City Council - Regular Meeting

Bernstein. I'm here. Bertrand. Rayford here. Shaner here. Scott here. Could we stand for a moment of silent prayer followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Could I have Mike Armstrong and Veronica Guerra meet me at the podium? Sure. I appreciate your time today, mayor. Council members of Sioux City. I'm Mike Armstrong with the Iowa League of Cities. And we work alongside other groups such as the Iowa Mayors Association, to do a number of ways to recognize our local governments and the citizens who champion local governments. One of the most enjoyable contests we run is a seventh grade essay contest across Iowa, where we invite students to answer the question, if you were mayor for a day, what would you do for your hometown? What would be your priorities? What are your values? We've done this for over ten years, so I've seen a lot of different essays, and this year we had 350 plus submissions. So it's a competitive group. We only hand out for one per congressional district. So today I'm here with Veronica Guerra, who is the winner for district four. She had a fantastic essay all about Sioux City for the league. You all hosted our annual conference two years ago. So I already know a lot of the great things here and the things you're striving to do. But this

was a fantastic essay. And the panel of mayors from the Iowa Mayors Association fell in love with it and really thought that this exemplified what we wanted to see in our future leaders. So with that, I'll turn it over to Veronica. First, I'd like to thank the judges for choosing my essay. I am also very grateful to my principal, Miss Fisher, and support for supporting my family and helping it make it, helping to make it possible for me to attend this school. I want to thank my parents, who came to this country and worked hard to give me and my siblings opportunities they didn't always have growing up. Their sacrifices inspire me every day and I wish to become a hard working person like them. They remind me how important it is that we stay united and support one another no matter where we come from. And thank you to my siblings for always encouraging me and believing in me. I am really honored to be here and to be the first student from Sioux City to win since the program started in 2014. Thank you for. Thank you all for coming and I am proud to represent my family, my community, and the values they raised me with. Thank you. Very nice. Well, first of all, I think we need to see a copy of that. So I hope somebody from the school will get it to the city. Second of all, this young lady is my hero because for years I was on that league board and I tried to get somebody from Sioux City to write one of these and win. So thank you for finally being a winner. And with that, the league has got a nice plaque for you to remember. So thank

you very much. Okay. All right. Thank you guys. Very nice. Congratulations. All right. We'll go to an interview for Human Rights Commission with Meredith Lehmann. Meredith, come on up and tell us a little bit about yourself and why you want to serve. Hi. My name is Meredith Lehmann. I go by Mary like Christmas. I moved to the Sioux City area about two years ago now. I was raised in Des Moines, Iowa. From there, I received my undergraduate degree from the University of Iowa. I went and traveled to the South. I spent a year in Texas and then discovered that law school was where I needed to be. Next, I moved to Georgia, completed my Juris Doctorate there. I worked in private practice for a couple of years and then transitioned into prosecution after a couple years in prosecution, it finally hit me that I was homesick and I missed my family here in northwest Iowa. I moved back about two years ago and I am in house counsel for Great West Casualty Company in South Sioux. I'm really excited to be considered for the Human Rights Commission. I have a lot of training in the legal profession. I've met a lot of vulnerable individuals through my career, and I'd like the opportunity to continue that work up here. Questions. Thanks for your application and thanks for moving back to Sioux City. Nice to have you back. Glad to be here. Definitely glad to have you apply and get busy.

All right. We'll let you know. Thank you. Thank you very much. We'll move to the consent agenda which items? Three through 12. B. Consider these items to pass unanimously unless a separate roll call vote is requested by a council member. If you want to speak on an item, please come to the podium as I read that item. If you want to speak on item, not on the agenda, please come up under citizen concerns. I'll move the consent agenda. Second three is a reading of the March 16th Council minutes for the resolution authorizing the issuance of geo capital loan notes and living attacks for the payment. Five R actions relating to grants A is a resolution authorizing the Historic Preservation Commission to submit a target grant application for funding the Digital digital digitalization of the city records. Is a question on this item. Is this Wade? So what's the total of the project and how do the tax credits apply? There are federal and state historic tax credits. This would be to get more resources in a digital manner to eventually be able to use some of that stuff. Currently, Rachel planning and also historic preservation liaison, but also to so to kind of give a little bit of backstory, the OCR, which is optical character recognition has gotten really good. And so getting this stuff over off of microfilm and what have you will make it a lot more easy to access and get to and find things going forward. So what do you anticipate the total cost of the project to be? It's expensive. It's probably close to 100 K. Okay, so you're getting 25 in a grant? Possibly. Yes. And then there's a there's an upcoming HR grant, which is through the Historical Society of Iowa, which is also another

50. So we're applying for that. And there will be another grant application. So then so then what's the applicability of the tax credit program. So we want to get. So part of this is the a lot of the consultants that are writing these because they're the National Register nominations have become small dissertations. And so having this ability to have this stuff that's digital and being able to access from not necessarily here, but remotely, it'd be advantage. But also, and I will attest, we get a fair amount of calls between the different departments within the city asking for references or how to access this information. Right now, it's all in a very analog format that's in essence, kind of deteriorated. I think I understand the need for the program. I'm just curious about the funding, and I'm trying to understand how the tax credit program works. Well, are those tax credits that that are sold. And then this would be to be for long term, like going forward to be able to put these National Register nominations so that they could apply for a national register, tax credits and so forth. So thanks. B is a resolution authorizing the Environmental Services Division to submit a grant application to merge for a target grant for matching program for lid lock bars on commercial dumpster lids. What's the total amount of this project? And is it an assessment on. I know you're trying to split the cost. Correct. Air monitoring, environmental services. I don't have the total amount yet. I'm waiting on one waste hauler, a larger one. But I do know Gil

hauling alone was 220,000 to add them. So yes, we were trying to maybe figure out a cost share program, but we're still working on that and that will come up, I think, April 6th on the agenda. Great. Thank you. Is a resolution authorizing acceptance of a Surface transportation block grant and carbon reduction program, funding agreements with Simcoe Metropolitan Planning Organization D is resolution approving Contract amendment number one with the Ida for Community Development Block Grant, Coronavirus Aid Relief and Economic Act funds. E is a resolution approving First Amendment to the Cdbg Subrecipient agreement with the Warming Shelter for Homeless Shelter Operations. Six or actions relating to street closures. A is a resolution temporarily closing a portion of Pierce Street on May 17th for the Bishop Heelan High School graduation reception B is a resolution temporarily closing a portion of Pierce Street on May 9th for the Brier Cliff University commencement reception. Seven are actions adopting contract construction documents. A is a resolution adopting plans and specs for the Gordon Drive water main and sanitary sewer early relocation package. Project B is a resolution adopting plans and specs for the Park View Boulevard water main replacement project eight are actions relating to agreements and contracts. A is resolution authorizing staff to proceed with negotiations with confluence to formulate a consultant services agreement for Headed Ball Field Relocation project. Can I a question on this? I don't know, Matt, is this so when are you going to start looking to

