Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

call tonight's meeting to order. If you would please join me in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. May you roll call, please. Mayor Pime here. Alderwoman D here. Alderman Fee here. Alderman Donovan here. Alderman Huey here. Alderman Heidman here. Alderman Prince here. Alderman Ross here. Alderman Stiger here. Mayor, we have a quorum. Thank you very much. At this time, we will look for approval of tonight's agenda. Motion to approve.

Second. Okay, I've got a motion and a second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? All right. Thank you much. Uh at this time we have a personal appearance tonight. Uh we have Commissioner Marberry with us. Uh Mark Marberry with the county commission. Uh they would like to uh he's going to discuss with us some uh Viking tours. Right. Sort of. Got it. That's what I got here. So,

right. Well, I want to thank everyone for uh allowing me to show up and give me a hearing on this. Um our esteemed members of the press have been spilling the beans about what I've been trying to do. I thought, well, maybe I need to go and report to the city that would be the most affected by this. Give you kind of a a comprehensive discussion or report of of what I'm trying to do and how I'm trying to do it. U this is going to be a long drawn out affair at best. Um, several things have to go into place for us to get. What I'm trying to do is to have river boats, cruise ships, whatever you want to call them, basically dock at the port just south the new Bourbon port just south of the city and have tourists come in as part of their tours. maybe spend a day, two days, whatever. You know, that just depends on how it works out and spend a whole lot of tourism dollars in this town. Uh I think it would be a great asset and a help to the city. I mean, Bob was talking a while ago about, you know, you've got these going up and down the river and there's St. Jimmy is not even mentioned and a lot of it is history. Well, where's there any more history than here? of course with the the way the tourism's set up. So, as I'm kind of wandering through this maze of trying to get this going, u I'm finding out a lot of things. I'm I'm gathering a group of people as I go along that are trying to assist me with this. Uh fortunately, uh Sandra Kitt and others with the Department of Economic Development, they're very thoroughly interested obviously in helping with this and they're kind of doing things as we go along on this and and I certainly appreciate that.

The first thing we're doing right now is basically someone I know come to me about a grant from the US Department of Transportation. And what that grant is is going to be a $400,000 grant for feasibility study for the comprehensive feasibility study for the port itself. Um we have that application in unfortunately federal government shutdown that's being delayed. So we don't know if we're going to get that grant or not. It certainly I'm sure affects the approval process on that. I hope we do get it. Even if we do get that, that's estimated to be 9 to 12 months to complete. And that is a comprehensive. That's not just for river boats. This is for all modes of transportation, whether it be barges, uh containers, uh rail access. So, this is comprehensive and it kind of covers everything. So it would it's something that the port has needed and has never had. So I I'm looking forward to getting that and maybe eventually converting that to a strategic plan that will help more than just whatever one specific thing. Uh it needs to be done because most anybody any corporates that come in they want to know where's your plan. They want to know the actual availability of these different modes of traffic. Again, 9 to 12 months. I think that's being optimistic. I think it would take longer just because of all the different factors in a comprehensive feasibility study. Anyway, my understanding when talking with people in this industry is if you have these river boats, that's one of the things they want to see. And I get it. I understand it completely.

So, at best, this is not going to happen this year. It's not going to happen next year. hopefully would happen the year after that if we get all the ducks in a row and then hope and there's the possibility of leaprogging some of this if we get that going and some of it works out. I have not contacted any of these riverboat companies yet or tour boat companies yet. That's coming soon. Um I'm finding people have contacts with these people. There's more than one company does it. Uh and Viking is listed here. I know there's American and there's a couple others. And I'm also finding out, excuse me, as I go along, other potential uses in that line of the tourism boats that I never even thought about that's popping up, which would be an added asset to the port, to the city. So, there's, you know, I'm kind of wandering through the maze. This is the first time I'm dealing with anything on this scale. Um I I am finding people that as I go along, I have had nobody have any negative reaction to this. Talk to them, they all think it's a great idea. Um talking to Sandra Kitt again, she mentioned that that used to happen sort of um years ago the boats would dock at Chester and they kind of poached some of the some of the tourists and brought them up here. I would prefer they would dock at the port. Uh the marina would be a great place, but I'm afraid that may be a bit of a lost cause for multiple reasons. But the port's sitting there. It's not even being used right now. So I'm one of the reasons I come to you is I would hope that in the near future it doesn't happen you know obviously not

this evening that maybe I could get from the city either a letter of support or a resolution supporting the idea of these different cruise boats whatever you want to call it docking there and coming into town to spend tourism money. Uh, any questions? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mark, um, how long have we had the Bourbon Port out there? How long has it been operational? I believe it was 1982 when that actually started.

Okay. And what have we done with that over the years? Since ' 82. A lot of that's before me, so I can't really give you good answers on all of it. Um, I know there obviously have been some temporary uses for it.

Mhm. Um again, and I do not know why it hasn't been utilized better, but this is one of the side effects I I I think of having if we can get this grant and do this feasibility study that can illuminate strengths and weaknesses for for throughout the transportation industry and maybe help bring more, you know, several things hopefully to the worked. As far as as far as real historical answers, I don't have those. So,

I also heard that there was the problem with the dredging. They they have to dredge it pretty often, fairly often. You're going to use it,

right? And you know, I think, you know, don't I think some of that is the fact of it's lack of use may may hurt it as much as anything. Uh but but yes, it does have to be dredged once in a while and I'm certainly not into the marine stuff to know exactly enough of why or and there may be things that can be done uh projects to help that out, maybe prevent that in the future. Unfortunately, as I said, I don't have a complete history on that as far as some of these, you know, but I I think there's I have confidence that this can work and I have and I think I have I think there I have confidence that there are ways of dealing with some of those issues. It's just we have to get one thing done. You know, this comprehensive study, I think that's going to be part of it. Well, why are these things not happening? And what can we do to fix those issues? Do you know what condition it's in now? Is it

needs to be dredged or Well, it was dredged last year. The road and and other things to get the infrastructure set up. I think there needs to be some work done to the road. Um, as far as maybe raising it up partially, crossing the tracks, the railroad tracks is a bit of an issue. And I it was dredged. I said last year either a year before last year or the year before the port was drenched. So I think we're obviously and I think some of that depends on your flood you know how high your flood gets or how low the river gets. I think does affect how often maybe it needs to be dredged.

And my last question would be uh you got like five different areas to look at. Did you look at all the areas the fairy landing? Did you look at the marina along with the bourbon port? I have not. Okay. Now, that being said, uh when we get to the point of contacting these these companies, I'm certainly willing to go over multiple locations that may work. There may be a location that works better. Okay.

I'm just working with what I know that we have and and trying to maybe maybe make it simplistic. I mean, we have a dock there already. Uh, it's too high, but there are modifications that can be done to that to make it work for those things. And in fact, I think they're thinking about that pretty soon anyway for another use, uh, which would work in both cases. The dolphins are there to tie up to there maybe have to be modifications to those for those specific. I mean, they don't get too excited about barges smacking them up against them. But I know the cruise boats won't like that, but you already have a lot of infrastructure there that could do a little modification and hopefully minimal modification and would work for this.

