Town Council - Special Meeting

Heat. Heat. Good evening and welcome to our special called Town Council workshop. Before um I call our meeting to order, I am going to ask um Steve Sullivan to do our prayer. And tonight, I'll ask Dennis Johnson to lead us in the pledge. If you'll all stand with us.

Bow your heads, please. Dear Lord, thank you for tonight. Thank you for the town of Smyrna. We ask that you uh be with these proceedings, Lord, and that everything here would be pleasing in your sight. uh continue to bless uh our staff and our uh emergency uh workers that we have. Lord, please uh continue to bless this state and our country. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Dennis and Christie.

That wasn't Dennis, was it? Christy helped him out a little bit. She She helped him out. So, I will call our meeting to order. and Miss Amber, if you'll do roll call for us. Yes, ma'am. Councilman, Councilwoman Peele, here. Councilman Cole, yes, ma'am. Councilman Short here. Councilman Sullivan here. Vice Mayor Atkins here. Mayor Reed here. Okay. Um we have um one, two, three, four public hearings under old business tonight. Our first public hearing is consideration of an ordinance amending the text of the Smyrna sign ordinance chapter 3 general provision sections D and E and chapter 7 temporary sign provisions sections A B and C. Kevin.

Yes, mayor and councel. These are some amendments to the sign ordinance. These are items that the planning commission and council had discussed uh in some of the joint meetings and so these were brought forward to the planning commission based on that discussion. Uh temporary signage is regulated by the sign ordinance. These amendments update the regulations for banners, streamers, and inflatable signage. Uh with regard to banners, the 90-day calendar uh year limit permitted in 30-day increments would be removed in place of that regulation. Banners could be displayed up to 7 days um within 3 months of a business license being obtained from the town. and and they could also be displayed if they're waiting on fabrication of a sign if they've got a sign permit issued for for a permanent sign. Uh with regard to streamers, penants, and inflatable signs, these would no longer be allowed as a form of temporary signage. Um we did attach those modifications that were proposed to you. Um they're in your packet there. The planning commission did review these uh did recommend approval unanimously. Staff would also recommend approval. Council, before we go to the public to see if there's anyone here to speak for against this item, are there any questions or comments on this?

Well, this go into effect. It'll go into effect immediately. Immediately. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, since there are no questions, is there anyone here from the public who would like to speak on this item regarding u temporary signs? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and go to council for a motion. Move to approve. A motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. Our next public hearing is consideration of an ordinance amending the text of the Smyrna Municipal Zoning Ordinance Article 5 Zoning District Section 5.051.4.C regarding accessory apartments in the R4 medium density residential district. Kevin.

Yeah. This is a zoning ordinance amendment. It's another one that was discussed in the joint meetings between council and planning commission. And so we did bring it forward based on that discussion. Uh this amendment would add accessory apartments as an allowed use within the R4 district as a special exception review by the board of zoning appeals. Uh this use is already allowed as a special exception in the R1, two, and three districts. Um, the proposed amendment would limit this as a special exception for those parcels that are zoned R4 that only have a single family residence on them. R4 also allows for duplexes. Um, so it wouldn't you couldn't have a third u unit on a duplex lot. Um, so um and then the again the language is there in your packet. Uh, the planning commission did review this, did recommend approval, and staff would also recommend approval.

Questions for Kevin on this one? Nope. Since this is a public hearing, is there anyone here to speak for or against um, article 5 zoning districts um, in the R4 medium density residential district? Seeing no one, close public hearing and go to council for a motion. Make a motion. Have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. Our next public hearing is a consideration of an ordinance amending the text of the Smyrna Municipal Zoning Ordinance Article 2 definition section 2.020 and section 2.036.12 and article 5 zoning district section 5.052.1 5.052.2 5.052.4 and 5.052.6. Six regarding bail bond agency requirements. Kevin,

this is an ordinance amendment. This is not one that the council and planning commission talked about at your joint meetings. This is one that staff brought forward. Um we had received an inquiry uh from someone regarding the establishment of a bail bond business within the town. Uh this something our ordinance does not address in any way. And so it does fit within the overall category of general business services. uh wouldn't necessarily be we didn't feel it would be appropriate in all the zoning districts where that uh the general business services are allowed and so uh which I write those uses are allowed in C1, C2, C4, C5, PO2 and A1 and by special exception in the I1 and I2 districts. So this amendment would add the definition of of a bailbond agency and add it to the use listing under general business service and it but it would restrict them from uh operating within C1, C2, C4 and PO2 districts but would remain by right in C5 and A1 and as a special exception in I1 and I2. Uh again that the language is there um as as in your packet there is what is proposed to be changed. The planning commission did did review these amendments, did recommend approval unanimously, and staff would also recommend approval.