marketing this project? The relocation that's outdoor Parks and Recreation director. Do you mean to let the public know? No, I to mean entities, foundations, those that are interested in helping market and support with naming rights and otherwise. We met with headed about that possibility. They're actually taking the lead and we're going to help support them how we can. Are they going to try for a national major league grant? No, but I can I can I'll suggest that we have all kinds of them now. We'll look into that. Okay. All right. Thank you. That's a big deal right now. Thanks. Matt. B is a resolution approving a contract with McGinnis roofing for the fire training center roof replacement project C is resolution approving a school resource officer agreement with Sioux City Community School District for certified police officers serve as school resource officers. I had a chance to visit with Nicole this morning on this relationship. I had some questions, not necessarily concerns, but just on the hold, harmless and indemnity language, making sure that we are clear on which parties were responsible, that we have adequate insurance. And Nicole told me that they've reviewed the agreement, and I think it's in good shape. He is resolution approving a Post-construction stormwater management plan, maintenance agreement and easement with BNC for a detention basin and accepting a permanent easement. E is a resolution granting a permit to Metro Fibernet to maintain underground fiber, ending adjacent to 2203 Nebraska Street. I wonder why they still call it Metro Fibernet because they got bought out by T-Mobile. Because I just hooked it up to my house. And you go through T-Mobile now or. Are we sure

our application I'm bonding is all in the original name? Well, I'm just telling you, there is a check on that. It's true. Gordon fair city engineer. Yeah, that was put on their application. So we're just we go with what they say. Well, is it a recent application? I mean because it is true that they have been bought. Yeah. It was three weeks ago. We got it. Okay. F is resolution approving a temporary longitudinal pipeline agreement with the Union Pacific Railroad for the rehabilitation of the old Bacon Creek sanitary sewer. Come on. G is resolution approving a pipeline license agreement with BNSF railway Railway for the temporary sanitary series, sanitary sewer bypass pipeline pipeline, crossing the old Bacon Creek sanitary sewer. H is a resolution approving a pipeline license agreement with BNSF Railroad Way for the 48 inch sanitary sewer pipeline, crossing the old Bacon Creek Sanitary Sewer Project I as a resolution approving a work order with R, S and H for the South Apron Reconstruction Phase two project at the airport. Nine or actions authorizing payments as a resolution authorizing payment to C, w Suter and Sons for the Arts Center Hvac replacement project. Phase one I need to abstain. Conflict of interest. B is a resolution authorizing payment to Midwest constructors for the Marina Gang plank repair project. Tanner purchasing A is a resolution awarding a purchase order to Hutchinson for Rock salt B is a resolution authorizing a purchase order to lenco armored vehicles for one Lenco Bearcat

armored rescue vehicle. I just have one question and I see captain is here. And Ryan Bertrand, captain, Sioux City PD and I know we had talked about this during the budget hearing was is Lenco the only place that that you guys look for this type of vehicle or are there other I mean, were there bids or anything? So we would I would consider this like in the category of a sole source vendor. There are very it's a very niche kind of manufacturing. They're specifically designed. These guys are the, the proprietary, the main proprietor of this type of vehicle. There are different facilities that can up mod certain vehicles or work with the refurbished military ones, like like we have presently. But these guys are the sole source. One of the questions I hope was going to jump on because I didn't get a chance to speak when you asked it in an earlier meeting, was second hand vehicles. That was me. Okay. Julie. Sorry, that's a great question. And what ends up happening with these, these I would equate to kind of like trying to find a nice Toyota or a nice Honda at a used car dealer. You're not going to see them because when they come up for sale, they either get the departments that have them hang on to the used ones, or other agencies have already spoke for them. So they get they get picked up as fast as that. Again, exhaust that I did not I did not look. So look a little bit before this happened. We can. Yep, we certainly can. I mean the money's coming, but it doesn't mean that we have to spend it. If you would get lucky and find something, would you have any idea, Julie, what kind of time period would you like me to have for? For getting that look, I'm sure I can get back to you right away. The reason why I'm asking the question. I could get a

response really quick. Okay, I have a question. Isn't this funded in the next fiscal year? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask this. Didn't we just approve this purchase? Yes. And they have to build it. So it's. And the other, the other thing is it's it's there's there is so in demand. It's an 18 month lead time. Oh, it is 18 months. So there's a finance director, this is actually funded by a transfer out. So it's not being bonded. So we are able to move forward with it provided that you you've agreed and allowed us to balance the budget. If it were bonded, we would not allow them to purchase it early because it's not bonded. It's a transfer in. They are able to do so from some of their money. But the whole thing wasn't transferred in, was it? It was, it was actually remember, it was the public safety Covid funds and their, their. Info or wasn't there a pricing timing as well? Yeah, there is a pricing increase if we don't purchase it, I can't I mean, Ryan would know more about that, but there was a $15,000 price increase just from the time that we brought it to you and the initial that we put into the wrap up. And I'm definitely not against it. I mean, chief wouldn't ask for it if he didn't feel it was a necessity. I just was wondering about the so it looked a little bit at some numbers. 27 Swat deployments since 2023, 12 of those were shooting or firearms related suspects specifically. And two of those incidents we were shot at or fired upon by the suspect. So our current vehicle doesn't have a turret. We've tried to put a ballistic panel up as a makeshift turret at at the Hornet deal. We actually thought we took fire at that. It's not designed for that. That would have been a disaster. This particular model would have a a purpose built cupola that would provide protection. And we deploy these on every single incident that

we can just for the protection that it provides. So since 2012, there has been no other single thing that has changed our tactics, such as this vehicle, hands down, not even anything close. Ask you for one more thing. Got the cameras rolling? It's a good time to clarify. Some folks on social media feel as though we already have one. And why isn't that one good enough? And now you've explained to us, and the chief has the two the differences in these vehicles. Can you please tell us what the current one actually is? Yeah. The current vehicle we have is a military surplus vehicle. It's the military designation is called Mrap. It's a mine resistant personnel carrier that was designed for overseas operations. It a Swat vehicle. It is not at all a Swat vehicle. It was the price was right. We got it on a military surplus program. That vehicle came in about $750,000. Would have been the price tag on that. If we had to pay for it, we basically just had to get it from Texas up to here. We've painted it black so that it doesn't look like a desert vehicle, because it was originally in a tan desert kind of paint paint configuration. But that vehicle is extremely tall. It's extremely wide. It's it's massive. We're so thankful to have the armor. We're so thankful to have the protection. But navigating certain city streets is a real difficulty and let alone like back alleys with with tree cover and alleys. Some of our allies are covered. Not only is it a police Swat response vehicle, the rescue tag also is appropriate in that if we had someone that was pinned down in the library parking lot from a sniper, this vehicle would allow us to come in, provide protection to rescue the new one or natural disaster response, which we have plenty of those around here. It is a four wheel drive vehicle, so it can survive, like if we had high winds or tornado response, which we have

them around here. It's something that we could safely drive to get people in and out of dangerous areas. Thank you for clarifying. You're welcome. Is the 405,000 purchase price? Is it guaranteed for ten days, 30 days? If we did ask you to take a quick look at to Julie's point used vehicles. Yeah, I think they would honor that. They've they were right before CIP happened, there was another additional bump that they were requesting. I asked him to hold off on that. I said, we're so close here. Can you could you give us a stay on that? They had changed apart some fuel pump or something on it that they've changed. I think they would. I could certainly ask. I think I think they would probably be up for that. They are. I just I just. Yep. And I'd be glad to check. I'd be glad to check it just there again, like finding a used Toyota. They're going to be hard to find. So thank you, thank you. I still have a lot of reservations about this and I have them in something like I said, will happen to a police officer, not about protecting our police officers. I want to do that. But two reasons I still I don't. You can tell me all the times you use it, but the county has one, and we ought to be about sharing these type of things. And the other thing is, I there are still people in this community, I think, rightfully so, that are worried about the military. Is going military with the police department and the concern of mine. I know it's not for you, and I get that, but it is. I sit in a different chair. Yeah. Understood. I don't want any officer getting hurt if it saves a life. But it's just, man, this, you know, this just comes up and all of a sudden we're buying the darn thing. Without a doubt, a whole lot of discussion. Quite frankly. It came up in budget a month ago and now we've already got a purchase. We're ready to move on it, if I may. Mayor, I

