City Commission - Regular Meeting

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Welcome. Welcome, everybody, to the South Miami City Commission Tuesday, July 21. We're going to go ahead and get started. Please silence your cell phones. Madam City Clerk, can you please call the roll?

Yes. Vice Mayor Corey? Present. Commissioner Rodriguez? Here. Commissioner Bonnige? Here. Commissioner Kaye? Here. You have a quorum.

Thank you very much. And if everyone could join me for a moment of silence, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance by Commissioner Kaye. Commissioner Kaye.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I didn't realize it was right. Don't even try to move it.

Hug it. Hug it.

Hug it. I can help you. It'll be like an Iwo Jima moment.

I said hug it.

All right, so next up is public remarks. I don't know if everyone had a chance to fill out the sheet in the back of the room. When I call your name, if you could just come up to the podium, give your address, please. One moment. Thank you very much. First up is Reynold Martin. Welcome, Reynold. Good, thank you. You might have to turn the microphone on.

No, wait. They'll do it for you, Reynold.

All right. Yeah. The issue is coming up on the agenda when you're talking about the Thelma Gibson Health Initiative. If I could reserve comments when that comes up.

I think that's OK. Yeah. We'll call you back up when the initiative.

I think it's just a presentation.

Right. So they won't be able to. OK. Well, it is a presentation. So it's going to be coming up soon. So if you'd like to speak, you could speak now. Sorry about that.

I'm Reynolds Martin. I'm with the Health Facilities Authority, appointed by you guys several years ago. And an issue came up where Baptist was able to provide the commission with the authority to, help organizations like the Thelma Gibson Health Initiative, who has been responsible to members of our community and the Coconut Grove community for folks that don't have access to the kind of services that they provide. And I felt that this would be an excellent opportunity for the commission to help an organization like Thelma Gibson Health Initiative to do the kind of things that they're doing. But I'm sure they'll be better able to tell you what they do because they are here this time. And let's hope that you guys. treat them favorably, because they're a great organization that do great work. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Randall. Next up is Darren Rizzo.

Vice Mayor, I think there's two names that are on there. Mr. Rizzo, Mr. Borbano. They're both here independently. One is in Softdale and one is UDP. Mr. Borbano is here. They're here to speak on F4. Okay. So I think we can bring them up when those presentations come up.

Okay, great. We'll reserve your comments for the presentation.

Not yet.

When the presentation comes up, we'll have you come up. Yeah. Thank you.

And there's one more name down here. I'm probably going to butcher it. I can't quite see. I think it's Sasha. OK, great. So we'll call you up at that time. All right. Thank you very much. Is there anybody online?

Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand if you would like to speak. NO.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THAT WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND IF WE COULD MOVE INTO THE FIRST PRESENTATION, PLEASE. I BELIEVE CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE TAKING THIS ONE?

YEAH, EMPLOYER ACCORDER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WENDY, OUR H.R. AND RISK MANAGER PRESENT ON THIS ITEM. Do a much better job than I would.

Good evening, everybody. This is my first one presenting, and it's kind of perfect that I get to do this. I know Sam, the deputy city manager, really wanted to be here. She nominated our employee of the quarter for the second quarter. Francesca, you can come up. I'm going to go ahead and read her comments. So many of you on the commission have worked on initiatives with her. She consistently demonstrates exceptional organizational skills, initiative, and follow through while managing a diverse portfolio of projects. Her responsibilities span mayor and city commission initiatives, transit and transportation programs and audits, the city's composting discussions, and each requiring coordination across multiple stakeholders and competing deadlines. Her attention to detail, responsiveness, and commitment to seeing initiatives to completion have resulted in meaningful progress on several key city priorities. And Deputy City Manager says she's a consistent go-to person for her. So congratulations. I present you the certificate for the Employee of the Quarter, and I'll let you speak.

Everyone asked if I was going to speak, so I felt pressure to write something. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, leadership, and community members. I prepared a few remarks because I tend to ramble when I'm nervous, and I really don't want to get our CFOs rapid upstairs. I'm truly honored to be recognized this evening. First, I'd like to thank everyone who's asked me to prepare a comparison table in Excel, because as you may or may not know, I genuinely love tracking data and Excel formatting. But in all seriousness, I'm incredibly grateful to be recognized by our department heads as the employee of the quarter. A few years ago, after the pandemic changed many factors in all of our lives, I never imagined I'd find myself in a professional role where I not only love coming to work, but I also feel challenged, supported, and given ample opportunity for growth. I'm especially grateful to our deputy city manager and our city manager for their guidance and encouragement. They've been incredibly supportive and have already taught me so much. I also consider myself very fortunate to work alongside our mayor and commissioners. Your passion for this community is contagious. Getting to help move your initiatives forward and to see the impact they have on our residents has been one of the most rewarding parts of this job. I'd like to dedicate this award to my grandmother, who passed away in December. She was a trailblazer in public service in her home country and dedicated her life to making her community and country a better place. This award feels even more meaningful because at the beginning of this year, was personally one of the hardest seasons of my life after losing her. I told myself quarter two was going to be my comeback season, like one of those underdog movies from sports that I feel like assumes, imitates real life. As I approach my one year anniversary with the city at the end of this month, receiving this recognition today is something I didn't even realize I needed. It has made this milestone even more meaningful. I hope my grandmother is looking down and proud that I'm following in her footsteps of public service. I'm truly humbled and deeply grateful. Thank you all so much. And finally, the mayor told me to be brief and brilliant, so I hope I nailed at least one of those. Thank you.

Can you come up for a picture, please? And we're doing the proclamation now.

Good evening, everyone. I apologize for my tardiness. So we are on proclamation for Mano de Vera. Perfect. So today we want to honor a relatively new restaurant here in South Miami, which certainly is one of my favorites, which is Mano de Vera.

Me too, Mayor.

Thank you.

You too? Fantastic. So I'll briefly read the proclamation. We'll just ask you guys to come up to be recognized. Whereas the City of South Miami proudly recognizes the outstanding achievements of the local businesses whose commitment to excellence enhances our quality of life, cultural richness, and economic vitality. And whereas Manolimera, located in the heart of South Miami, has distinguished itself through its innovative interpretation of authentic Italian cuisine, exceptional hospitality, probably repeat the authentic and exceptional Italian cuisine, and unwavering dedication to culinary artistry. And whereas the Michelin Guide is internationally regarded as one of the world's most respected authorities on fine dining, and whereas Monte Libero has earned the distinguished honor of being recognized as a Michelin recommended restaurant, an achievement that reflects the talent, passion, and dedication of Chef Marco Giuliano and restaurant ownership and the entire team. And whereas the city of South Miami applauds Mano Libre for serving as an ambassador of excellence whose accomplishments inspire our business community and bring pride and distinction to our city. Now, therefore, I, Javier Fernandez, as mayor, along with my colleagues, City Commission, Vice Mayor Brian Corey, Commissioners Lebonich, Steve Kaya, and Danny Rodriguez, do hereby proclaim today, July 21st, 2026, Mano Libre Day. Congratulations. Please take the podium.

I want to just say some words.

You got to give us your name and address for the record. So sorry.

I didn't prepare any speech. So unfortunately, Marco, Chef Marco is not here. He's cooking right now. So I want to just say thank you. It's an incredible honor for us to be here. And we are very proud to serve this beautiful community. So thank you so much.

Thank you. And for those who don't know the restaurant, can you tell us a bit about I know my favorite is walking in and asking him to basically come up with a menu on the spot. So can you share a little bit about the dining experience for those who may be listening, haven't been, and may want to check you guys out?

Yeah, of course. The menu is all about an Italian tradition. make it a little bit more modern. So the idea at first was to bring a nomakaze style, so something that is always different every night and is always up to the chef. So nobody knows, besides him, what's going to arrive at the table. So of course, we take care of allergies or food restrictions. We are not here to kill anybody.

Thank you for that. Yes, we appreciate it.

It's a fun way to think about dinner. So we decided to go this way to make it a little bit more personal and different from the regular restaurants.

Well, if you've not been, I highly encourage you to go. It's a fantastic dining experience. The food is as good as any in this community. And certainly the attention and detail, the staff, the service is, again, among the best that certainly we have in South Miami, say anywhere in Dade County. So thank you for investing in our small city and anchoring that very nice space in certainly one of our, I think, favorite streets here in South Miami. Thank you so much. Congrats again. Thank you.

Let's do a picture. Yeah.

OK, Commissioner Rodriguez, I think you had the next presentation, which is F3, for the Thelma Gibson Health Initiative. Do you want to kick us off?

Jordan, the floor is yours.

Jordan, when you start, please, your name and address for the record.

Thank you. My name is Jordan Thomas, director of operations at TGHI, Thelma Gibson Health Initiative. Just want to say good evening to the mayor, commissioners, officials. TGHI is a nonprofit health and human services organization in Coconut Grove serving the greater Miami as well. And tonight I'm here to share with you who we are, the work we've been doing right here in South Miami, and why your partnership through the Health Facility Fund matters to the seniors of this community. Our work begins with our matriarch, Thelma Vernell Anderson Gibson, RN, civil rights activist and registered nurse who dedicated more than 50 years to advocating for the underserved residents in Coconut Grove and beyond. We lost her this past February. Her legacy is not a memory. It is the work that we do every day. And it is why we are standing here before you tonight. So a little bit about us. TGHI was founded in 2001 and has spent 24 years delivering health and human services to the most vulnerable residents of Coconut Grove and the greater Miami, including the city of South Miami. Our team includes master level counselors, case managers, and health navigators. Certified professionals committed to serving the people who often have no one else to turn to. And before I go further, I want to speak directly to the commission's history with TGHI. In 2001, Commissioner Bethel formally invited our organization to serve the seniors of South Miami and the CRA. We accepted that invitation and we have never left. For 24 years, South Miami seniors have been our seniors. Over 100 elderly clients, ages 75 and older, are being served by TGHI at the South Miami Senior Center on Southwest 62nd Avenue right now. We are not a new organization asking to enter this community. South Miami invited us, and we have been a consistent, accountable presence ever since. TGHI serves residents across all life stages. Tonight, our focus is on the elderly program, but I want this commission to see the breadth of what TGHI delivers across the community. From youth workforce readiness to senior health navigation, every program is built around the same principle, connecting people to resources they can thrive, so that they can thrive, excuse me. And this is, here's what we do for the seniors of South Miami specifically. We help them apply for and renew SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, Golden Passport, and STS transportation. We connect them to home health aides through United Home Care, also providing them free mental health therapy and general logical counseling, specialized support tailored to the challenges of aging that most providers are not equipped to offer. We schedule their medical appointments, review their mail, guide them through their budgets, and assist through Social Security hearings. We do not just refer to them somewhere else. We stay with them until the job is done. And if you look at the screens, it's a step-by-step process of documentation, navigating their benefits, and at the very end guiding them through health and wellness. Additional services are also digital literacy workshops, as I mentioned before, budgeting, mail review and whatever service that they need help being guided through. TGHI operates at three service locations serving nearly 300 elderly clients in total. The South Miami Senior Center is right here in your jurisdiction. Over 100 of your residents, ages 75 and older, depend on TGHI every week. And if you look at one of those pictures, it shows, oh, sorry, I'm on the wrong one. Going there, and then our hurricane preparedness. I want to show the Commission something that happened right here in South Miami just two weeks ago. In partnership with FPL and the Florida Council of Aging and United Home Care, TGHI distributed over 300 hurricane preparedness meal kits to elderly residents at South Miami Senior Center. These are residents of South Miami, seniors ages 75 and older, many living alone without any family to help them prepare and we made sure they were not forgotten when hurricane season arrived. TGHI does this without waiting to be asked and with the support of the Health Facility Fund we will be able to reach even more elderly residents across your community when they need most. and this is going over where we serve. South Miami is serving over 100 of the elderly clients, Stirrup Senior Center in Coconut Grove over 100 as well and Gibson Plaza Apartments in Coconut Grove also serving 80 and additional elderly clients. And the results of this work is measurable. In 2024, TGHI served over 300 elderly clients, more than 100 of them right here in South Miami, specifically the South Miami Senior Center. 85% report improved care coordination after working with us. Three in four participate in group social activities, which is a direct response to the isolation that drives cognitive and physical decline in this age group. So tonight, I am respectfully requesting a contribution of $200,000 from the Health Facility Fund. These funds will be directed towards four areas, staffing the case managers and health navigators who deliver hands-on service at the South Miami Senior Center, expanding our mental health therapy and genderological counseling capacity, identifying and enrolling isolated seniors in the CRA who are not yet connected to us. and sustaining the programming and outreach, including the hurricane preparedness that keeps our seniors safe and supported. And I'm happy to provide a full budget breakdown in writing if anyone would like to see. In conclusion, South Miami invited TGHI into this community 24 years ago. This contribution would honor that invitation and ensure the seniors of South Miami continue to receive the care and dignity they deserve. I welcome any questions and I'm grateful for this commission's time and consideration. Thank you.

