pastor Mary Teasley of Surfside United Methodist Church.

Thank you. Let us pray. God of grace and mercy, we gather in gratitude for the privilege of living in this beautiful place and for the opportunity to serve the people of our town. We're grateful for the day that you have given us and the good work that is ours. As we enter the season when we anticipate the arrival of guests to our town, let us be mindful of their needs as well as the needs and concerns of our constituents. Remind us that we are stewards of your authority. Guide us to be the leaders your people need. Renew us with the strength of your presence and the joy of helping build a community that is worthy of you. We ask these things confidence in your goodness and love. Amen.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I thank you very much. I'll move into item number three on the agenda. Motions relating to the agenda. Are there any? I we have none. So we'll move on to minutes approval. Mr. Mayor,

Mr. H. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of the February 24th, 2026 regular meeting and minutes and also the February February 26, 2026 use workshop minutes. Second. Is there any discussion, Mr. Mayor? Uh, Mr. Coleman. Uh, yes. On the workshop, it says I was absent. I was there. She gave you a new I gave you a new mask. She revised it. I was I didn't that's your you have a new set of minutes. So uh you were here for the meeting it said it was absent but the new one says that you

workshop not I think the workshop workshop like that it also revised absent yeah has him down as absent but has okay so it changed Mr. Law horn and Mr. Co statuses. I was double hair goose. He said I was not. Yeah, we both have the same color hair, but I'm nice to be nice. Yeah, okay. So, um we'll need to change our motion.

Yeah. You want to you want to amend the motion? I amend the motion that um the approval of the second item goose workshop minutes is uh uh based on C council member Coleman being moved to the present list of members at the workshop. Indeed. I thought you were absent. What has got me is present. Oh, and you're absent. Okay. And second,

Mr. Law Horn is moved to the absent list. So to make that clear, Sherry, it's council member Coleman to the present list and council member Law Horn to the absent list. Second. Any other discussion? All in favor? I

opposed. None. Motion carries and minutes are approved as amended. Item number five, public comment relating to the agenda. Any public comment? I think Gary White Gary White, right? I just got a comment and I didn't notice it on the wood shop was on here, but I went to the wood shop and throughout the whole thing they said a lot of things, but I talked to people afterwards. Nobody talked about um the permit that the town get a permit removing eggs where possible because I felt we should control the population. We can do a lot of things to prevent the heat from coming on our properties but we really should also control the population and I think I just hope that that's in the uh when you talk about it. Okay. Thank you, sir. Any other public comments?

All right, we'll move on to item number six, communications. Uh, Chief Mikl, you got another new guy? We do. Town Council, thanks for having us.

Want to introduce our newest officer, uh, Chad Bosserman. Uh, Chad just recently hired. He uh is in the special basic. He was a certified officer in Pennsylvania. So, we're just getting him certified here in South Carolina. Uh Chad comes from I think was born in Iowa, raised in Maryland, went to college in Pennsylvania where he got a bachelor's in criminal justice and that's where he met his wife, I believe. And then he had a decorated career in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Did 20 years there, retired. I he think did like 15 years in investigation, mostly property crimes. Um came down here, lived close by, came and talked to us and decided he wanted to be a part of this team. So we convinced him to come aboard. Um and he's married, two kids, adult children. Uh his interests are obviously working out and uh and uh spending time with his dogs and his wife at the pool. So, uh, he's living a life down here. And I know I say this all the time lately, but this just another example of the talent and the high standards of people that want to come work for this town. He's just another example of that. We're just so excited to have him here. Can't wait to see him on the street. Thanks for coming.

Thank you. All right. Thank you, Chief. Item 6B, the budget retreat information. It says me, but I'm going to turn over to Mr. Vincent it say what's going on.

So an update we have is uh we know through IT specialists that we can provide the visual at the holiday end. We're going to meet with the holiday in uh Wendy Foster on Monday to see about the audio. So right now we still got it scheduled for the holiday end but if anything comes up we'll definitely change it to the civic center but we feel confident after our meeting Monday that we can provide audio and visual for the retreat. So, my my understanding is that they have roomwide microphones that can pick up from any any point in there. We're just going to check that out.

They've got the audio u Bluetooth in the ceiling and they've got several different microphones. So, she says they can pick up from anywhere within that room. Okay. Any any other comments or questions or regarding the uh budget retreat? We definitely can get the audio. Is that what you're saying? We can definitely do the visual. We want to make sure we can capture the audio. Just made it sound like you have all the microphones. Well, we didn't know that until the day. Okay. So, that's why I'm going to visit on Monday.

Test it out. Basically, the budget is uh April 9th, which is on a Thursday. We got another month to figure it out. Probably about two weeks because we better make a decision by then. All right. Anything else on the budget retreat? All right. We're now going to move into a presentation from Ory County uh waste manage solid waste authority uh assistant director Ed Mah, director of operations. Right. Oh, I am the assistant executive director. Our director of operations is Stephanie Todd. Okay. Our executive director, Danny Knight, and two of our board members, Dr. Haywood and Bo Ives, are also here.

Thank you. They're making sure that I do what I'm supposed to up here. So, give them a good report card on me. Good. Yeah. Yeah. We got to watch these ones. Don't pay attention to those folks over there. Hey. Hey.

Yeah. It's going to be a long night. I'm going to make this just as fast as I can. So, uh, Mayor Krauss, members of the council, yes, tonight I'd like to give you a brief update, uh, about what we're doing out at the Ory County Solid Waste Authority. This involves every municipality, every business, every resident in the county, and what we're trying to do to protect the resources that we have available to you that you use every day. Um, tonight real quick, I'm going to go over how decisions have been made over the last couple of years, where we're at right now, and what the plans are going forward, so that when we get into the implementation phase, everybody will be well aware of how and why we've gotten to where we're at. Okay, just to give you some background, um, back in 2010, there was approximately 270,000 people living in Ory County. If I put my glasses on. Yes, look at that. 270,000. Um, last year the number was a little over 400,000 and by 2040 we're projecting 629,000 people. Now, why do I bring that up? Well, every person, every business, every addition that's made to this county also brings with it some of those things that we manage every day, and that's the waste and recycling products that are brought into our facility. Um, in addition to those population numbers of permanent residents, we also have the 18 million people that visit the Grand Strand. That's another 50,000 people every day that live in Ory County that add to the waist stream that we have to deal with. And so when we talk about how much waste that equates to, let's let's just take a step back and go back to 2010 and we processed about a little under 400,000 tons in that year with that many people. Back in 24 when we had the 400,000 people, we did almost 600 564,000 tons. And by 2040 when we're over 600,000 people, we'll be processing

nearly 800,000 tons of material every single year. That's a lot of waste and recycling that's going to have to be processed. And so we have to be mindful of the resources that we have right now. the landfills that you bring your materials to, the CND, which is construction and demolition material. That includes just those materials plus the bulk waste, couches, chairs, furniture, things of that nature. And then the MSW landfill, which is municipal solid waste, that's your typical household garbage. Both of those facilities are in place and are used every day, but we try to do things to reduce the amount of waste that goes into those facilities because the more that we can divert, the longer those facilities will last. And that's our goal. We have a finite amount of space. So the better that we can recycle and do waste reduction and those sorts of activities, the longer those facilities are going to last. And that's to the benefit of everybody in Orange County. So real quickly, just some of the things that we're doing. We have a CND recycling facility which we process over 15,000 tons of wood, rock, brick, rubble, plastic, those sorts of materials. We recycle nearly 30,000 tons of concrete composting. We do almost 40,000 tons. We do 30,000 tons of typical curbside recyclables and over 4,000 tons of tires. In addition to that, we've invested in a shredding operation. That shredding operation handles approximately uh 29,000 tons of material. Now, that material still gets disposed of, but the volume has been shrunk now by 70%. So, as opposed to putting couches and mattresses and chairs and those things that really don't compact very well, we shred them, reduce the volume by 70%. And over the course of the next 5 years, we anticipate about a six to eight month savings in airspace. That's almost a year of extra time that we have because of the shredding operations that we're

doing. shredding, diversion through recycling, reuse. Those are all things that we do to protect the landfill, which is an asset for everybody that's in this room and elsewhere in the county. So, let's talk about timelines because this is where it gets critical. In 2011, the NSW landfill, your garbage landfill, based on the way we're projecting population and tonnages right now, it'll last till about 2050. 20 51 somewhere in there. Our CND landfill, our class 2 landfill is going to close in 2029, not 39, 29. And that's real important because if it closes in 2029, what do we do with the material? And that's why we're here tonight to talk about the decision process that we've gone through and why we're asking for the help that we're asking. give you an idea of one of those decisions. We we talked about, well, what if you mix those materials inside your MSW facility? You don't just take when that landfill closes, just put them in this one. Well, that's fine and well, but now your 2050 landfill turns into a 2040 landfill. And when that landfill is gone, there's nothing left in or county, and you'll be hauling waste about 100 miles away to the next available facility if you're lucky. And that's an excessive amount of cost for a municipality for the resident who's going to pay their hauler or through their taxes for the services that they receive at the curb. So just to give you an idea of the decision process that the board members here, our staff and everybody went through, we said, "All right, well, let's just stop taking class two weeks. Leave the couches at the curb. Leave mattresses at the curb." When I worked for Myrtle Beach, I swore there was a mattress season because when the when they did the change over at the motel, there was you could walk down the street