Questions for Kevin on the bail bonds. Okay, seeing no questions, we'll go to the public to see if there's anyone here to speak for or against this item. Seeing no one, we'll close public hearing. Go to council for a motion. Move to approve. Motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. Our last public hearing tonight is consideration of an ordinance amending the text of the Smyrna Municipal Zoning Ordinance Article 2 definition section 2.020, 2.036.14, and 2.036.23. Article 4 supplemental supplementary provisions applying to specific districts adding section 4.210 and article 5 zoning districts. Section 5.052.6. 7 5.053.1 and 5.053.2 regarding tobacco vape and cannabonoid retailers. Kevin,

yes, this is uh amending a lot of several sections of the zoning ordinance but all related to one various or one specific thing. Um again, this is something that was was discussed at the joint meetings with the planning commission. Um these amendments would create a definition regarding establishments conducting retail sales of tobacco vape or cannabonoid derived products as the primary business operation. Uh the amendments would lead to the use being allowed by right within the C5, I1, I2, and I3 zoning districts with some additional supplementary provisions applying to the locations of such operations within those districts. Um again, this proposed language is included in your packet there. The planning commission did review this and did recommend approval unanimously and staff would also recommend approval.

Questions for Kevin on this? There are no questions. I'll go to the public to see if there's anyone here to speak for or against this item. Seeing no one, I'll close public hearing. Go to council for a motion. I'll make the motion. A motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. We're now to our public comment period. The town's public comment period shall be reserved for those citizens who citizens who have signed up to address the town council or a border committee at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting pursuant to the town's public comment policy as outlined above. We do have one person that has signed up to speak under public comment tonight. Sharon McGinness um on the Lake Farms estate situation. And if you will come forward, and if you will state your name, your address, if you live in the town limits, and then Miss Amber is going to let you have three minutes is what she'll do. My name is Sharon McInness. I live at 504 Lake Farm Road here in Smyrna. Great.

May I begin? You may.

I personally want to thank those of the town council for taking time to listen and act on behalf of residents of Lake Pharma Estates to our pleas for help. I have lived on Lake Farm Road since the late summer of 1986. Our four children, all four high Smyrna High School graduates were raised in this neighborhood planning roots of nearly 40 years. Lake Farm Estates is a very unique neighborhood with large lots. It's very deser diverse filled with hardworking individuals, retirees on fixed incomes and paid off properties and several that are new or relatively new to our neighborhood. I believe all would agree that residents were mortified at how an absentee owner of over 30 years, a commercial property corporation, end up with 12 residential lots and three lots on Payton and in a matter of a few weeks cause residents such trauma, stress, anxiety, and anger in our neighborhood with total disregard of warning of their plans and devaluating our properties instantly. I will close with several questions desperately seeking answers. Where do we go from here? How do we reclaim our sanctuary after a corporate neighbor who has invested nothing in the Smyrna community other than infiltrating a residential neighborhood for their absentee corporate greed to expand their tractor trailer junkyard from Enan Springs to Lake Farm Road, thus causing our anguish. Our largest financial asset andor investment is our homes and they have been virtually and singly handledhandedly devalued. Who will want to buy our homes with families who want to raise their children with a huge backyard to play in now? who wants to have people pass the

residence at 402 Lake Farm, the very entrance into Lake Farm Estates from Nissan Drive, and see the last property that was bought and virtually abandoned for almost two years now. How do you explain to your children and your grandchildren what's happened here? Who will give us asurances that they will never be allowed to reszone our residential neighborhood? Who would really want this corporation for a neighbor after such this atrocity? Steel Technologies and Topri appear to have figured out how to be sensitive to their neighborhood, nearby neighborhoods. Will there need to be a change or addition in the Smyrna codes or reszoning to protect neighborhoods like ours in the future? What more can we do as residents? Now, I hope you all have a happy Easter and thank you.