Jonathan, thank you for your comments. Commissioner Rodriguez, do you want to kick us off in terms of questions?

Thank you. No, as far as questions and all that, I've already had my conversation, so I leave it open to you guys to ask.

Any questions, colleagues? I'm happy to take it in any order you guys like. I've got a couple questions, but you probably asked the same one, so I'll let you have the floor.

When you say you are currently in our city, you provide the hurricane preparedness. What else are you doing with our seniors? And how is that getting funded?

We're currently funded through City of Miami, county, and other private organizations that fund this. And we have care coordinators who are at these locations around the clock, Monday through Friday, helping these seniors by appointment, by walk-in, for anything they need. They walk them through all their, like I said, the documentations, benefits, really just see where they're at and what they need.

thank you further questions uh yeah mayor you recognize sir thank you um you were able to provide some documentation based on budgets and all that so i think that the only issue that i see for a two hundred thousand dollar uh it's not recurring right it's a one-time yes fun and you're staffing right so we staff only for one year or I don't know how long that will last. I think I just want to see that, like what your plan is, what's your plan for the $200,000 so I can understand it better and kind of make a decision based on that. I do know that we'd have other opportunities that we need to look at as well. So there should be a decision process while we go through that. We have multiple different health facilities that probably need some fixing up and doing that as well. So please send that over to us, maybe through the clerk, and she'll distribute it. I'm happy to. No problem. Appreciate it.

Mr. Corey? Vice Mayor, excuse me. No worries. I was going to echo the same thing as Commissioner Kaye. I think we have some decisions to make on the allocation of those funds, and I think having more detail on it will only help that. It's a good time for us to be talking about this. It's during our budget season, but it would be great for us to see that.

Happy to provide it. No problem.

Thank you. Thank you.

Again, thanks for the presentation. Again, anything that has Ms. Gibson's name on it deserves our immediate respect and attention. She's an icon in this community. So we're grateful for the services you guys have been offering. I think just as part of the information that you'll send over, if you could just kind of let us know, again, what's the annual cost of serving South Miami residents currently? um how that's being funded funded what the scope of work is under whatever grant agreements you have so we can figure out you know how if we were to make a commitment you know what terms basis and how it complements some of the existing funding one of the challenges we have as commissioner kai mentions is ours is a a one-time grant i'm not sure whether there are assuming there are limitations All we can use that funding for, we can get into that at another point in time. And we do have another very important institution here in South Miami that we are the owners of the building that they're in as well. And it does have some capital needs that we're aware of. So we'll be probably trying to vet this request against those needs as well. But appreciate very much what we can do and anything we can do beyond helping out of this pot. Let's get together and chat and see how we can support the work you're doing currently.

We appreciate it. Thank you, John. Thank you.

Okay, thank you for your time. Okay, let's move to item F4, please. Okay, so colleagues, this is a quick update on discussions about opportunities for waste diversion or waste handling at our public works yard. You'll recall that we put out an RFP earlier this year. Fortunately, unfortunately, it came back with no responses. Before I've gotten these two proposers have sent in some information, which I wanted to share with all of you. But before we went on embarking on a very long analysis and possible negotiation of an agreement with either party, as we have in the past, I know we've gone down this road before and unfortunately ended up Without any tangible results. So I want to make sure when number one there was a willingness to engage in this conversation that I've shared with both parties Whatever we do cannot be contingent upon a commitment of the county's future waste stream Right since that was the issue that kind of bogged down our last negotiation with the prior Proposer and wanted to, you know, have you hear from both parties that have submitted the desire to have a direct negotiation now that the solicitation is over, get a sense of their proposals, ask them questions, and then we can kind of close after brief presentations and questions and maybe give staff some direction as to whether or not we want to proceed with discussions or further vetting of both proposals. So that's kind of the intention of tonight's discussion or presentation item. I was going to give, if you guys have an objection, both parties about seven minutes to present their concepts, and then we can have a short Q&A with each proposal or proposer. And I was going to call up, just consistent with the order on the agenda, in soft tell first. I think Christian Burbano is here. Good evening. If you can come to the podium, introduce yourself and your team, we'd appreciate it. We'll hear from him, have some Q&A, and then we'll follow that up with UDP Logistics, which is the other interested party, and ask them some questions, and then be closed with a brief conversation. Sound okay? Yep. Okay. Mr. Bobato, the floor is yours.

Thank you. Can you hear me?

Yes, sir.

Okay, my name is Christian Burano. Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the Commission, city clerk, city manager, city attorneys, and all the distinguished guests here. Normally I would be presenting this initiative. Today I will be reading my initiative just to be sure that I'm going to stay within the time guidelines and be sure that I'm going to be with the numbers that I'm going to show you guys today, okay?

Thank you.

So thank you for giving us the opportunity to present our proposal today. We are here because we believe South Miami has an opportunity that very few cities have. the opportunity to transform one of its largest operating expenses into a long-term source of revenue without requiring to the city invest its own capital. As you know, every city must manage municipal solid waste. Traditionally, there have been three primary approaches, landfills, incineration, and waste-to-energy facilities. While each has served an important role, they all share one common characteristic. They are expensive, and they all rely on gate fees. In Miami County, that gate fee is approximately $76 per ton. In other words, under the traditional model, waste is viewed as a cost. South Miami generates approximately 30 tons of municipal solid waste each day. While that presents a real challenge, it also presents an opportunity. Conventional waste technologies were designed for much larger municipalities, making it difficult to justify the enormous capital investments they require for a city of South Miami's size. But what if waste wasn't simply something to dispose of? What if it became an economic asset? That is exactly what our waste value platform is designed to accomplish. Rather than treating municipal solid waste as something with a disposal cost, our technology converts it into a high-value industrial feedstock known as a renewable solid hydrocarbon. We're going to give you guys a sample of the hydrocarbon. This material has a strong and growing demand in global markets because it can be used in the production of hydrogen, biodiesel, sustainable elevation fuel, and other renewable energy products. and nine traditional waste facilities that depend primarily on charging gate fees to remain profitable, our model creates value from the commercialization of the renewable product itself. That allows us to lower disposal costs while remaining economically competitive, a benefit for both the city of South Miami and...

I'm sorry to interrupt, but are you advancing the presentation, the PowerPoint? Does he have the clicker?

Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry.

Just so we know we're on the right page. There we go.

So I have an speech here, and it's all in the presentation.

We have the handouts as well, but I just want to make sure we're following along. Okay. Thank you.

So unlike the traditional waste facilities that depend primarily on charging gate fees to remain profitable, our model creates value from the commercialization of the renewable product itself that allowed us to lower disposal costs while remaining economically competitive, a benefit for both the city of South Miami and every third party customer we can serve. This changed economics completely. Instead of generating revenue by charging higher disposal fees, our model creates value by producing a marketable commodity, that is the hydrocarbon. The numbers are compelling. Our proposed facility has an estimated capital cost of approximately $55 million. compared to approximately $400 million for a conventional waste-to-energy facility. Once operational, the project has the potential to generate up to $25 million in annual revenue because revenue is generated through the commercialization of renewable solid hydrocarbon and waste processing. We can offer gate fees approximately 50% lower than those currently available in Miami-Dade County. That reduces gate fee creates a significant competitive advantage. It makes the facility highly attractive not only for South Miami's waste, but also for neighboring municipalities, private holders, and commercial waste generators throughout the region seeking a more economical disposal solution. The ability to attract third party waste strengthens the economics of the project while providing substantial savings to our customers. For the city of South Miami, the benefits are straightforward. First, the city would eliminate approximately 800,000 in annual disposal costs currently associated with managing its own municipal solid waste. Second, under our proposed partnership, the city would receive 50% of all gate fee revenue generated from third party waste delivered to the facility. Every municipality, private holder, or commercial customer that chooses our lower-cost facility creates a new revenue stream, shared directly with the city. Based on projected operating capacity, the city's share of gate fee revenue is estimated to generate between 1.6 million and 7.4 million annually, depending on whether the facility processes 300 or 1,200 tons of waste per day. Third, the city would also participate in the commercialization of the renewable solid hydrocarbon produced by the facility, generating an estimated between $150,000 to $700,000 in additional annual revenue, depending on production levels. Combined, these benefits are projected to provide the city of South Miami with an overall economic benefit ranging from approximately $2.5 million up to $9 million per year over a period of at least 20 years.

Just to be clear, so I want to make sure I'm hearing this correctly, 1.6 million to 7.4 based on either 300 tons a day to 1,200 tons a day. That's the range.

That's the range.

Okay, and then on the RSH, 150,000 to 700,000 tons.

It's going to be like 3% of the commercialization.

Okay, so 3% of whatever your sales are of the byproduct. And so you're saying that it's between collectively $2.5 million to $9 million a year, every year for the 20-year period. Yeah, for the 20-year period. So roughly $180 million. Yeah. Gross. Gross, exactly. Thank you. Sorry, continue.

Okay, thank you. Most importantly, this can be accomplished without requiring the city to finance or construct the facility itself. Beyond the financial benefits, this project offers something even more important. It gives South Miami the opportunity to become a leader in municipal innovation. Rather than following traditional models, the city can help define a new approach to waste management. One that views waste not as an expense to be buried, but as a valuable resource capable of creating economic and environmental benefits for future generations.

If you can give me another 30 seconds, we can wrap it up. Thank you. Thank you. We have some samples that we bought if the commission would like to see them. Sure, if you want to bring them forward. Is that the RSH you want to show us? Yeah.

Okay.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD FOR THE RECORD?

NO, IT'S OKAY. THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN SOUTH MIAMI WITH THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY.

WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. COLLEAGUES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BURBANO THAT YOU WANT TO ASK? MR. GALLEA WILL GO DOWN FROM MY RIGHT TO LEFT.

SIR, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS. You said the capital upfront costs would be roughly, you said, $35 to $50 million?

The capital of the CapEx, I mean. For the build-out? Yeah. $55. $55 million. $55 million.

And how does that get capitalized? What's the source of funding to go ahead and do something like that for this particular project?

I mean, we can finance the project or the total project with the sale of the final product because it's going to be in the global market. It's used to the hydrogen or sustainable fuel. So it has a high demand, the final product.

I guess the question is, is it a debt or equity model? Or how are you raising the capital to finance the facility? I understand it gets paid back over time from the revenues from the operation, right? So you recover your costs and earn a profit on it.

Yeah, we have private funds. Is that your question, Commissioner?

Sorry.

We have private funds to, I mean, finance all the copies of the infrastructure. And after, we are going to finance with the sale of the final product. I know. Is that what you're talking about?

It's like what the mayor said. How are you capitalizing the $55,000? million dollars to set up this facility.

$55 million.

It's not a construction normal type of financing, so it's a different financing model. I'm just trying to understand how you would build it up. What is the way you're going to pay for it?

Because we are going to sell the final product.

If you can go to the microphone so we can hear you and it can be in the record, please. If you can speak, please come forward.

Just before you start, your name and address for the record, please. My name is Sasha Pixay, resident here in South Miami at 4941 Southwest 75th Lane. Thank you. Pleasure to be here today, and thank you for giving me the podium today. Yeah, just to help Christian over here, the initial finance is supposed to be financed with third party, private equity type of financing. through typically a large industrial type player who's already in the energy industry and who would like to have the type of exposure for what you're thinking of the next generation energy production.

Is this something you need to go pitch to have that opportunity? Like you need to have the piece of land to go pitch that opportunity?

Typically, yes, but because Insoftel has the experience already, it's already committed. Yeah, per se, yes.

It's committed to... So now that we're talking about the experience, can you tell me a little bit more about the experience? Where is it that you guys facilitate? What facilities do you guys have?