Thank you, H. All right, Sam. Um, at the fort is to my knowledge, we don't have a Steen or management for down here. There is one. Oh, there is. And I I I his name escapes me at the moment. But there is a ste that is this something that would have to be approved with the steel door that would limit their access and for their there has been discussions and I think they are willing to work with that situation. So there's plenty of room for both ends. What

I think there is no I get what you're saying. I mean because you're if if industry comes in obviously doing barges and things like that. I don't think that's going to be a great issue. I think they're willing to work with whatever we you know obviously within reason whatever we want to do on that. Yeah. I mean it's a good question. You know you could get a traffic problem there. I support the location. I'm just worried about conflict with the steador want to do commerce with bars. Absolutely. want to do that

and that that I think that has been addressed, you know, at least on a short basis, you know, a tentative basis that they they were willing to work with us on that, you know, move barges if they have to because usually this stuff is scheduled so they know when it's going to happen and they could kind of work around that. Very good. Thank you. M [Applause] uh Mark uh who I guess it's an engineering firm or somebody would uh conduct the the comprehensive plan if you would get the grant right

uh and it take them a year or so to conduct it. Does it go outside of New Burban Port? Does it look at uh any other place along the river? Does it just look at river traffic? Would it look at the marina? Would it look at the ferry landing? Is it just focused on the way you guys rode to Grant? Is it going to be just limited to? Because if we look at the bigger picture, what would serve the county as a whole? You know, New Burban. Okay, great. But is there other places too that we might be able to do some traffic advantage?

This is is my understanding on this feasibility study would be basically the port. Um, and and I get where you're going with this and you make good sense. I I'm not arguing with you whatsoever, but in this case, it's really the port itself. And and I started out with the intention of doing it for that, but it kind of morphed into a larger thing as far as what we can do with the port cuz, you know, let's face it, it's not doing anything right now. And so it it might shade off into some some other areas depending on how it goes. I don't know enough about how that works, you know, as far as a feasibility study. I'm sure the river traffic will be factored in there. I mean, there was even talking about um what they call staging or something where you know, the barges are parked basically. So, that might if we get into that too deep may end up covering a larger section of of the river. Is there a port there's a port authority that

Yes. And they did approve the application to apply. Is Perry County still a part of that? Yes. Okay. Mhm. I was wondering if they were and and they did you know I whenever this came up I went to the port and I said we should do this and you know after a discussion they certainly agreed to apply for this grant.

Are they the agency that applied for the grant? Yes, they're the agency of record. Let's call it that. You know, basically the Southeast Missouri Regional Planning Commission does the administration for the the port and the ferry. Um, but I guess you would call the application record was through the port authority. Mark, would you need the letter of support for the grant application or are you needing it further down the line?

Yeah, this is this is further down the line. What I would like to do is if I go to because the grant application is either going to work or not. Yeah. Um or should I approach these companies, hey, we want you to stop there. I would really like to have the city saying, hey, we want you to stop there. Uh, so I would like to to present it to them when I get to the point of of talking to these companies. So it would be basically the end user. Okay. On that. Yeah. Are you hoping to do that on your own as a county or I I know I know Aaron has been working with a little bit at least attending some of the meetings.

Yeah. And I've talked to him about it too. We've kind of discussed it. Um, I'm just kind of doing it on an ad hoc basis myself right now. And of course, the other commissioners do support me doing this. Um, and it's going to be just basically me and then of course the the port authority board. Obviously, they have to approve everything, but so far it's just been me and then these these people that's worked with me on certain aspects of it. [Music] Well, we we had the city had a contractual agreements with Viking and another tour company that even as you mentioned. Mhm.

That was when uh Toby Karen was the uh tourism director and there was an agreement that that he was I don't know how far it went or how many tours they actually had, but he would meet them and and help coordinate the tours and stuff. So, we we we have relationship. So, there's a history there. Sure. For for sure. I think those were the ones that landed up at Kimwick and whatnot. I don't think they were really Chester just like you described and they came up by a tour bus and Right. I think it's a great idea, Mark. Personally. Okay. I think it's another open up another avenue, another artery into the city. Absolutely. I like it.

Um, any other questions, thoughts? Mark, I guess just keep us posted and let us know what you need from us. I'll be glad to be glad to report to you any updates as we go along. Again, some of the things I'm doing, the federal government shutdown just stopped it, you know, so create a delay and I'm sure that's the city's got the same issue with some things. So, you know, anyway. All right, we'll get through it. Thank you, Mark. I appreciate it. M right. Uh at this time we will move along to our city administrators report.

Good evening everyone. Uh on the community development side just a few quick notes. Under heritage commission the meeting was actually moved to the 22nd at 5:30. Uh just FYI. Um, tomorrow is the deadline for the request for proposals for the mobile apping uh mobile app walking tour grant. Um, if you go down a little bit there, the comp plan committee uh met 10:26 to discuss some uh next steps. Um, good meeting. Uh, so we do have some next steps and uh hopefully uh you'll hear more about that in a coming meeting. I did want to point out and hopefully I don't steal from uh Aaron's report uh down under tourism economic development under the city county uh we had asked I don't know if you remember the legislators to draft a bill to allow the city and the county uh the county to put a bed tax on the ballot and us to be able to raise ours. Um HB19 was written uh passed signed by the governor. HB19 allows the county to place a transient gift tax up to 6% on the ballot. It does not give us the opportunity to ask for an increase in our guest tax. So I just wanted to kind of let you know that uh I don't have much else there. I guess on that discussion um we still have the opportunity u to raise our our bed tax. There's some debate whether that's feasible or if that would change, but we as a city we can still raise our our bed tax. We have that option.

Well, when I spoke with our city attorney, he said that that, you know, was written and I don't know, Mark, if you want to speak there.

Sure. I mean the um uh the statute is is one of the most uh difficult to to read because for whatever reason the legislature has provided certain cities within certain population definitions and certain classifications to be able to get this tax or at least seek approval of the voters to get this type of tax. I think there might be 14 separate types of classifications. The city of St. Genevie fit in one of those classifications when it passed its tax and it was authorized I believe up to 6%. But they only saw it I think three if I remember correctly but off the top my head two. So it didn't go for the full tax but it was approved and now the city is no longer in any of those categories. So, I I take the position that uh that the city does not have that that tax has been authorized when it was able to be authorized and so it's grandfathered in as approved by the voters. But the city is no longer able to impose that tax and I take the position the city cannot increase that tax because we're not authorized to impose the tax currently based upon our population. Uh and so that's the the legal opinion I provided happy and then I reiterated to Mr. Has that ever been challenged?

No, there's there's no there's no precedence for it to be correct. So, you'd have to have uh somebody withstanding to challenge any any taxpayer can sue and challenge it and uh yeah, it could be in the form of a class action if it's an authorized. So, the county passing one, are the city lodging establishments subject to their tax or is it only for lodging outside the city? That's an excellent question for the county's attorney.

I I I could I could probably get an answer. I don't I haven't looked into that issue. It changes who collects the tax, though, so you have to be careful with how how deep you want to go with that. I mean, are they going to come in and charge our largest establishments with their authority to do so? Good question. No answer. We can get an answer. Yeah, I I can look into I just didn't I'm not prepared to do an off the cuff answering that question tonight.