and be a wall of mattresses. I couldn't imagine not accepting that material. So, we said, "No, that's not an option." Again, we could co-dispose the material, put it in the class 3 landfill, but then your landfill runs out in 2040, and now you're in a real jam because now you got 800,000 tons by 2040. What are you going to do with it? Or you could develop a transfer station. You could start now and start to haul. And if you did that, you go about 100 miles to the next available landfill based on the 165 to 70,000 tons of that material we generate every year. And you triple your disposal. So right now, I believe last year in 2025 approximately surf size disposal cost us was about $286,000. If we built a transfer station and had to charge you what we'd have to charge, that number jumps to $930,000. That's not a number that's made up. That's based on processing cost and disposal. Berkeley County charges $100 a ton for CND disposal. Spring Grove landfill, which is just down the street from there, charges 110 tons, $110 per ton. And if you go out to Lee County, it's the same thing. So, it's not just what it costs us to process, load, and haul. It's the actual disposal on the other end. and we lose all control. Once your material starts going somewhere else, you have no control over that disposal fee. And I believe that we've done a fairly good job of keeping the cost controlled here for the residents and businesses. And then we get on to the last selection. Why don't we find a site on our existing landfill to see if we can build more capacity to extend the life of our facility? And that's where we landed. We have identified three sites on the landfill site. the existing landfill site, two CND landfills that'll take us out to 2068. And then in the back of the landfill, there'll be

another MSW facility and that'll also take us out to about 2068. So instead of 2050, we're adding approximately 18 years of capacity on MSW and we're adding about 38 years of capacity for our CND waste. It'll be part of the lot after I retire that we have to worry about that this just saying.

So, the first phase uh that we're going to uh develop, site one, there's 75 acres of an overall footprint. And if you've ever been out to the landfill, which by the way, there's an open invitation. Anybody who wants to come out and do a tour, more than happy to take you out there. That includes the people in the in the audience except for you. Um uh and then within that 75 acres, there's actually 56 acres of footprint where the actual material will be disposed of. That landfill lasts about 19 years. Then we developed site two. And site two is back by the composting area where your yard waste materials go. That's a 93 acre site with a footprint of about 74 acres. And that adds the additional 20 years of capacity. And then as you go into the far back of our 1187 property, there's a 100 acre site, a little over 100 acres, um that'll have a footprint of about 60some acres and last us that 17 years that takes us out to 2068 or thereabouts. Again, a lot of these numbers are based on waste generation rates, our ability to keep recycling going and doing waste diversion programs so that we reduce the amount of materials that we put in there. Uh but mostly it depends on us being able to get through the permitting process that we're going through right now. So just to give you an update as to where we're at right now. Our first step was to go to the Army Corps of Engineers. The Army Corps of Engineers requires a permit process because we have some wetlands mitigation work to do and some restrictive covenants that we have to work through. Those sites going through the Army Corps. they were put on public notice and I believe you have in front of you a copy of the public notice as well as the alternatives analysis that I briefly just went over uh included those both of those documents uh were sent to the core or excuse me the the alternatives analysis was sent to the core the core in turn put out the public notice we have not to

this date received any comments back from the core we're waiting the public comment period ended on January 19th And so we were very hopeful that by now we would have at least got the questions so that we could begin to respond to the issues that were raised. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet, but as soon as it does, we'll be in the process of responding to all those comments and questions that may have been submitted. Um, fairly confident our ability to respond to those appropriately. We don't foresee many problems with that. Then once we get through that process and if we're fortunate enough to get a permit or approval for a permit, then our next phase will be to go to the South Carolina Department of Environmental Services formally detect dees will also have a permitting process. There'll be a design uh and and construction phase u will require um probably another four years on top of this existing process that we're in right now. So we're looking at one to two years hopefully less uh of co- disposal just because we're run we've run out of time and we have to do that. Uh so there will be a small window when we when we're co-mingling the waste materials but it is our hope that through the recycling activities that we're doing the shredding that we're doing and other things to divert waste that we'll be able to limit that to the very smallest extent possible. Then once we get into the dees process, again, that's another four years. Um, and that's, you know, the construction, the design, and all of the things that go with it. Then hopefully by mid 2030, we're going to be disposing of waste uh in our new cell. Uh then the next cell that will take effect will be some 17 years later. We aren't going to build all three cells. At one, you build one at a time. and the permitting process will be put in place at an appropriate time ahead of the the

time when the uh facility reaches capacity. Uh so, but for right now, our biggest hope is that we'll be able to get approval from the core, be able to move forward with our permit, get to the dees portion, get it constructed, built so that you have that resource available to you. Again, I I'd look at our landfill as a resource. It's a finite resource. There's only so many years that you got to be able to put materials in there. So, the more you can keep out, the better. But, it is a resource and it's something that in this county you should be very fortunate to have because there's 46 counties in the state. There's only 17 landfills. Nine of them are public. Eight of them are private. So, if you have a landfill in your county, you're you're you're very fortunate. And with that, I'll answer any questions that you might have.

All right. Um before we go into questions, obviously um anybody who's looked at our agenda sees that we've got a uh resolution of support and then a letter of support uh in addition to the resolution. So, um that's what we want to determine if we want to go ahead with those items or not. So, with that in mind, uh any questions or comments for Mr. Maher or any of the other solid waste authority folks? Go ahead. Go ahead. You're Oh, okay. Mine's a quick one. Okay. U funding sources. So, all this gets approved. How does that work?

So, we've already been talking it's probably going to be a bond situation and that'll be our funding. We we we have some money in the bank for closure and postclosure that we keep in there so that when it comes time when the facilities closed, we have enough re revenues once the once the big money machine at the scale shuts down. will have enough money to pay for that 30-year postclosure term. We don't have the money to construct this kind of a project and do those kinds of things. So, we're going to have to buy. So, in order to pay down the bond once once a bond is is it'll be a revenue bond and it'll be based on tipping fees. Okay.

And and we haven't figured out the math yet. There there may be a small increase in tipping fees uh to cover whatever those costs might be, but it's not triple. I mean, you're you're it's it's not triple. I can just tell you that right now there and and again it's based on the financing rate we get. It depends on the term and all those things. We don't have that information yet because we haven't got our information from the coreback yet to understand what those requirements are going to be. But as soon as we do, we'll be able to drill down closer to what those dollars are going to look like. Mr. H.

Yeah. I have two or three questions. Um, number one is what is the incentive for uh landfills outside of our county to take our trash? I mean, I wouldn't want to take theirs. So, if you're in the private sector, it's the almighty dollar. Bring it in, fill it up, dig another hole, start all over again. That's their process. That's their MMO. That's that's what they exist for is to make money. On the municipal side, you're right. There's some landfills that are municipal. hours. I don't believe Berkeley County takes outside county waste. So really the number of landfills you have may be even smaller than than what exists out there today. So we would have to go to a private

wouldn't necessarily have to u Three River Solid Waste Authority has already expressed interest in our waste materials. They have a canyon of a landfill. They they will have capacity for the next 50 60 years something like that. So they'd be more than happy to take it. The problem is it's 200 miles away. Another question I have is u regarding uh garden waste. You know trees, bushes that I understand is a great deal of the landfill. Yep. Placed in a landfill. Why don't we have a different plan to take care of all that stuff? Because it's biodegradable.

Well, we do actually. Uh we process I think let me I'll give you the right number here so I don't give you the wrong one. composting. Last year we did almost 40,000 tons of yard waste materials. And by that we I mean we shred it, we grind it, we win row it, we make several products. We make an enhanced compost which is includes food waste. We make a standard compost. We make a mulch and we process all those materials every day that they come in. So we're keep working to keep Oh yeah. The yard waste doesn't go from Orlando. Yeah. Yeah. Um, one last question is you said that part of their landfill is going to run out in three years. We're going to have to have mixed

in with another different landfill. Um, but I thought there was a 20-year plan that was required and I'm wondering why we don't have that 20-year plan.

So, the original 20-year plan that we had back in, let's see, three years prior, 2019. Let's go back to 2019. At that time, part of the plans for the landfill included once the CND landfill runs out, we're going to go and co-mingleled this waste in the MSW landfill. By the time we got to the 22 plan, three years later, the 22 plan, people sitting around and discussing the plan and the options that are out there, our board members talking through the decision process of what is in the best interest of the county, looking at the cost, looking at the environmental impacts. We decided that you know what that wasn't the right decision. The right decision is to try to identify property on site if we can't first. If we can't that's fine and then we'll fall back and we'll do either transfer or co-mingle and we'll have to wrangle with those decisions. But the decision was let's look first before we give up the ghost and throw the baby out with that bath water. We're going to we're going to make sure there's no time left that we're missing. Right. So we were able to we had engineers come in. They surveyed the property. There's certain restrictions that you have like you can't be within a thousand feet of a house and there's other buffer constraints and things of that nature and wiggled it down to these three sites and that gave us enough capacity that we were able to sufficiently cover the costs. It gave us enough time and it and it benefited everybody in the county as opposed to the coingle plan that was in place prior to that.

Okay, Mr. Mayor, are you okay? Mr. Sty, uh, I have a question. Uh, what's the percentage of recycling matter? Oh, did that question come from Mr. N? Yes, I I submitted a question. You can't do that. You can't do that. That's why you have public comment. Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure. Yeah, Miss Coleman. Um, I was going to ask about that. I was going to ask about recycle. Okay. All the recycle. Does it does it get recycled or something go into the landfill?