We have a consortium.

We are supported by Technip Energies, that is our EPC company. They have facilities around the world.

But doing this?

Doing this? Specifically? We have two companies that support us. One of them is TRI, and it's in California. It's called ThermoShame Recovery, Inc., and they provide us the technology. And the other one is a company that is called Jilkins that is located in the Netherlands. They have clients like Heineken, Shell, Yokotama, ThyssenKrupp, and there is a lot of facilities with this technology around the world. but we have you done a facility like that before no no not me because in software at least like the developer for the business but the company that are supporting us they have all the experience and everything to do that that kind of facilities

Okay, and what's your role with the company? I'm sorry, just to make sure I'm on the same page.

I'm the CEO of Insoftel, and Insoftel is the developer of the opportunity. We are putting together the, I mean, the APC, the technology provider, and we are having the financing options, I mean, the private equity or any option that we have to finance.

I have a lot of questions. So what I'll do is I'll reserve my time, and maybe we can set up a time afterwards to go over this. I just want to understand it better.

But I think, Commissioner, just so it's helpful for staff, why don't you at least, if we don't take answers right now, why don't we get our questions out into the record so that the manager and Mr. Munoz can then do some further diligence to address your concerns? Because I don't, while we all want to have one-off meetings, I want them to also kind of work up an analysis for us. Okay. So we're comfortable whatever option we choose, you know, there's the right technological back, you have the right to license, you know, the technology. Okay. You've got the partnerships in place to actually build the infrastructure. You've got the capital stack, preferably not a leasehold mortgage, right? To finance the improvements, right? All those kinds of questions, which I know you probably have. Let's just get them out there so that staff hears them. and they can begin to kind of work on a diligence list for us and bring back some further analysis, and we can maybe decide what option we want to pursue, if any option at all.

Okay? How many tons of garbage do we process a day in South Miami? Do you have a rough understanding?

30.

The optimal amount? No, what do we do right now?

Garbage choice? 30 tons. All right.

And then you think that we can process up to 800 to 1,200 tons a day is what you were saying in your presentation? Yeah, tons a day. So you can expand to that level?

Yeah, we need to get the other amount.

So are you dependent on getting more municipalities to get that type of garbage? Yeah, that's the intention.

OK.

The product that you're developing, the outcome, the actual product. The final product, okay. Can you walk me again through how the sale of that, who buys that?

Is there a margin? The off-takers are going companies like maybe Shell or any company that they produce electricity as well. Energy? Yeah, energy. And it could be... There is in Japan a company called Marubeni that is like a commercializer and they have a lot of electricity plants and they use that to produce electricity because... And they buy these pellets? yeah they buy they buy those pelis because they are in in in japan it was forbidden the carbon so they have to use any any other any other alternative energy that not produce emissions or something like that okay and that happened with this

And so can you tell me, like, what the efficiency rate is? If we're doing 1,000 tons a day, how much of this are you producing?

It's going to be 300 tons per day. 300? It's going to be the 30% more or less. 30% efficiency?

Yeah. And what is, I mean, how do you sell this, by the ton? By ton, yeah. And what is the growing rate for this per ton?

More or less $195 per ton. Per ton? Yeah. under the price of the direct competence that is called white pellets. But this kind of product has even better characteristics than the white pellets.

So will they pay more for it?

Yeah, it could be.

So this is very similar to Omalo where we do plastic pellets and we put them in and create plastic.

The white pellets are created from the wood. And we have two very big differences. One of them is the calorific properties that has the hydrocarbon. very much better than the the white pellets and the other one is that the the white pellets are either hydrophilic that means that absorbs the water and that damage the product and these ones the hydrocarbons that we produce are hydrophobic so that repels the water so we don't need we don't have any issue to damage or something like that when we are going to export it

mean it in in theory it sounds like it's gonna work um i think there's a lot of factors that we need to discuss one is 55 million dollars for an infrastructure cost we need to understand how that's going to work uh whether you have partners you know where is that money coming from who are your partners because we're not going to lease you the land if we're not we don't understand where the money's coming from right like that's one of the things that are very important in any development opportunity yeah um and then secondly i would love to see i mean if you guys can show me i don't know if you have that now but I would love to see a working factory, if you will, or conversion, or one of these industrial plants where I can see it working and do some research on it. If you can send me or provide us some of the information of those factories and maybe have a Zoom call or somebody so I can understand.

Of course. And maybe we can invite it to you guys. Here in Durham, North Carolina, there is a facility that processes the waste.

Where in North Carolina?

Durham.

Durham. Close by.

And they they they do the whole process they they go up to a sustainable sustainable evasion fuel They donate stop in the in the hydrocarbon.

What's the name of the one in Durham? What is the name of the facility in Durham?

It says from TRI is the term all right. Yeah, TRI thermo sham recovery And the other facility that we can go is in in Netherlands is on the jilkins facility

I'll go to that one.

What was it called in the Netherlands? Joined by Jilkins, I think he said. It's in the Netherlands. I don't have the city. No, no. What's the name of the? Jilkins. Jilkins? Jilkins. Jilkins. It's Y-I-L-K-I-N-S. OK.

Thank you so much. I'm good.

Thanks. OK. Commissioner Rodriguez, you're recognized.

So I just want to get this correct, and just to reiterate. So Insoftel doesn't have any of its own functioning facilities like this one right now, but there are other ones that are existing that have the technology. So it's basically what you would do is use that technology and create your own facility in Insoftel, which would be here.

Yeah, as an integrator of the technology, but we have all the support of those companies to create the facilities. I mean, we are not going to create it.

It's going to be... And then in Softel, the origin of the company, I mean, you started it, but I imagine you have some experience in this field of energy and...

Our company is about the old technology and we have research in this kind of industry for three years right now. So that is why we decided to go to this kind of business because we know what is the necessity of energy and electricity around the world because of the new technologies that we have. including data centers, AI, and so on.

So to build a facility like this, what regulations are there? Do you have to go and get special permitting from the state, the county, the federal government?

Yeah, I mean, we have to have the permissions from the city or the county, and it's going to be built by an expert company in that kind of construction.

But for example, the city of South Miami, let's say, we all- You'd have to be right.

It would be permitted under the county's environmental regulations in chapter 24 of the county code. So yeah, basically the germ section of the code. And in this case, it would be in unincorporated counties. So it would be subject to their zoning regulations. I think this is, if I remember the county use schedule for having industrial, it would be a permitted use.

Think but you know we'd have to if I have to do some tillage just to confirm all that Just a couple more quick questions, so how big is this facility?

The site that we need is four acres more or less and you've been to our site already I would imagine you yeah, I have been there, and I think so they decide the side that was Mentioning the RFP right mm-hmm. Yeah, I have been there, and I think so is enough to construct

Okay, because obviously you're going to need the space to do that. So I'm just going to reiterate what my colleague said was, yeah, we definitely need to know about the financing. That's very important. I would imagine that everybody up here, the fear would be to have a facility, you know, half built or fully built and then all of a sudden funds go away and then we're just stuck with this facility you know so obviously before any decisions made at least on my part yeah we definitely need to see how uh not just construction but also operational wise how all that's going to get funded But, I mean, it sounds like a very interesting and very cool idea. I mean, if you guys, to pull this off, would be a little groundbreaking for this city and for yourself. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Further questions? You're recognized.

Thank you. Thank you very much for the presentation. Very, very interesting creative project. I just had two questions, and maybe you can bring this with the further analysis as well. It looks like from here that you would probably need to have 40 times the waste that we're providing to make the project viable. I just wonder if you've done analysis of the area in the region and how many people, what percentage of the market you need to do to achieve that. It would be nice to know how you envision that happening, where you can be competitive. Because obviously, if it goes too far away, people probably wouldn't want to tip their trash here. So I don't know if you have any of those numbers or if we could just get them later.

What we have tried to do is, we know that if, for example, just like an example, in Broward, they have, like, 1,500 tons per day that is overwhelming the infrastructure that they have over there. And they are paying more than $46 per ton to send to a landfill. So our technology is going to be profitable just with the sale of the final product. So we don't need really the gate fee. So according to that, we can Bring customers just saying that we can charge 35 dollars per ton gate fee So that's gonna be more than the 20% of the in savings in cost for them So I think so that we are going to be very attractive for them to bring the waste to our facility

Yes. And obviously, this is your business model, but it's all contingent on RSH being something people want to buy. So I'd love to see what that looks like. Obviously, we could do our own research on it on the global market for that and demand and trends for that for the last five, 10 years or however long it is.

So about the hydrocarbons?

Yeah.

What do you mean? Yeah, so I had the same question.

Yeah, I think it would be helpful in our follow-up conversations with staff to understand what is the global market for this kind of a product. So we understand the underwriting risk with financing the facility.

We want to make sure that the kind of market is something similar to the oil because it's this.

No, but I mean, in terms of, again, theoretically it's a replacement fuel for fossil fuels. Certainly, so that market is vast. I think what we would want to understand today, who are actual, what's the market of actual buyers for this? That's what you're saying, right, Vice Mayor? What's the actual market for buyers? How much?

So specifically?

Yeah, if it may not be the same exact product, but what equivalent product, how much of it's being sold and acquired in the marketplace? So again, the risk to us, to my colleagues' comment is, We give you a lease. You build a facility. The facility fails. We now have a single-use facility that's expensive to, an asset that's now expensive to reposition. So we have to make sure that whatever deal we strike, we have a pretty good understanding. of who your, that your economic model is viable, right? Not just as a, I would say not just as a replacement for traditional fossil fuels or other hydrocarbons, but for, that there's a known quantifiable market today of consumers for the RSH, because again, that's what's generating the vast amount of revenue to finance the facility from the numbers that I'm understanding.

Okay, so according to the, I mean, if we can have the 1,200 tons per day, we are going to produce 300 or 350 tons per day of hydrocarbons.

That means that annually we are going to produce... 125,000 tons, it's $24 or $25 million in revenue.

We get the numbers, but that's not... Yeah, but I mean with that kind of... Yeah, so is there a market for 130,000 tons of RSH globally? Exactly, because normally, annually we are going to produce 120,000 tons of that hydrocarbons, and we have at least three off-takers that are going to use much more than that. And they are going to commit it.

That's what we need to know. Is there a buy? Is there a put agreement with them? Essentially, you produce it. They're obligated to buy it. What's the structure on the back end so that we know we've got an integrated system here?

All we have to do is get a sample of the waste. And we are going to make specifically hydrocarbons to them. We are going to send the sample to them. And according to that characteristics, they are going to give us a letter of intention to buy it. More than the amount that we are going to produce and of those hydrocarbons So that they does it kind of that the way that we can assure the the business order it Sorry vice mayor you're good.

Okay, madam commissioner Thank you Mine is much a much more practical conversations Number one, how do we avoid the flagami situation? If you go to where the waste transfer is, I imagine, by flagami, by the park, any given day on 75th Avenue, is it, or 72, there are 10 trucks backed up just sitting on the street waiting to go in. You can imagine it smells wonderful. So I'm like, okay, how are we proposing to deal with that? If we've got all this trash, supposedly like 10, I'm going to make up a number, 10 times the trash that we could give you flowing in there every day, the smell is going to be horrible. So I was like, what do we do with that? And then you said you needed four acres. How much space do we have?

A little less, yeah.

If you need four acres, and we have three and we're using some of it, how is that supposed to work?

I need four acres with, it's enough space for the 1,200 tons per day. But we can reduce it for 800 tons per day if we do have the enough space over there. Because the advantage that we have that location is the proximity to the rail. And that's the reason why we could use it. And according to the this kind of technology that don't produce a lot of it.

No, you don't produce the smell. The garbage coming to you produces the smell.

We are going to process it as soon as possible as we get it.

And luckily it's an industrial district, so it's not near the residential and programming.

Yes, but no, because they are building huge condos there.

Yes, they're building a live local life project there, yes.

It's huge. I don't know if any of you have been by there.

750 units. I'm very familiar with it, which is why I want to do something on the site sooner rather than later because I certainly don't want people complaining about a nuisance use when essentially the Live Local Act has allowed people to locate near nuisance by the home residents will be built in a heavy industrial district, right? So, you know, we can debate the wisdom of that provision of the bill at another time. Oh, bless you in advance.