understand the concern. I understand the appearance, the optics. The best that I could offer to that would be is to frame the context of what it is we actually do. You know, I think a lot of the things that we've talked about in this council over the last few months as being issues in the community, the the there are dangerous people and we have officers that are ready to go do these things and we're getting shot at it. That's a real deal. This is a an easy solution. But the couple that I know that got shot at this vehicle wouldn't have made a darn bit of difference because they were in their cars or they were in the front porch. And that's not exactly accurate. Very accurate. We took direct fire. The two police officers that we lost this, this vehicle would not have helped them immediately. Yes. Yes, sir, it would have because the suspect pulled up into a residence. And again, the Swat team responded to that had to end up digging the person out of an attic who was hiding in an attic. That's. I'mal tking way back when. You know who I'm talking about. I'm notal tking about the most recent one. I get that'm I definitely sensitive to optics and concerns of militarization, butls ao, you know, as a, as a tacticalla pnner who's charged with a certain mission of protecting citizens and officers alike, it's unfortunate. It's an unfortunate reality.ou Y know, and, and I reallypp areciate, you know, this. And of course, you know, Ias w that person that had concerns and I just had a citizenea rch out to me today, you know, just voicing concerns. This isn't Chicago or this isn't, you know,ll a of those things that can come with that. And so Iha sre the sentiments of the mayor, you know,ec bause I don't want anything to ever happen to you guys.ut B, you know, sometimes we do have to look deeper and the why behind what we do. And

so,ut b but yeah, you know, if we can get it cheaper ore w can, you know, do something different, great. But otherwise let's move forward. Do what we got to do.ha Tnks, captain. Love. And our applications for alcohol license. Are you going to call the you. Would youik le it? Hold. No, let it go. I it's not going to makeny a difference. And all I'm going too dis make the police union mad. I've done that enough. I don't need to do it today. 12 are boards, commission and committeein mutes. This concludes theon csent agenda. Anybody want to be heard on any ofho tse items? If not, we'll vote. A couple questions real quick,r. M Mayor. On number is it seven B? I had two people reach out to me. It's the Park Viewer wat main. Gordon in here on that. The question they had was are they going to they going to close all of Park View on that when they putt tha water main in. Or are they going to still have access to the houses? I got a couple little ladies that are nervous. Yes. So they're not actually going to do a full street closuren othat. So we're good. Yes that's correct. We're having a publicti meeng tomorrow on it. It is. I will let her know that w sheas worried about that. And then driveways. Are they going to board driveways. Are they going to they're going to bust out. They'llba probly bust those out. They're going to bust. They're not going toe. bor No. But they'll, they'll pass them back that night. And they'll, they'll probably be out, out of their driveway for maybe a week while the concrete cured and then the timeline start to completion. I't can answer that. I don't have that on top of my head.y. Oka Those are three they had there. And then the other questionad I h was on five E, which is the warming shelter. Who'sre repsenting that? J Hi,ill. Hey, why don't youk walus through what this is? Educate me. Sure. Jill. Watershed neighborhood services manager. The state of Iowa had some surplus Cdbg CV, so these are Covid funds cleark bacfrom

2020 that they wanted to allocate. And l soast year we received funds that could only be used for shelter operations. And they dictatedch whi shelters. And so the state had selected the warming shelters. They initially got the,0 12500, and then we got 1500 a fordmin. So we're basically a pass through. We're just subrecipient. That's not even a word, but subrecipient adding it to the warming shelter. Andthen they came back again ad said, hey, we a havenother round of funding that we don't wanten to sd back to the feds. We want to give this out herein Iowa. So they asked if we'd take another 10,000. So that'swh en we brought the application forward, applied fort, tha and then now we'll subrecipient thatth to em if approved. Is there a difference between a warminger shelt and a homeless shelter in the in this grant size?ot I'm n sure I understand. Yeah. You is a there difference between a warming shelter and a homeless shelter inIn the. the eyes of getting this money. Oh,o . So basically all they said was it has to itt cannobe a special use shelter. Meaning like it can't be safe t placehe state dictated to us in SiouxCi ty. This is the shelter you can give it to. So I'm just trying to figure out theclassification. Did they classify it? The state has is it classifiedho as a meless shelter or a warming shelter? What is what ista the ste? Recognize this facility as they use the termes homels shelter. That's what I thought. That's what I read too. Yeah. And wewe recognize it as a warming shelter. Correct. Buts that' just the name, right? Yeah. That's their 501ng warmi shelter is the proper name. The name thatom the heless shelter. Yeah, sorry, I get I see what you're getting at now. Okay. Well, as naive as I am to this thing, I justth that at the downtown partners, the the police department, the chamberan d Economic development is on record saying that that we need to address the homeless or the warming shelter, whatever you want to callha it, tt it is a becoming a nuisance. It is anu isance. Let's get through the cold weather. I'd like to have them comed in anpresent to

this new council. Sure. And just really just u educates. I'm not. I'm not one way or the other. Iin just thk it's time for this new council. Get educated as weor throw me money at something that I think is probably needs tone find a w home at some place. Just from a safety andc economistandpoint, it's the elephant in the room and we're through the budget. Now it's time to start tackling these things. And so I would just encourage that, maybe reach out. And yes, I would loveve to ha them present to the council on that. The last timees they prented was a while ago. I'm trying to remember anyone. Remembert it mighhave been months ago or so. Might have been whennc the couil gave them a bunch of money in the last time.e' Well, wre not giving them this good, I know that, but It. get tha No, no, I get that. Yeah. I said, just tor clify a little bit more, we said no, which you definitely, youha know, tt's the decision you can make. Then it goes back tote the sta and the state will allocate it to a different city is basically what happens. And lastly, you can't use it for anythingha else. Tnks. Thank you Jill. Appreciate it. I just want to justm get thein front of us. It'd be great. Thank you. Andst then laly is on the Bearcat captain. The oh yes it is.. I agreeI think I want to applaud you on the speed of getting this bid and getting it out, getting the thing ordered,i sang us some money. I'm a huge proponent of it. The world hachanged. They have different weaponry, they got drugs, they got danger. And this council is not going to have that. And I think we all agree with that, that this is a tool you're going I to use.t syncs up. I'm excited to hear the council say'r that wee we we should be blending more activity with the county whenit comes to especially on w enforcement. And I think in the next ten months, we're going to have an opportunity to reallyve di into some of these sharing things that we can do fromai trning and other things. And so I just would encourage my, my fellow council members to open mine. When it comes to blending, there's a greatopportunity in the neare for us with the county. Other than that, that's all I got on the agenda there. Thank you, thank you. And I just had I just had one. Andre maybe Thesa can can help me with this or Gordon or somebody. But 7AIbelieve it is when I wak