That is the number one question that we get all the time because there is bad press out there all the time from other places. Well, you just put it in the garbage. I will tell you. And if you come out for the tour, I'd be I'd love to have you come out there. Uh our our facility cost us 13 million when it was first built. About 13 million. And several years ago, we did another $3.2 $2 million investment to add uh air classification uh to add AI technology. And we have made major investments to keep that facility running as efficiently as we can. And month after month, we beat the national pricing. Our plastic prices are up, national prices are down. Our cardboard is secure. Cardboard's starting to soften in other parts of the country. Because we have such a good facility, we're able to move our material. Of all material that comes from our facility, only about 7% has to go to the landfill. That's how good we get it down to. And it's how good people like Surfside are doing with the recycling because if you bring garbage in, garbage goes out. I mean, it's what happens. But you provide good material. We're able to clean it up and and turn it into a sales item that we actually do. So, so yes, we come in anytime. We'll show you all the facilities and be able to show you how that is done.

The reason why I answer that question, ask you that question is because recycling program and every week I have a garbage bail, big garbage pail garbage. I have a big recycling. So half of it, well almost half is going to recycle. Mhm. And so if you there are other communities in Ary County who do not recycle. So if you got them to recycle, you'd probably knock out a third of your garbage. Why aren't we doing this? Do you want the real answer?

I want the real Listen, I'm from New York. I want the real answer. it. Um, so, and I will tell you just in my 40 years of experience, here's what happens. And this is the this is just the truth of it because I sit on a couple of boardies and we had this conversation not too long ago and I was sitting there and I kind of was shaking my head and they said, "What's the matter, Ed? What's going on?" I said, "Do you know that 40 years ago I was having this very same conversation we're having today?" And that's the problem. The problem with recycling is you can only get so much good faith recycling to happen. And that's that 25 to 30%. And that's where you'll be and that's where this state and this county has been forever in that in that range. The only way to get off the dime and we've discussed this adnauseium at my boards is there has to be another factor. A $46 per ton tipping fee doesn't really incentivize recycling. When I left New York, it was 120 a ton. You want to talk about how effective you can make a recycling at 120 a ton, it happens, right?

The other thing is uh legislatively. We've been working with the county trying to get some kind of a mandatory recycling program, whether that's starting with cardboard or looking at trying to get the haulers to provide more recycling services. Where where's a lot of the development happening? It's happening in the unincorporated parts of the county. And who services the unincorporated parts of the county? Waste management, GFL, private companies. They don't provide the service. So if they don't provide the service, we don't get the material. And that's and there and they're not some of the those are some of the problems. There's others, but that's really kind of the crux of where we're at. If those private companies do not want to get into the recycling, they don't want to provide the recycling do it.

Mhm. Then can't or county waste charge them extra? You come in, you got mixed garbage, you're going to pay extra money. It would have to be a discussion at the board level. Paul,

we got I mean, we have had these conversations. How do we do this? you know, how do we get the county involved and how do we get some encouragement to help get people the force to do it? And I hate to say force, but really it's what it is. But at the end of the day, rest assured that we are continuing to push that. Matter of fact, I have a resolution that we've got submitted to the state legislature recognizing recycling as the thing that's going to help us in this disposal crisis we find ourselves in. And please support recycling programs financially and otherwise across the state. and we've sent that off to the and it's already in it's gone through the House, it's been approved and now it's sitting in the Senate Medical Affairs Committee. So, that should be coming out soon and and that'll help spur a little bit of interest. Um, but once we get beyond that, then what's the next step? How do you make it work? How do you do the implementation? Those are the hard decisions and that's where we're at right now.

Well, and and that's a good point. But you're saying our population, we're getting so big, but guess what? Guess where these people are coming from? Mhm. They're coming from states that have been recycling for 30 years. They're used to doing it. Yeah. It's not a big deal to them. They understand the problem. They don't want to pay extra.

So, if you move in like when I did, I moved in uh I'm up off 544 and I had GFL because he was one of the guys in the neighborhood buzzing around. I dropped him and went to Resolve Renewable because he provided curbside recycling service. He was the only hauler I could find that provided curbside recycling services. So, I pay a premium, but I do that because my wife was putting empty milk jugs in laundry detergent boxes. You know, she would in my car every morning to drop them off and I I just had enough of that. I anyway, that's another story. But to say that the only company that I've been able to find it is the only one that provides the service. So, you know, if we could get some more support um in some of the other areas to get haulers to be required to pick up, that's another way to do it. I mean, right now they they just it's not in their financial interest, they say. So, they don't want to do it. Even though that the customer would like to do it, but they just aren't going to invest in the trucks based on couple hundred people that or thousand people or however many it takes to set up a truck and a route and everything else. And John will tell you that

Mr. Mr. Walls, just a couple of comments I made at League of Cities when you all did this Oh, okay. presentation. Uh we some of us attended. Um it it is amazing to me. Um as I'd stated there, I've got a friend of mine that actually has uh a recycle green waste business in West Virginia and they make all their customers pres. It's she cannot believe she is amazed when we just throw the newspapers in and the milk cartons and everything all in one bin 100%

and then John comes by and gets it and you guys take care of it. It's it's amazing and and I wish again just piggybacking on an area I wish we could get people in the county because I know my daughter lives out in the county and she brings stuff down. Yeah. But I mean because we no but we we want we want to try to save the landfill. We need everybody needs to try to do that because it's for years. Second question just for the record. Clarify between I understand I think most people understand what mut municipal landfills are. Okay.

But like a private would be green greenways. Yeah. No no it's the same thing. private landfill is a class three landfill, MSW landfill, municipal solid waste, and there are certain things that you can and can't take in a landfill like that. So, so for example, from time to time there may be a special waste like some contaminated soil or something like that. And if you want to know those kinds of answers, that young lady over there has all of that information to the tea. But generally speaking, a class 3 landfill in South Carolina, private or public, is generally a waste facility, a garbage facility. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. I I got a couple. Um obviously this all came about from the League of Cities meeting uh two, three weeks ago, whenever that was. And uh um so there's eight municipalities in Ory County. Uh, do all of them do some recycling or not? Do you want to you want to answer? All right. So, city without throwing anybody on the bus. So, without doing anything too bad. So, for example, City of Loris, City of Loris has a private contractor that picks up their garbage at the curb. Doesn't provide recycling.

Um, Myrtle Beach does because they have a hauling operation. North Myrtle Beach does. They have their own hauler. First side does because they have theirs. Atlantic Beach. No. Brier cliff acres. No prior contract. Um Aner Lord no Conway. Yes. So about half a little more than half. So the larger ones generally. Yes. Oh yes. Yes. I think even we're like the fourth largest. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. So that fortunately right the larger ones do and I think it's because they have the collection system. When I when I was running the city of Myrtle Beach for a while, um we had a really good program. We we collected as much material as we could. We converted things into the roll carts and that helped expand the amount of materials that we were collecting and and so yeah, they have they have an existing program. North Myrtle Beach the same way. Surfside. So, uh yeah, we get a good amount of materials from those. It'd be nice though if there was other opportunities. Now, I will say this, there are 25 or six drop offs. understanding 25 convenience centers scattered throughout the county for the unincorporated parts of the county. So when people drop off their garbage, they have access to co-mingled recyclables, cardboard and everything else that Surfside or Myrtle Beach would offer their residents. So there are opportunities for that and they do utilize it and about a third of the recycling that we process comes from those 25 sites. So,

okay. So, it's beyond the scope of anything we're going to do here at Surfside Beach Town Council. But if we wanted to uh extend the municipalities, League of Cities would be a good venue to do that. And if we had a uh a position that all eight municipalities endorsed, then it might be something we could take to the county and engage them in. So, okay.

Something else to think about as well, just we were talking about the sol management plan earlier. I should have mentioned this. Um, at at the 2022 plan approval, we all agreed that every 3 years was too often there. There wasn't enough changing in those three years to justify getting back together again. So, we stretched it to 27. So, in our plans, we've already had this in in process. In the fiscal year 27 that's coming up, you'll be getting notices. John will hopefully sit on the board again. Um, and we're going to pull that tech, that technical advisory committee again to look at the saw waste management plan, update it and get that information changed where it needs to be updated. And that might be another very good vehicle, okay,

to put in recommendations about how to get recycling going. That'll be an excellent opportunity for that.

Okay. Thank you. Um, so as I said at the beginning, the the uh point of having you guys come in here was to explain what's going on and uh give us information so that we could decide whether or not we we want to pursue this resolution and letter of support. Now, um we all know that uh we were contacted by an Ory County resident who opposes this and uh she sent a fair amount of information. I looked through it. Um, one of the complaints was you hadn't offered alternatives, but I I do see the alternatives analysis. Um, wanted to wait for the public uh comment period to be over and it is over. You're just awaiting the information. Um, I think it's and and she's asking us to defer the decision, but I think it's it's pretty easy to jump on the bandwagon uh to support Indiana Hooers if you want to after they've won the national championship. I think it's more meaningful if we decide to pursue it um to say army corps we support this we think it's the best alternative um if if there are reasons not to do it they will come back with those reasons

100%. Okay. So I don't see any uh any real danger in saying we had our support to it. So that's my point of view as we uh go into this. Any other uh questions or comments for uh Mr. Maher? I've got one. Mr. Hi. Um, could your board, if it wanted to, uh, refuse to accept any entities that don't provide recycling of say a minimum of 20% or something like that?