Thanks a lot. OK, so those are my concerns. My concern is the space, the smell, and that is a heavily trafficked road. And when you've got trucks of that size backing up there, that's a huge concern. Thank you.

OK. Yeah, I'm going to get back to you with questions. I'm going to take my quick second. I apologize. Again, thank you for your interest, number one. We appreciate it. Number two, I think to me it's a very intriguing technology. For us, I think if I was wearing my entrepreneur hat, I'd say let's go all in because I think it speaks to my values. I don't want to I was talking with the other party. The idea of sending my way somewhere else doesn't sit personally well with me. But that said, we sit here as a fiduciary for a city. So sometimes we've got to err on being more conservative. So I think as you have a further conversation with our staff, about this opportunity, really important for us to understand the global market for the RSH, you know, is 120,000 tons 1%, 5%, 10% of the proven market today? Right, because that begins to help us determine what the validity of the economic model is.

Okay.

And then certainly understanding where your money to build a facility is going to come from, very important. And that you have agreements in place with TRI, which seems to be providing you the technology. And I guess Jenkins, which basically actually has the know-how to build the facility. Understanding where you are in your discussions with them, very important as well. I would also want to know what conversations, if any, you've had with CSX. about the use of their right-of-way to move this product and where that product, where the rail cars, I think you're envisioning being used to move the RSH out of the facility, where they're going to be stored, how they're going to be marshaled because there's only so much frontage we have But we have that access. There's only so much storage frontage that we have to kind of move product through. So those are my concerns. I think the right sizing of the facility is also an issue I'm hearing now, as you discussed it. We don't have four acres. We've got 3.1 to offer you. We have to relocate our facility to do that. We'd have to have a conversation with you about structuring a financial model that would help us relocate what we have there and replace it as we build the facility as well. And so those are all questions that I think we need to, I certainly need to have answered But I do think it's an intriguing proposition. I think the technology is intriguing. I would want to make sure that you have firm agreements with these two other parties that seem to provide you. You seem to have a great idea. It seems you've identified the need. It seems like this technology could be a solution. But I want to make sure that you are in privity with those people or in contract with those people who can actually deliver on the technical execution. And then you've got put contracts with buyers that are going to basically make sure that we've got an integrated solution, right? The waste is there. And again, I don't know that we should assume that's viable for us legally to bring other municipal waste to the site. Really, I want to understand what the commercial market is third party from your perspective. to bring third-party commercial waste to the facility because that's really where I think the lion's share of the revenue will come from anyways. And waste stream that's not encumbered by commitments to the county. So those are my thoughts. Commissioner Rodriguez, you wanted further questions?

So we could be to provide a complete document?

We'll have our staff follow up with you to have some further conversation. Got it.

No, the mayor asked, I thought, was an important question. I just wanted to elaborate a little bit. As you see on your presentation, you have trucks, but we also have the railway. Is the majority of hauling away the hydrogen, is that through the rail, or is that on trucks?

Yeah, for us, it would be the best option, the rail.

Through the rail, OK. All right, that was it.

Commissioner Gai, you want to close us out on this presentation?

I think a lot of the questions that we ask is if you can provide the business case model. It's a whole process. A lot of us have backgrounds in startups and big companies like this, and we just really want to understand all the details, especially if you're going to be our partner moving over for the next 20 years. It's really important that we understand the whole business model. Yeah, I'm going to do it.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, guys, for the time.

Thank you.

Okay, I think next up, Darren Rizzo for UDP, please. Thank you.

Hi, good evening. Darren Rizzo, 425 Eagle Rock Avenue, Roseland, New Jersey. Thank you again for taking the time tonight to listen. I'm CEO of Unified Disposal Partners. UDP. Let's see. I'm not good with these things. We'll give it a whirl. There we go. So Unified Disposal Partners is an operating business today. We operate four transfer stations, similar to what we're talking about here in South Miami. We have 10 collection yards throughout Tennessee and Kentucky. And we own a rail served landfill in southern Alabama. It's a large site. We'll talk about it, I guess, as we get further in. The company is run by myself, my brother. We put it together, as well as a very, very experienced management team. My brother and I combined have 70 years of experience operating in this industry. And we're backed by BTG Paxuel Global Alternatives. They control $11.5 billion of assets under management. So we're well-funded. If you look at what we've done in the past, how it's relevant here, we had Apex Landfill. We started it as a green field and built the landfill there. It was processing 2.5 million tons approximately a year, mainly by rail. We were using Norfolk Southern and CSX. You guys have CSX down here. So we have a longstanding relationship with CSX. That landfill also put a renewable energy project on it. We recaptured the gas from the landfill, which we will eventually do with this landfill in southern Alabama. So there will be a renewable energy component to the project. Let's see. After that project, we had Evergreen Environmental Partners and Arrow Disposal down in Alabama and Mississippi. We had over 60 government contracts there. We never defaulted on any of them. We operated about three transfer stations for different municipalities, as well as we owned one of our own transfer stations down there, as well as a landfill that was truck served. Let's see. And the benefits of the project we see for South Miami If you have that property, it's rail served. We could put that site on there. Besides the rent and a royalty, which we have proposed in our lease, that would equate to approximately $80 million over the life of the lease. That lease, we believe, would be bankable because it is with a company that has substantial assets throughout the region and an operating history. We'd create approximately 20 jobs locally. We would have an alternative outlet, a competitive outlet for local businesses to dump, where it doesn't always have to even be, like you said, municipalities or these big public companies. It could be the clean-out guys. It could be the small haulers in the market, which would pass on, hopefully, savings to your local businesses throughout your area. We think having your own transfer station would support the Florida Growth Management Act, showing that you have resources to handle your own solid waste, if necessary. We don't require any public capital from you or any debt financing. We may choose to put financing on, but at this, we do not require debt financing. We have full equity backing.

Taryn, before you move on from the side, so your numbers assume 750 tons.

Yeah, that would be at about 750 ton per day. But notice the royalty is the smaller component. The majority of that $80 million is coming from rent, a guaranteed rent payment.

Based on the size of our property, what would you say could be the maximum throughput tonnage on a facility located on our property?

I think we could do about 1,250 ton per day on that facility. That's the range. OK. Yep, that's the range. Addressing one of the questions you brought up, that would all be moving out by rail. So at least we would eliminate one side of the truck traffic. You would still have the inbound trucks, but you wouldn't have the outbound trucks. So that would still reduce a large portion of that truck traffic that you see there. And as well as addressing odors, a lot of odors come from just the amount of time it takes you to move the waste. As long as we keep the floor clean, which is how we operate now. We don't have odor complaints at any of our sites or any issues with any of the local municipalities at any of our sites. Let's see. The other advantage we think it would have is we could have a section dedicated for emergency storm debris. Unfortunately, with the bad weather storms that come through South Miami, there are times when we do need relief, right? So we think that we could put a little processing center over there and keep a grinder there. And if there is a storm cleanup, try to quickly process some of that waste and move it out for you. But at least you would have another dedicated outlet for storm relief. The landfill itself that we have, like I said, it's in southern Alabama. It will eventually have a renewable energy project on site. We'll recapture the gas, process it, and inject it into the high BTU line. Right now, without any expansions, it has just under 30 million cubic yards of air space available, so way more than we need for this project. The site is 570 acres, and we're only on 270 with that permit of 30 million cubic yards. So we do believe it would be expandable. We're permitted to take 7,500 tons per day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. So again, way more permits than what we need to handle any of this. We have almost an 80-acre rail yard at the landfill, so way more than what we'd need to handle this. We have been in talks with CSX. We actually leased the main line that comes into our landfill from CSX. So they're well aware of the projects we're working on. We have been discussing these projects with CSX all along. And that's really the overview. I tried to give you the three-minute version.

Thank you very much for that. We appreciate it. Let's go left to right this time. Commissioner Bonita, any questions?

No, he already answered the questions I had. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Mr. Vice Mayor.

Is there any way you could break down? I know you had the 80-year picture, but like the annual financial picture of the benefits to the city?

Yes, certainly. I'll have that sent in. I'll probably have it for you emailed in tomorrow.

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Sure.

Commissioner Rodriguez?

Thank you for the presentation. Very detailed and very organized and a lot of backing and experience, so that helps. I'm sorry, I didn't know if you had it there, but what's the lease life that you're looking for?

The lease that I believe we discussed was 20 years up front and then three 10-year extensions.

Okay. Sorry, I didn't know that.

It wasn't the presentation, so you should know.

Okay. The rail, is it daily, weekly?

Daily.

Just one a day or multiple a day?

Be one a day.

One a day. And in your landfill in Alabama, what do you guys do with the waste? It's just standard landfill where...

It's a subtitle D, which means it's fully lined. Everything is completely encapsulated. The surrounding area has monitoring wells to ensure nothing leaks from the landfill. And then it is buried where it does decompose. It'll create methane gas, which will recapture as renewable energy and put that into the power grid.

Okay. Thank you again.

Sure. And we've done that in the past as well. That's not something.

Commissioner Kaya, you're recognized.

Yeah, what Francois was saying there was we do have like a partnership, so to speak, with the city of Brundage and the county, the host county there. So just so you know that we're supported by the local government there. This would not be something that would be adverse to the local community either.

Can you talk a little bit about your transfer stations up in Tennessee? What waste, just name one of them, roughly what the cost is per ton on acquiring and transporting and then dumping it on the site in Alabama?

Sure. Yeah, so all of our stations handle municipal solid waste and construction and demolition debris. So we do deal with both products. We do other things.

So the municipals are picking it up and putting it into a transfer station, right?

Yeah, and some its municipalities are dumping there We do have contracts with with municipalities that do dump at our transfers as well as we have our own collection vehicles as well That dump there as well as third-party haulers don't care. So we have a mix of everybody there So you could say, you know I don't want to get all the way into the secret sauce, but I guess what we're charging like a local municipality up there or what it actually costs us to operate?

No, what you're charging is fine. I don't need to know your secret sauce. It's fine.

In the mid-60s.

And this is all type of waste.

Yes. Municipal construction, like no medical, no biosolids. I'm sorry.

Strictly municipal.

Just wanted to be on the record there.

I mean, we've seen this before. And a lot of the questions, we know what to ask. I don't have too many questions. I think, to me, is, again, on the building of the transfer station, what does the investment look like? You know, we've been through this road a little bit already, so we're pretty well-versed. I mean, this is your first one, but...

It'll depend on some of the feedback from Florida Department of Environmental Protection, but you're going to assume it's going to be somewhere around a $10 million build, maybe a little more.

And that'll be subsidized with you guys through our lease?

Yes. We're not relying on debt for that. We can do that with that money.

And the split again was revenue split that you're proposing?

We have a fixed lease of $52,500 per month and $1 per ton.

Okay.

And the $52,500 is guaranteed whether we're doing any volume or not doing any volume. That's per month, right? Yes. Okay.

And you said $1 per ton?

Yes.

Okay. Thank you so much. Sure.

Darren, my question's pretty simple. I think most have been covered, but I think if you could just... Touch upon two points. One is, obviously you've got experience permitting this facility, so what would be your expectation, assuming we sign the lease tomorrow, in terms of a permitting timeline for this kind of a facility, the build, so we could actually get a sense of when we would be starting to jointly cash flow?

Sure. You know, I don't want to speak for Florida DEP, and I certainly want them to get mad that I'm trying to timeline it.

I live in the world of permitting. It's not going to hold you to it. I just want to get a sense of what you realistically would expect.

Yeah, I would expect us to be permitted in 18 months, and then we'll go right into construction from there. It's not a fancy construction build. It's a concrete floor, concrete push walls, and then a sheet metal building, obviously one that you guys approve. It would be state of the art.

We would not be approving it. It would be the county. So we'd be working with our partner there as well. Yeah. It's a six-month bill then? Yeah. Okay, so 24 months roughly, soup to nuts.

That's what I would think. I would think you'd be 24 to 30 months on the high side and we should be fully operational.

And then if I could just ask, you mentioned something that's of interest to me. You'd said, again, BTG Pact will global alternatives as your financial backer. Yes. Can you share the range of their capital investment in your company?

I could tell you that they generally, I'd say, I believe the way they say it, because I want to be cautious on the record, is their average check size is like $250 to $300 million in an investment.

Okay. Again, I think that speaks to your ability to proceed quickly.

