County Commissioners Meetings - Regular Meeting

There there was a one of I don't know I got to get on with this thing without getting too deep but there was one of the sheriff deputies that took the training program cost $2,400 officers And so I'm curious to know what those trainings consist of that cost that kind of money. We should have some sort of an explanation. The I I guess the real one you'll hear is me at least. There's a jail mandates jail maintenance in detention painting for $119,000. Now I'm sitting there thinking we have a maintenance department. Surely some of those folks are capable of painting. $119,000 sounds like a lie. Somebody needs to explain that stuff to me. Maybe nobody else is in with that, but I am. I looked at this stuff and I'm curious to know why you see some of these numbers but nobody's around to say hey here's the reason for that. So how how do we handle that situation? I don't know. You just say well we're not paying unless you explain can't do that. That's not fair. But I think it's fine for some of our department heads to take responsibility on some of this stuff. We're the ones ultimately that say, "Yeah, it's okay." And nobody's here to to answer the questions. So, I don't know. It It's just It's just

mindboggling that some of this stuff is going on and has went on for years. Takes time to get a hold of it. I'm on the internet. I believe down downturn in revenues. This kind of stuff just can't continue. So that's my speech. So do you know how many credit cards did you all issue them there in clerk's office or who they issued the cards? Yes, we issued them from our office. I believe there's 17.

That's all you put out? 17 cards. one for each department. So my second question is so Doug Blake's here might be able to tell tell us where they you know yeah they redid all

stand up yet so green hall maintenance uh they did a redid all the pod and that was something that the jail did never it was their project that they came up with their maintenance was not involved and they stripped that all the They came in and sand blasted that all the way back down to original structure and then they reprimedimed and the whole thing and that still took then and then and that was almost six seven weeks that it took to do that with [clears throat] I don't know the painting crew had seven people and the sand blasting crew had four people. So what is that 9,000 hours man hours of labor where that's way out of that would take our whole entire department two months to do and you would be able to go do anything else or follow the other people that have a disaster every day and we were not involved in it. It was something that the jail and the sheriff did on their own. Thanks. Okay. And how's how's Andre? Doing better. He's walking. He says his leg feels a lot better. Thanks. He was going to try to come over, but stay here all day. So, Commissioner Stevens, I along with others on the board, do you go through accounts payable? Yes. And one of the issues that come in is at this point in time the work has already been done and the items have typically been purchased or procured and they have made a commitment to pay.

I've notated the questions that you have that are open questions in that regard. Are there items on table that you don't want to pay and the information on the ultimate. I I think I think payments need to be paid. I'm just I'm just questioning the fact the detention center and we have we have a maintenance.

So I don't see a representative from the SO here. So at the next meeting I'd ask that sheriff's department be put on the agenda for explanation of that meeting that is yeah yeah that's fine all I all I'm asking for is an explanation why like in the radios for instance they're all parish radio according to what I've seen here why the big difference I'm sure there must be some special I don't even radio I don't know but it would help I I don't disagree with Please. Okay. So, you know, I'm curious to see if it was in the budget. Probably was, but we didn't.

Yeah. And then, you know, whether we are taking bids on this big project any two cents worth. Okay. So, we'll go ahead and insert that on the agenda as far as questions if we can. In addition, uh we'd like to have the departments that purchase the radios come forward at the next meeting so we can fully have the transpire that acceptable.

That's fine. Y so with that being said placed on the next agenda we go back to account payable goal of 1,340,85284 other further discussion on this accounts payable 3402 Thank you. Is [clears throat] there a second? Second. Have a motion and a second. All in favor?

Any opposed?

Thank you. Uh, next Billy P, please. got [clears throat] an activity list. Um just starting to get pretty much all roads open needed open about a month ahead still want to get that slush and put snow on them off to dry it out. moment finishing up. The gun club had a lot of mud issues, a lot of issues. We just kind of clean up some stuff out there, brought in little material, make it walking in the land and stuff. Probably get down out there and do some more approach. last year. We'll put that pipeline in to kind of mess up the drive going in there. So, finishing that up today should be out of there. Start start putting place all the cattle bars out there on dry pining. There's some wor out. So, I'm going to try to get that done before it gets more busy. I've got a drainage issue at the golf course. So, I'm going try to get that done. Um let's kind of branches up too right now still with this land where there is still bond ra

still blows I got a blade I'm sure up there almost every day um other than that you guys questions on my activities um I got call the forest service um about a large creek. I don't know if a lot of you guys remember here a few years ago. You know, there's always been that last mile of road um from where ours been to the for a mile of road. We never could get that agreement with that echo since Bob Herorth signed. So, um that part of the road was really bad. Well, the horse service contacted me and they're going to do cell and stuff up there. So, they're trying to get right now on this half of the road. Bob her is the other half. We never could get that agreement done. Um talked to Bob Hering yesterday. Um the force service guys been on me so I sent him to Bob because it's kind of up to them you know um Bob's good with their agreement. Nobody can get a hold of so the forest service I left it in their part to try to work out. I guess my question is um Bob would rather the county have them easement through there than the forest service. Um that part of the road needs a lot of work. Um I you know I've been talking with Forest

Service. They said they would homie up a little bit because it's like pretty much undrivable. It's like side by side and um so you know because I have no for us to rebuild that part of that mile roads you know I have to haul everything to pretty much and I start building the only pit that's close there's a pit right down there off of the barge creek that Keith Hughes owns but he's pretty much took all the material down for the power plant down in Kimry so I'd have to haul all that out of dry plant so you but it costs quite a bit to rebuild that part of the road. So, the Forest Service said that I said, you know, I have no problem doing a lot of the work. Um, but I do know there's some gravel pits on LeBard. So,

how do you do it? You know, it' be my recommendation to the commissioners that we're even if you guys even want these, unless you just want the forest service, but I think the land owners are going to want the county to have it.

For service. So my thing was is I my recommendation is you know the only way we going to do the take the easement is if they supply the gravel because there is gravel pits up there that would say you know couple hundred,000 in trucking so anyway but I don't know if you guys even want to mess with it. So that's I told him I would ask today and move forward. So Billy uh can't do anything till the Eckles gives in. Yeah, because Eckles the way that easement is, it's like it's like they both own half the road, right?

Bob, I talked to him the other day. Like you said, he'd rather the county have the easement. I mean, back in the day, you know, we thought it was all going to go and we built the fence. So, it's been fenced that extra mile cuz we jumped the gun on that. But, um, you know, that last mile of road is bad shape, but there's not much we can do though.

There's nothing we can do till I mean, Bob said he was signed to the county. He don't know if he'll sign for the forest service. He likes the idea of the logging and stuff, but um he said he's up and you know they'd have to really talk to him to get it done. He he signed with us that far right now, but we the last time we had it's really hard to get in touch with them people. they got to go through like all these attorneys and and stuff and um so honestly leaving that up to the forest service but I know if they do I I guess my question is is if you guys even want the easement or if you want me to say no forest service it's on you guys pursuing sounds like quite a nonre to see something happen there if we can.

I have no problem doing anything. Like I said, I I would like to the Forest Service to pull me up the gravel, you know, because there's and that's basically this there's just big there's no road. It's just big holes and everything. So, it's going to take a lot of native pit road, you know, to get it and get some drainage and stuff. And they have pits up there and I I I you know, I've been in contact with them and they they say they'll you know, they're they're good with that. You know, we'll see. Do you bring an estimated cost of that place?

Well, like I said, the gravel was up there. I mean it to get it to get it up to you know where you can use them with the vehicle you it you know if they supply the gravel probably be you know around 125,000 you know that's what I just estimated but other I mean 100,000 just such you know it's a long ways it's be like 34 miles one way So Billy, Mr. Chairman. So Billy, this you would do yourself. You done hire?

Well, I would have to if because it it take if we have to haul it out of our pit. I might try Ping the heroin pit. I'd have to hire trucks. Yeah. Because it it just take it take us three years to be able to grow up there. But there's I like I said I my opinion I wouldn't do it I wouldn't even do it unless the for surface let us use one of them pits one of them old gravel pits up there the gravel

well it's just it's just native I mean just to get you won't have to do nothing it's it's nice stuff um you know then that would that would then I wouldn't hire nobody. We could just do it. The big thing just time that Miles hauling it all the way, you know. So without the without E signing off, there's no way to do it.

There's no way to do it. So that for service is trying to work it. I mean, they're even talking domain, you know, and I I wasn't really for that. Um, but I just think I do think I do. But I just I hope for some see if you guys were even you know okay if they do if all this comes through they'd be the invest Orange.

Yeah. Yeah. And then where where the county stops there's that mile to the forest service and it's it's like almost undrivable. I mean um they can't take horse trailers or campers or anything spot. You know, where we stop it be more or less that bad trains is a huge safety concern.

Oh yeah. From fire you access it but there there you know and I kind of think the forest service because there's no way I mean there's we you know we didn't get that far in the conversation but there's no way you're going to get lo trucks up there. So they're going to have to they're going to have to do some work on the on the road to even get log trucks on it. So they're you know they're going to have to do something. So chairman just so everybody knows I'm not at all against it. Steve Hoffman would probably give everyone us a hug, you know, if we did this, but the last time we took over roads got roasted. Okay. So, you know, I mean, I think we have put a little thought into this for a couple meetings or or what's

it take I mean I guess I mean it's going to take a while back. I just he was just wanted to know if um cuz like Bob Bob's hold kind of tough with letting the Forest Service have the easement. He'd rather sign it over to us. So, I guess we're just trying to figure out what angle we need to try to work forward to. So, if the foreign service was to get over Monday, would the county have a total easement or is it still going to be a shared deal? you know that if Eckles and Har were signing over to the county, it would be our ement to and then, you know, we'd have it would tie in off of our other ement on to to the force. Okay. So, explain. Okay, I'm kidding. the movement.

Um, they back in the day when we first started doing this, there was some they went up the Forest Service had done some, you know, still motorized vehicles and stuff and um kind of blocked some of the areas they used to like drive on and stuff up there. And so it was kind of kind of a not they were kind of feuding with the forcers hero organicles and so that we never could get that holes hung with Bob. They were like, "Yeah, you know, unless Forest Service back in the day, Bob would sign it over and Edles would sign it over to the county user service use it." Well, we couldn't do that. So, that's it just kept it just kept going back and forth like that. And then Eckles has said, "I I ain't signing any anyone." So, and then Bob was like, "No, I'm done." So, it's just been a lot of years now. And now Bob Bob's like, I you know, he says, I think the county should have that extra, you know, that last mile. He's still not crazy about the Forest Service, but he likes the idea of going up there and logging and doing that stuff. And he he really said to me, you know, he wants the public to be able to, you know, get up there. that part of the road is so bad that you know it's it's kind of unpassable unless you side by side. So he's kind of I think everybody's kind of calm down. It's just really hard to get a hold of. Um you got to you got to call his attorney and and you never talk to family. You got to go through all their

people. But the forest service, I guess what they were want to know is that how they what their next step is that the county will um be willing to take the easement. They'll try to give, you know, get e to come to us and sign. Um and then but then you know we'll we'll be stuck with the maintenance on the road you know once it's proposed time to revisit this building

I it's going to take but it'll take the forest service. I think it's quite you know probably a few weeks a month probably here for eles that's normally the time frame there. I can just keep you up you know informed you know and we can make that decision. Sounds good. Thank you.

Okay. Um, other than that, um, I know Eric's got some updates and stuff. I was just curious. We're doing everything. Um, I know the bike path things come up. So, I just wanted you you [clears throat] guys want us to work on I mean, I did the temporary fixes. I don't know how long that'll last. Um, I don't know if you want us to put numbers together and try to, you know, fit it in with our chip seal stuff, you know, because I was planning on using the gas tax for the some of that money to use chip sailing and that and maybe we can put that in with that. But I just was going to get some what you guys think. taking some really good pictures and grab blank bats around the state to show you these states.

Yeah. Yeah. I've seen some really nice rotoill ones and stuff like we that one we did that we tore out and did, you know, they they turn out not bad. Um, [laughter] you know, so is it still in the cards that we fixing then gave them to the town? Is that

Yes. Yes. And Clayton could probably talk about that a little bit. I know I know you got all the agreements. It's just we just got to get them up to par, right? Yeah. If uh Mr. Chairman, um Billy, as I recall, I think these guys looked at it last fall and said, "We don't want to spend the money." It was like a million bucks. Yeah, I think that was what it was. It's about a million bucks to bring all that stuff up if I'm not if I'm remembering correctly. And that that was a couple years ago. So it's probably Mike it's probably a little more but it's all

but once we get them up then the town will take theirs more will take theirs big pine and then then we're we're done with just the voice count. I said if you want us to I know budget's coming. I didn't know if you want us to try to put numbers together. Um because there is some the stuff I did, you know, it'll it'll last a little while, but I don't have the same. I think last year we we spoke about continuing moving forward on it, made that representation to a number of people. So be prudent to get some cost and say okay it

okay or not good dealates just got some uh project updates starts out pulling out the old fence so they're probably remove the old bridge, get the piles out so they can start excavating and start installing that block. Hopefully the roads only closed for a couple weeks, but picked a good week to start. So, we should get done before they want to turn the water on. So, off to a good start on that two days in, but no problems yet. And then I sent you guys the quick design that I done on rear and draw so far. So, I'm still working on that one. I finally got back to the supplier. The way I designed it was to match the cover that we had. So, we had to go with the thicker plates. And since that structure is so big, just delivered it was $200,000 for that structure. But if we go to the thinner plates and put three and a half ft of cover over the structure down to 159,000. So, that's the design going to import more crutch base and ramp the road over that box over. So, I'll get those plans ready. We probably won't we'll bid it and then have construction after November. So, this year's off, replace that possibly.

I see you got it designed for like a 6'1 clearance underneath. Is that going to be enough to get in there and clean the stuff out? Uh, I just tried to match what the excavation that we did or what the how they cut it out to where it is now. If we go bigger, those costs are going to go up. So, that's that's kind of what I did was match what's there. It's cuz it it's so flat that it will silt in, but maybe a back truck can clean it out a little bit easier. You get the center and you can work in it. But yeah, that's kind of so the gravel plate or floor you've got under it, that's what's required. You could of course see CM under that or just

I mean that would be more expensive. These pre-made plates that they come with the usually it's the cheapest option they have. You can do footers where it's empty in between and then you can cut in between. But then if there ever is scour it undercuts those foundations and you got to fix that. So that's kind of why we usually do the full full box. Okay. And then the other thing is uh when I get reared and done, I'll start design on the uh cattle project. So I just wanted to make sure that we still wanted to go ahead with that. The four we were looking at was the industrial site, Pindel South, Half Moon, and White Pine. So those were the four we were looking at getting done this year. Talk about doing these in house. change. Uh, we had mentioned we had mentioned that I could look into what it would cost to be have it'd be a separate project to have Adams or somebody pre-cast them and then have them on supply, but same time when the county goes to do it, they'd have to rent a crane and schedule them. But I can certainly get prices on what it would cost for Adams to pre-cast them and then get with Billy to see what the feasibility is on. Personally, I think it's worth looking at after this last debacle out here and the cost of those things. Let's see what it cost in the house for pre-cast.

Yeah. Every year, the last two years, they've been about 350,000. So, this round would probably be around that 400,000 because they're a little bigger for the half moon and white pine. We're going to have to put detours in because there's no way around on those. So, that's kind of what we're looking at. But I can I can put numbers together to see what uh just getting those foundations poured and delivered would cost and come back with you on that. Okay, Mr. Chairman. So, where's the one at White Pine? Just before White Pine. It's on the main top. Yeah. Yeah.

So, is that even necessary? I mean, where they're not keeping cattle up there anymore? Uh I know when we did the project we asked the forest service to pull a couple of those and they said we had to keep them. So but then that was a federal project that so I think we need double check on that because that's absolutely doing nothing you know and there's no fences. There's nothing out there that I mean cattle is doing no good because they go around if there was something up there. So I mean I can certainly reach out to him since he was there maybe 50 years ago they grazed up there or something but I think that was very

I know when we did the bottom the first portion of the skyline thought that fire had gone through and the fences were burned down and they they made us put it in anyway and they put the fences back but there's blow there. It's a different deal. So, I don't know. I've always wondered why the cavard's even there. This is County Road. I can certainly reach out to them and see what they say.

Well, I think that that's pretty much all I have for you. This may get pearl here, but your engineering or your estimate on this rear draw room is 385,000 or something. [clears throat] doesn't have any engineering estimate in it, which I can understand why you don't send your engineering estimate out to be because I think those estimates what it's going to cost for your guys' service, we ought to be seeing I we we typically put those those budget estimates we include the 10% for engineering and then 10% for construction. So when we do the estimates that we get

going to go through one here a little bit fairgrounds are for the third time and some of that scope changed and changed and who knows if the engineering changed I don't have any idea because we have no in my mind no baseline where where you guys was proposed to be at I think there's a bit of a checkbook here for you guys that I want to start seeing all these bids before they go out.

Yeah. Typically all we can do is good rule of thumb is 10% for design and then 10% for during construction and we try and stay we're typically under that if that's usually the you see every every bill that comes in engineering fee for whatever the project might be and it always well how much we paid on that how much we have paid on that we need more clear direction on you guys' costing Thank you. Thank you. Back on the cattle guards I did last year when when I put that in that fix. I reached out to the foreign service and asked them. They told me there's no way to build that vest and they're none of that.

So you worked on that category last year. Well, we Yeah, because it keeps sinking. It's traffic, you know, hits it. So we we raised it. Keep putting shims under and raised it. I I'm just like you. I'm like there's no fence. So I reached out to them because I was gonna pull it and they said no they're they're gonna have cows up there. They said I got the fence picked haven't seen cows. I know me and [clears throat] well I appreciate if you just run by them again. Yeah. I mean because I think actually wasting some money here right quick.

Yeah. [clears throat] So, Rim Road um got everything we asked for the um 100 foot easement, the extra roof turnarounds and extra areas to put snow catchers. Um but Clay wants to hold it because he's got some questions that he wants to see if we can work out. So, I was going to have guys sign we're kind of hold off. So other than that um [snorts] waste management it's it's good. Um starting starting to pick up getting busy. Um the the building's pretty much done. Turned out really nice. So we did did a lot of extra middle Blakes spent tons of time with the fire system in there. Um and but then all the construction is almost done pretty much. They the way we did the the building, you know, it's like a building inside of building and then sprinklers were in the roof and all that. We kind of we kind of changed that design a little bit where it had where you could store stuff on top. We did away with that. We made it sloped and we put tin on in that so if we ever have sprinklers go off again, it won't rot in the break room and the offices and the bathrooms and all that. Uh turned out really nice. Fire working good. Um so we're good there. um golf course and starting to go hot out there since

the ice line is starting to hel off. We're out there doing stuff to fair dragon picking up, you know, on debris doing, like I said, probably later this week, first part of next week, I got a number eight. I got to put some drains in. Um so, we'll get out there and get that done. Um, just trying to get everything going to be open. Mr. Chairman, I had a question. Golf course. So, Billy, I got a couple of letters here. Do you know about these uh homeowners and the from the golf course?

Oh, yeah. About the dogs and stuff. Yeah. I mean I just I mean I didn't know anything about it till I got contacted you know people that you know and [clears throat] it's kind of surprise I you know if I have knew they were going out I' been more a little more prepared.

We we send letters out every year just um since we've been there just because every year we have um issues we have stuff that arise. Um the big thing is is when the you know they'll just come out and start playing from whatever hole. And so we just we just send out reminders that they got to, you know, let us know because that course is so busy now that, you know, they they got to let us know they can't just jump in on a hole without us knowing, you know, because we got, you know, they they tee off every 12 minutes, you know, so we start having a lot of complaints about that. So, we just send out a letter to all the homeowners just letting them know, you know, remember to call us and we make sure we have our emails and stuff like that. And then last year we had we had numerous dog, you know, we had the big deal with, you know, the guy getting bit stuff like that and that was an ordeal going to be with Clayton and Yeah. I mean, so we just, you know, tell people to really watch their dogs and that it's just kind of a a letter to just remind them that, you know, what we expect, you know, so we don't have issues.

I have no objection to what the letter what's in it has nothing to do with it. Maybe if you'll just tell us next year when you do, you know, because Oh, okay. So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like anonymous. There's no signatures on there whether we sent it out or you sent it out or Well, the one we sent out had, you know, had, you know, the, you know, we we put, you know, we sent it out to and we had our, you know, logo and everything on it. So, this one doesn't Oh, I think that was probably um probably that they must just printed that off the email or something because some of them some of them we didn't have mailing addresses. We just we just had their email.

Okay. But like I say, I appreciate if you know just let us know that you know you're going to do that because you like say I had I know you don't know who my neighbor is. So, Oh, yeah. Uh, hey jumped out of stri that. So yes, thanks. You bet. On that, Billy. In addition, they came back with a appropriate rebuttal ladder on certain items. Yeah.

And I would think that we need we should address that and come up with some options that are available. That's having people come and walk through your yard. might be hard for some people and to have people urinating in front of your house with children is not acceptable, right? Um, so there we may need to come up with some different options that we can utilize.

Well, anytime you know that that we hear that or see that, you know, we basically, [clears throat] you know, make them leave the course, you know. Um, the I mean it's like retrieving their balls. I mean, the ones that have fences, you know, um, you know, a lot of them don't have fences and stuff. I mean, if if if they call us and stuff, you know, willing to do this, we can um, you know, a lot of them like I read that letter, too. A lot of them, you know, the the walls in their houses and that, you know, it's kind of up to them to put nets up and stuff. I mean, a lot of it is I mean, we can do what we can, you know, but um they got to offer and let us know. I mean, that some of that's the first time I've ever heard that. I mean, we got portaots out there. We got bathrooms out there. Um, you know, they just got to communicate with us and we'll we'll help them as much as we can.