Uh on the city administrator's report, I just want to point out a few things. one uh work on the cross streets on International Subdivision is now tentatively scheduled to begin the week of October 20th. So, a week after next, I don't have the exact date. Uh but that week, uh once we have that schedule, I don't know where they're starting, which street, which direction. I will before they start, uh we'll put it out on our uh social media and website. Uh number five, just want to point out our auditors will begin their yearly review starting Monday, November 3rd, and we'll be here for the week. If you skip down to number eight, just want to congratulate Chief Stiger and his board. Thanks to our board and the citizens of St. Genevieve for approving and establishing the St. Genevie Fire District, which began service on October 1st, 2025. Also want to congratulate the uh local task force that or organized local effort to basically create the middle Mississippi River National Wildlife Refuge. Uh mayor and Alderman Huey were there uh yesterday uh for the ribbon cutting. Um that was years of work. Uh the local members of that committee are John Carroll, Sandra Kat, Bob Mueller, and Mary Elise Oakenfus. At least those were the ones that I'm aware of. If I missed one, I'm sorry. Uh but I also want to thank Vern Bowman, the joint le district with a key part of that and the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The only other thing I want to add to my report is typically we have one meeting in November in December. I just want to kind of um make sure all of you are okay with that. And we will plan for one meeting on the first Tuesday, I'm sorry, the second Thursday in uh November and the second Thursday in December unless another meeting is needed.

It's worked in the past. It has passively. Yeah, that's good. That's great. Okay. Any other questions, comments? Okay. Thank you, David. Yep. Let's move along to staff reports tonight. Uh the one and only report 2025 rising star. Yeah. Got a little Tell us about it.

Got a little friend with me. Uh this is uh my uh Missouri Division of Tourism Rising Star Award. Uh yeah, I I what I love about this is I think, you know, we've got eyes from the state on us and they like what they see. you know, they they they see the efforts that are going on and they like the infrastructure that we're putting in and it it gives us, you know, we're moving in the right direction. Um, and uh, this is this award is given to someone who is less than 5 years in the position and I I haven't even hit two years and and here we are. So, just wanted to add that little little bit in there. Uh, I just got back from the conference, the tourism conference today at uh, 4:00. Um, great conference. um got to interface with the state. Got to talk with um met with Trish Ershfeld, got uh she loves what Mark's doing uh with the uh the the Bourbon Port trying to get um uh river boats to dock here. She's very excited about that. Uh we got to talk about bus tours and, you know, how to use AI to kind of maximize having a small department. Uh how to use Placer AI effectively, what to pair that with. Um, so tons of great stuff and and like I said, I get to uh interface with all these people throughout the state and and get ideas and uh and also again interact with the the big brass there. So uh that's always fun. Um I got something on here says renovating ferry website. We're not really renovating the ferry website as kind of a misnomer. I am working with the port authority though to to talk about options of like how do how do we make that ticketing a little bit less cumbersome to people. You know it's cash only right now. I I think for a lot I'm a millennial. I I don't carry cash. Uh you know it's very rare. Uh and you know we we have very few uh ATMs in the city. So you got to you get there oh I don't have any cash. Got to go around if you're not from here

find an ATM. and it just kind of very restrictive on on how to uh get people on that ferry. But uh with with that, I want to bring them some options and uh get them to work with uh some guys that I work with so that we can integrate that on our website as well. Kind of bring the ferry under um the Saint Gen brand uh which I think would would do wonders for marketing, you know, moving forward because if it it's sitting there, it's not being marketed, it's you know, it's going to continue to have the same problems. Um, I put out an RFP for, uh, I got a lot of, um, letters on here, uh, UGC PR campaign, which basically user generated content. So, bringing influencers, uh, the the social media thing that's going on where you bring in people to kind of go through an itinerary of the city and and see some what your city has to offer and to report on that to people. And basically, you know, getting what I what I think we need the gap that I'm seeing is that we we don't get enough what's called earn media. So, people writing stories about us um and and influencers coming in and and showing that, you know, yeah, this is a cool place to go without me having to tell them, you know what I mean? Once you're doing it, as the tourism department, you know, and buying ads, that's one thing. But you want people to like really take up the mantle for you. And I've always said that since I've been in here, but you know, uh the way I have to focus in on certain things, I kind of lose the big picture sometimes. And so I think I want to take a a good chunk of uh my marketing budget and use it to actually get this stuff going and targeting St. Louis because our um what we're using the state grants for uh no longer uh target St. Louis and that that's foolish because it's it's one of our main markets. Um, on on another lighter side, the bandwagon is complete. Um, public works, um, you know, did a bangup job. They tore all of the they

pretty much took it down to the frame and rebuilt it. Uh, and it's bombproof now. And I've got, uh, uh, Kenny Rap uh, at the high school. He does he has the shop class. Uh, but they have a community engagement class. So, uh, well, I'm going to get that that CL. I think they made this, huh, that I'm standing at, which is incredible work. But they're going to make some letters that say the St. Jen bandwagon. Um, so that'll be super fun. And, uh, yeah, that's what I got. Any questions? You know, we talk about boat boat tours possibly uh, in future stopping. I hear from business people downtown about bus tours and the lack of it seems like in the old days they think there were more bus tours and the tours unloaded and spending the day getting back on the bus and going to

Yeah. wherever it uh what's your assessment of that?

Yeah. So, you know, I I when we did me and the mayor did our um our town hall, I got asked that question. It's like well I didn't really come in with any of those relationships. Uh, and nothing's really come across my desk, but I did go to the conference on tourism and kind of sused that out. And it looks like um there is a like an emerging markets committee that's headed by Trish Ersfeld out of um out of Perry County and that's what they really kind of focus on as these bus tours. And so what I basically said is it it's tough is like you know with how much work I have and how little little time I try to use it as efficiently as possible. So, um they do this thing also that the state will give you a scholarship to go to the American Bus Association tours uh or conference and you can go and you can talk to a bunch of people that uh that put on these bus tours. I think that would be a bigger bang for bang for the buck especially if uh that's mostly state dollars paying for that. That way I can get in front of a bunch of people and build build multiple relationships at a time. But now I also have this other group uh that's headed by Trish who I I talk with and and work with a lot. So u I'm going to get within that group and see I mean at first I wasn't sure if it's still viable but it sounds like it is very much a viable thing and my mind was kind of changed this week.

Okay, if I can summarize yes we have fewer bus tours than we did in the past. That I don't know. I mean I still interface with bus tours but I don't know. It's not like I I came in and they were like, "Here's your reports of how many bus tours were." So I don't even know where that information would be. Um so I I don't know how to assess that. It It's all um word of mouth at this point. There were more precoid, but then CO they stopped and they just really haven't picked up as much from what they were. Okay. And I've got some different reports on, you know, Sandra Kitt was really big about the bus tours and it sounds like Toby Carrick did his part and then I think with Jeff Wixs it kind of stopped. Um

the other bad part about that is u it takes a long time to get back into that they're you're booked two years out on a lot of those cuz we have looked into those in the past and um those bank travel planners or you know I mean they're they're booked out uh well over a year closer to two years out before they start showing up. So it's if we're going to do it, we need to, you know, start getting on their radar now.