Yes, thank you so much. Um, I can tell you that each one of us up here have are really concerned about um this issue and we are trying to do everything we can legally um to keep this from happening. Um for them to reszone that property, they would have to come before the planning commission. I do not see not even one member of the planning commission reszoning that property um before it would ever even come to us. Um I think with 99.9% certainty if it even got past planning, which I don't see, I don't think there would even be one person up here that would vote to reszone that property to industrial. But I am going to have um Dennis Johnson come up and talk a little bit about where we are in the process and what is actually going on because as property owners they do have some rights as to what they can do with their property. Um we may not like it but they do have some rights but we also want to talk about what they can't do and what the process is going to look like. So Dennis, do you mind coming up and talking? Dennis is one of our codes enforcers here at the town. So, um he is directly involved with this. So, Dennis.

Okay. Currently, uh we have citations out to the property owner. Uh the only violations they have currently are the lighting issue with the building. Uh it's a zoning where the light now comes across onto other adjoining properties. Uh so they have been cited for that and also the public nuisance ordinance and that is for all the debris where they took all the trees out and they're in we've all seen these big piles of trees. So they're going to have to eliminate all that and the so those are the two things that they're in violation of currently. They haven't done anything else to this point where we can cite them.

And because it was something that was done, golly, I don't even know how many years ago when that um property was was built. Um there was not a requirement that they had to have a buffer between that property and the residential. Is that correct? I I'm not aware of one. that property uh was originally in the county. So, it has been annexed uh since. Uh so, you know, unless the county would have had a stipulation on there being a barrier there and that was well before my time. So, I'm not But was the industrial not brought in under us originally or was it already in the county? The industrial part was in the city limits.

Yeah. Um but prior to us requiring buffers between industrial and residential. plug into the early 80s, right? Yes. So, um, so we really have no recourse in regards to requiring them to put a buffer, but we do have recourse in regards to the lighting and the debris. That That's the way I understand it currently that we don't have a way to go back. Uh, they may be looking into it in zoning to see if they can find something, but currently that's the way I understand it. Okay. Um, they have been cited to court. When did you say what day? I believe their court date will be the 23rd of April

of April and here in Smyrna which is open to anyone who wants to attend to hear the proceedings. Yes. And then um and this may be a Jeff question rather than you.

Let's let's say that they choose not to comply with what the judge requires them to do. What is then our next step? So, uh, currently in Tennessee, uh, right now there's a bill to try to change that actually. But right now for a municipal court, all that their authority for enforcement is for monetary funds. And so, in order to make someone do something, you have to go to a court of equity. And so, our circuit or chancery courts would would be the ones that would do that. And it would be an injunction that we'd file if they did not. So obviously, uh, the town would be asking for $50 a day for every day that it's out of compliance,

which is the max we can charge. Correct. Per Tennessee constitution, right? That's that's the most that you can for any municipal court. Now, that doesn't include court cost and fines. So, if you realize when you get received a speeding ticket, the fine was only probably $40 or $50 and the court costs are about 110 or something like that. Uh, in addition to that though, would it be per lot? because where the debris is there are individual lots and we had had this discussion earlier but didn't know the answer to that question. I think you would have to have a certain number of citations. I don't know that they would do it for Okay. It' be up to the judge but I believe that it would probably be to that one offender. Okay.

Dennis, you said a while ago that they've been cited obviously for the light pollution. Yes. uh what can what can they do to come into compliance? What would be the motion for them to come into compliance on the lighting issue? Right. Well, Kevin might be able to answer this a little bit better. I mean, the way I understand it, if this was current, somebody was building uh industrial or commercial against a residential, those lights would have to be shielded down where it can't escape the property. So, you know, I would I would say that we're going to ask for them to do that to put some kind of shielding to where all those lights are pointing down instead of straight out like they are currently.

But because they were there first, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. Sure. And grandfathered in some regards. Can we require that? That's my question because I think they'd like to know what is it that I feel like the city can do to make them come into compliancy with the light pollution. Is that something we have the tool to do? I believe so. Or we probably wouldn't have moved forward with site limit for that ordinance. So I feel like staff feels like we can move forward with it. And that'll obviously be up to the judge we get in front of her. But I feel like

is there is there not uh any kind of noise just like this is light pollution essentially. Is there any kind of noise pollution or noise ordinance? Our noise ordinance is enforced uh by the police department and it's kind of at at u the discretion of uh the officer. But being that that's a zoned industrial or commercial on that side, I don't know if that would apply. I don't know. Maybe Jeff might know that better than I, but I don't I know we couldn't site. So in code,

there's a certain decibel level in the zoning ordinance that uh for industrial properties like that. And so is that is that done on a timew weighted average or just you take a a quick uh reading and you get that or is it over over a period of time? I believe our ordinance does not require over a period of time. So if it just gets over that at one point, you're over that. Correct. Correct. So you would not have to leave something out there for Okay. a week or something. That's what I would have to leave anything out there. So how do you implement that? Yeah. I don't know if we're doing that, but I would like to at least if it's a recording device or something we set up out there, let's get that set up and let's just make sure you can take your phone out there and get it next. Yeah, there's apps.

