Zoning Board Meetings - Regular Meeting

The meeting is being livereamed on YouTube. Also, no new testimony or applications will be heard after 9:30 p.m. and the meeting will adjourn at 10 p.m. sharp. Advocate notice of this meeting was provided in the New Jersey Herald was also posted on the Sparta Township website and its bulletin board in accordance with all provisions of the open public meetings act. It's practice of this board to salute the flag. Please rise and join us. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Marissa, please call the role. Literary, here. Richard Roarbacker here. Jennifer Paha, here. Chairman Kenneth Lowry here. Glenn Keith here. Thank you. We have minutes to be approved from the May 14th, 2025 meeting. The chair will entertain a motion. So move. A second. Please. Second. Any discussion? Marissa, please call the role. Literary. Yes. Richard Roaragger. Yes. Chairman Kenneth Larry. Yes. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Chairman, we seem to be missing someone. Michael Leandi said he was going to be here. No, no, he wasn't going to be here tonight. Uh, Richard. Okay. So, I don't think we have a quorum. Yes, we do. Quorum. Here's the deal. You're kind of half pregnant. You have a quorum. If you have seven, you need seven members of the are on the

board, right? You need four to have a quorum. If you have to vote on a variance, the applicant will need to get if it's a C variance, they'll need to get three out of the four votes. If they needed a use variance, they would not go forward because they wouldn't get five. They don't they don't there's no way to get f. Okay. All right. I'm I was only confused question. Thank you. You're allowed to be and you're allowed to ask the question because we don't want to know at 9:30 that you're still confused. Oh, absolutely. All right, Rich. See how the green lights are working though? We're telling them the truth all the time. Look at that. Well, we're talking. I know the difference. Thank you, Glenn. The items on the agenda tonight for the public hearing are the following. application 7-22 Andrew Mueller for an extension of time on his U C variance approval Nancy Hodskins 15-24 for C variance relief and the Lake Mohawk preservation application which was a D2 variance for expansion of a nonconforming use will be carried with further notice to July 9th with with further notice or without further notice with further notice right I think that's was Marissa further notice further notice yet to they're going to read notice for the application. No, without without notice, excuse me. Yes, without notice. Not all right. No further notice necessary. And after the applications are completed, I'll open it to the public for any comments or questions they may have on items not on the agenda tonight. First application 7-22. Andrew Mueller for extension time. Please come forward, Mr. Beckorf. New tables, new lights. You guys got it all going for you. Counselor, just get to the business. Yes. Uh Daniel from the law firm of Askin Hooker representing

Mr. Muller is here this evening regarding an extension of time uh for his approval. Uh this is a very unique application. Um I can go over uh the background on it if the board would like or we can address the extension. I think we can just address the extension, Glenn. We're familiar with the application. So um so uh this uh extension comes from actually a miscommunication between the architect and the applicant. Uh the applicant and AR architect uh miscommunicated regarding the uh begin date for the project. Uh the architect has provided correspondence to that effect. Um and we'll have the plans completed within 30 days. Uh and the project will start within 60 provided the permits are had. Um and again you have to remember uh this property uh is transcended by a uh boundary line between Jefferson and Sparta. Uh so the permits had in Sparta may also be need to be had in Jefferson and that was part of the reason that this extended over such a long period of time and there were tax issues along a bunch of other things that we didn't anticipate with respect to this application. Is it still live in Jefferson? It's okay in Jefferson. We're we're still working with Jefferson to see if we can somehow acquire the remainder of that lot, but as far as the taxes are concerned, they have been paid in Jefferson. So, how much time are you looking for on the Sparta approval? 12 uh year. Yeah, six months is fine. Heard you just asked for 12, I think, Mr. Chairman. Oh, didn't you hear that? Yes. Yeah, 12 months would be great. Yes. I think you ought to ask for more time, Dan, because you don't have it. We don't have it and you don't need to get dressed up that many nights. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. So, what's going to be the time then, Glenn? More than 12 months, please. 12 months. Correct. That's it. Okay. The chair will entertain a motion in regards to the Andrew Will application 7-22