Yeah. No, absolutely. And and we should and and yeah, unfortunate part and about my position is uh you know, I'm putting in the infrastructure that is going to pay off later. You know what I mean? A lot of this stuff is not um immediate and you know, I apologize for that, but we had some major infrastructural problems with our website, with how we were marketing and uh and that's getting fixed. So

am I going to I was hoping to make that yesterday but due to medical problems I couldn't but uh uh that property out there is I don't know if the county is aware of it. I don't know what you could do with it. uh the wildlife and fisheries. You're right.

If they do a combination of a port along with everything else they're doing for visitors, I don't know the property would even take it. But if if there's enough water, but I think Sam would know if that would be feasible. Well, the deal that I was talking about um Ted was um an area and I had a discussion with Aaron and Sandra about that and that's all changed now that that's federal because it's in the it's in the deal. They can't have motorized vehicles out there. So that at this point it is dead till and they said it's not impossible not liable to happen here in the near f near future and I was content with that answer. I understand what they're coming from. So they kind of exception uh like cruises maybe.

Well, it's not good for that right now. The port is is still the best option for that. What I mean, I didn't know there'd be deep enough water there to create something. Well, it's there, but at this point it's just a deep hole of water. There's nothing there where the port there's already the ball rolling there. That's the more logical place. This would be more for fishing boats, stuff like that was a thing that that that that survey was done for smaller craft for recreational, not for commercial turbos. Okay. Thanks. Yeah, absolutely. Anything else? All right. Thank you. Congratulations, Aaron. I appreciate it. Yeah. Right.

At this time, we will open up the floor to public comment. Any public comment out there? Yeah, I'll get to speak again. Go for it. But I was so deep in this uh court thing that I didn't think about the YMCA. Um so I could give you like a mini report on that. Good.

Uh basically they will assume management operations on November 1st. basically that's take over the employees of the county become employees of the YMCA at that point. They have hired a new executive director. Um I forget when day she starts and I think we'll be rolling out kind of a press release on that at that point. Um when we get her here, get her kind of settled in. Uh, I kind of we we met with Matt Clark, the interim director today and I said, "Well, we should when she's available, we need to do that. We need has Has has anybody come to the the city council meeting and spoke to you about any of this before?"

Okay, that's an oversight. I'll make sure we get that handled for the next meeting, David, if you want to put that in there and let me know. U, we'll get either Matt Clark or the new director here to speak to you all. Don't wait till November. Maybe we could do it however you want. We could do it sooner. Whenever your next meeting is, we could even do it. I mean, I'll we'll work on that. That's that's an oversight and I apologize for that. Should know more about what's going on. Uh so that's kind of the simplest thing. I did talk to Matt Clark about this situation about tickets. I think

and it doesn't help you on the Illinois side that they are willing to sell tickets at the community center if that should work out. Keep that in mind. You know, if it's a situation, give us a couple of months, you know, if you want to do that though. Uh let them kind of get other things sorted out. Um we are very enthusiastic about them assuming the management of and operations of the community center. They have been very professional people to work with all along. Um, we like their thought processes and what they're wanting to do, the plans that they have. They're going to upgrade some things that will probably bring people in from a long distance, which we're going to have to have. We're going to have to have people coming from from some distance. water park does a great job of that obviously in the summer but you know in other time other times of the seasons we're going to need that people coming in. So um we're things are going very well. They they are very good listeners and in fact some things that we are doing they're actually adopting because they don't do it in their other facilities and they were kind of impressed about some of the things that were being done. I said, "Well, we're going to make that a pilot program for other YMCA." So, it's it's it's so far has been working out very well. Does anybody have any questions about anything?

Mark, we uh we did not at the city council, but um uh Commissioner Ford uh brought uh some of the representatives from the uh community center, including I think the interim. Okay. So, he did bring to our tourism uh council meeting. Okay. The tourism council. Okay. So, he did. We'll be glad to do that for one of your city council meetings. You know, we can get that sorted out in the future. That should be done. Be good. Apologize for that. That's all right. Any questions? Any other comments or anything? Thank you, Mark. Um, any other public comment at this time?

If not, uh, we will move to tonight's consent agenda. Motion to approve. We got a personal appointment on there, but second. I'll second. Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. Uh that will take us to a little bit of bullet business tonight. We uh first up, we have a second reading of bill number 4689. This is an ordinance authorizing the mayor to enter into an agreement between the city of St. Genevie and the St. Genevie Community Access Television Board channel 9990-991. Motion to approve.

Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second. Mr. Pam, would you do a roll call, please? Alderman Stiger. Yes. Alderman Prince. Yes. Alderman Ross. Yes. Alderman. Yes. Alderman Huey. Yes. Alderman Donovan. Yes. Alderman Fahhey. Yes. Alderwoman Dobs. Yes. Eight. Yes. Zero nos. Bill number 4689 now becomes ordinance 4610. Thank you. Next up we'll have a second reading of bill number 4690. This is an ordinance of the city of St. Genevie, Missouri amending parking schedule 3 parking restrictions table 3-E handicap parking. Motion to approve.

Second. We have a motion and a second. Pam, would you do a roll call, please? Alderwoman Do. Yes. Alderman Fehey, yes. Alderman Donovan, yes. Alderman Huey, yes. Alderman Eidman. Alderman Ross, yes. Alderman Prince, yes. Alderman Stiger, yes. Eight, yes. Zero, nos. Bill number 4690 now becomes ordinance 4611.

Thank you very much. And then last up, uh, in old business, we have a second reading of bill number 4691. This is an ordinance providing for the issuance and collection of special tax bills and levying a special assessment against the lots, tracks, and pieces of land for sidewalk improvements. Move to approve. Second. Okay. Motion and a second. Pam, would you do a roll call, please? Alderman Huy, yes. Alderman Donovan, yes. Alderman Fehee, yes. Alderwoman Dobs, yes. Alderman Stiger, yes. Alderman Prince, yes. Alderman Ross, yes. Alderman, yes.

Eight, yes. Zero nos. Bill number 4691 now becomes ordinance 4612. Thank you very much. Take us to some new business tonight. Uh first up, we have a first reading of bill number 4692. This is an ordinance calling for the general election of officers of the city of St. Genevie, Missouri to be held April 7th, 2026 and providing notice to the general public. Motion to approve. Second. Okay, I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Any opposed?

And last up tonight, we have a first reading of bill number 4693. This is an ordinance authorizing the mayor to sign a one-year amendment to the original order form with Placer Labs, Inc. for visitor analytic data. Approve. Second. Is there discussion on that? Absolutely. So, what so what's the overall assessment and shares the data and how has it changed what we're doing? It's just a price change. Right. Something. No, it was. Yeah. Well, it doesn't So, I guess we we had a contract with them this year, this past budget year. This is just renewing that contract

at 5,000. But are you asking what what he's doing with it? I mean, it's been a highly successful, better than you thought, didn't quite meet expectations. What do we No, it's I mean, the data is the data is incredible. I mean, you know, just to be able to see to geopence an area and see, you know, even granularly who's coming to a festival at what point in time. I mean, even looking at, you know, if you wanted to report along Main Street in or Antique Mall, uh, year-over-year, I can give that to you. Um, I've done that for people. So, no, I think it's it's great data. Who gets the I mean, you get the data. Um, who has access to it? How is it? How do you operationalize it? How do I operationalize it?