I don't believe we would do that. Uh, mostly because we have a flow control ordinance. So, all of the waste, all of the MSW waste, again, the garbage that's in the house is required to come to our facility. So, I don't I don't believe we would be able to say, "No, we aren't going to bring garbage in." Now the construction demolition waste the class 2 waste has the ability to go somewhere else if it wants to. U recycling also can go somewhere else if it wants to. It doesn't all come to us but th those things are not required to come to us. Okay. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Miss Shelby

um I don't want to phrase this. you have a cost and then when you recycle when you do batteries and you know turning into mulch are you selling that just like recycling plastic are you selling that? Yes ma'am. So what's the comparison there as the cost that goes to the residents for you guys to take our recyclable and then what's the volume that you make off of that?

Is is that going to help with the pricing of this new landfill? It okay. So this this is always the touchy answer for me because tomorrow it'll be different.

The markets change at the drop of you know what's going on in the Middle East. Guess what? Markets are going to go go crazy right now. Anyway, I say that to say this. Generally speaking, the materials that we sell out of our MURF, we make enough money to pay for the operational cost of the MURF. So we charge a zero tip fee. So that means every ton of recy every ton of recycling that you bring to us, you save $46 a ton because that material would otherwise be going into our MSW landfill. So in order for us to keep a zero tip fee, we need to hold back the revenues to pay the operational cost. We have about 25 temporary labors. We have six full-time labors. Again, the $13 million building, all of the things that go into operating that facility. Same thing with the yard waste. yard wasted. If anybody's been there before, you'll see a grinder back there. The grinder is about a million and a half dollars. Second week we had it, we run a piece of steel through it and we had to replace the drum. John, you know what that's like, don't you?

I hate looking at John all the time, but he's he's my compadre. He feels public pain like I do. Um, but anyway, um, so there are costs that happen throughout the year. What I can tell you is we try to keep those costs down. So, for example, on the yard waste, we charge a discounted rate on that as well. It's $22 a ton for yard waste materials instead of 46. We sell product uh the color mulch that comes out of our recycling facility. We sell it for $70 a ton. So that means like two pickup trucks is a ton. So that's about how much mulch? Now I know if you go to Lowe's, it's about $15 for a bag and you get two pickup trucks for seven. And it's beautiful red, brown, and black. And I will tell you the color of choice last year brown just so you know. And I see it's out there in your flower bed. So good choice. Good choice. But um and and we sell the other materials too. We sell the compost. We sell the other and those are revenues that we use to offset our cost of operation. I will tell you it is not a money making operation by and large. The things that we do partially are paid for by the tipping fees that come across the scale. Not always. when we had good years. The one year we did really good on recycling. Markets were through the roof. Everything was great. The next year we were borrowing money against the revenues we had made the previous year. So, it's always a balancing act when it comes to that kind of thing. But we would love for you to come down and look at our mulch and if you'd like buy a load of mulch and put it in the flower beds around Sai and all recycled materials right out. All right. Any others? Right. Thank you, Mr. Maher. I would appreciate if you guys stick around as we go through the resolution and and letter um in case there's any additional

questions. So, we'll now move into the business items. And uh this one has my name, too. So, um I'm going to just kick it off and say I'm making a resolution. I mean, I'm making a motion to uh approve the resolution 26-207 uh resolution in recognition of the need for the Ory County Solid Waste Authority to expand landfill capacity for residents and businesses within the town of Surfside Beach and also to approve the letter of support to the Army Corps of Engineers. You got that, Miss Badina? Okay, I will.

All right. Thank you. Um All right, I'll kick it off. Uh I think we we've heard the uh discussion the presentation from Mr. Maher. Um I already said what I thought about the uh inputs we got and uh I'm ready to go. Anybody else? I would like to say something. Go ahead, Mr.

H. I' I'd like to say that I looked at the citizen who sent us some uh material that was in opposition to this uh motion tonight and a lot of it was legal. I think I looked through about 90 pages. Um I'm not an attorney, but I note that she wasn't either. Um, one of the things that she complained about is that we're not publicly reviewing and properly preparing um, a solace waste management plan. In retort, I think that's exactly what we're doing. Um, I also know that it's really easy to condemn the efforts of others. It's really hard to struggle with and show leadership towards a solution. And so I'd rather support those that are working towards a solution than side with those that are uh just condemning. I also like to say that u uh in reference one some of the law was uh South Carolina code 4496 health which includes sanitation. And I noticed that there was a lot of protections in there for sites, landfills, water, wildlife, neighbors, etc. Um, and I guess I'll close by saying, you know, waste is an unfortunate and unpleasant byproduct of human life. Uh, we all wish it wasn't so, but it is. And we are making progress in how we handle it. and hopefully into the future we'll make better progress. Um, but our job here is to look for solutions for the future and that's what I think we're doing. So, I'm very much in support of this motion. Thank you.

All right. If there's nothing else then uh the motion on the table is to approve both the uh resolution and the letter of support as written. Miss Medina, will you call the role? Miss Bon, yes. Mr. Hyatt, yes. Mr. Lawren, yes. Mr. Walls, yes. Mr. Coleman, yes. Mr. Speedy, yes. Mayor Crafts, yes. Motion carries unanimously and uh both the resolution and the letter of support are approved. Miss Medina, I'll ask you to uh forward that uh letter to the Army Corps of Engineers with the res life resolution attached because it's referenced in the letter. Yes, when we sign it.

All right. Thank you. We'll now move on to uh item 7V, the second reading of uh the uh comprehensive fee schedule. I need a motion for that, please. Mr. Mayor, I'll make the motion that we uh we approve uh the second reading uh first reading, I'm sorry, of the or it is the second reading. I'm sorry. Ordinance number 260 998. There's present. Second.

All right. Mr. Benson, you want to just briefly summarize? Yes, sir. We're um on the comprehensive fee schedule, there's there are two rate changes. One deals with Morton Field rates. Um, and the reading is residents $15 per hour with a two-hour minimum and non-residents is a 30 U per hour with a 2-hour minimum minimum. Um, on the fishing fees, daily rates for standard is 14, king is $16, 7-day passes is $55. For standard, king is 75. But then for annual passes, standard is $200 and key is 300. This is the second reading.

All right. Any questions, comments for Mr. Benson? I have one. Mr. Hyde. Yeah, I just wanted to say would you please make certain that um there's signage on Martin Field that informs the public that the field is open for public use if it is not reserved. Um, and the second thing I'd like to say is I see that you changed the U rates to two-hour minimums, and that was my suggestion, and I appreciate. I I have my comment,

Mr. L. Um, on the um children under 12, um I maybe I missed this the last time, but can we make it clear that that's intended to be an administrative fee um as opposed to a fishing fee? I mean, we're we're not charging them to fish. We're charging We're charging for the for parish to administer the wristbands. You mean on the comprehensive fee schedule or what we publish that? Whatever you publish. I guess I can get what John Yeah. I' I'd like to make that as clear as we can because I've heard there's already some social media backlash about that we're charging kids to fish. We're not charging them to fish. I think the word administrative might confuse some people.

What whatever you think is the right word. I I really don't care. It' be good to just specify that we're not charging. Okay. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Sammy,

on that same subject, uh, most everybody, I hope, understands that the town has paid that $2 fee all along. That's something that's came out of the town pocket to pay that fee. This is just turning it back over to the parents who bring their children there instead of town paying that fee. It saves the town about $5,500 a year on paying it out of our fees of what we make it to Pierce. So, I hope everybody understands that this ain't something new. It ain't something we just added on. This is something that we just transferred back to the parents.

Any others? Mr. Mayor for sure. Um I also saw the social media and I I responded and I got some texts phone calls about this and once I explained it um they truly understand it. So the suggestion of clarifying with that $2 is I think would help go a long way. Thank you. All right. Then if there is nothing else, the uh motion on the table is to approve the uh comprehensive fee schedule as written.

Miss Medina, would you take the role? Mr. Stam, yes. Mr. Corman, yes. Mr. WS, yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Yes. Yes. Yes. Motion carries unanimously and the uh via schedule is approved uh through the second reading. All right, we will now move on to item 7 C's bait and tackle agreement. Um administrator Vincent, I'm going to ask you again if you want to have director Adair, I'll let you decide who's going to speak. Okay, I'll just go ahead and read the proposed agreement. Very good.

Um so with the the payment schedule, the feeding fees and passes. So um there there are five items there. So the town will will provide the wristband 7-day cards, annual cards, and the the card punch. Parish will provide a monthly accounting to the town of sales and remit the town proceeds. Perry's will collect data for um South Carolina dealer and the town will continue to submit required reports to South Carolina DNR. Paris will obtain handling fees per dollar, $2 per wristband, $10 per 7-day card, and $15 per annual card. And lastly, any required tax fees not paid by purchasers are deducted from the town's net proceeds.

All right. Thank you. Um, I should have asked for a motion before we went on, so I'll ask for a motion to approve that. You know what? I'll make a motion to approve Perry's bait and tackle agreement as presented. I can't take a second, too. Thank you. All right, we just heard from Mr. Vincent. Um, any other questions, comments? I have, uh, Mr. Mayor, I have question. If I could, please,

uh, help me understand this, Jerry. I don't like this statement, this last bullet point at all. any required taxes and fees not paid by the purchaser are deducted from the town's net proceeds. That was that was that was on the last agreement we hit and that was so if they failed to do to do some point of operation at Perry's at point of sale and he reports to us. I mean this is awfully open-ended. I don't I don't we're revising time. Thank you.

