Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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[Music] meeting for the town of S city to order. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? Motion. Second. I have a first and a second. All in favor? I. Any

opposed? Okay. Agenda is approved. All righty. I need approval on the I don't have the minutes. Sorry. We are not having minutes for this for this month to approve. And I have no one here for public comment. Moving right along. So, next on the agenda, Sean, we have an ordinance revision. We do. So the only item we have today, we are bringing back the swimming pools in the coastal forest overlay district. This you all recommended to approval in the February meeting. It went to council in March and they approved to put the the 4ft maximum back in for swimming pools, but that it was up for debate about whether or not that was the right measurement, the right maximum for the concrete surrounding swimming pools. So, this is in a sense kind of like some of the other ordinance revisions we did last year, kind of a working session. Um, to see if you have any other suggestions. Um, but I do have information in your packet and I can kind of go through it. Um, what we did have back was the maximum 4ft concrete border that is perimeitted uh permitted around and in the uh ingground swimming pools. Uh so what we looked at, we did research of basically every beach town on the coast of North Carolina to see if any other municipality had similar requirements to us when it comes to not allowing imperous surfaces for new driveways, walkways outside the footprint of the home. We could not find another town that had that requirement. Um when we looked at maximum concrete around pools, no one had that as well. The one thing we did find was CAMA's memo 14 in their handbook and that's also included in your packet and um the

rule 15A says an adjacent deck or apron 6 ft wide is included as part of the swimming pool. This pool deck can be any material, concrete, stone, brick or wood and u you cannot reduce the width of the pool deck on one side of the pool to allow more than six feet on the opposite side. Um, so overall what every other municipality did was just include this concrete around a swimming pool within their lot coverage. So most of our zoning districts on the island that comes up to 40% impervious coverage. So essentially what we would look at is you can either follow KMA's guideline of six feet, increase it to six feet and we can include that in the lock coverage. So if if you're at 38% and you're going to put 6 ft of concrete around your pool and that puts you over 40, then you can't do 6 feet. So we did make recommendations in here. Um uh so the staff does recommend two alternatives. That the town leaves the current ordinance as it stands at a maximum 4 ft concrete border around private swimming pools. or two, the town removes this requirement from section 5.13 G3 and includes a CFOD subsection consistent with current CAMA standards regarding pool borders calculating the impervious into the overall lot coverage. And I did include a revision with this language um in the CFOD ordinance for your review in the packet. Do you all have any questions or thoughts on this? I I I don't know the full historical reference behind the four feet. I do know that Steve, who was here before Amy, did not want impervious at all anywhere on the island. The one exclusion that we have is for commercial properties, right? Commercial lots, they they can have impervious surfaces, but

um this was this was fought for, I believe, to get to that four feet. So, um that's the background I have on the four feet. So Sean, I just want to make sure we're clear what you found in the um nearby areas that you looked into, they did not have any restrictions. So the outer, sorry if I wasn't clear on this. Uh the Outer Banks, Nag said, K Hills, Kittyhawk for their oceanfront swimming pools, they followed that KMA rule 15A where they could have up to a six-foot concrete border. Um, but no anywhere else, no requirements. You could you could have as big of a patio as you wanted around your swimming pool if that's concrete or brick, stone, if it's slatted deck. Uh, it would just be it would go into your impervious slot coverage. So, that that seems to be the standard. The sixoot also also is a functionality as well, correct? As far as like the tie downs we're talking. Um, so yeah, it's just included overall in the swimming pool. Yeah, [Music] we don't have to have anything is what we don't we can either do the keep the foroot, take what KMA has or not have a restriction. Correct. Yeah. And that's why it's kind of open to interpretation for you all to find the um the best wording of the ordinance and the language. Uh but we did find that KMA put a lot of time and research into this requirement what they found their studies for the six feet. So we do think it would it would be worthwhile to follow KMA's lead and overall just calculate that into the lock coverage the impervious lock coverage. So how does this play into a pool on the canal that's not oceanfront

for example is is that the coastal forest over overlay district. So that is on the island. It's the same. It is. Yes. I was looking at it. Sure. I understand what you said about KMA, but right there is a little different. That was KMA's rule. As long as it doesn't go over the 40%. KMA's rule is just the six feet. It's just the six feet. They don't take into account impervious slot coverage. This is just what they say for their pools on the ocean front is you can have up to six feet of concrete, any kind of apron surrounding the swimming pool. But I don't their their rule doesn't have anything to do with lot coverage and they would play into ocean front. Theirs does. Yes. But yeah, it this is something that could be applicable for the entire zoning district if we did that. But not necessarily off the ocean front, right? Correct. Well, your CFOD goes. Yeah, I think I'm getting a little That's what I was trying to say is the CFOD is the entire island. Even if you're not on the ocean front, if you're on the canal, anywhere there is the coastal forest overly district. And I'm just using the canal as an example. There's a big old pool on Highway 210 right now that's bigger than the house sitting above ground. Do you see it? Only, Madam Chair, only if the like on the canals. Only if the swimming pool was within the AEC in which camera regulates would that maximum six foot come into play. So if what Sean and I'm not trying to overspeak by any means, but if you had a lot on the canal that for some reason the pool was not located in an AEC and somebody came in and said, "Hey, I want to I want to put a six a six foot or even an eight foot apron." that square footage of that impervious surface is going to be calculated in the overall lot uh lot coverage area. So if