Yeah. Um well target marketing I mean we're finding out where where our visitors are coming from whether it's different markets we haven't explored yet

and and it has this really incredible function where um uh through Experian Experian the um you know one of those companies out there they basically do psycho graphics like demographic sort of uh writeups and seeing who's coming and and how um you know what's the voice you need to speak to when you when you're reaching out to them. Um, so no, it's got it's got some great things like I was telling the board when we went to renew it. Am I using it to its uh furthest capability right now? No. But it's going to take me interacting with it more. So we would have just got rid of it and then you know let's get it back in 3 years and then things have changed and I don't know how to use it. Well, I think if the that is that valuable, I think it shouldn't it be accessible. So that I'd like to know where visitors are coming from and I'd like to know what their demographics are.

We only we're only paying for one user, but we can Aaron can share that. He's had that in his report. Yeah. Yeah. I do I try to do it like a quarterly or I think I've done more like a six month intervals, but I'd like to do it more in like a quarterly sort of thing. But yeah, it said it's in my reports. I think there if there's something that you were interested in though, I think he could probably get the data.

So the parameters I know where but yeah, if anybody if any business owner wanted me to do some sort of profile on their business, I mean that that's accessible information. I'd be happy to support that. But also I mean just to to speak like one of the things that I'm seeing right now which is great visitation is a visitors the physical amount of visitors is down but the visitation is up and the frequency that people are coming back from the local areas uh Farmington uh just even within St. Jen County people going coming to our downtown from these hyper localal areas has has ticked up uh so that means like you know our weekends are are getting more abundant of things to do and people are taking notice of our events and coming out for those. So,

thanks Aaron. Alderman P. Did that kind of get to your And I do believe we have a motion in the second. Yes. Any other discussion? Okay. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay.

Uh, that would conclude our schedule of business tonight. Anything else to discuss right now before the board? Okay, just a couple quick things. I'll echo David's sentiment uh about the levy dedication yesterday. That was um an excellent event. There was a lot of hard work, blood, sweat, and tears that went into that. I found out yesterday that that was formed 11 years ago. So 11 years in the making and uh we got to cut the ribbon yesterday. So that was a great event. So congratulations and thank you to all involved there. And then one quick other note, uh we just just did want to recognize uh Sweet Things uh the candy shop celebrated their 40th anniversary on October 2nd. So just wanted to pass that along. 40 businesses or 40 years in business and St. Jen. That's that's pretty darn good. That's

sweet.

Yeah. Right. I like it. So just wanted to congratulate them on their anniversary. along that lines. Mayor, uh you you had asked uh to kind of nominate uh some people and I don't have it official, but um I had somebody that's it's popped up a couple times um on my radar and I just wanted to kind of give them a shout out uh to to Jim and Tanya um Shilly. They live call Jefferson 678 Jefferson. um and just good citizens um and their their yard as simple as that. Uh it's just a really good example of what you know good people do and and if you guys ever get a chance to drive up Jefferson 670 Jefferson um they just have it so meticulous and so well um done. I don't know. So, I just want to give a shout out to them for um setting a good example and being good citizens here in St. Jenny.

Very cool. They're not in my ward. So, I just wanted to So, thank you for sharing. That's great. I love that. I had uh just another concern about have we had any more discussion about the stop sign on Maple Street coming out of the early childhood?

Yep. I uh talked to the superintendent just the other day on the stop signs that we discussed um Washington then the one on Maple. Uh he's in the same opinion with the Washington streets as I am there going to be too much congestion there. I mean there was too much traffic. Um he's not against the one on Maple. That's something we're still talking about how we're going to get it up there or whatever. I mean, people stopped. So, we're both in agreeance with it. And that's the one coming out of the early checks,

right? Yeah. And I've and had uh um interested parties uh expressing their concern of it not getting done yet and it needs to be. So, uh I think uh I appreciate the school's concerns also, but uh as I stated earlier in that project, the people were there first and I think their concerns need to be weighed. Is there logistical challenges there to get that back to get one up there or is that a Okay, there's a post there with no left turn on it. So, it just be a matter of

also not a city street. So, we want to put one up um it's it's a driveway basically to a private business. So, uh if that's the consent, you know, if that's the direction of the board, if you wanted to take a straw pole or something, we can Well, we don't have the right to put a sign up on private property. That I that would be up to them to put it up. As Chief Hock mentioned, they're open to that. How do we know that with the shopping center? There's stop signs when you come out of the shopping center. We'll have to discuss those are I don't know how they're they're responsible for them or the state is actually it's on the state right away.

What about when you come out parkwood like uh like by tractor supply? I don't know. I think there's a stop sign there. They were probably required when they put the plaza in to begin with. I mean traffic uh flow is part of that consideration. and I wasn't here back then, but well, I think sooner the better cuz we want we don't want to confuse people up there. So, yep. Anything else to discuss at this time? If not, then we will go ahead and adjurnn and move into work session. Work session to order. At this time, we are looking for approval of tonight's work session agenda. Motion to approve. Second. Have a motion and a second. All in favor?

I. Any opposed? All right. First item up tonight is uh we're revisiting Point Base and the sewer backup. Yes, sir. Uh I thought the first thing we would do is let Cory kind of explain um what we found with the crawler camera last Friday.

Good evening. And we did a car camera last week or last Friday about 1,300,300 plus feet. So, uh, going up behind the plaza, we found some joints that are separated and there are some tabs that are failing. Um, we have few spots that have active ini in them, so they will have to be addressed. I'm still going through the all the um footage. We got it on the flash drive. So, I know keeps keep saying next meeting, but by then we'll have something put together to where we can show everything visible. Uh been working all week, just haven't got it done. Um it shows the all we camera a little over 600T up behind. So we was um right near the jail and then we went down point base 7 700ish something like that 700 ft and uh there's a couple laterals that we got to do some investigating. We don't know for sure where they're going. One is that empty lot there right on the corner of Parkwood and Point Base. Um, it has flow in it, but I'm not for sure. I'm pretty sure the bank runs out 61, but um, hospital owns that empty lot. Dave Boba got permission where we can access that, see what where it's going and everything. Um, there are two other laterals. One has quite a bit of flow in it. We're not for sure where it goes because we've uh stepped off everything and everybody's accountable, but there's still two more. One has flow, the other one is dry. So, we're still dig up next week and see exactly what we got. There's some

uh let's see there. There's a inclinometer in the on the camera that we demoed. I think Bob, you seen it. The positive negative Joe. I don't know if you see or not, but um going down point base. I mean, it was the pipe is, you know, up and down like that. So, it shows it. I mean, sometimes we're underwater, sometimes we're above it. It's all on video and everything. Um, does that record that incline on the video of it? No, not on the video. That is not

No. Um and then there's the nine big areas that that feed into there, which is the jail, the sheriff's department. They got I guess their wash bay and a few others. They average between one and a half and two and a half million gallons of water a month. So I mean there's heavy flow there without, you know, having everybody accounted for. So, it's something to try to put all the numbers together to kind of cuz it's 8 in pipe that runs behind plaza all the way down. So, uh eight or 10.