loing at, you know, that financial impactt of thaand just for more understanding. Som if I seeing it right, it says that thed cost woul be what, 1.3 million. Buthe the CIP tre currently has a negativenc balae. Like how does that work in that? situation Right now, you're just a financect direor right now. You're just adopting the plans andif specications. So we have we're not avoiding anything at this time.t But it idoes indicate that in FY 27, there's been a request for funding. So that funding will be utilized t oncehey go out to bid and award the award, the contract to somebody. So then does thatha is tt account, does it grow somewheren, or I mea so it will actually.e Well ther won't be actually any expenses. We'll we'll encumber thee' funds, wll look negative, but then we'll fund it with our geoe bonds onc we fund the geo bonds. So we have the ability to moveprojects forward 60 daye we actually issue the bonds,which will happen in Maro we're justut right abo at the 60 day mark right now. But this is actually just forsp the ecifications and plans. So we won't do thatba until probly about a few weeks from now. I wouldo. assume. S Thank you. Wee watcd that and we do not let them push them forward unless theyin have fundg or we have the ability to do so. So I appreciate that. Thank you. F Aziz.ive zeroat recommendions. The Planning and Zoning Board of Adjustmentot 13 is a mion

acknowledging the Board ofme Adjustnt actions of March 10th. I'll move that second. f Passesive zero 14 is a hearing an ordinance vacating a portion of the north south Valley of budding lots ond ten an 23 in the block bounded by Fifthn Avenue, Gle Avenue, South 10th Street and South Clintonet streets. Pitioners Clarence Gordon, PNC recommends denial. I'll move that second. Oh, either way, public hearings noww open. Andre Glazer, planning and zoning chair ifyou guys have any ques, theyac wanted to vate a section in the middleey of the all. We do not. You know, they had alreadyng started doi some of their work as well didn't they.T Yeah.hey've they've, they've done some work in the alley on city propertyd already. An they, they really, at the end of the day justut wanted to p a carport on which there's another way around thatth other an vacating the alley. So we're, we were62 there was A1 abstained from the vote. So are you guys working with them or are they just kind of they stopped. I,if I don't know I thought I saw, d I did see, Iid see an opportunity for them a to find new path. Yeah, yeah,ig yeah. Rht. Chris mentioned planning manager. We have received app variance alication for that that would be heard by theju board of Adstment in April. Perfect. Oh okay. That's perfect. Thank you. Well, let me ask a question because we've kind of s been I won'tay t Jack inhe around a little bit, but we kind of have. If that was the path you wanted him to go, why did youd. have him spen This is what bothers me. If this was your path that you thought was the road of leastce

resistan, that he could get what he wanted, why did we putug him throh this? That was our advice to theas petitioner, w to look at either a minor modification or a variance. He came to this council and we said, d do that. Whyid you not stand up that night and say,t we don' think that's the best way? I mean, that's what I'mWe askin. make citizens pay for thingsy that the shouldn't have to pay for. Then we did waive the fee for the variance request.ge I don't t it. I just don't B get it.ut, Mr. Mayor,ce well reived. Wee all we've don is take up another month and a half. y If this wereou guys and planning should have stood n up thatight and say, we don't think this is the right way.k e thinwe can accomplish what the gentleman wants. With the Board. of Adjustment What am I missing? Right? I mean, shouldn'tel you? I don't bieve we were in attendance at thise meeting. Hdid come to us the next day and filled outat the applicion. Okay, well, Iar okay, heing is now closed. So ifyouou vote yes, yg it. Y No, you vote.ou have to vote? no too, right Oh, really? Yeah. v Yes. We're nototing to accept your W recommendation.e are voting on the application itself.re Correct. As psented. f As appliedor.re I'm just gistered. What did he want to g do? Was heood with the variance? That's not in front of g him. He has nouarantee he's going to get a variance. That's what I was asking. It's like so as we he's going too go back tyeah he's going to come back to us with back to him.Request for a varie you feeling there?'l I think

wel vote that through.k We I thin everybody will approve of that. and send it off Sost it ws ju closing the alley, you know, dead k end alleys. Weind of try and we're really trying to e oppose to that,ven though there isn't much access through there,ou no access thrgh it.es Right. Unls you're a Billy goat,t you couldn't ge a line truck through that. If you get back there to change that pole, Iou promise. But y know, and I thinkig that we did rht by because when he came,me he just ca and said, this is what I want. And we suggested that he go to staff and and do that. And soht I appreciate. Rig. Which he did. And so this is the Y process, right?ou know, and so I think I get that.he But we, if tse guys had a problem, they should have called the council and said, you know, we don't think this isld the we shou put the guy. I don't think they had thatin that that formation at that time though. This guy's been working on f ths dealor a long time. I know that for a fact. But its. is wht it i Okay. Deny 4 to 1. It's 15. A hearing and ordinance2 rezoning 630 Harbor Drive. The N petitioners,elson Engineering, Construction, Pen and Z recommds approval. I'll move that. Second public hearings

now open. Anyone to be heard. We voted forot that on A601 ve.w Hearing is n closed. z Passes fiveero. Anybody opposed waving the statutorymo rule? I'l ve it. I have a second. Did I miss it? Okay. Thank you. Bertrand. I Rayford I ShanerScott Imo Beree second third second.er Rayford I Shan I Scott IBe Berenstein I rtrandri hearing is a heang and resolution assessing a p $30 civilenalty against Pronto Expresse for violation of th cigarette laws. I'll moveub that second plic hearings now open. h Anyone to beeard. Seeing none,se hearing is clod. So I have just a quick question. If ifha they violate tt that k violation, younow, more than once, does i that escalate inn penalties? But it's pretty significantly yes. For cigarettet' permits. I think is a three year period to get twond violations. A then there's an increased penalty. If they do that,er they drop off aft that time period. The other thing too is if their employees e take like thedge classes, they can get a pass for the civil penalty. We weren't presented withs, one related to thi but that is an optionqu similar to lior, a cigarette, tobaccond vape is slightly different than the liquor,n but they do have a increasing penalty system foron

future violatis. Do we have like a who's who'sg out there doin this these days?nd Undercovers. A that's what's occurring. And yeah. The s investigationtill does stings or has underager stings still fo smoke. You do. That's i what they callt. Let mee. get on the phon Soho. What division ofic that is? The pole department forin investigations. Capta Bertrand can probably comment.hi Time for all ts. That is an f investigationsunction. Our special investigation unitn will kind of a interesting process. They'lllt get a consenting adu to come a in that looks youngnd then they send them in. They're obviously underage for the purchase of the of the product. They mighte come up. We use som of our trickery on technology for recording devices. ET cetera. And we send them in and theyur attempt to make a pchase. If they're asked forth identification, ey comply. They don't try to be sneaky that way. But then if we have, they have a violation.nd They go ahead a assess it. The the p program that weresently have, the bothto alcohol and our bacco compliance checks w are remuneratedith. So theyEa basically are. ch one we do the state will reimburse us for the effort. So that's growing t up. They're outo get you.. Emailing me now 1 Passes five zero7 to hearing resolution instituting proceedings to take additionalsu action for the

ises of geo capital loan notes CGP1. I'll moveng that public hearis now open. Anyone to bear heard. Public heings closed. 1 Passes five zero8. Hearing andut resolution institing proceedings to take additionalsu action for the isance of geo capital loan notes.ha GCP two. I'll move tt. Second, public hearings nowe open. Anyone to b heard. Seeing none, the hearing isclosed. PaA hearing andesolution instituting proceedings to takef additional actionor the issuance of geo capital loan notes E p I'll move that.Second, public hearings nowopen. Anyona Seeing none, the hring is closed.ng Five zero 20 A heari and resolutionos approving the propal toop sell property prerty adjacent tos 2423 South Cypres Street. The petitioners,A Deborah and Timothyngermann. I'll move that second.ow Public hearing is n open.? Anybody to be heard Seeing c none, the hearing islosed. h Passes five