for extension of all variances and approvals for 12 months from June 11, 2025. So move. Second, please. Second. Any discussion? Just make sure there's no public. Mr. Chairman Oh, now open it to the public for anyone that has any comments or questions on this application, please come forward. Seeing no one is closed, back to the hearing. Marissa, please call the role. Landon Tineri, yes. Richard Roarbacker, yes. Jennifer Panaha, yes. Chairman Kenneth Larry, yes. All right, Mr. Beckorf, it's been extended. Thank you very much. Now the next application 15-24 for Nancy Hoskins block 28802 lot 12 for C variance relief. Please come forward. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Daniel Benorf from the law firm of Vaskin and Hooker representing Miss Hodkins who is here and sitting to my right. Miss Hodkins is you if actually you stay st standing and be sworn in. Raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm? Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in the proceedings before the board tell itself you got? I do. And your name is Nancy Hodkins. You can sit down. And please speak clearly and directly into the microphone since it's a state requirement. We have recordings of the proceedings. And Mr. Beckondorf, I think you know the format. After you're completed your application, we'll open it to our board engineer, David Simmons, for his comments on the report and then to our board members who have comments and questions and I'll open it to the public after we're finished. Understood. Thank you very much. How can we help you? Um, so we're here this evening. As you may recall, this is not the first time we've been here. Uh, the last time we were here with the engineering plans and the architectural plans, but the architectural plans themselves were not complete. The board

requested uh that we uh provide architectural plans for the deck. Um so I have some testimony to take from my client regarding those architectural plans which were submitted and were reviewed by your expert u Mr. Simmons. Um if you'd like, we can start with Mr. Simmons questions or concerns regarding those plans or I can go right into them with my client. Yes, you could go right into them. Then we'll let David respond after you're completed. Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, Miss Hodgkins, um, the last time we were before the board, uh, they had some concerns regarding the architectural plans for the deck. Is that right? Yes. Okay. And, um, the architect on this project is Mr. Coulter. Yes. Okay. And he was accepted as an expert in the area of architecture the last time we were before the board, correct? Yes. Okay. And subsequent that first meeting, uh, Mr. Coulter provided revised plans. Uh, the revised date was April 17, 2025. Yes. And the plans including uh an exposed exterior deck approximately 171 square ft 16 by 10 ft. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Okay. And and the additional square footage included steps from the deck down to grade. Is that correct? Yes, it is. And there's direct access from inside the house to to the deck. Yes. And there's a wall sconce on the side of the home to light the deck at night, but nothing else. Correct. Correct. Okay. And uh the deck is constructed with constructed with pressuret treated lumber. Yes. Okay. And then there's a composite decking and railing that will um be the facade of the deck. Correct. Uh-huh. Yes. Okay. Um and uh and in addition to that, um the application is for renovations to uh the home. It's really it's really an expansion of the home by approximately 305 square ft. Is that correct? Yes, it is. And that's an office space. It's a It's a laundry room. It's And it's a bathroom. Yes. Okay. And currently to use the home, you have to exit the

house, walk around the side of the house, and go into the basement. Is that correct? To use the shower. Yes. Excuse me. To take a shower, you have to go down into the basement. Yeah. Outside, down the steps and into the basement. Okay. All right. And this is just a seasonal home. Uhhuh. Three months a year. Three months a year. Okay. And the last time we were before the board, there was also concerns of um emergency vehicles uh being able to access the home during the winter months. Correct. Yes. Okay. And even though the home is completely shut down in the winter months, that was a concern of the board. Okay. Um but you're willing to sign and execute a home harmless both for the township as well as for the board uh if this board looks kindly upon your application. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Okay. I have no further questions for the applicant. Maybe Miss Burkor, if you could explain a little bit more for the other board members and the public the actual hold harmless doctrine, so they're a little bit more familiar with it if you don't mind. Yeah. Uh so, Miss Hodgkins, you understand that if the board looks kindly upon your application this evening, uh they're doing so because they they have the knowledge that the road is not going to be plowed to your home. And despite that knowledge, they're willing to give you approval. Um, but you have to sign an agreement whereby you're holding them harmless if your house starts on fire and the fire cannot be put out. Yes, I understand. You do? Yes. Okay. And you understand their concerns? Yes, I do. Okay. And you also understand the township has concerns as well? Yes, I do. And that you're also holding the township harmless. Correct. Yes. Okay. and that your house may burn down, but despite that fact, you're not going to be looking uh to hold them accountable for that because they're pointing out the fact that there is no access in the winter months. Yes, that's correct. It could be a little bit more than that, Mr. Chairman. It could be if somebody had a heart attack and you couldn't get fire, you couldn't get emergency equipment back there. So, it's it's all of that stuff. But you understand that.