It is eight. Confirm it today. Yes, we went manholding and then uh that pipe that was in there, it's that trust pipe that stuff is broke when we were down there measuring it a little bit. So, so we're still putting forward port together and give you guys something a little better to look at. So that pipe doesn't change from 10 to 8. Nope. It's all eight all the way up through there. And then back of the shopping center. Uh we seen those separations in the bike, but we still don't know if there's bands around those.

Right. I don't I mean on some on a couple of those we have act we seen active ioni coming in. So you know some of them we do see water coming in and as dry as it's been it's you know definitely raised something. Some of them we also saw rock and soil. Yeah. Yeah. One one of the first connections comes at comes in at 12:00. It's you can just see where and it's a molded it's a molded fitting. Yeah. There's some separation there. So, and Joe, there is no tank out there anywhere. And back the shopping center. Nothing. It's been a for years. Cory, did you want to mention the service lines on the west side?

Oh, yep. And then there there are what was there don't quote me four or five of them that come at at the bottom of the pipe. So when on normal flow last Friday no rain being dried some ladders are they already have water from the main sitting in their ladders. So anytime there is an increase in poses that problem. I just want to make sure every everybody pictures that right the 8 in pipe there's not a code for where your lateral would come in but it's kind of common sense that you would connect it at like 10 and two and I would say two or three of them are almost probably at 4 and 8.

Yeah, that's what we here's one showing kind of eight, you know, the 8:00 position. It was actually water running back making the turn. You could see the flow where it was actually making the turn off the main and running back into the lateral. I don't think it's getting into the house because of the slope, but it is running into the pipe, right? Yeah. So, there's several problems there. I think Cory mentioned he wants to put together like uh highlights. Yeah. I mean, show pictures and everything

that he can bring to you. Uh uh some of that can be resolved with, you know, we have CIP budgeted. So if CIP, so that's the the the blowin coating, not blowin, but lining uh in from inside the pipe that we could do from uh the rear entrance to point base back. That would cover a lot of those seal issues or those joint issues.

Jump in if you want to. Um we we have uh talked with the hospital maintenance crew about uh the service line that we have no idea where it comes from yet. There's water flowing out it. Um and they don't know either. So we're headed down that path with them though they want to know also. So they have verbally given us permission to look at that. Um the other issue with the low service line connects which is an issue. We're still talking about that because um you know we can't change those service lines. Um you know those come out of the basement and go down. Um so more to come on that unless anything to say on that.

No talk with the CIP behind the plaza. If it's just a couple joints they they do make a machine that goes in and seals them but there's multiple. But I think by time you do that, man, I think the CIP would probably be cost effective is that that's the way we'd be with the CIP would eliminate the INI that comes in behind the uh plaza. And like Cory said, there were at least two joints. We probably looked at 8 to 10. Yeah, there were at least two, remember how dry it is where there was active water coming in them. That's what's hard to believe. As dry as it is, underneath that pavement, there's still water infiltrating

ground water. dry, you know, like that's what and I mean unless there's a which there's a crack in my sewer lateral and it's clear water filtering through but yeah I mean still amazing the amount of water coming down through that 8 in line. I mean I I happened to go by there and they had a very experienced operator Yeah. with that camera. He had ran a plant what for 20 plus years and he had been doing

camera thing. Unfortunately, it's a $100,000 piece of equipment, but it was amazing what that thing couldn't pick up and stuff and see. You could turn the head of the camera all different directions. You can look up through manholes. So, I'm going to circle back to that.

Okay. But I did want to mention, you know, Cory mentioned this, the the the jail is on this line, um the ambulance district, uh the plaza, uh First Baptist Church, uh the apartments on Progress Parkway pour into there at some point. The apartments on Parkwood, uh we didn't really see capacity issues. No, but going down Point B, you could see where, you know, when we do get some eye or rain, you could see a grease mark on the line where, you know, it does help. So, but that's probably attributable to the INI. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We only see that during the, you know, during

so I don't think it's a capacity issue uh in my humble estimation. Uh, but I do think eliminating the INI, finding these service line problems are going to uh be a good step forward. But I think we're on the right track of Yeah. seeing what the problem is and stuff. So that's encouraging. Yes. Who's who's the biggest producer out there? Suicides. The jail. I think they got roughly 500 inmates now. Not the line there. No, but they're on that line, too. They are on that line. Is that on line?

Yes, sir. Yes. Micro. I wish I had that. I had Sue email me. She sent me nine of them. Microtell's one. But but over last year the jail actually one one month they used 1.5 million gallons of water themselves. That's what we average 1.5 but it was last October. They used 1.5 themselves. That was our that was our peak uh month last year was 2.51 million gallons. So Cory's going to continue to look at this video, but I I definitely like like I said, we budgeted for some CIP. I'd like to go ahead and consider doing that. Uh it starts so we can get started on helping these folks and resolving this problem. What's a CFP? Tell me what it stands for.

It's cure in place piping. So they will will block the manhole off. Um we'll clean the line and then it's like inverted socks say and they'll blow it through the line and then they put steam through there and it aderes and seals everything up. So it's a new lining on the inside of the current pipe. And then there's another machine that also go Take the camera laterals. The camera and they'll go in there and they'll cut all the laterals back in. Very, very popular. Looks like a rocket ship shooting out the other end. Yeah. Bunch of steam going and everything. Y

and y'all still ask questions if you have them. But I do want to kind of um advocate for this crawler camera was very useful um and gave us a lot of data. Corey, jump in if you want. Um the company, you know, we would go out for bibs, but the company that brought it, which was Red,

um is also interested in our Jeder trailer. So, we own a Jeder trailer that has basically been um put out of business because we now own a VAT truck. So, the VAT truck has basically taken the place of the Jeder trailer. The Jeder trailer is really a high-tech tree waterer at this point. Um that's what we've used it for. Um, so I think, you know, at some point I'd like to bring to you, you know, a request to get this camera. We're doing a sewer study right now citywide. Uh, the crawler camera, very useful. Um, you know, we don't have to have all the bells and whistles. I think the first one, back pages, that's the biggest one, manual reel, which I mean, it's a manual head and everything. That's a little easier day. That'd be that'd be perfect. Other one is um it's got a camera front and back, which would benefit if you you know getting hung up on something. While you're in the pipe, you can raise it up and down as you go. But

how far can that go? 820. 820T. And uh the uh there's a $40,000 difference between the two, but what we had the other day Dave, we would never be able to do with our camera. Just the depth of it would it's just a push camera cable. And we also have um some shorelines over on Third Street running on North Gary Creek up toward uh Pinkley Park that we uh we're getting some water in that we just can't push the once we get out there. We get 330 ft on our camera. I'm sorry, 400T. Sorry, there's very rarely we can push it that far.

So, I just wanted to put it in front of you cuz I'll probably, you know, be back at some point asking you about that. Um it's a very valuable piece of equipment. We have another piece of equipment they're interested in that we use to water trees. Yes. So, just something to think about. Swap. Swap plus money. How's that? But more to come on the others. Yeah. If anybody wants to look at that video, feel free to swing by my office and show what is the the sewer truck or the um trailer. What's the jeter worth used? probably 25 30,000

these guys 20 30,000 for a trade which you're going to probably be in that ballpark wherever you know who you go with so Dave they talked about some grants and stuff that were out there this infiltration of water thing u I mean do we have enough infiltration to maybe apply for those grants or the grants I saw that she referred to uh aren't open right now so I couldn't get the data that I needed because the federal government is shut down. Um cuz those were USDA grants. Yeah. Uh it is not open right now. So what did we spend for the day that they were there? We didn't spend anything.