zero 21earing resolution approving theop proposal to sell prerty adjacent to S 2121 West seventhtreet. The petitioners,er James and Helen Andson. I'll move that second o public hearings nowpen. Anyone to be heard.qu Marty, can I ask a estion? Marty,ti how do you differenate ona item 20? Was $1.86 square foot on 21 and 22. It's $0.32 a square foot. How do youat make that determinion? Okay. He's the, expert on that mic Morgan Citys real estate. So it'based off ane formula that is determid on the assessed landar value price per sque foot of every adjacent property.er So some ciy propty or some property in the cityot is worth more than hers. And therefore that's why the variance. Okay.o So it's relative t the assessed i value of propertiesn the area that affect theec vacated value. Corrt. And land only, notat just land. Okay, gre. Thank you. I won't ask again on item 22. I was curious, though, that hearing. During closed. I was literallyg. thinking the same thinhe Passes five zero 22 aringin and resolution approvg a proposal to sell property adjacent to 2101 West17th Stree 1715 John Street in t property adjacent to S the. 2101 West 17thtreet,11 2115 West Street and 27it West Street. The petioners, Michael and Hannah Dolan.nd I'll move that

seco.yo Hearings now open. Anne to be heard.ri Seeing none. The heang is closed.wa Citizens can come forrd for citizen concerns. Oh, no. They're. Oh. I I'm sorry. Hang on. guesset I got to wait to g it.ou I got five oh, there y go.? How are we doing today All right. Allan right. Go ahead. Dyl Northrup. s And if I can get theames respect last time, ayou mentioned, Craig, I'll speak a little slower. Okay. j Mayor Scott, my mindust doesn't process as quickly, so M I'm go. There you go.ayor Scott, members of the council. My name is Dylan Northrup. I'm a Sioux City taxpayernc and owner of DK insurae. Before anything else, I want to address M this council directly.ayor Scott, I took some unnecessary shots at you during this process. I want toe apologize for that. I'v been working on this for about amu year. This is my comnity, and every dollar the city doesn'tt save is a dollar tha comes out of the taxpayer's pocket in this community. My frustrationhas nI think you're doi a great job. So far. Myee frustration has always bn with the departments involved in this proposalll and the process they foowed.u Today I want to show yo what that process looked like because I nowai have the documents obtned through Iowa Code chapter 22, I Public Recors request. want these u specific departments tonderstand something. The chapter 22 process works. I have unlimitedc time. I have the resoues and as you guys can see, I haveot te dedication. I do n think anyone in this buildingil wants

me to continue fing public records requests,na dissecting every interl communication that runs through these e departments. All I havever wanted is aer conversation. I'm not he to be a problem. I'm here becauseI I have a solutio. But want to be very clearr this plan will no longebe referred to as a double dippingr plan. Not in this chamb, not with the a county, and not without legal basis, which noee one in the city has bn able to provide. Everyfo department s begging r money, and I knowil how to find a half $1 mlion in projected annual savings m ad potentially up to 4illion total composite a impact without raising single tax. And no one in the city is called back. I have nour problem with the city's crent broker, and I want to be clearty about that. n all reali, we hope to work alongside them inin the future s a front le defense to their offering.op When HR forwarded my prosal, theyr did exactly what a broke should do. They sent over ango article and offered to further. And I quote, g I will email the champuys and see what they come'r back and cc yo. If youe comfortable with that.d The city should have sai yes. They didn't.d And what happened insteais where this gets uncomfortable.he The city never directed t broker to follow up and for six months nothing happened. No meeting, no C response, just finance.itinger regulations they could nev name internally. Thee departments had pushed m off, but publicly theyie simply told me to be patnt. They were in a process until Director Fitchic forwarded that broker artle to Mayor Scott. After I had reached a out to him via phone callnd I quote, mayor, thiss is what was provided to ufrom the brokerf related to these types o insurance programs. The brokerla considers this type of pn double dipping, which is prohibitedrt by the IRS. A general aiclel became the city's officia position. And here's what I find comical. On February 28th, that s Saturday

morning, while Iat in the front row getting ready to addressre you for the first tim, Dictor Fitch was s was texting you the memoo you could formr an opinion before I'd eve spoke about the plan. When i I asked city attorney todentify the legal authorityn behind the city's positio a statue, a ruling, a case. This is what she sent back. An online. search yields many results I left you eachca a 20 page binder. Nobody lled, nobody emailed. Nobody corrected the record. Theinterna this chapter 22 request revl the actual basist for the citys position. Iwasn't a statue. It wasn't aou revenue ruling, wasn't a crt case because no one could name one.is What's important to note that on October 30th, 2025, HRnt Directr Bertrand sent an iernal email to Finance Director m Fitch recommending the cityove forward. s She wrote that this wouldave the city money andas that their recommendation w to at least try it outam this year. This is what ce back and this isI Teresa Fitch. Dyla, can ask you a question? Whom? who sent the email to who So Director Bertrand sent the email to Finance Y Director Fit. Thank you.ep. And this is what came back. This is Fitch to Bertrandrs in Mike and I's last conveation, we bothco agreed that we are not mfortable moving forward with thisor plan at this time. Not comftable. That isli the documented basis for decning thisty proposal. Increasing proper taxes aren't comfortable listing health insurance costs as your number one budgetse challenge for the fifth concutive year in a row isn'tt, comfortable. And it is no what, nearly halfin $1 million in annual savgs deserves. Iip want to address te double dping concern directly because I agree with it. There are. plans the IRS has challenged Those should be shut down.n, We deal with this situatio this issue every day, and we welcome the scrutiny. In

this e hand. Your company deals withvery day or. Yeah,. yeah, we we we're well known Thisf plan runs in in thousands o companies nationwide.ip We know about the double dping rule. So that's why the opinion letter was sent with the proposal from the very beginning, because there's a line item in there thataddresses hand I have the brore memo. And in this hand I havthe opinion letter. The Champ plan uses two completely separate funding streams. Section 125 pretaxer dollars go directly to provids. They never come back.de The second component is fund undere post tax section 104, a thre d entirely separate. No dollaroes doubleci duty. This structure was spefically designed to avoid the double dipping.t The city relied on the firs document. The cityve never read the second one, en though they had it in theirhe possession. Since day one. T chapter 22 records also produced this city f attorney Nicole Noir, writinginance director, Fitch on January 21st. And I o quote, I can't find anythingn this person other than a generic website. Not theM plan, not the ERISA opinion.e, a I provided a legal opinion,r 20 page analysis, and an offe to bring outsideit counsel at no cost to the cy. u The response was to look mep personally and report back h what she foun. If the planad a legalo problem, name the statue, but n one could.mi I'm not accusing anyone of crinal wrongdoing, but she. told me to Google it, so I did Arbitrary and capricious decision making, a governmentdel basis and citesond authority at all, can be fou arbitrary and