Great. didn't bring that up and I'm sure it's problem faced nationwide. Yeah, thank you.

Please Shan Cooper sorry we need stage. Thank you and Build it. Okay. Well, this is this is kind of the breakdown that I sent out here last week to you. I hope hopefully you received that and went through it. I guess first of all, um I apologize for any misunderstanding during the last few weeks as to what this total project's going to cause in the future. I'll make every every effort to include this kind of as a break time even when they're dealing with bids and contracts. It's dealing specifically with the work being done. But Mr. gravity through loud and clear on these projects. We'll make sure that show us front end what we're estimating as far as what you know design costs are and construction in this just so everybody understands the bottom line what what is this cost. So apologize for the you know successive weeks of having to deal with this. Um I I did break it out so you all understand what this is going to cost. Um I did have it kind of broke down like that. It was I guess a little bit more messy

because of that whole project costs as far as option A plus the base bid was the base bid only. So that's where we're at. Um I guess carrying [clears throat] that further the shade contract I reached out to Tangi let know our situation that this meeting was going to be happening Tuesday and they agreed to stick with the same go that we've had since January. So there's no adjustments to that we had previously in January. Um so the numbers all still you know are indicated on this on this tab sheet. Um and I understand you know this what what I indicated there was what we had into design engineering which was has been the paid board up through the end of life and what you know what we would have for a budget we're dealing with as far as construction goes to the close out

that 86,000 that been paid already.

Yes. in the project. I do have a signed agreement back from teleractors for the $921,735. Um, I did submit that agreement in the entire project manual to uh Clayton's office for review. Um, it did review and hope to them. So, questions.

I got one of them. I mean, so at one time he's talking about the extra supports for that roof that's brought up. Is that all been talked about covering for the roof the the shade system? Yes.

Yeah. So we've we've got we've got money in Teletractor's account for having because we're basically once we get the engineering back from the shade company and they say this is what we're going to need for the sports we have got money in the contract set aside for that 25,000 is part of the patellacctor's bid may not need all of that that's basically the set aside to account for extra concrete work. But with project getting a phase one taken out of it or back your $85,000 engineering fee that that's adjusted down to the current project. Yes. this point in time, we're looking for approval for denial of the additional $200,000. We've approved the last meeting um and then $21,735. Mr. Chairman, I made a motion patiently looked at Skype about including the rest of the costs. So after throwing out there to approve this project 1 1,126,18 motion second have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor?

Oppos? We get two on that please. Motion pass. Thank you, Commissioners. priority.

Hey, good morning, commissioners. How are you? Good. Um, I'll be brief just to try to get through the report, but it's just my standard monthly report. you guys have in front of you. Our budget's about in alignment with the percentage of year used with percentage of budget expenditures. A little formula that ML's done a great job to track down a couple of grants to help pay for the wildland fire um shelters that that we brought to your attention a few months ago. So, we're in the process of purchasing those shelters as we speak. Um last month, there were 16 calls total. You'll see the breakdown in in each of the stations. No open fire investigations, uh, no public education, uh, presentations presented in in February. Our firewise programs continuing to go strong. You can see all the activities that that Josie has been working on. Uh, no smoke detector installations last month. Training is going strong. Our our annual recruit academy is uh in full swing. They they've been using the the uh fire train facility basically over the weekend. a lot of other activities and trainings going on down there. Um, and focusing on hazmat first aid CPR training. We did just finish every 5 years. Uh, we're required to complete a uh structural assessment of the fire training facility to make sure that it's not uh, you know, falling down around our ears basically and that it's safe to uh, conduct live fire training in there. So, we just completed doing that that 5year inspection. Uh everything came back just fine. There's some some minor maintenance issues, but uh no no no need for budget or anything to address it. Just a some minor paint touch-ups and a couple of doors that weren't closing correctly. It's minor issue there. Um and then beyond that, just regular voluntary service meetings and their coordinator, local, state, and federal partners and just the the volunteer hours and the

additional activities the firef. So with that, I'm happy to stand for any questions. I want to ask a question that I was confused about earlier. sheriff leaders about curious in the radios purchased in the last couple of trips also works all over the country search and rescue for search and rescue had five air radios 2546 fire had four of them 4270 so I know there has to be a different so what's the difference in the in the two two sets radio.

Commissioner Bernard, I'm not prepared to speak to that right now. I don't have that invoice in front of me and I can't I can't answer from memory what what the exact invoice was. Um, I can I can tell you that there's a uh a statewide um uh what's the word? I'm looking for a state plate and there's here um there's a uh shares what's the name of the the the contract that L3 Harris signed specifying the the lowest price available in the state of Wyoming for L3 products

through RCS? Yeah. just a local vendor price long or a public service gets a a discount um or the lowest price that they can guarantee.

Yeah. And and Southern County receives that that benefit for emergency responders. So that they they are the chosen vendor from from the manufacturer from L3 Harris. The price that that we receive um is is their their published pricing for radios. I can't tell you, you know, what the sheriff's been purchasing for his radios and anything else. I can just tell you that, you know, what we purchased, but like I said, if um if you if you'd like me to review the the invoice, I I certainly can pull that invoice and come back next time and speak to you. I just want to say that we have this scheduled for next meeting. So, we'll just continue this path and move on to the next line. So we have it already on the next agenda. We'll cover it at that point. Thank you. Further questions.

Thank you. I come to ask for some help. Um, we live in the community or subdivision out here on 351. We got some issues out there with some people driving fast. uh talked to Casey about it. He said they could come out and they could give a ticket, but then the county county attorney would just throw it out. I need to find out what we've got to do where we can maybe enforce some of the laws out there. Uh help us out out there because this gentleman's he's a kid. Um rides 505 mph down our road out there. We've got families, young kids. stuff like that. So, we're just asking for some help from the county to find out what we can do to get this taken care of. We pay our taxes just like everybody else does and stuff. And no one thinks we should do the same benefit I guess as everybody else does except we're looking for some help. What we're looking for if you guys can give us any Yes, sir. Uh Clayton,

which road is it? Mr. Mr. Chairman sir road. Just pass back off to the north. 351. Yes, sir. Oh, 351.

Yeah. Oh, I see. [clears throat]

I'll have to look into potential enforcing issues and I can touch base with uh sheriff later and would circle back. But yes, in the event that it the the question does come up whether or not you can enforce or not. Uh speed limits are only enforceable on public roads where there are speed studies that have been conducted. I can't speak to what this looks like. I I don't know. I'd have to do some research and get back to you. But in all likelihood, if it is a private road and it is maintained as a private road, uh there is no ability for traffic enforcement on a private road. Okay. So, what what do we have to do to get some kind of enforcement out there uh for this situation? I mean, you know, we're stuck out there by ourselves. Um we don't get nothing from the county. It's private road. I take care of the road most of the time. Um you know, so I need what can we do to get some help out there for the community and for our little community out there. There's quite a few folks out there that are living there and stuff. Um and and you know we kind of like where we're doing where we're living at and stuff. But you know again we get back to you know the growth stuff's not the issue. It's the being able to force a speed limit when you got a man that we've asked numerous times to slow down to try to keep you know from somebody getting hurt or a cow from getting hit or a horse from getting hit or something like that. But yet we can't get no no no help from our our county or our sheriff's department. That's kind of ridiculous on my part. I think anyway, you know, we pay taxes instead for for this to live here. So, you know, Mr. Chairman, sir, how about we have a conversation after me to talk through [clears throat] exactly what this all looks like and and some of those steps that you need to do. Again, I'd have to do some research on the plots and figure out exactly what the status of the road is and everything else before I can fully answer those questions.

Sure. I'd like to piggy back on that partic also. It's not maintained by the county and I recognize notably the county to maintain it for me. I have to bring it up to county specifications as a class one road. Go through the expense of that plus uh the appropriate easements right away on the sides of the road. Um, and in order for me to do that, it would be up to the land owners to put that cost. All the land owners would have to give an easement to do that. And once that's brought up, at that point in time, I could have that road. I experienced the same thing as as you do. I lost a dog here several weeks ago and the person speeding through and they didn't even have the decency to stop. So, I I recognize what you're going through. But if there were something that I could do in regards to my role, I can't. But I would share that with you if that makes sense. I pay taxes just the same as you and everyone else on the road. And we're just kind of those areas that there's no solution unless we purchased it that way and it wasn't developed in the subdivision. That's what we have to accept. Right.

And I'm not trying to be callous about being nobody. I understand that. But and I'm not worried about the road. I'm not here for the road stuff. I'm more worried about a young young kid or something get run over out there because some jack can't, you know, slow down and obey the laws and stuff. I don't want that to happen. Period. You know, I used to dig holes in front of my uh yard there. So people would remorse and slow down as that seems Mr. J.

So and I understand Marvin we've talked about this and I goofed you up last time remember on the meeting. Uh but you know the sheriff's office will go onto private property and do things you know and I I'd like to know what the difference is you know on your private property or going on a private residence to investigate something. So there has to be some kind of coverage per say hopefully can work some out.

Well, and that's when I asking these questions, you know, because we're a lost out there, you know, and this has been going on quite a bit. The young man has since moved on, so it's not so bad right now, but there for about a year and a half, it was it was a problem, you know, and I'm talking this this kid running 50 55 mph. There should be 20, you know, and so we need some help. We do, you know, be more than happy to meet with the county commissioner or county attorney and see what we can do out there on that, you know, we need some help out there.

Can I say something please? the first mile that JLE would you come to the mic say thank you from the from the highway down to to the first mile your name please Bill Hawker thank you William Hawker the first mile of BLM is that considered private or public federal federal roads can be made uh so they're maintained under the regulations and maintenance. I I was more referring to being able to write a ticket and get it to stick.

I was taking BLM road. Mr. Chairman, let me keep looking at this. That would be that would actually depend on the easement and whether or not it's exclusive or not exclusive. I don't know, but I'm happy to get some. Thank you.

Thanks, guys. Thank you. Good morning. Um, all right. So, I just have a few updates here. I did receive an update from Andre regarding the proposal for the renovation of the Broom from Jorgensson's. Uh, Jorgensson's came back said it was at least going to be 50,000 including the data wiring that I had a proposal done for as well. that was came in at 10,000. So, a file room at the attorney's office to renovate would be at least 60,000.

Um, and in regards to the side size of that room,

uh, the size of the room, it's almost a lateral, right? I mean, the one thing that we do get out of that is we get room for me and my staff to, but we're still limited on storage. We're still limited on on a lab area and that's something I'm already kind of discovering in the office I'm currently at. I have one little desk in there and that's all you can fit that I can utilize to troubleshoot peripheral devices, um, reimage computers, things like that. I guess what that limits me to is I can only work on one thing at a time. with the lab area. I'm hoping that I can work on we get a shipment of new computers, things like that. I can reimage five six of them at once. Also working on some networking projects. Um I think that would speed up my abilities within the county to provide better service to our to our to the staff members within the county.

I also wanted to follow up with the gentleman regarding the uh the modular trailer. Uh the estimated cost is 82 $82,282. Um I did add some skirting on it and that brought it up a couple thousand dollar. Um additional cost for that would be the hookups for power, water, sewer, and internet. I think those would be mitigated. The only one that I didn't see that would be a a uh kind of an endeavor I guess would be the the internet while the right there it will be a recurring revenue or a recurring fee excuse me Mr. So on that you'd have that 10,000 too, wouldn't you put the stuff over there? You send any we have to the county attorney's office that extra fee for the set of

Yeah. So would it be on top of that price there you gave us on the trailer and stuff? That would be on top of that price. I mean you added in

that's just the trailer. I haven't got a price yet for the well actually I it would be between 675 and 800 a month for the internet connection for the pointto point and that that's based off of what I've seen from union and every other department and how they're currently priced. Guess the big difference. Now I can go with the the smaller of the two which is a 158 pointto-point pipe just for the internet connection. Excuse me.

Yes. 10,000 to get wiring into that. [clears throat] Oh, into the into the filing room. I think it's actually when I had the trailer spec they will wire it for me. So that's all included. So then we're looking at 82,000 plus the skirting. Is that the extent? Yeah, that's I realized that after our last meeting probably wanted to cover the tires that

um I know Road and Bridge has volunteered some of their time. I talked to Blake about the water hookups, things like that. So I I believe we'd be able to get Andre the assistance with Yeah. totally cost. So does that trailer where it's all done and you're just doing point of connection for sewer and water? That's that's my understanding sink has to be plumbed. Every toilet has to be plumbed. to my understanding is we just have to hook up the plumbing a little.

Okay. When could this unit be up and functional? They will have it ready. I placed the order. They said they can have it ready in 30 days. Okay. When does time start? Time starts April 1st. Leila IL what are you going to do with him between April 1st and perhaps if this comes in

Leila Illoway I need to speak to her again. I was just waiting till after this meeting but uh she had said that she had a spare cubicle in the planning and zoning office that we would probably make his new home temporarily. Obviously, that's not a working solution for a long time, but it would give them a place to set up a computer, a phone, and actually be able to do some work and and store files. Um, discussion on mov. I've never been for the idea of the trailers. I've seen schools use them set up and they're just a problem. I mean, it's not a permanent thing. Even what sounds like it, you know, that's going to take up part of that parking lot. We call it those people across the street, put our maintenance vehicles over there, you know, I mean, it's that's all I'd like to say just and and I recognize that and debating it. We need to come out with an option because again, no one has come forward with any options. And in this regard, it goes back three maybe four months. We've been talking about shoot reality goes back a year and a half when uh your predecessor was instructed to hire an assistant in 24 and it was brought up again last summer approved in her budget to hire someone. Um at that point in time both time periods we had to cross the bridge of where to put them but we haven't done anything to resolve that other than down the road we're at the point where we have an individual coming in

and can basically came to the can't go any further. We need to do something as a as a commission to do it and But there's no viable options. Well, the county's got possibilities. I mean, I still think we need to pursue say trailer is a temporary fix. They never made to be a permanent fix and it's going to cost more than projected here to get it all hooked up instead of the city. So, anyway, I mean, it's okay. I'm against it, but I'm

and I recognize that the problem that I have and I've been chasing this for months is no one can come up with any options for me. I'm going I'd love to add um Oh, out of Weeden Pest, see if we could uh put you out there in Steve Kips building and make some adjustments. and it's not big enough to share. I don't think Billy has any room over to his right to be somewhere.

Correct. So, but that's what we're looking at is and you're correct finding other buildings but haven't been able to locate it and then for the purpose of the work rest over here in one of these small buildings to that I do I do agree with Commissioner Bradley. I'd really like to be centralized so I can provide better support. I do I I understand the logistics and and the struggles we're having here at the same um the extension office that was the temporary attorney's office years ago. Um, it's a module. Same same thing I'm looking at. And I I know we're still using that, I guess, is my point. But I I I know a trailer is not the optimal solution for this. But at the same time, I feel like especially getting my first week under me, that it's something that we need to find a space that suits us so we can succeed in this position and move forward to a better IT department by better service and having opposite offices and confined to a office the size of a closet. It's not the right solution long term. Granted, I'll I'll do whatever you guys want me to do. Commissioner White hit the nail on the head courthouse everyone in one facility and that discussion probably sooner than later but in the

interim it does not alleviate the issue that you have probably everything there that's pretty cheap square you Is there are you making a motion please? These other two take first. Sure.

I think this is the best option we have in front of us right now. So the mandate that's going to get us through who knows for how long that we're going to have to do it. There was some discussion for the visitor center that went away now. I thought that was something shant. area.

Would you release? No, I understand that. But I understood Clayton said she was she was going to move out there. Yes. That's why I just ask for only being here for a short period of time.

I know. Sorry to interrupt, but I didn't know if you had any opportunity to have a conversation with the upstairs office at the visitor center to find out the status of that. Um, I did on Friday and I just haven't had a chance to relay it to relay it to you. Um, that tenant is happy as a client right there. That accomplishes it. Thank you. Okay. Appreciate it. That's all I need. Yes sir.

Okay. Okay. So great question. always knew that term [clears throat] I don't know about the trailer agreement with commissioner Stevens that thing bunch of issues you set it up there first thing you're going to have to screw it you're going to have to go out and all fit in together So at some point we're talking 85 90,000 jumps up to 154 done and right now we're going to end up if it's there we're going to end up with folks that they parked in there that's going to go to that push I guess I'm not in favor of it from the standpoint of think there's going to be temporary for about that and then what are you going to do after that you're going to make that move again some place it's going to have to be centralized what's what's what are the options or squeeze closer together. I don't know. Unfortunately, no one's come up with a viable option and that's where we were at this point. [clears throat] Well, there could be one other Mr. Chairman, there'd be one other option here in the courthouse.

This will get a lot of place the break room that the employees have there. We can downsize that some place else there. There's a spot too all that opened up in conjunction with the existing IT office substance. I will see that but it's right there. The move is where it is. I mean then what we to one individual or two how can we work with the other 25 I don't know maybe we just have to come to an agreement to get along with someone instead of everybody having their own way. That could be an option too about the commission about that too.

Yeah, we've at a point where is it an option or not? I make a motion for a while to research.

I'm ready to move forward with this. So, Mr. Chairman, I make uh I'll move to approve Craig um to set this office project up with a full cap of 110,000 should you have to go over 110,000 go back and have a conversation with us before anything else happens motion motion and second is there any further discussion I have to look at it We ourel this corner we put ourselves in this corner. We had been two years as our commission. We haven't shame shame on us. Um and the IT position is oh basically the heartbeat of what we do is if that system goes down the activators can't get the bang for their buck that they need from the offices and everything. Well, when I said moving in the break room, I guess what I should say was because the break room could still be smaller, which it would be into the current it then would be bigger into the break room, which it is, but I suspect until there's better option other than the trailer that could be moved. is very large.

Thank you. You care to address that?

Yes. Um I I understand again the dilemma we're in this space the current state of the county. Break room. I know that's not going to be a popular one. Number one. Number two, it doesn't address the lab and it doesn't address my storage issues. Every communication room in the county is bumped full of junk stuff that I'm trying to get a plan to hopefully do like a buyback program. I'm understanding that they there are companies that buy back retired equipment. Something that I could hopefully make some additional revenue back to the county with while getting rid of this stuff. Um, I I need a storage area for that. I need it for an inventory. It's It's a lot. You know, there's what, 193 desktops in the county. And at any time, I have probably 20 in that little office I'm in right now. That's just the one I'm working on that I'm inheriting. So, the the storage is a big deal. The lab's a big deal. I understand the trailer as a temporary solution, but I think that's for me. I'll do whatever you guys want. I'll happily do it. That that's the that's the one that gives me the opportunity to succeed in this. Thank you. Thank any further discussion just to comment to [clears throat] flip the break room to his office. Now, you cannot put the sink in there. There's no sewer in that corner of the building. like where clerks in the bathroom is, all that sewer runs out through the sally port and then everything in the jail and everything

else out runs out the other way. So that little corner of the building where all three buildings got tied together, there is no sewer. It would be astronomical to try to get a sink put in his old office and flip the blank. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Mr. chairman tries to pay the comments. I already measured that that trailer bill. It's not going to block any of the parking mess any of the food trucks. It's it's in that back corner over by the title place um where the other trailer sat for I don't know how many years I was there where the attorneys were. It's um it it ain't going to mess with any of Audrey's parking or any of the deputies and the detention where they park there. It's no one parks where this is. Um also on the trailers there's sealed bottoms so all the all the water lines that are in the floor. So long as you have skirting around it burn and I mean you can off the state for many years. Um I just want to throw that before you lay bill. So and now hasn't been a problem this year but for every year it's always brought up and in the past it's how everybody filed their snow exactly where the trailer's going to be. hotel, you have to haul it out. Now, what that's going to be an issue down the road, that trailer, where's that snow going to be piled?

It's I mean, they're just going to have to, you know, probably plow it on, you know, on down. I mean, the county puts snow there, too, from that thought. You know, it's not just that, but I mean, it's been an issue brought up every year, but I think snow and we always haul it off. Yeah. I mean they're they're gonna have you know they're gonna have to I mean there is quite a bit of space you know I mean um but yeah I mean the snow you know they're going to have to figure out it's kind of hotel pushes all their snow

but everybody gets you know I'm just the hotel talked about has to be hauled off and stuff is our snow their snow right it's all whatever piles think we have to do all the snow at the clubhouse. It will be a little bit of a challenge, but really I think we just flip the pile instead of putting it the other corner and we can put it over by the power pole on that corner so that the cleaning crew can all still back out. And if anything, you might just have to come get snow a little bit more. But you guys get snow so quick anyways that it'll be a little bit the motel will be the most affected which by right they're supposed to keep their snow on their property anyways.

So that'll be something we'll address them and tell them they can't. You can tell them they can't. No, I'm just saying. I mean it's if it's snowing it's a problem for us. Yeah. I mean it it wouldn't I think Harvard did that for him this year. I mean, it wouldn't be that hard for him to come down the alley and put it where I think we're going to put the pile like we always have. If you're still okay with that, but we can make the snow work, but we can't. Thank you, buddy. Thank you, Billy.

Okay, we'll close this to public comment. Any further questions, discussions in this regard? have a motion in a second. Um with the uh proposal as presented with the cap of $110,000 to be fully functional further and close it to a question and debate. Um, all those in favor of I IO name.