Oh, yeah, and I have not even taken a fraction.

So then, yeah, I'm sure their balance sheet's a lot bigger than that.

Yeah, they have $11.5 billion of assets under management today.

So potentially we'd have recourse to a company that's actually, you said you have $100 million of operating revenues today? I thought that you said at one point.

Uh, we're, we're coming towards it. Yes.

Okay. So you've got your, it's a going concern. We'd be contracting with not. Yes. A new builder. Okay. And then I guess you said the, the lease could be bankable. So can you, can you tease that out for myself and the benefit of the board, but I can't represent that it would be bankable.

I can say that I believe it would be bankable because of the sponsor. Yeah, and this is an operating entity behind it, right? We have assets, and if we didn't pay the rent, there would certainly be recourse.

So potentially you're saying we could, if your projected gross revenue is over 50 years, with all the extensions, it's $80 million, we could try to borrow against this lease to address any other issues or needs that we have?

Yeah, we were going to put a DCF in the model that you've asked for. It shows you annual revenue, and we can put some sensitivity to it as well as discounted cash forecast there. Okay. Let's see what you can put in.

Yeah, I'd love to see a model, and if you could make some assumptions about, you know, how quickly, so we're not going to get to 750 tons the first month, are we going to grow the business so we can understand how that number grows over time? Obviously, we've got the minimum floor with the lease, but I would like to see how our revenues would grow.

Yeah, and the amount of commercial waste, even if we just say go out to the county, we even look at the small haulers, your junk men, your cleanup men. I think you could get to like 500 ton a day very, very, very quickly just to come right out of the box.

Certainly, I'd love to see us get to the $1,250, right?

And our feedstock, you know, one thing, because it is traditional transfer, it doesn't matter if it's construction demolition or yard waste or MSW. It's just in goes out via rail, and that's it.

Any further questions? Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Appreciate everybody. Colleagues, any other questions or direction you want to give to the manager and his team? Nope. Just looking.

Aren't they just, they're gathering the information to give to all of us, I imagine.

Do we want them to, I mean, do we want them to vet both options, one option? Is there, what's your, is there, is there any reticence about pursuing or exploring both?

I don't have any reticence about exploring both. They're very different.

They are very different. Okay.

I agree with Commissioner Bonnich. Okay. I would ask that we can maybe get like a sample understanding of what the terms would be. A quick one-sheeter, just so we're all on the same page. And then from...

I think we have those now because I do... I didn't have that. It just came in today. That's why. So that I believe that both UDP and now Insoftel have given us kind of an outline of what the basic economic terms of their deal are. But I think a lot of the questions that you asked have not been as of yet vetted. So we certainly want staff to delve into those.

Yeah, Mayor, I think it's really important that from Insoftel, right? Did I say it right? Insoftel, yeah. Insoftel? Yeah. That we really get a business like, you know, give me a really a deck a business model so i can fully understand it i mean i would really love to see that i don't know if you're giving that to the city manager or the clerk but just get our information just send it out to us i think let's do it through the manager and then he can distribute it okay okay thank you all for your time we appreciate it let's move on then um

Colleagues, can we get a motion to approve the minutes of June 9th, 2026? You want them deferred? Yes, please. Okay, show that item as deferred. Mr. Manager, I think you're giving the report tonight?

Yes, sir. Thank you. Just a couple things. There were, in the area of capital projects, there were some turf improvements over at Murray Park, and that's been finished now, and certainly also A little bit of a repair, South Miami Park, natural sod restoration had some issues there on the south side. The type of grass there and turf was changed to have something that was a little bit more tolerant, and so that's completed. A huge pavilion, some invasive removal to continue to help with the visibility towards the lake there, and certainly the pavilion itself was painted. Announcement on youth football and cheer. Away games begin August 14th, and the first weekend is August 28th for a home game. After school program, registrations are open for that. That program runs from August 13th through June 3rd. And again, that's serving students in kindergarten through sixth grade. On the event calendar, we have Back to School Splash Bash, Saturday, August 1st, 1230 to 230 at the Gilson Bethel Community Center. And then I just want to report on the electronics recycling event that was held June 13th. There was 993 pounds of electronics recycled in comparison to the last time that it was done in 2024. was 342, so 993, so more than doubled. And then, certainly, Taste of Somi, which is a big collaboration with our Somi district community, 41 partners in different sectors participating, and that runs through the end of July. And that's the manager's report, and certainly answer any questions you may have.

Commissioner Kaya, you're recognized for questions. Thank you, Mr.

Manager. From the Grey Ghost and the cheerleaders, are we marketing that in our social media and content, blasting that on their behalf to get a little bit more people understanding about our program in Palmer Park?

Well, if it's not planned, we will.

All right, thank you. Secondly, are we changing the grass model on the south side of South Miami Park? I know it's done, but what did we do differently?

It changes the type of turf to the St. Augustine turf that's more shade resilient. And so I think that was the recommendation that we were given.

And lastly, you did a taste of some. Anyone you recommend? Any good ones that you've been to? So we can let everybody know?

You can have a free beer with a sandwich at La Traila. I did that this past weekend.

I did that today, by the way. I would say testimonial. Testimonial. I would say Secreto. Secreto's great, yeah. Secreto does a glass of wine, an appetizer, a meal, and a dessert for 36 bucks.

And it's very generous. And it's very good. Yeah, I did that one, too.

They also have one for dinner. Yeah. That's the lunch one. And dinner, they also have one. Yeah. So I recommend it.

It was great.

I got to get my chocolate fixed before it's over. You know what?

Something having, like, really, yes, restaurant, no taste of somi. You know, Kitchen 57 has bingo on Wednesday.

No, there we go.

Tomorrow night, I'll see you there. I know, there you go.

Just before we move on, anyone have questions on the manager's report? No? Before we move on, Mr. Manager, if it's okay, I'd like to just, I know we had an announcement about a staff member moving on to greener pastures here in short order, and so I just wanted to have you put in the record. You're talking about me? Oh, no. No, not you. We're lucky. We're lucky. I mean, unless you've got something, some breaking news. You're going to ruin my otherwise good mood.

No, I'm jumping into hydrocarbons. You're technically under contract?

Exactly.

You're technically under contract?

I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BRANDON, I KNOW, HAS TAKEN A POSITION IN ANOTHER NOT AS GOOD OF A WORKPLACE AS CITY OF SOUTH MIAMI, BUT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM. SO HE'S GOING TO BE MOVING ON TO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE MAKING REFLECTION TO. SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US. WE CERTAINLY THANK BRANDON FOR all his work being the first person that filled that position when we created it. And certainly we've stood up the program in many ways. So thank you for him doing that.

Yeah, I just wanted to, and I'll recognize you next, I just wanted to thank Brandon on the records. I had a film session this morning with the GMCVB, and if I didn't appreciate it before, certainly it became very evident, the foundation you've laid today, because it was great to have a conversation about you've got B-footage, you know, B-roll on this and that, and you've got a whole inventory of product that we can share with third parties to market the city and put us in a very nice light and It's, you know, the whole team that kind of kicked off this program was exceptional. It's great to see you all move on to bigger and better opportunities. We're excited about it. My only request to Brandon, Mr. Manager, was that he has to refer to us an equally talented young person. who can kind of step into those shoes and help carry the baton forward. So, again, thank you for your service, Brandon. It's been fun working with you.

If it has to be young, then I'm out. I can't apply.

No, no, yeah. We're both too old. So, Commissioner Kaya, you're recognized.

Brandy, I know I always talk to you. You've done a phenomenal job. It's really like a startup, right? Getting a product straight from zero, what you've done with our Facebook organizations, our marketing, and what you've learned to start doing from a digital perspective, from video, from photography. you've done a great job thank you for everything that you've done for the city um i'm glad that you got the position and i think that the next person that's coming in has a very good setting and understanding of what they can do so thank you for that i really do appreciate you and i appreciate everything you did for us And on a second note, Mayor, I know he's here too. So Marcus, 20 years with the city.

Oh, really? Congrats, Marcus.

I know Wendy, we usually do a thing, but Marcus Lightfoot is 20 years with the city of South Miami. That's something to be special about. And by the way, 20 years is 20 years. So thank you for a lot of things that you do. And I really appreciate it.

Some of those were dog years, I'm sure. So thank you, Marcus.

He was in pre-K when this started.

Exactly, exactly.

Okay, moving on. Let's get the city attorney's report. I'm sorry.

Go Brandon.

Okay. Sorry, anybody else? That was the whole point of mentioning that he was going on. We won't have another meeting before he's gone, but we expect to celebrate his future success. Let's do it. We do have a taste of Somi conclusion party, correct? Marcus.

Marcus.

We'll take a selfie. That'd be very appropriate. We do have a Taste of Somi wrap party, so I think maybe we can celebrate with Brandon his departure then. That's your problem.

So, if I may, Mayor?

Yes, sir, you're right.

Because you're right. This is going to be the last meet. I didn't really catch that, so I guess I'll... But now you want to speak. I was going to do it more in private, but I remember... Yeah, he's gone. I'm leaving next week. But hey, Brandon, thank you for... Even though I've only been here for a little over a year and a half, it's been a great experience learning what you've done with... just with the social media from the instagram going from what a thousand to twelve thousand followers um you know what you did with the website i mean what you do with us every time that we have a commissioner's corner the mayor has something or any of us and and and promoting you know recently we did the one for the affordable housing which was great um i think whoever follows you uh has some big shoes to fill so congrats man and i wish you all the best And and and good luck being a father my friend. Yes.

Yeah, that's the biggest news But no we're in the same field so I've always appreciated him so much I mean just four years ago was the first time we as a city sent out Newsletters and to come from from where we are then to where we are now is incredible redoing a municipal website is done the easy thing I think you you know Did an amazing job there, amazing job on social, amazing job on just, you know, really doing the kind of outreach and media that you've done for the city. So thank you.

Excellent. Okay, so selfie time?

Yeah, come on, Brent. Oh, my goodness.

Marcus, go ahead.

Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 11 years ago.

Brandon, you better check the camera before the meeting's over just to make sure we got a picture that's usable.

It looked like we were getting our knees and our feet only. It's going to be the best picture you've ever seen. He's like blurry.

State that for the record, please.

We're going to consolidate Brandon's job in Alfredo, so we're going to expand his portfolio. Okay, moving on to the city attorney's report. Madam city attorney, good evening. Good evening.

Mayor, I don't have anything formal to report today. We are going to be going over the Turner Amendment questions later, so- Good to attend then.

Thank you. Okay.

I have a question for the attorney. Yes. Do we have an update? When you say Turner, that's not, what was that?

She mentioned she doesn't have anything formal to report, but we're going to go over the charter amendment items later in the meeting.

My question to you is, do we have an update roughly on how the term sheets and the lease is going with 13th floor?

I know that there was a meeting earlier this week. I don't have an update, but I can work on that well.

The information provided by Mr. Ruscio at the meeting was that we are targeting, I think, the August, the last meeting in August to bring the lease forward for our consideration. So that's the current timeline as last reported.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, you're welcome. OK, let's move on. I'm going to skip the discussion items for the moment and just take up the consent agenda. Anyone have any questions regarding items 1, 2, 3, or 4 that you want to pull for discussion? No. 1, 2, 3, or 4. Item 1 is the, again, appropriation of the first $50,000 in art and public places money provided by Vue Church. Item 2 is the grant of the easement at South Miami Park to Miami-Dade Water and Sewer. Number three is the interlocal agreement with Miami-Dade County on the Office of Film for film permitting. And the last is a resolution to purchase, install, and use stage structure at Vice Mayor Bob Walsh Park. Okay. No, that's not on the consent agenda. So, Madam Clerk, if you can read items one, two, three, and four, and then I'll entertain a motion to adopt all four items.