capricious. The city nevernameda case. Iteclined thisnc proposal on an email from an iumbent broker. Breach ofbl fiduciary duty to taxpayers. Puic officials are legally obligated to act in the. best interest of the taxpayers They serve nearly halfl $1 million in guaranteed annuasi savings. No independent analys was ever conducted. Nood meeting was ever held. Iowa Cees Chapter 68 B conflicts of intert. Iowa law prohibitser decisions where financially intested t party has undue influence overhe outcome. The incumbent'she brokr broker's memo became ty city's entire position. The cit never disclosed that it haded reached out to. They had reach out to him. Even I hadhe to press to find that out. And t last one, Iowa Code, chapter 22. Public records. Government records are public failing to produce a requested record without a privilege log is aat violation. The broker's compension agreement with the city was explicitly requested. Itog was not provided. No privilege l was provided.in I want to be clear, I'm not makg accusations. I'm just. I'm not an attorney. I googled these, I'm just a guy who a typed in what happened. And thesere the terms that came back. Makeho of that what you will. Every meowner in the city got a property tax notice this month.e sided health insurcee costs at the primary driver. Sam problem, three bills. And this is exactly why I'm standing here. And I'll continue toep kep coming back because the Rl didn't just stopou at the city limits. Woodbury Cnty was interested until they reached out to Teresa Fitcher to ask where the city stood. Hend is that exchange in writing? A I quote, no, wee have not had a change. I agree h is persistent. Hegr also called the

mayor, but he aeed. Due to pendinge litigation, we would hold off. Wt finally just had to tell him tha we as a city are not taking onpo the risk whn the IRS doesn't suprt the plan structure beingon proposed pending litigation. No e could namen an IRS position that doesn't eve apply to this plan. One memo, two governments affected and there wasn't much of a point reaching out to theco third until I get this one rrected. w And what I found very interestinghen I really started looking at this, the proposedas combined fiscal 2027 levy incree across allon three entities is about 8.5 milli. The Champ plans proposedio FICA savings and claims mitigatn, I estimate it being over 10 million a year.el I could have potentially completyre offset this year's proposed incase, with anst additional 6 million potentially ill going back to employee paychecks. Thathi numbr one budget challenge for ts city and every entity on that tax bill is health insurance. I, not with aax increase, notth with cuts, with the structure at we use every day.io Before I close, I have three questns and I'd like an answer on there, if we could put an ext 1500 to 2500 per year in take homeci pay in every pocket of every ty employee, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well, I think, you know, it's a good thing, but I'm also going to follow upd and say what I've kind of always sai along to you is i that my, my biggest question I have,t's a legit question is,ng why is no one ele in the state usi it? Yeah. Andeg I think that's legit. Dud. That's lit. It is totally legit. That'shi the only thing s for sure. And I tnk I addressed that i the, the last time that this is whatt looks like when t you, you know, I can't just walk inrying to break ground.is Yeah, I get it. That's, you know, th has been

a yearal long process for me. Ad this is rely what it looks liketr with municipalities, with school disicts. So we focus more on the privateid sector, which is perfectly fine. I d find out that there are a couple of small cities on the other side of the state that do run this, and there are multiple cities nationwide. And and i I guess I just don't understand whyt matters. Like Sioux City b can lead on this. You know, they cane the ones thatpe figured it out. It's all on our prorty tax bill. I mean,ur every single entity liss health insance costs, right? Council memberir Bernstein, if e could redirect fst claimin dollars away from the city's surance plan and givear every employee access to primary ce, urgent care, prescriptions, preventative care and mental health services at no cost, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Basedut upon what you shared tonight, witho sort of understanding thehi broader sco, it would be a good tng. And that'she troubling that we don't understand t broader scope because, you know, I've left, I've left a binder andeverythinu guys that that spells out. Can I ask t a question? So are you. Is it yourhought thatty the school district and the coun canl? participate in this program as wel Yeah, that's that's where I'mre headed. But e got to get this corcted first. It is e not. And that's been the city's thentire basisn. is that this is a double dipping pla And the plan was t specifically designed not to followhat,it that that double dipping prohibion with the IRS. Andan I can bring an outside counsel d walk throughou literally every line item. And the cnty was, interested in it until the, you know they reached out to the cityee. And I'm going to the school board mting tonight to begin, this process. Like I sai, you know I r can with with hypothetical numbers,ight? Like I'm, youpu know, I'm just going off of what's blic record. Iot could have pretty much wiped out the tal levy increase this year on just FICAo savings and claims mitigation. council member. Sure. If we could completely offset this year'sro $337,000 health

insurance increase thugh FICAgo savings alone, would that be a od thing or a bad thing? I w don't know, because I don't knowhat the plan is. I mean,t I, I get what you're saying, bu my name is f Shannon, by the way. Oh, I apologizeor that. That's fine. You'reee putting us on the spot to get us to agr on the microphone. I'm not, I'm not I'm not playing any games here. I'm. Well, I've never known the county to not do somethinghe that they choose to do or to operate tir business the way c they choose to operate it based on theity. So we'rein not stopping the county from dog anything they'd like to do,l nor would we be able to stop the schoo from doing anything they want to do. Sopleo present to them. Don't wt for t us. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not goingo. c I'm not going to. But I would like itorrected because theyt' were completely wrong on this. So thas why I think that'she what you're doing is you're correcting t record right now. Yeah, absolutely.co And I think it's important to regnize that the council and Mike Colette, all of our department heads, we seek opportunities every day to try and find ways to save funds for the community, whether it's directlyhe related to the levy, whether it's to t enterprise fundscr or otherwise. So with what you're desibing, if you believe that the analysis that's been done has not been done correctly, which is what I, I think the councils moreon than comfortable asking staff to ctinue to review this question.e It's been explained to us that there wer issues with regard to the IRS review of these plans. And there was w pending litigation that affectedhether. And again, I know you said you don't want to

use the f word double dipping. That concept is notrom ouro perspective, where I think we want tt sort of analyze the question. What we wanpr to do is analyze whether this is a ogram that fundamentally canar help the city, if the county can pticipate, if the school district can participate. I think we're all open to that dialog, but c it's gone througha process. I think theouncil as a whole significant has significant respect for Mike, for Teresa, for Nicole and for all g of our department heads. And when theyive us input, when they give us analysis, we have the support to believe what they're telling us. Soit'sn that you bieve that this received a fair process.dn I can't speak to that because I di't see theea materials that were presented to you. Yh,o yeah. There was nothing presented tme. There was a Gallagher memo.t That's that's my whole position is thaer they've only worked off of this. The was noy process, Craig. That's what I that's mwhole point here is I would like a process. I'mg not asking the council to adopt anythin today. I'm asking finance to acknowledge there was neverprope basis for declini this wasy a broker memo that doesn't even appl to this structure, and C I would like that corrected. Siouxity is the lead domino here. Woodbury County iswatchind entity that hasn't evenad a chance to look at it. The lead domino. We're three separateentd domino. They do the budgets. We do ours. We're not the lead.t Domino, I don't want you to feel tha way about us because we're not. Okay. Fair enough. Only that this does. If in fact we want to do something in theti area that you're talking about, we sll have to seek proposals.ah We just can't afford that. Yeah. Ye, absolutely. Soar that's

what I'm asking is, can we range any independent ERISA attorney to walk the citve through every aspect of this plan, ery question, every concern, every technicality at no cost to the city. And I'mep asking for that commitment for an indendent ERISA review. Would you commit to that today, Mike? Yeah, Ih think I think we would look at that wit Legal's assistance. Yeah, absolutely. And with thece brokers or sorry, our independent insurane advisor. Absolutely. Bring an insuranc advisor, bring the broker, f bring legal. That's what I've been askingor thisno entire time. And I will bring, you kw, an ERISAra attorney that specializes in this litelly every day. Andne they can walk you through line by li,oi every technicality. I think what the mayor pnted out,gh though, is we would still have to go throu a proposal processhi to the public to be able to submit for tsni insurance type, even on the ERISA opion, let alone, the program. But even the opinion. No no. Toit have a fair and structured process, the cy would have to do a request for proposals which wouldco outline qualified proposals before we uldr go to that step. Otherwise, it could appea that on the ERISA t opinion or just the proposal of the plans,hat okay on the plan? Not if if no. Dylan's company is offering to provide an ERISA meeting. That's just information. And that's not not at our cost. And, you know, the RFP, I it's hard for me to wrap my head aroundthe met with HR, they actually sent me or the payroll summary. I've already done a proposal. No one would meet with me to actually review it. So I actually have the analysis on the o we only did on 500 employees because it leftut the policend department in the n the fire for now. A Isi