I'm going to go along with it, but I really got reservations because I don't see this staying with you very long for very long. But but I'm I'm going to tell you just like just like this other deal we got pretty bad. The stuff I thought was 920,000. We're thinking that's 110,000. I guarantee you it won't be that. And what will happen is we'll get into it, come back and say, "Well, you know, it's only going to cost another 35,000 and we're already into 110." So, what option do we have? We're going to okay it. So, if we stick to it, guarantee it won't get done at 110 as long way it works in this world today. Unfortunately, we found challenged me accept.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner. Quick. Uh, okay. So, our schedule is as follows. Uh, quick break and we have Mesa And uh we can bump the procurement policy into the afternoon because of a time we're have an 11:30 lunch commitment for we're at the senior center the seniors there for their corn beef and cabbage I think I'd like to see the senior citizens while I'm down here and then um of course what we want to do is u we have the golf course restaurant prior to that 10 minute break back here in 11 at 10:48 is Mason. the caring please.

Thank you chairman commissioners. My name is Carla Cely. I've been the director of Mesa for 14 years since its inception. This is Aaron Casey. She's also a board member. Um, and also in with us we have Stacy Jones who's our fair who's one of our little writers and we have family here who's also part of our Mesa Mesa program and Becky Crow, sorry I didn't speak [laughter] Becky Crow is also a new member of our board and a volunteer. Um, just a quick start, Mesa, we started in June of 2012 um with some startup funding given to us by the county. Um, we've been a mobile operation from day one. Um, we have spent our all of our years bouncing around from private property to private property wherever we could could have lessons and who was gracious enough to let us be there. We have always pastured our horses on private property as well as least. We don't have anything of our own except for our horse trailer and our truck. Um, and people have been very generous to let us let us do that over the years. Um and and we had a pre program when we were uh able to be down in Boulder River Ranch there, but still technically we were a mobile mobile operation. Um we really appreciate that the rodeo grounds and the fairgrounds have allowed us to use their facilities. Um there have been uh moments where we've been able to be kind of gone from our programming type of other community activities. Um and uh there are times when um in our public facilities that this the the population that we serve, there's some sensitivity to sensory issues. And so if we are in like a really busy days like the fairgrounds are super busy, it's it's pretty difficult to have um lessons sometimes on those days because of the sensory issues in the environment. Um we have been sustainable financially um from day one. We we got the startup money and we still have um feel like we've done really well. we're trying to set aside some money so that someday

when we do get our own our own land or our own permanent facility that we will be able to build an indoor barn. Um but with the rising prices of the land, we just feel like we we can't find a location near town that's affordable right now. And with that, I'll go ahead and let you talk.

Yeah. So, thanks Carla. I'm going to talk a little bit about the process that has led us to come before you today with this request. So, I started volunteering with Mesa shortly after I moved to Pineale in 2022. And in my first interactions with the program, I was so impressed by what Carla and the board have built, the quality of the program that they have, how much Carla has worked to prioritize the safety and the learning of all of the writers that we have going through the program. And that led to some conversation about some bigger questions about how we could better serve the individuals in our community throughout Subway County who would benefit from ecoin assisted services. And that led to me facilitating a couple of meetings with the board in January of 2024 where we talked about the strengths of our program, some of the weaknesses that we had, some of the opportunities that we saw and different partnerships might be able to form throughout the county. in order to better fulfill our mission. And after that meeting, we had a little bit more clarity, but we realized there was a lot of learning left to do. And so Carla and I and the rest of the board members really started thinking about different models of ecoin assisted services facilities throughout the country. We've looked at some very different models and really come to an understanding of what it is that our county needs and our writers need so that we don't have to have a wait list so that we can serve the individuals who would benefit from our services but whom we just don't have the capacity for right now. And so that led us to just kind of this journey of realizing that what we really need is a permanent facility where we can keep our horses and offer lessons at the same location. And Carla is going to share a little bit about the specifics of how our program runs and why that would be such a gamecher for Mesa. But before I hand it back to her, I just want to say how

proud I am of the board and of Carla for continuing to prioritize just an incredibly high quality safe program that adds so much value to the lives of our families. Hi, should I say I missed your I'm Aaron Hasty. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you Aaron. So the the greatest limiting factor for Mesa is that we can only put four horses in our horse trailer and where we are riding right now, we can only ride two week in Heinale. Um so that limits us. We we adhere to the professional association of therapeutic horsemanship organizational standards and procedures um to ensure that that we do uphold safety and procedures and have a quality program. Um with that, our horses are only allowed to have three lessons a day. So, if we can only have four horses, three lessons a day, that only allows us to provide lessons for 12 riders a day. So, we're really limited in the capacity that what what we can have. Um, if we had our horses at the same location that we gave our lessons, that would be a huge game changer. We would be able to have 7 to eight head of horses, we'd be able to ride up to 5 days a week at least, and we could almost quadruple the number of people that we could service with our lesson program at that point. And by having a permanent facility, we'd be able to keep all of our tech in one place, we'd be able to have larger variety of saddles, bigger courses, and and such. And I think we would um be able to just really really expand our programming and do more for our community like we would like to do, we've been wanting to do, but we just really can't do it on the truck and trailer anymore. Um, so we would like to ask the county if we could have access to use the 20 acres south of the 4 barn. We feel like that is a really ideal property um, locationwise. It's really important to be close to the schools and close to town for transportation purposes and um, it would allow us to expand our current adaptive riding program. Um we did just open up our services to adults of small adults because we don't have the capacity to serve a larger um large

adults right now. Um we have started up an ecoin assisted learning program. Um that's something that we can get off the ground. And another thing that I think is really important. It's something that I've been wanting to do for years and years, but I feel like there's a huge need in this community and is that that is a um a workplacement program for the young adults. um like such as Yian and be able to provide an opportunity for for young adults to be able to come in and work at the barn, do chores, and I think that's I I've heard a resounding need for that within the community over the years. And that's something that we could we could add to our programming. Um in email communications with uh I believe it's Lindsay Dip, who was the lawyer for Pure West, she agreed. I have a email here that um Mesa does fit within the deed restrictions of that land and it would be a county commissioner's decision from there on. As a final thought, um we've been very very fortunate to have such a generous community and individuals that want to keep Mesa Mesa going and they've been working in the shadows. Um we've survived on borrowed property, borrowed land, borrowed horses, borrowed equipment, and operating out of the home office. And I think it's time that we need to think about succession planning. Um I'm not going to be here forever. Um I've put 15 years into this program right now and I don't want to see Mesa go away when I go away. And so I feel it's really important that we that we start having our own permanent facility so that we Mesa can continue on. Um with that you guys have any questions? Are there any questions from the individuals here?

So with the permanent home with you, it would allow you to have capacity for bigger horses where we could get back to where ocean the larger kids that would be able to drive again. Yes.

Question from online. No comment. So, um, what we're asking is to be able to use that, um, we'd like to ask the county, if this is something that you'd be willing to do, if you would the road into that area and then we we would provide all the fencing in the pastures, then most of our stuff would be portable in case that somebody some generous donor out there did want to give us our own piece of property. Um, we would be able to take everything we had and move it along with us. Um but we we would really like to be able to have make this consider this a permanent field um for Mesa. It would really be important to I believe no there was a confusion is looking for an investment in the county of $50,000.

That would be for improvements to the property that the county would benefit from if Mesa were to ever leave the property. So that's for water, power, and um the road improvements. Am I saying this? So you're looking for 597, right? Correct. Is that people like it drawn to the worst case scenario? That's correct. And then pure west uh is going to give us approval of your being on the property. I don't know how it works with that but so you must have that. I don't see it. I do. I mean I have a copy here. Great.

Thank you. Sorry, I did have a phone call from a Dennis Schroer supporting everything that you did. Um, actually requesting that one time that puts to go up on top of the hill there. I thought that was the right kind of we accept that property. We sure would [laughter] meet.

And I know this young cowboy right here, what a great young man he is. Been out to see me for past four years. Does a great job. And he's actually a great great figure. He has an example of what you do. Everyone, thank you so very much. That's the purpose of of me getting individuals that clearly was. So, thank you. Questions, comments?

I got a comment. We've known you a long time, Carl. Anybody has I know it's a great, wonderful program. No problem with that, but you know, it's all down to money, okay? You know what I mean? and we justify for the taxpayers the 50,000. Okay. And that's you know that's the only thing that I see that with my biggest concern and your concerns really good questions. I guess I couple things I've been involved with this through the years whether it's pasture horses are offered an arena I think this group would thrive and be able to grow and obviously offer more services if they could just find a landing spot I struggle with 50,000 I' I' I'd like to ask one more favor if this were to go through there's some dirt work for an arena and the road work I mean is that something that the county could take on we wouldn't add Do you guys tell me do it? I'll do it.

I I'd rather support something like that than throw out another 50,000.

Well, I'm sorry. And that proposal, the way that is out, I guess that was our intentions was that that most of that as far as the road base and electricity is pretty much there. Um, it's right there by the 4 office. But as far as the dirt work and all that, that is something that really like the county already has all the machinery and equipment and operators to to do. So we feel like this is what we are asking is only improvement of that land that will remain that way and it isn't won't ever be taken away from your property. It's just getting approved which I in our minds it's a pretty pretty reasonably pretty reasonable request because we we have um you know as far as like the arena and things like that like we can find donors and partial donations for for that as well. Um can I talk for a second? U my name is Stacy Jones. Um yeah, and it wasn't we weren't asking like you guys to give us $50,000 that it would maybe take that if you helped us put it into like fixing the road and and doing those things and like with the the water, the electricity. Yeah. getting already that what's out there, but over to where we could use them. It's we didn't we didn't want you to hand us $50,000. It just it might would take some like that, but you know, with help and and that to to get that um to make the road in there a little bit better, safer, you know, those things. So, we didn't want a $50,000 check. We

just need that extra to help us make it so it's usable for us. So yeah, same the question for develop case in regards to liability insurance. I would presume that you would need to or have something namely as traditionally for liability. Yes. And we've already do that with fairgrounds as well. want to make sure that we learn that they have absolutely sure

yes commissioner so have you got bids on what the wel cost and the power company is prohibited now rather you know where they you're going to have to have your own box out there probably junction box you know where it comes from the other place you can't have them both on one I mean I've been hearing people they just law and what they're charging to run, you know, power lines and stuff, you know, I mean, it's like four or 5,000 for the boxes, you know. So, and you haven't done any bids on what the well would be or what you know where you would would be setting stuff. Have you looked at it how you might set it at the corral where they would be out there now?

Yes. Yes, we have. Like, and that's part of the drawing that's that's in that proposal. It would just be well if I had the shape that the the property is shaped in like a long triangle and um it would be the lower half of that pretty much. and 237

and the only entrance would be there by the 4 cuz that's you know we're going to run into a problem there because we just spent 100,000 on electronic gate you know so you're going to have to be problem with that gate and unless you could put in a different entrance somewhere else because but hey I just hope you I'd like to see some bids of what you can actually get that D we can do Um the last time we had a water well drug um personally was a $15,000 well um

I don't know if necessarily we have to have a water well or if we could tie into the water line for 4 office it's already there take so much of it doesn't because all we really need is stock water just for some stock takes it doesn't have to be We can do that.

So, so Mr. and so all in it's true about that when I look down at the total investment instead in the center of one great building and that's the preparation of the ground because from my experience like this that's going to have to go away or should mostly especially where they didn't have their facilities and that's not an easy heal. Well, Russian beat up and you can't do that. But then when he leaves stops everybody like this and now we can so at that kind of situation I would be normally for me somewhere. First thing I do beat that brush. But I got to go in and kind of stir it up so I can get reinstall sometime brush down there. Then I've got to go back in and I'll see if I don't even have a nice clean piece of property. I don't know whether you've talked 28 acres to just enormous but but that certainly done that's not an easy deal

when I first heard something about this there I wonder were you going to be able to get the authorization to do so you yes that's what this letter is I didn't see that. So now [laughter] they just pass.

So couple years ago three or something like that. I'd get back up with the punch line. I live with a young man young business that I said he got out of that. But he and I had come to an agreement that hey if it's expensive project we probably done that cost a lot of money. I'm still inclined to do that in my business. I come to whatever I can do to help on a fancy project with the equipment that I've got without going out and finding something else. I'd certainly be coming in and doing them, but you're going to have to have things what your product is going to look like. where all the way around. So those things happen but not tired of closure. At least I haven't seen it.

No, that's that's it. Um it's going to be the back pasture turnout and then

yes. Yeah. No, I see I see that. What I'm saying is this is the 28. No, it's just a fraction of the 28. This is a very small portion and the rest doesn't have the balance 28. [clears throat] It's already fenced. I mean the perimeter it would just be say this is where the 4 office is and this is Hagen science down here. Yeah, but it's fenced. I'd have to go look at again. It seems to be like the expensive part and I could be wrong. That's fine. No, it's not. If you got horses you want to take care of, I can guarantee you you can

burn your pastors. I mean over time wonderful, but that's what they're living in. If you have that's fine if that's what you that's what you want to do. out of company horse. We have to be pretty selective about the horses we take. And one of that those reasons is because we've had to pastor them in a lot of different settings and so they have to be respectful of a lot of different types of fences.

Anyway, I'm part of the project. I just I just don't want to like a lot of projects quite you can actually choose and not be able to [clears throat] get the project that you want then back to the property Sam is that a sale or lease to them how is that so that that property the whole history of that property was owned by QEP yes

QP donated that property to the county so county fully owns that property to put a deed restriction on the future that property would be used for the use of sub. That's how that piece um reads. Carl reached out to our our land department as well um fall within that restriction that you put on that property and yes it does.

But we own the property. There is nothing more. I mean, if we wanted to do whatever we wanted to do with that property, we could know that there's a deep restriction on reach out to us that their thoughts on it is required. Back in just a second.

Was my statement correct? We own that property altogether. There is a deed restriction. the deed restriction on that property is that it should be shall be used for the use of Salt Lake County when it was given to the county by QEP. Um Carla reached out to Pure West above and beyond just to see if that was in spirit of the way they read it. Pure West response was yes that was within spirit of that restriction but we own that. There is nothing I mean if we wanted whatever we wanted to do in the county we could do. Is that the restriction correct?

Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White. Uh yes, that is correct. And so the with the restriction the dominant estate is Q. So if Q is saying we're good with it and we're fine with it, then yes, the county has the authority to operate in that space.

Okay. So let me ask this question also in conjunction to that. So if if I'm leasing the piece of property, so to speak, I don't own it, but I lease it. If anything I put in the ground stays with that property, when I move off, it stays there. If I want to take it with me, it's got to be portable. So I can scoot it around and they lift me. Is there would there be a concern here if they build a structure a program structure that down the road if this commission is not sitting there they say hey you guys haven't done what we think you should do we're going to boo you got that property county own the property is that correct or not chairman Bernard commissioner Vicky uh the way that that would work would be depending in the language in the lease itself. And certainly in the event that the county were to authorize this use on the property, uh we would certainly have an agreement in place that detailed all of that all of those details.

Okay. Yeah, fair enough there. But if you've got something permanent in the property, it's a little difficult to take that.

It's Commissioner Bernard and Commissioner Victory. Yes. But the contract will govern that. And so, yes, even a permanent structure can be uh can be moved. Yes, it's harder. Uh but I do believe they said they were going to try and do stuff temporarily in case they were able to obtain their own property. But we would certainly make sure that it was buttoned up, bells and suspenders so that there was no questions down the road in the event that a future commission needed uh that land for another purpose or in the event that these folks voluntarily opted to to renew themselves. Well, the only reason I bring that up is because she's invested what 15 years of this program. Yeah, that takes dedication. It's her compliment. So when you go, the next person steps in there, are they going to have that dedication there and lies the issue?

Absolutely. You you you think people dedication.

Well, we're already in favor of helping you however we can. How's that? Thank you. No, and we have started the succession planning process. So we are finding that person and we are make sure that that makes it organizational they can do that as well.

Are there any questions comments from the board and further discussion? Let's go. I'll save mine. Um so when I look at this car I'm from the future of Mesa. I'll be a huge supporter of Mesa. Um when I when I look back we just had a meeting a couple meetings ago. We had another great organization. There's lots of great organizations, nonprofit organizations come and ask us if we would file a road all winter long so they can continue to run their great organization which uh benefits the county. This I I look at it as you know what this was something that the the 4 could use the pony club could use every youth that question thing could use. I look at it maybe maybe I could get behind it, but we're it's it's kind of to me feels like we're picking the winners and losers of all of the great organizations within the county and using taxpayer funding to pick those winners and losers. Um like I said, I'm a huge supporter. Don't get me wrong. I just can't get behind um us investing money to for this organization as presented today. If this was like I said something that included all of the youth in sub county um had access to a facility out there probably kind of like the fairgrounds I probably supported at that point but that's my thoughts. Thank you. I can offer some response to contextualization of that. Um, so I think one of the the things that is really important about our program is that we do have to have a little bit of control over the environment. Carlos spoke some of the challenges that we've had on a busy day at the fairgrounds where because of the populations that we're serving, it it's just really crucial that we can provide some sort of sensory boundary around

what our writers are going to experience. And I would note that the 4 has operated an exclusive facility on QEP property I think for well over a decade at this point. If the county commissioners wanted to build a shared ecoin facility in the north end of the county, I as a personal equestrian would certainly be in big support of that. I think if you want to have a facility that could meet all of the different needs of different youth organizations, that's certainly up to you. But I think that would be something that would be a county choice and a county investment. Um Mesa is asking for I think a pretty minimal investment of improvements to the property that will stay with the property if we were to ever leave. And I think that we would certainly be open to discussions about how we could lease the infrastructure that we're going to provide to other youth equestrian participants and with other organizations if that was something that they determined that they needed. comments really good. Um I understand your concern with um trying to serve the biggest population serve all the kids. Um I guess what we are also looking at is a lot of these kids don't have that opportunity to be part of they don't have the opportunity to be part of um hockey or ice skating or just because of the disabilities that they do or may not have. I mean, given my daughter, she looks like, you know, she'd be part of anything and she is very much a part of everything, but there's a history behind there like, especially with her with her heart condition that she may not always be able to participate in school sports in all of these different activities. And this is an opportunity and a a group that is trying to serve that population that is restricted from a lot of the other offerings of the county and the school districts. Um, so I can understand that there's a concern that we are just serving a certain population, but it's a population that I feel like we need to support because they can be restricted in so many other avenues within the county. I mean, we

try to be inclusive, but we are limited, especially when it comes to dealing with animals and getting out of the physical work and having that opportunity. So, I mean, I guess that's where I stand as a parent and even as a member of I mean, I drive the special ed bus right now. I mean, this is a huge part of what I do just as a parent and as a community member. These are children and adults now that we're offering a huge opportunity that they do not get to participate in a lot of different areas like 4, like hockey, like what I've said. So, I think it's well worth that we kind of get behind this in some way or another. I like what Aaron has suggested. Even if there's a way that we're providing and is providing the structures, the infrastructures, the fencing that maybe we can share that and lease that with other groups. But again, it's the priority if we've provided that to give that safe environment, that sensory free environment. um you know that would be taking some moving around and I think I think the NASA is open to looking at that but we do have considerations with the population that they're trying to serve.

Sure. And I get that right. I get that uh yeah like I said I'm a huge supporter of Mesa and I get that there's a need for it. Right. there's going to be 10 other organizations showing up saying the exact same story of why we won't find some to land and let them build a facility um where they can run theirs too. So I'm worried about setting a precedent for all organizations that are involved in this county for all different aspects of those organizations. Like I said just two or three meetings ago, we had a great youth organization and wanted us to file road winners so they could continue to use that. We at that time told them no. Um so I I look at it more as yeah we could come up with a plan that allin users use ecoin users an organization use. I'll get behind it.

Mr. Chairman, [clears throat] so I'm not quite as restrictive as Commissioner Light and I'll tell you why. Because I earlier said, I've watched the smiles. I've watched the parents of the kids that are involved in this program. and granted sort of a specific thing because of a specific need, a specific need. And [clears throat] I I I see these the advancement of some of the young people that I've known has had some issues and basic has brought them step step up be more involved in the community. when you set a precedent, that's what this is. And I don't think that's what this is. I think this is making something good happen in the community. We've got a lot of places in Southern County for other horse oriented groups to use the fairgrounds. We've heard about we've got the rodeo grounds up here. I'll guarantee you we've got a lot of kids use that facility. You may say included in the past. There's two different arenas up there. There's places to park and you're not being forced to move your program to allow someone else. That's because is I see one of the issues that would become that would come here is if it was spoken up because Mason is specific. You'd have to have and I watch the budget from the outside

days when two kids show up, days when six kids show up when they're in that time slot. And if that thing was opened up to where you could have all horse groups use it, those kind of time slots would just go away. They would have to to to address the other uses. So I expect if I said it earlier as a commissioner, I'll have to support this. as an individual I support it because I've seen so things that occur out of it. So even sitting next to one another he has a cake we have I think outcome very different way I guess I don't see Mesa their own facility being underest I just don't see that happening if there was never another place to go. I could understand perhaps but but that's not faculty that can take care of some of those other needs that we do the city for me at least I I'll support it.