It was a demo. Um but usually it's about 300 $3 a foot for Cameron plus mobilization. So $3 a foot. $3,900 plus mobilization. I don't know what a local company be at. Were they out of St. Louis or what? No, they're they're out of Independence, Missouri. One thing about this this company that was there, I was out at the operation also. I asked a quad about training and support on this this company here. They they provide all the training and support for your personnel to run it. They're not going to give it to you and say, "Here, here's a book. Go." They're going to be with you. I said pre-training forever. Yeah.

Yeah. And if you the folks the ones of you that were there, you can see, you know, it's it's basically I'm I'm simplifying it, but it's basically a joystick, you know, and a couple buttons. Uh there are other options that you can get. You can obviously raise the head of the camera and you can add wheels to it. Uh but it's it's fairly simple to operate. Yeah. And this one you you can buy the different wheels. So if we need to get taller and this one here, you can raise it too just manual. So you might sit back down there a little bit too tall, pull back up, lower a little bit and but get the other one if you you hit something you can lower down inside there. But and you can even see down those lines where the grease is built up on the side

uh you know that needs to be jetted and stuffs of the future. I mean but so I want to put that in front of you, but I want to come back to you know what we're going to do for the folks uh who are having this problem. And I think the CIP is the first step. Find out where these mystery laterals are going. And then uh maybe come back to you and I Mr. James is here tonight. Uh and Miss Etheertton, I talked to her and told her I'd give her kind of a recap uh tomorrow. Um and then come back to you with any other suggestions after we get those two things started.

My neighbor planned on being out there that that first lateral. Does does the uh shopping center have any liability in this? I think that's our line, isn't it? Yeah, that's our line. Oh, that's our line behind them. Yeah. If main runs up and catches, how about no holding tank or so the shopping people are part of the the plan. It's our sewer man that runs behind their building. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like they said, some relief for the people that have flooded. Yeah.

Mike, did you have any questions? No. I'm pretty glad you guys are working on it. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like we're getting closer to a resolution here, though. Um, that was good data. So, we may have finally an idea of what's been going on there, which that's step one, I think, is making sure it doesn't happen again. Um, we have any other So, wait. We're going to we're going to develop a plan here, I guess. Go through the I'm working on it now going footage and everything and it'll continue next week. Okay. Perfect. technically.

Oh, that's um and then I guess you'll stay in contact with Mr. James and Miss Etheton about Yep. I certainly will. Perfect. Thank you, Cory. Mr. James, thanks again for coming and we're getting we're getting close. Yeah, it's Yeah, I

All right. Uh work session agenda item number two. um is the proposed uh 2026 props repairs that you should have some updated data. Um in that agenda item, also on the screen, you're going to see an updated map. Uh this reflects what I sent you in borrow the most updated version of this document. Yeah, that was the old one. I just kept that one just for

this one. Uh that you came out with your packet. Uh so the streets that are red there are the streets that are being done or are already done here. Streets that are green are the current proposal for next year. And you'll also see some of these streets such as Lee and Oakwood. So the yellow is concrete but the blue line is a water line. Uh so the recommendation there uh I had some time to get with uh uh Cochran and go back and kind of review what we had committed to in Prop S uh what was feasible for next year. Read originally talked about 1.5 million. Uh looking at this year's uh projects, uh we made some changes throughout the asphalt project to streets that didn't need to be done or portions of streets that didn't need to be done. Uh so I would estimate that project's probably going to come in about a half million under budget. Uh but if you take the 1.5 and just take a portion of that at uh 300,000 and then you would also factor in if you remember we uh had to go at the tax rate adoption a second time to add the 27 cents that was passed that 27 cents um happy and I missed it. So it's not in the budget. So that's revenue that's not in the budget. So if you add that approximate $200,000 in

to the 300,000 that's a conservative estimate of where we'll land in this year's project the 1.5 million that's left for this year's our next year's project gives us approximately 2 million. add another point and that is in talking with Mark Bishop and Cochran uh when we do a water line in a street such as Lehei um about 40 to 50% of that is tear out and rebuild of the road that can be paid for with Prop S funds. When we put that out to the ballot, it included road reconstruction. So, if you include the road reconstruction funds in the Prop S money, that gives us more money for waterline. Um, throw into the fact also the fact that metered sales are coming in over budget or not over budget, but where they should be, but we conservatively budget that revenue, so it's coming in slightly higher. And then we put some money in the budget for water lines. So there's approximately 493,000 available for water lines if you throw in the 193 budgeted for Oakwood. 75,000 that mean sales for coming in over budget and 225 that's in the capital budget for water. you would be able to get done Lehei and Oakwood and then talking with Corey he feels within the department we can get north six done so it's a short run nothing the size of these two also straight um which would mean we could get a water line here also I forgot to put it in there but on north six so that would be

Lehei North Oakwood. This would cover all the streets that we talked about in the prop advertisement except one which does need done and that's South Gabriet. And then we would put that on the agenda for 2027. Which port of South Gabri? So actually the portion I'm talking about is the portion right here.

Okay. that runs from fourth to main which is this portion right here. Now the list you have in front of you does include include this short portion right here that was not on the original plan but it can be added. Um we added sycamore and spruce also added valley spring. Um, I think there was one more. What do you plan on doing with Alex Spring? This would just be a mill, but this is concrete, I think, from here on. Yeah, it's got that chicken seal.

Yes, it's Yep. Questions. What's the orange over here in

this? And I don't know about the blue. I apologize. It means nothing. So, kind of looking for your feedback. What I'd like to do if we can come to an agreement is go ahead and go back to Cochran who helped me develop this and, you know, at least start the process cuz we're about a month behind when we started last year of putting the plans together, water lines and streets. And then we put those out to bid January, open bids, 1st of March, and start on these streets next spring or early summer.

I think that blue line that's that was an abandoned street, wasn't it? Down. Yeah, that's what that goes to the slab. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, I think we gave that up. Same here. I don't think that's a city street. Is that going this is the street? No, the street does go all the way in front of that last house up there. Yeah, it looks like their parking lot, but it should be roadway. Talking about that

over here off Roger Edition like LCroy. That's not Helen. That That one's pretty bad. You sure? Pretty sure they So there's definitely some

like all the time pointed out even it's not too bad St. June, but there's some work. But this is this is the majority of what we discussed. It's actually 99% of what we discussed when we went out about process. Uh you know, added this I think spruce this piece right here. Um there's also a little piece of north six alleyway that would be part of this project. It's really short. back.

Can we get a copy of this? Yeah. Yeah. I was just Yeah. So, you need an okey or what do you need? If we can get an okey tonight, then I'll be in touch with Cochran in the morning. want me to tell you politic to change based how projects we're doing now coming. Uh, one question I did have that people have asked me on Scott Ottabon Larose and Austin. Are those roads going to come in as in the same width that they are now or are they going to be condensed or No, we walked them uh Tuesday.