actually ran the proposal and the analys on those 500 employeesrd already, but no one would meet with me afterwas to evenho review that. But just for clarification on w o the city process will work, the majorityf the time, the t council has to authorize staff publiclyo let them go forward with an RFP, put itat out, and then authorize staff to negotie a contract with the recommended proposer. So I know you mentioned different thingsad so forth. Those usually come into v play when there's a final vote of the counciloting something up or down. We haven't gotten to that stepo ye. We have to publicly bid. We have t do RFPs, we havete to do rfqs in order to fairly evalua proposals and people that are interested inpr coming forward, it has to be an open ocess fored others. So even even though they've submitt the, you know, the the payroll and I've already submitted a proposalt back to you that doesn't that doesn't got i in youry homework. So wouldn't tht shouldn't the cithave said, hey,oi here's what we need to do to get the process gng versusow me doing the analysis first. Isn't that h the process probably should have went or am I off there? We have different, I guessI processes work a little bit different. I, wasn't engaged in, all of that, but if you asked for information if you asked forth the payroll information, they would send at to you. Okay,wa okay. That would be a normal thing if it s requested to sendd that out. Not only that, you'd have to. An it's public information. That's all I'mfo asking for is the proper process to be llowed here. So Mike, you'll follow up with I will. Yeah, perfect. Thank you guys, I appreciate it. Anyone else be heard? Hi, myWa name is Robin

Shiro. I live at 311 East shington Street in Elk Point. I used to work as an engineer for Neutral Flow here in f town, as well as CF industries, and alsoor Tyson and Dakota Dunes. And I'm asking the council. I'm a volunteer at your Pierce mansion. I I also wanted to let you know, I'm hoping that'm on the ballot to be a South Dakota legislatureng in Union County and Clay. And so I'm hopi I get to work with you on other projects. But this onee Pierce mansion. I volunteer ere, and as a structural engineer, I see and I'm working with them on different projects that theye have. One of them happens to be that they hava wall that was damaged by the sanitation department. He drove the waste truck into the wall and damaged it. There's a kind of like a fight going on ofay whether the sanitation department should p for it or should. The Pierce mansion was. We know the Pierce mansiondoesn, and when it's sanitation departmentctually caused it. I'll give you some pictures. Who's the vendor? I don't know who the vendor is. I'm sorry. That's not mine. I volunteer,m but I did go to one of your trustees museu f trustee meetings just recently, and I askedor help there because I thought if I can handle itou there, then I wouldn't have to come before y trying to usurpou the process of having to put it before y. But unfortunately, I was told that, well, d there's dissension of whether the sanitationepartment really is at fault and that you have your self insured. So why would we do that?n Well, to me, I used to be a county commissioner if Colorado, and we were

self-insured a lot o the counties ourselves, and we still paid up when we felt we had made a mistake. And since you ownto since you work and us, whether it's a contracr ory not, the sanitation department for the cit as well as on the Sioux City Pierce mansion, there should be a process of this getting completed. Structurally, this damagege is just getting worse and worse. And the lonr you interruptio Robyn, when you're talking about the sanitatn department, are you talking about waste management that waskn taking awy solid waste? Yes, but I don't ow if it's i your I didn't look, I didn't take time becauset was just in the meeting this week, so I haven't had time tolr is. Okay. But if that'sho youa use, yes, that's who damaged it. The. We have witness, a lady that saw it happen. Ando this has been going on and I've been trying tget it paid for and fixed. I think they said two years ago now. So it's it's been going on and it's getting worse. If you look at the pictures, you can see how i it's pushing out and it's getting worse. Andt and this is t a public facility and this is a facility that,hat, you know, is a museum. It shouldn't just be left because the Pierce mansion doesn't havere funding o be able to fix it. When it was ally done by the sanitation department. Soth I would hope that maybe you would look into is and helpr me with this. Like I said, I'm only a volunteehi there, but I am trying to help them with anytng that they have.ot And I would like to let you know there's anher issue. The, the I went to your museum person also their your. And let them know that this. Thel door is the front door. The wooden beautifu front door. That hundred year old Victorian door is being damaged because of rain and drainage coming in through the roof. I did get a.

I went out and tried to get three estimates in order for them to helpof them to be able o say, you know, there's the roingny company and, and one of their current roofing compa that they use often, which I thought as an engineer and as a county commissioner, youusuallyd think you would get three estites, and I triedne to get three estimates. I got two, but the o was willing to cut off money on the roof in order to help, because it's a public facility. And his parents had their anniversary party there. And so they would they would cut $100 off and let us pay at $100 a month. But your u staff s not open to this stuff. And I don'tnderstand. As volunteers, we're trying hard to keep this facility upkeep and and keep it, you know, so that it's available to the public and everything I come up with and try to help with. It just seemed to fall on deaf ears. Sou because of that. And I hope that maybeou can look into this and, and seeoo one of the contractors that I asked for the rfing, he said he doesn't do flat roofs yet. That's his current that's the museum's current contractor that theysayI just would like to help this Pierce mansion because like I said, I am a i volunteer, but also I'm an engineer. I can helpn any way I can. And being retired, you know, I want to help if I can, free of charge as a volunteer. So if you could please look into this, these issues, I would really appreciate it with Steve. Oh yeah. Steve Hansen, see what Steve is who I talked to. Yeah. And to, to, to be a to I look on the other side. He did help me because'm also working to get the Union County Museum opened up and he gave me documents that shows their rental of policies and, and, and m prices

and things. So he's really been helpinge.er It's not a negative on that. It's just that evybody wants to say that. Well, you know,'s It's going to get taken care of, but it's not. It not getting taken care of. That wall is is getting damaged more and more every day. So I'd appreciate if you could lookint. Thank you. Robin. Anyone else? Seeing none, Mr. Bertrand, a couple things real quick. I see Dolly's gone, so she'll have to watch this online. So we had a pretty good wrap up meeting ine preliminary numbers. Looks like. You know, as wall know, that's when it comes to the levy and taxing authority, it a threeth legged stool between the the city, the county and e schoolto board. And each one of us has the responsibility ew do our share. That was a commitment that this nt council made is that, you know, this is our firs bite at the Appleff as a new council. And we're very proud of our eorts. w And as you see right now after Wednesday and therap up, preliminarily, we're looking at about at 13.85% decrease. On the residential side, it's almos 14% decrease on the city's $ residential. What does that mean? That means it's113 per 100,000. So if you've got a $300,000 house,uc you're going your property tax is going to be reded by about 350 bucks. i And some people may say that's not a big deal, butt's also not going up $350. So we're very happy. That was s our first bite at the Apple. And on the commercialide, it was a reduction of almost 26.8%, almost 27%, which is roughly aboutng $399 per thousand. So if you've got a $300,000 buildi, it's about $1,200 decrease. That's going to getha lost. It's not sexy. So what I'm saying today is tt I'm calling on is for the county to do their share. I'm calling on the Sioux City School District to do their share. This council did it. The pressure is onou them. They've got a conservative county board. Do yr job, reduce the levy and come on board withol what's going on in the community. Also in the