Are there questions? I'll just bring one other thing doesn't mount anything else. We all support 100%. You know that there's not a question at all. But it's like we got 60 acres there cemetery. Okay. They need it. You know, do they look at this and say, well, if you're giving land away for other uses property, you know, it puts us in a bad position. Well, we have vacant property and other things are needed. You know, I mean, that's an important thing. And you know, I don't I mean, it's this is a tough one. I wish had a little more time to think on it cuz I uh I don't I wish I knew kind of got the estimates of what 50 if it's 23 or you know, some of those things are kind of open-ended here, but there's no question we all supported 100%. That's not the question here.

I'd argue a cemetery is a little more permanent than what we're proposing. It's needed. They don't have any spots here. Okay. They're out of spots. So, you know, maybe that's a very important thing, too. I mean, you're a long ways away from I'm nice. You know, put my ashes up there along the road with you. I don't know just part of what things we face. Okay. I mean, so

I I guess I'd like to add that this arenus is a pretty long size that we've proposed. um that's within our budget and able to enable able to do. Um and again uh we've been very fortunate to be able to to use the rodeo grounds. Um and we share that with 4 and we share that with public club and we share the equipment up there with them. Um nobody maintains that. Nobody takes care of it. Nobody cleans up after themselves. And so having a shared facility uh go out there and I'd have to go clean on the horse poop up prior to us using the equipment and or being able to use the arena. And uh so if we're going to put the money into a into a project like this and to have it be our facility, it's going to be very very wellkept and we're going to expect the same high standards if we were able to share it with somebody else. So we would entertain being able to share this with 4 or pony club. equestrian groups potentially, but it's going to be it would be I guess under I would I would ask that it could be under our control and under so when we do have days off then we could offer that open to to the 4 or the pony club um under our terms where things are taken care of and kept. I feel like that's a really really important factor and and if you get into where everything is, you know, similar like fairgrounds, then you're going to have somebody that's going to have to take care of it. um as a group group thing and I don't I don't feel like this would be a situation where I should have to take care of everybody else's messes type of a deal if we were given this opportunity to do this. But um and this is an outdoor arena right now constructed as an outdoor arena and hopefully potentially we'd be able to to build an indoor arena um cover that uh which would be great if we had if we were given the approval to do something like that. But otherwise all the other

structures would be u portable including the classroom office type of deal. questions or comments according to discussion I'd like to make a motion to make this happen but I'm struggling with our our contribution to water how we want to approach something like that um I think that what we have here we hear that you're talking about coming investment with county equity being brought into it. I suspect that Billy has road base. Yes. Available and then you'd be able to do the uh road into it. and we have water well and piping the two stock tanks. That portion of it uh would be a cost but the other items well except for the electricity. So based on this $15,000 would be covered by counting the other two items of $35,000 and open open. So if you got you into this property and therefore kind of move forward your vision taking care of water and power your sales.

Yes sir. Okay.

I think that would be something that we would iron out in our discussions and you know as Clayton said having everything thought up um to make sure that if we were to leave the property that we were reimbursed for expenses that we had inferred that would be benefits to the property long term then I think that's something we could certainly figure out. Okay. This space for you may offer service that isn't available for these type of people in these countries. I make the motion it makes it into this 20 acres work that we can do. have a motion. I'll second a motion. Um, that's slightly what you're asking for.

Yes, sir.

Bring that up. Have a motion that you have a second. Um, further discussion. Uh, I'll just bring up that gate again. I mean it's something they're going to have to that's quite deal when they 4 leaves and building it very morning. So but [clears throat] um doesn't necessitate precluding them from having theation of that gate county or that it's not doesn't belong with 4. Well, I understand it, but you know, sure they went through their security, not somebody else's. You know, reason you weren't here. You went through,

you don't know what we went through on that little ordeal to get that paid. So, I mean, I just wanted My position is approved since it's not 4. I've dealt with them and they are only concerned on their own their own. So I don't see where it has to be. Well, obviously and then I watched the commission past meetings and put $1.1 million for their grounds in our facility that's only going to use a couple weeks of the year. that doesn't benefit the segment of our population that needs and it's full time versus that that's our battle with me that how we could justify the expenditure and then B will be $50,000 and B motion second is there any other conversation

um I had one to that. When we did our budget last year, we consider that because the budget so that okay, but I'm just saying that, you know, $25,14 doesn't make difference. We didn't have it in the budget. So, this is something when this comes along, it's going to have to be an added expense that we did plan on prepared. Thank you. Okay. Motion to second. Any further discussion? Discussion's closed. All in favor? I

I thank you for your time. 16. Next is we're going to move the procurement policy to after lunch and we're going to go to the golf course restaurant. Please, please.

Um, they've been sitting here all morning and I'm just pointing out I'm just reminding. Thank you. Yes, they'll still be very [clears throat] And from 11:30.

Yeah. Military. Thank you for your time and you know this is enough to debug the microphone. I'm sorry. This isn't our preferred method to we have a private meeting but we prepared a couple statements.

Um we appreciate your time. When we put the proposal into the golf course, we were looking for a good working relationship with good communication. We were told the county wanted to bring up the level of service, the level of food, and the atmosphere. This is what we've been providing and have gotten an overwhelming positive response from our customers. Being in a new location, we were we were aware that there were going to be obstacles that we were going to have to overcome that like we had at our location at Lakeside. Change was always difficult. We realized that I poured everything into this restaurant to make it a friendly, welcoming, and a great place to eat. In the middle of summer, we met with both Sam and Billy to express concerns that the golfers had. We came up with the idea of the discounts on the food and the beverages from the members for the members to enjoy year round. We continue to receive good feedback from them. I spoke with Mike, the head of the men's league about setting up a meeting with all of the men from the men's league who expressed concerns to hear their feedback and see what else we could do for them. Well, Sam and Billy told us that they were ecstatic about that meeting and were happy to join if we could set that up. However, none of them wanted to meet with us. No reason was ever given. They just didn't want to meet with us. Every month since then, we would meet with Billy to pay the rent. I asked him, "How are things going? Are there any other concerns? Is there anything else we need to know?" Nope. Haven't heard anything. Everything. Everybody seems pretty happy. Then we received an email from the county which came as a complete shock to me and my husband. We've had zero complaint, zero communication um was was given regarding any problems, complaints or violations. What is what happened to the communication? If there are complaints, why didn't we hear about them? How how do you expect us to fix anything if we don't know anything is wrong? Um, we never received any kind of

communication that there were any types of issues. Since the beginning when we took over, we made every effort to try and accommodate the requests from the golfers that have been given to us. This in includes the discounts I mentioned as well as special funds that we went out of our way to put together for the golfers. Regarding all of the golf tournaments, I went out of my way to ask them, meet with them, work with their budgets as best I can. the tournaments that got alcohol from us. We barely charged a little more than our cost for that. We really made no money off of that. Um I tried to accommodate one of the golf tournaments in particular. We charge them $10 for a 6 burger, all toppings, all condiments, chips, and dessert. And they told me that was unreasonable. That barely covered my cost of the food and my staff to be there. That's all we were trying to do. I get having the I get you're trying to raise money, but I I we are a business and we do need to at least cover our expenses. I do wish we were in a place where we could donate. Unfortunately, we're not in the finan financial position to do that. This is our first year at our location and we're just trying to get established. Furthermore, this in particular staff um from this tournament was demanding and disrespectful towards me and my staff because they were not getting their way. This behavior was unacceptable and unnecessary. They also damaged some of our decor without so much as an apology. To come into a business and to start rearranging furniture and decor without consulting me is unacceptable. All of these tournaments that ordered through for me through me were told that there was a two week final food headcount. All of them agreed completely fine with that. So after those two weeks to come to me and say we need to change this. I don't want this. I don't want this. I'm sorry. I've already ordered food. I've already prepared food for

this. And then to complain to you guys and to Billy about that I I think is was inappropriate. Um, I've never ever in my 26 plus years of it being in this business have I ever been told that I am difficult to work for or that I'm difficult to work with. If I'm so difficult, then why am I getting additional caterings from some of the people that run these tournaments? Why is my staff that I have that have all these restrictions and can't work this time and can't work that time, I'm able to accommodate that and they're recommending their friends and their fellow co-workers from previous jobs to come and work for me because I am accommodating. Why would I not transfer that to our clientele? I've always worked the best that I can with everyone to try and accommodate special requests. The ladies league always communicated with me and I've always accomodated them with all of their special requests whenever they came in. The last day of the golf season, I provided I wanted to do something nice for the golfers as a thank you for the season. We put out a really nice buffet for them. All complimentary to me. They all seem to really enjoy that. Um, I do know that the contracts for the tournaments were changed so that the restaurant had first rights for food being refused that was offered. I do know that the first tournament always had food donated and I know that may be something that they didn't want want to deal with us. I don't see why they couldn't have just come to us and said, "Hey, you know, we've always had all this food donated. We've always had all of this. Is this something that we can still do because it really brings in a lot of money for our tournament?" And absolutely, I would have accommodated, but once again, nobody's communicating with us. Nobody's giving us the opportunity. Everyone is expecting the the worst from us. We know that since we got the lease, the previous tenants have been have been trying to turn everyone against us and trying to get us out

before we ever even moved in. There were petitions against us from people we didn't even meet before we even took over. Not only did we have to overcome the bad reputation and the bad food in the atmosphere, but now we have to overcome those things that the the golfers that were happy with. Sorry, I just now we have to overcome those that were happy with how things were operated by the previous tenants because they got free food, alcohol, made their own drinks behind the bar. They were also allowed by previous Oh, I already got that. Um, they came in through the back entrance, came in through the kitchen. Um, we continue to have to guide these patrons away from this behavior as it is an ongoing issue. We can't run a business like that. These are the same people that were

x-raying in the bathroom, in the men's bathroom, in the trash cans and smearing it all over the walls for my staff to clean. That's disgusting and it's very inappropriate. I thought we were trying to change that. We don't know them. They don't know us. I had no idea that there was so much hatred and so much judgment towards our family from the people of Pineale, probably most whom never got the time to know us. We're not difficult people to talk to or to approach. How can you expect us to change things or make things work when there is no communication between the parties? We've lived here for 5 years and have always been law-abiding citizens who wants to see this town to continue to grow and a place for families to grow. To personally witness the things we have heard and seen from this community is disheartening. with what she said. [clears throat] We would very much like to finish that release. However, if your minds have not been changed, the council's email stated you're claiming that we are in violation of release. [clears throat] The claim that we are advent to be serve us with a forceful entry detainer, which we would then attend a hearing with council. Um, obviously if we win, we finish out our lease. If we lose, our council would request a bond from the judge which we would promptly pay and then we would appeal which our council informs us can be a long process. A process I believe both parties would like to avoid. So my counter proposal is this. Assuming you haven't changed your minds about letting us see our currently through to turn is that you amend our contract to be terminated. terminated on March 1st, 2027. Cindy and I will sign this lease. This

would allow smoother transition for us for use the city council and whoever you find to be lease. The tournaments could have option to bring in outside food and beverage without needing approval. However, if they're not going to patronize us, we ask uh to enforce policy of preserving restaurant interior and patio seating for paying customers. We have spare tables and seats we would have to provide for them to set up somewhere on the lawn area. And even though you as a council approved our menus before signing the lease, we will remove fine dining options and go to a more simplified all day menu. We will do our best to accommodate requests made to you, the city council, if they are made known to us, including beers we have available on tap. So we hope this second option is acceptable if finishing out her release is not

I wasn't able to fully understand what options were. I'm sorry you were talking quickly and sorry I don't know but

so we we would like to finish up but we understand that um you guys may not have changed. So, um, we're hoping to avoid the the the the legal rigorous because we are repeating that we're breaking our lease. So, my last option was that you terminate, you know, shorten our lease by year to end on March 1st of 2027 of next year. And if you guys make the requests that were known to you of what they'd like to see on our menu, what they'd like to see, we will do our best to make that happen. So if you want all Budweiser and Kors on top instead of the micro brews that we have, we'll do it. It's just we'd rather be working with you and the community than against you guys. This is not something that we saw coming. We wanted coming,

right? We we we wanted time to transition to if that's if that's the only option.

Thank you. Questions from the board. questions, comments, statements, the ability to sell all this and this is this is what the complaints have um just that they all first and Cindy I mean they feel good about paying and stuff. I've I've sat down with them numerous times. um from the very beginning

there's some of the transactions you have start from the very beginning the one thing the Google thing that really bothers me is like you'll see on some of them pages we get bad reviews through the golf course because people send them to the golf course and not to there because they're two different web pages so there's some um I mean what the problems I've had I met with these guys four or five times before we ever did the lease because we've gone down and we've just gone back and just we had the other people that were in there. We had a lot of complaints. I did tell them from the very beginning, you got to make the golfers happy. It's kind of a it's kind of a family out there. And once once you once that goes bad, then it's bad. And um the the things the things where like in the least that we've not that have never been done. The breakfast was a disaster. You guys knew that. We were supposed to have grabb and go. There's never been no grab and go. Um there was never coffee. Um it it were the things that really and then like the beer. Um and me and Sam guys a lot. Um the discount was basically this same me with them but basically the discount parts us telling you that the golfers weren't happy and we pretty much um said you had to do that. Um, we know that was our batch of

that was ours. We met with Sam once. We had a whole freezer full of burritos ready to go. Here's here's the thing that I've had. You guys You guys are good. But we've taught you and I say, "You got to make sure the golf team are happy. You got to make sure it's all about the golfers about the golfers." The tournament thing is a big deal. We have 16 tournaments this year. Not one of them. You mean the Mesa people left, but not one of them um want to deal with the thing about the thing about having them bring their alcohol and the food. It's really hard on the greens for us to just it takes a lot more personnel to try to make this all happen. That food and all that. That's why in the lease agreement we had in there that we had to get all the alcohol and the food from from the the restaurant. It's got to be we've got to work together. And what's what's hard is um I'm I'm just telling you I'm not trying to dump on you guys. I'm just telling you when the golfers have come to me. Um they close at 8:00 after a tournament. I have to have tons and then you go through these. We sent out a survey to the members and we can read a lot. Um the hours you know you guys you know the cheap boys they complained about that. Um I mean this this weekend I had two complaints. I I get I get a complaint a week. Um the bathroom Saturday 1:00 I had some people call me said bathrooms

were disgusting. So I sent Debbie in there to to um to clean. Um and another one said the drinks I had some people calling these people call me and they turn me over to she see me on the she see the my lean food because she said that that your all your drinks taste like cleaning supplies. Um it isn't. Um it's just the golfers think the prices. They don't like the menu. Um they they they would they love your pizza. They you can only get pizza certain times. It's just the golf has, you know, they have a hold. I mean, I'm there to I want what's bad is if the golfers ain't happy, then they're not happy playing golf. So, they go over there and they have a bad experience and then then it's it's just like a vicious circle. Not saying it's anything, but I think they started off wrong, you know, with with stuff. And I mean I um I just and you know I I have had Mike at Lensley tell me you know he I think he's got a something in there about he likes to serve beer. He said he asked you guys and you guys said nope. We brought in gluten-free and so that's the stuff I keep all the golfers keep telling me it's it's you know I other than that they're great to deal with they pay the rent I you know I haven't had any problems get the rent from um I just don't think what they are they're more trying to be fine dining

and that place just needs to be hot pops some bar food And and and to get about the lease, there's no legal there because you didn't follow any of the rules. And I mean, they you know, they they I had the town call me and think about serving alcohol. They know our license does not it's got to stay on our property and they work under our license. So, they were selling at when they were catering with our license and that's that's automatic. And then also I had to get down with the RV park um call me last summer. Remember they had one of the beverage park was over in there. So I' I've had them issues

most of this conveyed to the lieutenants you talked with.

I I' I've told them they have to make the the the golfers hadn't. Um, and I would tell the golfers, try to talk to me. The feedback I got all the time was they're hard to talk to. Um, I I would always just tell Cindy, you know, try to, you know, because every time I'm older, it's really slow and stuff. So, I was like, you know, we got to try to get the golfers to to come in. Um, I, you know, I bought I bought a $6,000 barbecue for real. How many times you guys use that? I mean, that was several times. We did barbecues, but we did a hot dog pick out.

I mean, we were hoping the beverage was going to be out there every week. It maybe a couple times. Um, it's just I know that I mean their food's good. So, I'm not trying to I'm just saying I just don't think they they got on board with the golfers. You know, they they that's that's where we're at. And what's bad is, you know, I got right now I got memberships, you know, that they're like, you know, I don't know if I want to buy a membership because I don't want to deal with that, you know. I mean, believe it or not, I mean, it I know it sounds silly, but them golfers, that is a big they they they want people to go in there and have reasonable beer, you know. Um I you know I had a lady call me matter and he had because charge $18 for her class name. Um I I just tried to you know I kept because I know they were trying to but I just think you know from the very beginning what kind of makes me mad is we four signs I met what four or five and I kept saying got to have you know we got to cater to the golfers and I I think that's where right off the bat we we went more into this fine dining kind of thing instead of making it just a hot dog sell you sell burgers in salad.

Thank you.

Okay.

So, several things. Um, again, we had present our menus and to Billy and you guys before we even signed police. Um, so shouldn't be a surprise of what our menu offerings were. Um, we didn't subtract anything from them. We've only added, you know, smash burgers. Um, we extended happy hour, which you can get a beer for like $3. That goes till six, you know. Um, like Cindy said with the ladies league talked to us um for their when they were there, we extended happy houring through the evening for them. Um, yes, we close at 8:00 during fall and winter when golfers aren't there, but we um stay open till 9:00 and we've even stayed open till 10:00 if the golfers were there drinking. Um, sometimes even 11:00. Um, we've been there pretty late if the golfers were there drinking. Um, again, some of the complaints uh from the golfers were even before we took over and you know, we feel like we've never even been given a chance. Mike, yeah, he he asked us for gluten-free beer. We started bringing in gluten-free beer. We've had golfers ask for highs. We didn't have highs. We brought in highs. You could ask all of our regulars that come in, you know, that they they're happy with us because we do listen to them. Okay. They said, "One thing about you guys is that when we suggest something, you you guys try to accommodate and put that on your your menus." Um, and again with my second proposal of shortening the release by the year, um, like I said, if you guys make known to us what the golfers are saying to you, which they aren't saying to us, regardless of what they're claiming, they're not talking to us, we will do

our best to accommodate those requests, including beer on tap, including what's on the menu. Um we we you know we rather would this would have been a discussion um then I mean obviously you guys have a slew of complaints uh sent to Billy. We we have not we have not nothing was brought to us. I I think Sydney would like to say something. I I wish all of these complaints would have been brought to us. I I don't think I'm not unreasonable. If if I were to have been told, "Your menu sucks. We don't like your menu. This is what we want." I've changed my menu over and over again to accommodate people. But how can I change that if I don't know anything? We we we've been told nothing. So, how how how can that fix anything? It's how could any of these problems be fixed without us being told this is exactly what the golfers are saying. This is what they don't like. This is what they hate. This is what they want to see change. I I can take criticism. I can take complaints. I can take all of that. But I can't change anything if I don't know what the problem is. And we've had we've had pots of coffee that we've thrown away that nobody's come in for as much as a single cup. We've had freezer full of quick and easy burritos to to warm up that we've eventually got freezer burn, had to throw away. We've had a lot of breakfast product that we've had to throw away, but yet we still stayed open. yet we still uh paid employees to be there even though none of the golfers ever came in to have breakfast. We've

had breakfast sales but none of them were ever golfers. So, um, again, it's it's very disheartening for us and again, we'd rather be working with you and the golfers for the the next year, not even instead of, you know, doing the [clears throat] alternative, which would be, you know, us trying to fight and appeal this Thank you. Appreciate that. Um, [clears throat] questions, comments from the board. Wait, is this a a voting item?

One more time. This an item that we voted on. Oh, voting. I think loading. Um, Mr. Chairman, ultimately you all made a decision prior, correct? And so, if you wanted to undo that decision, you can. Um, but that's up to you guys.

Wonderful. That's all I need to take. Is there anyone that wants to make a motion in regards to um amending our prior action? No. The information that we had early on indicated that it time to make a change and stick with [clears throat] okay. At this point in time, the uh original um vote um determination stands. No further action will be taken. Okay, at this point I will break for lunch.

meeting back. Up next is [clears throat] the procurement policy and everyone has the latest red line from the individ Is that correct? So going through we've had comments from a little I'm aware of from fire and then ver from Andre here if you like to go ahead address some of the findings that we have. That will be done in Mr. Chairman Commissioners. Thank you. Appreciate the opportunity to uh discuss the policy um as well. uh you all uh got a copy of my email and I'm I'm willing to answer any questions that you may have um certainly those sort of changes. I think the big I think the biggest thing is um feasibility especially with the vehicle procurement policy um for speaking specifically for the sheriff's office and not for the county as a whole. Um, I think that would and I'm not I'm not gonna speak for Billy. He can speak for himself, but I think this would be a a tall task for him to undertake. No, no doubt that he probably could do it, but

that's no cons considerable heartache and uh and issues. But I really I really, you know, if this if this policy in effect is trying to be more fiscally responsible, um I think we would be going the opposite direction. I said one of the step back and look at this from the beginning if we can share it there. Yeah. Um when doing a business is the number of people do and they go out for basic services. [clears throat] They go out and purchase tires. They're a single owner shop and they go out and we hire to have it done. As my business grows, I hire employees to work for me and with me. And as my grows, I'll eventually hire to take care of my repairs, take care of fires, take care of different things like that. That makes sense. The purpose for that is so I can have individuals on call to address my needs. So I don't have to book out weeks in advance. And when I when they go out, this is only restoration example. If you go out go out and purchase a tire for $300, that's what I pay. It's $300. But if I go to an outside source, that outside source buys for 300. I hope I have the same buying floor as as outside businesses. And then they have their markup on it, x number of dollars. And then they have their own mechanic,

tire changer that they hire and they pay the hourly wage for them, but then they have a markup on that employee also. And at the end of the end of the day, depending on the business that's doing it, this markup's going to be anywhere from 20 to 50% or greater depending on where you business. I'm using this as an illustration, not negating anything that you said, but county is needs to look at this as a business and say we have capability on payroll to go out and purchase these items. And then we have further the employees, the equipment needed to make the repairs, to make them changes. And these are all at cost, if you will, with no markup associated with us. And so for us to say, well, we need to do business with different county businesses. And I agree with that to the extent of if we have the resources to do it, then we need to do it in house because ultimately it saves every taxpayer money. and we're not on a frivolous basis. And I think that makes sense there when it comes to the procurement policy. That's a different uh different topic and I'd be interested in in further exploring that.