Yeah, Mr. Well, just so you all know, there's hasn't been one deduction since the peers opened, that language was put in there in the original agreement. Um, in case there was some sort of expense that he had to incur or some sort of a fee he had to incur, it would be deducted from our proceeds. But since we provide the wristbands and the cards to him and we pay the pier this annual license that we get from DNR, there hasn't been any deductions in two years that the pier has been open almost from what he's paid us. So, uh, that point is just in there, I guess, as a safeguard, but it's never been used.

I did my my point. So, give me an initial intent as to why it's in there. I did not create that document, the original document. Well, it's it's awfully open-ended, and I'm afraid when I look at it with my limited experience contractually, it it exposes the town. The language exposes the town to open-end whatever.

Yeah. Yeah, first of all, I don't really recall what the background was that led to the original negotiations or what that, but I mean, when we say any required taxes or fees, I mean, that's a pretty limited um range of items. So, I I think it was I think it was probably negotiated in there originally as um sort of a protection for Aries if there was some type of tax that wasn't considered by the parties originally. Um, again, that's I see your point, but just looking back on it, I think the intent your earlier question was just as a protection for him that if some fee was supposed to have been taken out out of this sale that occurred, um, then, you know, that was uh to be on the town and that was part of the agreement. So, that's that's why we have it in there now. Okay. So, so what's the I mean, is there is there any problem with taking it out?

No, I mean I don't what it sounds like over the last year or so there really hasn't been any of those um fees and taxes that have been Yeah, I'm com I'm coming with Mr. Walls. I would rather not. Mr. Mayor, if I could just further comment just keep the floor. I'm a little I'm a little uh just we're a little careful about contracts

going forward. We we've made some obvious mistakes in the past and and uh I'd like force not to have unnecessary verbiage within an agreement that that has no real intent. Yeah. Well, I think I think there was an intent, but in the since it's been since we've been in operation, I think that intent's uh kind of been minimized now since it sounds like we've not been made aware of any actual

aware now of all potential fees that may be incurred operating this pier and the fishing operation and uh and the town pays for whatever comes down the pike already, right? So he hasn't been um getting he's he hasn't got any bill or anything that he kind of paid and held back from us. So as far as I'm concerned, it's just there as a protection for him, but it it wouldn't wouldn't matter to me if it was taken out.

Okay. So I I wanted to uh get to this um two years of operation. We don't have it. It is specifically in the uh section under payment schedule fishing fees and passes. So it can only be related to fishing fees and passes. It's not if he didn't pay tax on some part of his business. Correct. It's this item, fishing fees and passes. And Mr. Donor here, I thought I saw him before. He's do you do you mind coming up and just uh letting us know what you were thinking? I assume you had that put in. I don't know.

It's hard to really recall why it was there to to begin with. I have to have to admit that on the on the front end. I think it was just it was uncharted territory. And I think for us, us and the town and and we didn't really know. I mean, we knew the admissions tax. We knew that we didn't really know what else there might have been. My my best of my recollection, it was just in there in case there was some type of fee or the town had some fee that wasn't accounted for, something that might not have been accounted for. Uh, at this point, I don't imagine that it'll come up. So, if it's of great concern to the town and and administratively it's not going to slow the whole process down, uh, you know, I don't have an objection to it being taken out.

I appreciate that, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Law, can I amend the motion? I was good. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead and do that right now. Go ahead. Okay. So, um I'm make a motion to approve the um the resolution between an agreement between um Dennis Surfside Beach and Perry's Bait Tackle for administration fishing passes on the fishing pier uh with the removal of the bullet under payment number four payment schedule talking about any required taxes. You want to absolutely second.

Okay. All right, we have an amended motion now. Um, before we and I thank you, Mr. Donor, for uh providing that information. Is there any other discussion on this? All right, with that in mind, the uh we just said it, but the amended motion is to approve this agreement with the exclusion of the or the elimination, I guess, of the bullet about any required taxes and fees. Miss Medina, will you call the role? Mr. Sty, yes. Mr. Yes, Mr. Yes, Mr. Yes, Mr. Yes,

yes. Motion carries unanimously and the uh new agreement is approved. We'll now move on to uh item 7D. Uh Mr. Hyatt, would you uh I'm going to ask you to make a motion. Um well, it's a business item, I guess. Not really making a motion at this point. It's almost like a discussion item. It's not a first reading. Miss Medina, how how is it best to proceed with this? We start with a motion to approve the intent to proceed to first reading. But it's not a first reading to proceed to first. Okay. Yes, sir. You you want to do that, Mr. Hay?

Sure. Okay. I'll make a motion to proceed to first reading on uh change to ordinances 352 as you're presented 353 and possibly and 354 as presented. I'll second it. Thank you. All right. And then go ahead. You you uh get the first term.

All right. Um, first on the papers in front of you, you might want to refer to them and I'll try to explain them. 352 on the first page has a lot of lined out items. I found this stuff kind of hard to understand. It uh had initials that I've never even heard of, entities I haven't heard of. So, I decided to cross most of it out or all of it out. And I added the following A and B, shortening the ordinance considerably, I hope. And those two A and B are down there. We can read them or you can read them yourself. I think would be faster. Um but if anyone wants me to go over them and explain them, I would.

I think we've read them.

Okay. And then and then uh we move down to page on this back second page 353 prohibited activity. And um the red underlined is not new. that is old and should be black. Um, and then the um 353 prohibited activity A is black, which means it's old. And then on the third page, there's several lined out items. And I've added two things, which is really the goal of this whole ordinance change. And the first one is B. No person may purposefully furnish food to wild waterfoul, including ducks, geese, and swans, seagulls, and pigeons within the town limits unless otherwise permitted by law or in the lawful furtherance of their control. And C, no person shall create or foster any condition or allow any condition to exist or continue which results in a congregation of such birds within the town's limits. I'd like to say about that that um I use the Ory County's um uh or own ordinance as a as a model. So, this is very similar to their ordinance. And their ordinance does apply to Surfside Beach. If we didn't have our own ordinance, theirs would be the ones that apply. Now the third change is under penalties 354 and uh it's under A and the black means that it was the original statement. A person who violates the provision of this article shall be guilty of a civil infraction punishable by a fine of not more than $200. And then I'm added each and subsequent should be read as well in fraction shall escalate the initial fine by $100 to a

maximum fine of $500. And the reason there's a maximum fine of $500 is because the county um our our state law only allows us to uh issue fines up to the amount of $500. And then I will call your attention to item G on penalties. Violators shall not be subject to incarceration. I don't really want to change that. I hate to see people go to jail for feeding geese. But I also I'm very much aware that there's a lot of anger in this town by adjacent owners who are suffering uh not just uh the issues with having geese on or near their property but also substantial reductions in the values of their property. So u if anyone wants to add jail time the law allows us to add up to 30 days.

That's all I have. Thank you sir. Mr. M Mr. Walls, I did have a question with regard to uh John just do they really consider pigeons water foul? No. Um it's that this is a bird and water foul ordinance. Well, but it it has a water foul heading there and I just Yes. I I just wondered if the county did that, too. I struggled I struggled with that. We're I don't want to feed pigeons either, but I'm just saying

I struggled with that and I tried to make a difference when I rewrote on this on A and B. I think you'll see that I kind of separated the two and and item A on the first page. Um okay. So yeah, but it's under B that has the heading water foul that pigeons is listed and it's also falls, you know, it carries forward um on the next page under no person may purposely water foul including ducks, geese, and swans, seagulls, and pigeons. It's just I don't know. It's just a it's a very minimal.

Yeah, the water foul is the including ducks, ducks, geese, and swans. That's water foul. Then we go to seagulls which aren't. And then we go to pigeons which aren't. So that's how I separated it there. Yeah. Or tried to anyway. And I get it. That's just an observation. I didn't know if we should because I feel the same way about pigeons. But do we need to separate those and put them in a different place? I don't. Well, they can't be fed either. No. Mr. Mayor, you you don't? I am. Okay. Mr. Law, two things. one. Chief Mickel, have you had a chance to look at this yet?

No, it's first time. This is the first I've heard of it. I haven't provided any documents. I haven't been asked any questions. So, um I Okay, because my question was going to be, does this give you what you need to to I don't even really know other than what you just read. I've never seen it or talked about it. So, I know the town attorney and um administrator, we've had some informal discussions before about it, but never been. So I couldn't couldn't give you any comments at this time about All right. And then secondly, um I I have no issue with jail time. In fact, I would support that. You can make an amendment. Well, I think we can do that during the first reading, I would think.

Yeah, I'm done. Okay, Miss Sean,

I want to echo on that. Um what I see especially when I was the planning commission lison that these fines go out over and over and over and when does it stop? when do we so kind of that has in my mind that at to the point do you keep giving tickets out and you know I'd like to see the chief read this but I'm all about after the first fine if it's a repetitive thing I think it has to be jail time because I feel that certain people will keep doing this over and over and over. And I think we have to get a little um strict in this town to make a difference. Um we've had enough residents reach out to us

that they are tired. They are tired of the the geese waste in their yard and people can shake their heads and say, "Oh, no, that's not a problem." Well, we have Clemson in here and it is a problem. So I'm all for about jail time. Mr. Co,

I'm confused on this. You have a section 3-53 prohibited activity in red and you have lower section 3-53 prohibited in black and in some of it's in red. So I'm not sure what the real one is. the in 353. Can I answer this, Mr.? Yeah. Yeah.