I just want to get the record. I do. I do. The fact is you only use the home from June until or June, July, August. And sometimes if April, uh, no, it's too cold. There's no HVAC, so there's no heat, nothing. April's delightful in. Thank you, Glenn. Now, Mr. Burkindorf with Mr. Garcia, I see he's in the audience tonight, too, or not. He's not. Oh, he's not. He's not here this evening. All right. You saw his report, correct? How he responded. Would you want to go over that too for the record if you're so kind? Sure. Sure. He did answer a lot of concerns. Understood. Understood. Um, Miss Hodgkins, uh, there was correspondence forwarded uh to the board uh this evening by the Hawthorne Park Club. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And in that agreement, um, I just want to make sure that it's it was it was written by the chairperson for the park club. Correct. Yes. Okay. Steve, I believe it was written by Steve Garcia. I guess Steve Garcia. Okay. And uh Steve agreed uh in that he would maintain uh the width of the roads and the height of the roads for the purpose of access by emergency vehicles. Correct. Yes. Okay. And he also explained that any homes that are occupied throughout the winter months the the road will be plowed up to and including those properties. Yes. Okay. Um and that there were also um uh there were also comments related to the size of vehicles uh that regularly accessed the properties on this road and that those were comparable to the size of the vehicles that a fire department might use. Yes. Including an 80,000 GVW triacle dump truck. Uh that likely would be similar in size in weight to a um fire truck. Is that correct? Yes, it is. Okay.

Thank you. Any other comments, Mr. Burkindor? Are you finished? No more comments, but if uh Mr. Simmons would like Yes. And now, David, if you're so kind to go over your report. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Did prepare an updated report dated June 3rd, 2025. Uh, a lot of these comments I believe we went over at the last hearing, but I'll just highlight them quickly if that's all right, just to request the board members. Uh, as Mr. Benadorf described the project in Hawthorne Lake and they're accessed by a gravel driveway. It's in the RR rural residential zone. It's kind of unique from the standpoint that on the houser engineering plans they did provide a zoning chart and basically all the dwellings are located on basically one lot. It's about a 449.587 acre track of land. No one on this application is close to any property lines. So there's not any kind of front side or rear yard variances involved as far as that goes. Uh the big thing was as Mr. Benadorf and the applicant explained, uh it's basically accessed over a private mostly onelane gravel driveway and if you come in off of Edison Road, it's about a mile and a half uh to get to the subject premises. U there's several existing dwellings on the road. They all basically share the same block and lot. With regards to uh variances, the existing lot on the lakeside of the property is very steep. And although what they're proposing to do is uh going to disturb an area of less than 5,000 square feet, as I indicated before, I recommend that they obtain a soil erosion and sediment control plan because they're right adjacent to the lake. and regardless of how careful a contractor is, something could get down in the lake and we don't want that. Uh, and I believe they agreed to do that. There were no objections. Okay. Uh, we talked about the year-

round maintenance of the road and the applicant just comment on that as far as the hold harmless liability situation that the board attorney explained. Uh, I do note that the subject property is in the Highlands preservation area and they're going to have to get approval from the Highlands for this application if the board acts favorably upon it. Uh, they have an existing well on site. Uh, and that's going to continue as the same. And when I went out and looked at the site, uh, they did have a new septic system put in a few years ago. So, that's been brought up to the standards uh, currently as far as the county health department's concerned. and they do have electric there coming off a pole on Hawthorne Lake Road. With regards to storm drainage, uh the net increase of the impervious area is approximately 449 square ft. That's less than the 500 square ft minimum in order to require mitigation under Spartis Township's ordinance. So, they're not going to have to mitigate that. Any excess water from the gutters and what have you is going to be directed down to the lake anyway. Uh, and I think that's basically what item 5B is geared towards. So, they direct it towards the lake. And in addition to that, with the uh typical section through their new deck, they do have a gap that's going to allow storm water that goes onto the deck to flow through the joints and go down onto the existing ground below. Anyway, with regards to the architectural plans, uh, as Mr. Benondorf and the applicant explained they're not adding new uh dwell excuse me they're not adding new bedrooms so that doesn't affect the septic system. Uh it's a crawl space that my understanding from the previous testimony the applicant is not proposing to use other than to construct a concrete slab. They call it a rat slab just to put a a covering on that floor