Yeah, Mr. Mr. Chairman, um I understand uh your concept and in a uh in a regular business world, I think that makes complete sense. However, I think we're missing the mark here and I think we are in in going to end up costing the taxpayers more money um if we were to go with the with the current procurement policy as as defined. I would agree that Billy has remarkable workers such as county shop that they can work on vehicles. However, they are limited. Um right now um the uh the sheriff's office has five different brands. Um, we have Chevys, we have Fords, we have Jeeps, and we acquired a Toyota here in Hub a couple years ago. In order for Billy to do the required updates or even the di the advanced diagnostics on those vehicles u would cost him and the county tens of thousands of dollars to get the specialized equipment needed to do that. the majority interrupt you there don't misunderstand but that's up to the billy to be turning for us

I apologize I mean no disrespect okay then I apologize for that then but I would also say um that we have some very specialized equipment uh that would that require some specialized needs which I I know that the county does not have uh that we are required to use vendors outside um of either the county and the state of Wyoming for for our [clears throat] and I appreciate that is a possibility to say these are the things policy from your perspective and these are the items that we need to use outside 4579 is conversation I don't know that in general.

So I guess I I guess I guess guess my if I were to have an ask um instead of creating policy based on assumptions, I think we need to have real numbers on what's it what it's actually going to cost the taxpayers of this county before we put it into a a policy. I think that I'm only speaking as an individual and again it's not directed towards any department anyway but at the same time I mean I see [clears throat] the reports council table coming in and I perceive the agent excess suspended legislation that the tax managers are accepted they're both on not being able to be very responsible in a judiciary manner with that and engage the book at the time to save taxpayer money. That's a conversation that's been going on since last budget year budget year before that cost and if that's something that has not been fully embraced by different departments will help them go back because there are items on tables that I don't view as the individual department heads are not able to come up with a process where they go out and incompetitive on a regular basis then

they're doing a good job complete. That's just my Okay. I I guess as a as a department head and also as an elective official, I would have taken offense to that because that's exactly what I tried to do with with my fiscal budget every year for the sheriff's office. I can I mean if that is the case that you do feel that we are spending exorbitantly then I think um we need to as as the commissioners you need to get the vouchers from the county clerk go through and then we have that conversation as to why you think that that's overspending or not spending wisely for with our taxpayer money.

I just gave you the illustration of the tires and that's a basic one.

Sure. Um my rebuttal was um so now um our deputies are all over the the county. Some live in South County some live in North County. Um the time for them to take on their day off uh to bring a vehicle in uh for tires, for oil, is that going is that going to is that going to be cost effective as to what we're saving by uh buying a uh a bunch of tires? And that's where I go back to, you know, let's let's get let's get the numbers first cuz I have those and let's see what's going to be more cost prohibitive. I'd like to add a little I talked to one case this weekend and we didn't discuss tired but a simple oil change. He lives down here and drop his vehicle off service picked up when he's done goes back on duty $90 oil change under it. He figures if he has finally he'll get time and half on these days off go over there and wait for it to turn it into a $300 oil changer which is something I hadn't thought of time paying him over time to go over you know simple oil change for South County have gain money right here locally so excuse

but is he not capable or the deputy not capable of leaving the vehicle in jail or with Billy and taking another vehicle home. So with our fleet currently, we don't have vehicles that we can just provide a deputy to take home for two days, three days off. Um we have to have those vehicles for our deputies that are on the road that are working. Did I answer your question? I'm confused on that because if they're off then they take the vehicle home with them and it sits there for the few days or stay.

So that's I guess that was I guess I'm trying to clarify. So are you expecting them to drive their personal vehicle or have somebody pick them up and take them home? But back to the question that I was asking on availability of units and that's where we don't our our fleet is diminished significantly uh because of the you know no new vehicle or no new vehicles for the past fiscal year. Um, I've I've given my vehicle up. Um, our patrol lieutenant has given his vehicle up. Um, just so our deputies have a vehicle uh that is safe and reliable for them to respond the calls. We don't have we don't have a vehicle where we can just give to um a county employee to leave um their county vehicle to take home and stay there uh for their two days, three days off, then bring back um to get their other vehicle.

How many do you have to share? I don't know the exact number. Other questions, comments?

Well, I'd like to make a comment. I can't change for you if I can take this for my personal deal. I can call up and I can say, "Hey, I got to get my oil changed." generator that I use go in there like there. So would appear to be kind of average on on oil change have time after time after time or ask hey can I get my vehicle back at such and such a time yeah sure I sit down read a book they give me the call it's an hour or less and then oil change so I I'm looking at why should it be much different than for a deputy to call up and say if he's in in the county we make a scheduled stop say hey I'm going to be in town I'll be like be there at 10:00 can you get me chat I don't know I'm not talking for Billy I don't know how they are there all for my personal perspective. So my suspicion is they could set up that also is in the big deal. The old one or two is not but over time it becomes one and [clears throat] and we talk about been underneath all

it's twice as much for any of the county departments later twice and that's a significant over time. Those are the kind of things we can look at and say, "Well, that's why that's in that's why that's in policy because you guys put us in a position of do we care, do we not care? Do we listen to the community say hey how come?" We have an answer for the hey, how come? Sometimes we don't because we don't know why. Why is it okay to spend 14 $1,500 on a set of tires and you can do it for sale? How do I answer that? And an answer is truthfully those are the things over time that we're trying to slow down as far as the vehicles go. I know the specialized equipment is something that could be a little different, but I'll guarantee that if I go out there and I try to find four Ford Broncos or Ford Jeep Gladiators or whatever it might be, I can get them out fairly reasonable. You can bring them back and go get up. I guess that's a terrible I don't think I'm talking about that. What we're talking about is that the vehicle gets set permanent policy allow this case

to say okay we're going to go we get fors and we get cheap we get what you guys would like and we're going to put it together so that when it's all said and done it's a substantial savings I've grown with that I think the people of faith our salaries expected or they should and I think that's what this procurement policy is designed to try to do is to eliminate some overrun things that not necessarily understand the concerns you got understanding concerns and problem but the primary concern should be are we treating the taxpayers have been as brutally as we should be or as we can my perspective that's the ultimate goal I'm not going to put you in a pink scooter maker but I don't think you needed a Cadillac there your needs satisfy somebody from outside and says hey how come they're driving $100,000 in fact they know you drive 60 and all this stuff

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30 40,000 unfair and so those are the kind of things I think we're looking at to try to bring back if you would in perspective and the little things amount to big things just being forever so we can slow down things I think over trying to accomplish policies intended to do and for myself when we put this together. I said, you know, I know there going to have to be some give and take. We're going to have to put back there and we're going to give some some feedback from the bargain and we're going to expand it and ex say I don't know about this and that's why you're here today so we can look at some of these things figure out what's overall for the community. I don't think anybody have a vehicle to get the job done, but you're going to be responsible for putting on the extra stuff. And I know there's a lot of it. I see. So I think that for me it's it's it's prudent to try to tear down some of the expenses if we can do so without any department policy. That's [clears throat] especially the fact that if everything is appointed the way it looks like we're going to be learning the downsides so to speak that makes it some I would prefer matter of fact I will not touch the

salaries I will not touch the employment of the factor because those people need to make a living too. But I doesn't bother me at least cut out what I think might be a little bit of a fluff here, a little fluff there. And this time of year to begin to see some of that all of a sudden there's not just any one department with most department. Wow. Where'd that come from? It's a $25,000 some heard of you. see a lot of that from now to the next budget session and so that's stuff from my perspective but for those under the fluff that maybe doesn't need to be involved. That's what I'm going to look for quite honestly. You didn't explain such I'm going to look I'm going to pick my guns in some business cuz I don't think it's wise charact private business somebody I don't think it's wise to spend if you don't know what you're going to have come in doesn't make sense to me well if I take more out of my saving else than I put back in it. After a while, my savings accounts gone. That's the same thing with reserves, accounting spend over time. The amount of money we just spend a million something here today in two weeks. So over time

the earth which looks huge may not hear policy update way start maybe squeeze down understand everybody says oh I can't do without this that's okay let's try that's my take Mr. Chair, Mr. Commissioner, Chairman Vicky. Um, so to answer some of your points again, I think we're going back to presumption. Um, and I I'm someone that works in, you know, the facts. I don't want to I don't want to create a policy uh based on assumptions or presumptions. And um I heard you say that by um ordering uh a lot of tires and not having to pay the taxes, not having to pay the shipping and handling, not having to pay um you know the up the up cost in that that it's half of what we're paying right now. Um I'd like to see the real numbers on that unless you unless you have those. So, I mean, and I can also vouch I can vouch for some of our local businesses, too, that they aren't charging us any more than they charge the public on an oil change, on tire rotations, on the purchase of tires just because we're the county entity. I personally know they would they would not do that to us or or the county because they're part of this community, too. There are there is no problem was not saying we overcharge the county versus the private investment but I think that uh commissioner vry made the statement that um that the uh the cost goes up because of that that

they get charged um significant amount percentage percentage amount to the year to the year they're reporting by their deputies um get them oil changes, tire rotations while they're on duty. We can do that. But if you've received complaints, I've received the complaints. If they see our deputy on the side of the road that's stationary for more than 10 minutes, they're calling me and saying, "Hey, what why isn't he why isn't he responding to traffic? Why isn't he stopping vehicles?" Now, we're going to have deputies that are going to be sitting um in a lobby in uniform. What's the public perception going to be there? Well, if you're want to do that, I can. If I don't want to, but I'm going to pay you right now. Go around the county and ask me people, they'll say, down here side by side wondering what to do. I drive by I drive by up there, customer time after time after time. Two guys are set. They're going to face the one way the other. I come by there. They face one side, one the other. 65 miles an hour. Guy asking me in a hurry to get in mile and a half. I know he's going 80. Why don't we make any difference? I'm not the one that's going to do it. I'm going to say again in this but it happens I I see by the fish turn after time I travel time after time after time and I know they're doing their job

their lives But I need to come back to the point in order.

Mr. chairman. Um I'll I'll be I'll be brief and I'll end um but uh again I appreciate the opportunity to at least talk about it discuss I think I think there's a lot of ed education that can be done u on both sides and I may be happy to sit down and listen to that as well um because I'm not a not an accountant and uh but I do you know personally um I take it upon myself to responsibly budget every year. I can tell you for the past decade um the word has been to maintain or cut our budgets and I've done that every year. My budget that I had in two 2016 when I started is probably more or equal to the budget I have now. So it's government obviously we're going to do less and we cut all the time. Um and we have cut we cut physicians uh within the department through attrition instead of having to let people go. Um I dismissed my under sheriff uh just so we wouldn't have to cut employees um no longer have that you know that position uh to help out with all of our departments. So I I understand working in government. I've done it long enough to know um that yeah this is what we deal with. um we're not a private entity where um you know we can just create more money or money money can come in and we have that luxury but I also want you to know that I'm not someone um that is um for fluff or I feel that we allow our depending what we need of our department to add fluff um to our to our budget every month. So with that and I appreciate that that being said, do you think that there would be the opportunity and latitude to sit down and say what

commission is proposing not ideal and what I have maybe on the opposite end of the spectrum and might have a place in that we make this that everyone's needs. Is that a possibility?

I I believe so, Mr. Chairman. Um the thing is is um we've cut all the fat that we can um with the increase in uh taxes, prices. Um inflation um it's uh it's difficult and uh I'm afraid if we are going to cut um it'll have to be personnel and I'm I'm prepared for that. So personality I I app I appreciate that sentiment and I think the ones that are on on the online appreciate that sentiment sentiment too. still and so it's not how you do that and think and I understand the procurement policy hasn't been broached before obviously and so all you can do is take the best yes approach at the onset and hope that you come up with we'll be glad we're able to give the departments of the constru other students. Yes, you're long. I know this works, but you missed this. We save money here. That's all we're trying to do. Sheriff and I and I do and I think I said that at the beginning and I appreciate just the opportunity to talk about it,

right?

I do have to Yeah. have to disagree with some things and I'm happy to sit down and discuss those. I think we actually need to put dollars to dollars u to make sure that we are saving the tax people money. I really appreciate it. We'll work together. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Anyone else? I'm just [clears throat] my issues. what I see with the with room bridge is um I'm kind of different than a lot of departments because everything I do is a lot of money you know um I order fuel every 10 days that's always over 35,000 and so the 35,000 is the the bid I bid the fuel anyway um I guess my my whole thing about the 7500 and the 35,000 is is everything I do. You know, covers, you know, when I order them, I do get I always bid every day, get prices. Um, my biggest thing is, and I, you know, I'm I'm an open book. I'll bring you guys I'll talk to you every two weeks on everything I do. Um, the $7,500 thing uh to get approval and stuff after that. If if I heard if I have a motor grater go down most time it's always over $7500 to get it fixed and that's the stuff I just scares me a little bit. I'm afraid um it's going to hinder. I mean, we're 7 days a week, you know, 24 hours 77 if we

have to. And I So, I I jump on getting stuff fixed and and and everything. And then like fueling and the sealed bin thing, I I kind of don't know how that's going to work. The time frames what scares me on stuff. Um cutting edges, you know, I I you guys see the invoices. I spend $200,000 a year on that because it's um a set of blades that I go through probably three sets a year on my order, you know, maybe 2,000 a set. Um but a lot of it's availability, you know. Um, I I watch on when I'm buying these parts a lot of times, you know, where I get my cutting edges and stuff. They're, you know, they're 60 days out, you know, 90 days out. So, if they're in stock, I'll buy an extra set because I know I'm going to use them. That's the stuff that kind of scares me just, you know, moneywise. Um, so you know, um, if I had a way to come to a meeting to say, "Hey, I need to, you know, I'm like I just it it's just I'm afraid it's going to slow process down a little bit for me." Um, that like like the fuel like, you know, every 10 days, like I said, it just depends on fuel prices. You know, fuel prices were lower. So I've been about 38,000 every 10 days, but now you know I'll be up to because the prices I'll be more 40 50,000. Um so I guess with me the number wise kind of affects my operation. Um and and like I said, I'm an open book. Um I've been doing the road bridge budgeting since 2007. Um I think I'm kind of like Casey. If

you look at some of my budgets, I'm way lower than I ever have been um on stuff. Um I mean, and I know this year's bad. I'm not going to ask for any equipment, any anything under the point of bare bones, too. I mean, the only thing I can cut more is is personnel. Um the thing that scares me is like our equipment and stuff is getting, you know, it's all pretty much off warranty. I mean, you guys know, we talked last year about budgeting my motivators. You know, I tried to get rid of them around 8,000 hours. You know, more than half of them have right they're right there. Um, my 12 trucks, I mean, I know everyone says, "Oh, bridge got new trucks." Almost every one of them trucks are 25 years old, you know, and so this winter I was lucky. We didn't have a winner, so I didn't I didn't have to push him. But the things that things get I mean it's fine. I keep on going but it costs more money to fix and the stuff that's breaking is more expensive. So that's what scares me about this 35,000 stuff now that you know I don't know how you want me to do the parts and stuff like that because you you see I mean I had that dozer go down and you know that that was just for one one little you know motor hydro hydrostatic motor on it and you know it was 46,000 um so that's my you know I mean my problems with it is just the dollar amount for my operation, you know. Um, I do bid everything out. I mean, I bid out all the propane for all the buildings every year. I estimate how much we're going to use. Like I I So I I mean, I try to save the county as much money as I can. Um, on the tire, I I submit them forms every

year so we get the government discounts, so we get them for half price. Um, so I I do not try to just um blow my budget. I really don't. Um, but on some things like a seal bid over 35,000 is kind of, you know, that's going to take a lot a lot of effort to put in there, you know, to make sure and we don't get ourselves in trouble. And and I guess I don't know how how particular you want to be on them bids and stuff like that if we you know um and a lot of it's just time and availability with my with my department um of getting stuff. So that's that's all. So when you accumulate things and then submit for government pricing.

Yeah. When you purchase a tire at one of the outside vendors, are they also subject to government pricing? No. You you got to no local person can get government pricing. You got to be a government agency and you got to fill out forms and everything and we got to put, you know, all all our information and stuff down. And then I have to sign when when we get every every time I every year I have to sign saying that them tires will only be used on government vehicles. So with that said because I don't know we presume that you could pick up for the sheriff's department also for his vehicle.

Correct. And we have so many times Case Casey and Casey Casey could buy off of this too. Right. Only through only through river bridge. Yeah. Okay. So if you happen to go XYZ out here commissioner victory. Yeah. You there's only you gota like every year you get this you fill out the thing you know like right now it's good year stone is the government. You got to use them brands. They're they're the ones that got the government discount that that to do that. And so you have to buy those brands and you have to go through this, you know, through like a, you know, you got to be used for government vehicles and um then you can you can get that that price and like right now the only you know the you got to you got to deal with dealers all dealers. It's all the same price. dealer can change prices, you know, because you got the list from the the federal government send you the list of what they got to charge you for tires. So like right now the only the two suppliers that I that only selling brands is tired and and commercial tires. So that's why I get my tires at 50%. Is that correct?

Yeah. Yeah. And there's they're not, you know, a lot of guys I've heard, you know, they're going for seconds. They're not. It's just they're, you know, they they're it's just these these tire companies been on this government discount, you know, they just they're working in volume. One of the statements made early in earlier um outside of today's meeting was that by doing some of this they understood. What's your what's your feeling there?

No, I'm not I mean right now I mean I got plenty plenty of mechanics. We can get them in whenever. Um, you know, right now normally, you know, they they like Casey said, his guys will drop the vehicle off and on their days off and we, you know, we we do all the oil change and we rotate the tires and then and everything and we just, you know, then they pick it up on their days off. Um like the like Casey is right like we have we have your basic which we have the same is most everybody in Pine Pine del M you know computer wise to plug in and they'll tell you kind of what's going on with them. Um if it's something major normally I just throw them on the transport and I run you know the toy dealer and get whatever needs done done. That's what I do with my trucks and other trucks. But that it isn't feasible to try to keep up with all the because they just the monthly fees on the computer systems and that are just unreal. You know, we did a little bit. We we when when Casey had a bunch of dodges, we did and I had a bunch of dodges. We bought the dodge and I think we paid back then like 12,000 a year. And then every time you it looks like every other month you had to upgrade it. Upgrade it was 25 here, 2500 here, 25. So it's just it's more feasible to just if you can look and see what the problem is and if if it most everything's electronics now and stuff. So it's just easier just to haul it down there and get it fixed and bring it back.

Thank you. Um, are you comfortable comfortable going through this and identifying different areas of work and seeing mechanical?

Oh, yeah. I I just wanted to kind of let you know where I'm at, you know. I mean, and I'm like I said, I'm different in a lot of departments and everything and I seem to deal with this big numbers, you know. Um, you know, but I do try to I get pricing on everything. The thing I do, I get pricing. Um, when I buy pickups or semiis or whatever or graders, I have my spec and I send them out, you know, to John Deere. I sent them out to everything and and, you know, a lot of them don't meet my spec. We have certain, you know, like on some of the snow, you know, I want I want my motor graders to be versatile and some of them you can't you can't run wings on and stuff like that. So, that's how I eliminate a lot. But I do I do I do try saving the county money and I try to do every opportunity I can get to bid and do these government um programs and that I do I do try doing them all but I was just kind of worried about the still did 7 to wait I mean if I can you know I'm I'm I'll work however you guys want me to do just if I can contact somebody and you know with you guys or something over $7,500 so I don't have to wait for get stuff ordered or stuff like that you know I'm I'm open for your individual proposals on a different I can do that because I certainly don't know what you know Billy I can't presume to put myself in the position so your guidance okay thank you Anyone else please?

I'm sorry.

Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, thank you for letting speak on behalf of Chief Cooper today. He sent you an email. Um, I'm here to answer any questions you might have on this email, but I do encourage you to speak with Chief Cooper, Sheriff Leer, Bill, um, people that operate specialized equipment that, um, we can all get together and have a working solution to a positive procurement policy. Um, I know for my years working with Sully, um, I [clears throat] can honestly say I have watched every penny that has been spent through the sheriff's office when I work there through fire. I know that when Chief Cooper is working on a new fire truck, it takes him weeks, weeks to put together a spec sheet. um precise. He's very thorough. Um it doesn't come lightly to him. He watches every penny as well. Unfortunately, fire equipment is very expensive such as road and bridge equipment is very expensive. Um if you have any questions, I'll take them now. If not, I encourage you rather than voting on this today to table it and work with Sheriff Leer, Chief Cooper, and Billy and come up with a working solution that works for every department in Serge has been sent to if we were a different mindset, we would have stayed clear,

but rather your first step and asking for assistance to establish a body believe that I'm not going to correct me wrong. We think we can do better and every dollar we save is not my dollar. It's not your dollar. It's the taxpayers's money.