Yes. Item 1, a resolution of the Mayor's City Commission of the City of South Hanford approving a budget transfer in amount of $50,000 from the Art and Public Places Fund to appropriate funds received from Boo Church, Inc. for the Marshall Winston Scholarship Program, youth programming, and senior programming, authorizing the city manager to take all action necessary to implement the budget transfer. Item 2, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of South Miami, Florida, approving a revised grant of easement to Miami-Dade County Water and Sewer Department for a sedentary sewer facility located at South Miami Park, authorizing the city manager to execute the revised grant of easement. Item 3, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of South Miami, Florida, approving a multi-year interlocal agreement with the Miami-Dade County Office of Film and Entertainment to issue permits to film and still photography companies, allowing them to utilize city facilities and services as authorized by the city. Item 4, a resolution of the Mayor's City Commission, the city of South Mary Florida, approving the purchase of a new shade structure and related installation service for the playground at Viceman World park in a amount not to exceed $78,555, utilizing terms and conditions of the competitively bid Allotrum County Public Schools District IFB number 24-13, authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute in agreement with the vendor relating to the same.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there a motion to adopt items 1, 2, 3, and 4? I'll move the motion. Is there a second? We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Yes. Commissioner Cagan? Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez? Yes. Commissioner Buenis? Yep. Vice Mayor Corey? Yes. Mayor Fernandez? Yes. And St. Pat's 5-0.

Thank you very much. OK. I've been informed we have someone here on discussion item M1. So without objection, I'm going to call up that item. which is a pedestrian bridge design conceptual discussion that I ask be put on the agenda. Mr. Mayor, do you want to kind of give us a lead in, and then we can recognize Mr. Munoz, or how do you want to proceed?

Yeah, Mayor, certainly. I think as a result of the conversation regarding some grant opportunities, the bridge opportunity came back up. That grant opportunity was to fund studies. And through a conversation with yourself, you had talked about, well, maybe it's something we should revisit and consider, and that the commission should weigh in on the conversation. We have tried to put together some information. Given its history, I will remind All of you that I think, so I got here January 23, one of the first orders of business was this commission putting a stop on the bridge. I think for two reasons primarily, and if I can remember, one was there was really no money allocated towards the construction of it. And two, I think there was a desire to try and look at great solutions and try and leverage that. And so what we put together in short order, and certainly Mr. Adrian Alonzo from the firm that was involved then got bought out by a bigger firm. And yesterday we had a virtual meeting and he was so gracious to come in case he can fill in some blanks. So what you have before you is some of the images of the design that had been done. This pedestrian bridge was 90% in construction drawings at the time. The landing spot basically was in front of Akashi, and that spot really took the real estate of the roadway, which then would prevent the ability to how you now are able to come out in front of Akashi and make a right-hand turn and then head north. Then you had the landing spot on the now underlying site and that was even a consideration then, but obviously it wasn't built. I'm just teeing up a little bit about what was done at the time. This was also supported by a previous analysis of locations. We dug that up and we shared that report with you about three locations that have been looked at as possible landing spots for this pedestrian bridge. The commission at the time selected this particular location. And so Mr. Munoz has done some research. Certainly, Mr. Alonso is here. And we'd be happy to just share and answer some questions that you may have if it's something that you may want to consider. I will say, obviously, that we have the issue of the underline now that it's built and that landing spot. We have things that were done to support the bridge that we have to check and see if those can be repurposed and used again, or those analysis surveys and what other studies were done would have to be redone or not. So there would be a lot of things that they need to look into to see what can be repurposed to further this concept. So happy to have, in whatever manner you want to engage in the conversation, have Mr. Muñoz and Mr. Alonso participate in that.

So Mr. Manager, again, just to build on what you said, the only reason I, I had been approached by our very intrepid grants manager about the fact that there was some planning money and possibly some capital money out there for us to revisit this connector. We had, I think four of the five of us will recall when we got here very early, Quickly put the kibosh on a few projects, one being the police station and this project, both of which we spent some of the order of $450,000 to $500,000 designing without a plan to finance it. The only reason I thought it was timely to possibly revisit the conversation is that we are, I think as of last Tuesday, we have a final understanding on the terms of the interlocal agreement for the CRA. And you'll recall that one of the items there is an allocation of about $28 million present value for transportation-related improvements. I just want to get a sense of whether that's This is an improvement that we want to see potentially financed out of that transportation allocation. That was my motivation for bringing it forward so that, you know, rather than have staff chase a grant for further study and analysis about the feasibility of this, whether there was an appetite on our part to kind of revisit, you know, this improvement. As the manager said, there are some challenges that exist now in terms of co-location at this location, or not co-location, but siting the bridge at this location given the advancement of the underline. This execution also would remove the slip lane for westbound traffic onto US 1 on the subject street and basically make this an eastbound only movement. You know, functionally, I'm not sure how that works enough. It's something we would have to analyze. But that's how it was designed before. So just wanted to put it in front of us for a quick conversation. Mr. Munoz has spent a lot of time digging into this. We do have, sorry, Adrian, what's your first name? Alfonso, Mr. Alfonso here as well, who can kind of, you know, answer any quick questions you all may have regarding the possibilities. So with that, I'll turn it over to you all for questions. Yes, sir. You're recognized.

So I guess being the youngest one here, I've never seen this. So I love it personally. I love it. I love the fact that you have advertising on it. So So Many Second Saturdays, our art festival, a lot of the things that we... do in the city, we can advertise it. And what better place to advertise than on US 1? My question is, do we know, since we're at 90% drawings, roughly, do we know what it would take to complete the drawings?

Their CHM, you know, I mean, they would have to do a little bit more work in fairness to them. I think they gave us sort of like really.

What was the unspent amount on the prior contract, Mr. Manager?

So there was about $100,000 left that was not spent on that. So roughly the $400,000 and change that you said. So there's about $100,000 that was not spent on that that had been approved. And I think that they said maybe it would take an order of magnitude of $200,000. I think it was what was shared with us. But in fairness to them, this is a conversation we had yesterday. And they need to go back and really do a deep dive. Alex, if any of that that I said is kind of not in line with what we discussed, please jump in.

Yeah.

Now, I say that, but with a full disclaimer that there are a lot of things that supported those construction drawings that, you know, whether they can still be used or repurposed or, you know, that's part of the due diligence process.

Yeah, they would have to bring it to today's code, basically.

No, beyond that, I think it's also the execution of the landing on the west or north side. I mean, it's now in conflict with an existing improvement. So if you want to address that, Mr. Alfonso, we'd appreciate it.

Good evening, everyone. So Adrian Alfonso with CHA Consulting with our nearest office in Doral. So regarding the underline landing, before we already took into consideration the underline. because it was being planned, and we had done that coordination in the past. We were in the middle of that, and then now, since the underline is constructed, we would just need to revisit that coordination again with the county and the partners of the underline to make that work. So that's where that coordination would be. A lot will have to get revisited.

Do you have an order magnitude cost on what it would cost

Take to build this assuming we got through the design phase to to build that I have to revisit the SMS But I think we were like around the five million Range, okay, right?

Yeah, the original has been for this particular crossing was 5.4.

Okay, that's in but that was in 2021 dollars, okay, the study was done in 2019 So and their design was done in 21

Okay, so... Yeah, so our design got to 2023 when it was stopped.

Okay, my construction guys to my right say add 30% to that, so let's just say it's $7 million. Okay, okay. So, and then do we have one, have you guys discussed or looked into what the utilization is of the bridge that was supposed to be the South Miami bridge that's now at the University of Miami station? What's the utilization there today? Do we have any sense of that?

You're talking about the current bridge? Yes, the current bridge.

Again, I'm just curious and what makes less sense to me about this is certainly we want to get people across US 1, but the main goal is to get them into the transit station. We know Miami-Dade County is very particular about things touching or going over the guideway and touching their platforms. So that might not be feasible, but I'm just curious to seeing what number of people at that other location where you don't have any accurate costings in close proximity. That are accessible because all that section is fenced in. How many people are actually using the bridge today? Because our condition is slightly different. There are multiple accurate crossings that one could use as an alternative to this improvement. So I'm just trying to make sure. Well, I think now we should have a conversation about it because we do have possibly the ability to finance it. through a CRA, I still want to understand the relative return on that investment in terms of utilization. So I know if Mr. Manager can get some more information about that, that would be helpful.

The crossing you're speaking of, obviously we have not looked at that. However, I believe our company can provide services to give you numbers on that, like updated numbers. So if that is of interest, you can reach back out to us.

Thank you. Yes, please. Go ahead.

I personally don't see any difference from when we originally looked at this till now, except that we find ourselves in a more precarious position cash-wise than we did when we decided that this was not worth our money. More than that, I think we find ourselves, just like I said when we were talking about, and I know it's not safe streets, but it was that study where people are getting hurt on county and state roads, and they're looking to us to pay for it. US 1 is not our road yet. We're being looked at to fix or fund or find a way to fund a bridge that is crossing a street that is not ours. So I ask myself, in a city the size of ours, with a budget the size of ours, and a populace the size of ours, Why on earth would we undertake something like this that has relatively small benefit to us? Because you did just mention there are various ways to cross US-1. My husband can attest he crosses it probably more than once a day.

Probably more than all of us.

Exactly. More than all of us probably combined. And he doesn't ever have a problem. Again, to fork out even $200,000 to figure out, hey, what's the bridge going to cost us today, I think is highly irresponsible considering everything that we are possibly facing and the changes we want to make to our own city as a whole. Why on earth would I even spend $2 trying to figure out a bridge for someone else? It doesn't make any sense for me.

Understood. Sir, any thoughts?

Um, yeah. So obviously I was part of the commission even while some of these studies were being approved and eventually when we decided not to do it, I think now I've kind of come to the conclusion that I think a lot of the positives of this can be accomplished for less money in different ways. If we're looking for much nicer signage or to potentially pacify US 1 if we can, not that the road belongs to us, but different ways of doing that, that might be better money spent and less of a risk on our part to be able to do it, beautify it, pacify it, come up with signage that can help us, things like that. I think it can be done in other ways.

I think that there's three major crossings, Sunset, 57th Avenue, and then 70th Street. So I see more and more usage model of people crossing the street. I don't know if the idea is that we want people to cross from one side to the other. I think people are going to cross, especially all the residents that we have coming in on the other side, on the west side of US 1. They're not going to want to go up and across when we have three easy intersections that are working. I think they would rather wait to 20 seconds, let the light turn the crossover, and then go all the way upstairs, go all the way across, and then come back down. Where I think I agree with you, Commissioner Bonich, is that this would be something very useful if it was a direct connection from the metro station to a major structure like Sunset Place. But that doesn't really involve us. So CRA with the county and figure out how they can go get that done, that's an opportunity that we can help with. But I mean, look, it looks great. It looks good in this picture. I just, it depends. I'm very skeptical about the usage model. I don't think that necessarily the usage model on the Fridays bridge is going to do the old Fridays. I think it's going to get a lot more usage with all the new model that's coming there with the new student housing. But that's two buildings.

We have a lot more. And I think the difference is, unlike our condition, there are no immediately accessible, accurate crossings there because they've basically fenced in that whole perimeter. So I share your skepticism. Again, I wanted to bring it back because Again, we had this grant opportunity. We've done a large portion of the design. There is a back end piece to help us finance it. I'm not saying we have to pay for all of it, but we do have a way now to find a path to doing it. Before we had none. I think it is a substantial amount of capital that's dedicated to it. my biggest concern has always been if we spent it would it get used and i'm you know that that question would be something i would want answered before i wanted to spend any money anything else whether it's designed or what i really understand what the utilization model would be given the conditions here um but i share your skepticism quite honestly so yes sir i had another question for you you would know more than i would um is this something the grant or anything that we can provide to like the third party uh uh

Midtown developers to figure out if they can use that grant. If we have a lot of the infrastructure, maybe we can connect them with them. They can get the grant and figure out if that's something that they want to go work on.

One of the alternatives had the connection landing at the entire Kingdom site, right? Yeah.

if you're looking at what they're doing, an at-grade crossing that was an enhanced something pretty, whatever, that you were actually alluding to, I think would be, if they were considering anything, that would be better for them because if not, you're taking, the bridge is, if there is a bridge, the bridge draws your eye. So if you're a developer and you're building all of this thing, the last thing I think you want is a bridge.

The only thing that I would say about that is that if we're using a metro station and this is a destination that's going to be used a lot more. No, this one not. I'm not talking about this one specifically.