Yeah. Yeah. The problem is you're not going to have that. You got to be there at that point in time, right? If they don't do it until middle of the day or middle of the night, I would hope you would some sort of device that records. Well, we'll have to use something that's admissible in court,

of course. And then my follow on question to all of this, Jeff, is to to the question that we were asked is what can we do? Is there ordinance changes we could do that um maybe prevents this from happening in the future? These, for lack of a better word, grandfathered properties that didn't require a buffer. Um is there anything we can do from an ordinance perspective? something anything we can pass or vote on that would prevent this from happening in the future

as it concerns the buffer that would be a vested right from what was as you're familiar we dealt with uh what could have gone to litigation with with Lynwood at one point about uh vested under the driveway scenario. Uh so Tennessee law uh has only been uh increased and stricter towards municipalities for those types of changes that we're not allowed to enforce. Um so it's not particularly grandfathering, but I mean it's similar. So it's what people general people would understand as grandfathering. Grandfathering usually is just for zoning and the type the use the use that they're doing. But, uh, other than that, I mean, the lighting I don't think is, uh, is an issue to enforce. Uh, that just needs to be shown down so that it's not, you know, showing up in in beyond its property boundaries. I think there's a huge leap of moving your lighting to building a a buffer that wasn't required before. And I believe it's a property maintenance uh, issue. And I I feel comfortable taking that to court any day on that. Couldn't we couldn't we also as far as the lighting, couldn't we at least offer that as an option? They could shield or filter the lighting or replace the trees along the border as an option. I I get we can't enforce that, but we could definitely ask them to potentially do that and maybe they would.

We could ask I think the one problem that would be is how mature the trees are. I don't know how long it would take before

I understand that. Yeah. I mean, that was my goal when we we we we reached out to them initially before we cited them, you know, asking for them kind of a plan of action or whatever, and there wasn't a plan of action really given to us. And so, if we had had some conversations, if they had been willing to have those conversations, I was going to recommend to them, number one, shine the lights, put the shields on them, make them go straight at the ground, uh, and replant what you just bulldozed down. I mean, it's going to take some time for them to grow up, but replant above her to help with the light and the pollution and everything. That's going to be the other option. Um, you know, there wasn't concerns about the lights the way they were when the trees were there, you know. So, um, I mean, so I mean,

you segue into permissible fencing. You know, we've heard stories about cyclone fencing with razor wire and such as that, too. I mean, I mean, I think that's certainly something we could we probably need to look at. Um, we don't have we don't deal with the type of fencing other than if it's in the decorative fencing portion of our ordinance, you know, we don't tell people we you can only have certain types of fence, you know, or whatever. If it's fencing their backyard, they can do metal fencing or brick fencing or wood or plastic or whatever they want to do. Um, and we could spell some of that stuff out and then not and then limitations on at least the razor wire and all that kind of stuff that it's been talked about certainly. Um,

that's obviously around the residential property that you're talking about, right? That there's concern about, you know, we require like tow lots to have screened fencing around their lots. Wouldn't wouldn't we require that between the trucking lot and the residential property even though they're the same? That could certainly be part of a buffer, visual buffer. A fencing. No fence could be tall enough to hide those lights though. So that's why I was absolutely talking about the lot itself. I'm just talking about the look itself, right? We require filtering for total lots. It just seems logical. They would have to have the same filtering.

Yeah. Well, help me too remember that uh they can't it's residentially zone, first of all, and mayor's already pointed out. I don't I don't think there's anybody up here that's going to have any flavor for changing it. That's that's I know I don't and u I don't I'm not going to speak for the rest but I'm pretty sure I know what they feel the um if in planning somebody builds a house they've got to keep the fencing behind the home right so if that's a residentially zoned property and they decide to fence it they can't come all the way out to the road with it can they