Exactly. And our responsibility as elected officials is to try to save as much as possible and it's not attacking department heads or different individuals elected officials. This is the nature of what we're doing. That that's all it is. So this please work with us and come up with something that's workable for everyone. And if you want to create an adversarial occupation with us to go that's all we're asking please. Okay. Did you have any questions on this email? I'll chat with Chad here in the next week or so.

Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else please? Hopefully all my questions get answered. Right. Yeah.

Mr. Chairman, um just what I want to touch base on is uh [clears throat] definition of emergency kind of just because like Blake and uh and with maintenance, we're kind of the same, but we got really expensive buildings. Anything can happen at any time. And I just don't want to be scared to pull the trigger on some if we're out to do for example um three weeks ago we had fire alarm system dump fill system full of water and that system um actually goes outside on the north side of my building and being 9° and 2:30 in the morning. I have to call fire engineering at 2:30 in the morning and get vehicles rolling so we can get water out those lines before they freeze and break. Um, and that's usually over $7,500 when we have to do that. Um, fire engineering is our company um, countywide that takes care of all of our systems. So, I guess I don't know what that would look like if that fell outside of your definition of emergency. we going to start bidding some of those services out to do price comparison on that or if or if we're needing to call for approval because I don't think you guys want to hear from me at 2:30 on Sunday morning for water and fire system. Um so I just I just want to make sure that the definition of emergency for those kind of things we're all on the same page. Um, and then the same thing like if one of my wells go down or something like that when I have people on the fairgrounds. We only have a couple different well drillers in the county. Um, we have one that takes care of this right now. So, I just want to make sure that I just don't want

to make a decision on Saturday and be fired on Monday kind of deal. Yes. every day. [laughter]

Right. Right. Um I've been here since 2011, made a lot of decisions um since then to um help with some of this and I just yeah just want to make sure that like some of our definitions and I know they they got some of the same concerns probably uh just because some of the equipment in our buildings are so much more than that 7500 um so as always just moving up to you is we can that that maybe worked out between the two of us.

Sure. And it's pretty much like explain to Billy P and sheriff. Let's find something to kind of come agree on and come and start moving forward. That's all. Thank you. Well, Blake, he answered all your question. We don't need to hear from you.

Okay. [laughter] Do you have something like commissioners? Uh I think they addressed most of them. I mean I think mining and Andre's biggest question was you know going into budget like are we expecting to have all of these things done? But it sounds like we're going to move the ball down the road. Um, which our budget's a little bit different than the way Billy is cuz, you know, he plans for his projects and the engineers help him decide what the cost estimate should be and then later on when they actually do the project, you bid it out where all of the things that are usually in our budget other than emergencies or that are things that we want to replace that are broke or that we know has to be replaced like the air conditioners, things of that sort. We all that's bid out and we find the price and that's how it gets put in the budget to start with and so that's somewhat confusing in that of about invoices of if it's already in the budget because pretty much everything it's a major component in budget you have x number of dollars you know that we have money set aside why would you not call two or three other vendors regarding what they're pricing yet we've already turned inventory, but maybe you can save,000, $10,000 by quicker shopping at that point. That makes sense.

Um, it does, but most of those projects we already got a bid from everyone and the number that we put in the budget was the lowest person and then a lot of those things are six months later.

True. But a lot of those things are equipment where when the budget is first passed, those people get their checks and they order equipment and then it gets installed later. So, you know, like the air conditioner project at the courthouse, perfect example, you know, July 17th, the budget got passed, will orders those. They don't even show up on site until the end of December. And then hopefully Steve gets some power this week and we actually commission next week. I mean it is there it is a year-long pro I mean the whole entire budget cycle just to get that one project done. Um and then my other big concern is it has taken and Jay can attest to this. It has taken 15 years since I took over fire suppression responsibilities which still not exactly sure how I got that job but I got [laughter] and I've done really good tried really hard to save a lot of money. So in 2011 when I took over it was every department did their own inspections. It was it was a mess. It was a it took like two months 70,000 bucks between everyone. everyone spent the $70,000 just to get in inspection stuff. Nothing to do with actually fixing deficiencies and keeping your stuff running. And uh when Andy bestowed that project upon me, you know, we bid everything and it kind of came down and came down and then I mean literally we do time and materials now and last year I mean with time and materials I got it done for $31,000 like there's vast amounts of times when time and materials is drastically cheaper than the bid process. us because when you're having people bid stuff,

they plan for every horrible disaster in the world where which I wish there were some oil field people here, but where even the oil field most bad construction and stuff now they do time and material cuz they don't want all those people putting a new motor grader tire on there for the price of 12 grand when the motor never broke down the whole time they did the job where and maybe that's one of those things that you were talking about where there's certain things that time and material is super super cheaper than a big process and then I get the pricing services but the people at fire engineering know not only did they build almost all of our fire suppression in our buildings up until independent living um we have a great business relationship with those people I can call one of those people at 4:00 in the when there is a disaster and they will sometimes it takes a second phone call but they will get up and answer the phone and help me talk through our problem so that our property is not being more destroyed and get it to a point where we don't have to do an emergency service call at 2:30 in the morning cuz that starts at about 5,000 bucks to have them roll the truck in the middle of the night. um where when if we go to the thing where every other every year it's changing to someone different, those are all those relationships are thrown out the window. And uh the other good example is was that two years ago when you were out in the high school final rodeo, two [clears throat] days before the rodeo, Jay won and Jay's pipes break, which pretty much have to shut the whole fire system down. So nobody can be technically in the a center. Kay calls me. I get on the phone with fire engineering and they're like, "Oh, it'd be like Monday before we can build a pipe before we can get the pipe built

and get back up there because the shop's really busy." And uh so I told the salesman, I was like, "Well, I'll call James and I'll see how busy the shop really is. I have great rapport with the people in the shop." I call the shop, tell James where we're at and I really need this piece of pipe made. James goes, "I'll get it done. call the office back, tell them schedule the people for tomorrow. James stays late, builds a pipe, next day they're up, put it in, and the high school rodeo goes off without a hitch. Where if we get rid of those relationships, those kind of things will not happen. And th those people, we aren't paying extra. It just they know that we are always doing you know it's just give and take where they know they are going to help us where most fire companies only do one thing like they do inspections but they don't do service work and then it is a mess because it'll be like 2011 where you have the fire marshal standing there telling you well I'm going to kick everyone out of the courthouse because you have deficiencies that aren't being addressed and until you get them addressed, nobody's going to be in the building. And it really hard to get to the point we're at where I just don't want to go backwards because I've done it as cheap as humanly possible. And I really to all the department heads here, I think we can all attest that they've done a better job than anyone else. Like they know how our stuff works. That's about it.

Thank you. Thank you for the first step in the process. Received your concerns and are willing to discuss and come to um different working options if available and hopefully work together on this. But the bottom line again is to address the expenditure of the taxpayer dollar and is not directed towards any individual or any specific department of the head or elected official. It's hard to do anything up next. So just Mr. funding this certain modification in need. Do you want to make any changes to the recover policy at this point or is that something you guys are going to think about another day?

Well, I thought perhaps I wasn't clear, but I requested the different department heads to sit down and take a look at what's printed here and see if there's some viable options that they're capable of working with. and that we can sit down again and address them and commissioners can use that as a working model to see what we can adopt and move forward. Okay. So that'll be a different discussion than today. Correct. Okay. Just thank you for that clarification. Okay. Welcome. Thank you. And is that something that the department has comfortable with two weeks or do you need a month?

Two weeks for two weeks. And we're now shar two weeks, four weeks, two weeks. Thank you. Again, next meeting. Thank you. Yes. Um up next is Malinkovich for county commissioners bylaw resolution. I just have the resolution here to sign. Anything else in addition to that?

That's all I got. Yeah, I have an executive session requested. 165.

So, are you guys going to sign that resolution before you executive session or you do that after this? To approve the bylaws. Now you just get a vote to approve the resolution and then sign the resolution and that resolution gets recorded uh in the it gets recorded as part of the county record as a resolution. Is there a resolution number or is that

Yes, it's in the top. Motion to approve resolution 25-1000519B adoption of board of county commissioner meeting votes. Second special action of county commission meeting. Is there any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? I [clears throat] in favor one opposed. Four in favor, one oppos.

Your new rules say you do.

I think that's what I'm saying. It hasn't passed yet. So, I'm not saying it has passed. I tell you what, trouble's coming. made a motion to go into executive session 26 45 second or nine. Did you say Roman at three or did you say Robin at nine?

Three. You should say nine. Okay, correction

otherwise conf

Okay. Less less than 10 minutes. Okay. Probably less than five. Okay. A few minutes, please. up next. Uh please

Oh, yeah. to the chair if he called me. So, we just stepped outside. Do you want me to go get them? Is that who you're speaking about? I think Amaya or they question. Well, you've also got public health. So, if you wanted to because I think Jan I think Jan is trying to get back to the clinic. She should. [laughter] Sorry. from the gallery visiting the rules. I apologize there following the agenda. [laughter] Thank you.

I thank you for letting us come. I have a few updates that I wanted to go through with you. I wanted to um let some of my staff do the bulk of it. So, you want to start? Sure. Okay. We'll start with gambling. Yeah. I'm Becky Crow. I work in suicide and substance abuse prevention. I also work where we get uh gambling funds. Um the county does and that's what we're bringing to you today that hopefully you'll approve to receive these funds into the county. Um, and thankfully that's mostly when you see me it's about approving funds that are convenient. And so thank you for support of prevention with this problem gambling. I did want to give you a little information about problem gambling in Wyoming and it's increasing as the gaming industry expands more and more into Wyoming. And of course, they have to pay funds to each county to try to offset the consequences of problem handling. So, here's a little information on that. Um, our youth are at higher risk and I guess that's hopefully a live and learn moments for our youth, but also it can turn into long-term problems. But it's about almost to it's 29% for young men and 26 per percent for young women 18 to 29 have reported in Wyoming reported two or more gambling related problems. Um problem gamblers do think have a higher risk of suicidality and individuals with a gambling disorder face 15 times higher suicide mortality than the general population. Um, but problem gambling is preventable and treatable and that's what we use these funds for. In the past, I've used them

to uh create our prevention website, but also to add um gambl problem gambling information on there, resources available to folks. Also, I put out uh weekly almost social media information, not always about problem gambling, but all things prevention that goes out into the community. The funds have been used to train people um in trauma-informed coaching that includes financial responsibility and uh so that's an impact. Hopefully, the coaching impacts uh problem gambling as well. And then just a few weeks ago, we trained all middle school students a big penny and financial mismanagement. That includes uh problem gambling and we tied it into suicide prevention as well. But that's where these funds have been spent. So um just encourage you to continue to let us uh procure these funds and use them in the calendar. So when you say we talk, are you talking about yourself or?

Yes. And I also for the middle school students, I brought in someone from the uh Prosper team we've been working with for the past two years. We have them for another year. They're through the governor's initiative. Uh this [clears throat] team is one of like a hundred in the whole world that study suicide and we've been fortunate to have them in Sublet County for the past two years. have been able to offer a lot of trainings. This is one that we work together on to tailor to our middle school students because um we think it is in our young people. That's where we're hoping to see some changes um in in a lot of things problem areas we have in the county. But that's uh um yes, it was a part of that along with praying and the prosper.

Thank you.

You're welcome. You're welcome. And that training was well received. Those kids when these kids have been through a lot and they like to have the opportunity to share their experiences, but sixth, seventh, and eighth grade and every hand is raised that they've lost somebody to suicide in big piny schools and that's that just makes that's just shocking to me that that our what our young people are going through and we hope to bring more things into the county as we can because I can find more grant funs to bring in the health votes as well. Um, one other thing I'll mention briefly is there was a survey I think sent to you from the um the director of the Wyoming County Commissioners Association. A survey went out from Wyoming Department of Health about as long as some reporting on prevention in general at a state level. Um, I do have have it in print, but you should have gotten an email And I'd love for you to look at those reports. I do get you a county report on a yearly basis on what the work we've been doing on prevention. But if this also has a survey that you can complete to see what you would like to if you would take the time to that would help us and how to at the state level it would help them to create those uh reports you would like to see. Thank you.

Thank you.

So, I have a letter of support. If you're willing to sign that, we would receive an additional $5,79520 next year under the gambling fund. And I move to approve [clears throat] the extra money. Second motion and second release 5,000 $795.20 from the gambling fund. Motion second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any oppose? I have a question.

Commissioner open it up for discussion. Question now that we've approved it.

It's okay. Go ahead. [laughter] No, it shows my my inability I guess to pronounce a word and so what is that word just I look at it and say suicidality or something like that what does that actually mean higher risk of by suicide why is it just suicide okay That's all if you got the other thing I don't have one

commenting the legislature which eliminates for gambling the legislature I think all of that

well I know I bit of it like like most of the bars and [clears throat] I'm speaking of suffix county have a what they call queen of hearts I think what it is or susp whatever and so you buy a chance and they got all the cards up on most folks are committing it seems you got all the cards on the floor he's not familiar with [laughter]

so the deal is you play. So the deal is they've got this deck of cards and you buy a chance to pull one and if it's a queen of hearts and a whatever that is, turn that card over and if you happen to want it the right one, you win whatever. But some of these stations go on and go on and go on and they determine that the gaming commission doesn't seem to be getting anything out of it because the bars are keeping the profits that are derived from it. So therefore, let's just eliminate it. And so that's what they found. And I don't part that reach. I'm sure there's other things out there. No, I think the sports betting and all the online stuff is probably exploding right now as far as

Yeah, I'll just speak to that a minute. I'm not sure how they can enforce that change, but it is um it it is an online gambling is expand it is rapidly uh becoming addictive to many of our seniors. You know, you can do it on your phone and you see ads all the time. if you're short on money, just download this app and and you'll win all this money, which we all know it's not how it works. But it it's highly trying to they really do a lot of marketing to try to draw people in at that level. But where we've seen problems in life is people like losing their life savings. Like they just keep betting and betting and betting till everything's gone. And then that's where it becomes a community problem because you have people who who are without resources. That's that. And then as Jan mentioned, the the sports gambling that happens real time during games and things that um people can bet on and it's easy to get caught up in spend more than you had to lose. Thank you. Okay. Then I want to introduce our new public health response coordinator, Nadia Gen. Started with us full time at the end of last month and she's going to give you a little update on our AED project.

Hello, it's nice to meet you guys. I'm Nadia Gibin. um used to work patrol for the sheriff's office. So I understand the oil change issue. Um Janet had done this great started this great project with a first aid kits that I try to help uh take over as well. um thank you for the support from the county commissioners to supply the AEDs and first aid kits and we were able to put them in 12 different county uh buildings. And then um we also partnered with emergency medical director DJ Mary um and he provided a training for 30 employees on first state and life saving basics and they're the employees that are going to be uh point of contact or in their and locally located in these different buildings as well. so they'll understand how to use the equipment. And then um since they are accessible to the public, I also wrote an form of informative article for the Pineell Roundup which will be posted in there um their next article for their next edition and I also sent it to the Western Region Healthcare Coalition which encompasses Sweetwater Sublet and Teton County and just let them know the project that we have been doing here in our county. Um, and so in the informative article I wrote for the Pine Doll Roundup, I just addressed some concerns that people um may have when it comes to AEDs. Um, so BJ Mary brought up a great point like one of the biggest things is people are concerned if they use an AED it may harm somebody. So they don't even want to use it um themselves. And I wrote in the article, ADS, they are regulated by the FDA. um those few minutes before emergency help arrives, an AD can save a life during those few minutes. Um when you turn on an A, it'll clear clearly tell you what to do once it turns on. And then dispatch, they're also trained to help cover um over the phone how to do CPR, guiding the use of an AE,

administering NR can for opioid use or other life- saving measures. And I did double check with dispatch too that they aren't able to do all of that over the phone as well. And then um another concern people have is if they interfere that mean there's any a potential chance for a lawsuit. So I also wrote in there that Wyoming has a good Samaritan law. I also had sent this and just made sure to clarify with Clayton as well that um the article was okay and I just quoted the um statute book directly what the goods maritime law states which is persons rendering emergency assistance exempt from civil liability any person licensed as a physician and surgeon under law with the state of Wyoming or any other person who in good faith renders emergency care or assistance without compensation at the place of an emergency or accident is not liable. for any civil damages for acts or emissions in good faith. So hopefully that will address any fears people have with potentially using the AED or equipment as well. And then um the public health department we're also maintaining the equipment by replacing expired VAS um pads and batteries. And then um there's a point of contact for each um AED and first aid cabinet. And they're supposed to do monthly checks on the AEDs as well. And then we check back to make sure that those are getting done. And then in November, a technician will come out to test the AEDs to make sure that they are working properly as well. Um, and then what is inside the AEDs and first aid kits is um Jenna was smart. She um decided to use the same AEDs as what our emergency services use. So hopefully when they come, they won't switch them out. They can still use the exact same machine. BJ let us know that they probably will just out of uh habit. They'll probably place their own ones on, but that's okay, too. Um, and then the first aid cabinets, they contain uh first aid kits, a stop with lead kit,

which has like a tourniquet, wound compression, gauze, etc. a lifeback kit, which is good for um like suctioning. Like say for example, you can't do CPR because it's a very large person, you can't get your arms around them, you could use something like a life back kit to try and dislodge whatever is um obstructing their throat. Um and then also Narcan for any um opioid overdoses as well. And then I also in the news article for the roundup, I listed the next upcoming CPR trainings and the next one that's coming up is occurring at the pack. And then the locations that they are in are um circuit court, county courthouse, road bridge, fairgrounds, golf course, ice ring, both libraries, both public health offices, Ronda View Point Senior Center and the Southwest Sublet Pioneer Senior Center in Marbleton. And thanks again for um supporting the project. I think it'll be really beneficial for the county in case anybody has an emergency and it's accessible for the public to use as well. So, thank you. Do you have any questions from

Thank you.

So, I think we're that project's pretty well out the door and we had really good turnout. So, thanks for your support on that one. Okay, other updates I wanted to let you know about. Um, the nurse I had hired full-time resigned at the beginning of this month. So, I um need to request that we can fill that full-time position. It is I'll remind you it's a full-time state nurse position. So, 65% of that position is paid for by the state and 35% from the county. So, no change really, but um but we would be opening up that job again. Um, the other thing I wanted to update you on is we have I have talked several years about trying to get a women's health project up and running. I found a nurse practitioner, Stephanie Claudio, that is um, willing to work one day a week. She's Bob Claudianos from the fire department, his wife, and she's done women's health in the past. She works in Jackson also, but we would be looking to try to start that planning one day a month doing women's health exams, apps, tests, um just wellness ex wellness exams mostly for people that are uninsured and underinsured. So, um I you guys had allowed a $12,000 line that I haven't spent any money out of this year, but I just wanted to make sure that we were good to go moving forward as I work with Clayton and to try to to get a nurse practitioner under contract that we can start working through all the pieces to try to get that clinic up and running one day and Monday. and

I'll bring more of that to you at at um budget time. But yeah, I really haven't been able we haven't been able to build and really prove that program yet and I appreciate your support when we're here to let us help it transit off the ground. Um our last item is back to building discussion for public in regards to building public health. Um what's your search going? You want to give me the authority? I'll do it. [laughter]

Tell me how much money we got. look at several different options. Of course, the different payments that are available coming up uh too small, etc. Um we're not under contract with anyone at this point in time. There are a couple of abilities that have come available in the recent past couple weeks. I think And if we continue to look at the different options and when we got up last week that I think we're going a certain direction and then you throw a curve at us so we have to stop and get um I believe that you brought up half or half of the town hall. So, first I wondered if we got any resolution on proactive building that

I'm just looking at.

No, I know I I know we never explored. I know the hospital district threw that out there that that the town might be willing to lease half the building, but obviously if they could have a permanent location that's counting on that be preference, but that's why I threw it out there. It's just like nothing we really explored. We we have an offer on the table with you know that we'll address in the next couple of weeks to inter what is with that re Pinedale talk about longevity or tenure having the clinic there and you take a look at prices today versus these We could probably come up with something longterm lease that's put which is there 10 20 years a large cash all the way at the beginning.

Okay. So, are you asking like myself or me and Janess to go start conversations um or ask them to come to the table? Take a look at if it um gives you the space and features that you need and the price of it. if that's something that is an option that we get involved with other properties and it may not but we don't know but I think they have that one ring over there when they had one tenant that

I know [laughter] that except We're not sure what direction we're going with existing proposal at this point. I think we're getting close to kind of the resolution that makes sense and we want to make sure that we're not keeping ourselves saying this also next meeting in Absolutely.

Yes. Proactive emails this morning. Okay. There is correspondence in that regard for proactive this morning. Not a position to discuss it today because we haven't been through identify the different uh pros and cons of that comes with some advice. Keep that set aside.

Okay. through right now. That's the question. Okay. Thank you. And anything else for you?

Um, okay. Scan the Cambridge powers. We have Christie first as well.