Tuesday they're they're going to be just as wide. In fact, there'd probably be very small sections that'll be slightly wider. I think what it is, it looks like grass, but it's just silt from water sitting on them. Interesting. Yeah, there'll be where there is sidewalk, there'll be sidewalk to sidewalk. sandwich. [Music] Also, just just an FYI, um Cory and I are going to work with a few homeowners uh in this area. Uh so, right here, this is kind of the lowest point in the subdivision to see if we can dig out those ditches that carry storm water basically through the backs of the homes.

What are we doing about Roger Street? Uh what is that the 600 block erosion between quality muffler and cotton? Is that the 600 block between center and yeah 69 61 shows black. So remember I said 99% there's the road that is on the prop s that it has a it has a water line placement underneath it. That's one of the most highly traveled and one of the crappiest ones.

It's also one of the most expensive, but you know, this is why I brought it to you to look at. I'm not ready to vote on it tonight. I mean, this is still some it's looks pretty good. I mean, I'm not saying it's not bad, but that road that's got to get addressed. I mean, it's I mean, it's we wait two more years. Yeah. So I think if the list you have show it shows it as number one for 27 or number two. Number one. So this would be number one for 2027 and this would be number two I believe South Gabri.

Yes. So the the streets that are not in the cedar group that are listed here are not mapped out there. Are those getting pushed? Yeah, unfortunately you have a black and white version. The color version I have those green. Okay. Yeah. So yes, the So all those are So walnut got done this year um the year prior. Cedar has been done. Parks done. So some of these cross streets will need it in the future, but these two are definitely Yeah. Okay. But the end of the LCROY Deont Blinda, what's the those are we're just pushing those maybe into a future. Yes.

Okay. I mean, unless you all say, you know, when we did Roger when I was here before, it was a major project. I think we were pushing for a concrete, wouldn't we, Joe? Yeah. Yeah. Changed over to fault because of the cost. Uh how long has that been? 10 12 years that they put that in probably. But they did water lines at that time too. Oh, that's a major. We did we do the water line. We did the road last time. Yeah. Yeah. That's why they did it on purpose. That water is going to be released because we put in the chip and seal there.

That water line's also underneath the middle of the road, right? Talking about the section next to the curve line. Yeah, it's at the curb line. Yeah, it's right there. Okay. No, but they had a break in street last year, too. and it's right at the curb.

So, I'll send you this map. Certainly don't want to stifle discussion. If there's more, but I'll send you this map. Uh, give me a call or shoot me an email. We can bring it back to an agenda. I can get Cochran going. If we want to make a tweak somewhere, we can make a tweak. Uh, but at least we can get them going. They can get us cost estimates and if we like what we're see, we can put it out to bid this winter. So, is the roer going to be in concrete or past fall? Well, that's a another day. Rosary. Okay. Depends on the market. It's 127 new. We good with that plan? Yep.

Okay. Everybody be on the lookout for that map in your inboxes or come grab a copy. Are we I'm What's the consensus here? He's going to need it. Get co Cochran going on estimates what we have. We're going to look at them. Make final recommendations and then go out to bid right after the first year to match the map is the ID. Yes, sir.

Dave, did you say you had this color coded to match the map? Yes. I have a version like this. I'm sorry. of that oversee some but it really hasn't changed not too much say this is the same the numbers yeah the numbers more or less are the same I think the recommendations may have changed a little bit just slightly and then it shows the new one shows the 2 million at the bottom and 400,000 seen it in some of the pot water lamps yeah I'll never have a cup of water at my spot again thank you switch you have another Not officially.

I'm just This isn't a final determination. I want to make that clear. You can make changes. It's not. This isn't a final.

All right. And then you should have seen in your packet too. I think David gave uh had us an update on where all the current projects stand. Um that would include the two uh Prop S project projects and then the Ninth Street project. And I think while we're just talking about it, let's stay on this agenda item. If you had any questions regarding those couple things, I mean it's what we know. It's, you know, the deadlines are coming and or passed. So,

are we going after the contractor for uh liquidated damages for Ninth Street? Yes. Did we ever get resolution on for street on the No. Uh, we just going to keep sitting on it or can we Well, I guess the resolution at this point is they've agreed to meet with Corey in 3 to 4 weeks and that was 2 weeks ago. So in a week or two we continue to jet and

Yeah. So so this week or next week when grand supposed to set up grand joggers I call them twice the voicemail they'll return. So we also asked Cochran to reach out to them and they have also reiterated that they need to get in touch with us. But we having a walk through on my street with uh Jared Jokers beginning of the week. So overnight, I received a number of compliments on that. I asked for a rib cutting. I'm so proud of it. I mean, we can still get one. We'll have to close down traffic for a bit. Probably a week or so though, just to prep everything for the

Well, that's true. Maybe we'll think about it. At least you don't have the water with with point base um and them having 20 something days left over. Is it going to get done? They might cut. They have 56 days left. Oh, really? Yes, I see. Yes, I said international. I'm sorry. Um, he's asking it. Will they get time? It's going to be going to be real close. I don't know. Birthday's complete now. They're supposed to be porn porn based possibly tomorrow. If not Monday, I know they Yep. So, I will would be last one and a grant would be the last one they do. So

I will share with you they poured approximately,00 square yards of concrete in June and July. Some of that was a repour of the same areas. Um in September they poured 2700 square yards of concrete and in the first nine days of October they poured 2200 square yards. So they are moving. Yeah. Okay, Dave. Yes, sir. What What is the issue with the hitting the gas lines over there soft? I was going to ask. Thank you. Is the gas line not the main installed incorrectly or perhaps has been that many hits or we just getting multiple tips?

There's been four hits. One line's been hit and then nicked a second time. So I I really don't want to say too much, but I think it's a combination of multiple errors on multiple parties. Those lines and and as they are fire I think gas lines are supposed to be a certain depth. Yes. Um and they're not always I kind of graded the property after they were put in there is probably what happened. And one thing they're heading seems they're hitting service lines going across the the main iss. So have they said service lines yet? I was able to crimp one off there today just to get it stopped until I'm sorry.

And I assumed you guys want to know that you ladies and gentlemen. Uh if not I certainly won't keep sending you those texts but I please okay. I thought they were repeats. That's why I started including the day. Uh one other question. Um you had a meeting with u the sewer connection for the new subdivision. Yep. Any updates on that any headway or

not really we're going through what with the camera? Uh we had another meeting this past Monday about the same same thing. There's you know one us permission but with what we found what we filled together I think we'll be able to make a solid uh determination after we see exactly what we got going. Cool. All right. Any other questions, comments on number two? We're good to move on to number three. Yep. Okay. Agenda item number three. We got some real estate and personnel to discuss. There's an option to close this session for that item.

Move to go to close session for real estate and personnel issues. Second. We have a motion and a second to move into close session for real estate and personnel. Pay. Would you do a roll call, please? Alderwoman Dob. Yes. Alderman Fehey. Yes. Alderman Donovan. Alderman Huie. Yes. Alderman Heidman. Alderman Ross. Yes. Alderman Prince. Alderman Stiger. Yes. Motion carry. 730 serial.