space below the crawl space. Uh they indicated there's no plans to utilize that crawl space. Correct. Uh no. Okay. And we talked about the deck. It's not to be enclosed and not to be heated. Uh there was not a separate EIS provided, but they did address on their plans uh the situation that they're right by the lake and Lake Hawthorne is a class C1 water uh which has a 300 foot repairarium buffer. However, they pointed out that given what they're talking about doing with this particular application, it does qualify for what the D calls permit my rule number 12 and number 16, which allows the removal of certain trees right in the area where they're going to put the addition on and also doesn't disturb other trees or violate any of the other D requirements. And as I indicated before, they have to get approval from the Highlands Council. Yes. And with regards to approval, uh, we just ask that they verify, just so the county health department's records are up to date, the well and the septic capacity. They've got the township construction official, fire department, uh, D repairing and wetland permits, which are being taken care of by permit by rule, the upper Delaware conservation district, which is the soil conservation, just to make sure there's no negative impact to the lake, and the Highlands Council. And as the usual practice, we like to see and I believe the board also embraces upon completion of the project the applicant to provide an asbuilt so we can make sure all the conditions of any approval the board might consider are in fact adhered to. And that's my update. Thank you. David had a quick question. Uh David, for some reason I had two notes from the original meeting. front yard must face an improved street and no lot may contain more than one principal structure. Did we discuss that

for some reason? I don't know why we discussed that. Uh so there were uh two pre-existing non-conforming variances. Those were in fact the variances that there was a principal structure more than one principal structure on uh a single family residential in a single family residential zone and additionally that it faced an unimproved uh street. Um but again they were pre-existing non-conforming structures and I made the argument at that first meeting regarding section 68 this homes existed for since at least um uh since at least 1930s. Um so we felt that the section 68 applied if a use variance was suggested or even considered and we didn't feel that it was necessary but I just made that comment. All right. I that's fine. I just want to indicate that this has been in existence forever and they're not doing anything to intensify the use or anything else. They're just making reasonable use of the property. So, I think I think council is correct. Doesn't trigger any varian stuff. It's it's just what you got here. Yeah, I was just pointing those. I thought I was losing my mind. I had to note. So, thanks for confirming. I'm not sure. I They might be in Mr. Simmons report, too. Uh but I I don't think he noted them. I I didn't see him in there for some reason, but No, but I I did comment that as I mentioned before, all the lots, all excuse me, all the dwellings that are on that lot are on one tax lot, right? So that's where it comes in. More than one principal dwelling on a lot. All right. Thank you, Marissa. I'll open up to the board here for any questions or comments from the board members. Literary. Um just just one brief one from the fire marshall review. um the email correspondence um with the Ogdensburg Fire Department. Did they have any official letter or documentation they wanted to provide or was that just uh they did not. Okay. Um and then all of the points that you made in that um attachment um you're willing to agree with? Yes.

It's in Okay, that's all the questions I have as conditions of approval. Sure. Print Roar Becker. I have no questions. Jennifer Pernah, I have a question uh slightly out of curiosity too. So you David, you mentioned impervious coverage. Uh but you've got one lot with 20 something dwellings. How do you measure impervious coverage for something like this? Is it an aggregate? Well, uh Lake in this situation is kind of unique, I think, is fair to say. And I don't have the calculation in front of me, but if you took all those dwellings and divided it by the 400 plus acres, it's going to be a very small percentage. So, what I did, I knew it wasn't going to exceed the percentage that's allowed for a particular individual lot, but I defaulted back to the township ordinance that on a particular application, if you're adding 500 square ft or more of additional impervious for that particular dwelling, that's when it could have triggered some storm water mitigation, be it infiltrators or a dry well or that type of thing. And I believe they came in just slightly under that. Uh so based on that 449 square feet they were under the 500 so they were okay. So um these folks right here that are in Hawthorne Lake right now seem like they are preserving they're very preservationists. What protects something as special as Hawthorne Lake if the ownership were to change over and people were trying to make all of these structures as large as possible? And is there is there boundaries for a property as special as this to be able to prevent overdevelopment of it? You know, I think again I think this particular application is fairly unique from the standpoint it's an existing dwelling. We're not adding a new dwelling. Right. We're basically adding