Yep. Christy, I am the nut membership coordinator for South County Chamber of Commerce. Thank you guys for giving us this time. A little taller than [clears throat] um so we're here today to talk about a problem that we're seeing in our community and how we are hoping to address it. how we're hoping to get your support. Um, so keeping Wyoming talent in Wyoming, it's a strategic overload of workforce retention and economic development and what the chamber is doing about it. So the problem that we are seeing is that we are losing a lot of our own people. Wyoming has a talent retention crisis. We raise and educate our young people and watch them leave in their place. We import workers from out ofstate and fill the jobs our own residents could hold. The cycle drains local wealth, weakens community ties, and makes long-term economic growth harder to sustain. Um, and then I have some pretty like large statistics. And then your last page is where those statistics are from just because they are large. So, I just wanted to make sure you can go look for yourself if you have any questions about them. So 60% of Wyoming born residents leave before their 30s. That's the highest rate in the nation. Um two times the national average how migrate rate which is young adults leave Wyoming at twice the rate as other states and 66% of UW graduates re relocate after earning their degrees. More than twothirds of the University of Wyoming students surveyed said for their future in Wyoming was a maybe or a no. For every one new Wyoming resident gained, five people were needed to compensate for those leaving. And the majority leaving are between 25 and 34, which is,

you know, your main workforce. Um, Sublet County median age is 43.5. Uh that is the highest in Wyoming and above the median average of 38.9 um in the nation. The county's population has declined 13% since 2010 and now sits at approximately 8,900 people. And I mean I'm sure some of that is just movement with, you know, oil companies or whatever, but that is a large statistic of people who have moved out since 2010. The 25 to 34 age group, the very workers businesses need most, represent one of the smallest population segments in our county. Without intervention, this trend accelerates as older residents retire and fewer young people remain to replace them. The cycle we're stuck in. Young people living leaving, jobs go unfilled, out of state workers arrive, local economy stagnates, and it repeats. Um, and I've talked to a lot of people. I There's a thought process here of that everyone wants their kids to go. I have kids. My oldest is 19 and then I have a 17-year-old and I don't want them to go. I want them to stay. I think it's important to see what's outside of where you're from, but I think a lot of times the grass is, you know, looks a lot greener. Um, and there's a lot of opportunities right here in Wyoming. And I think that we are underelling ourselves. Wyoming is built for it's it's like it's on a growth trend. Wyoming is not a hard cell. The conditions for a strong locally rooted econ economy already exist. What's missing is the connection between our young people and the opportunities that are right here. Um in Wyoming is the number one entrepreneur state in the

United States. 98.9% of Wyoming businesses are small businesses. There's 3,400ish jobs that will be opening that opened up in 20 2023 and 2024. Um, state income tax and corporate tax are zero. Wyoming is open for business. Highest entrepreneurship entrepreneurship rate in the nation. No personal or corporate income tax. 120% increase in business applications in 2019 to 2022 and 65% of Wyoming workers are employed by small businesses. More than two job openings for every unemployed person in Wyoming. But survival without support is hard. 20% of small businesses fall in the first year and 50% of small businesses close by 5 years. The lack of business knowledge is a leading cause for this failure. Rural communities face added challenges. Fewer mentors and less access to capital. Without a local workforce pipeline, growth starts to stall. The chamber's role in breaking the cycle. Sublet County Chamber of Commerce is taking direct action on both ends of this challenge. By connecting high school students to local careers before they leave and equipping adults with the skills to build and sustain local businesses, we are investing in Wyoming's growing economy. One that creates real reasons for our people to stay, build careers, and raise their families here. We have a jumpart program um and that is actually starting tomorrow. Uh it's for adult entrepreneurship program. It's a free 8-week course held at Subletis covering the essentials of starting and running a small business. It's designed for adults at any stage, whether they have a new idea or an existing business that they want to strengthen. It's a six-part class series covering key small business

topics. Um, graduates compete for seed funding. So, if you attend all of the classes, uh, there is a competition at the end. you get to present your idea and your business um plan and the winner receives $5,000 and second place is 2500 and there's several businesses around town that have competed in this program in the past and are still here um Cathy on board um Faser and who's the other one that me oh um local books she does our shows does our books but um and then we have a quote here from Aaron and he completed the jump start class. The jump start class was the best thing my partner and I did when starting our company. It helped us build our business plan, get organized, secure funding, and establish our LLC. I would recommend it to anyone thinking of starting a business and I would love to see it continue so others are afforded the same opportunity. Um, and the other program we're running is called Pathways. It's a youth workforce and career exploration program and it's for high school students in Sublet County. Students complete a work preparedness class at Sublet Boseis. Um and this just teach them how to write a resume, how to answer a phone, like etiquette, um business etiquette, how to dress professionally. Um and then they are paired with a paid summer internship in a field they are most interested in. The goal is to show Sublet County students that there are careers they want that exist right here at home. Internship opportunities across local trades and industries, healthc care, energy, welding, mechanics, and more. Um, we have two that we've worked with the hospital. So there will be one internship in radiology and one in nursing, which I mean that's great opportunities for kids that are going to

stay, but possibly just to have that opportunity to see if that's really something they want to invest in before they start college. Um the blue spruce dry pine helium plant, we're we are in the process of talking to them, seeing if we can get some kids out there. Uh the chamber covers 40% of the internship wages so that businesses of any size can participate. Employers provide a job description and set a clear expectation for students. And it's a 60-hour paid summer internship. Um and so it's $600 and we pay 40 of that. An invitation to invest in something bigger. The Subwlet County Chamber of Commerce is not just running programs. We are building a vision. a a subwo county where our young people see a future here. Where locals start businesses, fill jobs, and raise their families in a community they grew up in. Where economic growth is driven by the people who belong here, not by an endless cycle of importing talent from somewhere else. This vision is being driven by a volunteer board that gives thousands of hours, not because they have to, but because they believe in Sublet County. We are asking the board of county commissioners to share in that belief and become a partner in building it. We currently offer all chamber programs free so they are accessible to everyone in our community and that means these programs depend entirely on sponsorships to exist. Without continued support, we will not be able to keep them free forever. County investment directly funds this work on behalf of our constituents and helps us keep this promise. So to run pathways um would be for 20 internships that would be $5,000 and that would be us paying the 40% of the 600. And um and none of the money that we get

for these sponsorship goes to administration. Um I mean I'm the only employee but it my wages are paid through membership. So this all just stays within the program. it's not being, you know, partially branched out to pay administration's fee. And then we actually do have um funding for Jumpstart this year through BOSEIS. Um but we still need $2,000 for that program. And that is to cover because next year we've applied for the grant again through Boseies and we had to drop it by 20%. That was just the ask of going back into that grant. So we will be losing money next year for that program. Um the chamber does one thing exceptionally well and that's promotion. So if you decide to be a part of this program, we will make sure and let everyone know in every forum that we have whether it's a flyer social media post um having you I am on one of the midday shows on the radio station having you guys on the midday show to talk about your contribution. um we would make sure that everyone knew that the commissioners supported and funded this program because it's not really a it's not really a donation. It's a demonstration of leadership. So the public county chamber of commerce believes the strongest Wyoming economy is one built by Wyoming people. Jumpstart and pathways are our commitment to this vision, creating the conditions for our residents to build careers, open businesses, and invest their future right here at home. Do you have any questions?

I'd like I'd like to make comment. Okay.

So, we're here survival without supporting about 20% fail in first year, 50%. So, I've been around here quite a while. Sometimes I take too long, but I've watched a lot of small businesses start up. And usually the ones that make it are the ones who know they have to do the work, not hire somebody to go do it for them. And and I think that's true in any small business because if you're the only one that's invested in them, you're going to work harder to cut costs wherever you can. The skills perform so to speak. And so I I think that needs to be where you're putting on these classes. That needs in my mind that's number one problem because if you're out there and you say, "Well, we're gonna we're gonna start up this business, but we got to have two or three people to help us." That's the first big drag on what you're trying to do. In my opinion, I agree with you.

I've watched it happen in some of the counties on both ends of the county, time after time. Mom and pop will get together say, "Yeah, we've been doing this and all of a sudden, well, we got to have the kids. We got out of this and that." very soon the two men or two person operation is five or six and it just can't sustain it. So it takes a while to generate what you've got to do to make it viable. But that to me that's very important to be able to start and go and today it's just worse than it would have been. I had said that [laughter] but but in reality that's the thing I've seen.

I agree with you and I think no one's ever going to care about your business the way that you do. So, you know, if you're not going to invest in it, nobody else is going to either.

Fantastic. You were you and me or me?

Absolutely. Especially drafted by you. Yeah. So, you know, I don't the end of the day for them, but I tell you what to come in. They're not suspect. my way. I appreciate that. Thank you. Anyone else? Questions, comments?

Well, I really appreciate you giving us this time and you know, I hope that you decide to invest in us because we are definitely here to invest in our community. Thank you. Is that page?

I forgot in case public showed up and needed handouts as well from the ones that are attached. Um, good afternoon, Chairman Bernard and commissioners. Thank you for the time and opportunity to speak. I'm Sage Price. I um I serve as the Salt Lake County Chamber of Commerce President. Um I thank you for putting us on the agenda today. Um I just wanted to as the petition for the um proposed 1% um tax sales tax increase. Um I wanted to give the public the opportunity to speak with the officials. We've had town council meetings both in Pinedell and over here in um in Marvelton. And so I just wanted to give if any of the public wanted to speak or anyone had concerns um that they would be able to bring them to those who are going to be making the decisions and spending the money if um if it comes gets onto the petition or onto the ballot and then voted in. So, um I've attached some handouts that just kind of overview of it. Again, a sales um tax chart that shows what other counties in the state are paying. Um so, I don't know if we want to kind of do a quick overview or if we just want to jump into questions if there are any. ask questions or are we asking

both if you if you have questions again a lot of it um but the attachments one attachment was the um handout that you all provided at the meeting um when it was sent to a petition and then um an overview just kind of that has been put together of what the fifth penny is and then the sales tax chart for the state as well as um the town of Pindel provided kind of where the spending power is where from 2016 until 2026 and showing that the the town of Pineell's spending power has decreased. So

Commissioner Brad question for you please fishing that was going around were you guys the sponsor of that or what's the story about fishing? I haven't seen or heard anything on a thing.

So, we we do because the chamber is a 501c6, we have instead of a lot of um nonprofits or 501c3s and because of our 501c6 business designation, we have a representing interest of the local businesses and community that affect the broader economic um impact. So the chamber is one of the only organizations that can um put out the petition and um hold meetings about it. So So to begin with, I saw around a few places.

Yep. It's still it's still in the same Yep. It's they're still in the same places. So there's one at um Kindle Town Hall. I personally have one on me at all times. There's one over at the rec center in um over here in Big Piney. There's one at Big [clears throat] Penny Town Hall as well. We're over we're over half. It has to be done by the end of April to get onto the ballot for August 19th. And so just and we have not set up like a Ridleys or anything like that. We've kind of tried to not be super invasive with it, but we do have over half the signatures.

What's the feedback that you're typically receiving in regards to

um a lot of the questions are with the industrial impact funding coming in, why the residents should bear the cost of it um with the increased funding. And so explaining that that is from Cheyenne that if we are to receive the impact funding from the Blue Spruce project that there has to be the fifth penny enacted that that's not something that the commissioners came up with. That's not something that the town councils came up with. It's not something that the public came up with. That is the the stipulation to receive the funding out of Cheyenne. And so we're just letting the public know that if we want to receive this impact funding that it has to be the fifth penny has to be enacted. Um, one of the big questions is what happens if the large project changes or does not fully materialize. And so I guess that's one question from you all is what if the impact funding if the fifth penny is passed and for some reason the blue spruce project does not go through what happens with that impact funding awarded from the state. I don't believe there's any correlation the 1% tax fighting portion and the additional pending tax independent of each other the project fails 1% continues until the next until the four years of being

so what happens if the um the impact funding is awarded over 20 payments over three years is that correct right so what happens if halfway through something happens with the project. What happens to the impact funds?

I would presume that there's a project funding money that um with what you find CL Mr. Chairman. Yes. So that is my understanding is that if the project if construction on the project were to cease then the funding would also cease in that circumstance. Correct. However, it is DQ's uh uh position or yeah position that that is a very low risk that projects of this scale generally do not stop and the addition of one%

would continue for the four years. So, um, that's another question is the or another statement that we've been hearing a lot is it starts with 5% and then pretty soon it's six or 7%. And um really the understanding that it there is a sunset clause in the initiative or with the fifth penny that it does it lasts for four years and after that it has to go back on and be voted by the citizens again. It doesn't it doesn't roll over. So

renewal had nothing to do with any additional percentage of taxes. Those would individual valid initially. And then the last one is um how do the communities so big Piny um Marvelton the county um Pinedell the town. How do you if it's passed and there's an increase of the sales tax, if it does not pass again in four years, how do you balance your budgets again once you've had the money and then it potentially goes away? How are you going to balance your budgets and when?

Just your budget cutbacks and take a look at the budget process that I will be going through in the next couple of months. that's in the money decreases you go through and make sure that expenditures don't exceed your income and if the income's greater than expenditures if that makes sense

and then also the understanding that it goes into the general fund and it cannot be earmarked or anything like that. I think that's been a big misconception. Um, and so the funds do have to go into a general fund. And from there, and again, in the commissioner's handout from the the meeting where it was sent to the petition, it outlines what the counties are looking at and what the municipalities are looking at using it for. And you're talking about sighting money or the what? The sighting money.

Sure. money was determined by individual entities within the county establishing overall attributed to the different departments and from with that they created their own budget as far as what they were that's coming. Does that answer your question?

It does. Yep. And that's and again this is for kind of the public to be able to ask questions as well and if if anyone has and just to get the answers the chamber of commerce is putting the information out there but we're not making the decisions where it's funding. So we want to make sure that we're giving those elected officials that are making the decisions regarding the funds um the chance to answer the questions and have the discussions. Are there any line online questions? I don't see any hints. Pardon me. I don't see any hands. Thank you. You're welcome. Do any of you have any questions or anything that I can answer?

Well, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to just make a little comment. So, here on the first presentation says the opportunity is built for this income tax or corporate tax. Zero. So, so that in itself brings companies into the state and we're going to bump up another py tax with our significant contributors our economy. We see it the additional 1 cent may then step back and say then maybe we need to address something different so that when so that the county passes this 20 cent rather than us having five cents in the county we may go someplace else. So that's part of the way in my opinion. The second thing is I talked around I've known a lot of people time invar you put up penny tax next thing you got to do on pennies night. They don't believe it. They involve projects that unless this extra tax is on, they don't get completed. And so you get something started, you got to complete it. Good, bad, and different. Then fear factors out there. Well, we've already

invested all this. We may as well do it again. And so instead of in my opinion in a year or two or in four years for sense here we could conceivably we look at six or maybe more has a tendency put me in a little about a little bit. It's it's what they're what they're doing here. I think what they and I'm not certain they is okay. I think I I think and and quite honestly as an individual I don't like the idea of another sick here. Just so you know that as a commissioner I can't make a statement. So what it looks to me like is we're doing the old maiden track system here. You guys go ahead and give us a scent the penny we get all this money. Well, it's not always it's a significant amount for here, here, here, and here. But unless it's been changed and here's the thing that really bothers me when we get so much money but we don't get that so much money in one pot it's over 20 months unless they change that and I don't think that's so you take an entity that says yeah we're going to get a million dollars and let's divide that by 20 how much There's no stud,000 got a project put a million dollars towards it, but now we can't because we don't have that. So what do we do? Go to the town say, "Hey guys, we know we're going to

get it. Do you mind back?" So we get a project going. Those are the kind of things that made me a little bit about something like this. I'd feel a whole lot better if all that money coming from the box and the entities could say, "Oh yeah, we've got a town. Let's use it where we want it to go." But over time, unless you put it in a specific account, let it go that it's going to be used and all of a sudden you say, "What help?" Well, we did, but you know what? we had to spend some years because that one sent and less time the information I don't think I have it that's not tied into a specific writer you can use it wherever you want and so therein lies an issue over 20 months a project that looks good today may not look that good so why don't we take that money that we've got in six months still and move it over Here's we complete a little story. We didn't war. So the caveats to me are buyer beware of that. That's that's what I think we're getting ourselves set up for. And there's a lot of ways to make it look good, but there's just as many not good. And you take folks on fixed income. That's not much. Well, if you've got a $900 a month income, that penny over time is a big decent.

It can be. Yes. And there's um there's over 50 exemptions for it. Um it doesn't it the it doesn't apply to prescriptions, groceries, fuel, and diesel or um fuel and gasoline. Um there's over 50 exemptions that it doesn't apply to for for the the taxpayers. So um and yes I I agree that the the 20 payments over the three years is it's the impact fund you you do receive it but that is a risk that is is out there

and so I think correct me if I'm wrong because I certainly could be but my understanding what the project now has not been started I don't know about I talked to him and they said it was still on plan for me.

Yeah, but there was also a company that called some quotes that said they they don't have to do anything until 27. So that said we do a year. It's one of those things that could become a show. Now you see it, now you don't. And so that's that's the scary part is if you get a community into these things and look around the state and see what they're going to tell you. Yeah, we got this. We thought it was okay. Now Park County, put it out there and then they took it back off and they'll put it back. So there's reasons for that.

So it does happen and there's only two counties in Wyoming that don't have it. County and Park County. Um I don't mind being on the table. Yeah. If that's what the voters want. Yeah.

Well, there will be those going to get all people travel through the community. All the the folks who are going to stay there overnight. They're going to spend spend spend. Well, they might for two or three months, but the other nine months been paid out the bill. We are all of us not not just us but each individual and so on I don't think personally making [snorts]

so one thing that I've learned um in doing the research and having the meetings um is that of the 4% sales tax right Now 69% of it goes back to the state and with the with the additional 1% so the fifth penny 99% of it stays within the county. So takes a long time to build up much over 20 months for me as an individual and say that's a great income. But when you're talking about municipalities in the county, you know, you say, "Okay, we're going to start this project, we know the money's coming." Then by the time you get up there, the cost of living and everything else is increased to the point where what you thought. So there we are. There's a lot of pitfalls that even we've got we've got company individuals coming into this company because we don't have that extra penny. And so in my mind we pass this many people argue. Why are we slapping those folks in the face that have supported us for years and years under for now? I know every every time you add something something has to go away. something has to decide

and and so I [clears throat] see this you know some companies going to say this is going to cost us another like 50 60,000 if it would be expanded and now we're going to offset that well we're going to take part of expression we're going to take old Sam and his crew and we're going to let them go because that's about what it's costing us letting them go so that's I didn't mean you personally I just But there's some there's also pitfalls that look good.

Well, and that's why I think these discussions are so important, being able to ask those making the decisions on how to spend the money and what what our budgets really are. having those discussions and being able to answer the questions that the voters have and have have the hard discussions about about the money.

Yeah. Well, it is, you know, governments, including this county commission. Always look at it as, well, if we get this, we should be able to spend more. I mean, that's what government does. They take in money and they spend more than what they can against people from the government. They're not designed to make a profit. They're designed to help the citizenry. Citizenry make that happen by taxation. You get too much of a tax base in the city. Say, well, wait a minute. That's all I'm seeing it happen. I'm I'm through Mr. Chairman. Thank you for patience. Good morning. Uh is there anything else that um

are there any other online any online?

No. Thank you.

Up next, we have monthly reports. Yeah, I got a motion to approve bond genie for recreation. So directly motion pass comment anyone online any comments or questions we sign or

um I'm not sure probably. Um you can go ahead and I don't know the answer to that question. I don't have another copy here. [laughter] [snorts]

I presume that these are copies because [laughter] anything from Leila online. Emily online. Haley online. Okay. Got motility to approve three alcoholic beverage sales committee. One for the Eagle bar for one for Boulder store, one for the B store for skiing. Okay, we have a motion on three. Sorry. Discussion bring up Right, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Clayton has an agreement that I printed and handed him to him this morning for the WW scholarship agreement.

You didn't. Thank you.

This is the agreement that we've been talking about since she was a child. Anyway, this is the agreement that we've been talking about for quite some time. Um, we had sent a version of this to the University of Wyoming and we never got it back signed and then they talked about some issues they had with the language that we had in it. So, we've been trying to amend this for a very long time, but essentially this is the one where we lowered the GPA to get that funding that we had already sent to the University of Wyoming to be able to be used by more students. So, Clayton has reviewed it and if you guys are willing to sign that, we will get that one under our belt. what Sam's looking at.

That's what Sam's looking qualifications.

It was to re reduce them to get that. We had sent $25,000 a number of years ago and I can't tell you now that we're this far into the game how much it's left, but they were not getting that distributed as quickly as you had hoped. And so we decided to lower that to the same agreement that we had with the other schools that you're funding on an invoicing basis. And while you guys review that, I got you your your this year's Sublet County School District number one and nine applicants for the UWS scholarship. That's the one that you can award three scholarships and across the entire county and we will have that on the agenda for the April 7th meeting. So, you've got some time to look at that. There was an additional one that came and I'll use air quotes for those who can't see came late. It was postmarked timely, but it was after I had prepared your packets. So there there was one more from SL County School District number one that we received that was added later. So be sure to include that. It was in a separate envelope. You have any questions about that, let me know.

Vaness on that. Is that three new one renewal? one renewal and I have the renewals the applications the renewal applications are due to me on March 30th. So you'll select that renewal at a later date and those students who received it last year have all been notified that they are eligible to apply again. But only one of those three that you awarded last year is eligible for gruel. And do we pick three and one alternate? You do pick three and one alternate on April 7th. And if they don't qualify or have it selected university,

you could offer it to a student and then if they don't qualify the alternate could come in. We won't notify the alternate in advance that they've been selected as an alternate. We'll only notify if they become and you could select more than one alternate. For instance, if you chose two out of three students who hadn't selected their school or hadn't um notified you in their letters at least that they had selected a Wyoming school and then they you later found out that they didn't select a Wyoming school, you could have a couple of alternates that you then fall back on.