I would they couldn't go past that front setback and those lots actually have a very deep front. Pretty deep. They're like 75 feet deep. So, um, which is I'm just thinking it's gonna look so institutional. Yeah. If if you have tall chain links and razor wire, if you will, you know, on top of it to keep people out, it's just going to look like a And you also said that it couldn't come past the house. And none of these lots have houses on them, right? So, it would just be a fence around an an open piece of land,

open lot, right? And there's also I mean there's actually some public rideways through some of those um that were never built. The county didn't require them to be built when the subdivision was built in the 1970s and whatnot. So there they couldn't technically we own those properties um obviously because they're public rideways. So we be they became ours when the town annexed the property so or annexed neighborhood. So so you can't you couldn't fence across those. I mean, so I don't think they could do what they really want to do anyway. Yeah. So, I mean, to me, I don't know why you would Before we move on,

sell the lots and for somebody to build homes back home, you know,

I do want to address the the noise, you called it noise pollution, uh, Steve, before all the trees were cut down, the I live in this neighborhood, so I'm very aware of what what has been said. Um, but before the trees were cut down, the noise level was a lot lower. But now that all the trees are gone and there is no buffer, the noise act from the industrial um building with the different trucks coming in and out goes over all the way through our neighborhood. I live two streets over from where this is happening and I can hear it all night long. So, when you're talking about the decibb, Jeff, I don't know that there's I don't know if that means go in and check the decibb for a full days worth of of time or at a specific time because the trucks come all different times of day. And some days are is more than others. And the weekend the lots are full and there's plenty of tractor trailers that have come and dropped their loads off. So I don't know how you determine what would be the best time to to determine that or to decide what the decibel level should be or will be. Um but I think that is also an issue for addressing the buffer and why buffer why we may be able to encourage that a buffer be put back because of the noise pollution.

Yeah. The trees kind of help Yes.

filter some of that sound out. Right. So Kevin, since obviously this is something we've never had to deal with and we kind of don't have stuff on the books currently to do some of the things that we're wanting or keep them from doing some of the things. What What currently could they do besides putting up the fence? Is there anything else? They can't pave. So is there anything else that they could do than what they've currently done? I mean, there's really nothing else for them other than clean off the trees that they pull those down that we we've asked them to remove. The only thing they can legally do on those properties is come in, get building permits, and build houses. Okay.

And and they can fence they can they could fence to the front setback. Yeah. Which we think is 75 75 ft. It's on the on their plats. It's 75 ft. Right. So from from Lake Farm Road, right? So that the fence would be 75 back off the road if they fenced it. If they fenced it. Right. I know we've had letters or emails that have gone back and forth. Have we h been able to actually get in touch with anybody to talk to them to We have we have talked with one or two people from the company. Yes. From the owner of the c from the owner of the company or the owner of the person that's actually renting the building.

The tenant. Well, I think we we've talked with the tenant as or someone representing the tenant. We have talked to them, but we have talked to someone Crown Enterprises. Mitch in my office has talked to someone there. I can't he's got a couple business cards and we've talked to some actual people on the phone as well. U so we have we do have contacts there uh beyond, you know, mailing a letter to Warren, Michigan. We we have we've done that too. But um as far as yeah, all they can do now is is build houses there. That's all that's zoned for. I mean, okay,

they can't they can't pave. They can't do what they want to do with the property at this point. I don't They've continued to to try and they continue to purchase properties over there. They obviously that's that's their plan. They bought some other properties that were zoned industrial as well from some of the folks that own them along Ena Spring. So, I mean, they're accumulating some property. They're not doing that for just to own the property. They want to do something with them. So, um is there not still an existing house that's fallen into disrepair?

Yes, there is still an existing house. Yeah, there it's kind of in the entry one of the streets as you just as you come into the to the single family the the county what was in the county portion of the neighborhood. Right. So they have kind of put a spotlight on themselves by doing the things they've done. Sure. Um spotlight on the neighbors.

That's right. Yeah. Um, can we make sure we are doing everything within our legal power? Whether it's noise, whether it's looking at the abandoned house, if it's in disrepair, everything that we can possib is an issue that we are that we can address.

Yeah. And we have in the it's been years and years ago there was a and we we found it was this was when folks that aren't here anymore with the codes department actually were the ones who did this. They found someone there's a companies out there that had those uh whatever machines you can measure the noise levels with. They had them set it up and they had it at completely different location. Had them set it up. They did did a test 24hour or whatever and recording

and and had we had a report then that confirmed there was a violation. We were able to work with that industrial owner to correct the issue. There was an issue. They had put on a piece of equipment to the outside of the building that was causing the issue. Once they housed that build that piece of equipment, it wasn't a problem anymore. So that that was a lot of years ago. We'd have to find somebody like that. We and it's measured at the property line as well.