In in section 353, the first two paragraphs that are underlined in red should be in black just like the third paragraph on that page. And then the red overlined on the on the next page is lined out. So, we got rid of that, added a new B, and added the new C. Okay. We're clarifi I'm sorry. Yeah,

because you have in the red the red red paragraph the first red paragraph in three dead 53 A right. I I don't understand why we have down here again in 353A which says the exact same thing but it's in black. So the exact same thing it says in the red. And then you go down to the You're right. That's a duplicate. Yeah. So, what what can I cross out so I can make head to tail? I think we can cross out the black one and pretend the other two are the two red ones are black. Good point. Cross out the 53 prohibited in black,

right? And then then you got you go get out of the black, you get into red, which is a lot of cost, but then you have red not crossed out. Okay. I I hate to interject here, but shouldn't we cross out the two red ones because A is correct and you you replaced B. So you you it should be red over here and you you have new red. So just ignore the two red ones and you have a B and C. Wouldn't that work? That'll work too. Okay, that seems simple to me. Just do that. Just do that.

While we're at it, I'd like to say something. Changing an ordinance is very difficult in this town because we don't have a system to allow us to get an ordinance into word so that we can change it. We have to use a system that's hard to understand. I I think this is word. This is not word. I I don't know. I uh No, this is not a word. Well, it's it's the markup version. It's But that's this is what the markups look like when I do it. I don't know. Um, but you still want the show. So, it's basically out through red back. That's what it looks like to me. Start with the black and it shows you what we're pulling out and then he put and put a C. Okay. That's how it looks.

I just It was a dupus threw me off too. Well, Mr. Okay. Um, yes. Question Mr. Hayatt's intention under the penalty section. I see where it's a maximum fine up to $500. Was he the intent to be up to $500 per fence? In other words, once you get $100 per offense, it gets its way up to $500 per offense.

Well, it starts out at 200 a maximum of $200 and then escalates with every next offense. The next defense would be whatever the judge did. It might be $100. It would go up a 100red to 200. The next defense would go up to 300 to a maximum of 500 and then it would stay at 500 from then on. Okay. Each each. Okay. I see each sub. I got you. Okay. I understand. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So, um Mr. Mayor. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. I just wanted to say then uh for Mr. Hyatt, would we now have a CND, sir?

Right. Would that be Yeah. He has a C. C would be no person may purposely punish. You're right. And then D would no person would stay, I think. Wait a minute. No, no, you replaced B with the no person may purposely, right? Yeah. So, no person purposefully is. Ah, thank you. And then that little copyright thing is supposed to be C. Yes. I just want to turn it. And I my my second point would be should we amend this request? This isn't a reading, but amend this request to go ahead and add the language with regard to not to exceed 30 days under G. I can do that.

I I would like to see incarceration added because this has been going on too long, too many years, and nothing's ever really changed. Okay. Are you you you're done now? I am done. Okay. I'm going to make a comment. I I support um the intent of this, but I don't think we're ready yet. Um I would like Chief Mikkel to weigh in more. And even Director Adair uh I realize officially at least isn't part of public works, but he's he's been dealing with these issues for 15 years. Did he he just left?

Okay. Well, then we'll definitely sign him up. I I don't know a workshop is necessary. Um, I think this is a big issue to tackle in a regular meeting because we kind of have to hash through all this. And I'm not trying to uh, you know, delay any more than necessary, but I really believe this needs to uh, be hashed out on its own and probably a workshop is is a better way to go in my opinion. And Mr. Mayor, I think staff would prefer a workshop. Okay. Any other uh, questions, comments on this topic? I got one comment, Mr. a lot harder. I just want to thank John for having the gumption to put this thing together, get it started because it's a lot of hard work and

I'm sure there's going to be a lot of targets, you know, coming a certain way. So, I appreciate you doing that. I definitely second that appreciation. Thank you.

Well, and and since we're coming, I'll add um I've been sharing with all the town council. Um, we get, it hasn't been like the crazy ones, uh, years ago when we got thousands, but we are now getting specific emails. And actually, it's fine if people want to write emails and they're from, we don't know where they're from. One was from uh, Indiana. We know that. Others say a frequent visitor, another says a nearby resident, but they all see a video on Tik Tok, which is a 15-second video of a goose that's in distress. no idea where it is, but it says boycott Surfside Beach on it. And you know, it's it's a campaign to just uh badmouth the town because we're trying to do something. And I've explained to several of these writers that we haven't even talked about depradation permits and you know, and they talk about illegally harming geese. Um, so there's a lot of misinformation out there and I think we need to step up to it and uh, you know, enforce our ordinances, take a little responsibility, maybe make it a little harder for the uh, geese to land in our ponds and come up in our in our yards. I think Martin Field, the whole park around there may be good uh, area to look at some planting some of the uh, tall grass and shrub stuff right on the uh, on the uh, Lakeshore bank. Yes. Um but but I think all of that can be addressed in a workshop and uh that's the way I'd like to go.

Motion that would be Mr. Hyatt's choice. Do you want you want to withdraw the motion or amendment to uh approve this to to for a workshop subject? Well, we don't really need a motion to go to a workshop. Then I'll withdraw the motion. Okay. But I think uh we can I'm requesting one. So and Mr. Vince's writing there. So, I think that's what he's putting down. All right. But I I I appreciate the effort as well. Um we need to get this off dead center. Okay. Um item 7E. We need a resolution for Chief ML.

We need a motion. Yes. Yes. A motion to approve. Mr. Mayor M. I'll make a motion that we approve resolution 26-208 equipment demonstration product testing and software evaluation agreement uh as presented. Thank you Chief Mickel.

Yeah, basically this is an agreement with um a vendor who currently provides all our traffic some of our traffic caling measures and radar and traffic information signs and radar trailers. uh they are at the final stages of of developing a mobile crosswalk. I think the uh technical term for it is rectangular rapids flashing beacon, but it's basically a cross it's two crosswalk poles just like you see, but they're on a card and we can put and they can we can create a uh a crosswalk where wherever we'd like. So, um, they, uh, contacted us and asked if we would be interested in being part of a pilot program. I think there's three other two or three other municipalities they'd offered it to as well. And they bring us the equipment, um, deploy it for 90 days. We give them supply them with feedback on the equipment and then they turn it over to us. We get to keep it for free. I think it's about approximately $15,000 worth of equipment. And so then we for free we would have a uh a mobile crosswalk and we would call it that and not a rectangular rapid flashing beacon or so. So we do have to enter into an agreement with them to do so. It's been reviewed by the town attorney and uh there's a lot there's plenty of legal uh protection liability protection for us. they they actually um claim all liability identify the town during the testing period and then when it's turned over to us you know obviously then it's our equipment we have to deal with it but uh but it's free and I kind of thought it was a no-brainer myself just to get free equipment and um I'll be working and I you know I told that too because that's they picked us because we have such our events and we're on the streets and

doing things and changing our traffic flow for these events and so they it would make sense for us to maybe use this mobile um crosswalk during this and so I'd be coordinating that or my staff can coordinate that with T and her stab and her staff and public works to deploy these and listen just safety equipment to make it

safer for pedestrians. Uh we can even deploy it on some of the existing crosswalks we have in town that do not have um the poles with the the flashing lights and the and the audible crosswalks. I know we do have in the summer there's a lot of traffic on those crosswalks that doesn't have that. So, we can even supple supplement that that safety on those crosswalk existing crosswalks as well. All right. Thank you, sir. Any uh questions, comments?

Mr. Mayor, Mr. Walls, one question I had was just Yeah. If you had any idea I like it. I like No, I was listening to music. Um, just where you were thinking maybe of deploying. Are you thinking maybe out on 17 or something more intimate in the community?

Again, that that would be, you know, probably not on 17, but maybe. It just depends. It's really mobile, so wherever there's a problem area, again, it's mobile. Yeah. We can move wherever we want. And I would really defer to my staff that's got the expertise in that. um Sergeant Camp will be putting together the events working with Tabitha to work with public works identify those areas that would probably be the best way to go. So um yeah just using it sir for different different as needed. Yeah. There you go. Sounds good. Mr. You done? I am. Yeah, Miss Sean.

Just so we can get ahead of the game, when the word free comes in, people get little itchy on social media. So, this is just approving the test period, correct? I think it's approving the contract and then once once the test period's over, then we retain it. So I you have to defer to the So we have people over here but I would think we could say that we can accept this free after the um the trial period is your question that we can accept a donate. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

Okay. Just want to get ahead of the game because you had a little hiccup. You that it that's it. Okay. Mr. Quick question. I think and I think I read it in here. Liability during the testing process and then ultimately if they they turn the stuff over. So liability in regard to damage to the equipment, liability in terms of somebody getting hurt. Yeah. They they are carrying a uh 1 million per occurrence, 2 million aggregate um general liability while it's in our possession for that 90-day testing period. And they name us as an additional insured in that. uh maybe we cyber immunity and it was reviewed by the by the county attorney. I think we're pretty well protected. So I think he agreed

if it if it ultimately becomes our property that we have to get insurance for ourselves that that's okay. Yeah. Well, just it'll go on one of as a capital um asset. Okay. On our insurance. That's my favorite. I just want So I had um you and I had a very brief conversation festival Saturday and we're already dealing with this uh Tapco company, right? Yeah. So um Tapco just bought out um traffic and control. Yeah, I can't remember their name. Well, that was Yeah,

but they Yeah, they bought them out and kept the same employee, the same. It was bought out by a bigger company. Um, but we've had an existing relationship with this company for a while. Like I said, we buy all our stuff from them now. We rent stuff from them during the Maybike weeks and other events. Um, if we need additional traffic signs and radar, the radar, you know, those mobile radar, okay, trailers we have, we move around. That's a traffic solutions in the company. Okay. Okay. And and they've been uh they've been good customer service, good we haven't had any issues.