One of the options actually connected, had the landing on the east side, east and south side near the Tire Kingdom location. It's not the designed option. But the study did look at that as a location. I think to your point, to his point, that would probably serve that property better certainly than this location. Again, what I'm hearing generally is we don't think this is worth our time. And I just want to make sure that we had a group understanding. There are additional dollars that we could pursue. I don't want our team here pursuing grant dollars for something that we don't intend to execute. So my only point to bring this back was, hey, the only thing in my mind that has changed is we could choose to find a path to finance it now. It doesn't mean that we should or that we would want to, but there was the possibility through the series we did make a commitment to spend $28 million of that present value, future revenue on transportation related enhancements. This certainly fits within that bucket. So I think just quickly to wrap up the conversation, it seems like everyone's pretty much, again, the consensus is thumbs down on this. Yes? OK. I guess, Mr. Manager, if we can be a resource to a project sponsor that thinks this could be highly beneficial, we certainly want to support the advancement of that on their behalf. But I think the position of the board is this is not something we really want to invest our time, staff time, and energy behind right now. OK. Let's close and move on with that. And again, Mr. Alfonso, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you being a resource to us. Thank you. OK. Commissioner, do you want to just take item M2 while we're here?

Yep. It's actually super simple. When we were looking at all of the possible charter amendments a while back, we picked the ones that we thought were the best, and those are being put on the ballot. The rest, we have a list somewhere in the universe of, hey, things to consider for the future. I had forgotten all about this because my planning board person was there forever, but now she's stepped back. And I wanted to see if there's any interest from any of you to put onto that list of charter amendments for a future date of the possibility of having landowners, commercial landowners, be part of the planning board. They have significant stake in this city and are financial investees, just like all of the residents, most times more than most of our residents. And they have no voice on our planning board. And I don't think that that's the right way to do it. A lot of the stuff that gets discussed at the planning board also affects them. So I think that maybe we should consider as a future charter change making it either a resident or a land owner. We don't have to decide.

They are residents already.

I think she's asking us to consider a modification to the charter in the future that would allow for a non-elector because you have to be a voter. I think a resident elector to serve on the board. Look, I think it's a conversation we can have. I think the only thing I would say right now is I don't want to spend the time having a big discussion about it just because we really can't act on it right now. It's my understanding from city attorney that to kind of move the question forward, we'd have to have language.

No, no. And it's not something that we want to do. I'm not saying to do it now.

I think we should put it in the parking lot when we, you know, in a year or two, when we probably year out from the next general election, which would be, you know, in 2028. I think it's something that we could certainly consider and have a longer conversation about.

Somebody that is not me needs to remember this.

Okay.

I will never remember this after we have this conversation a year from now. It literally popped into my head because I had to replace my planning board member.

I think it's a conversation for some parking lot item for January of 2028. Can I leave some parting ways real quick, Mayor? I'm sorry.

Sure. I would just say maybe instead of doing that, we just remove it from the charter. Let it just be legislative. Let it be part of the code. Just get rid of it. And just put it in the code.

Again, all things I would say we can discuss.

Which is a smarter option?

I mean, both are options that were discussed at the Charter Review Committee meeting.

Oh, really? Yeah, they did.

Well, that was actually the proposal, to have at least one commercial property owner. Oye, and I thought I was being super smart.

Watch out, everybody.

Maybe it was Mandy, the one that- No, I doubt it, because when I said it to him, he was like- He heard it from you and said it there.

No, I wish. I wish I had that power.

But yes, this is the only board that is embedded in our charters. That was one of the discussions about possibly removing it.

OK. Removing it from the charter, not adding commercial people.

Correct.

Got you. OK. So maybe the discussion then to be had is removing it from our charter. That's actually a good idea. And having it managed by code so that it can be easier to manipulate. OK.

So, I mean, should we give direction to the clerk to, do we want to bring back, have her put a, I don't know what the right term is, but. Earmark. Yeah, earmark or a note on the calendar.

For January.

For January, have a discussion on January 2028 of the. 2027. 2028. Because again, we couldn't put it on the ballot. We couldn't put it on the ballot until, we wouldn't want to put it on the ballot until, because otherwise we're paying for the election.

Exactly.

Right, so I think they just let's start the conversation in January of 28, ahead of either the August or the November general. You can then remind us of that time frame, what the time frame we have to act within is. We can have a conversation of those three or four months and decide what we want to revisit and put on based on the last, the UNADDRESSED THE LIST OF CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DID NOT MOVE ON TO THE BALLOT. CORRECT.

THAT IS EXACTLY THE GOAL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

MR. MAYOR. YES, SIR. MY APOLOGIES. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO JUMP OUT OF ORDER AND TAKE NUMBER 7 SINCE WE HAVE OUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS? SURE. LET'S GO RIGHT AHEAD.

Item 7.

If you can read the record, please.

Item 7, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of South Miami, Florida, selecting and awarding a multi-year professional services agreement to Becker and Pauley, called PA for Federal Lobbying Services, authorizing the City Manager to negotiate to enter into a multi-year professional services agreement with the lobbying consultant in an amount not to exceed $40,000 annually for a three-year term.

Thank you. Mr. Manager, do you want to add anything or...

Mr. Mayor, I mean, obviously Mr. Omar Franco from Becker is online. He's in Washington. And you may be able to ask him about bridge funding. But this has been an ongoing relationship. And we needed to structure our agreement and provide for a multi-year agreement. So it's before you at an annual cost of $40,000. And so we appreciate the consideration. And he's certainly available to answer any questions.

Colleagues, any questions? If not, is there a motion? Mr. Frankel, I don't want to, just again, thank you for appearing. I don't think we have any questions for you at this time. We'll entertain a motion to adopt. I'll move it. We have a motion by Commissioner Bonnich.

I'll second it, and thank you, Mr. Blanco.

Okay.

Mr. Frankel.

Okay. We have a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Yes, Commissioner Kaye. Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh, it's a public hearing as well. I'm sorry.

Oh, it is a public hearing item. I'm sorry. If there is any member of the public who would like to address this body on item seven, which is the approval of the multi-year agreement with our federal lobbyist at Becker and Polyakov, please come forward at this time.

And there's no one online.

Seeing no one online and no one in the chamber, we'll close the public hearing again. We had a motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Kaye. I'll ask the clerk to call the roll again. Thank you.

Commissioner Kaye? Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez? Yes. Commissioner Bonich? Yes. Vice Mayor Corey? Yes. Mayor Fernandez? Yes. Item passes 5-2.

Mr. Franco, good job, and keep that money coming, sir. We appreciate your help.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Commissioners.

Okay. Let's take up Item 5, please.

Item 5, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of Southern New Florida approving a memorandum of understanding with Waste Management Inc. of Florida for a one-month green waste diversion pilot program, authorizing the city manager to finalize and execute the memorandum of understanding and expand funds for such purpose.

Okay, colleagues, any questions of Mr. Munoz, the manager on item five, please? None. Everyone understand the objective again here? Trying to test out alternatives to save money on waste disposition, kind of consistent with our earlier discussion. Mr. Vice Mayor, do you have any questions? No? Okay. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll on it. I need a motion to adopt item five, please.

It's a public hearing as well.

No, it's not.

Oh, no, I'm sorry.

No problem. I move the item. Okay, is there a second?

I'll second it.

I have a motion by Vice Mayor Corey, a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Yes, Commissioner Rodriguez? Yes. Commissioner Kaye? Yes. Commissioner Bobanich? Yes. Vice Mayor Corey? Yes. Mayor Fernandez? Yes. Item passes 5-0. Great.

Okay, let's take item 15, please. Item 15. 15.

In the ordinance of the Mayor's City Commission of the City of South New Fordham, amending Section 11-18, Municipal Collection Service Transition Period Establishment for Modification of Service Parameters of Chapter 11, Garbage and Trash of the Code of Ordinances to Provide for Eligible Large Multifamily Residential Properties to Continue to Receive City-Provided Domestic Garbage Collection Services.

Thank you. Mr. Manager, I think, sorry, my apologies. Madam Mayor, sorry. It's been a long day, folks. I apologize. Madam City Attorney, Madam City Attorney, you probably need a Madam Mayor so you can keep things in order here. Madam City Attorney, if you could just, we've discussed this before as we modified our policy regarding waste collection. We had two communities that were affected, the Banyans and Miller 57. And I think we were trying to find a path to continue to accommodate them as part of our residential waste program. So can you just walk us through the legal basis for doing this? I know we had some conversation before. There was some concern. about whether or not we could grandfather them. I just want to personally understand how we got into a position that we felt that this policy was defensible.

Sure. Mayor, happy to answer that. I'm just pulling up the ordinance because it does spell out the history. I know we've gone back and forth on this ordinance over the years. So where we've landed now after further operational and physical analysis from staff and to ensure that there's fairness and we're maintaining continuity of historical service patterns the city administration and you all today would be amending section 11-18 in the code to provide from the continued city provided garbage collection services to large multifamily residential properties and that exceed 20 residential units but have historically received continuous city-provided domestic garbage collection services since January 1st, 1979.

Okay, so basically, if they've been serviced from that date forward, we're saying we're going to continue to honor that policy determination, whatever the basis was. Correct. We think that that is legally defensible against any third parties who, properties who may otherwise want to be serviced by us because they've been just in continuous service since that period of time.

Yes, we do, and we can certainly confirm that on second reading as well in the ordinance. I know we wouldn't have put it forward on the first reading if it was not, so yes.

Mr. Manager and to you or Mr. Munoz, my only question is, again, this stays within the existing operational cost structure for solid waste residential program, or does it affect our cost structure in light of the other modifications we made to kind of go from four to 20 units, correct, was the threshold?

Yeah, Alex Munoz, Director of Public Works. So yes, the presentations that we did before showed that. And it does say, this one, we're already servicing them. So there's no change.

No, understood that we're doing it, but we also are now expanding the cohort of?

Up to 20.

Up to 20. Yes, up to 20. The aggregate of that, does it change our cost profile?

Are we doing it in the same way? There was two minor impacts that we absorbed. There wasn't an operational impact in terms of adding equipment or personnel. There was obviously a change in the tipping fee, because we would have to pay for those additional units. Some came out as well, so we did the math on that. But it was an additional, yeah, the additional tipping and the loss of franchise.

Okay.

But it was something we explained that we could absorb.

Okay, just wanted to make sure that I'm remembering.

No new staff and no new trucks.

Wanted to make sure I'm remembering correctly. Thank you. Okay. Colleagues, any further questions?

Can I make a comment? Please, you can. So I spoke to a resident today, and they're extremely happy with the situation. They had already gotten out of their contract and have been on a month-to-month, so they've been working on this. So they're extremely excited and said thank you both.

No, I'm happy for them. I will tell you that one of these communities, we've had calls recently, myself and staff, you know, because they are large communities, they're waste piles. are a particular nuisance for a lot of the abutting single family neighbors. And so again, I think we need to, I would like to revisit the conversation about, I feel like I'm trying to invoke Josh Lieben here in eliminating or modifying that service because we do see a lot of piling on, particularly for the larger communities on these major corridors where it's easy for people to come in and just dump their third party waste. Not related to them. It's just illegal dumping. Correct. One of the, there was a neighbor who was very happy that this was, that they were being pushed out of the program because their pile would essentially go away, right? So I just want to make sure that we, some of the, again, I'm not blaming the Banyans or Miller, you know, 57 per se for that dynamic, but I think it is just something, a byproduct of the fact the service exists. for a community of this size that a lot of stuff gets aggregated there. Some of which is from that neighborhood, some of which is from just people taking advantage of the fact that they can dump their waste there. Yes, sir.

Mayor, there's a secondary issue with those, we'll call them central community piles, which is if not illegal dumping but legitimate items were put on the pile but those are typically charged for, we don't know who to bill because any resident within that community could have put that. So that's been the dual issue that we face, right? The nuisance, attractive nuisance of the pile to illegal dumping, and then the inability to properly charge THE LEGAL DUMPING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE FOR. SO THOSE ARE CHALLENGES WITH THE CENTRAL, YOU KNOW, ONE PILE FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES.

I REMEMBER, AND MAYBE I'M REMEMBERING IT CORRECTLY, BUT I'M HOPING MY MEMORY ISN'T FAILING ME, THAT WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY RIGHT BEHIND 6-2, RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING SPROUTS, They literally reach out to us when they are going to trim their trees, and we pick it up. Other than that, I don't think we do regular big claw pickup there. So maybe that's something for us to consider on second reading, that those larger scale buildings don't have big trash pickup every week. because it is essentially those bigger communities that have this big trash problem. I've seen it. I think we've all seen it. I just happened to drive by both Banyan and Miller 67. So I see it more than most. I also think it's funny you say Josh Liebman. I also think we need to look again at how we manage that big garbage pickup because our city is never completely cleaned up and i don't think that it is beyond the realm of normality to say to somebody you are tuesday big trash pickup you can't have it out there you know more than 24 hours 48 hours whatever it is my gardener knows big trash pickup is on Tuesday. So when he's cutting stuff at my house, he is there on Monday.