Is this funding state? Sorry. It is it is managed by the University of Wyoming or any um community college or university. And I specifically asked cuz one of the questions that you'll see in your packet was about someone who was going for a a specific course word to one of the colleges. And I asked if that was acceptable and they said as long as they're a full-time student at at one of those colleges. So you have that listed. You have that email in your pocket that shows which schools are eligible. Motion to approve this.

I make a motion to approve the University of Wyoming Foundation scholarship agreement selection questions in this regard. Um all in favor motion pass. Thank you. Could I ask question?

Yeah. What scholarship question would have anything to do? Are we having a vote on this? Is no. Okay. Great. Thank you. Is there a reason that this commission cannot decide their own scholarship funding? Is there a law against that?

Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, the issue in the past when we did have our own design was that the board was not basing it on financial need. In the last body of the board, it was decided that you guys didn't want to be looking at financial information. Perhaps that's changed now and that could be a topic of discussion. But the only way you can award county tax dollars is for financial need. Therefore, you would need to be reviewing people's financial information. And that's the reason that the prior board of county commissioners decided we would rather the institutions themselves review that through the FAFSA FAFSA and then notify us of qualifying students. That way, you're not looking at your neighbors income information. Thanks.

Well, the reason I asked kind of question because for whatever reason for the last however many years,

it's not mandated how many you award to any school district. only mandated that you only award three inside the county boundaries. So you can and have in the past switched it to and one. Sometimes you've just wasted on the applications themselves without regard to which school district they are in. Theoretically we have three high schools. We have Skyline Find a High School and Big Piney High School. Skyline. If there are any applicants, I I can't tell you the answer to this, but if there are any applicants from Skyline, they would be in the school district number one packet that you received. But should you want to equally diversify it by high school, you could one and one.

Well, I listen to the package last night till they tell one:00.

Oh, no. Did you think it was today? I was thinking it was for today when I looked at those because I know all those kids. I know their family background. I'm thinking, you know, if there was a way the county could do it if it's on a financial need, there's probably what I read, what I know, probably half a dozen those kids. Some of them are going to have scholarships. They don't know how to spend it all and their family take care of any of it. I'd like to be able to do it based on financial need. It'd be pretty easy for me to pick two or three for their school.

Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky. Um, as long as they're going to a Wyoming college, you sort of do that. So, we have advised all of the colleges in Wyoming that, you know, in past budget years, of course, it's up for discussion each budget year, but that you have funded a line item for scholarships and that they can review their enrollment based on the student has to have graduated within the last five years from a sublet county high school. They have to maintain full-time enrollment. They have to have, I think, a 2.5 GPA. And I think that's it. And if they have students that meet those criteria and also meet the financial eligibility requirement, then they invoice us and we send a payment to that school for them. So you aren't making that decision, but it is occurring as long as you find that in your budget.

Well, it's always it's always, you know, we talk about we just heard that discussion here today about keeping the youth dear, etc., etc. And if we can't invest in the youth and we're going to spend millions and millions of dollars on stuff, okay? And we're looking at not very much compared to sold to send some of these kids out there seem like a great investment. Whereas some of the other stuff we do very

So there's two different scholarships we're talking about, right? So one commissioner that's the state requires us to do.

So in theory like what Janess said, every one of those kids that that are on that list, every one of them can still get a scholarship from us. They just have to apply through one of the Wyoming schools. we already fund that school so they can get so everybody on that list in theory can go to University of Wyoming and or any other nonprofit school within the state of Wyoming and get funding from us that we fund at every budget here. So they can also get a a a scholarship from us and we're already still um financing that line item like Janess said they'll still have that opportunity. word is not making the decision. We we made the decision that every one of them can get a scholarship. You just have to go to to one of the colleges within the state of Wyoming and you have to apply. Does that make sense?

Well, that that makes sense. But I I I'll tell you what. I'll bet you I'll bet you most of the kids that applied for this scholarship don't understand that. Mr. We tried to tried to do a lot of education with the schools and on that domestic and talk to them and make sure that we are telling these guidance counselors that this is an option. This is way we funded it. This is how we're doing it. Please apply.

Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White, that is absolutely correct. The difficulty is they're applying for scholarships right now, but you have not yet funded next year's budget. So there's this time frame in which I can't with assurityity say the commissioners have funded this budget line item tell your students to go to their financial aid department and school when they start because I don't know that you're going to fund that budget line item. And one more point of clarification, Mr. Chairman, is that this is not this does not what you'll be deciding next week or next meeting does not have any financial requirement. This is whatever you your determining factors are according to statute. You know there there are some statutory requirements.

So I think that correct me if I'm wrong. So there's going to be a budget transfer. We do it for everything else. Well, we already have a lot of money in that. I I want to say we funded that budget line item at about $45,000 for this fiscal year and we I know we've paid some to Casper Casper College because they were the ones who initially didn't do it but they have I can't tell you for sure which organizations have contacted us and said yes we have students that meet these qualifications but it has been used during this fiscal year by students. There's still quite a bit left in that budget. Why not?

If you wanted to, as we say, carry it over to the next year, but but there's been some issue with carryovers, too. So, but yes, there is you could theoretically not add any to um the required mill levy because it would still be in our cash available and we could do it at the amount that's remaining at the end of this year if you wanted to do that. And then that document that we missed on with the partnership is we we said, "Hey, University of Wyoming, you're not we we don't feel like all our kids are having access to that. We want to drop the requirements that we put on it before downloaded on GPA so more of some of our current kids can have access to that. So we just signed another document encouraging more kids to be eligible for that reason that makes no sense but like say those things I think there was three or four or five kids in Pineville and for sure two or three down here in my mind some of the backgrounds and knowing the kids, they're going to go to work if they have that extra little bit of opportunity. At least that's my take on it. No, I agree with you. I think it it sucks that we have to make that decision and we're statutoily required only for three kids. I think what we did in the background with our system and our program is way more beneficial to a lot more students but statutoily require only three kids but get the commissioner scholarship is what they call it.

Yeah. No, I I can agree with that. I I can't imagine them not understanding how they could apply. Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, if they do have a financial aid, it's almost certain that they're going to their financial aid office and the financial aid department should be notifying them of this option.

And Mr. Chairman, Mr. Rickley, if I may, the practice of the organization when they are trying to do this is they are filling their back filling in so they know which students apply. They know which students are from Sel County. Great. Next item. Okay.

Um, next to the podium, Mr. Chairman, is a box of dates of the county. You're welcome to take some out of that box. I have boxes for each of you if you want to get them distributed. You had mentioned distribution has been a problem in the past and that you wanted access to them so you can distribute them how you see fit. They are in the suburban and I believe the invoice was in your AP today and I think the Tony Del Ronda and you and other department have contributed did a tremendous job on it. Looks great.

It was mostly done but thank you for doing it. Um, I wanted to let you know that we did receive confirmation of the close out of the state and local fiscal recovery funds. That was basically COVID money as most people say. Um, that close out is complete. Obviously, if they want to come back and with their books, they can, but that is all available. I notified our auditor and Jessica Rice and Emily Harcini that that close out is complete. And I have those filed in my office should anybody want to look at those. and the auditor basically has all of it as well. It's it's all sent to him every year. Um on the after AP is done today, they will close the month or the last quarter. They'll close the last quarter essentially by closing the month. So we are back to the time of on the next meeting we can do those um budget analysis things again that we said we were going to skip a quarter on. So if that is still the will of the board we'll make that happen um probably in the same order unless somebody wants to change something. So on April 21st it would be ice and public health. Everybody okay with that or does anybody want to change? and skip it. We get through this procurement policy see enough through that. I think again the [clears throat] end of the year I mean we're keeping track of the big spenders pretty pretty tight. It's a a big benefit that they come in and explain that yeah we spent 60% of our budget and we're 60% of the year. So think we're going to have a lot more harder conversations when it comes to

process. All agree with that discussion.

So what was the outcome? I'm sorry. Are we doing it or are we not doing it? Okay. All right. Um, I just gave you a little rundown on the website committee and what's happening there. If anybody has any questions, you contact someone on the website committee or ask me. I may or may not know. Other than that, there was a question pertaining um I saw from someone here to the employee portal maybe.

Okay. So, we would need to talk about what needs to be included in the employee portal. Um, I the understanding I had was that that was to stop emails from being sent out. So, I would suggest let's pull the employees and see if they will regularly go on there and be looking at it or if it will mean we'll miss getting information to employees because they're having to go look for the information. We sent an email claim saying that all information is available on the employee portal uh notification will no longer be emailed other than a update notification network update notification. I'm sorry I was I missed that part of the discussion. The employee portal is changing what?

Okay. So on an employee portal versus having email sent out from HR, if we put all the information into the employee online portal and then update the new update that would be sufficient. What information are we talking about? chain creates an employee portals where they can go in and review their status where they're at for hours. Updates to HR policy are changes in the Fed law.

Mr. Chairman Clayton, um it came up when something was sent that was required, I believe, by the federal government for a change to employment law or something. I don't know. Andrea sent something out recently and she was required to notify every employee. I think if we're as long as we're meeting that off the top of my head, then I would have to follow up with with Andrew. But as if it's requiring notification and we're providing notification, even if it directs to the portal or if it has the information contained in the notification, I would anticipate that we're good, but I would won't look into that.

And perhaps because of our community, they're not mandated to that. A couple of things in that regard. I'll make a note to follow with Andrea to talk to her about it. Thank you.

Um, we had the forest the fourth and final well not final but fourth of four forest collaborative meetings and got through the voting process. I had contacted Matt because he went to the third meeting and kind of had the had the rundown of what we were going to be voting on. So I asked him in his opinion. We got through that process. So they are preparing a finalized document for that. They are also planning to have at least two meetings each year so that everything is kept um up to date. The hope is that some of the things will help move projects forward and move funding forward for certain.

Was there anything they voted on? Wasn't it there? Everything that you had seen was voted on. There was one that had a a person who voted five. In other words, they could not live with that. So, that one will have an explan a written explanation as to why they couldn't live with whatever the topic was. And that will inform future meetings, future meetings that result in hopefully action on the ground. So where did this collaborative get started? Is this something Yoshi started or that?

No, it it started in 2017. The first collaborative was in 2017 and then again in 2021. And that is what has sort of shaped in larger measure the forest services 10-year vegetation plan. and the Forest Service was is in the collaborative. So they are they too are voting many times they voted a two which essentially meant that they could live with it but they couldn't wholeheartedly support it because and their reasoning was that they um don't envision having the resources to do it.

Oh yeah. But the hope is that by making it a priority and in a collaborative, it'll help funnel funds to some of these things. So, we'll see. But in your report in the red, it talks about how LA the 10-year veg plan has been implemented last year, this year, and moving forward. So, just as food for thought, that veg plan meeting is tomorrow. We're meeting in the conservation district. It the meeting is actually in Jackson, but we're doing it remotely from the conservation district building.

Okay. tomorrow. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, you had asked about the gambling legislation. I don't know for sure if it's going to hit the priorities, but tomorrow at 4:00 is your WCCA legislative recap. It's a virtual meeting where Jeremiah will go through all the legislation that passed and how it may or may not impact counties. So, you that would be a good one to attend. Um, and then finally, we received information about the funding summit that the state of Wyoming puts on a few years ago. It was the federal funding summit. They brought in federal agencies and local agencies and taught grant writing the first two days and then talked specifically on the next two days about what federal grants were available. They've kind of pivoted off that. It's not. It's just now the annual Wyoming funding summit and they are doing a 4-day panel 4-day session again with interactive panels on days threes and three and four, not just federal agencies. Last year when I got notified of this, I asked you if you wanted me to notify if it was okay if I notified um those departments that are applying for grants and you authorized it last year. I don't know that anybody went but this is a free event other than the room report. So would you like me to distribute this information to for instance fire who does their own applications public health um urban bridge does some of their own grant applications public health must be pretty good at it be changing now we won't have anybody there that's

and Josie is applying for grants now and right actually in the process of renewing that Colorado River sustainability campaign extending and renewing that hopefully. So, but

yeah, it's beneficial for us. Um, the smarter our um employees are and more information that they know that there's possible grants out there and the better. So I think any training available this is a good one should be all [snorts] are there any other departments Mr. Chairman that you want me to send it to besides maybe those three

just send it out. Okay. All right Mr. Chairman that's all I have questions. Okay. So I got one more thing. So the street talk and you know how that can be the street talk is like a word on the street. [laughter] The street talk happened that the fourth service was going to start reconstructing the road. Anybody else heard anything about that? They thought about it for 10 years. They're going up over Union Pass. This is this is B. They're gonna go. Last I heard they only had no funding,000.

I think they got more fun though. They're going to be part of Union Pass and they're going to go from the bridge 13 miles to the green. I'll be shocked. Oh, but I I think it's definitely going to happen. Yeah, we shall do people up there. Have you heard of it's going to be schedule A or they going to involve us or they involve some fetal federal route and two two outlets in Jackson most of the works.

Mr. Chairman, I believe did Kate talk to you about some kind of a schedule A project? He said that there was a possibility that they had some schedule a project for um by is it Temple Temple Creek.

Yeah. Some some stuff by family and adviser to have an engineer would like to have in the past and see they can put that project together for us or not. which I remember schedule. We're just not tying the federal restrictions on those.

Mr. Chairman, would the procurement policy affect that? Would we be we should keep that in mind? I think we'd be trying our own hands on something like that to get some of that work done.

Understand the question. I'm sorry. Mr. Chairman, I was just asking if the potential adoption if we were to adopt the procurement plan or pro policy that was presented today, part of the advantage for the Forest Service of the county engaging in these schedule A's is we don't have the same contracting requirements that they have and I I don't think we would be limiting ourselves extensively, but would we be limiting our ability to engage in those with our own procurement policy was the question. I don't see any of selecting a contractor to do the policy.

Do we se do we select contractors for that fam or do we do we do the work? I don't know the answer. I guess yeah like Skyline we did select contractors for it lower engineer came back the 1000 million 9 million changes That that's it for me.

Any questions for Janess online? Questions? No hands.

I have an update from Katie Rulan who will be doing a presentation on the 23rd of this month at the UK's boardroom I think is where it's at. uh pertaining to the uh economic and future planning of the envelope migration route along with um town sweet water helicopter or not you cancelled the one that went to his desk earlier and then he created a new commission to uh create a new one. We created a task force of the task force that's on it. I understand that they asking for the counties to do a presentation on what the potential um changes with the analog corridor and migration corridor would impact our current land use policy. Right. Am I right? But they agreed to the last one is only public not supposed to be private.

So that's be changed.

Correct. No, but the discussion does have to in encompass private land. Um it's saying when it comes to the development of that how do you feed the developer and what are the what's the impact on that but it deals mostly because voluntary it can't be mandated to do anything other than say this is what we're looking at kind of what we'd like to have in effect and then it goes to public federal land and that's where they'll have the basic rules and then they bottlenecks where it comes to the crossing the roads and I my thoughts I don't like the word volunteer put in there Right. So then you you take the mu deer um migration um executive order and I think it was bullet point 4 says nothing in this order shall pertain to private plan. As soon as you start adding that word voluntary, you're going to have some of our constituents that are going to read that and publicly shame people and come before us on what decision that we're going [clears throat] to be making and say, "Well, they should volunteer for it because so and so down here volunteer for it." And if they don't, that should be a reason for you guys to deny this rather than art or um policy and or black and white rules that say, "Hey, this pertains here anytime. I don't like

that in voluntary." That's my thoughts. Excellent point. Then of course they have the uh fin coming up the next meeting that will get to the rest of the conversation. I know the first go round before the governor said, "Look, I'm gonna form this committee and put it out to this committee to advise me on where we're going to go with this." Said that nothing in that would pertain to existing development that's already happened. It would only pertain to new development outside of whatever fold or sideboards that they put into that development. For example, I think game and fish um several times had said um the upper boat dock or the lower boat dock at Fremont Lake is a is a very big tension point. That executive order would say that there could never be any kind of development there. But there could be development within the boundaries of the Pine Deline. As soon as you step outside of the Pine Deline, for example, and or anything we got going through the south with blue spruce or anything else, there would have to be some discussions on what that would pertain to the animal migration. Something we definitely need to keep an eye on.

I don't think our planning is personally needs to be made to this. Well, no, they're just doing the presentation as far as how it ties to our comprehensive plan. So, our chairman volunteered himself to to be leading this, but he's he's going to do the presentation. It's being led by uh Commissioner Robert. Yeah, Rob Slaughter is the chairman of the But you're you're the one representing Busby. Yeah. And our our thing. So, good luck. [laughter] Thanks,

Mr. Chairman. Does it also I'm curious on the private land on this new plan, if they had to pull a state permit for whatever reason, are they suddenly subject to regulations for

like I don't know what the answer is on this one. We're not that far. Well, that's a great question, right? Because with the sage grass, as soon as you have to any private development, soon as they have to pull a state permit, they're subject to buying credits with any disturbed uh safe grass habitat, which is a whole new ballax because the pathfinder sold out and they're the only ones within the state of Wyoming that is a registered bank for those credits. and don't know how that's going to work out with the new owners and how much land is dedicated on that pathfinder that's not already spoken for or tied up through some sort of credit process. some great questions and I've asked several king and fish people have yet to give an answer where that banking system is going to go and how it's going to work with other changes and anybody else's mandated

well then there's also the fally mandated revising does a good enough job on protecting s so there's als Start from

Hey, we're at the end of the meeting. Is there any public comment or question from online?

No hands. Oh business. We got that. Yeah. So whole business for you, please. I've got old business. [clears throat] [laughter] So I think well it is completely scrapped with the county involvement or anything at this stage of the game. My father grabbed it completely with it till they carried the existing river. He held the fence track where it was originally fine and not temporary showed up like that. I see that thing. I see that thing going to be two or three. It's going to be another who knows how much money that money that we're going to save by not doing it. Put it someplace else if we from our last meeting. He said he had to rebuild a portion of it. He could hand that his own budget,

but he doesn't have to build. We'll talk to people down there. We'll talk to the people down there back that used all the time. Once the willows were gone, right, that's that's the word I got. That took that took care of the issues.

Susie was upset about it. We went in [clears throat] her last week that wasn't going to be done, but it is not folks. Dr. I say no. I I think that you know the people that use it down there. I now tell me most of the time except in summer travel four or five cars a day maybe pick up that season but I don't know that that's my take on it. I just I just know I talked to a couple of the guys said in fact they said great job of not doing that. We don't need it there. Doesn't need it. Does anyone want to decide bring it up at the next commissioner's meeting and make determination? He may already be well that could happen that country down there snow it's prime to go get it done then we're going to be talking like building identif is working on it and bring it up to the next meeting just on the agenda. I think we'll have enough information today. I'm not part of the project. Never was I

mean been on the road a lot. It's wide open as this. I just think we've got other roads in this county.

We've heard about the county go at that point. That's all I thought. My thoughts is I'd like the bill for it. Um said the engineering was already done. We're we're already paying those employees. So I don't know like that really thought that's engineering done. We've been given a lot of I just don't think I just don't blame them doing that. This country is going to open up and you're going to see Billy have a lot of stuff.

So if you be kind enough to contact Billy do that be and then pardon I will have to be kind. I should call him out and tell him we're going to discuss it next meeting. Okay. Please get started now. This is what we're saying. Would you that next year? What other business do you have? Any other great to got anything? Thanks for coming.

So long since I saw you recognize why I'm here tonight. I haven't been a chance to come by and sit in on this and we did have about 15 people the other night in ourformational meeting about any and so I just thought I'd stop in case there was any of those people come back. some a pretty good crowd that just and really good discussion and what was their feedback on the

I think there's some of each like Sandy said the chair lady said I think there was some some good feedback from and some some worries you know about in the future and and through the information knowledge about you know the sunset laws and and where this money went and it was even on the agenda where they back in front of the conversation. It was good. One other thing. So, and I think it's great that the red kids here,

but I'm wondering I think probably the Finale High School basketball boys were involved in a I'm guessing it's never happened before overtime win for the consolation championship. I'm wondering if it would be appropriate maybe to really thought it was. If I may interject on that. Yes. Um spoken with couple of people in gymnastics specifically. Once we get outside of these state titles, we open up. That is a state club. Pardon? It is a state. Yeah, but it's not number one. I couldn't hear you.

But it's not number one.

Right. They've been placed first and that's that's what they remind is fourth. It's not first and second and second because if you started giving them let me tell you about first second third of who you are how important it is just place first is not always don't always pass excited about just getting some placeic local% And you're on friendly ears because I we've had this conversation suggested the recognition for two skiers who placed number one at the state meet but were not number one to all the points.

So what's happening with the with the two seers? You said no state champions because they were points winners. They were only they only won first at the state meet. Okay, that was crazy. Then we had the uh [snorts] women's hockey state

Okay. So So [clears throat] what about So here we go. So we got kids on the wrestling team. They didn't win the state as a group, but they had but the individuals did. And we recognized those last year.

Yeah. Well, we still got some coming up this weekend last week. Last weekend, two or three out of the play saying, "Hey, you guys are good. The last time you second, third, and fourth." Well, they place he's eventually a state title which is different than any team title they wrestle with. That's why I always thought it was pretty unique to go down there. I'm guessing there's no team ever with play for this case. I'll tell you what, when you watch those kids, your [clears throat] excitement was clear through the roof. You can't tell anyone ever said anything that it wasn't. [laughter] All in favor? So, we'll get to How are you? I'm ready. Perfect.