And so because of that relationship and obviously they know us well enough that they know the events and all that that they think they will get good data, right, from us moving this thing around, right? So um and and you said your staff might know more, but think about the barbecue festival. Where might we have employed this in that? Any idea? Should we get Sergeant Camp up here? Put him on the spot.

Yeah, I would include it in the initial planning phase where we identify those things for me just to try to come up the top of my head. Wouldn't be able to do that, but if we can include it now in and you know, we do an operational plan before each each one of these events and include everybody all the departments in it. And so I think that would be the time to identify where this could go where we could funnel pedestrian traffic to make it safer. So if if we had, you know, we do have pedestrian traffic down at the pier, Ocean Boulevard. So let's say we wanted to put it there. Um if we let it go all night, and I don't know if we would, does it flash and make noises a lot that

my understanding it's just like a regular crosswalk. If you push the button, won't do anything till you push the button. Um, so if someone's going to push the button at two in the morning when there's no traffic around, it could. We also have control over we can shut it off. We can set the hours when it be operational, throw it out of there. Okay. I mean, we have control over it. Okay. And, uh, you already covered about the attorney review. Um, yeah, I think that's, uh, that's all the questions I have. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Cullen.

What kind of data are they going to get to? Um, I think they'll get data. Um, they have that right here. They're looking for it. It slows down vehicle speeds coming up to the crosswalks. Um, tell you that the cars are slowing down.

So, yeah, we could set up our radar trailer in conjunction with it. And that's what we would help them get the metrics to this. We set up the radar trailer somewhere near where we set this up. Um maybe do you know spend a couple days a day without setting it up and then another day to set it up. We'll have to come up with recovery metrics that makes sense but then we can gauge if it slowed vehicles down coming to crosswalks. It also records people as they go in and out. So um with traffic so if they if the be able to tell cars yield more with it or without it. Tell nobody stop for the people in the cross. What's that? They'll be able to tell someone pushes a button, right?

And they're crossing and it's only disregarding the crosswalk. Correct. Correct. And you have to push a button. It's just like just like regular crosswalk. It's just the same poles just on a mobile trailer. Has the flashing LEDs with audible tone. Others All right. And I think we uh have concluded. So the uh motion on the table is to accept this agreement as presented. Madina, will you call? Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Yes.

Mr. Wall. Yes. Mr. Coleman. Yes. Mr. Sty. Yes. Yes. Uh the motion passes unanimously and the uh resolution is approved. We will now move on to our last business item, committee appointments. And uh we've got two for the board of zoning appeals. And I think uh and and we have I'm sorry, we have one for the board of zoning appeals with two vacancies. So um I don't know if we want to have any discussion. I'll ask for a motion on this would be uh Miss Terry Lowour.

Mr. Mayor, is that possible that we just approve everyone on the slate or they're because I went through the names and I didn't find anybody that I didn't think should know committee. I don't have any objection to that. Um, they all look very qualified. Which one? Because the construction board of appeals, you have more people applied. We we do not. One one dropped out afterwards. We we had uh we had one reappoint and three new ones. There were four, but one of them dropped out. Okay. Okay.

And I just make a motion that we accept the slate of candidates for the uh committees as presented. I I would second that, Mr. Mayor. Okay. I just do I don't have to explain. Well, no. I mean, he's he's made a motion every second day. Um, do you want to make any comments, John? You have the floor basically because you made the motion. Well, I could just kind of go through, but I I did You don't have to.

I did a little research on everyone and um I found that I I verified some of their statements. I found their experience. Was it stated? Um, I just felt that all of them were solid candidates and that their applications were honest and so I don't see any reason why we don't just accept them all unless somebody has something else. Okay, Michelle, you want to you want to say something? No, I mean I'm fine. I'm good. I mean,

I I just wanted to ensure I guess because I guess mine's a little different um that the senior committee is made up of both residents, Surfside residents and outside of Surfside Town. And the numbers do match up right now. So, we could accept this. We're going to be at six. We have three in town and three um out of town. So, it aligns with the ordinance. So, we're still in case anybody has a question.

Miss Sean is being very polite. I asked, "Are we sure we can take this person who's from out of town?" And she said, "Yes." So,

that's how I knew she wanted to say something because I asked the question. So, um and and and since I'm going now, I will also say that um this construction board of appeals has been uh had three members for years. And of course, they never met. It was not a big deal. But, um when we did not approve a reappoint last time, that actually took them uh down. I think it's only five. That took them down to one. So that guy reapplied or another one reapplied and uh Miss Angie Poston, our permit tech, said, "You need people on the construction board of appeals." And she just started asking the builders uh and and contractors that were coming in the office, would you be willing to serve? And you know, it's kind of funny because we talk about committees here in these in this meeting fairly often. I put something in the weekly newsletter probably every other month. Uh Mrs. Maul posts something on the website and and also you know just brings up committees. But it just goes to show even in this day and age of uh of websites and social media and all that talking to people is the best way to get a response. All these people said, "Sure, I'll do it." And like I said, we actually got one other and he goes, "Oh, if you got enough, I'm out." But I mean, we probably could have had uh you know, several more if we needed them. So, word of mouth and speaking to people directly is definitely the way to go. That's all I got to say. Any other comments on on the people or the process or anything?

Did you want to Oh, no. I was just I was Mr. Mayor, if I could. I was just piggybacking uh on Miss Sean's behalf. That was the only question I had too as well. So, thank you for clarifying that. I wasn't sure what your balance was for resident and non-resident. I knew you could accept both, but I didn't know at what. We're at three and three. There you go. There you go. So, anyway, thank you for that. All right. And the motion on the table is to approve all the uh the whole slate of candidates as presented. Miss Ped, will you call the role? Min. Yes. Mr. Hyatt, yes. Mr. Wal, yes. Mr. Walls, yes.

Mr. Coleman, yes. Mr. Stain, yes. Mayor Cra, yes. Motion carries unanimously. All of these people are approved. Okay, we are now at item eight, public comments. Town services or business conducted. Any public comments? It's only 7:35. All right, we got Stop it. I was thinking somebody else would come up because we usually got the regulars. Um John Mson 418 14th Avenue North. You're done. You're done. You're done. Thank you for introducing yourself.

I got a wife. I got a wife for that. Um, listen, I the I I kind of wish the process here you guys take like public comment on agenda items at the beginning and then you take public comment on agenda items at the end versus during the actual presentation of whatever the subject at hand is. And I was kind of hoping the waste management guys would still be here right now because I was not impressed and it wasn't anything about whatever that other lady was saying. Um, so the first thing is they manage waste for a living. Okay, they are paid professionals to manage waste. And there really isn't anything really rapid that happens in the physics of land being taken up by waste being put on it over time. In other words, this didn't sneak up on anybody. They knew that there was a time that the amount of waste storage property they had was going to be exceeded. And the way it was always presented to me in my professional life was that a lack of planning on one person's part does not create an emergency on the part of another. And I see their whole proposal and I do what they do for a living. I'm a consultant and and one of my specialties actually happens to be sustainability and the new EPR regulations that are coming up. But anyway, um I don't have any problem supporting the very obvious path

forward, which is for them to do their dag on job and make more space for the landfill. My problem is with any incremental costs that Surfside Beach would incur as a result of their lack of planning and need to float a bond to pay for their land that they, you know, supposedly professionally manage. So, if this thing results in any incremental cost to the city of Surfside, flush that. Um the um the other thing I wanted to suggest in addition to the goose regulations was that said in 30 days time uh I think should be requested as solitary confinement. So u if you uh if you consider pulling that back out and making an amendment for that I would greatly app. Thanks for what you guys do.

All right. Thank you, sir. Any other comments? Nobody wants to follow that. All right. All right. In that case, we're going to move on to town council comments. Um, uh, Mhm.

Oh, sure. Um, just thanks for coming. Uh, thanks for listening in. Um, only thing I'd actually say is, um, I attended a business committee meeting this morning. Um, I'm the liaison from the council to the business committee. And, um, I just want to say that group is doing a lot of things. Um, I would encourage folks to to maybe participate or attend one of their meetings. They meet the first Tuesday of every month coinciding with the council meeting. So, they've got a lot of they've got a lot of new folks on the on the committee. They've got a lot of new ideas and I think you're going to see some positive stuff coming out of them. In fact, I I think the more cross talk between planning commission and business committee, the better off we're all going to be because they've got a lot of things they're running in parallel, the more the planning commission is doing as well. So, that's it.

All right. Thank you, sir. Um, Mr. Hi. Oh, you guys have all heard me enough tonight, but I will say that I will work on trying to find a better way to u redo ordinances because we really need to redo a lot of them and the system we have right now is very cumbersome. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. Uh, Miss Shelby.