Sean is reviewing that permit and they have to show all imperous surfaces on the property and they're proposing an 8oot apron and that puts them over the percentage threshold, they're they would by by rule have to reduce that down. Correct. But if it's if the pool would be placed in an area that's not KMA controlled, it would not fall under CMA. It would strictly fall under what you just said. It's just going to fall under the the lock coverage rule, which is the way that the ordinance, the recommended or ordinance change would would read. Yeah. And I I think that's how the language helps where it says uh includes a CFOD subsection consistent with current CAMA standards. So consistent with their standards. Yeah. And like you said, Sean, I mean, you came to put a lot of time and effort to go through all this. So, we should I I feel we should go with the standards. I want to make sure I got this. So if we go with um if we do away with the four 4 foot and go with um number two um to include to go by the KMA standard and include the CFOD subsection verbage then KMA would apply to where KMA applies and any other requests would be controlled by the CFOD subsection. just the lot coverage. Correct. Okay. It could definitely vary by property. I I don't know if that would be the case. I think it would just be overall if we're allowing it to be up to six feet and then if if it's over the lot coverage, it would have to come down. I don't I don't know if we would really necessarily want to separate it from oceanfront lots in the CFOD or canal lots if I'm understanding your question. So if if it's not

KMA for lack of a better word controlled or in a KMA environment, right? So where would that be on the island? Like tops will have not really on the ocean front or on the canals. If you're building one on a lot and it's not right, it would just be lot coverage within the setback. Then it's going to be it will fall under what? the the the maximum impervious lot coverage that you this is what I'm trying to make sure so that it's not tied to don't matter where it is this is how it is right pools included in the lot coverage calculation not the water no and there would be no uh there would be no rule about whether they used uh pvious concrete as that apron or there would be well I don't know if I'm what do you mean there would there would be no rule about it so if we choose to go the route that it's part of the total lot coverage, right? Is there the option to use a pvious concrete, so it's not included in the total lot coverage? I think this would just be I think that would be part of this is to kind of see if we're going to be just talking about the pool borders and the apron for the pool. Did I answer your question? I think your question is is do impervious surfaces are they calculated towards lock coverage? Yes. Right. There was a statement made that Steve didn't want to have that involved. Excuse me. Pervious surfaces calculated I don't think pvious surfaces are calculated in your lock coverage. But there still would be the option to use a pvious product. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Slided decks. Yeah. Would you be held to the six six foot

max still? No. I mean, I I think that was part of the interpretation for this to see if there was if there was another number that you all were comfortable with recommending or I still think it would all be under the umbrella of the impervious slot coverage. Right. Yeah. So then kind of where would we go for the for the specific amount if it and in this wording if we you know if we're consistent with current CAMA standards that means we look towards the six feet or towards their rules and regulations right yeah Yeah. Anybody else? Yeah. Is there any further discussion? Any questions, comments? Motion to go with the current CAMA standards. follow the rest of the towns. I'll second that. So, I have a first and a second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? So, the ordinance revision is approved. Questions? Uh, so general project updates. Uh several people asked for me to include a spreadsheet of everything. So so we could not just uh talk about off the top of our heads what we were uh what we had going on right now. But uh the most active that we have the pet crematorium has been released for construction. Uh the caper community college expansion that's underway. Um there's a conditional district for Xander Guy that is out there on Sea Oaks and NC50 that's

waiting on a few things. Um we are talking through with tops of land and condos with the apartments that are right across the street at 210 and 50 for a second phase for them. Currently they had originally applied as a conditional district but they've had to go back and rework a couple things but the the biggest project right now that we're waiting on is Colonial Heights and that should be in planning board next month. They have everything together there. How many units? I believe was yeah 120 to 140. I can pull it up but I think Kyle might be right there. All singles or single family homes? Yes, square feet. That's our 10 that we turn down five and approve the 10. So yeah, that should be in the workflow for next month. Uh, take five oil that has been released. Valvolene as well, Advanced Auto Parts. Uh, the Starbucks is obviously under construction. We do have a the property right beside the Starbucks. I did just speak to their developer and they are um finalizing their contract. though. We still don't know what that will be specifically, but a restaurant with a drive-thru. That's the val. Yeah, the Valvoline is beside the go gas. Advance auto is going to be back in the new up by the hair and take five. They'll essentially be right beside each other on Austin across the street. But where's the pet crematory? Tortuga, right? Tortuga Drive. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

Yes. That's it for updates. Okay. Madam Chair, can I get up real quick? Can you get up here, please? Kyle, would you please come forward? formal, but um I I just wanted to uh introduce the new community development director uh who has been here this afternoon. We've driven him around town, Mr. Jeremy Smith. Um I'm not expecting him to get up too much, but uh he's coming to us from the city of Jacksonville. He's been there for 15 years. Um, prior to that worked for the city of Benson, um, Washington County, Bowford County, Little Washington, um, and Johnston County and Johnston County. So, um, comes to us with a a wealth of knowledge. Uh, knows a lot of uh, our local folks, which is good. Has worked with a lot of our surveyors and engineers. So, um, we hope he will hit the ground running May 1st. Actually, we know he will hit the ground running May 1st. Um, and he's a a proud pirate grad. So, I did a very nice job for him. I would have had him come forward and Oh, yeah. Well, he's not on the clock yet. So, I need to learn more about him in Johnson County. Yeah. I'm sure he's heard of you, Renee. Don't worry about it. Oh, yeah. He will. No. So, uh, part of his onboarding, uh, Madam Chair, we will, uh, set up a meeting so that we can go over what's what's happening. some of the uh council directives for the for the planning board for the upcoming year and um we'll set a work plan. So, yes, welcome Jeremy. We look forward to working with you. You have some good support behind you and that's all I had. Thank you. The Colonial Heights project is 136. So, we're right in between. Yes.

Okay. Anything else? Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Have a second. Any opposed? Meeting is adjourned. Thank you. [Music]