in addition as Mr. Keane said to make it more functional and usable for the for the owner. I think her her question was a little more broad. It is it is broad. I just What happens what happens if 15 of those the the ownership decides 15 of those homes should go they think they're selling to a preservationist and they sell to you know someone who's you know but I it is a category one lake right so that we have the setbacks and things protecting it. Yeah. And actually what happens is they would have to come in and still get approvals. Let's assume they wanted to improve five of those homes and take them from 1,200 square feet up to 4200 square feet each. And I think that was what her concern was. The answer is they would have to come back into sport. You all would have to review it. And as far as I'm concerned, that would change the dialogue that Dan and I just had about it not triggering the variances. So I think you're asking the right question. It's just that this one is neither fish nor Exactly. And I I think the other That's a good point. And I think the other things that come into play in this particular piece of overall property, the C1 category one water, which has a 300 foot repairarium buffer, plus you're in the Highlands. And if I was going to be an applicant and do 5 4200 square foot home improvements or whatever before I came to this board, I talked to the Highlands because I don't know if they'd even allow that. And it might be a very old man if you ever got that one approved in the state. Probably wouldn't have any hair, let alone gray hair. But my my point is there's some environmental things that are built in, I think, in this property that might short circuit some of that. Okay. Help protect it, I should say. I have no further questions. Chairman Kenneth Larry. No questions. Okay. I'll now open the hearing to the public. If anyone has any questions or comments on this application, please come forward. Seeing no one in the public, it's now closing back to the board.

Any other questions before we move on to a motion to approve. All right. The chair will entertain a motion approving this application. So move. Now, Richard, there'll be the stipulations that were previously outlined. Not that easy, my friend. I know I'm going to cheat. So, I'll have to make an addendum to your motion. That's fine. If you accept that. I accept. All right. We'll have our board attorney prepare a resolution approving application 15-24, Nancy Hodskins, block 2800, lot 12 to make modifications to an existing structure with the addition of office deck and bathroom. pre-existing conditions there. No lot may contain more than one principal structure. Also, front yard must face an improved street. Following conditions, adherence to our board engineer David Simmons report, also to Mr. RC is HPC board of governors report and also approval for the addition and deck from the Highlands Council and the NJD. The deck will not be enclosed or lighted. and also the following approvals that need be needed and confirmed even though they're in Mr. Simmons report. Sussexus County Health Department for the septic

system and well capacity our township construction official building permits etc. fire department of the town. Again, the NJD, Upper Delaware Conservation District, and the Highlands Council. Also, as build plans for the site be prepared by a licensed New Jersey land surveyor surveyor upon completion of the project and also to hold harmless doctrine for the town and association to be reviewed by our court attorney, Glenn Kees. Correct. Yes, sir. Thank you. And that's according to all plans and testimony submitted here tonight. And I think that's it. Did everything uh covered? Glenn, I think you have everything covered. I have one question for Dave. Are you 100% sure they need Highland's review and approval or should I put if required? I believe they need it. Think they need it. Okay, that's fine. I I just I was going to put if required if you weren't so sure. Oh, I believe they need it. Dave, I'm not challenging you, buddy. Okay. All right. I'm all set, Mr. Good. Thank you. Do you accept that amendment? Accept that amendment. Yes. Now, we'll have to open it to the public again before they take the vote. Glenn, what's the procedure here? It looks like you have a question, but it's not like we have a thousand people here waiting in line. So, you might you might break from protocol, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Please give your name and address to the board secretary. Um I'm Cindy Christian at 13 Hawthorne Lake Road in Sparta, New Jersey. The clarifying question is we're actually a T1. So your stipulations talk about the county relative to septic, but because of our unique land o ownership model. It's actually a T1 permit. So it

does comply with county uh it is the same code, but it's not online. It's not was not registered with the county. It was registered as a team one at the state level. All of our septics follow that kind of governance. So I just want to clarify that relative to her stipulations. David, does that do anything in what they need? Does that bas based on my review of the houser plans as I indicated before? They had a septic system upgraded not too long ago. I'm I'm expecting just to get a letter from the county that with the proposed addition they're doing to existing septic and this existing well are satisfied. Okay. But she's raising a different question because she says the county hasn't even looked at it necessarily. Well, yeah, because again, we fall under a campsite because of the multiple structures that you guys have alluded to several times. So, we are technically a T1 in the guise of the D. So, I'm just saying for if you guys need documentation, I don't want you to run into a roadblock with the county because it's filed under a T1. That mean anything to you, Dave? No, I Yeah, it's we're lucky. very lucky and we'd love to get out from under it, but it does comply with all the county specs. There's no I get it. If it's all right with the board and Mr. Simmons, I would put that the county stuff that he said uh if required and subject to final review and approval of Mr. Simmons so that if they get into a rabbit hole, right, David can pull them out. Is that fair? Yeah, perfect. Dave, you got a problem with that? That's fine. All right, good. Thank you, ma'am. Do I have a second? I'll second. Marissa, please call the role. Landon Tineri, yes. Richard Roarbacker, yes. Jennifer Paha, yes. Chairman Kenneth Larry, yes. Just would note on the record, Mr. Chairman, that all members were qualified to vote. I had something etched in pen, not bloodched in pen. All