Well, first of all, I applaud you for doing that cuz last year I did one that turned into three and I think I still have all the gray hair it gave me. Um, but thank you. With that said, uh I just want to tell you the applicant for um the senior committee um is overwhelming because um usually we get retired people. Um this individual happens to be a younger person that actually works in senior home care and has um expertise of dementia. So, we are excited that she has volunteered. She actually works in town off of Pop Group. So, I welcome that. Uh, I always have to say my senior committee, I can't take any credit for what they do. They just rock. Um, they're getting businesses to do um, uh, the potlucks. Um, keep Surfside Beautiful now is resigned up for the second potluck. So, that's exciting, too. So, I challenge all the other uh committees to um help out with the senior center. A little competition there never hurts anybody. Um, but I want to thank you all for coming. Um, appreciate it and I'll see you next next time.

All right. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Sty, I'm going to start out by saying thanks for everybody coming and I want everybody to know that we had a great barbecue festival. If anybody was downtown and seen it, they know we had a great barbecue festival because you couldn't get later on. You couldn't get no barbecue. And thanks to all thanks to all these people that from town that done all the work. Uh, it was just amazing. for saying that I will see you in a couple weeks. All right. Thank you, sir. Uh Mr. Walls.

Uh yeah, I'll piggy back Mr. Stamy's comments. Another uh home run over the center field wall for Mrs. Mole and her her team at events. Um it was amazing. Um talked to a lot of the vendors without exception. They were all happy. They all had good days. Um and yeah, you know, the barbecue people did. they ran out. So anyway, um but uh wanted to make wanted to make y'all aware of something that I'm participating in right now um and would highly highly recommend. It's the Citizens Police Academy

and um right now there are of the six he had 12 slots. There are only six people there. Um, only two of us are from town. There are people that are in outlying areas that consider Surfside their their beach, kind of their core place. Um, that are actually attending so that they can know more about um, just to let you know, they're they they are doing an incredible job. It it the first week we learned got to meet a bunch of our officers and our uh some of the management, the sergeants and and so on and so forth. Last week, um they they did some drugs and brought CIP in um and and found them. No, these are these are No, no, no. These are drugs. These are drugs that are actually given to us by the DEA for training purposes on the dog. Okay. So, but he hid them.

He hid them for us and we got to watch Sift seek and find and show us um how she works. So, it's it's very impressive. Uh we got to spend time with the detective and some of the his duties. And so we're getting a real great in-depth peak, if you will, at the behind the scenes operations of what I what I highly what I respect this that we have an incredible police department in this little town. Um, and as is evident on my goodness, the police officer that he introduced tonight, it's like, how did we get you? But anyway, so I would highly recommend in the future I would even suggest suggest that it be mandatory for all council people

to go through the academy but I also know that we have people at the table that have already served as police. So uh yeah they don't but I'm enjoying it a lot and they will be doing more of of them. I think he's talking about maybe three a year. Uh, so the next time you see this, I would highly recommend doing it. It's been extremely enjoyable, enlightening, and I've learned a great deal. So anyway, with that, thanks everybody for coming. Thanks uh everybody for listening in, and we'll uh we'll see you in a couple weeks. All right. Thank you. So before we move on, Chief, could anybody still come or you have to be at all of them?

Yeah, we're probably into it enough now where it would you'd miss out on some of the fun. So, uh, yeah, Skip brings his own drugs, I think. But stop it. But no, uh, but I appreciate the plug and we would love to be able to fill the next one up with the 12 slots we have. Um, so we're gonna I thought we would fill them up real quickly, so I think they have to rethink the marketing plan, but I appreciate uh counselor helping me out with that. All right. Thank you. If I could, just one more thing. I don't think, Chief, that people even realize Sergeant Pinto oversees our patrols. He's our sergeant over the patrols, which I learned I've learned are different people, but he is also full-time DEA agent.

Well, he's assigned he's a task force officer. They call him and he he works for them a lot. Um, not fulltime patrol sergeant, but he has a collateral duty as a as a task force officer, which is good because he's keeping drugs from coming in. Correct. That's his commitment to that. He does airports and these federal express terminals and all our secrets, sir. I know. It's amazing. It's amazing. He takes them.

Yeah, we are very proactive in that to try to prevent dismal drug organizations from bringing up the surf side instead of being reactive. when it gets in. So, we do think it's important to be good partners with other law enforcement agencies and task and be and when we can participate task force. We're smaller department so it has to be a part-time collateral duty or some of the bigger departments have full-time task force officers but yes, Sergeant Pinto runs patrol. Um we are going to be uh I won't get into it big time on the K9, but he oversees the K9 program too which got some changes soon. Yeah. Um because this dog is going to be retiring soon. And so he does a lot, but I don't really He's not here because he get I don't want to give him give him a big head, but he he's a Brett.

No, Brett's here. He just can't hear him. All right. Uh anyway, Po is an incredible asset and uh he does a great job and he's got a great personality, sense of humor and he works really hard. So I appreciate you recognizing. Oh yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Chief. I guess I guess speaking of those bigger uh police departments, we'll go to our uh closing uh our last council member here from the bigger police department, Mr. Co. just want to thank everybody showing up and listening. Uh, I did go to Surfside Beach police academy about 10 years ago

and I would have went this time but you mandated you had to make everyone and I can't do that because my wife forces me to go on address's thing. Um, welcome to Ory County. They they they don't have any foresight of anything they do. Oh yeah, no doubt. Uh they they built overpasses over roads with only two lanes. The bridge is only two lanes. Two. And now they're widening the road to three lanes. Three.

And Surai Beach. You know, it's inevitable that they're going to have to make bigger dumps. And I get that. But there are other steps they can do to prevent that and and and get rid of it somehow. And they don't think of that. And that's the c that's the county leaders. Where are they? What are they doing? Why aren't they making sure that people are recycling? Now, I know people don't like to recycle. If you never done it before, it seems like a real pain in the neck, but it's not. We all do it in this town here. And it would save a lot of waste. Why they don't mandate it that you have to do it? It doesn't make any sense. We jailed them.

We're not supposed to go back and forth. You know what in this town? Who do you think has the most recyclables? That's rhetorical.

The bars. And then our mandate is in our town that they have to recycle. Now, some of them do, and that's great. They take the recycle cans, they throw them, put them in the bars, and all cans and bottles go in it. other ones don't want to do it. Well, I think they should have to do it. I think they should. If they don't want to do it, they want to have mixed waste. They don't want to recycle. Then it should cost twice as much for their solid waste to be disposed of. This is a way of the future. It's getting bigger and bigger here. And you have to start thinking out of the box. You just can't say, "Oh, well, they don't want to do it." No, you got some things you have to do. I'm sorry. If you don't like it, I don't care. I'm come 20 years of my life do I have to care about everybody's little feelings. But uh it's a great town. It really really is. And if they should start charging more, uh more money for waste and we're doing the right thing, I don't think it's fair. Why do we have to pay extra if no one else is doing the right thing? It doesn't make sense. Oh, maybe start uh hitting up your uh state representatives and your county your county leaders. I know who he is. I haven't seen him here. No. Come on down. I said thank you all. Thank you, sir. All right, I'll wrap it up. Um barbecue fest was great. We've already heard about that. Also, uh besides Mrs. Maul, want to thank uh public works, police, and fire. you know, great support, but I mean, they do that every time. Um, this weekend is the town's 62nd birthday, and if you remember, that means it's also the second anniversary of opening the pier. So, uh, that'll be

March 14th. We're not really going to do anything about that, but, uh, it'll be noted, uh, on the website and Facebook. Um, a tax meeting occurred last week and Myrtle Beach Chamber of Commerce was in, gave a report on tourism. Um, it was down on the Grand Strand last year. Surfside Beach was the only Grand Strand community that uh actually stayed flat. We we had a very slight increase in our uh at tax dollars. I mean, that's the metric we can we can use. Um, but the rest of the air was flat. They're predicting a little bit more of a down year this year. I think we can hold our own. Um I believe we are a unique uh destination along the Grand Strand, but it's uh up to all of us to talk it out. Talk to your friends, your family, neighbors, anybody, and encourage them. Come visit Surfside Beach. It it could be a little leaner this year. um committees. I see one, two, three chairpeople and representatives from two others. Um it's been a little while since we've been asking committees to uh come in, but Mr. Lawhorn made the comment about, you know, a completely revamped business committee. As you can see, we just uh uh appointed a bunch of other people today. So, I'm going to start asking uh the committees to come in and just give us a little update. Tell us what you're working on, what you've been doing, what you plan to do through the rest of the year. I think it's good uh good for the committees, it's good for council to find out, but it's also good for the committees to get some attention on what they're doing. So, be looking for that email in the next week or so. Last thing I'll say is uh uh Mr. Vincent's contract is coming up in May and we've begun working on it, looking at some some differences, uh some things we might want to add to it, some things we might want to take out of

it. Um we can't do that publicly. It has to be an executive session. We're talking about uh some performance objectives. So that means we're talking about performance and we cannot discuss that publicly. However, um residents should have some input. So the the uh existing contract is a public document. You can obtain it. You can look at it for yourself. You can read it and say, "I think it ought to be this or that, whatever." Get your input to any council member you want. You got two weeks before we discuss it again. Um or you can come and attend the meeting and it's an agenda item, so you can speak on it. That's all I want to say about the uh contract, but I mean, you should be involved in it. So uh uh bring your input. you just can't participate in the uh in the discussion because it is executive session. All right, I got nothing else. So, the only thing we have left to do is a motion to adjurnn. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Lord,

motion to adjurnn. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Opposed? None. Motion carries. Meeting adjourned.