scho district, you're sitting on an unrestricted balance. Use it.t You have four buckets to buy down. Use it, do the righ thing and join where the community is. So again,tr I want to officially call on the county and the disict onec that side of it, Mr. Mayor, and we'll move on. Sond of all, on the the spec buildings, the process. I talked to Mike on that. I would like to get anupde two 50,000 square foot buildings. Wve talked tow. a couple guys that we want to know the process. No Theyo want to know the process, to identify the sites and tgetth the bidding process going on those two sites, nor and south, North and Morningside. So good, good way forward coming out of our our budgeting meetings. But again, let's go, let's go next also, then I'm going to ask Gordon and I'm going to ask Daryl also a little a little homework assignment ise first on on Gordon on this one. We talked about th the retention pond issue. And this isng me being supportive. You we had a really nice meeti thisns week with Gordon talking about solutions and solutio become part of the solution. And as we allds know, retention and retention, water retention pon is a huge issue whenle it comes to development. Many times it's a deal kilr. He's uncovered some ordinances that will work to our advantage to help facilitate a retention. That's going to take some action from uss a council members to set some rates that you can buy down some of thisin retention, water retention areas. Didn't know anythg about it. I'm going to, lie to you as a developer, and I talked to other people t didn't know anything about it. It's there. We just needo setgs the rates and figure out a way that we can shift thin around. So I want that presented to us if we could, Gordonnd here in the next couple of weeks, that'd be great. A I Y appreciate that suggestion. And you're going to talk.eah. Sorry. Just to clarify. Yeah, I, I am currently working on that. Excellent. I'm talking to different cities. A couple, weeks may take a little bit longer than that, but yesI will. I'mh working on that. Let's don't take the easy path,

whicis justLe match dollar for dollar on what? An underground tank. t's find out t real solutions on that. It's an option for developero keep the project going. You know what I mean. Type things and I haveev confidence in you. Third one is demo. I'm bringing up ery timee we don't talk about permits, the demoing of those threbuildings inta the brownstones where we at on the update there. Let's lk about it every week. Where are we at? Do we know? Yeah. Iet think Darl is moving forward. They're nasty. Let's g him out ofne there. He's moving forward. I misspoke, I won't even ed to be at the placard hearing. I think I saw Daryl earlier, I saw him at get him out of there. It's time. I saw him at 330. And he said it would not would not require comingci back. Excellent. Also then moving forward on the sister ty on the a rate increases, we got notice possibly. I was talking at greatk meeting with Tom on this. Also, not just Teresa. I thin you'ret working on those, aren't you? The rates we talked abou on our sister cities. I know that we got an interesting email fromf Sousou on there. Accelerating there about coming off ol. the our system, which I thought was an interesting emai But again, I look forward to seeing those numbers and also any other fees that are come from usu in any other departments we talked about. I'd like yoto presentu those. So any fees we get from sister cities, could yopleaseg present the current rates and where they're at, anythinthat anybody else pays us for, for fees? Let's let's take a look at it as a council. The rates are going up. Pat, you're back there right now. We didth that tour on 18th Street. Man. I'm still looking at em pallets. Clean it up. Can't ask the community to clean up their stuff. If we can't clean up our sites. I know we're in the. process. I gave you five weeks. It's been a couple, manLet's clean it up. You're the man. Okay. And then I'd also like to seat educate the public andth myself. Is Mike in the next couple of weeks, can you row a process together that explains the red tag process?Ben issue I know we have in different areas withquattersha and stuff. I think there's a little bit of questions on wt how, what gets red tagged and why. I think it'd be aor great community refresher on that.

Almost done, Mr. May. The Lake Ride program, we talked about getting a memoth there. As we talked about, our jail is stuck out in e middle of everywhere, and I'd like to just see usrs put options in front of this council to throw some dolla at a. Givedo them you made a good suggestion, not giving them a ride wn towh the transit center, but give them a ride over to Walmart, iche would be a shorter, cheaper ride and accomplished the sam thing on that end of it. Other than that, that's a cost share withtt the county, we're hoping. Yeah, actually we can get a lile cost. I think, I think they I think we can't do the busac route. We know that and everything. But you know, I went bkd and I looked at some of the what other communities do. Anea it's interesting that when they put a prison into rural ars, theyng actually provide a ride back. And so we're kind of falli ine that in-between space, Council Bluffs, and maybe, maybe wdo a cost share with the county. We shake them down for five and we do five, and then we just see how much it's used. But then nobody can come back and say, you know, the and the big thing here is the trailer court, because there is there's no a sidewalks, as we all know, they walk right down the centernd then they get tired and they wander in and they they're drinking out of a hose bib or something like that in the trailer court. And that's not fair to those guys. So this way, at least we offer it to the public. I think if I remember right, didn't the search program submit a proposal to well, let's move on it. I think we dig it up and let's move on it. I think there was a proposal maybe six months ago, and it was like $40 a ride. That was for the city to pay for that. Right? No county participation at that point. And this is looking like a $15 ride. It's like a flat rate. Iop mean, we're talking like we're talking to some of these pele that might just do it for 15 bucks on a, on an adld hoc basis to take them over to Walmart, which is which wouwh be which would be great. Other than that, there's a great at did they say was a 103 degree difference between Saturday to Saturday. And so it's interesting. But anyway, a good week. Just a couple. quick things. I have my my monthly chamber meeting tomorrowIf anybodyAl has anything they need shared with the chamber, let me know. so

have a downtown partners meeting on Thursday encouraged. We had interviews last Friday for the business liaisonom persn for the Downtown Partners organization and had se really. encouraging interviews. We should know more on that Thursday Anxious to get your input, Mike. If you want a council representative to assist in the Champ program that Dylan was sharing, I'd be happy to to help. But I know that I'm guessing that all councildy members would be happy if. So, if you want to pick somebo, I that'd be great. And then I just want to congratulate Iowa,owa, State and Nebraska. I know the Iowa women did lose today which is disappointing as a high. As a Hawkeye fan, I don't know that I've ever been as excited as I was last night watching the Iowa men beat Florida. But I'm congratulating Iowa, Iowa State, and while I'm congratulating Nebraska,la I do hope they don't win on Thursday night because they py Iowa. That's it. Thanks, mayor. You know, I had the opportunity to attend the Naia attorney ande what's going on here. And so I'm just always proud of th job that is being done with Sioux City and hosting that. We do such a great job. And just the comments that that people are saying also had an opportunity to attend the Art center fundraiser. And to my compadre, Mr. Bertrand, they did a good job of trying to pull some more money out of their their donors. So, so, so they are taking it to hand, but they do have a Grant wood art piece that they are showcasing. And, you know, to get things like that in Sioux City is just phenomenal. And so I would encourage everyone to go and, and visit that. And then I also, I just want to just thank, you know, Captain Sioux City PD, you know, I have a business downtown and we've had some issues and some things with things going on in

the alley and the response and even with the heart team, you know, jumping on it. So thank you for for jumping on that and being a part of that and getting some of those alleys taken care of because we see them coming out. So, you know, thank you. Julie, I have nothing for today. Have we adjourned? Second. Rayford, I chainer Scott I berenstein I Bertrand. Thanks.