right. Definitely, Glenn, everyone was qualified to vote here tonight. Okay. Congratulations. Good luck with everything. Okay. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Have a good evening. What about the u Yeah, the waiver. The waiver. How fast do you want to get started? Because you kind of lost some time on this. I can come anytime it's ready. I'm here for the summer. So, as soon as it's ready to sign, I can come in. So, I don't you understood? Yeah. They're they're what they're asking is a waiver of a reading of the resolution. So it essentially means that this evening you could go and file for your permit um without having to wait for them to prepare a resolution and us get the approval uh through the memorialization of the resolution. Um the problem with that is that there's a gamble that you take but I can explain that to you outside in the hall and I would suggest not as your counsel but as the board attorney that you take the waiver for that waiver. Okay. All right. So wave your right to a written resolution. Okay. Yes, you'll still get one, but Okay, you can get uh entertain a motion. So moved. Second, please second. Marissa, please call the role. Liner, yes. Richard Roarbacker, yes. Jennifer Paha, yes. Chairman Kenneth Larry, yes. You're welcome. Again, congratulations. Good luck. Have a great Thank you. And then since there's no one in the audience with any questions or comments on items not on the agenda tonight. Okay. Chair will entertain a motion adjourning. Oh. Oh, yeah. Excuse. I'm sorry, David. I apologize. You had a question. That That's okay. I just wanted to update the board on one item real quick just so it's on the record and everybody's aware of it. Uh if you'll recall up on number 266 Woodport Road, the Shabbat of Sussex County, if you remember that application. Yes. I don't know if any of you were on the board at that time. I don't Landon was. Jennifer wasn't. Landon wasn't. You are on the Sabbat just the Shabbat one there. Yeah, just

the two of you. Yeah. All right. Go ahead. Okay. The bottom line is uh they're finally starting to do some construction on that site and I received a call from them uh with regards to uh a couple of the conditions in the resolution for compliance. And the one condition in the resolution number five said the applicant will submit safety plan approved by the police department to the board engineer for approval. Right. And what that really was is to those of you that were here, uh there was a concern that even though they're going up to 18 parking spaces, which handles their facilities based on the township ordinance and what they anticipate happening, if they had some really special event for a holiday or whatever, uh they might have to utilize the parking uh the parking at the nearby Lutheran church, for example, and have people walk up to the site. And as a result of that on Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Wood Woodssworth Place uh the site plan showed a set of new steps going down to Woodsworth Place. The board was concerned about pedestrian traffic uh and on the state highway. So that's why that condition went in there to make sure the police were happy and then they convey that to me as the board engineer. Uh I did talk to the police in order to help them resolve that condition. And suffice it to say, the the better plan I feel, and I wanted to let the board know about it, that they came up with was instead of having people walk from the one parking lot up uh Route 181 of State Highway, they have a van and they're putting together a plan where if they have to use that parking lot or some other, they will in fact have a shuttle van that will safely bring the people up to the parking lot. Tom Graham from Dyster Walker Design Group is putting that plan together uh including what I just described in the written agreement to use the parking lot at the church and that was satisfactory to the police and

once we get that plan they're going to uh issue an email or a memo to that effect and in furtherance of that my recommendation to them was that set of new steps going down from their new parking lot to Wordssworth Place elimin eliminate those. So it does not encourage people to walk rather to take the van up and have a safer mode of transportation. So I looked at it as a field change and it was satisfactory to Sergeant Smith at the Sparta Police Department, but I just wanted everyone in the board to know what it was in case you went by and said, "Where' the steps go?" That's why they were proposed to be eliminated. Excellent, David. Thank you for all that followup and everything you did with that site. Not a problem. come a long way from when they started piling the mounds of garbage bags there, remember? Years ago after the approval. So, they've come a long way. Yes, they have. And again, thank you for your input and what you've done there. No problem, sir. All right. I have. Okay, good. So, I think we adjourned or did we have a motion to adjurnn? We had a motion and that's it. I'll second that. Second it. And we all agreed to adjurnn, right? Yes. Okay. Yes, we're journ. Thanks again, David. You're welcome. Thank you, Z.