It's not hard to find those. I used to use those machines all the time, Steve. I'm sure they've got them at Nissan. Basically, just put it on somebody. They read they take 16 readings per second. And then it'll give you a time weighted average over however long you want to you want to test it for. It'll also give you the reading of your high points as well. So you can go in and look and see is it, you know, at over above the whatever the threshold is. So they're not hard to find. Uh and they're not hard to use either. Uh we like I said, we used to put them on people all the time just to see what kind of a noise exposure they they were in a in an 8 hour period. So, um, it it would be and then also once you do that, and I'm I'm sure my engineering fan on the other end down there knows there's there's materials out there that will reduce the noise level. I mean, you if you have a wall, you put up certain things on that wall, it will absorb that that noise and not be as loud. So,

yeah. Issue here, of course, this noise is outside. I think the biggest noise is is the tractor trailers hitching and unhitching.

Yeah. Right. And uh just echoing through the while we're talking about revisions to ordinances, I know we've talked about buffers and everything and I know it'd be hard like if someone owns a residential property next to um you know company in this instance, but when you take down natural buffers and create an issue for your neighbor, we need to be looking at at that as far as some way of drafting an ordinance to try to address that, you know, if it I know everyone has property rights, but this is what's brought this to light. And you know, if the trees weren't cut down, then we wouldn't be having this discussion probably. So, um, you know, how do we preserve those natural buffers to eliminate this in the future? And I don't know if it was already brought into the town and it wasn't addressed then if if we legally can Jeff can we

understanding here what what you have here is they purchased these residential lots later in time and so u you know you just had residential lots they went into as any owner could and and did earth moving took down the trees took down their trees. Um, and so I have to look to see how that would be if you buy industrial and you buy residential property. I'd have to see if that's even a thing. I guess

Jeff, do you think at this point it does any good for you to try to get in touch with the contacts they have to say, look, this has really caused a huge huge issue for residents in our community. Is there anything we can do for you all to to build the buffer back to to Right. Do you think there's any benefit in that? Yeah, I mean I don't I think communications always great. Uh worst they can tell me is to pay on sand and so do you mind doing that?

No, I don't mind doing it. And uh I know that from what Mitch advised, they were supposed to be sending someone from Detroit that's over the land management, I guess, or property manager to look at some of these conditions. So, possibly maybe they've already had time to get back. So, I'll reach out to them uh and send an email because I I do have copies of emails that Mitch has sent me. So, I do have their email address that I can reach out to. Well, I hope staff hears loud and clear that anything and everything that we can do to um help these neighbors um is what we want to do. And if this group is not um complying with what they're supposed to comply with as quickly and as much as we can do to find them and then also take them back to court, I think that's what we want to do. Yeah,

I might carry this just a little bit further, too. You may have some goodwill come from them, but I think if they're trying to trade off reszoning there are their residential lots for the goodwill that they're willing to apply, I don't think that's a deal I'd be willing to make necessarily because at a later time they could then go in and do what they want with those residential lots. I would encourage you to encourage them to go back and watch our meeting and let them hear how council feels about this. So, council, anything else? I do want to say I had a good conversation with some of the people in the audience yesterday and uh I appreciate the approach that you all have had. Uh just just the ability to come respectfully and share your concerns and I think all of us I know Raquel lives over there. She's probably she's probably heard from more people than we have being a neighbor. But it means a lot to us when people can be civil about their concerns and we like to listen to them. We like to do all we can to get them corrected. And I think to the mayor's point, that's what we're going to do.

Okay. Thank you all for coming and and invoicing what's going on. I think that's important for, as Marcus said, for us all to know how you feel about the situation. Kevin, do you know if they have one point of contact that's with their group? I know we got an email. It didn't have a name with it. It just had an email address, but do we know who their one point of contact is with Lake Farm? I don't know that I have a specific person know Miss McInness. I talked with her directly, but

Okay. So, is there a way for us to just if if there is a way if there's a way if there are things that happen that we can just keep them informed as to what's going on, that would be great. And I think it'd be easier if we had one point of contact who then disseminates out the information as opposed to trying to speak with everybody individually. Sure. Social media, they they can all share, right, as much as they can to let the citizens, especially in that area, know what this council is trying to do to protect it. Okay. Anything else? Staff, we appreciate what you're trying to do to help as well. And um if nothing else, then we are adjourned.