The problem I would tell you, the complaints I get about are not about the green waste. It's about all the other stuff that goes onto the pile. You know, some of which is, you know, people have home-based businesses and they're dumping their business-related items into our pile. So we are, you know, we are, a lot of the cost is being externalized on us.

Yeah, but the only way that you can control that is by maybe controlling time frame?

I think it's, I think it's in all, I don't think time frame requires us to do enforcement. i would humbly tell you that's not our strong suit either no disrespect to our team here we don't have the resources to be out there uh in doing it as aggressively or maybe we do and we're just not doing it i don't know i don't want to make those you know categorical statements but it's not been our strong suit it's been a it's a problem um i think it doesn't it does not um particularly these gateways create a really nice aesthetic for people coming through the city I'd like just again going into the next budget cycle like for 2020 we had a million projects I know that Mr. Munoz has the lion's share of them so respectfully I think over the next and maybe we just want to hire a third party waste management consultant and say let's add that to the scope because quite honestly we haven't talked budget yet but one of my thoughts is we got $150,000 of surplus revenue I'm either going to give it back because we can't really do a lot with it, or we're going to figure out, is there a strategic priority we want to fund? hiring someone to study our current practice and come up with an alternative scheme where we basically are delivering a very high quality service, but on a very different, you know, kind of call as you need basis to your point. So that stuff isn't sitting in the right of way for a full week, right? Including the stuff that's not supposed to be there. The greenways can be there all week. It's the trash that can't be there. And so, you know, I think we need to get serious about putting some dollars to either study it or saying, you know, hey, maybe not this fiscal year, but next fiscal year, let's put this on the priorities list and let's figure out how we reimagine the system. Because I think I'm happy we're solving a problem for these folks, but there are some negative externalities associated with it that I think just create a very negative experience for other neighbors.

I agree.

We can do with the app, exactly. So with that, is there a motion to adopt item 15? I'll move it. Okay, is there a second? Second. Okay, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll.

Yes, Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. Yes. Commissioner Bonilla. Yep. Vice Mayor Corey. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passed, first reading.

All right, let's take up all the public hearing items we have left. Can you read item six, please?

Item 6, a resolution of the City Commission of the City of South Carolina, Florida, declaring as required by Section 200.065 for the statutes of the city's proposed millage rate rollback rate computed pursuant to Section 200-0.0651 for the statutes and a date, time, and place at which the first and second public budget hearing will be held to consider the proposed millage rate and a tentative budget for fiscal year 2026-2027. Directing the city manager and city clerk to transmit and file this resolution with the Miami-Dade County property appraiser.

Okay. Mr. Riverall, you're recognized please for presentation on this item.

Good evening, Mayor, Commission. As mentioned and provided in the workshop earlier this afternoon, what we're proposing is to hold the millage at the same level at 3.95. This will be advertised on the trim notice. There will be a two hearings and what that resolution is is presenting to All the people in the pond that are receiving our trim notice that our public hearings for a budget will be in September on the September 8th and 22nd at 5 o 1 p.m with that I've Given a lot of discussion earlier today on revenues and stuff so Questions room roll none

Okay, I just have one I apologize was not here earlier. It's attained on a work matter We've gone through the budget pretty exhaustively with the manager and I appreciate the all the work you guys have done on it thus far and Still got a ways to go before we adopt the final product But I think we are projecting, you know net surplus revenues like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars plus or minus a few bucks 129 so Again, for tonight, I'm going to support, I want to keep the millage flat, but going forward, if we're going to structure a budget to just kind of give that money back, essentially, how much would it impact the actual millage that was adopted finally?

We ran that calculation. It's less than a tenth. It's a half of a tenth of a point.

Okay, so we go from 395 to 39. Okay. Thank you.

It would be a little bit less.

It would be, I believe, like... 389 or... Right. Okay, that's fine. I just wanted to get a rough estimate of what it would be. Okay. Further questions?

Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes. Discussion. That's what you would want to do? That's your opinion on it?

I mean, look, the truth is we're, you know, projects, we have a lot of projects coming online and hopefully by fiscal year 29, right, fiscal year 28 will probably be pretty light on the number of new construction projects that will hit before the January 1 date. You guys all know what my priority has been. The manager knows it. I've been looking at hopefully creating capacity holding the millage rate, you know, flat so that we could give it back in the form of improvements. I mean, it's going slower than I honestly would hope. It's none of our fault. It's just, you know, we're, you know, market and actors take time to act. And there are also some other headwinds out there that are probably, you know, slowing down project starts. Again, like I said before, I'd like to find a way to, if we're going to keep that money, i'd like it to be for some sort of a strategic project that we can allocate those dollars to to accomplish something else whether it's you know financing a study to figure out how to reimagine a service or some other idea if not just throwing out there one thing we could do is certainly continue to nudge the millage down which certainly helps with some related conversations i know you and vice mayor corey are having on annexation because it pushes our number closer to the county's County's operating village those are my thoughts preliminarily just putting them out there since I didn't didn't get a chance to To share them during the budget workshop. I'm not a hard set a hard hard hard line.

I don't I think that one of the things that we spoke about is With the impending vote with tax reform That is really forcing our hand to return a mill rate, right? So our taxable revenues are actually going to decrease significantly, which is really a cost savings across the board to all our residents throughout the city. So reducing the mill rate was something that, just like you, that's something I really wanted to continue to work on, whether it was commercially or giving back in improvements, if it wasn't revenue itself. Yeah. But now, if the state forces our hand, then there's no real need, because we're going to need all hands on deck moving forward.

Look, I think I was very worried about this issue in January. Today, I'm pretty much happy to bet anyone that it's going to fail, because it's not going to hit the threshold. I just don't see why, as a political actor, if I spent a year in change talking about substantial property tax reform, why I would walk away from the issue. In the homestretch once I got out of the legislature to me makes no sense other than if the governor Israel thinks it must think must have calculated this is a politically losing issue and the easy Path is to scapegoat the legislature for not adopting his policy. That's how I read the tea leaves I'm not really worried about this cataclysm, right? I think Probably find ourselves we wake up on November was in November 3rd 4th OF THIS YEAR AND THE WORLD WILL BE AS IT EXISTS TODAY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WANTING TO KIND OF HOLD THE LINE. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A HUGE ISSUE FOR ME. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT WAS. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO WITH THAT, BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, YES, MA'AM.

I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT INVESTING THAT MONEY, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IT'S COMING FROM MY MOUTH. Vice Mayor Corey for a long time has talked about reforestation of our city. Our director, Surami, has really leaned into that. And I think we would do our city a disservice if we started to cannibalize those funds that could be used for something that quite literally will visually affect every single one of us. So I just put it there. We don't really need to talk about it, but just something to consider.

I think it's an excellent option. So would support it. Okay. Thank you. Do we have a motion on this item, Madam Clerk?

I'm not, and it's a public hearing.

It's a public hearing item. So there's a member of the public who'd like to address. This commission on item six, which is our setting of the proposed millage rate for fiscal year 2027. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, Madam Clerk. No. We will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion to adopt the millage as proposed by the administration? I'll move the motion. Is there a second? Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, with that, please call the roll.

Yes, Commissioner Kaya. Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. Yes. Commissioner Bonich. Yes. Vice Mayor Corey. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes 5-0.

Thank you. Let's read item 8, please.

Item 8, a resolution of the Mayor's City Commission of the City of South Florida calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 4 franchise of Article 6 general provisions of the city charter as presented in a ballot question relating to franchises included to the to find the term franchise to exclude leases, providing for requisite ballot language and charter amendment text for submission to the electorate, providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections for the special election.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's read items 9, 10, and 11, since they're all ballot questions, and we can just discuss them together.

Okay. Resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of South Miami, Florida, calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to Section 3 publication requirements of Article 6 general provisions of the city charter as presented in a ballot question to allow notice of proceed. Orders to be published as permitted by Florida law, including on public seat. accessible website, providing for requisite valid language and charter amendment text for submission to the electorate, providing for the city clerk to utilize the service of the Miami-Dade County supervisor of elections for the special election. Item 10, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Bend, Florida, calling a special election to be held on November 3, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 5, powers and duties, article 3, city manager of the city charter as presented in the ballot question to require that city purchases be approved in accordance with purchasing policies adopted by the city commission, providing for requisite ballot language and charter amendment text for the submission to the electorate, providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections for this special election. Item 11, a resolution of the Mayor and City Commission of the City of South Miami, Florida, calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the Purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 4 vacancies of article 2, city commission of the city charter, as presented in the ballot question to extend the time for calling and holding special elections to fill commission vacancies and to conform procedures to the requirements of county and state law. Providing for the requisite ballot language of charter amendment text for submission to the electorate. Providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of the Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections for the special election.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Madam State Attorney, for purposes of trying to expedite the conversation, I'm going to try and summarize the effect of the four questions. Actually, the first three, I'll have you explain the fourth, if that's fair. So number eight allows us to basically determine what the maximum term of lease would be on any city property. So if we wanted to contract beyond the current 50-year limitation, lease agreements would be excluded from that current limitation, correct?

I haven't gotten the hang of this yet. Yes, leases would be excluded and also other limited-term interests in city property.

Okay. With respect to ballot item 9, basically we're allowing ourselves more options with respect to the method for publishing items, correct? Which, as I understand it, will reduce our operating costs.

Correct. Okay.

For item 10, we're basically taking the purchasing standards that the manager operates under out of the charter, And we will be adopting them by ordinance so we can modify them as needed over time without having to go back out To referendum in the future. Is that the effect?

Yes, that's the effect and it does call for it to be approved by ordinance as part of the budget process every year Okay, great.

And then can you explain item 11? What's the effect of it so

This is the vacancy question. Right now, our city of South Miami charter provides that vacancies have to be held within a certain timeframe, which is somewhere between 30 to 60 days. The effect of this amendment would be essentially to extend the period for when the city would have to call and hold a special election in the event of a vacancy. And that's really just to comply and to allow for us to schedule the special elections in coordination with the supervisor of elections.

OK, great. So basically, we're conforming with their process.

We would be, they don't really have a time frame, but they usually need more than 30 days.

60 days to go, okay.

Right, so the recommendation actually came from the clerk, we should extend that time period, and that way also if electors or residents were to look at this, they would say, They wouldn't be concerned that you all didn't hold an election within the time frame. Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear there. If the charter says you have to hold it within 30 days, but the supervisor won't consent, we don't want to be in violation of our charter. So we wouldn't be extending the period effectively.

So we'd be extending the period based on the determination of the supervisor or election. Correct. Whatever that period is. So she says it's not 30 days, it's got to be 90 days. It would be held in 90 days.

Correct.

Okay.

Colleagues, any questions on the four items? Okay. Let's go left to right. Madam Commissioner, you're recognized. Yes.

9, 10, 11 makes sense to me. Even the way they read is simple. If you read 8, there is a ton of words there. There has to be an easier way to say this. If it wasn't because Javi's sitting here explaining to me exactly what that says, and I was just any person standing there trying to vote, I would have no freaking clue what you're trying to tell me here. So I am a hard no on this, unless we can, as a group, come up with a better way of saying this. If what we're trying to get through here we want to be able to change the leases, the time of the lease, then we've got to save that. I mean, if you eat this, I mean, it's like a word salad. And I get it. Sometimes people are trying to confuse people. That shouldn't be what we're trying to do as a city. Yeah, quite.

Yeah.

Well, thank you. So, um, I, I agreed with, uh, I agree with commissioner. The thing is, I spoke to the manager. So if you read the language, I mean, what you're reading here, read it. It says so basically what it's doing, it's removed out of. out of, it's removing leases out of it. So then leases and 99 year leases and it's no longer 50 by exclusion, basically. That's the way that.

If you didn't have the city manager and the city attorney and the mayor, you wouldn't know what that means.

Correct. Because the reason there, it's not, exactly, it's not stating it like you said.